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Speaker 1: Welcome back, whether you're watching on the Sale New Channel,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, really grateful to have Admiral William

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Speaker 1: mccraven back as a guest on the program. Admiral mcgraven

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Speaker 1: has a book out this year, Conquering Crisis, which is

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Speaker 1: perfect for the Christmas present you need for anyone who's

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Speaker 1: in authority over anything, because it's only a question of

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Speaker 1: when the crisis is going to hit. Admiral, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you at the tart it's better

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Speaker 1: to be lucky sometimes and smart. I got asked this morning,

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Speaker 1: the day after I've finished reading your book and making

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Speaker 1: my outline to go on Fox and talk about seizing

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Speaker 1: the Venezuelan.

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Speaker 2: Freighter or tanker.

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Speaker 1: So youen doing this since nineteen ninety Admiral mcgraven writes

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Speaker 1: about that you did it, Glenn and the summer of

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Speaker 1: April nineteen ninety in the Indian.

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Speaker 3: Ocean nine of course here. Nope, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you tell people about that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, So nineteen ninety I was out for desert

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Speaker 4: storm and we had two Iraqi tankers that were in

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Speaker 4: violation of the UN Security Resolution sixty six to zero.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, we were given the authority to go board

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Speaker 4: these ships, armed boarding to stop them in order to

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Speaker 4: comply with the resolution.

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Speaker 1: So how impressed were you with yesterday's video that you

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Speaker 1: were able to see. I know from your book that

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Speaker 1: is a lot harder than it looks. The repelling down

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Speaker 1: from the helicopters on to a I think you called

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Speaker 1: it a dirty deck, something that they had fouled.

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Speaker 4: The deckld deck, right, Yeah, So, I mean this is

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Speaker 4: something that the Marines and the seals practice all the

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Speaker 4: the helicopter approaches where there is a clear space for

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Speaker 4: the marines of the seals to land, they drop down

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Speaker 4: the fast tropes and the guy's fast robe down. From

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Speaker 4: what I could see on the video, it was not

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Speaker 4: a long fast rope, which was good. It allows the

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Speaker 4: to disperse and again go about their business. So it's

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Speaker 4: something that we rehearse and practice all the time. So

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Speaker 4: my guess is it didn't take a whole lot of

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Speaker 4: preparation for the again the seals of the Marines that

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Speaker 4: you're ready to do this.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to go to page one sixty one

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Speaker 1: of Conquering Crisis. Admiral, You've got Commander Mobbrey and he's

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Speaker 1: going over your ops plan and he's not very happy

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Speaker 1: with you because you were pretty confident in your plan.

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Speaker 1: But it turns out something I do not know, nor

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Speaker 1: do I doubt I know. I'm certain civilians don't know.

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Speaker 1: The toughest mission is to try and plant a limpet

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Speaker 1: mine on a ship at deep anchorage. Now that's counterintuitive

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Speaker 1: to me, but I'll take your word for it. Explain

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this was about nineteen eighty six. I am

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Speaker 4: at what is referred to as Sealed Delivery Vehicle Team too,

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Speaker 4: Bob Mabray. He was a very seasoned Navy seal, and

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Speaker 4: Was an ugly term because it meant that you were,

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Speaker 4: then you can begin to loosen the reins a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But his point was, look, if you're in the middle

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Speaker 4: doing something that's important, make sure that men and women

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Speaker 3: A little bit.

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Speaker 1: I found very compelling about conquering crisis, Admiral is you

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Speaker 1: prepare for other people's crises. And we'll come back to

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Speaker 1: But I wonder, did you were you surprised yesterday my

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Speaker 1: law school alma mater, University of Michigan got blown up

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Speaker 1: and they're all over the newspaper. We don't have to

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Speaker 1: got hit with a cheating scandal. Major League Baseball. I

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Speaker 1: beloved Cleveland Guardians cheating scandal. Everybody gets hit in the face,

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Every organization, every boss, every wom with

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, at some point in time, I think

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Speaker 3: You bet.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you're a leader in charge of an

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Speaker 4: or later you're going to be confronted with a very

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Speaker 4: difficult leadership challenge. So what I try to lay out

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Speaker 4: in Conquering Crisis is a way to think about how

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Speaker 4: to navigate those difficult times. And of course I've got

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Speaker 4: kind of my five step approach, which is you've got

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Speaker 4: And this is the area of you where people tend

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Speaker 4: to want to shade the truth. And the point I

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Speaker 4: shave the truth about in Michigan, about pick someplace. The

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Speaker 4: truth will always come out. So it is always best

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Speaker 4: when you're in a leadership position, tell the truth, the

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Speaker 4: whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Get it out

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Speaker 4: there as quickly as you can, so that if you're

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Speaker 4: in a corporation, so that your shareholders know what's going on,

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Speaker 4: also so that the men and women working for you

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Speaker 4: through the crisis. If you tend to shave the truth,

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Speaker 4: to protect the organization, it will not, and you will

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Speaker 1: Amen to all of that, And that's why I think

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Speaker 1: everyone ought to read Conquering Crisis if they have any

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Speaker 1: to hope that nobody notices, and somebody will. Now, I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to the data Center. University of Texas, Chancellor,

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Speaker 1: you add a vision, it didn't work out. You went

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Speaker 1: you went into your office, and then everybody needs I

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Speaker 1: hope I pronounce his name correctly. A Tony Cuckolo on

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Speaker 1: their staff to come in and shout morale check, would you.

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Speaker 1: I hope he's still your friend. What does morale check

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Speaker 4: Here, he is still my friend and I see him often, so, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, Tony was a retired to Army two star

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Speaker 4: swings open and Tony yells, and he's a big, kind

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Speaker 4: that did not go well? Oh boss, you know, and

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Speaker 4: But the message that Tony gave me was, yeah, boss,

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Speaker 4: But your job as the leader now is to go

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Speaker 1: Now, before we go to break, I want to get

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Speaker 1: there's breaking news, but we always wait because first reports

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Speaker 1: are always wrong. And so when I saw in conquering crisis,

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Speaker 1: your first admonition to people, first reports are always wrong,

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Speaker 1: incomplete at best, and often wrong. Do you think news

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Speaker 1: could generally adopt a dial it back approach to their benefit.

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Speaker 4: I think the problem is you you know, with all

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Speaker 4: To your point, this is an old Napoleon saying that

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Speaker 4: Wrong, but I will tell you in my time in

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Speaker 4: have to certainly, as a leader, you have to be

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Speaker 4: a little thoughtful. You have to make sure you've got

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Speaker 4: you're reporting the right news. But I think in the

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Speaker 4: you want to be careful about making declarative statements until.

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Speaker 3: You have all the facts.

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Speaker 4: the room. Can anybody tell me the second law thermo

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Speaker 4: my point at a crisis is, if you don't do

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Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 3: Deterior rates over time.

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Speaker 4: You have to take steps, bold steps to contain the crisis,

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Speaker 1: It's really a brilliant chapter and I wish I could

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Speaker 1: You could not ask for more Christmas eve weather or

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, which is not my idea of a Virginia Christmas. However,

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Speaker 1: Noah Rothman has arrived. Mister Noah, Welcome Christmas to you.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a good season. Are you enjoying

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Speaker 6: Merry Christmas, Hugh, it is freezing. I am enjoying the season.

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Speaker 7: I'm recovering from a really early baut of flu, but

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Speaker 7: it by taking a preemptive flu shot. It was right

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Speaker 7: right away. There's no other there's no other question where

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Speaker 7: it came from. But this is what you get for

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Speaker 7: being proactive these days.

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Speaker 1: Well, now, I took it in September and had the

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Speaker 1: September with my wife. We make a habit out of that.

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Speaker 1: But you always, I always get a little bit of sick, Okay, Noah.

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Speaker 1: I keep a list of my disagreements with the President

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Speaker 1: Trump for when people want to accuse me of agreeing

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Speaker 1: with President Trump. However, one of those is not the

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Speaker 1: seizure of the Venezuelan UH tanker. What does Noah Rothman

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Speaker 1: think about the seizure of the Venezuelan tanker. I'm all

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Speaker 1: in favor of it.

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Speaker 6: What do you think I'm all in favor of it.

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Speaker 7: It's infinitely preferable to just blowing stuff up and not

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Speaker 7: capturing the contraband that's illicit, and that we're attempting to

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Speaker 7: interdict and identify the sources and the runners of And

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Speaker 7: this is how you do things. This is the Department

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Speaker 7: of Justice executing a warrant, literally a warranted strike on

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Speaker 7: a sanctioned vessel of these things.

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Speaker 6: That's a known secret that these things have shady.

