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Speaker 2: Understanding ADHD is a place of hope for the women

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Speaker 2: listening who are kind of thinking, oh my gosh, this

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Speaker 2: is me. Like I want them first of all to

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Speaker 2: know that like they're fearfully and wonderfully made in the

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Speaker 2: image of God. He knit them together and he has

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Speaker 2: good plans for them, for their brains, for all of it.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Love Life Sober. I'm your host and your coach,

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Speaker 3: Christy Osborne. This podcast is for the woman who loves

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Speaker 3: Jesus or is longing to reconnect with him and who

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Speaker 3: knows deep down that alcohol is no longer serving her.

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Speaker 4: Here we talk honestly with grace.

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Speaker 3: And truth about how stepping away from alcohol opens the

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Speaker 3: door to the love, joy, peace, and connection you've been

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Speaker 3: searching for. Because babe, those things were never meant to

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Speaker 3: be found in a bottle of wine. They're found in Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Through scripture, coaching, and neuroscience, I'll help you make sense

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Speaker 3: of your habits, your nervous system, and what you're really

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Speaker 3: craving so that freedom feels not only possible, but sustainable.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to do this alone, babe. Let's dive in. Hello,

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Speaker 4: my beautiful friend. Welcome back to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I am really excited about today's conversation because we are

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Speaker 3: going to be talking about ADHD and alcohol and why

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Speaker 3: your brain may be reaching for a drink. First of all,

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Speaker 3: I want to say that this episode is not about

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Speaker 3: diagnosing yourself with ADHD.

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Speaker 4: Brittany is not a doctor and I am obviously not

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Speaker 3: And if something you hear today makes you wonder whether

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Speaker 3: ADHD might be part of your story, we absolutely want

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Speaker 3: you to take that curiosity to a qualified professional. But

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Speaker 3: what we are going to do today is talk about

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Speaker 3: patterns because I think there are going to be a

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Speaker 3: lot of women listening who can relate to Brittany's story.

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Speaker 3: We talk all the time here on Love Life Sober

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Speaker 3: about the jobs we give alcohol. Maybe you gave it

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Speaker 3: the day or quieting your brain when your thoughts feel

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Speaker 3: really loud. But maybe you also gave it the job

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Speaker 3: of making boring things more interesting. Maybe you poured a

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Speaker 3: kitchen because somehow it made it easier to get started.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you believe you're more creative with a drink beside you.

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Speaker 3: Maybe alcohol helps you feel focused, motivated, more social, more spontaneous.

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Speaker 3: or just makes life a little more exciting. If any

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Speaker 3: of those sound familiar, I think you're going to find

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Speaker 3: today's conversation really interesting. My guest today is my beautiful friend,

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Speaker 3: Brittany Tonkovich, who originally came to me as a coaching

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Speaker 3: client and has become a friend and an incredible leader

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Speaker 3: in our Love Life Sober community. Brittany was diagnosed with

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Speaker 3: ADHD as a little girl, and she has spent years

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Speaker 3: learning about her brain and discovering how to work with

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Speaker 3: the way she is wired instead of believing there is

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Speaker 3: connection between ADHD, dopamine, and her own relationship with alcohol.

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Speaker 3: We talk about why alcohol can feel like it is

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Speaker 3: helping with motivation or focus, why boredom can be a trigger,

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Speaker 3: the role that risk-taking and novelty played in Brittany's drinking,

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Speaker 3: and this is the part that I really love, what

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Speaker 3: has those same needs. This conversation isn't just about what

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Speaker 3: And ultimately, this conversation comes back to something I believe

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Speaker 3: so deeply, that awareness gives us choices. The more we

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Speaker 3: have to respond differently. Not from shame, not because there

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Speaker 3: is something wrong with us, but from curiosity, wisdom, and

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Speaker 3: of us together. So if you've ever wondered why you

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Speaker 3: things that other people just seem to be able to do,

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Speaker 3: this episode might really connect some dots for you.

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Speaker 4: And before we dive in, I want to announce that the.

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Speaker 3: October 40-Day Fast is now open for signups. I can't

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Speaker 3: believe I'm already saying that. How are we already almost

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Speaker 3: in October? You can find the link to sign up

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Speaker 3: for the October 40 Day Fast in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: We are going to be having four coaching calls a week.

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Speaker 3: When you sign up, you will be sent a invitation

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Speaker 3: the October Fast will open up on September 30th. So

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Speaker 3: if you want any more information, again, that link is

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Speaker 4: Hey, Britt, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right.

