1 00:00:08,165 --> 00:00:13,245 Speaker 1: Life Audio, the Red Words of Jesus. What he said 2 00:00:13,365 --> 00:00:19,645 Speaker 1: it was a personal relationship which doesn't exist in saidharta, yeah, 3 00:00:19,805 --> 00:00:22,884 Speaker 1: or the Quran or reading or anything that I have 4 00:00:23,005 --> 00:00:26,405 Speaker 1: made a little nibbles or whatever. It was. Actually God's 5 00:00:26,605 --> 00:00:27,685 Speaker 1: really speaking to me. 6 00:00:34,685 --> 00:00:37,725 Speaker 2: Well, so here's the question. We're actually rolling now because 7 00:00:37,765 --> 00:00:40,845 Speaker 2: you said to us, always be rolling, and that's kind 8 00:00:40,845 --> 00:00:41,444 Speaker 2: of a new thing. 9 00:00:41,765 --> 00:00:44,284 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe are always be rolling, BBR. 10 00:00:44,525 --> 00:00:47,684 Speaker 2: So here's a question I wanted to ask you. Have 11 00:00:47,845 --> 00:00:50,205 Speaker 2: you ever been offered a part in a film that 12 00:00:50,284 --> 00:00:53,085 Speaker 2: you turned down that you look back and say, ah, 13 00:00:53,085 --> 00:00:54,245 Speaker 2: I should have taken that one. 14 00:00:55,165 --> 00:00:58,325 Speaker 1: Oh, sure, I'll talk really yeah, there's been a couple 15 00:00:58,405 --> 00:01:02,525 Speaker 1: of them, but that should have happened. I was offered 16 00:01:02,565 --> 00:01:06,525 Speaker 1: big oh wow, the Tom Niggs film. Yeah, I was 17 00:01:06,565 --> 00:01:13,165 Speaker 1: offered that. I was offered. I was petty Peggy Sue 18 00:01:13,245 --> 00:01:16,884 Speaker 1: got married, Oh yes, Michael's Cage, Franciscopola. But I was 19 00:01:16,965 --> 00:01:20,325 Speaker 1: I did the big easy and instead. I don't know 20 00:01:20,325 --> 00:01:24,405 Speaker 1: why I turned down Franciscopola though. Yeah, you know, you 21 00:01:24,444 --> 00:01:29,085 Speaker 1: know that things happen, So you know, everything happened just 22 00:01:29,125 --> 00:01:31,005 Speaker 1: the way it should. Yeah, that's the way I look 23 00:01:31,045 --> 00:01:32,845 Speaker 1: at it. Lilly, You look back, you're loud, and I 24 00:01:32,885 --> 00:01:36,444 Speaker 1: had things like the first director I ever worked with, 25 00:01:36,525 --> 00:01:39,044 Speaker 1: first movie I ever did, is called nine thirty fifty 26 00:01:39,045 --> 00:01:41,605 Speaker 1: five about the day James Steen died. How it affects 27 00:01:41,645 --> 00:01:45,565 Speaker 1: these college kids in Arkansas? Held? Were you when you 28 00:01:45,605 --> 00:01:49,325 Speaker 1: did that? I was twenty twenty one. Wow, James Bridges 29 00:01:49,805 --> 00:01:56,085 Speaker 1: uh directed that? And then you know, I told James 30 00:01:56,525 --> 00:02:01,325 Speaker 1: I had an idea about about gillies in Houston. You 31 00:02:01,365 --> 00:02:04,685 Speaker 1: know that that article came out and he cast me 32 00:02:05,605 --> 00:02:10,445 Speaker 1: urban cowboy. Yeah, I was. I was cast in Vaults 33 00:02:10,485 --> 00:02:15,165 Speaker 1: part Oh my goodness. Yeah, I read with Deborah Winger. Wow. Yeah, 34 00:02:15,605 --> 00:02:19,685 Speaker 1: and you decided and then like that was like for 35 00:02:19,725 --> 00:02:25,125 Speaker 1: two days and then is there a paramount? And after 36 00:02:25,245 --> 00:02:27,405 Speaker 1: lunch he came in and said that I needed to 37 00:02:27,445 --> 00:02:29,805 Speaker 1: talk to you, and he took me outside and he said, 38 00:02:29,925 --> 00:02:33,125 Speaker 1: John Travolda decided he wants to do the moment. And 39 00:02:33,205 --> 00:02:35,605 Speaker 1: that was after Saturday and Nightline, and you know he 40 00:02:35,725 --> 00:02:39,645 Speaker 1: was they had an eight hundred pound gorilla at uh 41 00:02:40,205 --> 00:02:45,044 Speaker 1: then you know, rightly so and uh so that was that. Yeah, 42 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:45,805 Speaker 1: that would hurt. 43 00:02:46,205 --> 00:02:48,925 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have an incredible you know, you have 44 00:02:49,005 --> 00:02:51,165 Speaker 2: to look at your whole career and you have an 45 00:02:51,165 --> 00:02:54,125 Speaker 2: incredible body of work. Really, yeah, and you've played so 46 00:02:54,285 --> 00:02:56,685 Speaker 2: many different types of roles. 47 00:02:56,845 --> 00:02:59,805 Speaker 1: That been really I never got type cast. Yeah, no, 48 00:02:59,845 --> 00:03:02,925 Speaker 1: he didn't, and that was like that many That's probably 49 00:03:02,965 --> 00:03:08,005 Speaker 1: the only intentional part of my career. I wanted to 50 00:03:08,005 --> 00:03:11,925 Speaker 1: play as many different types of roles as possible because 51 00:03:11,925 --> 00:03:16,965 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by humans, by human nature, about you know, 52 00:03:17,005 --> 00:03:19,605 Speaker 1: what we think and what we do and why we 53 00:03:19,645 --> 00:03:22,805 Speaker 1: do it, and you know how we walk. What does 54 00:03:22,845 --> 00:03:26,525 Speaker 1: that mean about that person? And you know, uh, you know, 55 00:03:26,565 --> 00:03:32,605 Speaker 1: we're all we have within us the possibility to be 56 00:03:33,845 --> 00:03:39,005 Speaker 1: Einstein or Charles Manson or you know, or Jerry Julie 57 00:03:39,085 --> 00:03:43,365 Speaker 1: Lewis or there's so there's so much to us. We're 58 00:03:43,565 --> 00:03:47,845 Speaker 1: so complex, and some of it some of it is 59 00:03:47,845 --> 00:03:50,365 Speaker 1: that we're born that way or the jeans, and the 60 00:03:50,445 --> 00:03:54,445 Speaker 1: other part is how we're treated in life and the 61 00:03:54,525 --> 00:03:57,125 Speaker 1: secrets we carry around and what we carry on our 62 00:03:57,165 --> 00:04:05,005 Speaker 1: shoulders and stuff, and that's you know, that's really you 63 00:04:05,045 --> 00:04:11,005 Speaker 1: know that with Jesus, that's what he was fascinated with, 64 00:04:11,005 --> 00:04:12,765 Speaker 1: with all of us, what he cared so much about. 65 00:04:12,885 --> 00:04:14,805 Speaker 1: He was the friend of sinners. People. 66 00:04:15,125 --> 00:04:19,005 Speaker 2: Children were drawn to him, Sinners were drawn to him. 67 00:04:19,325 --> 00:04:22,525 Speaker 2: The only people that didn't like Jesus were the religious people. 68 00:04:22,845 --> 00:04:25,485 Speaker 2: They hated him because he was bad for business. The 69 00:04:25,525 --> 00:04:28,565 Speaker 2: Bible says they killed him for envy. I mean, just 70 00:04:28,605 --> 00:04:32,805 Speaker 2: get him out. He's ruining everything. But he was coming 71 00:04:32,845 --> 00:04:36,445 Speaker 2: to you know, be you know, dying the cross for 72 00:04:36,485 --> 00:04:39,965 Speaker 2: our sin. But it's so interesting that here's God walking 73 00:04:40,005 --> 00:04:43,205 Speaker 2: among us and he's called the friend of sinners and 74 00:04:43,205 --> 00:04:44,525 Speaker 2: that was nothing as a compliment. 75 00:04:45,245 --> 00:04:50,285 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean he wanted us to free ourselves 76 00:04:50,285 --> 00:04:55,445 Speaker 1: from our shame basically, which is sin. You know, there 77 00:04:55,525 --> 00:05:00,525 Speaker 1: are sin that we created, and you know, to free 78 00:05:00,525 --> 00:05:04,365 Speaker 1: ourselves from making sure we could truly be free. Because 79 00:05:04,365 --> 00:05:07,965 Speaker 1: he keeps us from God. Yeah, for sure, it keeps 80 00:05:08,005 --> 00:05:11,085 Speaker 1: us from the Kingdom. Yeah, promise we just keep doing it. 81 00:05:11,125 --> 00:05:12,005 Speaker 1: But that's our nature. 