1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special weekend edition of the Aera 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: of Moland Show. I'm walking through an airport in Miami, 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: get into La, then back to Cibity, back to my baby. 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: Wanted to bring you a conversation I've just had with 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Jonathan mckilliam. 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: He's a legend, former FBI, former. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: Navy seal, and he absolutely destroys these fake protesters in 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: inverted commas because they're not. 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: Who are making life hell for law. 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Abiding citizens and ice people trying to do their jobs 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: to keep these cities safe. So please enjoy this conversation 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: and I'll see you on the other side. Jonathan Gilliam, 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: thank you so so much for coming on the Aaron 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Molland Show. You're utterly brilliant and it's a real pleasure 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: to have you, so thank you. 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 3: Thank you. Erin then you're brilliant as well. Thank you 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: for it. 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Bless you Mutual Appreciation Society and I have great taste 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: clearly by getting you on, as do many other slightly 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: more reputable networks. 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: But I'll get there. I'll get there. Jonathan. 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about a couple of things. 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: You're a former Navy seal, FBI agent. Let's start domestically 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: in America and talk about Minnesota and this ramping up 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: of protests, and I say protests that that doesn't quite 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: cover it. They're violent mobs, essentially attacking ice. What have 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: you made of the situation, particularly over the past week 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: with a couple of incidents. 29 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, that's one thing I like about 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 4: your reporting, and when you've given now to something, you 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 4: hit things that are spot on, because this really is 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 4: not a protest, This is not civil disobedience. This is 33 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 4: definitely not the Boston tea party, you know, where they 34 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 4: have an actual reason to go out and do some 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: mischief to show, you know that they stand against something. 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 4: These people have no idea what they're protesting about, they 37 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: think they do, or who they're trying to defend. 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: I mean, think about it. 39 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 4: They're defending murderers, rapists, child predators, all these people who 40 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: are in this country illegally and really not American citizens 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: the way that the mayor there and the governor in 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 4: that state have portrayed it to be. So this is 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 4: important for the world to understand, is that what you're 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: seeing play out in Minnesota, We've seen it all over 45 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: our country, but it's leftists and many of us were 46 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 4: screaming this years before Trump was even elected. I used 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: to host for Sean Hannity on the radio right after 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: I got out of the FBI, and that's where I 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: did a deep dive into the Red Green Alliance, Communism 50 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 4: and fundamental Islam, and you'll see how they evolve and 51 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: kind of roam around the world together, separate but working 52 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 4: together a lot of the times. That's why you see 53 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: the same people protesting for this thing against ice, also 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: protests in the name of the Palestinians and those types 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 4: of things, and none of them have ever been anywhere 56 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 4: or associated with the people that they're protesting for. But 57 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: I think the bottom line is Aaron is that these 58 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 4: people are organized. They're not just a group small group 59 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 4: of people that live in Minneapolis. There are people that 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 4: are organized, They are funded. They are force multipliers where 61 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: they go in with a group like a special forces group, 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 4: and then they end up using the indigenous folks like 63 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: special forces in another country, but we're talking about the 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: people that live there, and they ratchet things up in 65 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: an organized and violent fashion. And when you look at 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: the term of terrorism, the use of force intimidation and 67 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: violence for a political claim. 68 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: They've reached that threshold. 69 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: And when you look at the definition of insurrection, they've. 70 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: Reached that threshold as well. 71 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: And I think President Trump would be in his right 72 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: to send out the troops now and go against these people, 73 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: because we are not looking at normal citizens who are 74 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: her peace loving and feel as though the federal government 75 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: has overstepped their boundaries. 76 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: That is not what this is all about. 77 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: It's about obstructing and eventually overthrowing the government. 78 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: If they'd like to see a protest really on behalf 79 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: of human rights and against tyranny, they should look to Iran. 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: None of them are protesting for the Iranians, and I 81 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: want to ask you about Iran soon. But sticking with 82 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: this now, you mentioned President Donald Trump sending in the troops. 83 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: What would that look like? Would they just go in 84 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: and clean it up? 85 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: It would be swift, no nonsense, no holds barred essentially. 86 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 4: Well, so what I would like to see is that 87 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: they use the military as a blocking force and not 88 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: just to block people out. But I believe that all 89 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: of these individuals are they roam the country, They're moved 90 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: from point to point. Like I said, funded equipped, supplied, trained, 91 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 4: and organized. So I would like to see the military 92 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 4: use an unconventional manner. So wherever ICE is going, that 93 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: the militaries used to block those people in and then 94 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 4: they're all arrested for being a part of an insurrection 95 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: and identified. 