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Speaker 3: Brittany is a client-turned-friend-turned-leader in our community. Brittany runs our

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Speaker 3: Fast Basseter space, which in the Love Life Sober community,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So I'm Brittany Tonkovich. I'm living in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: And I'll jump into what's excitingly new.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited for you. And we're going to have

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Speaker 3: our very first Love Life Sober baby shower in May.

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Speaker 3: So if you're in the community.

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Speaker 4: Get excited.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So you came to me for coaching, which was

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Speaker 4: What led to you being kind of stuck with alcohol?

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Speaker 2: For me, it was the gray area drinking like a

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Speaker 2: You know, these spaces didn't really seem that like they

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Speaker 2: It wasn't really disruptive. I thought maybe it was making

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Speaker 2: Like you don't seem to have a drinking problem, but okay.

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Speaker 2: If this is something you need, like let's do it.

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Speaker 2: I was becoming more and more aware of sober spaces

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Speaker 2: on Instagram that people were so curious. And I was like, Ooh,

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Speaker 2: then I also have a lot of Christian content come

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Speaker 2: ended up following your page. Because, you know, of course,

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Speaker 2: I think the secular world has a lot of beautiful

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Speaker 1: But when we stop short of Jesus, it's not enough.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't want to, like, make this big life

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Speaker 4: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.

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Speaker 4: 100%. And what has it been like leading in the community?

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, it takes two seconds to

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Speaker 2: It's just like, I don't know. It's something I never

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Speaker 2: thought God would do with alcohol. You know, when he

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Speaker 1: You're a different person and this isn't lining up. I

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Speaker 2: us there's such a better and richer and more fulfilling

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Speaker 2: me that I get to help women experience that. If

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Speaker 2: you had asked 17-year-old me who first started drinking, do

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Speaker 2: you think you'll be a Christian leading others to sobriety someday?

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Speaker 1: Who is that girl? I don't even want to know her.

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Speaker 3: I would really love to go back and tell my

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Speaker 4: In your face while topping up her wine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we get to do it differently now together,

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Speaker 3: which is so exciting.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I really want to talk about,

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Speaker 3: ADHD and alcohol use. And because you've walked this path,

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Speaker 3: obviously like we have to do the disclaimer, you're not

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Speaker 3: a doctor, you're not a medical professional, but you've walked it, right?

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Speaker 3: that this might have.

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Speaker 4: Not actually gone away. So you went back to the doctor.

444
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Speaker 4: They're like, you're right.

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Speaker 3: At 23. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yep. And my mom and I found a book called

447
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Speaker 2: Driven to Distraction by a guy named Edward Hallowell.

448
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Speaker 1: But he is one of my favorite ADHD resources out there.

449
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Speaker 2: Actually ended up working at a school where he was

450
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Speaker 2: leading summer camps for ADHD.

451
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Speaker 1: How funny. So total coincidence.

452
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Speaker 2: But this book, Driven to Distraction, really talked about, like,

453
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Speaker 2: why ADHD?

454
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Speaker 1: What it is?

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Speaker 2: And so I learned that it's, you know, it's not

456
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Speaker 2: really necessarily a... We say disorder, but... disorder to us

457
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Speaker 2: can sound like a really negative thing it just means

458
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Speaker 2: it's like a different pattern you know and so and

459
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Speaker 2: that's how he really frames it he's he just framed

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Speaker 2: adhd so positively to me that it was like oh

461
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Speaker 2: this is actually this is something i need to get

462
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Speaker 2: rid of or like hide this is something i need

463
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Speaker 2: to harness and it can be a pretty amazing thing

464
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, ADHD affects attention, focus, motivation, impulses,

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Speaker 2: you know, behavior, stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: That's because people with ADHD.

467
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Speaker 2: Have, there's a lot going on in the brain, but

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about dopamine today. So I won't

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Speaker 2: talk about all the other things going on in the

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Speaker 2: ADHD brain, but the, because the alcohol, ADHD, dopamine connection

471
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Speaker 2: is really like so relevant for us. So I already

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Speaker 2: knew that like from his, from what he had written,

473
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Speaker 2: from what other, you know, all the sources will tell you,

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Speaker 2: you know, is that the ADHD brain is dopamine deficient.