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Speaker 7: Origins, that they trespass American sanctions, that they transit Russian

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Speaker 7: and Rainy and oil provide lifelines to those regimes, to

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Speaker 7: say nothing of Cuba. This is part of the anti

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Speaker 7: American axis in the world. And this, not drug interdiction,

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Speaker 7: is how you get at the financial lifeline that keeps

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Speaker 7: thug regimes like Maduros alive.

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Speaker 6: If you're trying to begin.

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Speaker 7: A regime change operation, if you're trying to begin a

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Speaker 7: regime change operation and you don't want a kinetic like,

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Speaker 7: this is how you do it.

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Speaker 1: I really wanted you to say no, because I've got

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Speaker 1: the trap right here. Later in the program, Admiral McRaven

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Speaker 1: is with me about his new book, Conquering Crisis. He

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Speaker 1: did this very thing with a team of CEOs and

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Speaker 1: Marines in nineteen ninety in the Indian Ocean with any

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Speaker 1: authority from a district court. So I'm looking for someone.

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Speaker 6: I'm so glad I evaded your trap. Q.

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Speaker 1: You did very, very, very nimbly. Let's go back to

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Speaker 1: them and talk about Venezuela. I happened to have had

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Speaker 1: like this guy, and they're afraid he's pulling the whole

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Speaker 1: allies in the region, like Malay and go get the

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Speaker 7: I would be surprised if there weren't more people in

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Speaker 7: the region who want to topple Medua than there are

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Speaker 7: came across some progressive Congressman Rocanna's reaction to Senate Minority

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Speaker 7: Leader Chuck Schumer, who said, well, he's very skeptical of

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Speaker 7: the regime change operation and would oppose it. He said,

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Speaker 7: it would be lovely if Meduro would just simply abdicate.

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Speaker 7: Everybody wants that, Chuck Schumer said, to which Rokhana replied, no,

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Speaker 7: absolutely not. We oppose regime change point blank. In other words,

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Speaker 7: you're tacitly if not affirmatively supporting the Maduro regime. A

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Speaker 7: criminal regime, an illegal regime, a regime that slaughters and

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Speaker 7: tortures its own people in broad daylight, a regime that

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Speaker 7: sanctions anti American activities as a thorn in our side,

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Speaker 7: not just the Western hemisphere, but the world abroad. That

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Speaker 7: gives a lifeline to Cuba, that allows Russia and China

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Speaker 7: footholding to the Western hemisphere. That's what you affirmatively support,

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Speaker 7: and in the name by the way of compassion for

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Speaker 7: the very people who you're talking about, you who want

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Speaker 7: to be liberated from the yoke of this thugocracy, this

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Speaker 7: socialistic regime that long agol lost legitimacy.

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Speaker 6: It's just mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Kana is a welcome and frequent guest on the program.

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Speaker 1: You know what that tells me, That tells me he's

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Speaker 1: running for president, That you've got to be to the

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Speaker 1: extreme left of the Democratic Party in order to even

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Speaker 1: consider running for president. I've always thought he's a very

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Speaker 1: smart guy. I don't know if you ever spent any

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Speaker 1: time with a male lawyer.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, noltely very smart guy.

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Speaker 2: So that's crazy. Don't you think that means he's for president?

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Speaker 6: He very well could be.

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Speaker 7: He also strikes me as a sincere guy, which is

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Speaker 7: why I took so much issue with that comment. And

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Speaker 7: if you're right, if his calculation here is that in

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Speaker 7: his calculation must be that I have to take the

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Speaker 7: other side of a fight in which the United States

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Speaker 7: the Democratic Party's primary electorate.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to advertise.

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Speaker 1: That Jasmine Crockett says a lot of bad things about

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party's primary electorate, even if it is true

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Speaker 1: that the National Republican Senatorial Committee made her into running.

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Speaker 2: I think John Cornyan's a lay up here. I think

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Speaker 2: she might be competitive.

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Speaker 1: Against Attorney General Ken Paxson in Texas because he carries

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Speaker 1: a lot of baggage. Do you think the GOP takes

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Speaker 1: the sort of angry with everyone who's ever lived in Washington,

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Speaker 1: DC crowd in the DC in the Republican primary win this.

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Speaker 7: I think Republicans can't take that seat. For granted, of

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Speaker 7: that will go to shoring up Ken Paxton and those

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Speaker 7: suburbs just keep getting bluer and bluer in a year

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Speaker 7: that's really pro democratic.

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Speaker 6: It's one you never know it can go.

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Speaker 7: It's been forecast forever to the point where it's almost

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Speaker 7: cliche to say, watch Texas, but you do got to

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Speaker 7: watch Texas if they if the Republicans nominate a vulnerable candidate.

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Speaker 7: Same with with Ohio, these dark blue states. You know,

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Speaker 7: some of the polling is starting to look a little iffy.

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Speaker 7: We're a year out, it's too early to make any

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Speaker 7: you know, grandiose projections about this sort of thing.

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Speaker 6: And jasminc.

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Speaker 7: Crockett is a really bad candidate for that state. Any

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Speaker 7: a shot.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the most recent version of Jasmine Crockett.

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Speaker 2: If you go back for five years, she.

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Speaker 1: Is also an extraordinarily smart I think Yale trained lawyer

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Speaker 1: and is a completely different person now when she realized

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Speaker 1: that the monetization of controversy is good for a candidacy.

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Speaker 1: It's really a short Have you noticed that normal people

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Speaker 1: are going crazy?

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Speaker 7: She's very genuinely insincere in that sense, and I guess

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Speaker 7: people appreciate being lied to well, But yes, I have

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Speaker 7: noticed you that there's there's a lot of illogic abroad

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Speaker 7: out there.

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Speaker 6: Genuinely the website you.

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Speaker 2: Are, I'm stealing that, genuinely insincere. I'm going to take you.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's yours, it's yours.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: There is a sort of a cleverness to the weaponization

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Speaker 7: of America's reflexive oppositional dysfunction, where we just oppose literally

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Speaker 7: anything that comes across the r transom from the opposite

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Speaker 7: if if the party does something you don't like, you

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Speaker 7: do the opposite, even if it's to your detriment. So

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Speaker 7: that could be useful insofar as if you say you know,

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Speaker 7: this is the candidate we dislike the absolute most. You

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Speaker 7: can manipulate a segment of the primary electorate to rally

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Speaker 7: around that candidate.

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Speaker 6: That is partially, not wholly, but partially.

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Speaker 7: What drew Jasmin Crockett into the race and what forced

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Speaker 7: out a more viable candidate James till Rico still stands.

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Speaker 7: It's looking much more likely that Jasmine will emerge.

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Speaker 1: Donny, I'm stealing that and thank you for that. That's

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Speaker 1: my Christmas President. No follow Noah on exit Noan C.

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Speaker 3: Rothman.

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Speaker 1: Listen to him on the Editor's podcast from National View

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Speaker 1: and stay tuned w right back on the UWIT Show.

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Speaker 8: Bring that Tortion.

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Speaker 1: That is a bring Welcome back to Macca. I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: Now this is one of those segments where I tell

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Speaker 1: the parents who have got smalls in the back of

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Speaker 1: the car, this is tough us. And so you may

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Speaker 1: want to mute the radio for a moment or two,

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Speaker 1: because for the next six minutes I'm talking to Chai Ling.

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Speaker 1: Chai is a wonderful human being. She is one of

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Speaker 1: the leading dissidents about the Chinese Communist Party. She was

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Speaker 1: at Tieneman Square on that awful day she escaped the

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Speaker 1: United States, made a great career here and now she

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Speaker 1: has produced a four part docu series, Sexploited, about human trafficking.

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Speaker 1: She joins me, now Chilean welcome. Thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 1: You know it's a gritty subject. How in the world

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Speaker 1: did you get involved in bringing to light the incredible

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Speaker 1: evil of human trafficking?

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Speaker 9: Well, Hugh, thank you so much for me to be here,

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Speaker 9: and it's great honor. I was, as you said, a

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Speaker 9: political refugee in America. I have a deep love affection

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Speaker 9: towards this Greek country who gave me freedom and helped

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Speaker 9: me reach my children.

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Speaker 6: It was a future.

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Speaker 9: So I came to the Lord on December fourth, nineteen,

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Speaker 9: two thousand and nine, and the Lord it made me

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Speaker 9: to call me to do three things. The first thing

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Speaker 9: was to end China's wint top policy. The second thing

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Speaker 9: was to herow the me to movement to end sexual

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Speaker 9: assault and sexual harassment against women and workplaces. And so

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Speaker 9: this is in twenty fifteen. The Lord made all two

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Speaker 9: things possible and it happened. Then this is the third

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Speaker 9: assignment from the Lord's in sex trafficking in America and

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Speaker 9: then beyond.

