1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Welcome to today's Out of Zion podcast. I'm 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: your host, doctor Susan Michael, and I am so happy 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: to have with me today a dear friend, longtime colleague 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. And support of Israel. She does 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: such an amazing work, and that's Penny Nance. She is 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: the president and CEO of Concerned Women for America and 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: does a fabulous job. So I'm just so happy to 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: be able to introduce her to you find out a 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: little bit more about her work. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series, Connecting 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response. 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: Be sure to subscribe for future episodes which will ignite 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: your faith and bring the Bible to life in your 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: every day. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers. 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: So, Pennything, thank you. That was very sweet. Thank you, Susan. 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: I'm also I'm a fan of yours, so I appreciate 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: all the great work you all do. 21 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: We've known each other a number of years. Yeah, and 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: or in the battle together in support of Israel and 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: especially in the Washington, DC circles. But I've also begun 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: working with your young women for me, are working on 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: the campuses, and that seems to be the big issue today. 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: Everyone's very concerned about the younger generation. Yeah, are we 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: losing them to the faith? Are we losing them in 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: support of Israel and even other issues? 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 3: And I know that you really got. 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: Your thumb on the pulse of s Thank you. We 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: want to hear about your work with the campus susan 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: sort of what you're observing well. 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: And you're right to be worried. I mean I came 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: back to CWA. I was a young lobbyist there in 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: my twenties, and then I got married. My has worked 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: for prison Fellowship ministries. We got married, we had babies 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 3: pretty quickly, a little sooner actually than we've planned. Three 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: months after we got married, I folt I was pregnant 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: like first our first anniversary. Had to rush home to 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: nurse like it was so anyway, God's tell me is 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: probably that's our beautiful Claire. And then we have a 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: son who's active duty military and uh. Anyway, so you know, 43 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 3: when I came back to Missus Lhay in twenty ten 44 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: asked me to come back and run the organization's CEO 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: and president, and we've prayed about it as a family. 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: I agreed to do it. And when I came back, 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: I realized, you know, our our members had we'd aged 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: as an organization what tends to be when Missus Hay 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: brought people in and there were people kind of more 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: in my age group, but we really were missing on 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: the younger ones. And I started to look around and 52 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: realize that, you know, conservatives have not invested in our 53 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 3: young people, particularly young women, the way the left had. 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: They spend billions of dollars a year, and we're we're 55 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: that's wrong. On a mini levels, it's foolish because this 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 3: is the next generation. But also there's the biblical principle 57 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: of Titus too for the older women to teach the 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: younger women, and we weren't doing that. So we start 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: Young Women for America and it has just blown up. 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: We have about four hundred chapters and leaders around the 61 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: country on campuses and they are incredible. These are godly 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: Christian girls who love the Lord, who believe their Bible, 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 3: who are outspoken esters of this time, and they are 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: the worst nightmare of the Kafia wearing bullies on colleges 65 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: campuses all over this country. They're not having it. After 66 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: October seventh, they led all sorts of rallies and prayer 67 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: times where they brought in their Jewish students. They're Jewish 68 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: friends that linked arms with them in a way that 69 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: I've never seen before, and just out of kindness and compassion. 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: I intended one of those in South Carolina at Clinson 71 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 3: University and the head of the Jewish fraternity came and 72 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: he just cried. He was like, this is the first 73 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: time since October seventh I felt supported on my campus. 74 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: And I was like, how is that possible? This is 75 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: red state South Carolina, how is this possible? But it was. 76 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: And so it's been an incredibly life giving, life bringing 77 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: opportunity for them. But the other thing that people need 78 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: to be aware of is there has been, and I 79 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: think people are starting to become aware this insidious movement, 80 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: and I call it a cancer on our movement of 81 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: anti Semitism that has sneaked into the movement via some 82 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: very prominent voices. Candace Owens is one of them, people 83 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: that respect her, that love her, that have followed her. 84 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: All of a sudden she sing out and out lives 85 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: and they're buying into it. And it's the same old tropes. 