82 00:05:12,125 --> 00:05:15,165 Speaker 2: Yes, that's why in the Lord's prayer we pray our 83 00:05:15,205 --> 00:05:17,005 Speaker 2: father word in heaven, how it would be your name, 84 00:05:17,045 --> 00:05:18,844 Speaker 2: your kingdom, Come here will be done, Give us this 85 00:05:18,965 --> 00:05:22,285 Speaker 2: day daily bread, and forgive us our sins, as we 86 00:05:22,365 --> 00:05:24,205 Speaker 2: forgive those who sinned against us. 87 00:05:24,605 --> 00:05:28,044 Speaker 1: We got to pray it daily. It's a thing we do. Still. 88 00:05:28,485 --> 00:05:32,245 Speaker 2: We need daily bread and we need daily forgiveness, right, right, Yeah, 89 00:05:32,365 --> 00:05:35,805 Speaker 2: we need to Yes, we need to accept and also 90 00:05:36,965 --> 00:05:39,605 Speaker 2: dole out forgiveness. Like one of the roles that you 91 00:05:39,685 --> 00:05:42,005 Speaker 2: did that was very different from other roles you've done, 92 00:05:42,085 --> 00:05:43,685 Speaker 2: though they are all different in their own way, but 93 00:05:43,725 --> 00:05:47,525 Speaker 2: this was really different was when you played Talk Holiday 94 00:05:47,565 --> 00:05:50,005 Speaker 2: and wyatarth and I thought it was stunning because well, 95 00:05:50,045 --> 00:05:53,205 Speaker 2: you didn't even look like yourself. You In my mind 96 00:05:53,845 --> 00:05:56,805 Speaker 2: you became Doc Holiday because I did a little research 97 00:05:56,845 --> 00:06:00,325 Speaker 2: on him after I saw Tombstone and in Vau Kilmer 98 00:06:00,365 --> 00:06:03,445 Speaker 2: did a great portrayal. Yours was very different. I felt 99 00:06:03,485 --> 00:06:08,605 Speaker 2: yours was a deeper die. You really captured the sickly 100 00:06:09,285 --> 00:06:12,565 Speaker 2: you know character in the way that you walked. And 101 00:06:12,685 --> 00:06:14,284 Speaker 2: you must have lost a lot of weight. 102 00:06:15,005 --> 00:06:18,125 Speaker 1: Forty five pounds goods and what it was now, but 103 00:06:18,165 --> 00:06:19,725 Speaker 1: it was right now. I'm not like one hundred and 104 00:06:19,725 --> 00:06:22,405 Speaker 1: eighties and I lost forty five pounds for that, and 105 00:06:22,445 --> 00:06:24,165 Speaker 1: it was I got that where you could see my 106 00:06:24,325 --> 00:06:27,525 Speaker 1: skull you know through the Yeah, it was. Yeah, I 107 00:06:27,565 --> 00:06:30,565 Speaker 1: did it with a doctor as well. You know, it's 108 00:06:30,645 --> 00:06:33,325 Speaker 1: on a very strict diet, but it was a pow 109 00:06:33,565 --> 00:06:39,805 Speaker 1: diet basically, it was. But uh, Doc was got you 110 00:06:40,005 --> 00:06:45,525 Speaker 1: very dear to my heart and uh. And the question 111 00:06:45,605 --> 00:06:47,964 Speaker 1: for me when I do a character is not like 112 00:06:48,085 --> 00:06:53,125 Speaker 1: becoming that person, it's what would I do if I 113 00:06:53,565 --> 00:06:59,285 Speaker 1: were interested that person in that situation. Otherwise you could 114 00:06:59,325 --> 00:07:04,925 Speaker 1: just anybody could be that, you know, could play it. 115 00:07:05,525 --> 00:07:08,645 Speaker 1: So you see Marlon Brando in a movie, you're watching 116 00:07:08,685 --> 00:07:11,365 Speaker 1: Marnon Brando. You're always aware that you're watching. 117 00:07:11,605 --> 00:07:13,925 Speaker 2: But like when you did Reagan, I mean, that's such 118 00:07:13,925 --> 00:07:17,445 Speaker 2: a challenging role because people are so We never heard 119 00:07:17,525 --> 00:07:20,805 Speaker 2: Dug Holliday, we just saw pictures of him, but we 120 00:07:20,885 --> 00:07:24,285 Speaker 2: all heard Ronald Reagan, We saw him many times. Was 121 00:07:24,325 --> 00:07:26,165 Speaker 2: that what you were looking for? Not so much an 122 00:07:26,205 --> 00:07:29,725 Speaker 2: imitation of the way he spoke, but more capturing who 123 00:07:29,805 --> 00:07:31,445 Speaker 2: he was and then like. 124 00:07:31,565 --> 00:07:34,245 Speaker 1: What you would do if you were Ronald Reagan. Yeah, 125 00:07:34,325 --> 00:07:37,125 Speaker 1: it's like I you know, you try to get by, 126 00:07:37,565 --> 00:07:41,205 Speaker 1: you know, past the events and get get to the 127 00:07:41,205 --> 00:07:44,445 Speaker 1: the human of it. Like little little things, you know, 128 00:07:44,605 --> 00:07:46,165 Speaker 1: like the way they walk, the way they talked. There 129 00:07:46,205 --> 00:07:49,285 Speaker 1: was a little interesting little thing Like Reagan. He had 130 00:07:50,525 --> 00:07:53,365 Speaker 1: hit a little nerve damage, he had a crooked smile. Yeah, 131 00:07:53,565 --> 00:07:56,885 Speaker 1: you know, and I had something to do with I 132 00:07:56,925 --> 00:08:01,165 Speaker 1: think an injury at some point even at birth. Who knows, 133 00:08:01,325 --> 00:08:04,085 Speaker 1: but you know hit that his mouth was because the 134 00:08:04,125 --> 00:08:07,885 Speaker 1: bustles didn't really I never know that and he did 135 00:08:07,925 --> 00:08:11,125 Speaker 1: the little head tilt a little bit and uh and 136 00:08:11,245 --> 00:08:15,005 Speaker 1: that will Yeah, And you know I tried to relate 137 00:08:15,045 --> 00:08:19,245 Speaker 1: with him, like I felt like in the in the 138 00:08:19,285 --> 00:08:23,325 Speaker 1: more of a really getting into you know, talking to 139 00:08:23,365 --> 00:08:26,165 Speaker 1: people who knew him and also just feeling him. Yeah. 140 00:08:26,685 --> 00:08:30,045 Speaker 1: Was that Ronald Reagan was an actor? Yeah, just like 141 00:08:30,285 --> 00:08:34,365 Speaker 1: and I was. Ronald Reagan never got fulfilled as an actor. 142 00:08:34,444 --> 00:08:37,285 Speaker 1: He never got to a place that he wanted to. 143 00:08:38,285 --> 00:08:41,405 Speaker 1: And he was married, yeah to Jane Wyman, giant woman 144 00:08:41,405 --> 00:08:44,165 Speaker 1: who won an Academy award. How they do it? I 145 00:08:44,205 --> 00:08:48,165 Speaker 1: was married to Meg Ryan. You like, you know, transcended 146 00:08:48,205 --> 00:08:51,645 Speaker 1: my career while we were together as well. And uh 147 00:08:51,925 --> 00:08:56,085 Speaker 1: that hard. You want to tell yourself that it's you 148 00:08:56,125 --> 00:08:59,085 Speaker 1: know that you don't care about that and stuff and 149 00:08:59,125 --> 00:09:02,444 Speaker 1: you know yet, but it's like, yeah, it's just that 150 00:09:02,605 --> 00:09:05,324 Speaker 1: you start to kind of like feel yourself disappear a 151 00:09:05,565 --> 00:09:07,765 Speaker 1: little bit in a way that you're kind of like 152 00:09:07,805 --> 00:09:10,325 Speaker 1: it's a little shape because you know, I'm not that 153 00:09:10,405 --> 00:09:12,725 Speaker 1: kind of person, but that you kind of feel like 154 00:09:12,885 --> 00:09:16,605 Speaker 1: you're disappearing a little bit, so you know, with that 155 00:09:17,845 --> 00:09:21,725 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And you know when he was he 156 00:09:21,805 --> 00:09:24,245 Speaker 1: got dad where you know where when he left the studio, 157 00:09:24,325 --> 00:09:28,045 Speaker 1: he became the President's Screen Actors Guild VERSU, vice President 158 00:09:28,165 --> 00:09:32,965 Speaker 1: and President of Screen Actors Guild. Uh. And then you know, 159 00:09:33,045 --> 00:09:36,965 Speaker 1: he was working in Vegas. He's kind of like working 160 00:09:37,005 --> 00:09:43,165 Speaker 1: for g Burless shows like Burless shows and in Las Vegas. 161 00:09:43,285 --> 00:09:46,365 Speaker 1: And then that's when ge came in, when television came 162 00:09:47,125 --> 00:09:50,925 Speaker 1: came along, and that was this that was really the 163 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:53,925 Speaker 1: comeback of Ronald regul where he found himself. 