1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: For more resources to help you in your walk with Christ, 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: please visit us at Bible Studyheadquarters dot com. You're listening 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: to the Dwell on These Things podcast. I'm John Stongy 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: and it's great to have you with us this week 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: as always, and today I'm very excited to welcome a 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: very special guest to the podcast. We have Paulu Sealis Pereira, 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: known to soccer fans around the world simply as sealless 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: Cealis rose from humble beginnings in Brazil, overcoming childhood sickness 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: and poverty to eventually represent Brazil in two World Cups 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighty six and in nineteen ninety. Over 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: the course of his remarkable career, he's played professionally across 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: four continents, became a respected coach, and now serves as 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: an international broadcaster with ESPN. But what makes his story 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: so compelling isn't just the success that he's experienced on 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 2: the field. It's also the deeper story behind all of it. 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: How his faith in God shaped his decisions and sustained 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: him through challenges, and also helped him understand that identity 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: and purpose go far beyond athletic achievement. And Celus has 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: recently released a brand new book. It's called Beyond Success, 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God and Glory. It 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: was just released by Harvest House Publishers. And so today 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: we're going to be talking with Cealis about his journey, 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 2: about his faith, about the lessons that he's learned through 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 2: a lifetime being involved in professional soccer, and then also 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: just what true success really looks like. So, Cealus, welcome 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: to the podcast. It's an honor to have you with us. 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, my pleasure to be with you. 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Well, we're glad to have you with us. 30 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: And I thought maybe we would just start with your 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: growing up experience. So you describe growing up in pretty 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: humble circumstances in Brazil, and I wonder as you look back, 33 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: how do you think those early struggles shape your character 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: and maybe your perspective on success. 35 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: Oh. 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: I think that I was born in a Christian family, 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 4: So in spite of the situation, uh we we we 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 4: had been taught by my father because I think, as 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: you know, I lost my mother when I was five 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: years old, so my father must be mom and dad 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 4: for me and my my eight eight brothers. 42 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: Sisters and brothers. 43 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: So he taught us many values and principles about the 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: loves God for us. And UH, through this we we 45 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: could face and UH and UH face the difficult and 46 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: and goes on as well. 47 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: Wonderful. Isn't it wonderful when parents step up like that? 48 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: When your father stepped up like that and served your 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: family that way, that's a wonderful example of godliness and 50 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: even the love of God. 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, my dad I lost him. We lost 52 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 4: him when he was nineteen years old. But during the 53 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 4: before he dies, he was incredible, a man man of God, 54 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 4: and every one of us we are proud about what 55 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 4: they do and how big he was for a family 56 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: and was not easy. 57 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: But with him and with God, we could face this timing. 58 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful. 59 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: Now as a child, you also dealt with some health 60 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: challenges and just some other uncertain to use about your future. 61 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: And I wonder, at what. 62 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: Point did you believe begin to believe that soccer might 63 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: be part of God's plan for your life? 64 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I I I was so skinny and coach Coach 65 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 4: used to say, what what this. 66 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: Guy comes to here? 67 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 4: When I when I go trial, what what this guy 68 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: comes to here to do here, he comes here to eat. 69 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: And but people when when we played as a teenager, 70 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 4: used to say, you have chance, you have chance, go trial. 71 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,559 Speaker 4: You have talent to to to become a professional soccer player, 72 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 4: because one thing is playing soccer, the other thing is 73 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: having the gift or the talent to become a professional. 74 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 4: And people used to say, go trial, because you have chance. 75 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: And then I believe in that. Also my my old brother, 76 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 4: he was a soccer player as well, he used to 77 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: say to me in Powel my twin brother the same, 78 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: go go, go, go, And we believe in that, and 79 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: we went to to try and the things goes well 80 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 4: for us. 81 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: Love that the Lord opened up a lot of doors 82 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: for you through the years. You ended up representing Brazil 83 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: in two World Cups. And I wonder was there a 84 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: particular moment during those tournaments when the magnitude of what 85 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: God was allowing you to experience really hit you personally? 86 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: Oh, I think, Uh, Joshua in the Bible, in the 87 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: chapter in the Bible, in the Book of Joshua, chapter one, 88 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: verse nine, Uh, the Bible says be strong and courageous 89 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 4: and don't don't have afraid. 