1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Who's telling the truth. You're getting two very distinct sides 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to healthcare in the United States of America. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: They can't both be right. Somebody's not telling the truth. 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: If your health insurance premiums keep on going up. This 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: interview is going to explain exactly why, and it's not 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: what they're telling you. 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to. 8 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Straighten it all out and be very direct about it, 9 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: very easy to understand. Senator Ron Johnson, Republican the Great 10 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: State of Wisconsin joins me to break down how Obamacare 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: quietly turned health insurance into a cash machine for insurance 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: companies paid for by you guessed at you. Health insurance 13 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: companies didn't complain much in nine and o ten, Remember 14 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: why not? Because the government was making us by something 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: that they sell. And now the ACA subsidies that everybody's 16 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: arguing about, the health insurance companies stand to lose a 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: lot of money. And again, those subsidies aren't helping you, 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: they're helping the insurance companies. One insurance company's stock rose 19 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: over eleven hundred percent since Obamacare. We're going to tell 20 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: you exactly who that was. And premiums are up one 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy percent. This effects we tirees, families, people 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: about to hit Medicare age. Is at you, some facing 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year in premiums. Keep it right 24 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: here because once you understand the system, you will never 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: ever look at healthcare the same way again. Flooding around 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: social media, I see a bunch of people on the left, 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: especially in Congress, that are posting a bunch of videos 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: that are Republicans had all this time to fix the 29 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: ACA subsidies, and they literally want your premiums to go up, 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: and they want to take your healthcare away because they 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: just don't like people, which doesn't make any sense. We've 32 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: got Ron Johnson on Juna loves people. It's a US senator, 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: great state of Wisconsin. Ron, How are you good to 34 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: see again? 35 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: I'm doing well, but pretty frustrated by ask how successful 36 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: in their allies in the media have been at blaming 37 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: Republicans for what is the fault of Obamacare? 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Well, Obamacare was pushed on us. 39 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: He lied. 40 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: We know that. He said, if you like your doctor, 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: keep your doctor, Lie, like your plan, keep your plan. 42 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: Lie you're going to save twenty five hundred a year. 43 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: Lie. 44 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: In fact, everything has exploded as you and I expected 45 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: it would, because when you take over one sixth of 46 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: the economy and give it to the government, it's probably 47 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: not going to be successful. So how do we do 48 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: a better job? Listen, I am all ears, you're a 49 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: great business mind. How do we do a better job 50 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: of making the American people understand we're in this position 51 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: because of the Democrats? 52 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you have to go through the 53 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: problem solving process. First step is admitting you have a problem. 54 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: Democrats aren't. They're just trying to mask over the failure 55 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: that Obamacare is. You have to properly define it. So 56 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: let's start by properly defining it. People have to understand 57 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: that Obamacare primarily impacts the roughly twenty four million people 58 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: we can talk about that. It's probably six million of 59 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: those are phantom accounts, but we'll just go twenty four 60 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: million people change and then single able bodied adults on 61 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: Medicaid expansion, the Obamacare expansion of Medicaid Obamacare buy and 62 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: large does not impact people on Medicare, Employer's posited Care, 63 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 2: normal Medicaid and VA. Okay, the particularly what we're talking 64 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: about now is this enhanced subs It has no impact 65 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 2: on that whatsoever. Now O Bomacare has had impacted all 66 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: of those areas because it's led to a dramatic consolidation 67 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: within the health care industry. Insurance, hospital associations, PBMs, drug 68 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: I mean drug companies getting a huge consolidation. And you 69 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: can see where the money's flowing by the increase of 70 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: stock prices. United health Care the largest health insurance company. 