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Welcome to today's Out of Zion podcast, and 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: I'm doctor Susan Michael, and I'm really looking forward to 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: today's conversation with a new friend and colleague, Jeremy Stein, 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: who is the director of the Center for Holyland Studies. 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: And this is a department or a study program through 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: the Assembly of God Denomination, and so we want to 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: learn more. 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: About what that is and what they do. 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: And so Jeremy, tell us a little bit about your background, 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: how you ended up in this position, and you know 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: how this came about. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series, connecting 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response. 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: Be shre to subscribe for future episodes which will ignite 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: your faith and bring the Bible to life in your 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: everyday world. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers. 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: So I'm originally from New York City. I was a 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: pastor's kid growing up there, and when I went to 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: Bible college, I never really had an interest in the 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: land of the Bible or anything like that, which kind 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: of now I look back and I'm like, no, no, 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: Dad should have got me excited about that. But I 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: never really had a focus or that. But in college 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: I went to a school called Zion Bible Colleges is 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: up in northern Massachusetts, and they had a program in 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: the summer with the Center for Holy Land Studies and 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: the Assemblies of God that took students to the lands 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: of the Bible, specifically ministry students so that they could 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: get experience in the land and fall in love with 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: the land before they ever got behind a pulpit. And 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: I really signed up because all my friends were doing 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: it and I didn't need the credits for it, but 36 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I might as well do 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: this as a graduation present for myself. At the time, 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: my girlfriend was also planning on going on the trip, 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: and I was thinking about how to propose, when to propose. 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: I thought this would be a great time, so all 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: the wrong reasons to go, And then I went and manned, 42 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: did God meet me there in such a powerful and 43 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: profound way. I absolutely fell in love with the world 44 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: of the Bible, the Land of Israel, and I got 45 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: engaged on that trip. And then we come home and 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: I tell my now wife, that's what I want to 47 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: do for a living. I want to bring people to 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: the Land of Israel. And she goes, that's not a 49 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: job that doesn't pay the bills. You just went for 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: four years to get a degree in pastoral ministry, and 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: now you're telling me you want to drop all that 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: and go for a master's in ancient Judaism and the 53 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: origins of Christianity. And how are we going to pay 54 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: for the wedding, and now we've got to postpone it 55 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: and all that. But that was what was burning inside me, 56 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: and so I did all those things. We postponed the wedding. 57 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: I went and I studied at Nyat College in New 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: York City, which had a partnership with Yeshiva University also 59 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: where we got to trade students, essentially, where we had 60 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: students that came from Yeshiva that learned under our Christian professors, 61 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: and then we had the honor of going to Yeshiva 62 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: and learning under some of their rabbinics professors and just 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: getting ingrained inside the world. Wow. Also having us go 64 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: back and forth to Israel and study. And so as 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: a result, I said, you know what, I want to 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: give back to the ministry that really birthed this in me, 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: and I started finding ways to get involved with the 68 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: Center foly Land Studies, and in twenty seventeen, the one 69 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: who founded the center, doctor Giorgio Wood, asked me to 70 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: come on and be a teaching specialist for it. And 71 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: that was probably my favorite job I've ever held, because 72 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: my whole responsibility was basically to create content and to 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: be in the land to journey with pastors, but more 74 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: importantly students in learning about the land, but also falling 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: in love with the land and God's word inside the land. 76 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: I love it. 77 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: So how old were you when you went? 78 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: I was? Let me see how old. I'm thirty four 79 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: right now, and I was. 80 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: I was twenty one, twenty one, okay, so I was 81 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: nineteen when I first went. So I totally get it. 82 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: The excitement, the life change that it brought about. So 83 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: I totally get that. I'm glad you eventually got the girl. 84 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: How long did you have to delay the wedding? 