1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: A perspective. You haven't heard about the taking out of 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: a cartel boss in Mexico? Is this one I've got? 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Michael fraanzis former Kappa regime of the Columbo crime family 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: in New York. He sees the vacuum created now by 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Elmentho being taken out, and he sees what the cartel 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: is doing in reaction. It's very different than what the 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: crime families back in the day in New York would do. 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: But his perspective is one you can't miss. Watch it 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: right now, the mob boss is killed, what happens to 10 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: the family, What happens to that group, what happens to 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the cartel immediately? 12 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: Well, always there's a power struggle. Who's going to take 13 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: his place, what's going to happen or their outside family 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: is going to try to intervene in some way. There's 15 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: always chaos when something like this happens, and it's absolutely 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: happening in Mexico now. 17 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, is that vacuum one that was unexpected 18 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: or is there always sort of like you were second 19 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: in line? There are people who are foot soldiers out front. 20 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: Are the cartels made the same kind of way as 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: the old Mafia film or the mob families in New York. 22 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Are they different? 23 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 2: You know, it's different, Joe. We had we had a 24 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: succession in place. Normally you had a boss, you had 25 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: an underboss, so there was a likely successor. With the cartels, 26 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: it's different. It's a power struggle. Now, it's chaos. Nobody 27 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: anticipated that this guy was going to be taken out, 28 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: so a lot of good things, a lot of different 29 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: things could be happening. Now. You could have another cartel, 30 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: like the Cineloa cartel, looking to absorb this cartel r 31 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 2: you know, into their faction. You can have some small 32 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: independence that are going to look to take some of 33 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: the business away. And then obviously you're going to have 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 2: people from within. They're going to be striving to get 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: things in order again. Right now, it's all about protecting 36 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: that cartel and their operation. 37 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: It's Michael Frenzies. Go and get Frenzies Wine's going to 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: Michael Frenzies dot com. Follow him on YouTube, almost two 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: million followers now subs over there. The guy does an 40 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: amazing job and by the way, reformed. He's not still 41 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: a mob boss. He's a pastor, he's an author, he's 42 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: a great dad and Grandpa. So let's talk about the 43 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: power struggle that you just mentioned, generally speaking in New York. 44 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: As we talked about a lot on my show and 45 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: even off the show, there was a lot of succession. 46 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: As you just said, there probably is something like that 47 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: in this cartel. But do you get the sense, because 48 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: I know you've got people that have been telling you 49 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: stuff that others haven't heard, do you get the sense 50 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: that there might be more than one person who thought, 51 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: well it's mine now? Could there be infighting in that 52 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: very cartel which actually makes them available for outside cartels 53 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: to try to come in. What does the internal power 54 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: struggle look like compared to the possible external want for territory? 55 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me tell you. In the mob my formal life, 56 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: two things. It would be different situations. If a guy 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: was a boss was dying of old age or you know, 58 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: all of a sudden sickness, then normally the underboss would 59 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: take over, you know, at least until another boss by 60 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: all the men. If let's say the men weren't satisfied 61 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: with the underboss, there may be some kind of a 62 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: movement inside to put somebody else in power. You don't know, 63 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: if a boss gets killed then normally the person that's 64 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: going to make that he's ready to take over, like 65 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: in the case of John Gotti and Paul Castellano. John, 66 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: you know, he implemented that scheme to kill Paul and 67 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: then he took over his boss. He had everything in 68 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: place at that point. With the cartels is going to 69 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: be different. There is going to be a vacuum. Now. 70 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: They weren't prepared for this in any way because Olmncho. 71 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 2: You know a number of times they tried to take 72 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 2: this guy out and they were very unsuccessful. And by 73 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: the way, Joe he was the supreme ruler. He was 74 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: a very violent guy. He kept things in order. Nobody 75 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: wanted to try to upset him in any way. You know, 76 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: I've learned so much about this guy. He really, you know, 77 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: had a firm control over that cartel. So there was 78 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: nobody ready to take its place because they didn't expect 79 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: this to happen. So now there is a power of 80 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: vacuum there and people are going to be striving for 81 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: the top. And like I said, the other cartels and 82 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: some of the independent cartels are going to be looking 83 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: to take over the business because they know that they're 84 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: in a disarray. Right now. 85 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: You know, he makes such a great place. I didn't 86 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: even think about that. If somebody's dying of cancer, old 87 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: age or something like that, you see it coming. There's 88 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: a structure in place, here's the hierarchy. He goes and 89 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: the next guy steps in. This thing was completely out 90 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: of the blue. Do you think that they had no clue? 91 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Because he had to know that he was wanted and 92 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: he was on the run all the time. I get that, 93 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: But do you think they had no clue what was 94 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: coming down right then? I mean they had to surprise 95 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: him or else they wouldn't have gotten him right. 