71 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: Their stock has increased seventy seven percent since the passages 72 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: of Obamacare. Okay, so you see the money's just flowing 73 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: in there. Paces are getting screwed, insurance companies getting richer, 74 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: Everybody in that health care industry is getting richer. I 75 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: understand there's not one incentive. In fact, every incentive in 76 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: our current health care industry is for prices to go up. 77 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: Everybody's getting a cut, everybody's making percentage. The best analogy 78 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: in that is, if you're a realtort and you may 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: contemp sent off the sale, you'd much rather sell that 80 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars house for a million bucks, right, 81 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: so you can try and talk to the customer into 82 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: paying a million dollars for that one hundred thousand dollars house. 83 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: That's happening throughout Hell's healthcare. Okay, now, let's talk exactly 84 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: about these in hand substies. These were passed by Democrats 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: solely during the pandemic as a temporary increased in hand 86 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: subsidy over normal obombingcare substas. They were scheduled to expire 87 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: by Democrats. The put them has had no hand in this. 88 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: They sched them to expire at the end of twenty 89 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: twenty five. Now, the only people of three hundred and 90 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: forty million Americans affected by these in hand subsidies are 91 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: the twenty four million. It's really eighteen million, because six 92 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 2: million those are probably phantom. Right, So we'll say roughly 93 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: the twenty million people on these changes, we'll go to 94 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: eighteen million. Of the eighteen million real people on these changes, 95 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: more than sixteen million. They just revert to Obamacare's original subsidies, 96 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: which which means instead of a maximum of being expected 97 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: to pay eight and a half cent of your salary 98 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: if you're at forum set of poverty line, now you 99 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: have to pay nine to a half per cent before 100 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: a substate kick cent and gud that's variable up and down. 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: That from zero to four percent of poverty the people 102 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: losing substas are above four hundred percent of poverty line. 103 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: They were never given a subsidy under normal Obamacare. They 104 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: were given a substy by Democrats during the pandemic as 105 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: a temporary relief. Okay, one point six billion people. That 106 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: that's the people dramatically impacted by the loss of the 107 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: hand substies. And honestly, I feel sympathetic with that group 108 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,119 Speaker 2: because many of these people during the pandemic were lured 109 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: into retirement by that subsidy. Their premiums have skyrocketed because 110 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: of Obamacare. Because of the government's interference to the marketplace. 111 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: Some of these individuals close close to medicare age. They 112 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: don't call right for Medicare. They're literally facing premiums Joe 113 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: over thirty thousand dollars a year because of Obamacare. The 114 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: normal market would never have premiums that high. This is 115 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: all caused by a bombcare, which the result is I 116 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: feel sympathetic with that group. You can literally address that 117 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: group for a couple of billion dollars a year, not 118 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: hundreds of billions. A couple billion dollars. I'm happy to 119 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: do that. I'm actually talking to Democrats centers who are 120 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: a little more reasonable about this, who in exchange for 121 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: taking care of that group would put in strong anti 122 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: fraud provisions. The problem is Democrats and their allies and 123 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: the media have so twisted this debate again, getting Americans 124 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: to believe that because Republicans won't act, everybody's going to 125 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: experience increased costs. No, the extent that you are experiencing 126 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: increased costs and healthcare and you will be it's because 127 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: of Obamacare and the consolidation, the destruction of that individual market. 128 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: It's Obamacare causing that. The other thing in Republicans they're 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: doing as we're just saying, no, we're not willing to 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: perpetuate the massive fraud. Remember that six million people I'm 131 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: talking about the phantom accounts. Yeah, that represents about twenty 132 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: to thirty billion dollars of fraud each year. Wow. So, 133 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: because because the enhanced SUBSI has created these no premium policies, 134 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: you've got about six million fandom policies. Unscrupulous agents have 135 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: signed people up without their knowledge. They get the commissioned, 136 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: the insurance companies get the premiums and they're no claim. 137 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: No claim policies have doubled from about twenty per cent 138 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: to forty percent. So insurance companies are making out like bandits. 