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Speaker 2: We have fewer dopamine pathways and it takes more to

476
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Speaker 2: excite those pathways. So whereas, you know, a really good

477
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Speaker 2: example is like if somebody without ADHD watches a video

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Speaker 2: of a golden retriever puppy, right?

479
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Speaker 1: They're so cute. And they might get this hit of dopamine.

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Speaker 2: That makes them just feel so happy, right? But for

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Speaker 2: me with ADHD, I need to go play with a

482
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Speaker 2: litter of golden retriever puppies to get that same dopamine.

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Speaker 1: Reaction, right?

484
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Speaker 2: So where risk-taking and all of that comes in, I

485
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Speaker 2: could start to recognize those patterns and go, oh man,

486
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Speaker 2: all of this risk-taking, all of this bombastic behavior, all

487
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Speaker 2: of these things, those are a result of my brain

488
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Speaker 2: seeking more dopamine. And so I see that like, I

489
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Speaker 2: needed to find healthier sources of dopamine.

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Speaker 1: And so even.

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Speaker 2: While drinking, the thing I didn't know, the thing I like,

492
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Speaker 2: and I don't know why I never knew this, maybe

493
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Speaker 2: I just glossed over it. But I just didn't know

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Speaker 2: that alcohol was such a powerful producer of dopamine. Or

495
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Speaker 2: it would have been something I said probably a lot earlier,

496
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Speaker 2: like that's not a good source of dopamine because I

497
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Speaker 2: cut out the other things. I cut out like reckless behavior.

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Speaker 2: I cut out drinking and skiing, but I didn't cut

499
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Speaker 2: out skiing fast and pushing myself to ski like more

500
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Speaker 2: dangerous territory, you know, terrain.

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Speaker 1: You know, so things like that.

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Speaker 2: So for like probably 15 years before I, you know,

503
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Speaker 2: started exploring or 10 years or so before I started

504
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Speaker 2: exploring sobriety, I already knew like my brain had this

505
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Speaker 2: thing going on with the dopamine deficiency. So I started

506
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Speaker 2: to sort of make some changes, things like exercise regularly

507
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: have perked up and they're like, oh my gosh, this

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Speaker 3: more about dopamine and alcohol and ADHD?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a really good reason for it. There's a

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Speaker 2: really good connection. And I want them to know there's

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Speaker 2: hope that alcohol doesn't have to be the end-all be-all

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Speaker 2: that can be replaced with a lot better thing. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's the core of everything too, Christy, is

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Speaker 2: that regardless of everything else, I, you know, for the

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Speaker 2: women listening who think, are kind of thinking, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: this is me. Like, I want them first of all,

565
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Speaker 2: to know that like, they're fearfully and wonderfully made in

566
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Speaker 2: the image of God. He knit them together and he

567
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Speaker 2: has good plans for them, for their brains, for all

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Speaker 2: of it. And so, you know, this is a ADHD,

569
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Speaker 2: like understanding ADHD is a place of hope you know,

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Speaker 2: get us out of those second grade classrooms. I think

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Speaker 2: that was so much of why I ran from it

572
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Speaker 2: as a kid. I really wanted to grow out of

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Speaker 2: it because I was so different and there was such

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Speaker 2: a stigma around it. Like, let's leave those second grade

575
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Speaker 2: classrooms behind. And, you know, once we understand like this

576
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Speaker 2: part of it, we can move on and and really

577
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Speaker 2: harness how how wonderful ADHD can be. But, you know,

578
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Speaker 2: the fact is that dopamine is a very powerful thing

579
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Speaker 2: in the brain, it regulates so much for us, especially

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Speaker 2: where motivation and focus are concerned. And so, you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of those patterns I was

582
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Speaker 2: talking about with drinking show up in people with ADHD,

583
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Speaker 2: from the boldness and the recklessness to just needing a

584
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Speaker 2: glass of wine to do the dishes.

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Speaker 1: You know, those are really common things.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, those substances like alcohol that get that quick, right,

587
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Speaker 2: that quick dopamine, because they're sources of like, over time,

588
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,969
Speaker 2: you can get dopamine from this other thing. But it's

589
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Speaker 2: when we reach for those quick dopamine things that can

590
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Speaker 2: be really powerful for people with ADHD. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: according to Harvard research, we're about 1.5 times more likely

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Speaker 2: to have a substance abuse disorder because of ADHD.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's so interesting.

