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Speaker 3: a brand new bestseller. I undoubtedly will be if it's

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Speaker 3: not already Nero and Paul, how the Gospel of Grace

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Speaker 3: defeated the ruler of Rome. She's Kathy Lee Gifford. And

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Speaker 3: what an honor it is to have you, Kathy Lee.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris. I can't believe we haven't met before,

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Speaker 3: You hear it all the time. But the thing is,

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Speaker 1: Jesus as Shia everywhere you go and share his love

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Speaker 1: and you won't get confused about what am I supposed

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Speaker 1: Only Him, only Him? And I pray that this book

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Speaker 1: blesses so many people. People are loving the first one,

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Speaker 1: Harod and Mary. This one comes out next week on

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Speaker 1: March tenth, but it's available, of course to order now

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Speaker 1: and again if you have trouble reading dense things. Historically,

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Speaker 1: they're kind of hard for you. I don't blame you there,

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Speaker 1: they're hard to record to believe me. Then listen to

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Speaker 1: download the audio. I get a chance to do my

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Speaker 1: acting in that because I play everybody.

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Speaker 3: Oh cool and I'm a good Yeah you listening?

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Speaker 1: Do you read it?

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Speaker 3: Would be fascinating. I'm sure that sounds very entertaining. I

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Speaker 3: would might take that. I typically do say that again.

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Speaker 1: I don't let I do the recordings for all my

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense, Katie Lee.

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Speaker 3: This has just been honestly sincerely for me. For for

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Speaker 3: a very long time, I've I've followed your work and

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Speaker 3: watched you and I have hoped that we would get

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Speaker 3: it's it's better than I imagined. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, And after you read it or listen

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Speaker 1: to it, call me back, set up another time together,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about what you learned from it. And

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Speaker 1: I bet I'll learn something from you by telling me

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Speaker 1: what you learned. That's the way it's supposed to work,

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Speaker 1: you know, such a promise about it. Learned something on

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Speaker 1: the last day until the Lord takes me home, which

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Speaker 1: you know what, Chris, is the best day of any

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Speaker 1: of our lives, when we close our eyes and we're

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Speaker 1: in the arms of Jesus. Don't fear it. Don't fear

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Speaker 1: it's it's our reward to spend.

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Speaker 3: Attorney with our sin a man. Kathy, the Gifford Nero

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Speaker 3: and Paul how the Gospel of Grace defeated the Rum

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Speaker 3: of Rome. Thank you so much, Kathy Lee, and you Chris.

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Speaker 1: God bless you today. Shalom shalom.

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Speaker 3: So that's a wrap for another Christagall Show podcast. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for committing to it listening to it all the way through.

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Speaker 3: You're a fighter. I like that about you. Hope you'll

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Speaker 3: leave it a five star review and a written review.

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Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, Spotify. We'll see you next time here on

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Speaker 3: The Christagall Show Podcast.

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