139 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: They're agents, are making commissions signing up people that will 140 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: make no claims because they don't even know they have 141 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: the insurance. They've pocketed the insurance premium, and the American 142 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: taxpayers left holding the bag. And anybody who wants to 143 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: just a clean extent show of those hand subsis is 144 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: willing to perpetuate that massive fraud. And this is separate 145 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: from the Somalian fraud on Medicaid that's crying in. 146 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota, right, it's Ron Johnson, US Senator, great state of Wisconsin. 147 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate you spelling it out like you just did. 148 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: I want people watching and listening to understand there was 149 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: no pushback when Obamacare was being shoved on our throats 150 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: in twenty two, thousand and nine and twenty ten. There 151 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: was no pushback by the insurance companies. That should have 152 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: been a bell going off over our heads. Holy mackerel, 153 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: Why isn't the insurance company complaining that the federal governments 154 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: taking over medical care? Well, because they all got paid 155 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: big time. Like you said, one thousand percent increase in profits. 156 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: That's a good thing to shut up about. And this 157 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: one the ACA subsidies, that doesn't go to the individual. 158 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: It goes to the insurance companies to keep the individual. 159 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: And it's the one point six that you're talking about 160 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: that will be gravely affected by this. But the insurance 161 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: companies are still being quiet. In fact, they're probably lobbying 162 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: to keep the two hundred and fifty billion dollars a 163 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: year or whatever the hell it happens to be in 164 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: these in these enhanced subsidies. Again, great job explaining that 165 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: just now. I'm going to put this out everywhere, but 166 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: the people watching and listening other shows, I need to 167 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: get this out to them as well. They have to 168 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: understand and correct me if I'm wrong. These subsidies, as 169 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: you said, put in place by the Democrats, sunset the 170 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: end of this year by the Democrats. But they enhance 171 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: the pockets and the bank accounts of the insurance companies. 172 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: They're not individual right. 173 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: Correct. Again, it's called a premium task credit, but it 174 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: doesn't flow through the taxpayer, goes right to the insurance company. 175 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: Right because insurance the insurance company didn't squawk about this 176 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: because they realized that the federal government is the easiest 177 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: consumer to fleece. Yes, and they've been fleecing them ever 178 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: since obama Care was in twenty fourteen. Again they're making 179 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: out like Bandits of the top seven insurance carriers that 180 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 2: the lowest increase in stock price is something like four 181 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: hundred percent. Okay, it's amazing the Unite Health support the 182 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: stock price. Again, investors aren't stupid. They see the money 183 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 2: flowing from the American tax player into the coffers of 184 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: the insurance companies and their shareholders. So yeah, they're not 185 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: complaining at all. But again, and it's so important to 186 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: point out the enhanced subsidies. The vast majority of those 187 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: people losing the enhanced substies just referred to Obamacare's original substeas. 188 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,239 Speaker 2: If that's not good enough, blame Obama, blame the Democrats. 189 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: But again, that whole Rube Goldberg contraption Obamacare, that is 190 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: what's caused premiums of skyrocket. It's hard to, you know, 191 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: definitive advanswer on this, but one analysis state by state 192 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: is premiums have increased on the exchanges on average one 193 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty nine percent since the information implementation of Obamacare. 194 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: Inflation's up thirty nine percent, so premiums up four point 195 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: three times sirrate of inflation since implementation of Obamacare. That's 196 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: because of Obamacare. It's not because anything Republicans did. This 197 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: is Democrats Rube Goldberg's scheme. This a miserable failure, and 198 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: all Democrats want to do is to throw one hundreds 199 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: of billions of dollars to mask what a miserable failure 200 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: Obamacare has been. And we're not even talking about, for example, 201 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: disabled children being displaced by able bodied adults in terms 202 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: of getting things like home health care and other Medicaid services. 203 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 1: Some of that was actually going on adult daycares in Minnesota. 