96 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a total surprise from the intel that 97 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: I got on it. He didn't know he was moving 98 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: from one place to another. You know, I don't know 99 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: if you know this, but he had a kidney problem. 100 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: I did not know he was onalysis for six or 101 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: seven or eight hours a day. 102 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 103 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: He actually had a hospital built in one of his 104 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: compounds because he was afraid to go to the hospital 105 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 2: because they would be able to track him. So we 106 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: had an entire hospital built in one of his compounds. 107 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: What happened he was very interesting. You know. The American government, 108 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: our intelligence did play a significant role in this, and 109 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: that they were tracking him through the movement of medical 110 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: devices for quite some time. They had an idea deal 111 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: with airy he was in, but it was really a 112 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: woman that came to visit him that they were tracking 113 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: quite a bit, and that's how she led them to him, 114 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: And it was a total surprise. He didn't expect it 115 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: in any way. 116 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: How brutal was this guy. You've talked about the brutality. 117 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: Others that I've spoken with have talked about the brutality. 118 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: It seems as though different from the New York families, 119 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: where look, there was brutality there, there was violence there, 120 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem to be anything like we're talking 121 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: about here, pulling eyes out or grabbing a heart out 122 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: of somebody's chest before they die and show it to them. 123 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to be something unbelievably over the 124 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: top brutal. And if you know how brutal they were, 125 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: I want to know. But also, why would you take 126 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: that tactic just to scare the death out of everybody 127 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: else from even trying to challenge you? 128 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: You know, Joe, I've heard things and this. I would 129 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: never say anything unless I wasn't sure of what I 130 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: was saying. But you know, they went to this extreme 131 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: their trainees in order to get into that cartel and 132 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: work in that cartel and prosper They resorted to cannibalism. 133 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: What do I mean by that? They would take an enemy, 134 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: cut off a piece of his flesh and have the 135 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 2: trainee eat that flesh. 136 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 137 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: And there was an instance, and I got this on 138 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: very very good information, There was an instance and one 139 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: of the trainees was eating the flesh, spit it out 140 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: because he just couldn't handle it, and they told him. 141 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: They put a gun to his head and said you 142 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: eat it right now or you die. Well, he picked 143 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: it up and he ate it again. I mean, they 144 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: resorted to this type of tactic. And yes, what you said, 145 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: cut a guy's chest open, pulled out his heart, showed 146 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 2: everybody gave it to somebody to eat at that point. 147 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: I mean this guy was brutal. He was really brutal. 148 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: So nobody wanted to cross him in that life because 149 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: they knew if they you got one shot at him, 150 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: if you missed, you're in trouble deep. 151 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: Michael Michael Frenzies dot com Go and follow our good 152 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: friend Michael Frenzy's form Kappa Regima, the Columbo crime family. 153 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: I always appreciate the time and the access. And that's 154 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: just nuts to me because I know what the goal 155 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: was of the New York crime families. Make as much 156 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: money as you can control the rackets, do things, and 157 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: get away with it. It was almost a cat and 158 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: mouse with the authorities. I get it. And yes there 159 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: was some brutality there, and yes people died. I mean 160 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: I understand that. Can you, for the life of you, 161 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: even going back to you know, in your memories of 162 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: living in that life, can you imagine why you would 163 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: want to be to eat somebody else's flesh or pull 164 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: somebody's heart out again, I get it. You want to 165 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: scare everybody to death to even try to lift a 166 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: finger to you. I understand that. But this is this 167 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: seems to be almost ritualistic. This seems to be some 168 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: sort of a disgusting religious thing. What is this, Joe? 169 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: You know, you got to understand the difference between the 170 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: American mafia and even the mafia in Italy and the cartels. 171 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: They're really in a whole different universe. Understand this. The 172 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: cartels in Mexico, they're basically a paramilitary unit. They have weapons, 173 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: they have military capacity weapons, They control a vast part 174 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: of the country. In many ways, the government doesn't even 175 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: want to mess with them because they know how what 176 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: an effect and an impact it'll have on the entire country, 177 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: right because there'll be bloodshed, there'll be cities exploding, there'll 178 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: be people getting killed, it'll be a war, it'll be 179 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: an internal war. So they try to do their best 180 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: to appease them. I believe if it wasn't for the 181 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: United States putting pressure on Mexico, they wouldn't even bother 182 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: with these cartels. They let them do their business and 183 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: they'd leave it alone. That's what I believe, But the 184 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: American government puts a lot of pressure on them. We 185 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: were not even in the same universe. We had a 186 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: different way of controlling the country. We did it differently. 