1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Breaking down politics, culture, and the buzz of the day 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: with bold conversations about faith, family, and living. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: What you believe. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: This is the Danielle gil Show. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'm delighted to welcome our guest today, Dinesh. Welcome 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 3: back to the podcast. 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: Always good to be here and looking forward to this. 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: Awesome Well, I hope you had an awesome birthday. You 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: had a big birthday this weekend, so happy belated birthday. 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. It's a big one, sixty five. 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: Although I'm trying to fool the public into thinking I'm 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: a little younger than that, but I feel younger and 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: I'm in good health and good spirits and can't complain. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I feel like you're young at heart always 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: and it's hard to believe that another year has passed. 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: But I'm glad you had a great birthday. You turned sixty. 17 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: Five, so yeah, are We celebrated with some very good 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: Indian food that I don't eat that often these days. 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: Our favorite Indian restaurant is in downtown and it's a 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: good hour away, so it's kind of a journey, but 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: it's worth it on a birthday. And my birthday also 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: fell on a weekend, so it made it easy for 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: us to do the little getaway to eat some Indian food. 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: Nice. Yes, Well, wanted to start by talking to you 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: a little bit about what has transpired this weekend at 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: the White House correspondence dinner, of course, was totally surprising. 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 3: There were shots fired President Trump, we saw you know, 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: Vance Kennedy. All of these people from the ADMIN were 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: escorted out of the building. Normally, the White's corresponds dinner 30 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: is a night full of jokes and lots of kind 31 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: of fun with the press, but of course none of 32 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: that was able to take place. And then President Trump 33 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: afterwards came out, he addressed the public. He seemed very 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: much unphased by it all. He was, you know, not 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: not too rattled like of course, you saw Erica Kirk 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: leaving in tears. You saw Milania looking pretty stunned at first. 37 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: So really sad that, you know, situation of events where 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: we have another assassination attempt after President Trump has already 39 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 3: been dropped before we had multiple assassination attempts. What was 40 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: your reaction hearing about this news. 41 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think that this shooter Cole Allen by name. 42 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: My initial reaction was the common reaction, and I think 43 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: it's it's wrong. My initial reaction was, this guy is 44 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: such a fool, he's such a lunatic. You know, he 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: comes running like a madman past the metal detectors and 46 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: sure enough shots ring out. Apparently he shot one of 47 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: the Secret Service agents, not fatally, but the guy had 48 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: a bulletproof vest on and they fired at him. Apparently 49 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: they didn't hit him, but they got him as he 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: ran up the top of the stairs. So I thought, 51 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 2: this guy is an absolute kook. He's out of his mind. 52 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: And I saw a lot of posting on social media 53 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: to this effect that this guy is is a loon 54 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: and the Democratic Party unfortunately has a lot of loons 55 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: in our society, andfortunately has a lot of loons. But 56 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: I think that this is a little bit misleading. First 57 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: of all, really somebody who's out of his mind, who's 58 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: a loon, who's crazy, I mean, that's somebody who thinks 59 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: he's Napoleon or Julius Caesar. That's somebody who you know, 60 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: will spend one year counting the hairs one by one 61 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: on his head. That's a guy who's going to, like, 62 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: you know, go number two in his living room. So 63 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: this guy is not like that he doesn't do any 64 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: of those things. He's not alone in that sense. At 65 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: the best. He's a special type of lunatic, and I 66 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: would call him the ideological lunatic. In other words, he 67 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: is somebody who is willing to do abnormal things that 68 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: other people wouldn't do but for ideological reasons. Look at 69 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: his background. I mean, he's a teacher, just not long ago. 70 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: He was like teacher of the month. He went to 71 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: cal Tech. He has degrees in like computer science and 72 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: mechanical engineering. His sister is a left wing activist. So 73 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: here's what I mean. This guy is very normal within 74 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: the cocoon of the left. He's a normal leftist. He's 75 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: college educated, he's half black and white, like Obama he is. 76 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: He goes to a No King's protest, he's given a 77 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: little bit of money, he's just twenty five bucks to 78 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. So he's on the left, and he has 79 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: the profile of a lot of left wingers, so he 80 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: doesn't stand out from them. I was just listening to 81 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: a guy who he