86 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: It's always the Jews thought that, you know, when when 87 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was shot, something on the side was supposed 88 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: to be a part of it. I mean, it's just 89 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 3: absolutely ridiculous, but you'd be surprised people that listen. So 90 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: Cidemia has been very outspoken on that. We've said that 91 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: we will absolutely call it out when we see it. 92 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: There's no room for anti Semitism in our movement and 93 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: we won't work with people that are. I mean, we 94 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: just have no interest at William F. Buckley in the 95 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: nineteen fifties realized the KKK and some others conspiracy theorists 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: had started started to infiltrate the conservative movement, and he 97 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: at that time, of course, he was the publisher of 98 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: a National Review, and he said, we've got to root 99 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: it out where we find it, and he did. He 100 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: managed to do that, and then out of that came 101 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: the very Goldwater Campaign nineteen sixty four and Ronald Reagan 102 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: and sort of the flourishing of the movement. We have 103 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: to be very serious. You know, the Bible is very clear, 104 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: I'll bless them that blessed they all curse him and 105 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: curse the We need to love Israel for many reasons. 106 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: On geopolitical level, Israel is the only other democracy in 107 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: the Middle East. It brings gifts to people around the world, 108 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: including medical technology like the pet scan. Your iPhone has 109 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: all sorts of components in it. I mean, it makes 110 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: me laugh, like the you know, the anti you know, 111 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: free gods of people that are carrying around their islands 112 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: like you. If you better, like a BDS boycott, devestent 113 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: sanction moment, you better put down that phone because you're 114 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: not going to have it without Israel computer and there's 115 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: so many things. And so even if you don't from 116 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: a biblical standpoint agree with me, you mist understand that 117 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: the US Israel relationship is potent, important, strategic for the 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 3: United States, and Israel is going nowhere. It's the only 119 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: Jewish state in the entire world, whereas there's fifty five 120 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 3: majority Muslim countries around the world. So one little state, 121 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: the country the size of New Jersey and all this 122 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: to do around it. I don't know how to explain 123 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: that other than spiritual warfare. 124 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, well, tell us, I'm so encouraged to hear 125 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: you have four hundred young women on these campus suits well. 126 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: And many more than that, but that's actually chapters. Yeah, yeah, 127 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: so this is just the president, the presidents and ambassadors. 128 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: But give us some stories of when they've encountered on campus. 129 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: And now, how do you train them to handle these situations? 130 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: Well, we bring them to Washington at least once a year, 131 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: and usually there's an seminar, a separate one for just 132 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: the chapter presidents. There a couple levels of leadership, and 133 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: so we teach them things like, you know, we teach 134 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: them the biblical principles, teach them the free market constitutional principles. 135 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: We teach them the undergir girdings of what they believe 136 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: and why they believe it. And we train them to 137 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: be ready to give an answer when they're asked to 138 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: be to do an interview like we're doing here. We 139 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: teach them to lobby. They are they go constantly. They're 140 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: asked to come and give testimony before state legislatures and 141 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: Congress on transidentity, the whole trans movement, and women in sports. 142 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: They've been very well spoken. I think last week we 143 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: had three different state legislatures that our young women were 144 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: testifying and committee on bills that had to do with 145 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: the unique dignity of women and women's sports only for women. 146 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: Because many of them are athletes. So a lot of 147 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: young leaders come up sort of through athletics and learn 148 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: competition and learn all the great things through that, and 149 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: so you know, we're training them to be leaders and 150 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: they love it and they're growing, and honestly, the issue is, 151 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: I just need enough staff to keep up with them, 152 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: because they're all volunteer, right, and so I'm like, I 153 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: can grow that beyond imagination because really we're not just 154 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 3: bringing numbers. There's a lot of mentorship involved. They're young people. 155 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: They need a lot, and we're working along with them 156 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: and keeping in touch with them and making sure that 157 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: they're really learning and growing and Okay, and you know 158 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: it's because it's a lot because in some cases it 159 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: doesn't make them popular. I think about you know, CWA 160 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: was ahead of a lot of people on the sort 161 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: of trans movement transidentity in women's sports. So ten years 162 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: from ago, like we were trying to sound the alarm like, 163 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: when you put gender in a policy or in a law, 164 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: this is what they mean. They mean seventy two genders. 165 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: They don't mean men and women. And literally people are laughed. 166 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: They're like, what are you talking about. That can't be true. 167 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: Don't be alarmist, don't worry, pretty litle ahead about it, 168 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: and we're like, no, this is real. And we kept going. 