164 00:09:54,125 --> 00:09:58,125 Speaker 2: And the acting ability certainly worked in his favor, because 165 00:09:58,325 --> 00:10:02,964 Speaker 2: what do you memorize a script? You deliver this message 166 00:10:03,405 --> 00:10:06,605 Speaker 2: and it's not pretending you believe it. You become that. 167 00:10:06,725 --> 00:10:11,085 Speaker 2: But in his situation, he was this real man, but 168 00:10:11,205 --> 00:10:13,564 Speaker 2: he had acting ability, right. 169 00:10:13,405 --> 00:10:18,125 Speaker 1: So they himself president was the greatest party ever played. Yeah, yeah, 170 00:10:18,325 --> 00:10:18,965 Speaker 1: it really was. 171 00:10:19,125 --> 00:10:21,445 Speaker 2: I think he said he was prepared for dealing with 172 00:10:21,525 --> 00:10:23,805 Speaker 2: the world leaders with working at the heads of the 173 00:10:23,885 --> 00:10:26,965 Speaker 2: studios before that. He says, Oh, I've dealt with worse 174 00:10:26,965 --> 00:10:30,245 Speaker 2: than these foreign leaders, you know, I mean what happened 175 00:10:30,245 --> 00:10:34,645 Speaker 2: with Reagan and Gorbachev, Like you had this trifecta. Maybe 176 00:10:34,645 --> 00:10:37,245 Speaker 2: there was four of them, but you have Reagan, you 177 00:10:37,245 --> 00:10:40,765 Speaker 2: have Margaret Thatcher, you have Mikhil Gerbachev, and you have 178 00:10:40,885 --> 00:10:44,365 Speaker 2: the Pope, and all of them together kind of worked 179 00:10:44,405 --> 00:10:49,365 Speaker 2: in a way to overthrow the emerging communism. Of course, 180 00:10:49,445 --> 00:10:52,085 Speaker 2: Marxism and communism is with us. 181 00:10:52,205 --> 00:10:55,405 Speaker 1: Gorbachev is trying to save communists or what he was doing. 182 00:10:55,485 --> 00:10:59,925 Speaker 1: And each one had their own agenda, right, and but 183 00:11:00,045 --> 00:11:05,445 Speaker 1: Reagan definitely had a strategy about that which was was brilliant. Yeah, Well, 184 00:11:05,565 --> 00:11:09,085 Speaker 1: outspend them, Yeah, will bankrupt them, and that's what happened. 185 00:11:09,165 --> 00:11:14,684 Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of presidents, you've spent time with President Trump 186 00:11:15,365 --> 00:11:18,365 Speaker 2: and hung out with him, and I've met him and 187 00:11:18,525 --> 00:11:21,925 Speaker 2: been with him as well, And people always ask me 188 00:11:22,005 --> 00:11:26,325 Speaker 2: what's he like, and I tell them he's very personable, 189 00:11:26,605 --> 00:11:31,405 Speaker 2: he's incredibly funny. He's a good listener, and he's a 190 00:11:31,485 --> 00:11:35,125 Speaker 2: really approached, a surprisingly approachable person. 191 00:11:34,965 --> 00:11:41,885 Speaker 1: Very surprisingly approachable and very funny. Yeah, and really genuine. Yeah, 192 00:11:42,205 --> 00:11:44,885 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be president if he wasn't genuine because people, 193 00:11:46,405 --> 00:11:48,925 Speaker 1: the people who voted for him, they know that he 194 00:11:49,005 --> 00:11:51,245 Speaker 1: has their best interest at heart, that he is a 195 00:11:51,285 --> 00:11:53,204 Speaker 1: genuine person. He doesn't need to do this. 196 00:11:53,845 --> 00:11:57,165 Speaker 2: No, he had a very nice life going, and he 197 00:11:57,885 --> 00:12:01,445 Speaker 2: sacrificed probably more than any other person to run for 198 00:12:01,525 --> 00:12:05,605 Speaker 2: office because many go in there, you know, and he 199 00:12:06,085 --> 00:12:08,965 Speaker 2: come out with a fortune or you know, all kinds 200 00:12:09,005 --> 00:12:13,165 Speaker 2: of deals. And Trump left all that. He had a jet, 201 00:12:13,565 --> 00:12:17,165 Speaker 2: he had success, he had all of his development, but 202 00:12:17,245 --> 00:12:19,445 Speaker 2: he wanted to do something for the country. 203 00:12:19,685 --> 00:12:23,645 Speaker 1: He's been talking about it for forty years, ever since 204 00:12:23,645 --> 00:12:27,324 Speaker 1: he's been on television. There's these old interviews and all 205 00:12:27,365 --> 00:12:30,005 Speaker 1: of that. I remember myself the first time I ever 206 00:12:30,205 --> 00:12:32,564 Speaker 1: saw that was in the nineties. Sixty minutes stead a 207 00:12:32,645 --> 00:12:34,965 Speaker 1: thing on him and he was talking about the very 208 00:12:35,085 --> 00:12:39,245 Speaker 1: same thing. It was that he's actually implementing tonight. That's right, 209 00:12:39,285 --> 00:12:42,645 Speaker 1: but enormous. I've never seen anybody that kind of energy. 210 00:12:42,845 --> 00:12:45,685 Speaker 1: People say that about me, but he's he's got it. 211 00:12:47,125 --> 00:12:49,205 Speaker 1: He's really got incredible energy. 212 00:12:49,445 --> 00:12:52,765 Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible like someone I was talking to, Mike Johnson, 213 00:12:52,805 --> 00:12:54,445 Speaker 2: the Speaker of the House, who's a great guy. Have 214 00:12:54,485 --> 00:12:57,845 Speaker 2: you met Mike, Yeah, tremendous guy. And he said that 215 00:12:58,205 --> 00:13:04,125 Speaker 2: people forget this about the president. He built hotels. He's 216 00:13:04,245 --> 00:13:07,365 Speaker 2: he's in the business of hospitality. So when you go 217 00:13:07,405 --> 00:13:10,445 Speaker 2: to the White House, you know he'll host you, and 218 00:13:10,525 --> 00:13:12,725 Speaker 2: I've had a couple of times where he said, you know, 219 00:13:12,805 --> 00:13:14,645 Speaker 2: do a bunch of pastors, would you like to go 220 00:13:14,725 --> 00:13:17,485 Speaker 2: upstairs and see the private quarters. Well, they're like a 221 00:13:17,485 --> 00:13:19,685 Speaker 2: bunch of kids in the candy store. And you go 222 00:13:19,765 --> 00:13:22,165 Speaker 2: up there and you walk into the Lincoln bedroom and 223 00:13:22,205 --> 00:13:24,605 Speaker 2: you've probably been there, you probably stayed there. 224 00:13:24,645 --> 00:13:26,925 Speaker 1: I don't know. No, I say, in the Queen's bedroom 225 00:13:26,965 --> 00:13:30,245 Speaker 1: across the way. Oh did you seriously? Yeah? What sound 226 00:13:30,285 --> 00:13:32,125 Speaker 1: like to wake up in the morning at the White House. 227 00:13:33,045 --> 00:13:36,725 Speaker 1: It's it's really strange. It's very strange. It was the 228 00:13:36,805 --> 00:13:38,845 Speaker 1: Queen's bedroom and then they come up. One thing I 229 00:13:38,885 --> 00:13:41,685 Speaker 1: will say that it kind of puts things in his 230 00:13:41,765 --> 00:13:47,965 Speaker 1: perspective is that they served instant coffee in the mornings breakfast. Wow. Yeah, 231 00:13:48,205 --> 00:13:51,365 Speaker 1: pretty bad coffee at the White House. It was one 232 00:13:51,365 --> 00:13:53,965 Speaker 1: of the only times they're really saving like taster's choice. 233 00:13:54,125 --> 00:13:57,045 Speaker 1: Like this was back during the Clinton era. Oh Clinton, Yeah, 234 00:13:57,085 --> 00:14:00,805 Speaker 1: I stayed there when Clinton was Oh, we just had 235 00:14:00,805 --> 00:14:03,605 Speaker 1: that instant coffee there for you, Dennis. That was the 236 00:14:03,845 --> 00:14:06,685 Speaker 1: time weekend with Bill Clinton. It was just being him. 237 00:14:06,925 --> 00:14:10,805 Speaker 2: Very personable guy, very effective communicator, no question about it. 238 00:14:10,885 --> 00:14:14,765 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was there. I come do a you know, 239 00:14:14,805 --> 00:14:17,165 Speaker 1: because Meg had been invited to a state dinner and 240 00:14:17,205 --> 00:14:19,925 Speaker 1: then she left the next day and he said, you've 241 00:14:19,925 --> 00:14:22,005 Speaker 1: got to stay around and play golf and we got 242 00:14:22,005 --> 00:14:25,405 Speaker 1: it and I don't know that. And then Hillary was 243 00:14:25,805 --> 00:14:28,445 Speaker 1: in Chicago for something and that was just being him 244 00:14:28,485 --> 00:14:30,845 Speaker 1: on a slow news week. That's amazing. In the White House, 245 00:14:31,565 --> 00:14:34,525 Speaker 1: that's incredible. Yeah, I roamed around the whole thing just 246 00:14:34,565 --> 00:14:35,285 Speaker 1: by myself. 