204 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: Part of that fraud there, and there is a lot 205 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: of fraud. I'm glad that you're going after it, but Ron, 206 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: I've got to ask you to be very direct with 207 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: those who are watching listening who think they're talking about 208 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: raising my premiums. Because everybody now believes their premiums are 209 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: going up, You and I in this segment will not 210 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: be able to convince them that their premiums aren't going up. 211 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: So for those who think something's changing for them on 212 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: December thirty first or into January first, what is the replacement? 213 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: Because that's always the retort, Okay, well, what do you 214 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: Republicans want to do about it? What does Trump want 215 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: to do about it? Because now we're hearing fix Obamacare, 216 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: when for years we were told we're going to get 217 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: rid of Obamacare. So what is the fix for those 218 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: who think they're going to be affected? How are you 219 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: if you had the red button and you pressed it 220 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: and all the Democrats agreed, Ron Johnson, what would that 221 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: look like? What's the fix? 222 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying since I got elected. We 223 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: need to repair the damages down to Biomeacare, transition to 224 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: a system that works. What's the root causer problems? The 225 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: third party payer system, the fact that nobody pays for 226 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: their health care services or their providers. You pay insurance, 227 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: you pay your taxes, but nobody, not the doctors, not 228 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: the nurses, not the patients, know what anything costs, and 229 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: we don't care because you're not paying for it directly. 230 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: So the solution is bring consumersm back into healthcare, bring 231 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: the benefits of free market competition back into healthcare. And again, 232 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: I competed in the private sect for thirty years. Because 233 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: I had to compete, my prices were lower, my quality 234 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: was higher, my customer service was higher. That's what we 235 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 2: want in health care, that's what the free market provides. 236 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: But because we've driven consumers out of there, we're not 237 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: getting any of it. Here's an example. Rick Scott had 238 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: a great hearing in his aging committee. Had a surgeon 239 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: from Oklahoma that set up a cash only surgical center. 240 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: It attracted a lot of top flight surgeons. They had 241 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: to figure out what they're gonna charge for these things, 242 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: because again surgeons didn't know in the passes, just the 243 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: bean counters in the back room. So the surgeons got 244 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: together set up the surgical center to term their own prices. 245 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: You know, here's the supplies we needs, here's much, here's 246 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: how long it's gonna take this running. We charge for 247 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: my surgeronyes what we can charge for nurses. Their prices 248 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: end up being ten percent a tenth of what the 249 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: surgeries cost in hospitals. That is the that's the vision 250 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: of what we could save if we brought consumers back 251 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 2: into the equation, if we actually made a competitive system. 252 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: Now understand all the providers they've been making out like bandits. 253 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 2: They're not gonna like this system. They're not gonna want 254 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: to compete right now, they've gotten not a complete monopoly, 255 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: but they have all these oligopolies. Kind of wink with 256 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: not going yeah, guys again, I'm gonna make much more 257 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: a lot more money off of tenth thousand dollars hospital 258 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: room or a ten thousand dollars surgery than I am off. 259 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: I mean, think, look at your hospital bill. Sometime I 260 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: was on a recent radio show. The host had a 261 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: friend who had a normal delivery. Normal delivery, it costs 262 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: fifty one thousand dollars. Take a look at your hospital bill. 263 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: What do they charge you for a hospital room? And 264 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: then compare that to what you pay for in a 265 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: you know, Hampton suite or the highest, you know, the 266 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: five star hotel. It's a fraction of a hospital charge. 267 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: Why it's because they get away with it. It's because you, 268 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: as a consumer, you're not paying for it. You're not 269 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: asking the question. You're not going to doctor's office and 270 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: going how much is the fifteen minute is going to cost? 271 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: How much is that procedure is going to cost? How 272 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: much does that test? You never asked do I really 273 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: need that test? I just had that last week? Why 274 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: do I need another one? If if we were real consumers, 275 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: we'd be asking those questions, but right now we're just sheep. 