169 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: And so then if the race, the NCAA swim meet 170 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: with Lea Leah Thomas versus Riley Gaines came to the forefront, well, 171 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: we had already been working on it, and outside that 172 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: actual swim meet, we were having a rally already and 173 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: our young Woman for America leader who was running it 174 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: and was you know, at the press conference, had to 175 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: have armed security. The school actually gave it to her 176 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 3: because they were threatening her over it. But she's I mean, 177 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: she's tiny, like she's like four eleven, little fire, and 178 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: she's like they couldn't intimidate her. She you know, she's like, 179 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: bring it. I'm doing what's right. I'm going to do it. 180 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: You can't stop me. The interesting thing is we also 181 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: just to fast forward on that, we on that same 182 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: day filed a civil rights complaint with the Department of 183 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: Education against you Pen for why did they put a 184 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: man in that situation? Why did these young women have 185 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: to share a locker room with a man. Why did 186 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: they have to lose the trophies to a man? And 187 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: we recently won on that the the Trump administration and 188 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: Linda McMahon, who's a secretary, the Education Secretary, ruled in 189 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: our favor, forced you Pen to pay a fine, forced 190 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: them to send notes of apology to everybody in the 191 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: force them to take down the numbers for Leah Thomas 192 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: gave the trophy to the rightful owners. And we've moved 193 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: forward since then. But I will tell people we have 194 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: you know, the President Trump has been great on this, 195 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 3: but we don't have it in law now. It's just 196 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: an executive order and those change with every administration, so 197 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: we've got to get it over the finish line into law. 198 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 199 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion 200 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: podcast with Susan Michael. 201 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: Your young women on these campuses have to feel the 202 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: battle is increasing, yes, and when it comes to the 203 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: Israel issue, even more so, right I think so? Yeah, 204 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: So give us some of your observations. 205 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: In that and some of the stories of what they're 206 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: in counter Yes, well, I mean it's not odd for them. 207 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: I heard one woman talk about you know, she was 208 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: actually Jewish student, and she said that she went to 209 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: this is jure in October seventh. Someone said her an 210 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: Israel flag and she was She said she didn't even 211 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: know she wasn't wearing it. She had it out. She 212 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: just had a kind of bald up in her hand 213 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 3: and she's walking through campus and somebody got in her 214 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: face and called her a dirty Jew. I mean this, 215 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: We're hearing these stories over and over again. When our 216 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: girls have done events, They've had people show up with 217 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: signs and heckle them and yell at them, but they're 218 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: not listen. I could talk about that, but I don't 219 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: very much because I feel like that it's whatever, whatever 220 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: the other side does, it just makes them stronger because 221 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: they are just called to this fight. You know. We 222 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: worked really closely also with the hostage families and brought 223 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: in the last training the Nutra family, the parents of 224 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: a Mayor Nutra, who was one of the last three 225 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: hostages to come home, and we also brought him to 226 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: the Republican brought them to the Republican convention. So they 227 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: were the couple, the Jewish couple who who were hostage 228 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: parents that spoke. And because of that, the Democrats also 229 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: had to do that, which we were very happy because 230 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: they were all ready to just ignore the whole thing. 231 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: And President Trump knew them and knew to keep his 232 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: foot on the gas to insist that on Mayor Nutri's 233 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: body was brought back to his parents and and we've 234 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: stayed in contact with them. But there's so there is 235 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: still so much hurt, and the anti Semitism was definitely 236 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: still on college campuses right now and it's not going away. 237 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: We just have to train people to stand up, understand 238 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: the truth, to be able to speak truth in those situations, 239 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: speak truth to power, be involved with their local college 240 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: president and say absolutely not. And by the way, we're 241 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: not going to do a boycott, devest and sanctions movement 242 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: on our in our college campus. The finances either well, 243 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 3: God bless you and your young people. 244 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just so amazing to know about them. 245 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: Thank you. 246 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: Tell me, what do you think that what we need 247 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: to do to make a difference against the anti Semitism, 248 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: against these right wing voices that are really influencing the 249 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: young people. 250 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: How can we how can we make a difference there? Well, 251 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: I would say one thing people can do if they 252 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: don't feel ready and really feel like they have the information. 253 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: I know your organization has great information. We have an 254 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: entire lesson plan on Israel, on the history of Israel, 255 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 3: on just you know, so basically the issues around Israel 256 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: and anti Semitism, and so if people want to come 257 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: to our website, Concern Women dot org, they can order that. 258 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: But you need to educate yourself and then really pray 259 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: about God giving you the opportunities and being willing to 260 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: speak when you hear it. You need to speak up, 261 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: and you need to let others know. I have been 262 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: so blessed by the reaction of Jewish people because not 263 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: east to Christians taking their part. You know, I think 264 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: they're all still wounded by the fact that and you 265 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: and I both know this. It's not easy. If I'm 266 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: going to say, I hate saying it, but during World 267 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: War Two there were a great many Christians who cared, 268 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: but there were way more who were not interested and 269 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: didn't want to hear it. I mean, it's