247 00:14:35,405 --> 00:14:39,125 Speaker 2: You know, the things have gone so extremely, so far 248 00:14:39,245 --> 00:14:42,525 Speaker 2: left right now. I saw a podcast it was Bill 249 00:14:42,605 --> 00:14:48,205 Speaker 2: Maher and Dana Carvey and I'm forgetting the other guy's name, 250 00:14:48,445 --> 00:14:51,925 Speaker 2: but anyway, I think it was Dana Carvey said, I've 251 00:14:51,965 --> 00:14:55,645 Speaker 2: told my friends in Hollywood I'm a Clinton Democrat and 252 00:14:55,685 --> 00:14:56,165 Speaker 2: some of them. 253 00:14:56,125 --> 00:14:58,445 Speaker 1: Are calling me a Nazi. Now. So to be a 254 00:14:58,485 --> 00:15:01,805 Speaker 1: Clinton Democrat, you can't do that now, not extreme enough. 255 00:15:01,925 --> 00:15:04,125 Speaker 1: I guess it's the same thing as being a neo cotton, 256 00:15:04,325 --> 00:15:07,365 Speaker 1: you know, to on the right side or whatever, you know, 257 00:15:07,405 --> 00:15:12,285 Speaker 1: what used to be you can't be anymore. And I'm 258 00:15:12,285 --> 00:15:16,365 Speaker 1: a common sense I mean, I'm a common sense independent myself. 259 00:15:17,405 --> 00:15:21,365 Speaker 1: You know, I think I leaned more conservative in my head, 260 00:15:21,845 --> 00:15:27,045 Speaker 1: but it's I'm just for common sense. Yes, that's really 261 00:15:27,045 --> 00:15:28,245 Speaker 1: what I am. Yeah. 262 00:15:28,365 --> 00:15:32,685 Speaker 2: Now let's talk a little bit about your amazing faith story. 263 00:15:33,285 --> 00:15:35,285 Speaker 2: You were raised in a Christian home, You had a 264 00:15:35,325 --> 00:15:38,605 Speaker 2: very godly mother who was a big influence on your life. 265 00:15:39,525 --> 00:15:42,645 Speaker 2: You went to Hollywood, you started having success, You had 266 00:15:42,685 --> 00:15:45,765 Speaker 2: an amazing still are having an amazing career. You were 267 00:15:45,805 --> 00:15:48,245 Speaker 2: just telling me about all the films you're working on. 268 00:15:48,325 --> 00:15:51,845 Speaker 2: You were so busy, like back to back films. But 269 00:15:51,965 --> 00:15:55,605 Speaker 2: then you had a time where you started wandering away 270 00:15:55,645 --> 00:15:58,965 Speaker 2: from that foundation you were raised with and you got 271 00:15:59,005 --> 00:16:03,605 Speaker 2: into all kinds of different Eastern mysticism, ultimately ended up 272 00:16:04,085 --> 00:16:07,525 Speaker 2: in using a lot of cocaine and you were going 273 00:16:07,525 --> 00:16:10,165 Speaker 2: the wrong way fast. Did I sum it up? 274 00:16:10,725 --> 00:16:12,605 Speaker 1: Kind of? Kind of sort of? I mean I was. 275 00:16:13,925 --> 00:16:16,325 Speaker 1: I was always like I had one foot over here 276 00:16:16,365 --> 00:16:18,085 Speaker 1: in one day and I had like the devil of 277 00:16:18,125 --> 00:16:21,085 Speaker 1: an angel on my shoulders. It seemed like, you know, 278 00:16:21,125 --> 00:16:24,325 Speaker 1: from the time I was probably about sixteen, but I 279 00:16:24,365 --> 00:16:27,005 Speaker 1: got I was you know, I grew up in the 280 00:16:27,045 --> 00:16:29,885 Speaker 1: Baptist church. We went and Dave, my grandfather, was a 281 00:16:29,925 --> 00:16:32,965 Speaker 1: Baptist preacher. You know, at one point, at one point 282 00:16:33,005 --> 00:16:37,165 Speaker 1: in his life, not throughout a tent preacher, and I 283 00:16:37,205 --> 00:16:42,045 Speaker 1: got disillusioned with Churchianity. I think, you know, this is 284 00:16:42,085 --> 00:16:48,205 Speaker 1: like the sixties and I I in high school. I 285 00:16:48,325 --> 00:16:52,365 Speaker 1: read this book Sidhartha by Hermann Hesse, which is really 286 00:16:52,405 --> 00:16:57,125 Speaker 1: the story of Buddha. Yeah, and it it was very 287 00:16:57,285 --> 00:17:03,925 Speaker 1: stripped away principles of God in a way. It was 288 00:17:03,925 --> 00:17:08,725 Speaker 1: about meditation and stuff that peace and it. It really 289 00:17:08,764 --> 00:17:12,125 Speaker 1: took me and I really started to study and there 290 00:17:12,205 --> 00:17:17,365 Speaker 1: there there's also like I couldn't understand and I used 291 00:17:17,365 --> 00:17:19,644 Speaker 1: to have this debate all the time. But my mother's like, 292 00:17:21,165 --> 00:17:23,604 Speaker 1: you have to be saved in order to go to heaven, 293 00:17:23,685 --> 00:17:26,925 Speaker 1: otherwise you're going to hell. Well, what about the billion Chinese? 294 00:17:27,405 --> 00:17:30,404 Speaker 1: What about all the Buddhists? What about all the devout Buddhists? 295 00:17:30,604 --> 00:17:34,165 Speaker 1: And I went around the world asking people, in fact, 296 00:17:34,324 --> 00:17:39,044 Speaker 1: you know, who is God? Do you interesting? Well, you know, 297 00:17:39,524 --> 00:17:42,645 Speaker 1: that's really what I was. I was a seeker and 298 00:17:42,965 --> 00:17:44,645 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in India. I went 299 00:17:44,685 --> 00:17:50,885 Speaker 1: to India eleven times in uh nine years in fact, 300 00:17:52,125 --> 00:17:56,924 Speaker 1: during the late eighties and nineties, and I would go 301 00:17:57,004 --> 00:18:00,804 Speaker 1: there like seeking God. You know, did these asthetics and 302 00:18:00,885 --> 00:18:03,125 Speaker 1: you go out to the country to stay in these ashrams, 303 00:18:03,165 --> 00:18:06,844 Speaker 1: and to meditate. I read that, I read the Quran. 304 00:18:08,284 --> 00:18:11,244 Speaker 1: I read like I said that Tom, I'm part of 305 00:18:11,284 --> 00:18:13,685 Speaker 1: the back of the Gita all that, and I came 306 00:18:13,725 --> 00:18:18,525 Speaker 1: back after I you know, I also, you know, when 307 00:18:18,524 --> 00:18:22,004 Speaker 1: I got into cocaine and that, you know, seeking other 308 00:18:22,044 --> 00:18:26,324 Speaker 1: things to kind of fill that that hole. And I 309 00:18:26,365 --> 00:18:29,165 Speaker 1: was still I still considered myself a Christian. In fact, 310 00:18:29,165 --> 00:18:33,564 Speaker 1: they called myself a zen Baptist for a very for 311 00:18:33,564 --> 00:18:37,884 Speaker 1: for for quite a while. And but I you know, 312 00:18:38,125 --> 00:18:42,244 Speaker 1: I got into the world basically. When I say cocaine, 313 00:18:42,324 --> 00:18:44,844 Speaker 1: it's I really got into the world what the world 314 00:18:44,885 --> 00:18:48,924 Speaker 1: has to offer you about you know, fulfillment, you know, 315 00:18:49,244 --> 00:18:52,445 Speaker 1: quick fixes or whatever. Of course that didn't work, and 316 00:18:52,484 --> 00:18:55,244 Speaker 1: that wound up on a on a heap. You know, 317 00:18:55,645 --> 00:18:59,004 Speaker 1: I was headed towards death with that, because that's you know, 318 00:18:59,205 --> 00:19:00,884 Speaker 1: that's the end of the road with that stuff. No 319 00:19:00,925 --> 00:19:04,284 Speaker 1: matter even if you live to be eighty with it, 320 00:19:04,284 --> 00:19:05,965 Speaker 1: it's going to lead you to death. And you never 321 00:19:06,044 --> 00:19:10,124 Speaker 1: really lived, wow, because it leaves a hole there that 322 00:19:10,165 --> 00:19:13,564 Speaker 1: you never really filled. And when I got done with 323 00:19:13,645 --> 00:19:15,524 Speaker 1: all that, and you when it came back and I 324 00:19:15,685 --> 00:19:19,244 Speaker 1: read the because you then when you don't have that 325 00:19:19,365 --> 00:19:22,644 Speaker 1: to prop you up, you know, for that twelve hours 326 00:19:22,725 --> 00:19:25,645 Speaker 1: or whatever it is that that's going on. Then you 327 00:19:25,685 --> 00:19:29,605 Speaker 1: really have to take a hard look at yourself and inside. 