85 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: It was four years? Oh yeah, I know. I know. 86 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: If she sees this I'm in trouble. I am. It's 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 2: gonna be like you're telling everybody that yes, yes, she 88 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: when we've been married now nine years and it'll be 89 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: ten this December and we have a little one and 90 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: a half year old. 91 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Oh, just so much congratulations. Oh that's wonderful. So you 92 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: did get a master's. 93 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: In Ancient Judaism and the origins of Christianity. Yeah, we 94 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: had a pro from JUC, which I know is your background. 95 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: Niyat College bought a program from JAUC and we brought 96 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: a bunch of the professors over. So doctor Steve Notley 97 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: oversaw that program, and we had all different people that 98 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: were coming back and forth. Doctor Wright as well, Paul 99 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: Wright came back and forth wave nonely and so it 100 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: was I got the ingraining, a feeling like I was 101 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: in Jerusalem while doing it in New York City. Right. 102 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now that's a great opportunity, and to be able 103 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: to study under rabbinical professors and all, it's something that 104 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: not a lot of students get that opportunity. That's great. 105 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: So well, tell me, now, what kind of programs do 106 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: you have? Are they all short study trips or use 107 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: different lengths? And you have a property in Jerusalem, don't. 108 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: You he did? You did? 109 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: Me did? 110 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're actually talking about that on the car right 111 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: over here. We had a property in Jerusalem, but it 112 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: ended up getting sold. One of our universities really was 113 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: the one that owned it. We do have a property 114 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: up in the north right now that we use more 115 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: so for retreats, but also for a staging center where 116 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: some of the excavations that take place. We get to 117 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: do a whole bunch of different things. But we have 118 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: all different lengths of programs from ten days up to 119 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: a couple of months, depending on what the need is. 120 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: Our purpose is really to influence not just the current 121 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: generation that is in the pulpit, but the next generation 122 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: that's coming into the pulpit and instilling a love for 123 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: God's Word and a love for biblical literacy, which is 124 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: it's on such a decline through using the land of 125 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: the Bible itself as the best medium for it. And 126 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: so we take church groups, which is really what we 127 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: do in volume the most of simply because that's what 128 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: pays the bills. But it allows us then to invest 129 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: inside students, and so we do a number of student 130 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: trips every year. We do a j term trip. It's 131 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: about two weeks long or so. Then we do another 132 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: trip that's specifically geared towards students who are going into 133 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: the missions field. It's tied in with a program called 134 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: Pack Your Bads where they go out to different places 135 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: and get it t of being on the missions field. 136 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: Then they all come together, after going to all these 137 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: various countries to Israel to see kind of God's call 138 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: on their life while journeying through the message of the 139 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: Gospels and the place that happens. Then we have another 140 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: program every year that we call Bible Lands, and that's 141 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: a university program that we open up not just to 142 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: assumbas of God universities, but any university that really wants 143 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: to get involved. And it's about getting students there to 144 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: fall in love with it no matter what they're calling 145 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: is if it's pastoral ministry, if it's youth ministry, but 146 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: also if they're called to the arts, or they're called 147 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: to writing or academia or anything like that, and that 148 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: is that trip will range. They have the ability to 149 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: choose for it being three weeks or we've done it 150 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: over two months of them absolutely just getting ingrained inside 151 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: the culture and the role of the Bible. 152 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: So how many people do you take over every year? 153 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: Usually maybe a couple thousand or so, It depends on that. 154 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: You're obviously of events inside the world have changed that significantly. 