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Speaker 1: Now there's a fourth part or it's fourth part. It's

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Speaker 1: over at Salem noow dot com. People can go and

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Speaker 1: watch it about sex traffic in the United States. Do

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Speaker 1: you think my audience has any idea of how vast

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Speaker 1: the network is? Because I do, because I know some

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Speaker 1: people who work in law enforcement. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: most people understand how vast human trafficking is.

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Speaker 9: You're absore, right, Hugh, This is a very problem. Most

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Speaker 9: Americans are so blissfully happy or distracted with different things.

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Speaker 6: We have no idea.

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Speaker 9: America is under siege. Our children, our song, our daughters,

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Speaker 9: our families, our marriages are under siege by this massive

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Speaker 9: evil against all of us. And so the four part series,

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Speaker 9: the first one is death by DM is what they

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Speaker 9: do to target beautiful, amazing, handsome, promising young boys. The

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Speaker 9: second one is pretty lies ugly truth is how they

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Speaker 9: target our daughters. And the third and fourth one are

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Speaker 9: set trafficking in America and also how they escape to freedom.

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Speaker 9: There were six brave survivors share their amazing story. So

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Speaker 9: unfortunately this evil is so insidious, so lethal, and so

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Speaker 9: disguising self. And so that's what we need to know. Otherwise, well,

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Speaker 9: we as a nation we will be finished.

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Speaker 8: Such an earth.

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Speaker 1: It happened yesterday. The New York Post yesterday had a

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Speaker 1: story about a fifteen year old boy.

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Speaker 2: Who fell for that scam where they pretend to be

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Speaker 2: a young teenage girl.

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Speaker 1: They exchange explicit pictures and then they blackmail and the

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Speaker 1: young man took his life. And it's in the New

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Speaker 1: York Post yesterday, and it's your first episode focuses on that.

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Speaker 1: I guess parents just to have to sit down and

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Speaker 1: be very explicit with no matter how uncomfortable embarrassing it.

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Speaker 2: They just got to warn them. Is that your view?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, this is something that every single parent need to watch,

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Speaker 9: every single family needs to know, every young man a

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Speaker 9: woman need to know. And in the death by DM

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Speaker 9: when we're producing it, I just cried, cried for so

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Speaker 9: many days. These are beautiful, bright young boys and they

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Speaker 9: do not deserve it. Their family do not deserve it.

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Speaker 9: This is buy some scammers on the internet. And as

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Speaker 9: the victim's father, Brian Montgomery Montgomery said, I thought my son.

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Speaker 5: Walker was saved.

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Speaker 9: What I did not know is I let the door

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Speaker 9: open and the world's worst predator walked in and took

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Speaker 9: his life. So every single family, every single parent need

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Speaker 9: to watch this this kind of you know, you chan't

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Speaker 9: not to watch it to save your family, protect our children.

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Speaker 9: And after watch it, they need to tell twelve people

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Speaker 9: to watch it and tell twelve the people to tell

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Speaker 9: each of their twelve people to watch it. This way,

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Speaker 9: you can save America, can save lives. We can pare

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Speaker 9: for our country and our family.

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Speaker 1: Every parent you know or in my case, grandparent, tell

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Speaker 1: them about Sexploited. It is available at salemnow dot com

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Speaker 1: and the province of Chai Ling can't get any better.

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Speaker 1: You're a hero to have millions of Chinese and I

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Speaker 1: hope Americans as well. And I thank you for making

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Speaker 1: the documentary. I think You're saving lives was Sexploited four parts.

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Speaker 1: It's over at salemnow dot com. Chilin, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me and thank you for saving lives.

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Speaker 1: It can't be easy to have made this, but I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you did. Sexploited at salemnow dot com. Thanks Chiling.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America. I'll be right back. It is

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Speaker 1: the Christmas season and now parents, you can turn the

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Speaker 1: radio back up, but talk to your your boys, your

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Speaker 1: girls from Junior High on up about this before day

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Speaker 1: end up in that world.

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Speaker 5: I'll be right.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm ke Hewitt, so very pleased

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Speaker 1: to bring you. Eleana y Johnson Choo is the editor

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Speaker 1: in chief of the Washington Free Beacon and a regular

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Speaker 1: on the Commentary podcast. Anyone who's listening to my program

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Speaker 1: for the last two years now, it's the one podcast

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Speaker 1: that I always start with. Commentary has always been brilliant.

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Speaker 1: They lost Matt Contenetti to the Wall Street Journal, and

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Speaker 1: they immediately tapped one of their semi regulars, Ellianna, to

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Speaker 1: fill in, and boy, they have not missed a beat. Eleana.

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Speaker 1: It's wonderful hearing you on the Commentary podcast. Congratulations on that.

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Speaker 1: I've had your dad on twice since I last talked

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Speaker 1: to you, so you've got a tough act to follow.

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Speaker 1: But before we go to your Wes Moore blockbuster story

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Speaker 1: in the Washington Free Beacon this morning, how are you?

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Speaker 6: I'm good?

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Speaker 10: You know, Hugh, it's so funny that you say that

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Speaker 10: because Matt Continetti, of course, is also my predecessor at

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Speaker 10: the Free Beacon. So I followed him here and I

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Speaker 10: followed him on the Commentary podcast. So I am destined

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Speaker 10: to you know, Filmatt's shoes wherever I go.

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Speaker 1: Don't go to the Wall Street Journal, don't go to

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Drunk. It's behind the page.

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Speaker 10: At the Free Beacon.

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Speaker 2: Good there.

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Speaker 1: I want to know, though, the commentary podcast is produced

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Speaker 1: at some insane hour now. I used to get up

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Speaker 1: for ten years to do the morning drive show, but

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Speaker 1: then I was done with work at nine am. You

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Speaker 1: folks do that, I don't know when, but then you

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Speaker 1: have to go to work. How did you fit that

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Speaker 1: commentary podcast into your schedule? As EIC at the Free Beacon.

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Speaker 10: I have to admit we now are usually recording at

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Speaker 10: nine o'clock and that is because of me because I

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Speaker 10: have little kids. Although Seth Mandel also has He's got

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Speaker 10: three times as many.

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Speaker 6: Little kids as I have.

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Speaker 10: But I don't know somehow Seth can do it. I

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Speaker 10: need to be with my little kids, you know, between

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Speaker 10: seven and nine, and they are out the door at

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Speaker 10: like eight forty five. So they have been kind enough

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Speaker 10: to record a little later. But I think in the

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Speaker 10: Continetti days they were doing.

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Speaker 6: It quite early.

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Speaker 10: I also am just not really a morning person, so

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Speaker 10: I don't know how they did it. Andhugh, how you

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Speaker 10: did it, you know, when you were on it at

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Speaker 10: six am. I like to say I'm more and I'm

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Speaker 10: not an evening person either.

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Speaker 6: I like to wake up late and go to bed early.

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Speaker 1: That's mymo But I'm marvel every day I listen to

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Speaker 1: the commentary podcast. I learned stuff and you've added so

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Speaker 1: much to it. Now let's go to your big scoop,

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Speaker 1: because scoops are the coin of the realm, and you,

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Speaker 1: guys scooped. Wes Moore, formerly leading contender for the Democratic

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Speaker 1: nomination in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: But felled by a missing thesis, explain. Can you let

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Speaker 2: people know the story? Eliana?

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Speaker 10: Sure, there's a lot of detail in it, so I

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Speaker 10: would encourage folks just to go to Freebacon dot com

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Speaker 10: and read the story if you're interested. But more the

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Speaker 10: background on Moore, who has a sparkling resume. I think

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Speaker 10: that's the first thing to know about him. He is

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Speaker 10: a graduate of Johns Hopkins University, where he played football,

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Speaker 10: he was a Rhodes scholar, and he's a military veteran.

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Speaker 10: He's also a handsome, smart African American guy center left,

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Speaker 10: and was elected governor of Maryland.

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Speaker 6: He won a prestigious White.

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Speaker 10: House Fellowship in two thousand and six, and his application

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Speaker 10: for that fellowship is public. On that application, he claimed

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Speaker 10: to have received his master's degree from Oxford in two

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Speaker 10: thousand and three, but elsewhere on the application said he

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Speaker 10: received it in two thousand and four, which made us curious.

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Speaker 10: Oxford says he received that degree in November of two

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Speaker 10: thousand and five, when Moore says he was serving in

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Speaker 10: the eighty second Airborne Division in Afghanistan. And that's long

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Speaker 10: after he said he had begun full time work at

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Speaker 10: Deutsche Bank in London as a full time employee. So

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Speaker 10: I can't say we've answered what's going on with the

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Speaker 10: timeline here, but Moore did say he wrote a thesis

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Speaker 10: about radical Islam in the Western Hemisphere, and he gave

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Speaker 10: the title of the thesis in this White House application. Now,

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Speaker 10: when you get a master's or a PhD at Oxford,

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Speaker 10: most people, and there's lots of famous Rhodes scholars, store

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Speaker 10: their thesis in Oxford's library.