96 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: And I think if we didn't just. 97 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 4: Put flood the area with military or ice, if we 98 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: also flooded that area with DOJ attorneys, what they could 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: do is start a processing because I know in the 100 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 4: FBI in New York, when we would do a large 101 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: scale mob arrest or something like that, we would have 102 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: the attorneys there in the processing area where we would 103 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 4: take them through. They would be processed by us, and 104 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: then they would be identified and basically everything except for 105 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 4: the judge going and doing their first appearance would be 106 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 4: done there and then they're pushed over and they go 107 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: over to the courthouse and go through their first appearance. 108 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 4: I think we should have a flood of DJ attorneys. 109 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: The military should be used as a blocking force, and 110 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 4: then all of these individuals should not allow them to 111 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 4: escape that area, but they should be arrested and they 112 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 4: should be identified and if there's no charges, they can stick. 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 4: Now they'll know their names but if the chargers do stick, 114 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 4: if they do stick air, and this is what's important, 115 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 4: is there will be too many of these people being 116 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 4: processed for their groups to get ahead of with their 117 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 4: leftist attorneys. 118 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely brilliant, and you're right, it feels 119 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: like at the moment, no one's paying a price for 120 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: any of this. And it's not about freedom of speech. 121 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: It's not about your right to protest, as we ascertained, 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: and we both agree, they ain't protesters. They are criminal agitators, 123 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: and more so, they're obstructing law enforcement in their line 124 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: of work. 125 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: Law enforcement that we the citizens of this country agree to, 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 4: that our representatives agree to, and that is needed because 127 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: the leftists who get in charges. You can see this 128 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 4: has happened. 129 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: Is appalling, Jonathan. What is he on? 130 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 4: I don't know, Probably the same thing that the people 131 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 4: that are out there raging. Yesterday I saw a very large, 132 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: overweight lady with the cane somehow be able to fight 133 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 4: against the ice agents, fall on the ground and get up. 134 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: So she's either faking it or she's on something. In 135 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 4: My contacts say that these people are they are on math, 136 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 4: anthhetamine or speed or something that they're being given that 137 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 4: amps them up past the point of sanity. 138 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them don't need help to get 139 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: past the point of sanity. 140 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: But I know exactly what you're saying. I wanted to 141 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: ask you. 142 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan made some comments a couple of days ago, 143 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: and he kind of insinuated that the majority of Americans 144 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: now look at ICE and see them. 145 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: As you know, these masked thugs. I disagree. I give 146 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: more credit to Americans. 147 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: I think most people see this for what it is, 148 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: and I look at the number of people who voted 149 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: in President Trump gives me faith that most people in 150 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: your country have common sense. I don't think anyone's looking 151 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: at this and thinking Ice are the thugs, apart from 152 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: those who want a weapon eyes, that idea and that narrative, 153 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: and those on the left who are that be crazy. 154 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 4: What do you think I think Joe Rogan, Well, I 155 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: think he has great intentions. I'll give him that, and 156 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: he seems to be a pretty smart individual. But he's 157 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: a libertarian, and libertarians, in my view, are almost worse 158 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 4: for this nation than leftists because they get in the 159 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 4: way with their nonsensical and overthought argumentative comments and bloviating. 160 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 4: They get to a point where they make comments just 161 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: because they have a platform, and so they don't really 162 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 4: come to a conclusion in their comments. It's just their opinion, 163 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 4: and I think that's probably what happened here. I don't 164 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 4: know anyone, and I know a fair amount of people. 165 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 4: I don't know anybody who is against ICE doing their 166 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: job and in this manner that think that they're masked thugs. 167 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: These guys wouldn't even have masks on if it was 168 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 4: for the left docks in marketing their family yeah, and 169 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: their families. 170 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: Yes, that's insanity. 171 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: I want to move on to the situation in Iran 172 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: at the moment and obviously evolving changing a lot. We've 173 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: just seen what happened in Venezuela, one of the most 174 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: incredible military operations. 175 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 2: You're a form of seal. 176 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Before we get onto I run, I'd love to get 177 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: your reaction to what I just seem like absolute perfection, 178 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: the way that it was carried out. 179 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: What goes into something. 180 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: Like that, Well, first of all, you have to have 181 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 4: a leader, and I want people to understand I'm a 182 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 4: big supporter of President Trump. However, I don't look at 183 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: President Trump as a savior and I'm not a sicker fan. 184 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: I think the individual that he is is an incredible leader. 