155 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: The last five years have been up and down and 156 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: up and down, but things are really starting to come 157 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: back and full fledge again. And so I'm going to 158 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: say we're going to be looking at taking two thousand, 159 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: maybe two thy five hundred people in the next year 160 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: to the land. 161 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: How many times do you go over? 162 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: About once a month or so, if not more. I 163 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: am as active as I can be with these trips 164 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: while balancing a family life at home. It's it's my passion, 165 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: my calling. As much as I love being the director 166 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: and overseeing things from a directorials, but I'm a teacher 167 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: at heart. I want to be there and I want 168 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 2: to see people have that aha moment of Oh, this 169 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: is the true Israel, this is what these are God's 170 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: people that I'm interacting with. This is I understood this differently, 171 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: but now I understand it in the light of modern 172 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: day events and modern Israel and the Jewish people. And 173 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: so for me, those moments like that is they see 174 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: their Bible alive in a new and a fresh way. 175 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: That makes it so so exciting for me, and that's 176 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: what I long to do the most. And so if 177 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 2: I can get a chance to put myself on a trip, 178 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: I will do it. 179 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: Well, when you're in your thirties, you can do that 180 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: every month going over, Ben, my time is limited, you 181 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: still have lots of energy. So I was so, tell us, 182 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: now you've been doing this for six years. 183 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: I've been so full time. I've been on full time 184 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: for yeah, almost nine years, but I started even doing 185 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: it part time before I came on. I did take 186 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: the time to go into pastoral ministry. I was an 187 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: associate pastor at a church and I was with my 188 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: father's church. Then he ended up passing away inside a 189 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: car accident, and so I had to kind of step 190 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: up and lead in that aspect. But I still had 191 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: a heart and a passion, and my board at the 192 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: time was fantastic where they said, no, no, this is 193 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: what you're called to do. Clearly, you have a calling 194 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: to do this, explore this, keep doing that. And so 195 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: I was doing it, not as not doing a group 196 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: every single month, but a group every couple of months. 197 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 2: While I could just to stay afresh and to keep 198 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: on learning, because every trip that I do I learned from. 199 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've been doing this, let's say ten twelve weeks. Okay, 200 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: what have you seen in terms of trends or changes 201 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: with the pastors I'm Temka specifically the pastors now that 202 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: you're taking over. Do you find that there's some trends 203 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: something you're constantly and you've almost had to change your curriculum. 204 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: Order growing anti semitism and growing replacement theology especially, And 205 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: I think it is a result of just culture today 206 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: that they're being impacted and bombarded, especially as social media expands. 207 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: These are what they're hearing on podcasts and things of 208 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: that nature that then they start maybe believing a kernel 209 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: of it, and then you start getting in conversation with 210 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: them inside the land. In those conversations and just asking questions, 211 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: you start hearing things that are puzzling and should be puzzling. 212 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: Then you have to ask yourself, Okay, is this what's 213 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: being reiterated from the pulpit and then yeah, so then 214 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: we've had to change the conversation that we've had about guys, 215 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: how do we see things, how do we understand things? 216 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: But also what's the biblical lens that we're looking through? 217 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: Is media impacting that biblical lens? Are those who are 218 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: listening to impacting that rather than allowing the land itself 219 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: and the Bible itself to speak to that. And so yeah, 220 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: we've absolutely had to shift that significantly to just combat 221 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: the rise of that worldwide. 222 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: Let's take a break. Can hear a message from one 223 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion 224 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: podcast with Susan Michael. 225 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: Do you have any stories you can share of someone 226 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: that came with maybe some anti Semitism or and their 227 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: aha moment? 228 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I've got tons of them, and they all 229 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: almost have the same aha moment. I've had pastors that 230 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: have come and said listen, and that's all nice, but 231 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: let's be realistic. We are Israel now and that you 232 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: can't change my mind. And then there's one individual in 233 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: Jerusalem that I bring my groups to always to talk 234 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: to him and his brother own a shop in the 235 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 2: Jewish Quarter and his name is Moshe. And most people 236 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: travel through the land no Moche and dope very well. 237 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: And Moshe is an Orthodox Jew who allows Christians to 238 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: come into his shop and ask him any question that 239 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: they want. Nothing is off limits, nothing is too sacred, 240 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: nothing is too offensive. But he asks them if he 241 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: can speak to them first, and he does so, and 242 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: he brings in the reality of how they are experiencing prophecy, 243 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: and they're bringing it to life just by them being there. 