187 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: We weren't as brutal as that. People got killed in 188 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: our life, no question, but we weren't brutal like that, Joe. 189 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: We weren't involved in the drug We're not in the 190 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: same breadth or universe when it comes to drugs as 191 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: the cartels were. And that's true of Italy too, even 192 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 2: though in Italy there were major heroin dealers, but they 193 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: didn't act like this. We were told, you don't bother families, 194 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: you don't bother women, you don't bother children, you don't 195 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: go after government people, you don't go after the media. 196 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: In Mexico, they go after everybody. You don't cross them, 197 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: so people are feared. The big way they keep control 198 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: is by fear if people don't want to mess with 199 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: them in any way. And it's different with us. I'm 200 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: not saying there wasn't a level of fear with us, 201 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: but not anywhere to the extent of the cartels. 202 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: And you make this clear to me a lot of times, Michael, 203 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: that you guys aren't going after families. You guys were 204 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: not going after somebody who wasn't involved in some form 205 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: or fashion with the business of the families. And again, 206 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: as you said, you're not going after law enforcement. Although 207 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: there was a three to two vote to almost take 208 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: out Rudy Giuliani, but at the end of the day, 209 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't anything like this. When we see Elmentho taking 210 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: out what happened immediately. They're setting cars on fire with 211 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: anybody driving down the road. They're taking over gas stations 212 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: and blowing them up. They blow up the Costco and 213 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 1: they're looking at plumes of smoke coming out of a 214 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: place where people just go and shop. What is this reaction? 215 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: Is it again to control the population? Don't mess with us? 216 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: Is it a reaction that they're in morning. I can't 217 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: believe you got our guy because I thought they would 218 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: be infighting like you and I just talked about. Plus, 219 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: they're going after the national Guard that took him out. 220 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: They killed thirty or thirty five of them so far. 221 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: But why are you going after the population? Why are 222 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: you attacking Costco? Can you figure that out? 223 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? It's a show of strength, show of power, and 224 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: they're basically telling the government, if you continue this, you 225 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: come after us, you continue this, this is what's going 226 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: to happen. There's going to be chaos and bloodshed over 227 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: the entire country. You know, they did it in various 228 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: cities all over the country. They're making the Mexican government 229 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: know this is going to be in all out war. 230 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: Are you ready for it? And that's what would back 231 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: them off. There's no question about it. 232 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: Michael. I've got to ask you, do you think that 233 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: it was smart of the US government to admit our 234 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: intelligence helped. And here's why I say that. We know 235 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people in Portavarta who are 236 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: from here. We know there are a lot of people 237 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: in Cancun. People go to Mexico all the time, Honoray, 238 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: They're everywhere the Mexico city. We know that Americans are there, 239 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: and we had to know that they'd be in harm's 240 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: way if we say, hey, we help them get the 241 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: bad guy. That's what the shelter in place thing is. 242 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: So so again, do you think it was smart to 243 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: say immediately our intelligence helped to get this guy. 244 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: No? I don't because I think you know, obviously it 245 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: wasn't intentional, but they did put, you know, American citizens 246 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: in harm's way absolutely, and right now. I mean, I 247 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: advise any American citizen until until there's some level of 248 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: control there and we know what's going to happen, I 249 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't go there, you know, and I think we're being 250 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: advised not to go there. And I visit Portabat there 251 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 2: quite a bit. We have a condo down and it's 252 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: always been a peaceful city, but now you know you 253 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: can't trust it anymore. I don't think the American government 254 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: should have should have made an announcement on that. I 255 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: think it was. It was irresponsible. That's that's my opinion. 256 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this Michael Freendz dot 257 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: com by the way, Michael Frenzias dot com, and go 258 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: and follow him on on YouTube. If you're not, you're 259 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: one of the few that's not following them on YouTube. 260 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: He's got millions of followers there. When you go to Portavarta, 261 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: and when you're there and you're relaxing and you're just 262 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: having a week away or whatever it is, are you 263 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: cognizant of the fact that it's being run by a cartel. 