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Speaker 3: And I think that it's really relevant for some of

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Speaker 3: the gals in the community. I can just hear them now, right,

596
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:23,300
Speaker 3: of who literally that is what they do. They got

597
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Speaker 3: a list of chores and it's laundry and dishes. And

598
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Speaker 3: I have to do all these things. And I'm going

599
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Speaker 3: to drink to kind of get through it. And for me,

600
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Speaker 3: I could never relate to that because once I started drinking,

601
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Speaker 3: I just literally wanted to be a potato. I literally

602
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Speaker 3: just wanted to, I will two things. I would either

603
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Speaker 3: be on a table somewhere dancing like an insane person

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Speaker 3: in a restaurant or in a nightclub, or I'd be

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Speaker 3: a potato on the couch. So like the drinking to

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Speaker 3: like get through things. I mean, I have a, a

607
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Speaker 3: friend that's an attorney who, And she will drink to

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Speaker 3: get through her like legal work. And I'm like, how?

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Speaker 1: It's the dopamine. It's the dopamine.

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Speaker 3: Because you want to enjoy those activities or you just

611
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Speaker 3: want to be able to get through them?

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Speaker 1: It's it's not even a I don't even think it's

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Speaker 1: a get through.

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Speaker 2: It's to even initiate to have the, you know, motivation

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Speaker 2: to start to have that. Do you have you ever

616
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Speaker 2: have those days? You remember those days of drinking, right?

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Speaker 2: You wake up the next day and your brain is

618
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Speaker 2: just surging with dynorphin.

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Speaker 3: Not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Not dopamine.

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Speaker 2: Right. That's kind of a picture into sort of a

624
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Speaker 2: baseline ADHD brain where it's really low dopamine. So imagine

625
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Speaker 2: your lowest dopamine day. And that's just sort of how

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Speaker 2: people with ADHD live is just on a baseline is

627
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Speaker 2: just lower dopamine all the time. You know, for us,

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Speaker 2: like that quick dopamine and even, you know, for drinkers, right?

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Speaker 2: When we drank, whether we have an ADHD brain or,

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Speaker 2: you know, a non-ADHD brain, a lot of us in

631
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Speaker 2: that cycle, because that dynorphin was almost like creating that, right?

632
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Speaker 2: Creating that dopamine later. you know, now we're reaching again

633
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Speaker 2: for alcohol to like, get more dopamine, right? Which is

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Speaker 2: why that that video you have of nuggets that you share.

635
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Speaker 2: If you if anybody hasn't watched that video, it's it's

636
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Speaker 2: an absolute must watch the little bird, you know, try.

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Speaker 3: To find it and link it in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's been used by so many people

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Speaker 3: in the sober verse that they might have, like copyrighted

640
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Speaker 3: it and like not allowed people to share it anymore.

641
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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's Such a good way to describe it.

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Speaker 3: So it's more the motivation than the focus, or is

643
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Speaker 3: it also a tool for focus?

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Speaker 1: It's also a tool for focus.

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Speaker 2: And a little bit norepinephrine plays a role in all

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Speaker 2: of that too, in focus and in attentiveness. So there

647
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Speaker 2: are a lot of sources of quick dopamine out there, right? Alcohol, nicotine,

648
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:07,340
Speaker 2: cocaine is a big one. Gambling, doom scrawling. compulsive shopping, pornography.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of those sources of quick dopamine

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Speaker 2: that give you a real fast hit, but they're not

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Speaker 2: healthy in the long run.

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Speaker 1: They're counterproductive. And of course, the brain also still wants

653
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Speaker 1: to push.

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Speaker 2: Down that dopamine. And in the ADHD brain, dynorphin works

655
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Speaker 2: just the same. It's like, whoa, there's a surge. Now

656
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Speaker 2: I'm going to push down, right? which is why sometimes

657
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Speaker 2: you'll see with ADHD increasingly reckless behavior, you know, and

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Speaker 2: escalating riskiness.

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Speaker 1: One of them is like just.

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Speaker 2: Putting yourself in risky situations, you know, which I definitely

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Speaker 2: experienced in college.

662
00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:49,890
Speaker 1: So, yeah. Yeah.

663
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: We'll be back right after a quick word from our sponsors.

664
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: So you realize that this is how alcohol was invented.

665
00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: affecting your brain, you realize this is how it like

666
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: gals with ADHD can get hooked on it. And then

667
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:08,810
Speaker 3: you removed it and you went on your alcohol fast

668
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:10,970
Speaker 3: and you basically never looked back.