328 00:19:29,685 --> 00:19:33,125 Speaker 1: And I started reading the Bible again, and this time 329 00:19:33,205 --> 00:19:38,284 Speaker 1: I especially the New Testament. It was it was the 330 00:19:38,284 --> 00:19:43,124 Speaker 1: Red Words of Jesus that really struck me. That the 331 00:19:43,165 --> 00:19:47,284 Speaker 1: thing about the Red Words of Jesus, what he said, 332 00:19:48,205 --> 00:19:52,644 Speaker 1: It took everything else that I had gotten in the 333 00:19:53,645 --> 00:19:59,325 Speaker 1: it in in the in Sidharta or or the Quran 334 00:19:59,645 --> 00:20:02,205 Speaker 1: or reading or anything that I have made a little 335 00:20:02,284 --> 00:20:06,925 Speaker 1: nibbles or whatever. But the thing was was personal. It 336 00:20:06,965 --> 00:20:11,724 Speaker 1: was actually God's really speaking to me. It was a 337 00:20:11,764 --> 00:20:18,844 Speaker 1: personal relationship which doesn't exist with any with any of 338 00:20:18,885 --> 00:20:25,605 Speaker 1: the others. Yeah, that is a living personal relationship right now. 339 00:20:25,685 --> 00:20:27,645 Speaker 1: And all you have to do is take off your blinders. 340 00:20:27,725 --> 00:20:31,004 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, in order to have it. And you're being invited. 341 00:20:31,484 --> 00:20:36,204 Speaker 1: And that's when my personal relationship with Jesus started. Was 342 00:20:36,205 --> 00:20:37,085 Speaker 1: back then, you. 343 00:20:37,044 --> 00:20:39,885 Speaker 2: Know, you were kind of on the cutting edge of 344 00:20:40,205 --> 00:20:43,085 Speaker 2: what we now call maybe faith films. They've been around forever, 345 00:20:43,804 --> 00:20:47,244 Speaker 2: but maybe in earlier times they were there, but they 346 00:20:47,484 --> 00:20:50,885 Speaker 2: just weren't good ever. But you were in a film 347 00:20:51,044 --> 00:20:53,325 Speaker 2: that I think was right ground. It was groundbreaking done 348 00:20:53,365 --> 00:20:56,205 Speaker 2: by the Kingdom story company called I can only imagine 349 00:20:56,604 --> 00:20:59,044 Speaker 2: they were telling me earlier when you were willing to 350 00:20:59,084 --> 00:21:01,284 Speaker 2: come and be in their film, is that it made 351 00:21:01,284 --> 00:21:03,805 Speaker 2: all the difference in the world because now people are 352 00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:07,445 Speaker 2: going to pay attention. And you played the role of 353 00:21:07,844 --> 00:21:10,764 Speaker 2: Arthur Mallard, the father of Bart Millard. And I thought 354 00:21:10,764 --> 00:21:13,405 Speaker 2: when I watched that performance of yours, never seen many 355 00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:16,484 Speaker 2: of your films, I thought, this is oscar worthy. This 356 00:21:16,645 --> 00:21:19,044 Speaker 2: you should have been nominated for this role because it 357 00:21:19,084 --> 00:21:22,764 Speaker 2: was so effective and so moving. But but that would 358 00:21:22,965 --> 00:21:25,084 Speaker 2: then a lot of other films to come that film 359 00:21:25,885 --> 00:21:29,844 Speaker 2: way outperform what expectations were at the box office. 360 00:21:29,925 --> 00:21:32,164 Speaker 1: I think they had what was that they thought They 361 00:21:32,205 --> 00:21:34,004 Speaker 1: thought it was going to make like two million. That's 362 00:21:34,044 --> 00:21:39,165 Speaker 1: what you know, the the captains of industry, you know, right, 363 00:21:41,445 --> 00:21:44,965 Speaker 1: the box office which voodoo people, Yeah, said it was 364 00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:49,844 Speaker 1: going to make two million in May seventeen. Well Faith films, yeah, 365 00:21:49,925 --> 00:21:53,524 Speaker 1: you're you're right. They were not very good when they 366 00:21:53,524 --> 00:21:56,244 Speaker 1: were first being done. Well, I will say I will 367 00:21:56,244 --> 00:21:58,884 Speaker 1: say this, they were amateurish. Yeah, you know, they didn't 368 00:21:58,885 --> 00:22:01,484 Speaker 1: really have like a real script, a real set, or 369 00:22:01,925 --> 00:22:06,685 Speaker 1: like people who knew what they were doing making them, 370 00:22:07,084 --> 00:22:14,925 Speaker 1: and uh Mel made his movie. Was I think maybe 371 00:22:14,965 --> 00:22:22,645 Speaker 1: that really was a wake up Yeah, the Passion, Yeah 372 00:22:22,885 --> 00:22:27,164 Speaker 1: it was. It was amazing with that how that. 373 00:22:27,084 --> 00:22:30,965 Speaker 2: Movie, it was a phenomenon. Yeah, it was just a movie. 374 00:22:31,524 --> 00:22:33,925 Speaker 2: It impacted people around. 375 00:22:33,645 --> 00:22:38,165 Speaker 1: The world literally. Why Yeah, you know, nobody in Hollywood 376 00:22:38,205 --> 00:22:41,484 Speaker 1: wanted to to to make them, and you know they're 377 00:22:41,524 --> 00:22:44,924 Speaker 1: really hostile about it about making anything that has to 378 00:22:44,965 --> 00:22:47,405 Speaker 1: do with Jesus. Did want to rip it out. I'd 379 00:22:47,445 --> 00:22:49,924 Speaker 1: made a movie before I made I can only imagine 380 00:22:50,925 --> 00:22:53,965 Speaker 1: Soul Surfer. I remember it. Yeah, that's a great film. 381 00:22:54,004 --> 00:22:58,205 Speaker 1: But first you know Hamilton. Yeah, and we were in 382 00:22:58,244 --> 00:23:02,284 Speaker 1: rehearsal for that in Hawaii, you know, it was cast 383 00:23:02,804 --> 00:23:08,484 Speaker 1: and they the reading of the script, and the producer 384 00:23:08,564 --> 00:23:13,124 Speaker 1: got up and said that, well, you know what we 385 00:23:13,205 --> 00:23:16,364 Speaker 1: want to do. We really love this thing and Hamilton 386 00:23:16,484 --> 00:23:21,045 Speaker 1: family is there. Actually you know, we want to want 387 00:23:21,084 --> 00:23:25,084 Speaker 1: to take out the references to Jesus really and to 388 00:23:25,284 --> 00:23:30,445 Speaker 1: Christianity because we don't want to offend people. And uh, 389 00:23:30,764 --> 00:23:33,205 Speaker 1: you know, we want the movie to do well, but 390 00:23:33,405 --> 00:23:38,764 Speaker 1: just take out you know, it's too much, you know, 391 00:23:39,044 --> 00:23:44,404 Speaker 1: of Uh And I said up, I said, okay, Uh, 392 00:23:44,725 --> 00:23:46,965 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I signed up for this, 393 00:23:47,804 --> 00:23:50,404 Speaker 1: you know, to play this family, you know, play this 394 00:23:50,484 --> 00:23:55,764 Speaker 1: family in this beautiful story here. And the Christianity, their 395 00:23:55,844 --> 00:24:00,004 Speaker 1: their faith is so much a part of their fabric. 396 00:24:00,084 --> 00:24:03,685 Speaker 1: This is who they are and this is their story. 