185 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 3: He has a great work ethic, but he has this. 186 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: Incredible sense of where force is needed at the time 187 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 4: that it's needed. I mean, if it was me, I 188 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: probably would have jumped the gun a thousand times for 189 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 4: many of these things before he does. But with Venezuela, 190 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 4: you know, about eleven years ago, I was down there 191 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 4: with Vice Media doing a protection detail for them, and 192 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: when they found out I was a former FBI agent, 193 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 4: myself and the film crew we were detained for about 194 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 4: three hours and it was a very intense situation. Then 195 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 4: they followed us the rest of the time we were there. 196 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 4: I was there for three days and one of the 197 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 4: things I got to see was one the nasty and 198 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 4: deadly nature that their government officials have, but two, how 199 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 4: they took a nation that was amazing, I mean amazing 200 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 4: and beautiful people, and they took it to a level 201 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 4: where what the mob does is when they get into 202 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: something like a business, they will burn it straight down 203 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 4: into the ground and collect all the money they can. 204 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: They don't really care about the people that work there. 205 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 4: So Maduro and Chavez before him, they took that nation 206 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: and drove it straight in the ground. So middle class 207 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: people are now poorer than people that in the inner 208 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: city here in this country, and danger and violence beyond belief. 209 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: Twenty five murders and some of these brios twenty five 210 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 4: murders a week. The country has over twenty five thousand 211 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 4: murders a year that go unsolved all the while. They 212 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: could be one of the richest nations in the world, 213 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 4: just like Saudi Arabia or anybody else because the amount 214 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 4: of oil that they have. So I think the present 215 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 4: getting doing what he did was incredible for that reason, 216 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: but also because Venezuela is where the Iranians, the Chinese 217 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: and the Russians have a foothold on this region, along 218 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 4: with the spread of narco terrorists and violence, and so 219 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: the people have to understand this is not about just 220 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: about oil. It is about the oil because they're funding 221 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 4: all these nations with that oil. Also, we used to 222 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 4: buy oil from them and that was a big supplier, 223 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 4: so it is about that, but it's also about the 224 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 4: people of Venezuela, about the this region falling to Russia, 225 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 4: China and our n and I think when you look 226 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 4: at the totality of the circumstances. 227 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: I don't think. My personal opinion is that I like 228 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: what we did. I love it. 229 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 4: It was flawless because they trained all the forces trained 230 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 4: to be that way, and that shows you how great 231 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 4: we are. However, that country is not an ideologue country, 232 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 4: that's not a religious based country, and the people want 233 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 4: to be free. I would like to see our troops, 234 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: our agencies go further and get rid of all of 235 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: that top echelon and help the people of Venezuela start over. 236 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: And I feel the same way about our n. 237 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 238 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's move on to around and just on the oiler, 239 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: I made the point I couldn't care less if America hordes, it, drinks, 240 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: it bathes in it, if it stops the enemies of 241 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: the West getting access to it and using it to 242 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: cause harm, then could not care less. 243 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: Iran cared deeply clearly as you do as well. 244 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: There have been a lot of red lines drawn, a 245 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: lot of those have been crossed. We still haven't seen 246 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: any military action from the US physically. What do you 247 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: think is going to occur, What do you think should occur. 248 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 4: It's such a sticky situation because if the United States 249 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 4: gets involved too quickly, even though thousands of people are dying. 250 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: I mean that's I look at this the same way 251 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 4: I looked at our own revolution against the British, where 252 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 4: the French eventually got involved. In a lot of ways, 253 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 4: France was a savior for the United States, and had 254 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 4: France not got involved when they did, who knows where 255 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: how this could have gone, you know, with the United States. 256 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: So I look at also World War two and how 257 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: the United States was very reluctant to get involved in 258 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 4: the things and probably should have gotten involved a lot sooner. However, 259 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: they let that society in that region take care of 260 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: much of it until we get involved where we push 261 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: it over the edge. And I love free people, and 262 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 4: I love the thought of the Iranians becoming free again 263 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: they were free in seventy nine. And stepping in too 264 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: quickly it's hard for people to understand this, but if 265 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 4: you step in too quickly, you can actually hurt the 266 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: process of captive men becoming free. And it's their fight. 