669
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:13,890
Speaker 4: What have you used now?

670
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:17,230
Speaker 3: What do you do now like to help with getting

671
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:22,260
Speaker 3: that natural, healthier version of dopamine that's not alcohol?

672
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:24,020
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

673
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,580
Speaker 2: So cracking that code, realizing that dopamine was in that

674
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: long list of things that people with ADHD should probably

675
00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: steer clear from because it is so powerful. But with

676
00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: that knowledge comes knowledge that there are other sources of

677
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: dopamine out there. And so to understand a little bit

678
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:46,550
Speaker 2: of this too is that the ADHD brain doesn't just

679
00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 2: need dopamine.

680
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,420
Speaker 1: It also needs motivation.

681
00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:52,339
Speaker 2: It also needs to be fed by some other more

682
00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: rewarding things, right? So, you know, alcohol is the fast

683
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: kick that is not long-term rewarding, right? It's not, you know,

684
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: and it can lead to greater depression because of that

685
00:35:05,219 --> 00:35:08,580
Speaker 2: dynorphin cycle you can get into. And so there are

686
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:13,330
Speaker 2: just so many other wonderful and healthy ways. So, you know,

687
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:17,460
Speaker 2: for me, the things had to be effort-based. So when

688
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:21,900
Speaker 2: I look for dopamine, something that involves my participation in it,

689
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:26,509
Speaker 2: oftentimes those sources are skill-based, something I'm really good at

690
00:35:26,570 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: or something I'm learning. There's something I can really live out,

691
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,940
Speaker 2: like setting goals, even if it's just a to-do list

692
00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: is really good because there's a dopamine hit that comes

693
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:40,049
Speaker 2: with like checking off something on your list. And then

694
00:35:40,090 --> 00:35:42,390
Speaker 2: things that are novel, things that are new, the, the

695
00:35:42,469 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: ADHD brain is fed by, to some extent by some

696
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: entertainment and that entertainment can be self-produced. So, and I

697
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: know that I'm wired for, okay, I want high agency,

698
00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: which means I want to be self-directing, uh, makes my,

699
00:35:58,980 --> 00:36:00,060
Speaker 2: a really good fit for me.

700
00:36:00,219 --> 00:36:03,730
Speaker 1: And that's what, uh, Dr. Hallowell will say, like two.

701
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,390
Speaker 2: Of the most important things you can do is find

702
00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:07,630
Speaker 2: the right person to marry and get in the right job. Um,

703
00:36:08,969 --> 00:36:11,570
Speaker 2: you're working a boring job and you have ADHD, it

704
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: doesn't work very well. I still like risk. I really

705
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: like risk. I like to take the lead. I like

706
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,950
Speaker 2: new things and I like things that challenge my boldness. So,

707
00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:26,629
Speaker 2: you know, some of the things I have done is

708
00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:31,370
Speaker 2: like take up golf and take up fly fishing because

709
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:32,069
Speaker 2: it's always new.

710
00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: And There's always something to work on.

711
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:38,380
Speaker 2: I try to find creative outlets, but I have to

712
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:41,410
Speaker 2: set deadlines so I don't just have projects sitting everywhere.

713
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:44,110
Speaker 2: Right now I have projects that don't have deadlines and

714
00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:45,930
Speaker 2: they're just sitting everywhere.

715
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing.

716
00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:50,589
Speaker 2: You know, I enjoy things like public speaking. I do

717
00:36:50,989 --> 00:36:54,210
Speaker 2: like do a lot of public speaking both in person and,

718
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:57,450
Speaker 2: you know, online. So I like that, you know, learning

719
00:36:57,489 --> 00:37:00,390
Speaker 2: things that are hard, stuff like that. So kind of

720
00:37:00,430 --> 00:37:02,549
Speaker 2: have a list of like things that I don't do

721
00:37:02,610 --> 00:37:05,509
Speaker 2: since quitting alcohol and then things I still do since

722
00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:08,770
Speaker 2: quitting alcohol. So one of the things I because I

723
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:11,530
Speaker 2: had to understand, like what would drive me to drink

724
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: to like where are those risky situations where I'm going

725
00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:18,649
Speaker 2: to look for quick dopamine? That's not going to benefit me.

726
00:37:18,830 --> 00:37:21,950
Speaker 2: So one of those things is like being in a

727
00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:22,850
Speaker 2: boring setting.

