1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Life audio. Tim Timmins featured in a new IM second 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: film and of course and I can only imagine two 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: that's your story in Vart Miller's story. Of course. I 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: really enjoyed both of these immensely. Tim. I just want 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: to start off by referencing the IM second film. You 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: were diagnosed with cancer about how many years ago and 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: you were given in five years to live. How many 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: years is that? 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so it was twenty five years ago. They 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: gave me five years to live, Yeah, and curable cancer 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: stage four. Still tumors of my litter today, wearing out 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: my heart and this bald guy got to wake up again. 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 2: Amen to that. 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: You said in the im second film. This is one 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: thing that really piqued my interest that you were going 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: through a period of deconstruction and reconstruction during that time. 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: What did that look like? And how did you rebuild 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: your faith? 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. I mean, there's so many different 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: seasons of questioning God, and I think early on it's 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: kind of like, don't do that. You don't want to, like, 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: you don't want to throw this whole thing out if 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: you start asking real questions like what could happen? And 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: I just don't see that biblically. And I think there's 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 2: such a beauty in wrestling and questions about God and 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: honesty with God. And so I think I've had a 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: few really great mentors that have encouraged me to just 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: just be honest. It's not like you're shocking God by 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: my questions or by my strong words at him or 30 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: about him or whatever. And I just there's been such 31 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: a freedom in knowing that He can handle these things. 32 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 2: And I can say that I don't know about this, 33 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: I don't know God, this sucks, this is hard, or yeah, 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: I think there's something really beautiful. A friend of mine, Susie, 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: she has called it the detangling. Instead of like deconstructing 36 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: my whole faith, there's almost been I'm like a detangling 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: of all the little little strands that you kind of 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: got none of that and we're like, no, that's probably 39 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: actually not the real heart of God. That might be 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: like our religious Christian Western Christian idea of God. But 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: I want to detangle my faith enough to see a 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: bigger view of actual God. 43 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: Amen to that you mentioned in the I Am Second film, 44 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: and it's referenced of course, And I can only imagine 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: too as well that you said homeless people and you, 46 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you worked at a homeless shelter 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: or what exactly it was. Tell us what you did 48 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: there and kind of how it strengthened your faith or 49 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: impacted your faith. 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, I had just been a worship leader at 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: a ginormous church in Orange County, California, and two really 52 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: huge churches there that were really successful and awesome. And 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: I after fifteen years of doing that, however, we left. 54 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: We left being awesome big pastors. And we just started 55 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: hanging out this nasty motel, just like this little place 56 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: that's near one of the richest places in America, and 57 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: it's a hotel where, you know, you've got a bunch 58 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: of homeless crew that live there. You've got a mom 59 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: with ten kids living in one bedroom. You've got prostitutes, 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: they're pimps working out of this place. And a friend 61 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: just invited us to come and just hang out with 62 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: these people. And I remember going, man, blissed of the 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: porn spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of God. The 64 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: people that don't fit in our gatherings. And this girl 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: she does certain things at night and I play guitar 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: for a living and write songs. But like, what if 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: we're both trying to figure out if Jesus is actually real? 68 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: Like what could happen if we both tried to figure 69 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: this thing out together and we're both orient our lives, 70 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: orienting our lives toward the heart of Jesus. And it 71 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: really shaped Hillary and I and my wife and I 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: in a huge way, thinking, oh, church, you can't even 73 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: go to church Biblically, we say, like, come to church, 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: which is not even biblical. It's who we are gathered 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: and scattered. And I just was like, man, this crew 76 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: taught us so much about about hardship and grief and 77 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: messy and how to see Jesus in the midst of it. 78 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: So that will forever be one of the greatest gifts 79 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: to Hilary. And I. 80 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Did it help you put your own trial in perspective? 