267 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: They need to continue in that fight. But I think eventually, 268 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 4: either we support them some way, shape or form through supplies, 269 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: or we go in and make very specific direct hits 270 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: to further their cost which is what happened with us 271 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 4: in the Revolutionary War. 272 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's again everything complex, isn't it? 273 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: And I probably, like you you as talking about Venezuela, 274 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: you would have wanted to just go straight in. 275 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: You know. 276 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: The thought of people on the ground they're dying makes 277 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: me feel physically ill. I think they've shown time and 278 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: time again that they're willing to give their life for freedom, 279 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: and we know that President Trump has given them enormous 280 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: amounts of hope with posts not just directly to them, 281 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: but about the situation. What worries me now is other 282 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: Arab nations who have come in and you know, having 283 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: their say, And I just I feel like a deal 284 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: with the Ayatola, we can't do another deal. 285 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: It would it would give him. 286 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,479 Speaker 1: Another life and another shot at making their lives. 287 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what. 288 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: More going on than we as civilians. No, okay. 289 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: Otherwise, Iran, as we saw with Israel attacking them, and 290 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 4: then so Israel when they finally said, you know, all 291 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: holds are off, We're going full speed ahead. They demolished Hamas, 292 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: They pretty much demolished Hasbla, which is those are Iran. 293 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: That's how Iran fights. 294 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 4: And then they took the fight to Iran, and they 295 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 4: showed that on that Iran is a paper tiger when 296 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 4: it comes to conventional warfare. When it comes to proxies 297 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: and the unethical behavior of sticking fighters in with schools 298 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: and hospitals, Iran excels at that because they're unethical enough 299 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 4: to do that. When it comes to conventional warfare, they 300 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: they're terrible. And so the people when we got involved 301 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: and we bombed over there, the people saw that as 302 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: this is the time to strike, because it showed them 303 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,479 Speaker 4: that the regime. 304 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: Is not as powerful as they say. 305 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: But I think the one criticism I can have of 306 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: that is that we I believe we could have gone 307 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 4: further the nuclear program. We struck that, but I think 308 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: we couldn't demolish their military in a lot of ways. 309 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 4: But here's where I think there may be more going on. 310 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: I don't think Iran stands by itself. I think there's 311 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 4: other nations, other powerful, wealthy groups that are involved with 312 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 4: Iran and prop Iran up. Otherwise, how could they have 313 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: even existed if they were that week? I mean, it 314 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 4: took literally two weeks for Israel to go in and 315 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: decimate a lot of their stuff and then for us 316 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: to go in one night and they weren't a threat anymore. 317 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 4: So I think there's more going on there as far 318 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: as pumping them up and who's benefiting from it. 319 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that entirely. 320 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: And I would say to people you know who think, oh, 321 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: it's you know, I want America first. This regime has 322 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: its evil tentacles in almost every bit of destruction and 323 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: terror globally. It has the blood of Americans on its hands. 324 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: It had a bounty out on your president for people 325 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: in Australia. It was solely responsible for the blowing up 326 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: of his synagogue. 327 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: We kicked out its ambassador. 328 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't think we should have ever had the ambassador 329 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: because it's not a legitimate regime. But I mean, everyone 330 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: in the world who believes in the things that idea 331 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: would benefit from the end of this regime. 332 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 2: But it's how best to. 333 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: Go about that in a way that best serves the 334 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: people on the ground who are giving their lives. 335 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: And can I say one of the things yeah about 336 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 4: this is that when you look at all three of 337 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 4: the things that we've talked about so far, the people 338 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 4: that are rioting in Minneapolis, that are that are committing 339 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: these crimes and insurrection. When you look at Venezuela and 340 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 4: that regime and how they demolished the life that these 341 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 4: middle class and comfortable people had in that nation, and 342 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: when you look at Iran and for how the world 343 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: was terrorized by this myth for since nineteen seventy nine, 344 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: many many years, and now the people there have suffered 345 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 4: because of that. What you're looking at is that I 346 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 4: use this term a lot, but their paper tigers, the 347 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 4: people in Minneapolis, they have attorneys behind them, they have 348 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 4: funding behind them, and they know how to build an 349 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: image through propaganda and small acts, and then when we 350 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 4: don't stand up to them, they get more powerful. The 351 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 4: same thing happened in Venezuela with Chavez, and the same 352 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: thing happened in Iran. And I think what President Trump 353 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 4: has shown is that by doing these operations that he's done, 354 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 4: he's shown that there's really it's a thin brick wall 355 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 4: and it has no mortar, and if you just it 356 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 4: looks like a big brick wall, but it's only this 357 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: wide and if you kick. 358 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: It all analogy and that's why I think just one 359 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: sweet little strike from our good friends in America at 360 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: the right places at the right time would be very helpful. 