244 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: And this idea of replacing Israel or trying to supersede Israel, 245 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: that's not even the question in his minds. We're all part, 246 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: we're all serving our God, our Father. And when he 247 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: has that conversation they're allowed to ask him. He does 248 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 2: more of the legwork than I ever get to do, 249 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: because it's not from somebody that they're expecting to hear 250 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: these answers from. They're expecting to have that dialogue too. 251 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: And I can't tell you how many pastors have walked 252 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: out of that little shop just bawling and l wow, 253 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: just because of that moment of understanding. Okay, there's somebody 254 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: who we might see things differently theologically when it comes 255 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: to the messiah ship or Jesus himself, but you cannot 256 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: be in that man's presence without understanding that man loves 257 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: the Lord, our God with all of his heart, mind, soul, 258 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: and strength and that starts making things take inside their mind. 259 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: They start asking themselves, maybe I did get it wrong 260 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: because this faceless person on this podcast or this show 261 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: that told me x Y and Z or this sermon. 262 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: They might say one thing, but I just interacted with 263 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: somebody who proved that wrong because of the way he 264 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: talked to me, the way that he interacted, but also 265 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: with what I see in his life. 266 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: So this proves I have the saying that. And the 267 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: antidote for anti Semitism is relationship. It's so easy to 268 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: demonize a people if you don't know any of them, 269 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: so it's all just theory in your mind based on 270 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: something you heard or something you read or whatever. But 271 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: when you get to know them, you have to grapple 272 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: with these things and realize these are not just human beings, 273 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: but actually these are people that have lived an amazing 274 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: story for centuries and have been faithful and unfaithful at times, 275 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: but yet God has been faithful to his promises and 276 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: bringing them back. And to have a personal conversation with 277 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: a Jewish person, that too can be life changing. And 278 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: so you've you've just proved that, and that's an important part. 279 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: I think that's the number one way to cucumbatter is 280 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: creating relationship. 281 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: And do your tours do any kind of like a 282 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: Shabbat dinner, doing that. 283 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: We do on request. We are our tours are completely 284 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: customizable based off of what the church is looking for. 285 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: And so yeah, we'll do not only the Shabbat dinner, 286 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: but will also bring people to if they if they 287 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: have a heart to see Kafaraza and what happened there, 288 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: if they want to simply be inside the fields and 289 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: pick fruit and be a part of that. We have 290 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: opened up all different options for what's burning on their 291 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: heart to get them connected with God's people. 292 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: Well, I was asking about the Shabbad because that is 293 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: another way for especially pastors and young people to have 294 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: that personal interaction at around a Jewish family's Shabbat table. 295 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: And there are groups there in Israel that will do 296 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: that and try to accommodate as many tourists as they 297 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: can in a home so that you can just experience 298 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: the special specialness of Shabbad. And that also is really 299 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: eye opening for a lot of people. 300 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had some of our groups that have actually 301 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: brought our guides back to the States in order to 302 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: do Shabbat dinner with their church because it was so 303 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: impactful inside the land for them. 304 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell me, you know what, we could talk 305 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: about the assembly God denomination, or you can just talk 306 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: about the church world in general. But honestly, what kind 307 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: of percentages do you think within our pastors that do 308 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: teach and Tishlin teach a replacement theology physician like I have. 309 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: To say somewhere about sixty percent or more last Falts Unfortunately, Wow, 310 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: it's I would have said that it would three years ago, 311 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: before twenty twenty three, I would have said it was 312 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: close to thirty five forty percent, and maybe even ten 313 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: years ago I might have said twenty twenty five percent. 314 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: But it is rapidly shifter, and it's something that we 315 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: should be very concerned about because you have many that 316 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 2: are feeding into it that are impacting so many people 317 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 2: that in ways that they can't even imagine, because they're 318 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: not just impacting the pastors, but then they're impact in 319 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: the congregations that are hearing for the pastors. 