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Speaker 6: So if you go ask for.

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Speaker 10: Susan Rice's thesis or Rachel Maddowse thesis, the famous Rhodes scholars,

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Speaker 10: you know, Oxford's library will give you a linked that thesis,

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Speaker 10: but they do not have was Moore's thesis.

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Speaker 6: It's nowhere to be found.

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Speaker 10: So we went and asked the Governor's office for that,

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Speaker 10: and the Governor's office did not produce that thesis for us.

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Speaker 10: One other thing, Hugh, he also claimed to be a

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Speaker 10: doctoral candidate at Oxford, and there's just no evidence that

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Speaker 10: he ever was. And his office also declined to provide

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Speaker 10: the name of his academic advisor who would have overseen

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Speaker 10: his studies, and Oxford University and the Rhodes House which

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Speaker 10: oversees the Rhodes Scholarship. They also declined to provide us

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Speaker 10: with any evidence that he was a doctoral student. So

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Speaker 10: this to me seems like a case of puffery and

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Speaker 10: resume inflation on the part of More And we don't

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Speaker 10: know why he's hiding this thesis.

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Speaker 9: I do think it.

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Speaker 10: Existed, but we just can't say, like, where is it,

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Speaker 10: what did it say?

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Speaker 5: We may never know.

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Speaker 1: I want people to realize that the White House Fellowship

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Speaker 1: is probably the most coveted, prestigious award available in America,

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Speaker 1: much more than the Roads, and that when you take

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Speaker 1: it under false pretensors, if in fact the governor did,

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Speaker 1: you're denying someone else the opportunity, and he went on,

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Speaker 1: I learned from the Free Beacon to get the fellowship

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Speaker 1: at the Department of State, which is the second most

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Speaker 1: coveted of the White House fellow So it's actually a

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Speaker 1: big deal. But my favorite line in the story, Eliana

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Speaker 1: is when his press secretary says, the Free Beacon isn't

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Speaker 1: doing journalism, when in fact, you're the very essence of

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Speaker 1: journalism is investigating people's resume lives.

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Speaker 2: It's like journalism one on one, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: Uh, that's sort of when you know you have a

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Speaker 10: story is when they're attacking the outlet as opposed to

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Speaker 10: the substance of the story, because if the story was false,

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Speaker 10: they would produce the thesis and we would simply have

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Speaker 10: abandoned the story. And I will say you, the reason

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Speaker 10: this story has teeth is because More's application to this

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Speaker 10: fellowship is public. You can go look at it, and

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Speaker 10: he's had problems like this before. More spokesman Omer Musa says,

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Speaker 10: the Beacon, you know, this just fits. Their part is

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Speaker 10: in narrative. The narrative it fits is that when you

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Speaker 10: scratch beneath the surface of some of Wesmore's claims, they're

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Speaker 10: not fully truthful.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 10: He claimed to have been born in Baltimore when he

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Speaker 10: was running for governor of Maryland because that would have

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Speaker 10: been convenient.

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Speaker 1: He was not.

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Speaker 10: He claimed to have been admitted to the College Football

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Speaker 10: Hall of Fame, which is an organization that doesn't exist,

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Speaker 10: and he claimed to have been awarded a Bronze Star.

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Speaker 6: Before he had.

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Speaker 10: He's since been awarded the Bronze Star. But I would say, Hugh,

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Speaker 10: that Moore appears to be another Tim Walls, where there

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Speaker 10: are lots of self aggrandizing, braggadocious and bs claims on

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Speaker 10: these resume that.

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Speaker 6: Will be exposed.

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Speaker 10: People will pay attention when he steps on to the

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Speaker 10: national stage.

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Speaker 1: When the Free Bacon comes calling, get your answer ready,

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Speaker 1: go over to Free Bacon Connor do you want to

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Speaker 1: read this story? Eleana Y Johnson Follow her on X

884
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Speaker 1: Listen to her most days on the commentary podcast. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being back as a semi regular Aliana and

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Speaker 1: don't go anywhere, America. I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 2: Far Welcome back, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett, joined by our friend Josh Cross, our

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of Jewish Insider. You'll see him on

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Speaker 1: Special Report A little bit later. Tonight, Josh, it's raining

891
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Speaker 1: cats and dogs and Israel and Gaza, and tomorrow we

892
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Speaker 1: will get stories on what it's going to be epic

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Speaker 1: flooding in both. But before that flood washes away the

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Speaker 1: news cycle, can we focus on the video that Hamas

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Speaker 1: took of the six hostages they would later execute, including

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Speaker 1: Hersch Goldberg, Paul And whose mother and father have been

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Speaker 1: guests on this show. This is barbaric. That this has

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Speaker 1: been released and that they took it. It defies work.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who wants to deal with Amasa is welcome to try,

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Speaker 1: but why would anyone trust these people?

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Speaker 11: I mean, this tells you we'd so much about the

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Speaker 11: barbaric all all the barbaric nature of Amasa's terrorism. And

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Speaker 11: I mean this is really haunting footage from I think

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Speaker 11: it's about eight months ago. But some of the hostages,

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Speaker 11: including Hirsch, Goldberg, Poland, were in the tunnels and trying

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Speaker 11: to celebrate Hanukkah last year and and and and it

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Speaker 11: was moving in this. I mean this, this Knica being

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Speaker 11: a symbol of you know, fighting against the Greek Syrian

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Speaker 11: army and fighting to maintain your practice of religion in

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Speaker 11: the face of of threat and the fact that you

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Speaker 11: see this footage, it is it is moving.

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Speaker 6: In one sense, but also haunting in that all. I

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Speaker 6: think all of these hostages.

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Speaker 11: Were later executed by Lamas not that long after that,

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Speaker 11: So it is it's tough to watch, it's tough to

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Speaker 11: see the photos and video, but in a way, you know,

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Speaker 11: it really hits you in the gut as well.

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Speaker 1: So when Rachel Goldberg Pollen was on the program, she

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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about hers and she would

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Speaker 1: describe him as being just sort of an brilliant bon vivant,

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Speaker 1: loving everything about life, and that's.

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Speaker 2: What he is in this video.

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Speaker 1: I think she's the word luminous. He's making jokes about

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Speaker 1: the Hanuka treats that are typical of the holiday and

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Speaker 1: the particular kind of bread that served, and it does

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine executing them. Who would pull the trigger.

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Speaker 2: On these people?

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Speaker 1: And you realize they're completely brainwashed, And I don't know

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Speaker 1: how anyone ever expects them to abide by any deal whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: in any circumstance that isn't at the point of a gun.

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Speaker 1: They've already broken this ceasefire repeatedly, haven't they.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, look at the video is a remarkable

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Speaker 11: display of resilience in the face of the most dire

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Speaker 11: conditions I can ever imagine. And yes, like that, these

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Speaker 11: are monsters, these are people who I mean. The scary

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Speaker 11: thing is that the ideology, the Islamist extremist ideology that

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Speaker 11: Commas represents is sadly all too frequently represent it by

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Speaker 11: you know, a lot of a lot of the Palestinians

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Speaker 11: that live in Gaza that there hasn't been that widespread,

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Speaker 11: you know, called arms against against these this autocratic and

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Speaker 11: extremist regime. And that's part of the problem that leads

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Speaker 11: to what's next in dealing with Commas. Because we have

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Speaker 11: the Trump twenty point plan. It looks like the White

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Speaker 11: House and the administration trying to move all along the

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Speaker 11: lines illustrated in the plan. But the problem is that

946
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Speaker 11: we've talked about this a lot of the show here

947
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Speaker 11: is that come As isn't going anywhere. And then they

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Speaker 11: still control a sizeable share, not the entire territory, but

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Speaker 11: they have control over a sizeable share of the Gaza

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Speaker 11: strip and there's no real pathway to dislodging them outside

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Speaker 11: of the Israeli military.

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Speaker 3: So we're kind of at a dead end, a.

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Speaker 11: Little bit of a stalemate, and a lot of the

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Speaker 11: allied countries or the Arab countries that are allied with

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Speaker 11: the US, that have said that they might help out

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Speaker 11: and try to try to offer troops or offer offer,

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Speaker 11: you know, some support, they don't want to get involved

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Speaker 11: either because they don't want to. They don't want get

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Speaker 11: involved in the side of the territory that Kamas controls.

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Speaker 11: They don't want to put their troops or put theirs

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Speaker 11: to put their people in danger. So we're kind of

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Speaker 11: out of stalemate. And really it comes to it leads

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Speaker 11: to the fundamental reality. The only force that's able to

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Speaker 11: take on Kamas and able to really at least make

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Speaker 11: make some inroads in uprooting this terrorist group and the

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Speaker 11: tunnels and all the infrastructure is the Israeli defense forces.