361 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: But I am nowhere near as seasoned as you in 362 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: this space. Finally, do you have hope? I mean I 363 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: look around the world at the moment and I think, 364 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: oh my lord, I could not fight any harder. I 365 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: know people like you could not fight any harder. Every 366 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: time I start to feel like there's hope, I get 367 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: sorely disappointed. Mind you, America is much more hopeful, much 368 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: more hopeful. 369 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts? 370 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: You know? 371 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 4: The Bible tells us that faith is the substance of 372 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 4: things hoped for the evidence of things unseen, and I 373 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 4: truly believe. 374 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: Can you say that again for me? 375 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 4: Against is the substance of things hoped for and the 376 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 4: evidence of things unseen. I love that when we look 377 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: at President Trump, there there's never been a leader in 378 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 4: our lifetime like this man. And while I think he's 379 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 4: I think he was proven before he got in that 380 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 4: he's an expert at business but also at monitoring situations 381 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: and where most people fall backwards, even when he got 382 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 4: knocked down, he just stepped forward and he continued. 383 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: To climb and to promote and to push forward. He's 384 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 3: a great father. 385 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 4: He's raised, good, ethical, clean people who aren't like these 386 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 4: characters that are out there are the Wall Street protesters, 387 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 4: some of who I met years ago when I was 388 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 4: in the bureau, who are nasty, rich kids who smell 389 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: terrible and have every iPhone product that you can have. Right, So, 390 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 4: my hope or my faith is in God, and I 391 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: believe that I believe that President Trump is anointed in 392 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 4: a way that his decisions are being guided for timing 393 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 4: and effect, and so the substance of the things I 394 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 4: hope for is not just what looks good or feels good. 395 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: I think that there's proof here when you look at 396 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 4: how he acts and reacts that he has an upper hand, 397 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 4: and so the evidence of things that aren't seeing of 398 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 4: what could come. I think he has the ability to 399 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 4: choose when to do these things. My only worry is 400 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 4: that people around him that are pulled politically minded will 401 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 4: often get in the way of his ability to make 402 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 4: these sound decisions when they need to be made, because 403 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 4: politically they're scary. And but I don't think he has 404 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 4: a I don't think he has a small brick wall 405 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: around him. 406 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 3: I think he has an iron wall around him. 407 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 4: And I think if the political people stepped back and said, 408 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: you know, everything he does, it's it's unconventional. There's no 409 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 4: There may be a reaction, but there's no action by 410 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 4: the opposition that really does anything. So let's let him 411 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 4: do what needs to be done. 412 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: One here beautifully said, you're amazing, Thank you so so much. 413 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: Where can my audience read your books, listen to your 414 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: podcast find you? 415 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 3: Well, let's see here the book. I thought I had 416 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 3: a copy of it. 417 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: I don't have a copy of it. 418 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 4: Right here with me, sheep no more of the Art 419 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: of Awareness and Attack Survival. That is the book, and 420 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 4: it shows people how to look at themselves, their lives 421 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 4: or homes or churches, their countries from an attacker's point 422 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 4: of view, so that you can figure out how to 423 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 4: basically surveil yourself and build a target package on you 424 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 4: so that you can then turn around and effectively eliminate 425 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 4: vulnerabilities or mitigate those vulnerabilities where you can't eliminate them. 426 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 4: And so, you know, take the beach there in Australia 427 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 4: that was hit. If people had this mindset, they could 428 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: have escaped a lot of those things are been aware 429 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 4: that it's a possibility, and that's the way that this 430 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 4: book helps you to see things from the attackers, so 431 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: you can turn around and. 432 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 3: Be the defender. 433 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 4: And they can find that on Amazon everywhere else. And 434 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: then I'm all over social media. Jonathan T. Gilliam, You'll 435 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 4: see the beard. There's another Jonathan Gillim out there that's 436 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 4: a social media builder or whatever with a beard. 437 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 3: But you'll see the difference. One's masculine, one's not. 438 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: Jonathan brilliant. 439 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, say so much for your time, really appreciate 440 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: your Journey's here and the. 441 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and keep doing your work as well. 442 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 2: Legend. 443 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, I've spent some time with 444 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: Lara and Eric Trump, and I can assure you they 445 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: do not smell See's spot on. 446 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 2: His children are queen amazing people. They are, He's amazing. 447 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: He does not miss such an incredible human being who 448 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: has basically served. 449 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: His nation his whole life. 450 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: You guys are serving my nation right now by watching 451 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: and listening, and I am very grateful for it. 452 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: Please share if you found this episode interesting. Ah, there's 453 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: so much more to come. Can't wait to see you 454 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: back in the studio on Monday. Lots of love,