320 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: Well, does your denomination in assimibly God? Do they have 321 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: any kind of like official stance in replacement theology? 322 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: We do. We have a statement that is what's called 323 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: our part of our by laws or our position papers 324 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 2: really against it. But the difference about the Assemblies of 325 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: God as a whole is that it's a cooperative fellowship 326 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: and the focus on the Assemblies of God is in 327 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: what we call the sixteen Fundamental Truths. And so there's 328 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: disagreements on the position papers and things like that, and 329 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: that gives churches some type of leeway and pastors leeway 330 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 2: that they can push those type of theologies if it 331 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily disagree with the sixteen Fundamental Truths. And that's 332 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: what we have a lot of times, unfortunately, is that reality. 333 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so grateful to know that they have, you know, 334 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: a statement and on that, and then they also have 335 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: a statement or two about anti symmetry. 336 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: Right, yeah. Back, we our very first statement against anti 337 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: Semitism came out in nineteen twenty eight, and we were 338 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: at the forefront of really trying to make a stand 339 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: against the growing anti Semitism that was happening inside Europe 340 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: that results in the atrocites we see in the nineteen 341 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: thirties and the nineteen forties, And just in twenty twenty 342 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: two we reiterated that stance at after one of our 343 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: biannual meetings what we call our General Council, making a 344 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: public declaration, free pages long, of declaring we are standing 345 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: against anti Semitism, we stand with Israel, we stand with 346 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: the people of Israel. And I think it was divine 347 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: because just the next year you have such a push 348 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: against that type of mindset that we had just solidified 349 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: just one year earlier. 350 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: That's wonderful. It's really great to know. Oh, Jeremy, your 351 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: name Jeremy Stein. Do you have any Jewish lias in you? 352 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: Or is this German? 353 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 2: Everybody asks me, so background, Yeah, is German. But also, 354 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: you know, my grandfather was a very weird individual, and 355 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: he jumped from faith and belief and religion. He was 356 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: Jehovah's witness for a time, he was Mormon. My dad 357 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: ended up becoming a believer when he was in high school, 358 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: and we just couldn't really trace it. So is there 359 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: the possibility that on my grandfather's side that we were 360 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: Jewish one hundred percent? We just we don't know. He 361 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: was a weird guy, That's all I can say. I 362 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: wish I had a better answer, but I've gotten brought 363 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: into the fold of the National Jewish Fellowship of the 364 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: assemblies of God. They tell me that I'm Jewish. As 365 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: a result, when I'm in Israel, people just assume that, 366 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: and so it works perfectly. I am whatever God has 367 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: called in destiny to be. And so if we come 368 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: out with it and see that I am, I'm excited 369 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: for it. 370 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: Well, if in Israel I assume you are, then you 371 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: probably are. 372 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: We'll go by. 373 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: And so we're just so glad to know about you 374 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: and your and that you've founded and that God's using 375 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: you in such amazing ways here. It really is critical, 376 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: and it's critical that the pastors and the church leaders 377 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: understand the significance of Israel because that's when their Bible 378 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: really makes sense absolutely, and that brings spiritual revival to churches. 379 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: When their Bible then becomes so exciting because they understand 380 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: that we call it the Israel key. It's like you 381 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: put it in the Bible, stands up and comes alive. 382 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: That has to bring revival to churches. So what you're 383 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: doing is really really critical for the whole denomination, and 384 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: so we're just so glad to know about it, and 385 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: we pray that the Lord bless you. Thanks you, some 386 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: men use you and multiply this many many times over. 387 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much, and we're so blessed 388 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: just first of all by this friendship, but also by 389 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: what you guys are doing too. It's always exciting when 390 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: we get to hear about how God is blessed and you, 391 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: especially inside Jerusalem, and so it's fantastical. We'd love to 392 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: partner with you. 393 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: So the next time you're over there, I need to 394 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: connect you with our Jerusalem headquarters. 395 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: I will, I will, God bless Thank you so. 396 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: Much, Hey, just give me one more minute. I want 397 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: to offer you one of our free resources. 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