did apparently tutor one guy. The 82 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: guy goes he couldn't be more normal, So he's normal 83 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: by their standard, and so I think to understand him, 84 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: and by the way, he's now part of a familiar type. 85 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: This is very disturbing to say, because think of like 86 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: Ryan Ruth, who's the mar Lago guy who tried to 87 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: kill Trump. Think about Mangioni who shot at the CEO 88 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 2: of United Healthcare, think about Tyler Robinson. All these guys, 89 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: if you look at them, they are of the same ilk. 90 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: They easily come out of the Democratic Party, they come 91 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: out of recognizable constituencies. There are a lot of other 92 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: people like them. It's just that they have that their 93 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: ideology has taken them far enough that they are willing 94 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: to pull the trigger. They are really willing to throw 95 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: away their life for I think, as they see it 96 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: a higher cause. So in some ways, there are a 97 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: lot like some of these Muslim terrorists who are again, 98 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: in their ordinary life, pretty normal people, but they've bought 99 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: into an ideology, in this case political Islam. They have 100 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: made themselves into jihadis. They're willing to sacrifice or at 101 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: least risk their life. And so we see here a 102 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: commonality between some of the Islamic terrorists jihatis and some 103 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: of these left wing ideological would be assassins and killers 104 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: that are coming out of the demographics and indeed out 105 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: of the soil of the left in America today. 106 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: Wow, what's scary is it almost seems like this isn't 107 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 3: unusual for leftists. Like the ideology leftism today is so 108 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: extreme and so hateful toward the other side that they genuinely, 109 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: I think, would want Republicans or Trump or people like 110 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: that dead. And you can even see it from the 111 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: media response on the left where they're not really disturbed 112 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: by it. They're definitely not condemning it. They're actually saying, hey, 113 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: could this have been a hoax? Was this a plans 114 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: you thing? They're actually peddling those kinds of conspiracy theories. 115 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: You know. One of the themes that I've been thinking 116 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: about for my show this week is the other big 117 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: story that has been in the news that I hadn't 118 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: previously talked about, is, of course, the Southern Poverty Law Center, right, 119 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: and the indictment of the Southern Poverty Law Center on 120 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of charges including bank fraud, wire fraud, 121 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: money laundering. Now it looks like first clients that the 122 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: two stories, the SBLC of the Southern Poverty Law Center 123 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: and the Cole Allen assassination story are unconnected, but I 124 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: want to argue that they are connected. Why Because when 125 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: you talk about this rage or this anger on the left, 126 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: this anger on the left is cultivated, it is developed, 127 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: it is refined, it is promulgated. So the Southern Poverty 128 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: Law Center is at the center of a vast network 129 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: that creates narratives designed to produce people like Ryan Ruth, 130 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: like Mangione, like Cole Allen. Now how does it do that? Well, basically, 131 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: it subsidizes the very bigotry it claims to oppose. Right, 132 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the revelation about the SBLC. They're giving 133 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,479 Speaker 2: money to the clan, they're giving money to neo Nazis, 134 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: they're giving money to these white supremacist groups. And now 135 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: they pretend and they say, and their defenders will say, 136 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: oh no, we're paying infiltrators and informants to burrow into 137 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: those groups and tell us what's going on. Well, first 138 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: of all, the federal government does that. Private nonprofit five 139 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: oh one c threes don't do that. But number two 140 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: and more importantly, they are not paying. You know, here's 141 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: a liberal and guess what we're going to tell him. 142 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: Can you go and infiltrate like the Ku Klux Klan. 143 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: Can you get into that group and keep us informed. 144 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: There's not a single case where the SBLC is paying 145 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: an outsider to infiltrate these groups. They're paying like the 146 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: head of a klan. They're paying the leaders of these 147 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: neo Nazi groups. And some of these groups, by the way, 148 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: would fold. They are so weak, they have no money. 149 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: The largest donor to the Ku Klux Klan is the 150 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: Southern Poverty Law Center. That's their largest donor. And so 151 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: they can only do activities, put out there newsletter, organized marches, 152 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: even the rally of Charlottesville, the so called Unite the 153 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: Right apparently there was I believe two hundred and seventy 154 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Where is that group going to get that 155 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: kind of money from anyone else. So now a lot 156 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: of conservatives, I think have wrongly taken this story, the 157 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: SBLC story, to mean, oh, these diabolical SBLC guys, this 158 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: is all a fundraising ruse. They're trying to create a 159 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: demand for racism. They subsidize this racism, and then they 160 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: point to it and go, look at all the racism, 161 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: and their donors go that's right, big checks to fight it. So, yes, 162 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: that is part of the story, right, this is there. 