264 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: This Hellisco cartel clearly was running that area, but they 265 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: weren't going to get involved in getting away of the 266 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: tourism that was going on. Do you know when you 267 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: go there that that's a controlled area? 268 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's always in the back of your mind. 269 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: You know, my wife is Mexican, Mexican American, and she, 270 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: you know, her dad had relationships with a lot of 271 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: people even in the Mexican mafia at one time, right, 272 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: and you know, so we were aware of their control, 273 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: but we were also aware that you know, they they 274 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: have a lot of the legitimate businesses there that they're 275 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: part of, so they don't want to upset tourism. But 276 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: when something like this happens, well then the gloves are 277 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: off and they're showing the government, hey, you want to 278 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: mess with us, then this is what's going to happen. 279 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: We're going to cause chaos all over the country and 280 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: we'll fight you again. You know, a lot of the 281 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: weapons that they're you know, here's the problem, Joe. The 282 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: only way they're ever going to get this under control 283 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: as far as the drugs coming into this country, just 284 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: two ways. Number One, they got to educate the They 285 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: got to keep the borders closed. Obviously, it makes it 286 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: more difficult. They got to educate our kids at a 287 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: young age the dangers of drugs. They have to do that. 288 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: It's got to be taught in the schools. They have to. 289 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: They have to stop the demand here in America. And 290 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: you know the other thing that's happening. A lot of 291 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: the arms that the Mexicans have it coming from the 292 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 2: American black market. We're the ones that giving them the 293 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: arms that they have, you know, to fight the government. 294 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: So it's a two way street. Is it ever going 295 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 2: to stop it? Is this going to cause you know 296 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: the drug war here in this country to stop. The 297 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: answer is now, somebody is always going to fill in 298 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: in my opinion, until they really get this under control. 299 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: And I don't know if they can do it. I 300 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: don't know if the Mexican government has the will to 301 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: do it, and I don't know how much pressure of 302 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: the United States is going to keep putting on them. 303 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: But this is this is a tough situation, and I 304 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: am advising Americans stay out of there for now. You 305 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. 306 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: I think it's great advice. Michael Francis dot com go 307 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: and follow everything that he does. Get his wine as well. 308 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: Frans east Wine, let's compare and contrast when Castelana was 309 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: taken out at that point, do you think if they 310 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: had the wherewithal that the United States government, the federal government, 311 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: the FBI, even the Southern District of New York, had 312 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: they gone in, could they have shut down the game, 313 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: you know, crime family if they wanted to when the 314 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: boss was taken out? Or is that not a possibility. 315 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking is, I wonder could the Mexican government, 316 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: if it had the wherewithal, maybe with our help, could 317 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: they take out this entire cartel now because this guy 318 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: is gone, or is that too much of a reach. 319 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: No, Well, you know, as far as the mafia in 320 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: New York, I mean, they did a lot of damage 321 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: to us, Joe, it was all the Rico Act that 322 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: did it. It was and look, you got to give 323 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: Rudy the credit or the blame, depending upon what side 324 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: you're on. He was he was the guy that put 325 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: it into effect in a big way, and he damaged 326 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: it the right way. He turned so many people into 327 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: informants and he was able to put you know, the 328 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: major players in jail, and that's what did it put 329 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: a real dent in that life. Mexico, it's different. You know, 330 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: they would have to be an all out war. I mean, 331 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: there would be a war in that country, and they 332 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: would do it exactly what they did a couple of 333 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: days ago. They'd be bombing every city, they'd be taking 334 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: people hostage, they'd be killing people in the streets. They 335 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: don't have a value of human life in that regard. 336 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: So the Mexican government knows, hey, we're going to be 337 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: a war. This is going to be a war. Whether 338 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: the United States get involved at that part, at that point. 339 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: If a Mexican government has them to I think we would, 340 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: I really do. But it's not going to happen because 341 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: the country would be devastated. For quite you'd see a 342 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: war like you're having in Ukraine. It would be the 343 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: same thing. It would be a war. 344 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: Well, Michael, think about it. 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He was apologizing, apologizing, So 381 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, they have many people on the take 382 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 2: and on the payroll there, you know, more on the 383 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: local level than in the government itself. But it's both ways. 384 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: I think the Mexican government they just want peace. They 385 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: want to keep it calm. They don't want to upset 386 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: the apple cart And if they did, and they had 387 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: the will and the desire and they say no, we're 388 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: gonna end this, there would be an all out war. 389 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: Here's the horrible thing, Joe. These people in these cartels 390 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: are stronger than ever now because of fentanyl and these 391 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: meth and feminines and fetamines whatever, you know. They can 392 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: be produced synthetically twenty four hours a day, seven days 393 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: a week. It's not like they have to wait for 394 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: plans to grow and then harness them and do their thing. 