90 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: Because I am your God. I will be with you 91 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 3: wherever you go. 92 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 4: So this is always UH was my favorite verse in 93 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 4: the Bible. And in spite of being skinny, in spite 94 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: of the sickness and how struggles I have to face, 95 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 4: I always have this relationship with with Jesus. And then 96 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 4: this for me was the strength that I have inside 97 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: to face. 98 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: It's wonderful and you talk a lot about that in 99 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: your new book Beyond Success You you also talk about 100 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: this idea of so as an expression of your faith 101 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: in Jesus Christ. Do you talk about pursuing goals, God 102 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: and glory? And I wonder how would you define true 103 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: success now compared to maybe how you defined it earlier 104 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: in your career. 105 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: I think when when you you, you doesn't know God's 106 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 4: love or the. 107 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: Life with him. Uh. 108 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 4: Success, it's only UH. Play in a professional club here 109 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: in Brazil is a play some paulicis one of the 110 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: big clubs here in Brazil, South America, even in the world, 111 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 4: and also play in Brazil national team under twenty. We 112 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 4: want in Russia, then professional in Mexico, then in in 113 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 4: in Italy. But for me, UH, the true success is 114 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: being a man of integrity, being a good father, good 115 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: son as well, and helping people, most of the ones 116 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 4: that cannot give you back nothing. Then we have a 117 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: project uh to do this Uh being a good husband 118 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 4: and raising your kids in a proper way. And and 119 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 4: and uh that's what I tried to do during my 120 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 4: whole life. 121 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: And in in an. 122 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 4: Universe where uh four or five are bankrupt, divorced and 123 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: unemployee two years after their retirement. So it's it's a 124 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: bad statistics. So but I am out of that. So 125 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 4: this makes me happy and for me, the success it's uh, 126 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 4: it's is this in Uh, even when you have a fame, 127 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 4: you can have earned money, good money that comes from 128 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 4: the football or soccer, maintain your heart in the in 129 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: the right things and maintain the humility, uh, put the 130 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 4: people in in a in a place better than yours. 131 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: So I think this is success for me. 132 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: Wonderful. 133 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very different perspective than what many people 134 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: in this world tend to feel. Success looks like you're 135 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: you're defining success through the lens of the Lord's eyes 136 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: as he as he teaches you what to value in 137 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: life versus what this world tends to value. 138 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. 139 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: And second Timot in chapter three. The bibble says about 140 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: how the people are in this in this moment like 141 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 4: loving more the pleasures than loving God, so thinking about 142 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 4: themselves and in spite of thinking in orders, and they 143 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: don't understand how big God is, how small we are 144 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 4: and the places we are living. So how to do 145 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 4: all this together and live a life that the that 146 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: is good for us and also can help others. 147 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely love that, Cee Lis. When I mentioned to 148 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: some of the people that I know that you are 149 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: going to be joining me for the podcast today, they 150 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: were very excited about it. And one of the people 151 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 2: that gave me some questions that I'd like to share 152 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: with you. He's the men's soccer coach for Karen University, 153 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: a friend of mine. His name is Luke Gibson, and 154 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: he was really excited to know that we would be 155 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: chatting today and he certainly appreciates your career and your testimony, 156 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: and I have a couple questions from him. The first 157 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: one he said is this, He said, in many ways, 158 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: you lived out the childhood dream of countless Brazilians playing 159 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: professionally wearing the national team jersey. And when that chapter 160 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: finally came to a close, what emotions surfaced for you? 161 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: What did that season reveal to you about who you 162 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: were beyond football, and did it shake or deepen your 163 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: faith during that transition? When that season closed, what emotions 164 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: really surfaced for you and and what did that look like? 165 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 4: Oh, looking for the in a in a In a 166 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 4: secular point of view, I finished in my career playing 167 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: in the youth national team, then the professional national team, 168 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 4: and now a play for the master team for Brazil 169 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 4: national Master team as well. So I'm I'm playing and 170 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 4: serving my country in all my entire life. Uh, serving 171 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: the Brazil national team. So in a secular, secular way, 172 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: it's it's okay. But God always have the second step, 173 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 4: and the second step for me was being a coach, 174 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: head coach, and I I didn't went out for the 175 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 4: world of soccer. I just not being a soccer player. 