163 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: It is in fact a clever fundraising gimmick, if you will. 164 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: But it's far more than that, because the reason that 165 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: the SBLC is a vital arm of the Democratic Party 166 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: and of the left. You know, the Democratic Party and 167 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 2: the left is not going to say we love the 168 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: SBLC is there they are masters of fundraising. No, they 169 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 2: like the SBLC because it's doing something far beyond that. 170 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: It's it's serving a much larger purpose. And what is 171 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: that purpose. That purpose is ultimately to discredit the mainstream right. 172 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: So in other words, the SBLC doesn't try to discredit Nazis. 173 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: They don't have to. What they're trying to do is 174 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:29,239 Speaker 2: discredit people like Trump. Charlie Kirk me, we're not Nazis, 175 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: We're not bigots. So the SBLC is ultimately aimed at 176 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: going after non bigots to smear them with the accusation 177 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: of being a bigot. As for the real bigots, the 178 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: SBLC is funding them, as we know. But they're not 179 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: funding Trump, they're not funding TPUs A, they're certainly not 180 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: funding me. They are we are their real targets, right, 181 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: and and and the SBLC is a sort of demonization factory, 182 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: a dehumanization factory that is aimed at saying to left 183 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: wing fanatics that they create, they're saying to them, these 184 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: are the really bad guys, not the head of the clan. 185 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: Nobody's going after the head of the clan, but Trump. 186 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: You know, Hegsath Stephen Miller. So what's going on here 187 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: is that what I'm suggesting is that the SPLC is 188 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: in the business of creating people like Cole Allen because 189 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: they're getting their news from somewhere. And what happens is 190 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: that the SBLC is inside of a network. Now the 191 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: network includes the ADL, it includes Wikipedia, it includes NPR, 192 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: the New York Times. All of these groups will refer 193 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: to the SBLC. They will cite the SBLC study to 194 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: demonize people, get them censored, get them ostracized, make it 195 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: harder for them to open up bank accounts. But ultimate 196 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: also make them targets of these kuks, these ideological kuks 197 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: who are willing to go to the ultimate distance to say, 198 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to be the guy that does 199 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: something about it. 200 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's interesting because I think a lot of 201 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: this stuff that comes out it just shows how far 202 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: the Democrats are willing to go. They want to keep 203 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: the KKK and those groups around. I mean, I guess 204 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: you kind of prove that the Democrats are always the 205 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: party of racism, that there was never the big switch 206 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: the Democrats. Maybe they actually are the KKK. So maybe 207 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: is there an argument to be made that they fund 208 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: those groups because they are racist. 209 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: I don't think that's the correct argument here. I would 210 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: put it a little differently. Dostoyevsky both in his novel 211 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: called The Possessed, which is about ideological murder. Think about it. 212 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: This what we saw on this week past weekend as 213 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: an attempt at an e theologically motivated murder. Right, this 214 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: guy to manifesto. He very clear, I'm targeting Trump and 215 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: Trump officials. I'm not targeting the media. By the way, 216 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: he wasn't interested in getting think of it. He knows 217 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: the media's on his side, so he doesn't want to go, 218 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 2: you know, shoot some anchor at like on the view. 219 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: You know, that's not his target. He knows exactly who 220 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: his target is. So he's very rational in that sense. 221 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: He's very purposeful. If you put it that way. So 222 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: Dostoyevsky considers with great psychological depth, who are the type 223 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: of people who do these ideological murders? And Dostoyevsky's point 224 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: is surprising, though, it is to say many of these 225 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: people view themselves as not only clear of mind, which 226 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: is not kooks, but pure of heart. They see themselves 227 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: as noble people who are working for a better world, 228 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: and they see themselves as willing to make bigger sacrifices 229 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: than normal people to achieve that world. So remember the 230 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: famous scene in Crime and Punishment where Dostoyevsky is in 231 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: a restaurant or a bar and a military official and 232 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: a young guy are talking about committing a murder and 233 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: the young guy's like, yes, this is gonna be this 234 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: will advance social justice. And the military guy goes, well, 235 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: if you're saying it's such a great idea, like why 236 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: don't you do it? And the guy's like, oh no, no, no, 237 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: I would never do it. And Raskolnikov is on the 238 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: next table and he's listening, and a rusko olnkel Think 239 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: thinks to himself, well, this guy's a talker, he's a coward. 