276 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: We're just going in there. Well, got to have another test. 277 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: I'm not paying for it. I don't care. 278 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Does funding h HSAS put me back in charge. I've 279 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: got an HSA, but I still don't know what the 280 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: what the things cost? I mean, how does that put 281 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: the ball back in my quarter or or put the 282 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: onus of I want to use you, or I'd rather 283 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: use this guy if it's cheaper or whatever. How do 284 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: I start paying attention to that other than saying, tell 285 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: me how much it costs. 286 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: So, because Americans now pretty well are in the habit 287 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: of not having to pay for things, you know, HSA's 288 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: is the vehicle you need to get them transitioning to 289 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: paying for things. But you have to give them start 290 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: paying for things. So we've got a transition where the insurance. 291 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: By the way, Obamacare policies right now before a bombacare, 292 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: those are called cast traffic care plans, and they were 293 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: dirt treat cheap. Obamacare offers cast traphic dirt cast trophic plans, 294 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: but they're grotesquely expensive. So you go to insurance that's 295 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: actually insurance like a car. You don't get first al 296 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: of coverage on a car. You pay for the dinks, 297 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: you pay for the maintenance right, you pay for the 298 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: all changes totally, and you only have insurance case get 299 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: an accident. Health insurance ought to be the same way. 300 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: So the consumers are actually paying for that doctor visit, 301 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: they're paying for those procedures, they're paying for those tests, 302 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: doing it out of HSA again because people are saying, well, 303 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: can't pay for that yourself, so someos got to fund 304 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: their HSA as their employers. By the way, I was 305 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: doing that back before I ran for your office. We 306 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: were funding hsas to get our employees to pay more 307 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: for that to start demanding the price transparency. There been 308 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: playing places that have passed laws for price transparency, but 309 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: it doesn't make any difference. You can post it on 310 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: the wall, but as long as nobody's paying for the 311 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: out of their own pocket, they don't care. So you 312 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: have to make consumers pay for things out of their 313 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: own pocket. Be frugal. Set up those hssays. What you 314 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: don't spend during your working years can go to retirement funds. 315 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: So HSA's is going to be the transition vehicle. 316 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: Well would it makes sense right now. Is there enough 317 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: money right now to fund the HSA's for the one 318 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: point six million that will be directly affected that you mentioned, 319 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: Is that money less than the money spent on the 320 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: ACA subsidies. 321 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: Well, again, for that one point six million people, they're 322 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: just screwed because their close retirement, their premiums are just 323 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: grotesquely expensive, I mean over thirty thousand dollars, so funny 324 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: hsays for them probably wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. 325 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: You just have to figure out how do we subsize 326 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: those premiums until we can actually act a full blown 327 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: system that again, you're going to have to dismantle Obamacare. 328 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: It's such an awful Rube Goldberg design. Yeah, it's it 329 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: was set up, Joe, by the way, it was set 330 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: up to fail. It was set up to fail so 331 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: that we go to a single payer system, which would 332 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: be worse than what we've got. 333 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: It is Ron Johnson, US Senator, Great State of Wisconsin. 334 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: Let's quickly talk about Minnesota fraud. Fraud in relation to 335 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: medicaid is involved in that. Also, let's feed the hungry, 336 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: which they never fed anybody allegedly. There were also adult 337 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: daycares that you alluded to earlier, we're talking about potentially 338 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: I had Liz Collin on recently from Alpha News in Minnesota. 339 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: We're talking about potentially five to eight to ten billion 340 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: dollars in fraud, and noybody's going wasn't me, wasn't me, 341 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: wasn't me? What do we know about that? And I mean, 342 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: is there any way that the governor of the state 343 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: didn't know that the money coming from the federal government 344 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: to assist people in that state to eat and to 345 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: get healthcare, that a lot of that money was being stolen? 