397 00:24:04,725 --> 00:24:06,965 Speaker 1: And if you're gonna, if you're going to take that out, 398 00:24:07,365 --> 00:24:10,445 Speaker 1: then I'm out of this movie too, because I'm I'm 399 00:24:10,484 --> 00:24:17,484 Speaker 1: not interested because that was who they were. So, you know, 400 00:24:17,524 --> 00:24:21,044 Speaker 1: in the movie went on to do really well because 401 00:24:21,125 --> 00:24:25,525 Speaker 1: of that, people showed up there was I realized there 402 00:24:25,564 --> 00:24:32,084 Speaker 1: was a real thirst for I wouldn't call faith films, 403 00:24:32,284 --> 00:24:34,685 Speaker 1: you know, I even call them whatever you want, but 404 00:24:35,004 --> 00:24:38,445 Speaker 1: I just call them good movies that people want to 405 00:24:38,484 --> 00:24:43,244 Speaker 1: see about things that really mattered that people people want 406 00:24:43,284 --> 00:24:45,204 Speaker 1: to see. I mean, I go to the movies not 407 00:24:45,244 --> 00:24:49,445 Speaker 1: to see things, to feel things. That's that's why I 408 00:24:49,484 --> 00:24:52,004 Speaker 1: go to the movies. I think that's why we all do. 409 00:24:52,125 --> 00:24:54,125 Speaker 1: We would like to do it, you know in crowds too, 410 00:24:54,405 --> 00:24:57,084 Speaker 1: you know, because we want to feel all of that together, 411 00:24:57,405 --> 00:25:00,764 Speaker 1: which is just like what we're doing in church. And 412 00:25:01,484 --> 00:25:05,524 Speaker 1: that's an interesting insight. Yeah, and so long came I 413 00:25:05,524 --> 00:25:10,964 Speaker 1: only imagine and I I really wanted to work with 414 00:25:11,004 --> 00:25:12,484 Speaker 1: these these guys. 415 00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:16,004 Speaker 2: Do you think we're seeing the spiritual awakening in America? 416 00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:19,644 Speaker 2: And do you think it's even affecting Hollywood as we 417 00:25:19,685 --> 00:25:20,004 Speaker 2: call it? 418 00:25:20,044 --> 00:25:23,244 Speaker 1: Does something? For sure? Really? What do you think that? Oh? Yeah, 419 00:25:23,365 --> 00:25:26,484 Speaker 1: I said that. I actually said that, you know, blorder 420 00:25:26,604 --> 00:25:32,644 Speaker 1: that out like on on Zoom interviews back during COVID, 421 00:25:33,084 --> 00:25:37,844 Speaker 1: But it first started that, you know, I said that that. 422 00:25:38,004 --> 00:25:40,004 Speaker 1: You know, what I really feel like is going on 423 00:25:40,084 --> 00:25:43,845 Speaker 1: right now is it's where we're going through a spiritual revolution, 424 00:25:44,564 --> 00:25:48,604 Speaker 1: as the whole world is. And this is like the 425 00:25:48,604 --> 00:25:52,044 Speaker 1: think about you know, spiritual revolution is that it's not 426 00:25:52,244 --> 00:25:56,804 Speaker 1: nice and neat. You know, it's difficult. You know, I say, 427 00:25:56,844 --> 00:25:59,524 Speaker 1: You've got to be careful about what you ask God 428 00:25:59,604 --> 00:26:02,044 Speaker 1: for because he just might give it to you. Well, 429 00:26:02,725 --> 00:26:05,364 Speaker 1: and you're going to go, well, I didn't mean it 430 00:26:05,405 --> 00:26:08,324 Speaker 1: like that. I guarantee you you're going to say, oh, 431 00:26:08,445 --> 00:26:12,124 Speaker 1: I didn't mean that. But this goes with the territory, 432 00:26:12,284 --> 00:26:15,884 Speaker 1: and that's you know, in order to have real change, 433 00:26:17,084 --> 00:26:23,045 Speaker 1: it's we're grabbed. We are really people are say they 434 00:26:23,084 --> 00:26:26,484 Speaker 1: want change, but they are drag kicking and screaming into 435 00:26:26,604 --> 00:26:29,644 Speaker 1: it when it occurs. Do you think it's affecting the 436 00:26:29,685 --> 00:26:32,364 Speaker 1: whole country right now. Oh yeah, I think it's you 437 00:26:32,405 --> 00:26:36,685 Speaker 1: can already see it's from Yah, we're like me, feel 438 00:26:36,725 --> 00:26:39,445 Speaker 1: like it's still a struggle and a fight, but it's 439 00:26:39,844 --> 00:26:43,004 Speaker 1: you can you can you you can see it's fruit 440 00:26:43,125 --> 00:26:48,124 Speaker 1: and you can feel it. And uh, I'm not talking 441 00:26:48,125 --> 00:26:53,605 Speaker 1: about Republican and Democrat either, I'm talking about I am 442 00:26:53,645 --> 00:26:57,884 Speaker 1: talking about those two coming together. Yeah. The Bible is 443 00:26:57,885 --> 00:27:00,684 Speaker 1: a story of two brothers, is it not. That's what 444 00:27:00,925 --> 00:27:03,965 Speaker 1: that's hits me every time I get it. I mean 445 00:27:04,405 --> 00:27:06,965 Speaker 1: so many brother stories starting with Cana and Abel, you know, 446 00:27:07,165 --> 00:27:09,804 Speaker 1: on through you can even kind of make that it 447 00:27:10,044 --> 00:27:14,284 Speaker 1: that see that story in Jesus and either Judas or 448 00:27:14,484 --> 00:27:18,885 Speaker 1: on the Baptist or whatever. You know, Uh, prodigal son, Yes, 449 00:27:19,004 --> 00:27:23,805 Speaker 1: older son, the older brother. It's amazing because God always 450 00:27:23,885 --> 00:27:29,445 Speaker 1: chose the younger brother every time except for Jesus. Yeah 451 00:27:29,685 --> 00:27:37,445 Speaker 1: he was the firstborn. Yeah. But uh, it's it's revolution. Yeah. 452 00:27:37,484 --> 00:27:40,325 Speaker 2: So let's say there's somebody watching this right now and 453 00:27:41,004 --> 00:27:44,885 Speaker 2: they're younger, and they haven't lived the life that you've 454 00:27:44,925 --> 00:27:48,365 Speaker 2: lived or that I've lived, and all these things look 455 00:27:48,445 --> 00:27:54,244 Speaker 2: shiny and new and exciting. Maybe it's drugs. Maybe it's partying. 456 00:27:54,405 --> 00:27:57,405 Speaker 2: Maybe it's oh, if I have this level of success. 457 00:27:57,445 --> 00:28:00,764 Speaker 2: So many now are having success as influencers. You know, 458 00:28:01,604 --> 00:28:03,604 Speaker 2: they get a channel and they get a lot of 459 00:28:03,645 --> 00:28:07,244 Speaker 2: people clicking and they're a tizing it and so they're 460 00:28:07,324 --> 00:28:11,404 Speaker 2: chasing up to these things. But maybe they're wondering is 461 00:28:11,445 --> 00:28:14,125 Speaker 2: there more? What would you say to a person who's searching, 462 00:28:14,645 --> 00:28:17,924 Speaker 2: maybe in the shoes of a younger Dennis Quaid, what 463 00:28:17,965 --> 00:28:20,924 Speaker 2: would you say to them right now, like this is 464 00:28:20,925 --> 00:28:21,804 Speaker 2: what you need to know? 465 00:28:22,604 --> 00:28:26,804 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well I had people say you know that to 466 00:28:26,925 --> 00:28:30,044 Speaker 1: me about hey, you know, I got to get you 467 00:28:30,125 --> 00:28:34,645 Speaker 1: nowhere and whatever, but I didn't really listen. Yeah, all 468 00:28:34,685 --> 00:28:38,045 Speaker 1: I could say is I look back on that in 469 00:28:38,045 --> 00:28:40,285 Speaker 1: in a way I'm grateful that I lived through it, 470 00:28:42,084 --> 00:28:45,245 Speaker 1: and there is you're in school now. That's what I 471 00:28:45,285 --> 00:28:47,765 Speaker 1: would say to him. You know, you're going through school. 472 00:28:48,525 --> 00:28:52,965 Speaker 1: It's basically what you're doing. And I would if I 473 00:28:53,005 --> 00:28:54,724 Speaker 1: had to do it over again, I wouldn't do it 474 00:28:54,725 --> 00:28:57,325 Speaker 1: this way. But you know, nothing I'm going to like, like, 475 00:28:57,445 --> 00:28:59,724 Speaker 1: you know, it's going to like change your mind about it, 476 00:28:59,765 --> 00:29:02,325 Speaker 1: but just let you know that that when you get 477 00:29:02,325 --> 00:29:05,884 Speaker 1: to the end of the road with this bright shiny 478 00:29:05,965 --> 00:29:09,604 Speaker 1: thing that you think is so great. Jesus is waiting 479 00:29:09,645 --> 00:29:12,645 Speaker 1: for you. Amen, well said, and he'll be there. 