240 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: The true revolutionary is the person who does do it, 241 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: and I am that person. I will do it. If 242 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: I find that this old money lender, this old woman 243 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: is useless to society, I will in fact killer, and 244 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: in doing so I will prove that I am a 245 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: man of my convictions. So what Dostoyevsky's getting on here, 246 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: I think very important because it helps us understand that 247 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: not only are these people not lunatics in the sense 248 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: I started out talking about, but they see themselves as 249 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: serving a higher cause. MANGIONI, I think certainly did. We 250 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: don't know enough about this guy, Cole Allen, but from 251 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: what we know, he's cut from exactly the same ideological cloth. 252 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems like the left they want more 253 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: people like this. They want to radicalize young people. They 254 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: want more of them to be trans and very mentally 255 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: disturbed and have a lot of animosity towards the right 256 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: hate you know, Trump or whoever it is who's kind 257 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: of representing right wing views. They want them to want 258 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: them to be killed in a way. So, how do 259 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: we share our country with people who want half a 260 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: bit killed? 261 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you're quite right that they're giant 262 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: megaphones of academia, the media, Hollywood. I mean, if you 263 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: look at some of the movies that won awards just 264 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: a few days ago, they are movies about going after 265 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: targeting and killing right wing people. That's their plot, right. 266 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: We know that there is these themes are sounded regularly 267 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: in academia and in the media. I mean, you have 268 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: the irony that at the White House Correspondent's dinner are 269 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: a lot of people sitting on those beautiful tables who 270 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: helped to create the atmosphere that the attempted assassination came 271 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: out of. In other words, Cole Allen is the product 272 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: of the collective reporting from a lot of people in 273 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: that room. So that's the first point. A lot of 274 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 2: people are complicit in creating the soil out of which 275 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: this stuff arises. But the second thing that's worth noting 276 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: is that, you know, if we look to history, like 277 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: the French Revolution is a good example here, there were 278 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: a lot of ideological murders. Robespierre supervised essentially the execution 279 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 2: of a whole generation of aristocrats by the guillotine, but 280 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: who ended up on the guillotine in the end rope 281 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: spear and in fact the revolutionaries one by one were executed. 282 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: This was called the terror. It was essentially the left 283 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: creating a monster that devoured even them in the end. 284 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 2: And so an interesting question for us is whether it 285 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: is the case because we're not going to see I 286 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: don't think the identical behavior of the right were psychologically different. 287 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 2: We're not going to do what they do, so we're 288 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: not going to teach them a lesson. I mean, we 289 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: can hold them accountable to the law, and this guy, 290 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: Cole Allen is going to pay a heavy price, which, 291 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: by the way, he knew he was willing to do it. 292 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: He's a lot like the guys who did Nine to eleven. 293 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: They knew that they were going to be killed. They 294 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: knew that if they got caught, like Khalid Sheik Muhammad, 295 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: they were going to be in Guantanamo, they were going 296 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: to be dunked into water boarded, they were going to 297 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: have it rough. They still did it, I think because 298 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: like Dostoyevsky's characters, they saw themselves as I am stronger 299 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 2: than the ordinary man. I am willing to do jihah, 300 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: even to the ultimate extent, And these left wing revolutionaries 301 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: are the same. So the question is whether the left, 302 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: the ordinary people and some of the power powerful people 303 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: and the left will realize where this is going. Yes, 304 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 2: we are trying to ouse the right. Yes we are 305 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 2: against like white Christian America, but we are creating a 306 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: monster that might in the end devour us as well. 307 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: And I think that's something that I mean, I'm very 308 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: aware of, but I don't know if that awareness will 309 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 2: also seep through to the other side. 310 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and part of me does wonder whether it will, 311 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 3: because so many of their leaders are kind of protected, right, 312 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: they live a little bit removed from the normal people. 