728
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:24,050
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

729
00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:27,630
Speaker 2: Like sitting around in a brewery doing nothing but chatting

730
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:29,270
Speaker 2: is the most boring setting.

731
00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:30,950
Speaker 1: Of course we need beer to be there.

732
00:37:33,310 --> 00:37:34,870
Speaker 4: But yeah.

733
00:37:34,969 --> 00:37:37,050
Speaker 1: And that's like an ADHD thing too.

734
00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:39,740
Speaker 2: This came up in community that like men need shoulder

735
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: to shoulder connection.

736
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: This has come up a couple times.

737
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: This week, but You know, the ADHD person probably needs

738
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: a lot more shoulder to shoulder connection. So I want

739
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:53,180
Speaker 2: to go and do things and play. And, you know,

740
00:37:53,219 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: my husband and I go out and we play together

741
00:37:55,820 --> 00:37:58,770
Speaker 2: like all the time. We were we played golf last night,

742
00:37:58,890 --> 00:38:02,130
Speaker 2: some golf, and we like to accomplish things together. So

743
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:05,649
Speaker 2: we like that shoulder to shoulder connection rather than sitting

744
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:08,690
Speaker 2: there face to face, sitting still talking about our deepest feelings.

745
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:10,090
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. We're both on it.

746
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:11,390
Speaker 4: Yeah.

747
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:15,450
Speaker 2: I also like since I stopped, since I quit alcohol,

748
00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't engage in behaviors that I'm going to regret later.

749
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: Like I, you know, I try not to do things

750
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: at least not consciously that I'll be like, oh my gosh,

751
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: that is not who I am.

752
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:29,049
Speaker 1: Why did I say that? Why did I do that?

753
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:31,730
Speaker 2: I think that's going to resonate with anybody who's been

754
00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:34,110
Speaker 2: in a drinking cycle. I don't do as much to

755
00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:37,830
Speaker 2: seek attention from others because that can be really demanding

756
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:42,930
Speaker 2: from somebody with ADHD. recognizing that like there's a healthy

757
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:47,899
Speaker 2: level of social reward of like contributed to my community

758
00:38:48,219 --> 00:38:51,420
Speaker 2: and I helped somebody and I made somebody's life a

759
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: little better today. You know, I actually bore the image

760
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: of Christ today, you know, versus like I need to

761
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,530
Speaker 2: be the center of attention and, you know, get everybody's

762
00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:03,629
Speaker 2: eyes on me.

763
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:11,850
Speaker 1: I don't typically moon anybody anymore. Maybe Zab every once

764
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:12,550
Speaker 1: in a while.

765
00:39:12,770 --> 00:39:17,170
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say my sister otherwise she's gonna

766
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:21,730
Speaker 2: call me out. You know, I also don't check out

767
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:25,730
Speaker 2: from really awkward moments with a substance. So, you know,

768
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:29,489
Speaker 2: I won't be like, I more, I more tend to

769
00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:32,180
Speaker 2: kind of see my place with ADHD in a room

770
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,420
Speaker 2: and say to myself, like, how can I be the

771
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,020
Speaker 2: confident person in this awkward situation that makes this other

772
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: person feel more comfortable?

773
00:39:40,260 --> 00:39:41,260
Speaker 1: I love that.

774
00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:46,890
Speaker 2: And then I also just don't do unstructured social time. I, yeah,

775
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:50,430
Speaker 2: I already said shoulders, shoulder activities, but If I'm going

776
00:39:50,469 --> 00:39:52,910
Speaker 2: to do something, I really like it to have kind

777
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:59,270
Speaker 2: of a structure involved. The fact is, without alcohol, I

778
00:39:59,310 --> 00:40:00,390
Speaker 2: still have ADHD.

779
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:01,950
Speaker 1: I still.

780
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: Need to stimulate some dopamine pathways, and that's a very

781
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,500
Speaker 2: real thing. So the bad source of dopamine doesn't make

782
00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: the need for dopamine to go away. It just means

783
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,090
Speaker 2: we need to find healthier sources. So I still I

784
00:40:17,110 --> 00:40:19,969
Speaker 2: still take risks. I'm still the person who will speak

785
00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: up boldly. Um, but I, I tend to think before

786
00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: I speak now, um, I seek, I seek a lot

787
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: of thrills still. I love, I love thrill seeking. I

788
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,870
Speaker 2: love skiing fast. I love the danger of like, will

789
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:38,510
Speaker 2: I hit a tree in the woods today?