480 00:29:13,285 --> 00:29:17,684 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's very true. I was just thinking that. 481 00:29:18,604 --> 00:29:21,844 Speaker 2: You know, the Bible says the lines have fallen in 482 00:29:21,965 --> 00:29:25,124 Speaker 2: familiar places, and I think we can look back in 483 00:29:25,205 --> 00:29:29,925 Speaker 2: our life and God can even redeem our mistakes. Beauty 484 00:29:29,965 --> 00:29:33,005 Speaker 2: can come out of ashes. And as Joseph said to 485 00:29:33,045 --> 00:29:35,684 Speaker 2: his brothers who sold him into slavery, you meant it 486 00:29:35,725 --> 00:29:37,645 Speaker 2: for evil, but God meant it for good to save 487 00:29:37,725 --> 00:29:42,844 Speaker 2: many people alive. And I interviewed Alice Cooper and he said, 488 00:29:42,885 --> 00:29:44,765 Speaker 2: you know, I think God allowed me to go through 489 00:29:44,844 --> 00:29:46,805 Speaker 2: a lot of the things I went through, which included 490 00:29:46,885 --> 00:29:53,124 Speaker 2: drug addiction, which included addiction to cocaine. And he said, 491 00:29:53,685 --> 00:29:57,005 Speaker 2: because now I can tell people that God can step 492 00:29:57,045 --> 00:29:59,565 Speaker 2: in and change you. And I think, you know, it's 493 00:29:59,565 --> 00:30:01,964 Speaker 2: a powerful testimony. We're not saying we hope you go 494 00:30:02,084 --> 00:30:03,245 Speaker 2: to this because some people go. 495 00:30:04,285 --> 00:30:07,925 Speaker 1: That's the kind of like the thing that conundrum about 496 00:30:07,965 --> 00:30:11,005 Speaker 1: it wraps itself and it's not saying you should go through. 497 00:30:10,805 --> 00:30:13,325 Speaker 2: That, because some people go and they never escape from it. 498 00:30:13,685 --> 00:30:17,165 Speaker 2: But thank God that even if you've done these things, 499 00:30:18,685 --> 00:30:22,204 Speaker 2: God gives second chances, he gives third chances, He forgives 500 00:30:22,685 --> 00:30:25,884 Speaker 2: and he can take those things that we did that 501 00:30:26,005 --> 00:30:28,805 Speaker 2: we're wrong, and we can say learn from this and 502 00:30:28,844 --> 00:30:31,285 Speaker 2: then it can become something that can be used for 503 00:30:31,365 --> 00:30:34,325 Speaker 2: God's glory. Still, yeah, and I think you've done a 504 00:30:34,365 --> 00:30:35,405 Speaker 2: beautiful job with that. 505 00:30:35,445 --> 00:30:39,525 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And also let everybody know that you know, 506 00:30:41,844 --> 00:30:46,204 Speaker 1: I'm still messing up. Yeah, we always just not like 507 00:30:46,205 --> 00:30:48,405 Speaker 1: I get to that. I always thought that I would 508 00:30:48,405 --> 00:30:51,525 Speaker 1: get to you know, be sixty or you know, or 509 00:30:52,125 --> 00:30:54,965 Speaker 1: sixty five seventy and I would know. But then again, 510 00:30:55,045 --> 00:30:59,364 Speaker 1: I'd never been sixty, sixty five or seventy. There was 511 00:30:59,405 --> 00:31:02,245 Speaker 1: just like always something new. But when there's seventy one, 512 00:31:02,365 --> 00:31:05,365 Speaker 1: all centners, we always will be here on this earth 513 00:31:05,485 --> 00:31:07,925 Speaker 1: because we have a brains and that just they lead 514 00:31:08,005 --> 00:31:10,325 Speaker 1: us down the wrong road. There. That's where Jesus comes in. 515 00:31:10,405 --> 00:31:15,164 Speaker 1: We live it. Yeah, but uh, redeemed it's free. Yeah, 516 00:31:15,285 --> 00:31:23,445 Speaker 1: but you know, still it's like searching around in the dark. 517 00:31:23,765 --> 00:31:27,205 Speaker 1: But at least for us as Christians, we could see 518 00:31:27,245 --> 00:31:29,205 Speaker 1: the light at the end of the tunnel. That's right, 519 00:31:29,565 --> 00:31:30,765 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, how old are you? 520 00:31:30,805 --> 00:31:30,924 Speaker 2: Now? 521 00:31:31,005 --> 00:31:33,925 Speaker 1: Do this? I'm going to seventy one today. Ah, I've 522 00:31:33,925 --> 00:31:37,285 Speaker 1: got two years honey. Yeah, I'll be seventy two in April. 523 00:31:37,485 --> 00:31:42,644 Speaker 2: Okay, Now, just a question unrelated to these things. What 524 00:31:42,805 --> 00:31:44,924 Speaker 2: is your favorite what's your favorite food? 525 00:31:45,885 --> 00:31:46,005 Speaker 1: Like? 526 00:31:46,005 --> 00:31:48,565 Speaker 2: What is the food you go to, like when I 527 00:31:48,685 --> 00:31:51,245 Speaker 2: want to just have a meal that I'm going to enjoy. 528 00:31:51,844 --> 00:31:56,604 Speaker 1: The way my wife Laura makes biscuits and gravy. Oh, 529 00:31:56,645 --> 00:32:00,525 Speaker 1: biscuits and gravy. Yes, that is fantastic. I love biscuits. 530 00:32:00,485 --> 00:32:02,765 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that every day for the rest of 531 00:32:02,765 --> 00:32:03,245 Speaker 1: my life. 532 00:32:03,405 --> 00:32:07,725 Speaker 2: Well, who's your favorite band or artists from Days Compire? 533 00:32:07,844 --> 00:32:10,084 Speaker 1: Maybe a couple of them, Yeah, there's always going to 534 00:32:10,165 --> 00:32:13,445 Speaker 1: be a couple of them. Yeah, from especially from the Journey, 535 00:32:13,485 --> 00:32:19,205 Speaker 1: but you know it was Elvis, the Beatles, Yeah, the Eagles. 536 00:32:19,245 --> 00:32:23,005 Speaker 1: But you know one who stands above is everybody for 537 00:32:23,084 --> 00:32:24,164 Speaker 1: me is Johnny Cash. 538 00:32:24,565 --> 00:32:27,485 Speaker 2: Johnny he was legendary. I saw the Eagles recently at 539 00:32:27,485 --> 00:32:32,525 Speaker 2: the Spirit Amazing. There's really so good, even though obviously 540 00:32:32,565 --> 00:32:36,685 Speaker 2: Glenn's gone now, yeah, but uh, you know, and he's 541 00:32:36,725 --> 00:32:38,005 Speaker 2: here man in his music. 542 00:32:38,245 --> 00:32:40,765 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you'll be doing that five hundred years from now, 543 00:32:40,805 --> 00:32:43,005 Speaker 1: to be singing those songs. 544 00:32:42,645 --> 00:32:44,765 Speaker 2: In the sphere you wouldn't even need the band there 545 00:32:44,765 --> 00:32:46,365 Speaker 2: because you're looking at all the tech. 546 00:32:46,725 --> 00:32:48,565 Speaker 1: Have you been in the spirit I have? I really 547 00:32:48,604 --> 00:32:49,805 Speaker 1: want to go see it. 548 00:32:49,805 --> 00:32:53,005 Speaker 2: It's pretty mind blowing. It's pretty mind blowing. It's okay, 549 00:32:53,084 --> 00:32:56,685 Speaker 2: favorite band the Beatles, Elvis, the Eagles, those are. 550 00:32:56,604 --> 00:32:59,645 Speaker 1: All Johnny Johnny Cash. I guess every one of your 551 00:32:59,725 --> 00:33:01,405 Speaker 1: choices by the way he's at the top. 552 00:33:01,645 --> 00:33:04,644 Speaker 2: And like movies, Okay, do you like to go to movies? 553 00:33:04,725 --> 00:33:06,205 Speaker 2: I mean, you make me movies. Do you like to 554 00:33:06,245 --> 00:33:07,245 Speaker 2: go watch movies? 555 00:33:07,685 --> 00:33:09,765 Speaker 1: Yeah, when there's a good one to go watch and 556 00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:13,485 Speaker 1: an audience can smell it. The audience could smell a 557 00:33:13,525 --> 00:33:14,685 Speaker 1: good movie. They can't. 558 00:33:14,765 --> 00:33:17,005 Speaker 2: So what would you say, Like, Okay, if you were 559 00:33:17,365 --> 00:33:20,085 Speaker 2: I don't know, stuck in the desert island, but if 560 00:33:20,125 --> 00:33:21,965 Speaker 2: you just could only have a couple of movies to 561 00:33:22,084 --> 00:33:25,884 Speaker 2: keep watching. What like, here's how I valuate my favorite movies. 