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Speaker 11: And that that's sort of the uncomfortable reality, certainly to

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Speaker 11: the to the left, which was railing against the war,

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Speaker 11: railing against Israel's defense against Kamas throughout the last couple

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Speaker 11: of years. But that's the reality. It's the only way

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Speaker 11: to take them out.

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Speaker 1: So elections in Israel have to be held within eight months,

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Speaker 1: and at this point I have no idea nobody. I

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Speaker 1: can't read the polls in Israel, I can't read the

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Speaker 1: polls in the United States. Well, what is the situation,

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Speaker 1: because it would seem to me that we're going to

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Speaker 1: be at the same place we are in Gaza then

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Speaker 1: as we are now, So the polls that we have

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Speaker 1: now are likely to be the polls that we have.

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Speaker 1: Then that's my non non Israeli, non Jewish perspective.

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Speaker 2: Am I right? Am I wrong?

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Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty good summation.

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Speaker 9: Q and I.

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Speaker 11: Look, as much as things change in Israel, the polling

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Speaker 11: has been pretty consistent. The political situation has been pretty chaotic.

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Speaker 11: We don't even know when the elections will officially be held.

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Speaker 11: They're going to have to be held within the next year.

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Speaker 11: The scheduled election date is going to be held in

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Speaker 11: the fall of twenty six, but if the government collapses

990
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Speaker 11: or you know, it falls before then, it could be earlier.

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Speaker 11: Nathan Yahoo is I think vulnerable to I mean, if

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Speaker 11: you look at the polling, his favorability numbers are not great.

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Speaker 11: Despite a lot of these military and national security successes.

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Speaker 11: The big issue now hanging over Israeli politics is the

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Speaker 11: report and the Commission of inquiry about how October seventh

996
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Speaker 11: could have happened. And that's something that Nathan Yaho has

997
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Speaker 11: been trying to stall and has been vulnerable with. But look,

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Speaker 11: the issue with Israeli politics for the opposition as they've

999
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Speaker 11: never been able to really there's so many different parties

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Speaker 11: that it's been hard for them to kind of work

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Speaker 11: together and form sort of the opposition coalition. So I

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Speaker 11: still don't know who is going to kind of merge

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Speaker 11: at the leading figure in that in that space, again.

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Speaker 1: I want to repeat, I'm not Israeli, I'm not Jewish.

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Speaker 1: I don't know Israeli law, but I do know an

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Speaker 1: egomaniac when I see when and I think the Israeli

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Speaker 1: Attorney General is not doing anyone any good?

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Speaker 2: Is that I widely shared. She was appointed by the

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Speaker 2: former government.

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Speaker 1: She's always her mug is always on the news feeds,

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Speaker 1: she's always against the government.

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Speaker 2: She should have been gone a long time ago. Am

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Speaker 2: I way off base?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 11: I will say that the politics in Israel are closely

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Speaker 11: divided on how much control the so called bureaucracy or

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Speaker 11: maybe not. Tanyahu would call it the deep state of

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Speaker 11: how much control? I mean, should they should have it.

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Speaker 11: Actually we've talked about this before, Hugh. The degree of

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Speaker 11: power that you know, the ut elected attorney general that

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Speaker 11: a lot of the utelected bureaucracies have is more significant

1022
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Speaker 11: than here in the United States. There is that that's

1023
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Speaker 11: been sort of the source of a lot of the

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Speaker 11: Naco government's frustration that they have public support for some

1025
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Speaker 11: of the things they're trying to do, but it gets

1026
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Speaker 11: overruled by the courts or by the attorney general, which

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Speaker 11: is not unlike in the US. The attorney general is

1028
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Speaker 11: not picked by the president. It's a bureaucratic role.

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Speaker 2: So it's maddening.

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Speaker 3: That's a big issue.

1031
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: And lawyers already think too much of themselves to begin with,

1032
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Speaker 1: but when you give them that much authority, Oh boy.

1033
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Speaker 1: Josh Crosshauer, editor in Chief, a Jewish insider, Sam on

1034
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Speaker 1: Special Report tonight. Follow him on x at Josh cross

1035
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Speaker 1: Ouer probably the next segment right here on the Hugwits Show.

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Speaker 1: Morning Laurie and Eating Grace America. Merry Christmas to you

1037
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Speaker 1: if you're just joining us. Last week I was in Texas.

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Speaker 1: I broadcast from the American Legislative Exchange Council, and as

1039
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Speaker 1: I was leaving went by the gas station two fifty

1040
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Speaker 1: five a gallon, and which points I registered? We got

1041
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Speaker 1: to get Secretary right, Victory Chris Wright, who heads the

1042
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: Apartment of Energy, back on the program to talk about

1043
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: why in Texas they're paying two dollars and fifty five

1044
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: cents a gallon in Oklahoma two dollars and thirty six

1045
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Speaker 1: offens a gallon, But in California the average cost of

1046
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Speaker 1: gas is four dollars and forty one cents a gallon.

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Speaker 1: Secretary right, welcome back to the program. Thank you for

1048
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 1: making time in a busy holiday season. That's the question.

1049
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: Why is the cost of dog on a mons in

1050
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Speaker 1: California and it's so cheap in Oklahoma?

1051
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 8: See you, Thanks so much for having me. And I'm

1052
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 8: glad there's gas station pumps are delivering online marketing, so

1053
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 8: I'm glad they prompted you to call me. But yeah,

1054
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Speaker 8: and here your numbers, of course are correct. And if

1055
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Speaker 8: I put a map of like the price of gas

1056
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Speaker 8: across the country, you just see uniformly it's higher in

1057
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Speaker 8: blue stakes than it is in red states. So part

1058
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Speaker 8: of that's taxes. In California's case, it's very high gasoline taxes.

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Speaker 8: They have to special California and custom gasoline blend. The

1060
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Speaker 8: rest of our gasoline is not exalted enough for them

1061
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 8: to burn in California. And of course California is running

1062
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 8: into a problem because they've they've got two big refineries

1063
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Speaker 8: that have announced closures that will close in the next

1064
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Speaker 8: twelve months. They won't be able to refine enough of

1065
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Speaker 8: their California gasoline for their California cars. They're the biggest

1066
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Speaker 8: source of internal combustion engines in our country, so they're

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Speaker 8: gonna have to have to have refineries out of state

1068
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Speaker 8: and maybe even in Asia making California blend gasoline coming

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Speaker 8: in and g troop for electricity prices, you know it is,

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Speaker 8: it's six The average price of electricity in Blue state

1071
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Speaker 8: is sixty five percent higher than it is in the

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Speaker 8: average of Red states.

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Speaker 2: Well, i I'm getting there.

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Speaker 1: I've got family up in the Northeast in Maine and Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: They're getting hammered on heating their houses and it's either

1076
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: natural gas or electricity is at fault. I'm going to

1077
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: get the natural gas.

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

1079
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Speaker 1: Why do they not have electric generation capacity in the

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Speaker 1: Blue States?

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Speaker 8: So it's just bad political decisions politicians, you know, I

1082
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Speaker 8: think they thought they were in some you know, climate

1083
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 8: save the World movement, but if they did the math,

1084
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Speaker 8: they would see everything they've done doesn't even move a

1085
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Speaker 8: needle on us little low global greenhouse gas emissions, but

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Speaker 8: yet it has huge impacts on prices in New England.

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Speaker 8: The President and the whole administration are working to bring

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Speaker 8: a solution to that, which is very simple. A natural

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Speaker 8: gas pipeline from Pennsylvania, which is pretty near New England

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Speaker 8: up to the New England States. There is an existing

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Speaker 8: legacy pipeline, so they do get natural gas from the

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Speaker 8: rest of the country, but it can't deliver enough so

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Speaker 8: when it gets called out, you have to prioritize natural

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Speaker 8: gas to keep homes warm, and there's not enough to

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Speaker 8: run the electricity plants, so the gas spikes in price

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Speaker 8: and it drives up their electricity price. It burns diesel

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Speaker 8: oil when it's cold as a marginal source of electricity,

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Speaker 8: so it just drives up electricity prices. A lot of

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Speaker 8: the homes in New England are stated by burning oil,

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Speaker 8: which most houses did one hundred years ago, and then

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Speaker 8: as gas came around, people converted their houses to natural gas,

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Speaker 8: which is cheaper and burns cleaner. But in New England

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Speaker 8: they don't have enough natural gas to convert the oil

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Speaker 8: burning houses for heating to natural gas burning houses.