81 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, you know, people, I was 82 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: given five years to live twenty five years ago in 83 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,119 Speaker 2: curable cancer stage four. There's still tumors on my liver today, 84 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: wearing out my heart up. They say, but I got 85 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: to wake up again today and write this X of 86 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: my rich which we'll talk about. But people are always like, well, 87 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: I haven't gone through what you've gone through. I'm like, well, man, 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: you're going through something, and whatever sorrow you're going through, 89 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: sorrow understands sorrow. Sorrow is just painful either way. So 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: I think in that season it wasn't about comparing, like 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: which which sorrow is hard. It was more like, man, 92 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: life's just hard, and you're on the street, dude, and 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: this stuff. And we grew up real different and if 94 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: I had the same upbringing as you had, I'd be 95 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: in the same spot. And so it's like all of 96 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: us just have hard things and heavy things to hold. 97 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: It's just how we hold them and how we hold 98 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: them together. I think is kind of the invitation the movie. 99 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: I can only imagine who picks up right around what 100 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: we're talking about. You come into Bart Miller's life. You're talking, 101 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: you know, I think they're told this guy Tim Timmans 102 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: work is at a homeless shelter. What do you remember 103 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: about Bart after you met him for the first time, 104 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: and did you realize that you were impacting him positively? No, 105 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: I am. I'd quit working for God at that point, so, 106 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: which is another piece of my journey that i'd worked 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: for God. My whole life. I've been an awesome varsity 108 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: American Christian. Like, try to beat me. If you want 109 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: to do a sword drill with the Bible, all beat you. 110 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm awesome. I've done my quiet times. I mean, 111 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: I'm just awesome. And once I left being a pastor, 112 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: if you will, like just a full time guy, I 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: quit working for God, working for God to suck the 114 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: life out of me. It was like exhausting trying to 115 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: evangelize for him, trying to do all these good things 116 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: for him, trying to feed the homeless for him, I mean, 117 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: just all these things for him. And I said, I'm 118 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: gonna never work for you again. I'm exhausted. I'm just 119 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: gonna hang out with you for the rest of my days. 120 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: So included in that me quitting working for God was 121 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: me also quitting schmoozing people to get what I want 122 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: and what I think is best for God's kingdom. And 123 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: so I actually was like, I'm not gonna shrewbooos, barred 124 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: or try to get in with those guys. I mean, 125 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: we'll be friendly and we'll have fun together, but I'm 126 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: not going to try to like make my way in there. 127 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: It's just not my job. That's Jesus' job, it's not mine. 128 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: So I mean, we got a lot of fun. We 129 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: talked and enjoyed each other. But then on that first 130 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: tour we really became close and it was like, oh, 131 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: I think we just found really close friends right here. 132 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been so fun. Our wives are best friends, 133 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: our kids are best friends, and I'm on tour with 134 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: him right now. So yeah, I didn't know I was 135 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: impacting people. But isn't that the gift of just living today? 136 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: Like if we're joining Jesus that's our one job, then 137 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. I get to love the clerk at 138 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: the grocery store today, Like, yeah, it's way more fun 139 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: than like working for him. 140 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: He remembers kind of being annoyed by you. Did you 141 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: sense that at all? 142 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is full of it. He's full of it. 143 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: He's totally full of it. Nobody likes that guy. No, Yeah, 144 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: I mean we had just had a friend. We had 145 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,119 Speaker 2: just had a friend who told me the night before 146 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,119 Speaker 2: who's one of a really good mutual friends. He's like, dude, 147 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: I think you guys are going to be best friends. 148 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: And so I just told Barta said, dude, I was 149 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: just talking to I was just talking to our friend Matt, 150 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: and he says, we're supposed to be best friend, so 151 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, who knows? And yeah, Bart was going through 152 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: a hard time in that season, and he was yeah. 153 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: I mean for a guy like Bart, you know, fame 154 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: is a really dangerous thing, and I think in the 155 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: Christian world it's even more dangerous in a lot of ways. 156 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: And I think everybody wants something from Bart and from 157 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: famous people, and I just decided I don't want to 158 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: be that guy. I don't want to be the guy 159 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: who wants something from him. So I'm just me and 160 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: I'm just kind of a dork and I have a 161 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: lot of fun in life. And I'm sure at the 162 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: beginning is like who is this yahoo? 163 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, let's talk about how this became a movie. 164 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: At what point did you realize it might be movie? 