346 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: Is there any way he didn't know? 347 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: First of all, I think we know that the governor 348 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: and other Democratic elected officials were complicit in the fraud. 349 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: They absolutely looked the other way. Okay. The other thing 350 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: that I want to point out is the Somalians. Let's 351 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: face it, they're amateurs at this. It might have been 352 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: a pretty well honed scheme, but they're new to this country. 353 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: We made it so easy for them to commit this 354 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: fraud that they're able to do it on a massive scale. 355 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: Point being amateurs, and the reason I'm pointing out we 356 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: have all these non governmental organizations, we have all these programs, 357 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 2: we have all these states like California, they don't check 358 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 2: eligeabi ability. We make it so easy for people to 359 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: commit fraud against federal government programs that I think a 360 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: lot of people are And so I think the other 361 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: thing we can say quite confidently about Minnesota fraud, it 362 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: is just the tip of the iceberg, and and uncovering 363 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: this we're just scratching the surface. 364 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: So we once we uncover exactly what happened in Minnesota, 365 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: is are we likely to find it in many other states, 366 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: like a lot of other states. 367 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: If we look. And that's the problem is it's just 368 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: so massive. I mean, you actually need local prosecutors, you 369 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: need at you know, local elect officials. But again in 370 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: case of Minnesota, you got you got democratic jurisdictions. Their 371 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: main goal is to get more people dependent on government. 372 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: They're not looking for fraud. They want to sign people up. 373 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: They're the ones that aren't enforcing eligibility requirements. So in 374 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: certainly in democrat jurisdiction's got a real problem. I think 375 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: in Republican jurisdiction you probably have more of a crackdown. 376 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: But look at all unfair that's going to be, so 377 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 2: money will just continue to flow out to Democrat jurisdictions, 378 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: and again the whole point. For example, we may medicate 379 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: a dollar for dollar match by and large, so that 380 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: the states had to skin the game the Medicaid expansion 381 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 2: because of Obamacare, that's a one dollar to nine dollars match, 382 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 2: So states had every incentive to sign up people. They 383 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: don't care what frauds occurring because they're getting nine bucks 384 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: for every dollar they invest in the Medicaid expansion. For 385 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: those single body of dots, they're getting nine bucks from 386 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: the federal government. That's why they're assessing provider taxes and 387 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: provider fees, which just illegalized former fraud. It's a scam. 388 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: Ron Who you told me that you told me about 389 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: the nine to one before? Who the hell set that up? 390 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: Why would we ever do that and take eight dollars 391 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: nine dollars from the rest of the country and funnel 392 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: it into some blue state that we're not sure where 393 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: they're spending it. Why would it be what make it 394 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: two to one? Make it one to one? Why is 395 00:20:59,040 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: it nine to one? 396 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: Because Obamacare wanted to make more people depending on government 397 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 2: run healthcare. That's why. It's a simple answer. And they 398 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: knew once those people were there they knew that states 399 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: would start structuring their budgets around the nine to one match. 400 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: That's why we couldn't repeal it. I mean, we have 401 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 2: Republican states. There are very few states that didn't do 402 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: medicating Spanish. I think less than ten. Okay, so the 403 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: vast majority states, including Republican states, Again, why should they 404 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: be the schmucks that don't take part of the largest 405 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: of the federal government. So you literally have Republican states 406 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: as well as Democrat states whose budgets are based on 407 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: the nine to one match, who are are assessing six 408 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: percent provider fees. Then they throw on top of that 409 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: user fees. No, it's sick, Like I say, it's legalized fraud. 410 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: But they're all getting away with it, and it's spend 411 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: so endemic. It's now their budgets are structured out it. 412 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: During the one big beautiful Bill, you know, Rick Scott 413 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: had a great on this couldn't pass it, just would 414 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: I said, wanted to kick to anybody offtion. We said, 415 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: we're not going to register any more people onto that 416 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: nine to one match. If your state and you want 417 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: to provide Medicaid for able bodied adulls, you're going to 418 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: get the same match as we do for a disabled child. 