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Speaker 1: And very look let's pause on that for a moment,

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Speaker 1: because I was again the Alley people. I got an

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Speaker 1: airfoll from the Pennsylvania legislators. They want to build two

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Speaker 1: more pipelines across the state of New York, and the

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Speaker 1: State of New York or local jurisdictions therein will not

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Speaker 1: allow them to build the pipeline.

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Speaker 2: Pipelines are safe, they are not ugly, they deliver. It's

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Speaker 2: like blue state on blue state violence. What's wrong with

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Speaker 2: New York?

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Speaker 8: Just get crazy climate politics? Have the best natural gas

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Speaker 8: shale reserves in the world are under Pennsylvania, West Virginia

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00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 8: and New York and New York band it you can't

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Speaker 8: produce it. So in the case the President Trump, I'll

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Speaker 8: give him huge credit. And our whole administration has been

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Speaker 8: working hard with New York. One of those two pipelines

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Speaker 8: has all the approvals and it'll break ground next month.

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Speaker 8: That is going to lower heating prices, electricity prices in

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Speaker 8: Long Island and parts of New York City. So that's

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Speaker 8: a huge deal. The bigger one that would feed upstate

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Speaker 8: New York and all the six New England states. That

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Speaker 8: one we're still working on. But it's politics in New York.

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Speaker 8: It's crazy that it's in your political best interest to

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Speaker 8: have high prices. But what I think it is is

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Speaker 8: you're viewed as a climate criminal if you're common sense

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Speaker 8: today and you don't get the low prices for another years.

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Speaker 8: So it's not in an interest in New York politicians.

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Speaker 8: But we need to find a way to build that

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Speaker 8: pipeline because it'll aimed the cost of energy for upstate

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Speaker 8: New York and all six New England states. I am

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Speaker 8: committed personally as his secretary Bergham, as is President Trump,

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Speaker 8: to bring that relief to Americans in New England.

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Speaker 1: A week ago on Special Report, we were talking about

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Speaker 1: affordability on the panel and I said, I hope the

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Speaker 1: issue remains affordability because if we keep producing energy at

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Speaker 1: the rate of increase that secretary is right and Burgham

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Speaker 1: are overseeing, the cost of everything will go down. Was

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Speaker 1: I talking through my hat or was I talking truth?

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Speaker 8: I smiled from ear to ear as I heard you

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Speaker 8: say it.

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Speaker 12: I watched it.

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Speaker 8: I saw you on that show but no, it's exactly

1146
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 8: right to you, and as you as I know, you

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00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 8: know well it is just it's the basic infrastructure of

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00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 8: an economy is energy. You can't make anything, you're do

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00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 8: anything without energy. It's a huge variable in the cost

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Speaker 8: of food, in the cost of housing, in the cost

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00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 8: of products. So yes, if you make energy chief, exactly

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Speaker 8: as you said, you lowered the price of everything. That

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00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 8: is President Trump's agenda, lower the price of goods across

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Speaker 8: this country. Now is that make life more affordable. But

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00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 8: if you lower the cost of energy, businesses will relocate

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 8: to your community, jobs and wages will get bit up.

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Speaker 8: Our agenda lower costs, raise wages.

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Speaker 2: I also say energy is freedom. Now.

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Speaker 1: That means China is trying to develop AI like we are.

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00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: They are building the electrical production facilities to power AI

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Speaker 1: and we are not. So where do we stand on

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Speaker 1: the modular reactor front?

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Speaker 2: Secretary right, Dan?

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Speaker 8: Great? Yeah, if you look at those profiles, you're right.

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Speaker 8: If Harris had won the election, there's no way because

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Speaker 8: the China and AI, they're screaming up their electricity production.

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00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 8: Ours has been stagnant for two decades. So aggressive actions

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00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 8: are being taken so that we can and we will.

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Speaker 8: And we are today growing electricity production in the United States.

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Speaker 8: But four years of devastating policies from Biden at the

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Speaker 8: national level and blue state policies. You know, in half

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Speaker 8: the states in our country have dug this in a hole.

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Speaker 8: But we're reversing that hole. We're stopping the closure of

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Speaker 8: coal plants, stopping the closure of gas plants.

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Speaker 2: Hofull.

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Speaker 8: We had to stop the closure of hydro electric dams

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Speaker 8: in Washington State or permitting new affordable, reliable electricity. We're

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Speaker 8: changing some rules that were just silly that reduced the

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Speaker 8: output of power plants. So believe me, we are all

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Speaker 8: in to make it so as fast as the hyperscalers

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Speaker 8: can build data centers, we're going to get electricity to them.

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Speaker 2: Is now let me let me throw your curveball, Secretary right.

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Speaker 1: I had lunch today with an expert on South America

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Speaker 1: who told me that Bolivia, which has turned to the right,

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Speaker 1: thank goodness to free market, is the home to a

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Speaker 1: lot of natural gas. Their landlocked. They need to build

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Speaker 1: a pipeline and they've got the critical rare earth that

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Speaker 1: we need. Do you do any of the international stuff

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Speaker 1: or is that all up to Secretary of Rubia or

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Speaker 1: do you work with them on that, because we got

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Speaker 1: to get Bolivia on our team and producing the stuff

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Speaker 1: that we can't have in the United State.

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Speaker 6: It's not here.

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Speaker 8: And both of those are absolute true. Bolivia has immense

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Speaker 8: gas resources and incredible minding and mineral resources at that

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Speaker 8: whole corner of South America does and no no energy

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Speaker 8: is a global phenomenon. So I am working with the

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Speaker 8: President and Secretary Burgham and Secretary of Rubio around the

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Speaker 8: world on energy policy issues. So we do international stuff.

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Speaker 8: I realized and smr's small modular reactors that you just

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Speaker 8: asked about. The President's goal was to get three of

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Speaker 8: them critical meaning running by July fourth of next year.

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Speaker 8: The two hundred getting for sure our country an aggressive goal,

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Speaker 8: but I actually believe we're going to do it. We

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Speaker 8: will have at least two. I believe we will have

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Speaker 8: three by July four of next year. So these are

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Speaker 8: coming and these are private companies with innovations and private capital.

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Speaker 8: All we're doing is enabling those companies to get running.

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Speaker 8: But the time of small modular reactors is coming now now.

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Speaker 1: Secretary, I don't want to tell anyone where they are

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Speaker 1: because then we'll get local environmentalist wackos par against them.

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Speaker 1: But do you have any doubt about their absolute safety?

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Speaker 1: Because I don't. Because the United States Navy's been running

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Speaker 1: small modular reactors for I don't know, fifty years, sixty years.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any doubt in your mind about them?

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Speaker 8: Zero doubt. Now, it's the safest way to produce energy

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01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 8: on the planet, full stop.

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01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I wish you know.

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Speaker 1: We're going to replay that again and again and again.

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Speaker 1: Secretary right, I thank you for your time today. Come

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01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: back and check in at least quarterly with us on

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01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 1: all this because energy is freedom, and you're in charge

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Speaker 1: of freedom because you're in charge of the Department of Energy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending some time with me.

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Speaker 8: Thanks you, you're the best.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I do know that

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01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 2: energy is freedom and we need more of it.

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Speaker 1: And thank goodness, President Trump is an all of the

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Speaker 1: above guy as his secretary, right, Secretary burgham and I

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Speaker 1: found out today Bolivia.

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Speaker 2: Who knew?

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Speaker 1: Who knew that Bolivia had all the rare earth that

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01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: we need America? They do, and luckily that government has

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Speaker 1: taken a turn to the right after decades of communists,

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Speaker 1: basically decades of radical that people of Olivia said, we'd

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Speaker 1: kind of like to improve our standard of living. That

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01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: means go get our rare earth and sell them to

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Speaker 1: the United States. That's good news. Don't go anywhere, America.

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Speaker 5: I'll be right back on the huge at.

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Speaker 1: Chef servy side looks busy side, looks west in time

1242
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Speaker 1: in the Welcome Back America. You should know why I'm

1243
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: playing this song for Jim Garrity. His podcast is the

1244
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: two Martini Lunch, Three Martini Lunch actually, and this is

1245
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: another than Dean Martin.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Jim, you like this is your

1247
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 2: Christmas music?

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 12: I'm probably fine with it. I might prefer let it

1249
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 12: snow from die Hard, but I'll live with that. But

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Speaker 12: that's a thirty three percent cut, hughy number of martinis?

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Speaker 3: Are we suggestion?

1252
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 5: We need to sober up a little. No lighting, it's nighttime,

1253
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 5: It's it's you know, sun goes down very early when

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01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 5: we approach the winter solstice, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Been brutal inside the beltwegh this week. And I sound

1256
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: like a whiney baby because I'm a whiney baby. I

1257
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: do not like it this cold Gary. Before I get

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01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: to your column on Tim walls in which you said

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Speaker 1: he might be dissolving or falling apart, and that was

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Speaker 1: still in the present tense. I want to find out

1261
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: in the past tense from the Washington Post last week.