395 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 2: These things are creating in the lab twenty four to 396 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: seven and there's such a demand for it that they're 397 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: making more money than they've ever made before. And this 398 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: they have more power and they have more influence than 399 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: they've ever had. 400 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: It is Michael Frenzies from a Copper Regime of the 401 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: Columbus crime family in New York. He's a pastor he's reformed, 402 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: he's an author, he's an amazing guy and a very 403 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: very good friend of mine when we talk about what's 404 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: going on with the cartels and the upheaval, and you're right, 405 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: they would start a war in Mexico. We do have 406 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: the ability because our government has said that these cartels 407 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: are terrorist organizations. We could send in drones and just 408 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: blow them off the map. Now, I think that that 409 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: would make it really rough in Mexico, I get it. 410 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: But internationally, through their terrorism laws, we could do that. Michael. 411 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: If Donald Trump called you today and said, hey, Frenzies, 412 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: should I send in some drones and take these guys out? 413 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: What would your advice be? 414 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: Well, you know, the problem there is I know that 415 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: a lot of innocent people are going to be killed 416 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: because they're going to react, and like I said, they 417 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: don't in their view, it's not let's go after the enemy. 418 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: The enemy is everybody at that point. If they're going 419 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: to kill people, it would be such a devastating thing 420 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: to that country. Joe, it would be a very hard call. 421 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: I think if it wasn't that way, you know, then 422 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: I think the the Mexican American government would get together 423 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: and they would do that, but it would be devastation. 424 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: A lot of innocent people would die, so it would 425 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: be hard for me to, you know, pull a plug 426 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: on something like that. 427 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: Really, let me ask you a personal question that you've 428 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: never run away from with me before, and I always 429 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: love your answers. Why didn't you become numb to human 430 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: life when you were in that life? And here's what 431 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean. You were bringing in billions of dollars through 432 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: the gas scheme and through the tax scheme for your family. 433 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: But I don't feel as though you ever lost who 434 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: you were as a human, if that makes any sense. 435 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: It appears to me that these cartel members just don't care. 436 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: They'll kill you on the spot. They'll take out fifteen 437 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: people if they have to, kill thirty National Guard if 438 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: they have to, and blow up Costco if they have to. 439 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: Why didn't you go beyond that realm? And I don't 440 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: think it's just you. I think a lot of people 441 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: from the old crime families they were brutal. You guys 442 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: weren't doing, you know, nice things. But at the same time, 443 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: there seemed to be something that stopped you from becoming 444 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: what these monsters are. 445 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Joe I think we grew differently. You know, 446 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: I heard a I interviewed a cartel member once and 447 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 2: I said to him, what is it with this drug business? 448 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: And he said, Michael, it's either I sell drugs or 449 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: I don't eat. That's how I grew up. They had nothing. Now, 450 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: I didn't grow up in a situation like that number one. 451 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: So you know, they look at the drug business for 452 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: their way to survive, you know, many of them. And 453 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: if you have brutality on the top and they're saying 454 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: this is what you need to do, you know, it's 455 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: either you or the person next to you. Well, you're 456 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: going to choose that route, and you're going to go 457 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: that way. I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just saying, 458 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: that's kind of an explanation in my turn, Joe. You know, 459 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: I got to get you know, I got to get 460 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: real personal. There were times many times in that life 461 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: when I was told to do something that I was 462 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: very uncomfortable doing. It didn't sit right with me. I 463 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 2: didn't like it and I didn't want to do it. 464 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: The problem with me is I did it anyway because 465 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: this was my life. I took an oath, I was 466 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: given an order and we did what we had to do. 467 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: But there were a lot of people in that position 468 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 2: in that life that I know of fact, you know, Joe, 469 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: I got to tell you. I'll relate this story. It's significant. 