313 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: Right they talk about Atlanti Pelosi. They are all in 314 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: gated communities and the private planes. But then these other 315 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: normal people who are Democrats. I think to myself, well, 316 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: why are you a Democrat? Because I can see why 317 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: you be the removed one, and then why you the 318 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 3: illegal Somali or whoever who's voting for Democrats. But we 319 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: are all these other people who are voting for Democrats. 320 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 3: Is it gonna come back to haunt those people because 321 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: they're the ones that we're gonna have to live with 322 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: the crime and so on. It seems like some of 323 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: those people are some of the most ardent Democrats. 324 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: A lot of those people don't see the endgame. They 325 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: just see the cause to which they're allied. So I'm 326 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: I'm a climate activist, or I'm for the trans and 327 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: I want more recognition for the trans and so I'm 328 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: a soldier for the trans cause. I mean, if you 329 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 2: look at a guy like Tyler Robinson, I think he 330 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: saw himself as a kind of warrior on behalf of 331 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: the these sort of disadvantaged people the TRANS. But I agree, 332 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 2: I don't think the rank and file democrat is sees 333 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: where all of this is going. They a lot of 334 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: them are also just consumers of media, and so what's 335 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: happening is the media adjust their picture of the world. 336 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: I mean, if you genuinely keep telling someone, hey, that 337 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: guy who's running the country or that guy who's running 338 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: your state is a Nazi, I mean, think about what 339 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: that means. Right. The reasoning of that is, well, what 340 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: would I do if I lived in Germany in nineteen 341 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 2: thirty two and Hitler's coming to power? I mean, howd 342 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: be what would be the right thing for me to do? 343 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: How would I be expected to react to avoid the 344 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: cataclysm of the Holocaust and World War? And so these 345 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 2: labels of fascist, white supremacist, neo Nazi, they are. They 346 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: are put out there with intention. It's not as if 347 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: the people on the left who say these things don't 348 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: want they believe it. We believe it, and a lot 349 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: of people who hear it also believe it because they 350 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 2: figured that Why would they be hearing it all the 351 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: time if it wasn't true. 352 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's almost like if someone then does act 353 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: on it, they're kind of like, oh, good, great, I 354 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: don't care, Like that's why they're making up all these excuses. 355 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: They're not actually trying to tamper it down. They don't 356 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 3: actually want to stop it. It's almost like they just escalate. 357 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: Well, this is the interesting point, right, there's always there's 358 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: now this Kouk element on our side on the right, 359 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: which now declares all events, including events by the way 360 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: that are clearly perpetrated by the left and politically blame 361 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: worthy to the left. But nevertheless, there are people on 362 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: our side or right of center who will say they're staged. 363 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: No, that's what the left is saying, though. 364 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: No, no, no. What I'm saying is what I'm saying 365 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: is that that there are people on the right who 366 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: will say nine to eleven was staged, and they will 367 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City bombing was staged. The Trump assassination in 368 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: Butler was staged. I've even seen one or two people 369 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: who say this event of last weekend is staged. 370 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 3: I am saying right now, the left is claiming that 371 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: this event is staged, that occurred the shooting. 372 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: You know, what do they mean? And they say it's stage, 373 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: there's no real person. 374 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 3: I think that Trump planned it because it makes them 375 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: look good or something. And Cash Battel was in on it, 376 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 3: and they think that, you know, it was all fake, 377 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 3: everyone's hiding or something, and they actually paid this guy 378 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 3: to do this. 379 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, this guy now has a fairly 380 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: I mean this, we did not see this with Butler 381 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: right where we got very little information on the shooter, 382 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: the Butler shooter, But with this guy, that has not happened. 383 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: It turns out he is on the social media platform 384 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: called Blue Sky. I've seen a bunch of his posts. 385 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: He's obviously real. He's a leftist. He calls Trump and 386 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: the anti Christ. He has all kinds of things from Trump. 