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Speaker 1: I just had on Energy Secretary Chris Right, and I

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Speaker 1: have made the argument that if the issue remains affordability

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Speaker 1: by next November, the Republicans will be in good shape

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01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: because production of energy drives everything down, and we're doing

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Speaker 1: that in spage.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with my assessment.

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Speaker 1: I think affordability goes is our issue, Republicans issue if

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Speaker 1: we continue to increase the supply of energy.

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Speaker 5: I am skeptical.

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Speaker 12: If the Trump administration and congressional Republicans can lay out

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Speaker 12: an argument say here are all the things we have done,

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Speaker 12: here's all the things we are still doing, and here

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 12: are all the things we wanted to pass but we

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 12: couldn't pass because of you know, democratic opposition.

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Speaker 5: Then maybe they can point to that.

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Speaker 12: They could point to housing restrictions in blue states and

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01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 12: blue cities and saying, look, there's only so much we

1279
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 12: can do at the federal government. A big problem is

1280
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 12: not in my backyard, and restrictions on housing construction and

1281
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 12: stuff like that that's why housing is expensive.

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 5: They probably could, like, you know, do okay on that.

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Speaker 12: If the President runs around and says you don't need

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01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 12: to buy so many dollars for your daughter, and this

1285
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 12: thing about you don't need thirty seven pencils, you can

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01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 12: get by that he then Republicans are going to get

1287
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 12: shalacked on all of that.

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Speaker 2: That's a bad argument, you know. The good argument is

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Speaker 2: we're doing everything we can.

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Speaker 5: Arguments that arguments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: What I do like, though, is they do have Christopher

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Speaker 1: right just said, we permitted the pipeline from Pennsylvania across

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Speaker 1: New York to bring natural gas to New England, which

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01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: will lower the heating costs of all of the New

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Speaker 1: England states. That's the kind of answer that works. I

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Speaker 1: just think they haven't made the argument yet. It's all

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: about energy. More energy means lower prices for everything, and

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01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: I think I think Americans understand that.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they get that?

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Speaker 5: I think they like lower energy prices.

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Speaker 12: And it is kind of weird to be in this

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Speaker 12: state where people are very upset about the cost of living,

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Speaker 12: and I don't feel like gas prices are really the problem.

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Speaker 12: Most of averages have been around three dollars a gallon.

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Speaker 12: For most of the year that Trump has been in office,

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Speaker 12: dropped a little bit below two dollars a gallon. Unusually

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Speaker 12: when gas prices go up high. You see, you know,

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Speaker 12: all the local news stand up reporters. I'm here, they're

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Speaker 12: looking at the pain at the pump and all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 12: The President keeps saying we're on our way to two

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Speaker 12: dollars a gallon. If that is the case, things will

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Speaker 12: be great. I wish you would not say that we're

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Speaker 12: close to two dollars a gallon when we're like two

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Speaker 12: ninety six.

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Speaker 5: I don't really think it's that close.

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Speaker 12: But really, all in all, gas prices are not the problem,

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Speaker 12: and I wouldn't be bad for the administration to talk

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Speaker 12: about this.

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Speaker 5: I think grocery prices are a big one.

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Speaker 3: Look, if the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 12: Saves the administration by saying these tariffs are nonsense, you

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Speaker 12: can't just impose them willy nilly. You can't change them

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Speaker 12: every six weeks because of what you're what mood you're in.

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Speaker 12: Then conceivably, uh, you know, you livet the tariffs. Businesses

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Speaker 12: have an idea of what the tariff rate is going

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Speaker 12: to actually be and they can actually make plans for this.

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Speaker 12: You know, based on this, I think you'd actually see

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Speaker 12: an economic boom out of the You're supposed to decide

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Speaker 12: the law, not what's good for the economy.

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Speaker 2: I don't get your out seeing that they're going to

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Speaker 2: punt that.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be a punt that would set an

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Speaker 1: NFL record. They're going to send that back down to

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Speaker 1: the Court of Claims to I go tariff by tariff

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Speaker 1: for those which can make a national security argument versus

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Speaker 1: those which can't, and then we'll proceed. It will go

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Speaker 1: on for three years, and then President Trump will retire.

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Speaker 1: That's my prediction. Now, let me turn your watch over this.

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Speaker 12: You don't want to pump that to me because my

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Speaker 12: jests will return it for a touchdown against your part.

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Speaker 2: You know, we lost to the Titans this week, we

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Speaker 2: being the Browns. It's a bliek.

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Speaker 12: You've been tall at that point, right, that's yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 12: that's taking the tanking for a draft choice.

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Speaker 2: Really, really, aren't you a Mets fan? Are you a

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Speaker 2: Mets fan? Did the Mets lose like three other starters

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Speaker 2: this week? I won't go there, uh, and we won't

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Speaker 2: go to this shop.

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Speaker 12: How much of a Mets fan. I'm a very casual

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Speaker 12: Yankee fan. Think wrestling about being a Yankee fan is

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Speaker 12: you have to pay attention to the postseason.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about your column about

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls. You thought his chances to be the nominee

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Speaker 1: were crumbling. That's the header crumbling. Have they now officially

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Speaker 1: crumbled with the Minnesota somal a scandals.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And he was always something of a long shot.

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Speaker 12: You look at the history of people who've been on

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Speaker 12: the losing uh, you know presidential ticket.

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Speaker 5: Sarah Palin, Paul Ryan, you know John Edwards j.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but you end up if nothing else, you have

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Speaker 12: high name recognition, People know who you are.

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Speaker 5: You probably have a decent donor network.

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 12: I think my conclusion to that column was that at

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Speaker 12: this point he's not far from a guarantee for a

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Speaker 12: third term. You know, there's no term limit, but most

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Speaker 12: of the time Minnesota governors run for two and then

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Speaker 12: stick around. And he could have said, I've completed my

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Speaker 12: work in two terms. It's been the adventure of a lifetime.

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Speaker 12: Now I'm going to write a book, I'm going to

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Speaker 12: go teach, I'm going to go sit in a think tank,

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Speaker 12: I'm going to make money on the corporate He could

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Speaker 12: have done all the usual stuff you do when you

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Speaker 12: leave office.

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Speaker 5: Instead, he wants a third term.

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Speaker 12: He's got a record to defend on between now in

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Speaker 12: the primary, which is in I think, may Hugh, if

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Speaker 12: you're a Minnesota Democrat, do you want to spend the

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Speaker 12: year defending him or do you not nominate somebody new

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01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 12: who can say it's time for a change, on a

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Speaker 12: fresh face.

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Speaker 5: You know it's time.

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Speaker 2: I think it's too late.

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Speaker 5: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's too late for them to make their change.

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Speaker 2: But it's not.

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Speaker 1: In California. It's not too late because he's not coming back.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom made the argument today an interview. I got

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Speaker 1: hit with this on a Fox appearance today said we

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Speaker 1: failed on the border, meaning Biden, we absolutely failed. But

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Speaker 1: he's doing that, I think tactically to try and get

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Speaker 1: the issue of his back.

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Speaker 2: Will that work?

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Speaker 12: Jim Well, The good news is is a California doesn't

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Speaker 12: have any policies that effect immigration in any way, shape

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Speaker 12: or form, So clearly none of this could be laid

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Speaker 12: at his feed. And look, on the one hand, yes,

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Speaker 12: it is accurate to say this is primarily a failure

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Speaker 12: of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 5: And who was the person in charge of my Grayson policy?

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Speaker 3: Who is the czar?

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, the vice president. Yeah, the question the next.

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Speaker 3: Follow up question.

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Speaker 12: And I'm glad that he's acknowledging that. I'm glad he's

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Speaker 12: not trying to say, oh, Biden did a terrific job.

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Speaker 12: What do you want to do differently, Governor Newsom, assuming

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Speaker 12: you want to run for president?

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Speaker 5: Everybody knows that he does.

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Speaker 12: What policies of Trump would you keep? What policies would

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Speaker 12: you get rid of? You've done a lot of complaining.

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Speaker 12: Is there any policy on the border that you think

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Speaker 12: has worked out well? Is there any policy of enforcement?

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Speaker 12: My guess is he will His answer will be some

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Speaker 12: version of hamaa hamadahamana.

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Speaker 1: You know that is an all question. Yes, that is

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Speaker 1: is the Okay, I got a quick exit question for you.

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Speaker 1: You've got the robotics geniuses in the household. Which company

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Speaker 1: do they think is going to win the robotics race

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Speaker 1: in the United States?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 12: So the one I keep hearing them meant, this is

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Speaker 12: not an endorsement. Dear dear listeners, don't make stock investment space.