165 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: And how did that begin? I mean, what was the 166 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: spark for the film? 167 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think my good look, to be honest, I 168 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: really themed seemed to be a big impetus for that. 169 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: And it hurts me that you at that. No, I 170 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: they wanted to do a movie, a second movie. One 171 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: of the producers, Cindy Bond, wanted to do another one 172 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: about even if she loved that song so much, and 173 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: they were gonna try to get some fan mail, to 174 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 2: get some stories just from people that have listened to 175 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: the song and have been encouraging, and everybody's like, nah, 176 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: we don't want to do it. Who needs another movie 177 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 2: about us? Which I love about the whole Mercy Meat 178 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: Crew by the way, that they're not like, you know 179 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: what we should do, we should do another movie about us, 180 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: Like they were like, no, we don't need that. No, 181 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: not too And then once he and one of the 182 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: other producers, Brent Writer producers, got together and kind of 183 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: he told Brent his journey with Sam and then how 184 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: my journey with cancer. Brent's like, uh, oh, I think 185 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: you just found your movie. So yeah, I just I 186 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 2: don't take myself that serious and don't think I'm that awesome, 187 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: to be honest, And so this is just kind of 188 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: a fun season for us to go great Jesus, you 189 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: open this door. It's not something we've opened or tried 190 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: to make happen, and so we get to love people 191 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: that are in front of us. 192 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: There's my events. Midleia portrays you did you were you 193 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: fired up? When you learned who was gonna play you 194 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: in the movie. 195 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I knew who he was just because 196 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: my girls watch Gilmore girls, like you know, religiously, they 197 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: know that way better than they know the Bible, which 198 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: is a proud parent moment. And I remember telling my daughter, like, Babe, 199 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: I think my love and Tamilias coulda played me, and 200 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: she's like, she started crying in my living room. My heir, 201 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: I'm like, babe, you can't cry. But the dude that's 202 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: playing your dad, you know that, like you know. So, yeah, 203 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: it's been pretty fun. And he's like one of the 204 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: greatest humans around. He acts more like Jesus than most 205 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 2: Christians I know, which is fascinating and you got to 206 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: put that into your theology as well and try to 207 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: figure out how that works, because the way that he 208 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: loves is like the heart of Jesus. Like he'll always 209 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: put me in the highest place of honor, even though 210 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: he's the guy, like he's the dude, right, but he'll 211 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: he'll make sure I'm in the highest place of honor. 212 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: He gets to know. He got to know everybody's name 213 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: on set and something about them, and he like serves 214 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: people the whole time, I'm like, dude, I you know, 215 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: And I told him our first hang, I said, just 216 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: so you know, I will never try to like proselytize 217 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: you or get you into my Christian club, just so 218 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: you know, I just want to be friends and love 219 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: you well and learn from each other. And so that's 220 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: kind of been our relationship. And man, he looks a 221 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: lot like Jesus in a lot of ways, and I'm 222 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: really challenged by him and encouraged by him. And I 223 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: think the same goes for him too, which has been 224 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: so special. 225 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: As we began closing, let's talk about what you do 226 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: right on your wrist every morning. It's in the film, 227 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: and the movie you say it initially stood for the 228 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: Christ and it's a daily ritual. Now I'm curious, what 229 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: was the first day like when you did that? Were 230 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: you inspired by something you had read, something you had seen? 231 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: How did this all start? 232 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? Before I got I found out about cancer, there 233 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: was a scripture that kept coming up from me to 234 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: live as Christ, to die is gain and I kept 235 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: hearing it everywhere I went. I was teaching on it, 236 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 2: or I would like hear on the radio. It was 237 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: just such a weird, like, man, this is too weird 238 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: to be just coincidence. And so I kind of became 239 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: my life verse like for me to live as Christ, 240 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: to die, to die is gain. And then I found 241 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 2: out about cancer and they gave me five years to live, 242 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: and it was like, okay, wow, this just got real 243 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: that my life is to live with Jesus, not for them, 244 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: but just with them. And so when I wrote the 245 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: ex used to stand for the Christ. And so when 246 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: I just said I'm done trying to live for me 247 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 2: and build my kingdom, my kingdom is so silly. So Jesus, 248 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: this is about you. I just get to hang with 249 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: you for the rest of my days. And if you 250 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: waited me up again, I will write Christ on my wrist, 251 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: remembering that I get to be a representer of you 252 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: to anybody. 