kind of 270 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: like things today. They didn't want to hear bad news 271 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: about the Holocaust. And even you know, I read by 272 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: Joel Rosenberg and was broken harder to realize there was 273 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: a church on really on the campus of Aushwitz, on 274 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: that actual site in which Nazi soldiers were going to 275 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: church every Sunday. So they remember all this, they know 276 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: all of this, And wouldn't it be great if Christians 277 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: could say never again, We're not going to let this 278 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: happen again, and where we see it, we're going to 279 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: call it out. And that means not listening to voices 280 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 3: that are anti summit, calling out and is calling it 281 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: what it is. Do not give money to those people, 282 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: and then you know, supporting groups like yours, groups like 283 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: mine that are actually doing the good war because. 284 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: It's easy to say never again, but it's not easy 285 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: to actually open your mouth and speak out against what 286 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: you see and what you hear. And that was the fault, 287 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: that was the problem with the church in Germany. It 288 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: was that they didn't speak up. They might have not 289 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: agreed with what was happening, but they were afraid, yeah, 290 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: and they were not willing to pay a price for 291 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: speaking out. 292 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: I can't believe you know, when I hear people quoting 293 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: and it's very few, let's be real, and they get 294 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: an outsize a bit of attention. I think about Nick Fuentes, 295 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: you know, quoting Stalin and Hitler. I just can't believe it. 296 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: But these are narcissistic people who want attention and they're 297 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: will they do it, but we should be willing to 298 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 3: call it out. I felt. I was like, was this 299 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: what it was like in the nineteen thirties, you know, 300 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: before the actual World War two, before hitlock as Hitler's 301 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 3: coming to power, and Germany was the most educated country 302 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: in the world and one of the most affluent. It's 303 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: not as if they were purely ignorant. They should have 304 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: known better, but the people that did know were afraid 305 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 3: to speak up, and then by the time they realized 306 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: how bad it was, it was too late. 307 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the people that carried out the Holocaust were actually 308 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: educated people. They thought what they were doing was right 309 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: because they had been brainwaged. 310 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: Yes, well, and it's how it starts. That's how it starts. 311 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 3: People think about you know, they're like, oh, and that 312 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 3: listen it. I believe in the First Amendment, everybody has 313 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: the right to speak, and you know that the truth 314 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: is the answer to that is more free speech right, 315 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 3: not less free speech. However, I will say that when 316 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: you platform people who are have you know, horrific ideas 317 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: about anti Semitism and or don't even specifically a platform 318 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 3: them but don't challenge them, that's even worse. And so 319 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 3: you're really feeding it. And we know that, you know, 320 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: advertising changes minds, feelings, and actions. That's always spend billions 321 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: and billions of dollars a year on advertising around the world. 322 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: So those thoughts and images have impact your job, all 323 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: of you. Your job is to counter that. 324 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: Yes, amen, Well, as we bring this to a close, 325 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: what would be like a final thought, something that you 326 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: really want to encour your listening audience to know or 327 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: to do how to respond to this? 328 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 3: Well, I'll close the to things. One is sign up 329 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: for our weekly updates and I'll really just kind of 330 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 3: give you an idea of what we're doing. If you 331 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: want to be involved, or even if you just want 332 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 3: to pray over what we're doing, you go to Concern 333 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: women dot org, follow us on all the social media 334 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 3: CWA why deber I have my own and I think 335 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: it's a good way to have just sort of a 336 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: thought and the idea of what we're doing. But I 337 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: love Reagan. I always quote Reagan that you know and 338 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: this is I think this is really essential for now. 339 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: And he said freedom is never more than one generation 340 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 3: away from extinction. We didn't passage our children in the bloodstream. 341 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: It must be fought for, protected and handed on for 342 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: them to do the same. Or one day we will 343 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's 344 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: children what it was once like in the United States 345 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 3: when men were free. 346 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: It's on us psalms, how profound. Thank you for raising 347 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: up and arming of young women to be they're already 348 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: today's Christian leaders, but tomorrow's Christian leaders and men. 349 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: They're going to run our nation. One day we may 350 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 3: have our first woman president on that gril. We'll see that. 351 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: There you go, and they're going to impact their generation 352 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: and your training leaders. And I just want to thank you. 353 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for your great work, love and 354 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: appreciate you. 355 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: Great to have you with us today. Thank thank you 356 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: so much for joining. We will put links to the 357 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: websites that she mentioned for Concern Women for America in 358 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: today's show notes. We'll see you back here. 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