387 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: He calls him a mafia boss, so we know he's 388 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: an anti Trump guy. Trump could not have staged that. 389 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: Right second of all, ten minutes before the attack. This 390 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: guy sends out a text to family members, his family 391 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: members with a manifesto. It's a thousand words long. It 392 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 2: says exactly what he did, why he did it. He 393 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: even has think about this, He must have taken some 394 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 2: time to compose it because he has potential objections that 395 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: you might have with answers to those objections. So one objection, 396 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: for example, is like, you know, what do you hope 397 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: to accomplish? Man like you can't kill everybody, and he's like, well, 398 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: I got to start somewhere. That's his answer, right, so, 399 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: or something like you know yeah. So what I'm getting 400 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: at is this, This could not be more unstaged. This 401 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: is a guy who took trouble and wanted to get 402 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: credit for his efforts and spelled them out in very 403 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: clear terms. So this is just and the Left really 404 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: doesn't want to take responsibility for anything. They want to. 405 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: They don't even want to say, you know what, this 406 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: guy's one of ours, but guess what, he's a kook. 407 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: So they're trying to as if what you say is 408 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: true true, they're trying to disclaim responsibility that even happened 409 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: at all, which shows that there's a lot of lunacy 410 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: on this kind of lunacy, denying the evidence of your senses. 411 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: You know, the same thing with Charlie Kirk. I mean, 412 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: even Candice Owens had been going around saying that Tyler 413 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: Robinson did not set foot on the campus. But now 414 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: that there's video of him and and and it's it's emerged, 415 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: and the trial, by the way, is around the corner 416 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: that that is clearly not true. She just goes on 417 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: and says something else. 418 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: Well, going back to what I was saying earlier, though, 419 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: why do you think, I guess, how do we approach 420 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: sharing a society with these people? Because I think it's 421 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 3: hard when you have one side that literally wants the 422 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: other side dead. 423 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: Right, So we you know, we were joined up a 424 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: hip because we have read we have red states and 425 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: blue states, but we have tons of blue people in 426 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: the Red states and lots of red peat people in 427 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: the blue states. I think any idea of a kind 428 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: of societal divorce is impractical, is not going to happen. 429 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: It's in some ways a question that was settled one 430 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years ago at the time of the 431 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: Civil War. And so we're we don't have an option 432 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 2: other than to figure out how to deal with the issue. 433 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: Our only way of dealing with the issue now is 434 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 2: and this helps with us in power, right because try 435 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: to imagine what would happen if the left was in power, 436 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 2: if they controlled the DOJ. Right. So, but we can 437 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 2: hold them to the full extent of the law, as 438 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 2: long as it's cash battel at the FBI, and as 439 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: long as it's Todd blanche who's the one doing the prosecutions, 440 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: and Donald Trump who's the president. It's a little terrifying 441 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: to think what would happen in an orgy of violence 442 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: of this sort that was magnified and in which the 443 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: Democrats were running the organs of the government. 444 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, no, I mean we have to win. We 445 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 3: can't let the Democrats win. And I think all the 446 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: people who were saying, oh, you know, let's just stay home, 447 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 3: leave it to the Democrats, I mean, they're just Democrats themselves. 448 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: They're not Republicans who care about Americans or what happens 449 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: to our future. I guess if you think about it, 450 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: I know Obama he was the one who really radicalized 451 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 3: the Democrat Party, as you say, he gangsterized it. He 452 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: made it worse like this Obama's been out for a while, 453 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: we had the blip with Biden. Do you think Trump 454 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: having these two terms hopefully after that we have another 455 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: Republican in office. Do you think that this wild, tampered 456 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: is down. Do you think that Democrats are continuing to 457 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 3: go down this radicalized path. Maybe we'll win over more 458 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: of the middle though, but you still have these crazy liberals. 459 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: Do you think the liberals will regroup? Where do you 460 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 3: say things? 461 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: The Democrats genuinely thought that they were going to get 462 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: the country in the Obama era. They almost had all 463 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: three branches of government, and I think they thought that 464 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: there were forces at play that made it difficult for 465 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: the Republicans to win anything, mainly what they called the 466 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: browning of America, as America becomes more black, more brown 467 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: for various reasons. The Democrats thought, you know, we're getting 468 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: those groups sixty seventy eighty percent, So Republicans are basically cooked. 