253 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: In front of me. 254 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: I get to join you in the cool things that 255 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: you're doing, and I don't have to be awesome. In fact, 256 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: it's better if I'm not awesome. So that's kind of 257 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: why I started writing it. And then it was like 258 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: every day I kids, I get to wake up again. 259 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: So that's that's a that's a real big gift. 260 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: Is it, as Sharpie? What kind of market do you 261 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: use for this? 262 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a sharp but again I don't know. 263 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: I just it's all I have. And I just started 264 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: writing the X on my wrist and somebody's like, well, 265 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: you're gonna get sick. I'm like, you know what, maybe 266 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: then don't write next on your wrist. But for me, 267 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, if I get something because I'm remembering Jesus 268 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: all day long, I'm fine. And if that's how, if 269 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: I get taken, that's like, man, okay, that's great, sue me. 270 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: So for me, it's just it's a daily instead of 271 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: a tattoo, it's the daily reminder of like this, I 272 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: would get good at what I practice. I'm going to 273 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: practice being present and aware and saying Jesus you have 274 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: my attention. Today, Hillary and I wrote a book called 275 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: Waking Up Again, and the whole concept of it is 276 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: how do we wake up more intentionally? And I want 277 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: to I just to give you Jesus people, if we 278 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: can wake up and join Jesus. I mean, imagine what 279 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: could happen even in our country alone, if Jesus people 280 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: stopped just doing our religious thing, but we just began 281 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: to say Jesus, you have my attention. I want to 282 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: wake up today and be more intentional about just joining 283 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: you and what you're doing. Man, then we're going to 284 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: be hated because we are the biggest blessers of others. 285 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: We bless our enemies. We are the people who people 286 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: hate because we are so generous that it's like, man, 287 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, let's hate us for that. So anyways, I 288 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: get really excited about if Jesus people begin to actually 289 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: practice the heart of Jesus in the world. So that's 290 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: why I write music, That's why I'm writing books, is 291 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: putting this stuff out there and inviting Jesus people to 292 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: join them. 293 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Amen to that. Let's as we do close, let's chat 294 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: briefly about your ten thousand minutes ministry podcasts all of 295 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: that for those who are just learning about this. What 296 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: is ten thousand minutes? And I can they find out 297 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: more information about it? 298 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, everybody there, you're welcome. Ahead of time. 299 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: There are ten thousan on an eighty minutes in a week. 300 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: I mean, you feel better by your life right time 301 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: those eighty minutes in a week. Eighty of those minutes 302 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: are spent in some church gathering. If that's what you do, 303 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: which is awesome building or a coffee shop or something. 304 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: But eighty minutes that we gather as the church, and 305 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: there are ten thousand other minutes until we gather again. 306 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: And I'm so good in those eighty but somebody cuts 307 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: me off for the ten thousand minutes, and I have 308 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: other things to show them, right, And yet Jesus is like, no, 309 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: in the ten thousand minutes. What if you practiced my 310 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: heart in the ten thousandnutes, what have you started praying 311 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: blessing for that person to just cut you off? Instead 312 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: of curses and memes, we just started like putting all 313 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: these little practices and into play. I think Christians are 314 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: so fat on content Christian content, but so anemic in 315 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: the way of practicing the heart of Jesus. And so 316 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: I just wanted to be found inviting the church with 317 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: me because as I'm doing this every day, going man, 318 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: I keep blowing it and Jesus keeps disrupting me. What 319 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: can happen if Jesus people practice the heart of Jesus. 320 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: So that's the whole idea of ten thousand minutes, is 321 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: giving us practices that we can do every week. 322 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: Ten thousand minutes dot com. I believe is. The website 323 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: is a ten Yeah, zero minutes dot com. If you 324 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: like today's episode, please subscribe and leave a five star review. 325 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: That's how we help more people just like you find 326 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: the show. A big thanks to the team at life 327 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: Audio for their partnership with us on the podcast. 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