176 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: But I have to manage a soccer player's career inside 177 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 4: the field. 178 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: And I did this for eleven years. 179 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 4: And then what I was about to finish this one, 180 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 4: I go to the Yes, I went to ESPN uh 181 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 4: and I'm in there about seven to eighty years. 182 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 3: So I am in the world of soccer. 183 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: You really are? Do you enjoy it. 184 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: Now. 185 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: Do you enjoy being a commentator for ESPN. 186 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to start a lot more than yeah. 187 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: I have to study a lot more than when I 188 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 4: was in school, because we have to know about coach named, 189 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: reference name, player's name from here from outside. Because we 190 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 4: cover uh La Liga, we covered the Bundesliga, we cover 191 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 4: Argentina football, we covered Portugal Italy. 192 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: So but it's interesting and I'm I'm so happy. 193 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 4: For this chance in this door God's open for me 194 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: to continue in a world of sorc. 195 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: The Lord certainly has opened up many doors for you 196 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: and you represent him and that that's a wonderful thing 197 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: that you're choosing to do with these doors that the 198 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: Lord's opening up. Luke Gibson also has this question. He says, 199 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 2: Brazil carries some of the highest expectations in world football 200 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: or world soccer. In moments of pressure, anxiety or disappointment, 201 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: how did your faith influence the way you responded both 202 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: on the field and off the field. 203 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 4: Inside the field, on the field, I tried to to 204 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: to be an an example for the orders for the 205 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 4: other players, my teammates, so from the beginning to the end, 206 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 4: believing that we can't we could succeed and uh, in 207 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: spite of winning or losing, being my best, doing. 208 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: My best, giving my best. 209 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: And uh, I think this is this is because it's 210 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 4: not it's not a tennis then you are you depend 211 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 4: most on you in the court, and you know in 212 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: the soccer field you you have a. 213 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: Ten to help you. 214 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 4: And you have so uh and and and now and 215 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: now it is out of the field. I think that 216 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 4: it's uh, it's a way to to help people and 217 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: players talking to them about no matter what is happening today, 218 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: we have we will have another another trend uh in 219 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: front of us. So let's forget this and go to 220 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: to the audience and try to do better because the 221 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: other side there are eleven players trying to do the same. 222 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 4: So it's uh. I think it's and being and being honest. 223 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 4: Uh when you play, when you go inside the field 224 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: in life as well, about contracts, about when you have 225 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 4: to to to play hard, play hard, but in an 226 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 4: honest way, I think, and when. 227 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: The days and months and years. 228 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: Are passive, people can see not only when you speak, 229 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 4: but people can see also the way you behave inside 230 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 4: or outside the field, how you manage money, how you 231 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: manage fame, how you manage Uh, uh, you you we 232 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: become idols for events, but for us we not idols. 233 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 4: We are just someone that God gave you ataska gift 234 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 4: to play. 235 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: And they want to see this. 236 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: I think it's that yeah, yeah, you bring up this 237 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: idea of idols or idolatry. I think we as human 238 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: beings are are great at at finding idols instead of 239 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: realizing that Christ himself is the only one who could 240 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: satisfy the deepest longings of our souls. And uh, there's 241 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: certainly people like yourself that I think there's value in 242 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: learning from and looking up to. But at the same time, 243 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: Christ himself is the one ultimately that that our greatest 244 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: hope is found in. 245 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the humility. It's a virtue, but it's also 246 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: a trick when you can't think that that he has 247 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 4: he don't have anymore. So you must show this during 248 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 4: your relationship with people and with the relationship with God, 249 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 4: and the relationship with the press as well. 250 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: So absolutely so. 251 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: You you work with the press a lot. Now you're 252 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: you're you're dealing with the press a lot. You're part 253 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: of the press as you work as an international broadcaster 254 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: with ESPN, has your perspective towards the game changed compared 255 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: to when you were competing professionally versus now that you're 256 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: a professional broadcaster. 257 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: You mean the game the inside of field or for 258 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 4: for me, how how is changed? 