470 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: There was a guy, another made guy with me that 471 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: I knew very well, two brothers in that life I 472 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: was very close to. Well. One day he asked me 473 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: to drive him home, you know, into Brooklyn. So I 474 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: drive him home and we get in front of his 475 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: house and he said, do me a favorite, wait here, 476 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: don't leave. I said, okay. So he goes up to 477 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: his front door and he opens the door and he 478 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 2: puts his head in and he's a couple of seconds 479 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: and then he shuts the door, comes back in the 480 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: car and I said, what happened? He said, well, nobody's home. 481 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: And I says, well, yeah, but it's your house. You 482 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: open the door. Why didn't you go in? He said, 483 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: I can't go in my house. I said, what do 484 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: you mean you can't go and nobody's home? I said, 485 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: but what do you mean by that? Well, as it 486 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: turns out, Joe, thirty years earlier, his father, who was 487 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: also a made guy, allegedly fooled around with another maid 488 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 2: guy's wife or daughter, I don't remember exactly. And the 489 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: two brothers were given the contract to kill their father 490 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: and they did. He said, Michael, I am telling you 491 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: this three times. Three times my father's ghost appeared to 492 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: me in that house. I can't be in that house 493 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: alone because it haunts me. And he said, I'm so 494 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 2: sorry for what I did. He broke down in the car, 495 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 2: broke down with me. I've never seen anything like that 496 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: in my life. What's my point on this? Sometimes, you know, 497 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: I've said this, why do good people do bad things? 498 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily mean that you're a bad person or 499 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: an evil person. I'm not making excuses. You should be 500 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: held accountable anyhow. But sometimes there are things that caused 501 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: you to do something that you just really don't want 502 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: to do. And I think there was a lot of 503 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: people in that life in that position, from the guys 504 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: that I knew, because you know, people say to me, Michael, 505 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: you know, it was such a bad life. It was 506 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: a bad life. I don't glorify the life, but it 507 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that everybody in that life was a bad person. 508 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: And I know that's a hard concept to understand that 509 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make excuses for anybody, but I 510 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 2: was kind of in that category. I wasn't comfortable with 511 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: the things I was told to do, and I certainly 512 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: didn't initiate things on my own. But when I was 513 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: given an order and it was an uncomfortable order, I 514 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: did it because I felt I had to, and I 515 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: took an oath to do it, And yes, I regretted 516 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 2: it afterwards, no question. 517 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: And you've always said that you know you did not 518 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: like what you did. You're not making any apologies or 519 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: any excuses. The reason I bring it up and thank 520 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: you for relating that story. That's tragic, to be honest. 521 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: The reason I bring it up is that my feeling 522 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: is my perception is that they don't have the same 523 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: conscience in these Mexican cartels, because when you're seeing an 524 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: El Paso you've got five murders in a year, and 525 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: you've got forty thousand in Warez, which is right over 526 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: the border. There's something different on that side. When it 527 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: comes to a cartel, money is more important than life. 528 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: And I guess that's the reason why I bring it up. 529 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: And I wonder what takes you. You mentioned it about drugs, 530 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: and maybe this is exactly what it is, because there 531 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: was for so long with the Five Families resisted dealing drugs, 532 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: they ended up getting into them. But even in the Godfather, 533 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: you see that there was a big, you know, a 534 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: war over whether you're going to deal with drugs or not. 535 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: And the old school was you don't because that kills 536 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: your kids and it kills generations, Whereas it seems as 537 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: though in Mexico that's that's the that's it. Drugs are life. 538 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: Is that is it? Do you think that's the separation point? Michael, 539 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: Does that make sense what I just said. 540 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it became it became a big part of them 541 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: having a decent life. And unfortunately, you know, look in 542 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: the mafia here in America. Yes, fear was was part 543 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: of the things that people looked at with us, and 544 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: we got respect as a result of that. But it 545 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: wasn't We didn't go out there to strike fear in everybody. 546 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: You know, I learned at an early age it's better 547 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: to make friends and make people respect you and get 548 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: things done than it is to have them fear you. 549 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: You know, there's a thing in the Godfather, I mean, 550 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. In the Bronx Tale with Chaz palmonary good friend. 551 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: I said, Chaz, in the in the movie, you told 552 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: that kid, it's better to be feared than to be 553 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: loved as your role as a as a captain and 554 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: his family. He said yeah. I said, what do you 555 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: think about that now? He said, no, I feel the 556 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: same way. I said, as you're wrong, He's what do 557 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: you mean? I said. Fear does keep people in line, 558 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: no question about it. However, what happened in our life 559 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: is the fear of the mob was transferred to the 560 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: fear of the government when the Rico Act came in, 561 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: and that's when people started to flip and become informants. 562 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: When you love somebody, you're not going to hurt somebody. 