790
00:40:38,530 --> 00:40:39,850
Speaker 1: No, because I'm such good.

791
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:40,049
Speaker 3: Yeah.

792
00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:47,210
Speaker 2: I still like love that. And over the years, I've

793
00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:50,580
Speaker 2: enjoyed a lot of different sports. I found, you know,

794
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: some of my greatest thrills in life have come completely sober.

795
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:59,020
Speaker 2: I'm hanging 600 feet off a rock face over a

796
00:40:59,060 --> 00:41:03,569
Speaker 2: mountain and just and like found myself there by happenstance

797
00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:05,510
Speaker 2: because somebody said you want to do something cool today.

798
00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:08,750
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yes, don't tell me what we're doing,

799
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:10,950
Speaker 2: but tell me what gear I need. Like, that's how

800
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:14,709
Speaker 2: that happened. And it was, it's so good. And it's no,

801
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:18,740
Speaker 2: no alcohol needed. I also commit myself to some lifelong sports.

802
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:21,660
Speaker 2: I talked about golf and fly fishing. You can't ever

803
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 2: master either of those. You can only improve all the time. And,

804
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: you know, if people want to challenge me on that,

805
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,290
Speaker 2: look at Shuffler and Rory both struggling right.

806
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:33,570
Speaker 1: Now with their drivers.

807
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: And it's just, they're the number one and two in

808
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:39,109
Speaker 2: the world still, like, working things out.

809
00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:43,330
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Scottie Scheffler, like, just as a human.

810
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:44,589
Speaker 3: I know.

811
00:41:44,650 --> 00:41:46,390
Speaker 1: Can you come on the podcast? I don't know what

812
00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:48,089
Speaker 1: you would talk about. Oh, my gosh.

813
00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:49,950
Speaker 4: Does he have an alcohol story? Let's look that up.

814
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:51,870
Speaker 1: No, I doubt it.

815
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:53,870
Speaker 4: I doubt it, too.

816
00:41:54,489 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: Wife, too. Everything he says about her, I'm like, I just, yeah,

817
00:41:57,820 --> 00:41:59,700
Speaker 1: I want to meet her. They're really cute.

818
00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 4: Let's land the plane. So.

819
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 3: For the woman who's listening, who maybe she doesn't know

820
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:09,860
Speaker 3: that she has ADHD, maybe because I feel like a

821
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:13,100
Speaker 3: lot more gals are finding this out for the first time.

822
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,569
Speaker 3: Maybe Brittany has said something where you're like, oh, that

823
00:42:16,610 --> 00:42:18,210
Speaker 3: makes so much sense to me.

824
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:22,070
Speaker 4: What would be, I guess, let's do a tiny new action.

825
00:42:22,110 --> 00:42:24,609
Speaker 3: Like what is a tiny new action that you would

826
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: tell a gal who's maybe thought that she's used alcohol

827
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:30,939
Speaker 3: for some of these reasons that you said?

828
00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: I would say talk to somebody is the tiny option.

829
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,420
Speaker 2: You know, if you're in the community, you know, talk

830
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,580
Speaker 2: to feel free to DM me if you're not.

831
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,300
Speaker 1: I would I would reach out.

832
00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:46,620
Speaker 2: And talk to a family practitioner or if you're working

833
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,390
Speaker 2: with a counselor psychiatrist at all.

834
00:42:49,410 --> 00:42:50,989
Speaker 1: They're good people to reach out to.

835
00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a misunderstanding out there that

836
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,580
Speaker 2: sort of ADHD is so underdiagnosed and it's undertreated because

837
00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:01,540
Speaker 2: there aren't a lot of ADHD specialists right now.

838
00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:05,850
Speaker 1: That's because it's so it's so well researched.

839
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: It's so well known. Pretty much any counselor, any any.

840
00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:14,100
Speaker 2: family doctor knows about it. They see it all the time.

841
00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:14,650
Speaker 1: They treat it.

842
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:18,660
Speaker 2: They don't specialize in blood pressure. So they don't specialize

843
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 2: in ADHD. It's just one of those things that there's

844
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:25,980
Speaker 2: so much help out there for it. And it's important

845
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: to stay like, really don't go in there going, I

846
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,420
Speaker 2: think I have ADHD. But I have these patterns I'm noticing.