259 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of both, you know, as you 260 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: as you observe and comment on the work of others, 261 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: but also some of the things that over time the 262 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: Lord's been revealing to you. 263 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: Now that you have that perspective, yeah. 264 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 4: I think uh uh inside of inside of field is 265 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 4: uh now you have h the vart you say var 266 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 4: when they go to check the situation. I think this 267 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 4: bring more chances to small clubs because uh in in 268 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 4: the past, uh referees's. 269 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: More to the biggest club. 270 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 4: And uh in spite of us seeing the house situation 271 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 4: and and and make the right decision. 272 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: Uh. 273 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 4: Now we have also young players moving to Europe, to Asia, 274 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 4: uh to also to America to play there. In my 275 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 4: in my time in the past was different. Only when 276 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 4: you play for Brazilian national team, you has a chance 277 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 4: to go to Italy. Italy was the most important country 278 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 4: and basically where soccer. Brazilian soccer players want the desires 279 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 4: to go. Ah so but and and uh in in 280 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 4: in the other way you you you ask about in. 281 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: Life, right, yeah, absolutely. 282 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: I think the changes. 283 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 4: It's now now, no, from twenty years to now, marriages 284 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 4: become like not taking in in a serious way. I 285 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 4: mean I have been marriaged about thirty eight years and 286 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 4: from twenty years to now. 287 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: Six to ten finished. They divorced after three years. 288 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: So the result of this we have now kids or 289 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 4: they are in the independent or. 290 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 3: Or dependent of situations. 291 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 4: So it's not good and we see a bad behavior 292 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 4: in a children and nowasdays and so father and mother 293 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 4: being together is so important to raise kids. For me 294 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 4: and Adiani my wife, we took ten years of our 295 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 4: lives to spend in the confront of our children their career. 296 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 4: So now we have a three thirty five years old Nata, 297 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 4: thirty three years old Carol, and twenty ninety years old Caleb. 298 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 4: And all marriage, we have two grandsons. The third one 299 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 4: is coming is on the way. My daughter is a doctor, 300 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 4: and so this is I think this is when you 301 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 4: you start doing purpose in life, when you take care 302 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 4: about first your family and your nuclear family, and then 303 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 4: you can help your standard family and then your friends 304 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 4: in the community. We serve as well, so I think 305 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 4: I think this is in this time of changes, when 306 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: you have a way to follow, I think this is 307 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 4: good for one. 308 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: Very good, very good one final question I wanted to 309 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: ask you during our time here together. So your new 310 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: book was just released. It's called Beyond Success. And as 311 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: readers pick up a copy. I just had a friend 312 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: tell me the other day he picked up a copy, 313 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: so I'm sure he's enjoyed reading it. You got a 314 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: copy right there, So if you're watching us on video, 315 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: take a look at that. And if readers walk away 316 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: from your book Beyond Success, remembering just one thing, what's 317 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 2: the main thing you hope somebody learns by reading that 318 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: book or the main thing you want them to take away. 319 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 4: John, I think that regardless the profession people choose or 320 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 4: the things they do. I'm not a soccer player, I 321 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 4: have know the talent to be a soccer player, I 322 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 4: think regard regardless regardless this, I think people can find 323 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 4: into the book values and principles that they that they 324 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 4: can apply for their lives as well. 325 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 3: So I think that's the idea. 326 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 4: The fame is good, rich the things you proposed to do, 327 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: it's also good, but there are values there are principles. 328 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 4: And because a soccer player it's a career, it's about 329 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 4: eighteen to twenty years. 330 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: What do you do with your life after that? 331 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 4: So when I was thirty eight years old, i finished 332 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 4: my career and I had sixty years to live. 333 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: What to do with this? So in. 334 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: Having a true encounter with God, I think this is 335 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 4: there we will find when you read the book, and 336 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 4: for me, this is the most important things. 337 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: Great counsel. 338 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: Love that our guest today has been Sealless Sealus's new book, 339 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 2: Beyond Success, One Athlete's Outstanding Pursuit of Goals, God and Glory. 340 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: You can find it at Amazon dot com. You could 341 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: also find it at Beyond Success dot info Beyond Success 342 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: dot info. Sealus, It's been a pleasure to have you 343 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: with us. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom 344 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: with us today. 345 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: Thanks John, You're welcome. Sorry, mind, this is not good enough, 346 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 4: but I'm trying to improve that. 347 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: So you did great. 348 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: Think a lot God. 349 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank God. Bless you as well.