563 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: When you fear them, that fear can be transferred. And 564 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: in the Mexican cartels, they work on fear. They want 565 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 2: people to fear them. That's there. That's the you know, 566 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: the wedge that they hold over everybody. They want to know. 567 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 2: They want you to know that if you don't stay 568 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: in line or you buck us, they're going to be 569 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 2: severe consequences. We didn't operate like that. We did not, 570 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: and I know people are come on, Michael, No, we 571 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: didn't operate like that you know, you had guys like 572 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 2: Joe Colombo, Yes, you knew what he was capable of. 573 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: Carlo Gambino, you knew what he was capable of. Frank Costello, 574 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: you know, but they realize that's not the first cost 575 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 2: of action. We want you to do business with us, 576 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: We want you to respect you. They call Frank Costello 577 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister why because he had many politicians that 578 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: he had on the payroll that he was working with. 579 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: The best way to do business here in this country 580 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: was to make friends with people, to make them respect 581 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: you and make them want to be involved with you. 582 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: You know, the fear is always in the background. It's 583 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: always there, but you don't put it up front. The 584 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: smart people didn't put it up front. Mexico totally different. 585 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 2: They want you to know, you mess around, you're gonna die. 586 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: We're gonna cut your heart out, cut your head off. 587 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: That's it. We're going to hang you in the square 588 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: for everybody to see. And that's how they keep people 589 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: in line. 590 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: So it's about loyalty. You can get loyalty through fear, 591 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: or you can get loyalty through love, and of course 592 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: loyalty through love. You're going to actually probably keep that loyalty. 593 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: They don't seem to care about who they love, who 594 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: they don't love. It's about the billions of dollars. And 595 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: I still think there's some weird ritualistic reason on top 596 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: of the fear factor for why they're doing these disgusting things. 597 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: I know you only have a few minutes left, Michael, 598 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: thanks for the time. Let me just throw this out there. 599 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of people from the DHS lately, 600 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: a lot of officials on from ICE, from DHS, from 601 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: Border Patrol, and they know that these cartel members are here. 602 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: So cartel members that came in during the Biden administration, 603 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: that came across the border illegally, that are now intertwined 604 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: in neighborhoods. What do you expect might happen with those 605 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: members that are here from that specific cartel in Hellisco, Mexico. 606 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: Do you hear that they might do something here? Would 607 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,239 Speaker 1: you call them sleeper cells? Are they just waiting? What 608 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: do you think is happening? 609 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: I don't believe. I think they know that they would 610 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: be met with, you know, real retaliation. The American Government's 611 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: not going to stand for it, especially on the Trump 612 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: If this was Biden. It might be something different, but 613 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: under Trump, they're not going to mess around. I don't 614 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 2: believe we're going to have to worry about that here 615 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: within the United States. You know, unfortunately they are here. 616 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: We know that, and they and they certainly are acting 617 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: in different communities and neighborhoods. I know that for a fact. 618 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: But I don't think we have to worry about any 619 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: real retaliation here in the United States because they know, 620 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: you know, they'd pay severe consequences for it. 621 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: It is Michael Francis dot com. Go there right now, 622 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: Go follow them on on YouTube, Go become part of 623 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: his team. You can go do that at his website, 624 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: get his wine. Wherever Michael's into. I want you to 625 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: go and check out. Let me finish with this off 626 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: the beaten path, because you and I have talked many, 627 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: many times over the years about how happy you were 628 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: that Rudy Giuliani cleaned up New York City the way 629 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: that he did. You were actually stunned when you were 630 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: arrested and being brought in at how clean it was, 631 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: how clean Times Square was. Michael, we now have a 632 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: guy who just doesn't care. In fact, there were police 633 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: pelted with ice and Rocks in set of snowballs where 634 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: they had their faces lacerated, and this guy mem Donnie 635 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: just said on camera in front of the world to 636 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: see it was a snowball fight, no big deal. You're 637 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: seeing a city where the police aren't going to back 638 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: this guy up. You're seeing a city where they're allowing 639 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: radical Islam to take over Times Square and other gigantic 640 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: parts where they're screaming and yelling about death to America. 641 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: What do you see as in New Yorker. I'm a 642 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: New Yorker too. What do you see is in New 643 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: Yorker has to happen in that city to bring it 644 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: back to its glory that we just had thirty years 645 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: ago under Giuliani. It looks like it's a lost cause. 646 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: You know, Joe is a former mob guy. I wouldn't 647 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: have been as disrespectful to the police as Mondamie has 648 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: been for him to come out and say, oh, he's 649 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: only a snowball fight among kids. This guy should be 650 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: impeached immediately. He's some thirty four year old I hate 651 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: to say it, but I have to have some thirty 652 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: four year old punk kid that has no clue whatsoever 653 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 2: on how to operate the biggest city in the world. 