847
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,770
Speaker 2: And this is what, because a lot of this with dopamine,

848
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:41,049
Speaker 2: with alcohol cycles, it can mask other things. It could

849
00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:45,540
Speaker 2: just be like the dopamine dynorphin cycle. There are a

850
00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:49,060
Speaker 2: lot of other things. Depression can show up as ADHD

851
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:52,660
Speaker 2: and ADHD can show up as depression and lots of

852
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:57,350
Speaker 2: other things can show up that way. So You know,

853
00:43:57,450 --> 00:43:59,670
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, talk to somebody and have

854
00:43:59,690 --> 00:44:03,890
Speaker 2: an open conversation about what you're experiencing and the things

855
00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:07,969
Speaker 2: that are bothering you about like how life is going.

856
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,020
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so, so, so good.

857
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: Because as we talk about all the time, right, awareness

858
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: is the very first step.

859
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,020
Speaker 4: It's the very first step of transformation.

860
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: And then understanding how your brain and your body works,

861
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,540
Speaker 3: how God knit you together. And he obviously knit us

862
00:44:22,820 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: all together differently. you could have ADHD and none of

863
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: the things that Brittany said maybe did relate, but go

864
00:44:28,340 --> 00:44:31,750
Speaker 3: and find out, as she said, talk to someone, figure

865
00:44:31,969 --> 00:44:35,270
Speaker 3: out like exactly kind of what you need in order

866
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:38,470
Speaker 3: to replace that unhealthy coping mechanism of alcohol.

867
00:44:38,989 --> 00:44:41,430
Speaker 4: Experiment, like you gave so many ideas.

868
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:44,130
Speaker 3: If those ideas don't sound good to you, go and

869
00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: experiment and find your own like methods, right?

870
00:44:46,780 --> 00:44:49,419
Speaker 4: There's so many different things depending on what you need.

871
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 3: I think that's the question that I find myself asking

872
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: so many times to anyone in coaching is like, what

873
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,100
Speaker 3: do you really need right now? And I don't think

874
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: we are used to asking that question. It's very compulsive, right?

875
00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:06,710
Speaker 3: It's just like you, you know, whatever the feeling is,

876
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:08,690
Speaker 3: you do the thing to either numb it out or

877
00:45:08,770 --> 00:45:11,330
Speaker 3: shift it or enhance it or make it go away

878
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:14,230
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. And so everything that you said

879
00:45:14,290 --> 00:45:18,029
Speaker 3: is so helpful and so valuable. And I'm so grateful

880
00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:22,820
Speaker 3: for you. and thrilled for your brand new bundle joining

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Speaker 3: us soon and all of the things.

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Speaker 4: So any kind of last thoughts?

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Speaker 2: No, I think just as you, you know, contemplate this,

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Speaker 2: or maybe you, you know, are wondering about it, I

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Speaker 2: think just keep in mind that like God made you,

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Speaker 2: God made you, he didn't, he didn't get it wrong.

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Speaker 1: He got you right.

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Speaker 2: And, you know, all of this is a shame-free journey

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Speaker 2: into what God has for us. Cause he never, ever

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Speaker 2: leads us in shame. He always leads us in freedom.

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Speaker 2: And so he's taking you on some kind of journey

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Speaker 2: with ADHD, just like with alcohol.

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Speaker 1: It is a, it is so that.

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Speaker 2: You can live a fuller and more beautiful and more

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Speaker 2: joyful life in his name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, my friend. You're the best. All right, gals.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. We will see you next week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to Love Life Sober and we

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Speaker 3: will see you in the community.

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Speaker 4: Bye, gals.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for spending this time with me on Love

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Speaker 3: Life Sober. If today's conversation stirred something in your heart,

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Speaker 3: don't rush past it.

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Speaker 4: Take it to prayer.

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Speaker 3: If you're feeling ready for deeper connection and support, I'd

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Speaker 3: love to invite you into the Love Life Sober community,

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Speaker 3: a grace-filled, shame-free space where real connection grows and and

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Speaker 3: lasting change takes root. You can find the link to

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Speaker 3: join us in the show notes. Love Life Sober is

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Speaker 3: part of the Life Audio Podcast Network, where faith-centered podcasts

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Speaker 3: help you grow deeper in your walk with Christ. You

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Speaker 3: can find more faith-centered podcasts at lifeaudio.com. Until next time,

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Speaker 3: be gentle with yourself, stay curious, and trust God's promises.

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Speaker 4: He has freedom waiting for you.