419 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: I mean, think how sick that is for an able 420 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: bodied childless adult who should be working and getting health care. 421 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: From there, we're providing nine dollas for every Dallas State 422 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: spends on a single able bodied adult. We spend about 423 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 2: a dollars thirty three for every dollar they spend on 424 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: a disabled child. That's a sick notion right there. But 425 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: that's current law and we couldn't change it in the 426 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: one big beautiful bill. 427 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: US senator from Wisconsin, it's Ron Johnson. Johnson dot Sendate 428 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: dot gov. Let me just finish on healthcare. So I 429 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: want to get into Jim troop as if we can, 430 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: but I just want to finish on healthcare. Of course, 431 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: illegal aliens are getting Medicaid. Of course they are. I 432 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: know they're not supposed to. I know it's against the 433 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: law to do that, but I think you and I 434 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: talked about it last time, and I want to actually 435 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: make sure that I have it right now. I get 436 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: anything wrong, tell me we are sending Medicaid funds from 437 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: the federal government to places like California. California is assessing 438 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: a tax on healthcare providers. The health care provider pays 439 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: the tax. When California gets the Medicaid money in, they 440 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: give them a tax refund. Now those healthcare providers are 441 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: providing healthcare to illegal aliens, but they're not using direct 442 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: Medicaid money. They're using their tax refund money to pay 443 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: for Medicare, that medical care for illegal aliens. So now 444 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: California can say not one illegal alien gets Medicaid dollars. 445 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: But what they're doing is they're paying back the taxes 446 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: that they charge the health care provider with the Medicaid dollars. 447 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: And the healthcare provider was incentivized then to give health 448 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: care to illegals. Did I get it wrong, Well, it's. 449 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: A master shell game money. Again. The main point is 450 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 2: for every Dallas State spends on an able body adult 451 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: from because of Obamacare Expanse the Medicaid Spanish and they 452 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: get nine dollars as a result, they've instituted provided taxes 453 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: provider fees which are not healthcare. But for every dollar 454 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: that they assess for that the you know, the hospital 455 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 2: and pays them, they get nine dollars in exchange from 456 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: the federal government. So against it's it's it's legalized fraud. 457 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: It's sick. It's cost of federal government. How does the 458 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: business dollars that we don't have. 459 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Is there any doubt on your mind that some illegal 460 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: aliens in California are getting taxpayer paid for healthcare? 461 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: I mean, that's no doubt, no doubt in my mind 462 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: whatsoever of course they are. Again, let's face in California 463 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: is sanctuary state, sanctuary cities because they want all those 464 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 2: illegal immronts coming in for the census, you know, to vote, 465 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: you know, just be counted the censors to give them 466 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: more members of Congress. But they're gonna let them vote 467 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 2: and and and they're going to provide them all kinds 468 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: of benefits basically paid for by Uncle Sam. 469 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: It's Ron Johnson us centered Great State of Wisconsin. I'm 470 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: not familiar with. Is it Jim troopis is that his name? 471 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: He was prosecuted for more? Former Trump lawyer, former Wisconsin judge. 472 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: What happened to this guy? What's going on with it now? 473 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: So for representing President Trump in the twenty twenty election. 474 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: Case, and there were all kinds of irregularities in Wisconsin 475 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: won't go through. I mean, irregularies need to look at 476 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: it is a very legitimate lawsuit again, he advised his 477 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: client to do what Kennedy did back in nineteen sixty 478 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: had an ultimate slave electors. Our Attorney general office said 479 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 2: there's nothing proper about there, and then later on now 480 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: our attorney general is has charged him with felony counts 481 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 2: of forgery, like there was a forgery. They've been persecuting him. 482 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: He's price spent over a million dollars. What was just 483 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: recently revealed they hired a forensic linguistic expert. The judge 484 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: overseeing the case they don't believe wrote the report or 485 