654 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: I think, my fellow New York are insane to even 655 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: put this guy anywhere close to where he is. You know, 656 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: he's this guy. If he lasts for four years, if 657 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: they don't get rid of him, and I mean get 658 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: rid of him legally and throw him out of office, 659 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what's happened in that city. It's an 660 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: I am. I'm broken over it because I love New York. 661 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: It's my home. I love New York. I just can't 662 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: even believe what I'm hearing from this guy, you know, 663 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: and the further to further bring that along. I can't 664 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: believe any of these politicians that are inciting violence against 665 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: ice agents, police agents. It's insanity. We didn't even do 666 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: that on the street, Joe, and they came after us 667 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: every single day, do it? It is that we wouldn't 668 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: be that disrespectful to law enforcement. 669 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: Well, you guys weren't disrespectful to the city. And that's 670 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: my point. I think that was your home. Those neighborhoods 671 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: were to be protected, the women and children were to 672 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: be protected. What do you think that the modern mob families, 673 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: because they still exist, they're not what they used to be, 674 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: but they still exist. What do you think that their 675 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: reaction is to what's going on right there in their city? 676 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: And might they react to it or do they just 677 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: sit back and go, what are we gonna do? 678 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to do anything about it, 679 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: But honestly, I don't think they like it. I really don't. 680 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: I really. You know, the local police, they never bothered us. 681 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: We supported them. Do you know when the Son of Sam, 682 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: you know, when that whole thing was happening back in 683 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: the late seventies, do you know that they came to 684 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: us and asked for help. They said, look, if you 685 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: can track this guy, if you can find this guy, 686 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: and we actually helped them. We had people out at 687 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: night looking for this guy. We weren't able to get him. 688 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: One night, I thought we had him in Queen's Wow, 689 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: because I was one of the guys that they came to. 690 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: We worked with the police in that regard. You know, 691 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: we what this guy is doing, Joe, It's atrocious. I 692 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: just can't even believe what I'm seeing. I really I 693 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: never thought i'd live to see the day when our 694 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: politicians are actively telling people to hurt our police officer 695 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: on law enforcement. Yeah, they are that are doing the job. 696 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: They're just doing their job. That Congress implemented these laws, 697 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: they're doing the job. Wasn't Trump that put it in, 698 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: it was Congress that did it. Yeah, and yet this 699 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: is how they react. And you know the same for 700 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: New York. I mean, it's horrible what's going on there. Horrible. 701 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: It's my hope above all hope. And I'll leave you 702 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: with this that they're hitting critical mass again because before 703 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: Giuliani got elected and before Battacki got elected, New York 704 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: had the state and the city had to hit critical mass. 705 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: They had to see hookers in the streets constantly, had 706 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: to see X rated garbage. You had to see drunks 707 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: in the street, people you know, going to the bathroom 708 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: on the side of the road. And New Yorkers finally said, listen, 709 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: I think I'm a Democrat, but let me hold my 710 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: nose and see if Giuliani can fix it. And he did, 711 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: and see if Pattacky can fix it, and he did. Michael, 712 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: we might see a Republican governor in that state. I 713 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: think Blakeman is running and we might see so eventually 714 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna get somebody in that Mayor's office that will 715 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: clean it up. Do you feel like we're hitting critical 716 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: mass like we did in the late eighties. 717 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: I actually do. I really do. We need another Rudy 718 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: Giuliani as mayor of New York. That's what we need. 719 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: I wish Rudy could run again. I mean it, because 720 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: he would save the city. And hopefully somebody emerges in 721 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 2: that category that will do the same, because the way 722 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: it's going now, it's only going to get worse and 723 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: worse and worse. And you're right, I think it will 724 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: hit critical mass. People are realizing it. I have a 725 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: lot of family and friends there. They're all disgusted everybody. 726 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: I have people moving out of that city and droves 727 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: moving down to Florida and other places. So it's going 728 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: to hit critical mass, and I think there's going to 729 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: be a change. Can't happen soon enough, but hopefully it 730 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: does happen. 731 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: I want people watching listening to understand that you had 732 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: about seventeen phone calls today. You always make time for 733 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: my audience and for me. I can't thank you enough 734 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: the insight you just gave. What's going on with this 735 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: cartel down in Mexico with second to none it's Michael 736 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: friendzeas dot com. Go and follow and become part of 737 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: his crew. Michael, thank you so much, my friend. 738 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: Joe. As always, I appreciate it and anytime you want me, 739 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm here. 740 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my friend. That's it for this one. 741 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: Unshaken and Unafraid with Joe Pegs another one to drop 742 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: very soon. Make sure you subscribe.