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Speaker 12: We don't give investments of the companies that I hear.

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Speaker 12: One is Tatum Robotics, and without going into specifics, my

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Speaker 12: uh offspring is going to school in Massachusetts and a

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Speaker 12: very strongish one. So yeah, well yeah, I'm bragging without bragging,

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Speaker 12: you know.

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Speaker 5: So Tatum Robotics is one.

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Speaker 12: But the other one that inspired all the interest was

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Speaker 12: Boston Dynamics.

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Speaker 5: And they're the ones that have them singing and dancing

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Speaker 5: and looking all kinds of fun and you just kind

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Speaker 5: of see it. You're waiting for that moment where they

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Speaker 5: turned to the.

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Speaker 12: Eye turned the camera, the eyes turned red and like, ahh,

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Speaker 12: now we're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Get when sky Neet comes, I'm coming to.

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Speaker 1: Your house because maybe your boys will be able to

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Speaker 1: Center Talent. Today, the Republicans rejected extending the subsidies on

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Speaker 1: Obamacare that were emergency subsidies in COVID, and I do

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Speaker 1: not believe they have the votes to pass the Cassidy

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Speaker 1: Crapo alternative, which would be available relief for people at

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Speaker 1: seven hundred percent of the poverty line. So they're going

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Speaker 1: to go way up for the twenty four million Americans

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Speaker 1: who got forced into the state plans.

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Speaker 2: What ought Republicans to do in.

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Speaker 13: Your view, well, I wouldn't mind if they pushed association

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Speaker 13: health plans again. You That's what I passed out of

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Speaker 13: the House now, I guess almost thirty years ago. It

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Speaker 13: would allow small businesses to pull together through their trade

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Speaker 13: associations and buy health insurance on the same terms as

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Speaker 13: big companies. And all you really have to do is

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Speaker 13: exempt them from state regulation and regulate them under ARISSA

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Speaker 13: the same way we regulate multinational corporations. Wouldn't cost anything,

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Speaker 13: would make health insurance available to millions of people. I

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Speaker 13: passed it out of the House on a bipartisan basis

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Speaker 13: two or three times in the late nineties.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea why we haven't done that.

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Speaker 1: I just wrote a column today on state screwing up

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Speaker 1: energy pipelines because of state regulations. Apparently they're doing it

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Speaker 1: to the insurance market as well, because one of the

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Speaker 1: options I've heard out there is removed the ban on

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Speaker 1: the state exchanges cooperating with each other, because that minimizes

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Speaker 1: your risk pool.

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Speaker 3: They would minimize them. Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I introduced the bill and passed it several times, in

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Speaker 13: part because my brother owned for many years of Bar

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Speaker 13: and Grill, and one of the big issues he had

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Speaker 13: as an employee of the corporation was trying to get

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Speaker 13: health insurance. Well, if he joined the restaurant Association and

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Speaker 13: the restaurant Association sponsored plans, which all the small business

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Speaker 13: groups are eager to do, then he could get health

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Speaker 13: insurance as if he was one restaurant as part of

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Speaker 13: a big national corporate chain.

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Speaker 2: So that would be auder and that makes too much sense.

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Speaker 2: That makes too much sense for the American Congress to do,

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Speaker 2: because that really does make it.

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Speaker 13: Another would be to deregulate the Obamacare market, because the

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Speaker 13: reason health insurance costs so much is Obama regulated it

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Speaker 13: so much that most of the insurance companies.

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Speaker 3: Got out of the market.

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Speaker 13: So what we're doing now is paying highly inflated costs

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Speaker 13: to a few insurance companies, and the taxpayers are subsidies subsidizing,

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Speaker 13: and of all the possible solutions to the healthcare problem,

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Speaker 13: probably the worst.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, the worst.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me argue the health savings account. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know this is heresy among free market people. Health

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Speaker 1: savings account as a solution. They're great, great policy innovation.

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Speaker 1: They are not a solution to anything because they require

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Speaker 1: dollars that you haven't got to fund a benefit you

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Speaker 1: might not need. It doesn't actually connect with anyone emotionally.

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Speaker 1: It's not a solution.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree, and well I don't.

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Speaker 13: They're okay, I mean, it's it's fine to have them.

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Speaker 13: There are some people who can take advantage of them,

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Speaker 13: but it's it's not a solution to the systemic problem.

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Speaker 13: And one of the difficulties that I had, you know,

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Speaker 13: and I did do a lot in healthcare in those years,

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Speaker 13: was that there there is a wing of our of

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Speaker 13: conservative scholars who were just insisting on trying to regulate

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Speaker 13: health insurance the way we regulate you know, or or

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Speaker 13: buy health insurance the way we buy car insurance.

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Speaker 3: They want individuals to do it.

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Speaker 13: And if we could go back at a time bubble

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Speaker 13: before World War Two, which is the reason we have

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Speaker 13: employer sponsored health insurance, and you know that story, I

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Speaker 13: do income do right? Income rates, tax rates went way up,

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Speaker 13: but the government was not taxing fringes, so employers started

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Speaker 13: putting a lot of money into fringes, including group healthcare

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Speaker 13: for their employees. But anyway, yeah, really substantial, but incremental

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Speaker 13: solutions are the way to go, and I think maybe

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Speaker 13: next year in a reconciliation bill we can do it

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Speaker 13: because the Democrats are not going to cooperate in the Senate,

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Speaker 13: so we're not going to get sixty votes.

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Speaker 1: Now on the NDAA. It did get out of the House.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it gets out of the It doesn't

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Speaker 1: never not pass. We can't be that irresponsible, could we.

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Speaker 3: No, it's going to pass.

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 13: It's the product of a bipartisan agreement, and it's a good,

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Speaker 13: solid bill, as you would expect on a compromise. A

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Speaker 13: lot of people don't know it codifies I think fifth

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Speaker 13: in all, in total or in part I think fifteen

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Speaker 13: of the President's executive orders, including those relating to DEI

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Speaker 13: in the Department of Defense as well as Golden Dome.

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Speaker 13: It gives authorities to the military to assist with border enforcement.

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Speaker 13: It funds border enforcement. So there's a lot of good

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Speaker 13: things in it, apart from the provisions relating to hypersonics

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Speaker 13: and AI and quantum. My big concern about you is

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Speaker 13: that this year they're only increasing the top line I

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Speaker 13: think nine or ten billion dollars. But little birds tell

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Speaker 13: me that the President's going to propose a big increase

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Speaker 13: next year and it's certainly needed.

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Speaker 1: Is that for a Golden Dome, because it's a lot

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Speaker 1: more expensive than they have budgeted for in the first year,

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Speaker 1: and we need it.

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Speaker 2: We need it yesterday.

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Speaker 13: No, And again this is I'm hearing this from sources.

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Speaker 13: You know, I do trust the President has made a

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Speaker 13: decision that we're going to have to put more money

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Speaker 13: for a lot of things into the budget, and which

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Speaker 13: is a good thing. They have achieved a lot of

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Speaker 13: efficiencies this year. They're working very hard on streamlining acquisition.

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Speaker 13: In fact, there's provisions in the bill relating to that,

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Speaker 13: although I think that's just a question of executive decisiveness

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Speaker 13: and accountability within the Department of War. In other words,

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Speaker 13: you tight chains of command clear responsibilities and hold people

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Speaker 13: accountable for sticking to the plans on the major procurement programs.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what Hexitt is trying to do.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's difficult.

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Speaker 1: Senate staffers have told me Pete Eseth has taken all

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Speaker 1: the arrows and Steve Finberg, who's the number two at DoD,

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Speaker 1: is getting all the work done and that is extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard that from your people? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: As a matter of fact, Secretary of HEXIT said it

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Speaker 13: in his speech to the REGA. He didn't say I'm

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Speaker 13: taking all the arrows, but he said Feinberg is working

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Speaker 13: twenty four to seven. And that's the normal demarcation between

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Speaker 13: SECTEF and Deputy Sector F is the deputy is the

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Speaker 13: one who runs, who manages the department. Let's put that way.

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Speaker 13: And Hexeth is doing a lot of the well I

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Speaker 13: just mentioned DEEI, but the morale, he's doing a lot

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Speaker 13: of the travel obviously. In Feinberg is sticking in the Pentagon,

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Speaker 13: trying to make the trying to make the gears work.

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Speaker 13: And I think he's very good. I mean it's one

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Speaker 13: of the really hopeful signs. I mean, he's good at

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Speaker 13: what he's doing and he's learning all the time.

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Speaker 1: I hope he stays all four years. And you're right

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Speaker 1: about Zecretary Hexsett. He is a walking recruitment poster and

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Speaker 1: it works. Jim Talent, Merry Christmas to you and maybe

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