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: wrote wrote the the you know, the verdict or not 486 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: the verdict, but the opinion, right, And they went to 487 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: that judge with his evidence and he wouldn't even give 488 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: them a hearing, which they're now saying is a civil 489 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: rights violation because he should have at least had a 490 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: hearing let them present the evidence that that judge didn't 491 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: write that opinion that really denied that it really would 492 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: have dismissed, should have dismissed the case. I mean, this 493 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 2: is a completely bogus case. But it's occurring in Dane County, 494 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: you know, an ultraliberal county in Wisconsin. That's where Madison 495 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 2: is and Judge Trupis is just being persecuted. I mean, 496 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: the process is the punishment. They just try to destroy 497 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: this man. He's an honorable person. He's just a high 498 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: integrity individual. Could have Trump's president. Trump, could have found 499 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: a better election lawyer. What he did was completely proper. 500 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 2: One of the reason is al Gord didn't have a 501 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: chance Supreme Court is he did not have an alternate 502 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: slave electors. Right, No, exactly right. 503 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: Well, well, Ron, I want to I'm going to make 504 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: a couple of points here that are very important for 505 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: those watching and listening. You know these things. Constitutionally, we 506 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: can absolutely challenge the results of an election. That's stupid 507 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: to pretend like we can't. Secondly, how do you somebody 508 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: with forgery? When he signed his own name or those 509 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: those electors, the alternate slate, they all signed their real names. 510 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: They weren't signing fake names. There was a case in 511 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: Arizona that I think is either thrown out or close 512 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: to being thrown out. Case in Georgia that's just about 513 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: out of here. Why's Wisconsin is still playing this game? 514 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: There is nothing illegal with me gathering a bunch of names, 515 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: putting them in an envelope just in case Mike Pence 516 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: would have said, let's check both envelopes that day. What 517 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: exactly is the illegality? I don't get it. 518 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 2: There is none. This is a grotesque miscarriage justice. But 519 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: it's being carried out in the ultraliberal courts with ultraliberal 520 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: judges in Dane County, Wisconsin. That's what's happening right here. 521 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: Is a travesty. It's a miscarriage of justice. And that's 522 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: one of the reason I wrote a letter to the 523 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 2: primary Justice to investigate this. 524 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: Now, what do you think they're going to because I 525 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: feel as though we're past twenty twenty. I think we're 526 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: past twenty twenty where we can actually say there are 527 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: some questions that have to be answered about that election. 528 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: You know, the whole premise of Jack Frost or Jacksmith 529 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 2: artic Frost case. Yes, is it anybody involved in these 530 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: alms and say the electors do some something criminal. They're 531 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: families here. That's why cast is enormous, dragnant. It's all 532 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: about crippling the opposition party with publican party. Again, it's 533 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: all a gross miscarriage justice. So the just de partment 534 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: outrey vel it you use Wisconsin as the test case 535 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: to demonstrate exactly how really, just how corrupt the Jacksmith 536 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: investigation was. So I hope they get on board here 537 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: and fully investigate this. 538 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm glad to let us know about it. 539 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: Ron. 540 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: I was not familiar with the Wisconsin case, been watching 541 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: the other cases, but without a doubt this guy didn't 542 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: do anything wrong. If it's exactly as you said, and 543 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: I trust that it is, it's our us. Senator Ron 544 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: Johnson Johnson dot Senate dot gov. Thanks so much for 545 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: the great explanations today. Let's do this again soon, Ron, 546 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: Thank you. Did you get all that? 547 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: Listen? 548 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: It was a whole lot of information. But one thing 549 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure about is that nobody in the media, even 550 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: the legacy media, even the right media, is really explaining 551 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: this as in depth as the explanation you used got 552 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: from Senator Ron. Jo and right here an unshaken and 553 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: un afraid with Joe Peggs again. Those subsidies are not 554 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: money in your pocket. You are not being helped out 555 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: by them. 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