469 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 2: We're going to be the majority party the way we 470 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: were in the FDR days. They counted on that. So 471 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: Trump upset that whole apple cart. You know, he spoiled 472 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: that picnic, He ruined that multicultural fairy tale, and so 473 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: they are absolutely furious. And on top of that, Trump 474 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: has a unique ability to god these people and drive 475 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: them even more insane than they otherwise are. So in 476 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: a way, the more Trump himself said this, and I 477 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 2: think it's true, the more successful Trump is, the more 478 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: desperate and humiliated these people become. So that's a way 479 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: of saying that US being in power over time doesn't 480 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: automatically solve this problem. They solve other problems, but it 481 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: won't solve this problem per se, and certainly not during 482 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: Trump's own tenure. The more he wins, the more they 483 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: seem determined to kind of get rid of him by 484 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: any means necessary. This is quoting their own slogan. 485 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems like the Democrats, I mean, they 486 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 3: don't really seem to have a clear plan. I guess 487 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: Kamala is kind of their front runner for twenty twenty 488 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: eight as of now, maybe Newsome. They have some other 489 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: people who are lower But what do you think that 490 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: indicates about where the Democratic Party is right now? 491 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: Well, they have been searching since Obama for a con 492 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: man of Obama esque capabilities, and they've got plenty of 493 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: con men, but their conmen, unlike Obama, don't convey this. 494 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: I mean, a true con man doesn't come across like 495 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: a con man, right he Obama if anything tried to 496 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: come across as like too cerebral, Like if you were 497 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: to ask him about terrorism, he would say, well, let's 498 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: let's delve into the distinction between like ISIS and ISIL. 499 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: So this he pretended like he's he's struck by these 500 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: professorial conundrums. And people were like, oh, that's very interesting. 501 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: I wonder what he does think about ISIS and ISIL. 502 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: You know. So you basically have a guy who's out 503 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 2: out the rob the store, but disposing as if he's 504 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: cogitating over some philosophical distinction. That was Obama. That's the 505 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: genius of Obama. The problem with the Kamala Harris is 506 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: that she's a con man and a fraud, but she 507 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: comes across like a fraud. You know. She's like, Hey, 508 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, you want to buy this bridge to nowhere. 509 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: I'm trying to sell you, you know, snow in Alaska, 510 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: And you're like, no, I don't think so. So the 511 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: Democrats have had trouble getting somebody who can combine the 512 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: malevolence of Obama with the elegance of Obama and the 513 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: ability to tell lies with a straight face, which is 514 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: actually not that easy to do. Usually, people who are 515 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 2: telling lies with the straight face, they have intensely hysterical 516 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: laughter or nervous laughter. They give away the game by 517 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: their facial reactions or their bodily reactions. And so Democrats 518 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: have they're a party of conmen and criminals, but they 519 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: haven't been able to come up with the type of 520 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: criminal they need to be able to win over the 521 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: American people. 522 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: Do you think that conman can be Newsome? Newsom's been 523 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: horrible governor California, but somehow people on the left think 524 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 3: he's really great. 525 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: Well, they recognize that he's been called white Obama, you know, 526 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: and he does have some he's got some of Obama's 527 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: sort of swab appearance. And now I do think that 528 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: even with Obama and like good as he is good 529 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: in the in the in the sense of bad, people 530 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: did ultimately kind of catch on to him. So Obama's 531 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: routine doesn't work. Now if now Obama posts it, well, 532 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to resolve racial tension in this country, 533 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,479 Speaker 2: and you just look at the comments. Everyone is like, 534 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: back off, you fraud and We're on to you, buddy, 535 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: and you know so. In other words, it doesn't work anymore. 536 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 2: But but it worked for a while. But I think 537 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: we knew some too many people may work still in California, 538 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: at least within certain progressive quarters, but I'm not sure 539 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: if if Newsom could pull it off nationwide. And as 540 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: you know in Texas, Tall Rico is trying something of 541 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: the same thing. All of these people are aspiring Obama wannabes. 542 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, Rico, I'm looking forward to him losing well. 543 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us sharing your insights. 544 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 3: Make sure you guys like and subscribe to the podcast. 545 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 3: Check out the Danish show. He has an episode that 546 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: just came out, so make sure you guys go check 547 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: that out and you can hear much more of Danesh's 548 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 3: thoughts on all of these topics. 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