562 00:33:25,885 --> 00:33:28,805 Speaker 2: If I'm watching television flipping channels that come to a 563 00:33:28,844 --> 00:33:32,605 Speaker 2: movie like Braveheart, which I love, or you. 564 00:33:32,525 --> 00:33:33,925 Speaker 1: Know, you'll just watch it. 565 00:33:34,084 --> 00:33:36,285 Speaker 2: I'll watch it even though I know it's gonna happen 566 00:33:36,485 --> 00:33:40,045 Speaker 2: right that this is one of my favorite moviest it. Yeah, 567 00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:42,285 Speaker 2: So do you what are some of the ones that Oh, man, 568 00:33:42,285 --> 00:33:43,404 Speaker 2: if I see that movie, I'm. 569 00:33:43,245 --> 00:33:45,644 Speaker 1: Gonna watch it. I think my favorite movie of all 570 00:33:45,725 --> 00:33:47,765 Speaker 1: time and I think is a perfect movie is Lawrence 571 00:33:47,765 --> 00:33:50,364 Speaker 1: of Arabia. I love that. I just watched it recently, 572 00:33:50,965 --> 00:33:53,844 Speaker 1: and that there's not a word pography, there's not a 573 00:33:53,885 --> 00:33:54,605 Speaker 1: sentence in there. 574 00:33:54,645 --> 00:34:00,285 Speaker 2: That and those ce like those landscapes and and peter otating. Yeah, 575 00:34:00,765 --> 00:34:02,565 Speaker 2: everything about it was just stunning. 576 00:34:03,525 --> 00:34:07,565 Speaker 1: Yeah, who owe you? That's really about what it's about. 577 00:34:08,685 --> 00:34:12,485 Speaker 1: And that song, that beautiful song. Yeah, that the sand Pebbles, 578 00:34:12,565 --> 00:34:15,885 Speaker 1: I mean, I love that. Steve Queen. Yeah, Steve McQueen, 579 00:34:15,965 --> 00:34:18,125 Speaker 1: that's interesting, would be your favorite. And I got to 580 00:34:18,125 --> 00:34:20,965 Speaker 1: see The Great Escape if it comes on, you know. Yeah, 581 00:34:21,925 --> 00:34:27,565 Speaker 1: And yeah, Steve McQueen was it As far as as 582 00:34:27,605 --> 00:34:31,605 Speaker 1: an actor, yes, It's like everybody wanted to be Steve McQueen. 583 00:34:31,645 --> 00:34:33,485 Speaker 1: It didn't had to be an actor that wanted. You 584 00:34:33,525 --> 00:34:35,685 Speaker 1: wanted to be Steve McQueen. Right. 585 00:34:35,805 --> 00:34:39,085 Speaker 2: Well, I was researching his life and you know that 586 00:34:39,405 --> 00:34:41,884 Speaker 2: ability McQueen would go to a script and he would 587 00:34:41,965 --> 00:34:42,925 Speaker 2: delete lines. 588 00:34:43,285 --> 00:34:46,325 Speaker 1: That's what I do, do you Yeah, I did that. 589 00:34:46,405 --> 00:34:51,005 Speaker 1: I can only imagine. Well, I deleted maybe three quarters 590 00:34:51,045 --> 00:34:52,805 Speaker 1: of my diet. What are you doing in the absence 591 00:34:52,845 --> 00:34:55,605 Speaker 1: of those things? It's like, you know, you have a 592 00:34:55,645 --> 00:35:00,125 Speaker 1: writer who sits who sits down, and you know, writing 593 00:35:00,485 --> 00:35:03,765 Speaker 1: writing the movie. You know that's all very well. But 594 00:35:03,805 --> 00:35:08,365 Speaker 1: then because you say this big long thing or whatever, 595 00:35:08,485 --> 00:35:13,005 Speaker 1: but seventy five percent of it is subtext. Yeah, I 596 00:35:13,085 --> 00:35:15,445 Speaker 1: just take it a subtext. Yeah, you know, you and 597 00:35:15,485 --> 00:35:18,485 Speaker 1: I are sitting here every conversation, but there's another conversation 598 00:35:18,645 --> 00:35:22,605 Speaker 1: going on, and you know, there's also a conversation going 599 00:35:22,645 --> 00:35:27,165 Speaker 1: on in here within myself, and it's a subtext. And 600 00:35:27,245 --> 00:35:31,965 Speaker 1: that's what makes you hear. That's why you that's why 601 00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:39,085 Speaker 1: you watch. It's what's not said that it's interesting. Yes, 602 00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:42,245 Speaker 1: otherwise just make a speech right. 603 00:35:43,045 --> 00:35:47,365 Speaker 2: Well, you know, his upbringing impacted his performances because not 604 00:35:47,485 --> 00:35:50,485 Speaker 2: having a father, growing up, his mother an alcoholic, going 605 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,165 Speaker 2: from man to man. He was sent to reform school 606 00:35:53,165 --> 00:35:55,325 Speaker 2: because he got into trouble as a young man. He 607 00:35:55,405 --> 00:35:58,925 Speaker 2: also served as a marine, but that sort of between 608 00:36:00,125 --> 00:36:02,445 Speaker 2: like he would just the camera would going for a 609 00:36:02,525 --> 00:36:05,605 Speaker 2: tight shot. He would just look at a person and 610 00:36:05,645 --> 00:36:08,965 Speaker 2: that look and like very few people could do that. 611 00:36:09,685 --> 00:36:12,125 Speaker 2: And mel Gibson pointed out, we interviewed him for a 612 00:36:12,165 --> 00:36:15,445 Speaker 2: documentary from me, he said, Steve was really good with props. 613 00:36:15,685 --> 00:36:17,845 Speaker 2: He would just take something and there's a scene we 614 00:36:17,925 --> 00:36:21,405 Speaker 2: showed it with you Brenner in The Magnificent Seven. Brenner 615 00:36:21,485 --> 00:36:24,765 Speaker 2: was technically the star of the film. M Queen was new. 616 00:36:24,925 --> 00:36:27,485 Speaker 2: He people didn't know him as well. He was playing 617 00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:31,125 Speaker 2: with something while Brenner was doing his lines. 618 00:36:31,525 --> 00:36:37,925 Speaker 1: Yeah he had the knife, yeah, knife, and then seven 619 00:36:39,565 --> 00:36:42,245 Speaker 1: Magnificent seven. Yeah, and your eyes around the queen, like, 620 00:36:42,245 --> 00:36:46,445 Speaker 1: what's he doing next? He just like in The Great Escape, 621 00:36:46,485 --> 00:36:49,325 Speaker 1: it was the baseball, Yeah, the glove throwing the ball. 622 00:36:50,605 --> 00:36:53,485 Speaker 2: He was he just so all those things that he 623 00:36:53,525 --> 00:36:57,165 Speaker 2: went to kind of contributed to this persona, but it 624 00:36:57,245 --> 00:37:00,925 Speaker 2: was a very empty persona. And he like you are 625 00:37:01,005 --> 00:37:03,845 Speaker 2: you like him? You know, went on a search. He 626 00:37:04,005 --> 00:37:05,924 Speaker 2: was being offered a lot of money just to read 627 00:37:05,925 --> 00:37:07,965 Speaker 2: a script, and he left Hollywood. 628 00:37:08,085 --> 00:37:08,805 Speaker 1: He moved away. 629 00:37:08,845 --> 00:37:11,685 Speaker 2: He had a big giant airplane hangar full of all 630 00:37:11,725 --> 00:37:15,165 Speaker 2: of his cool cars and motorcycles and a Steerman biplane 631 00:37:15,245 --> 00:37:17,925 Speaker 2: which is an antique plane which he didn't know how 632 00:37:17,965 --> 00:37:18,445 Speaker 2: to fly. 633 00:37:18,965 --> 00:37:21,844 Speaker 1: And so well he did. 634 00:37:21,965 --> 00:37:24,925 Speaker 2: And this is where his conversion came. There was a 635 00:37:24,965 --> 00:37:28,565 Speaker 2: man that there was only one guy qualified to teach 636 00:37:28,605 --> 00:37:30,525 Speaker 2: you to fly in that plane. So he called him up, 637 00:37:30,565 --> 00:37:33,205 Speaker 2: said I'm Steph Queen, and I'd like you to give 638 00:37:33,245 --> 00:37:34,285 Speaker 2: me flying lessons again. 639 00:37:34,405 --> 00:37:36,364 Speaker 1: You know he's gonna be oh step Queen, that guy 640 00:37:36,405 --> 00:37:39,645 Speaker 1: out Sena Paula. Yeah, that's right. I'm a pilot to myself. 641 00:37:39,645 --> 00:37:43,285 Speaker 1: Oh you are, Yeah, I fly jets, invitation jets. I 642 00:37:43,325 --> 00:37:46,485 Speaker 1: owned a couple of them in my life. Yeah. 643 00:37:46,525 --> 00:37:49,805 Speaker 2: So the pilot of the plane, Sammy Mason, was kind 644 00:37:49,805 --> 00:37:53,045 Speaker 2: of assault of the earth guy, not impressed by celebrity, 645 00:37:53,525 --> 00:37:56,805 Speaker 2: and he'd give fly Steve that's spent hours in the cockpit. 646 00:37:56,845 --> 00:37:59,765 Speaker 2: And they started talking about life and Steve said, Sammy, 647 00:37:59,805 --> 00:38:03,365 Speaker 2: there's something about you that you have this inner piece. 648 00:38:03,445 --> 00:38:03,925 Speaker 1: What is it? 649 00:38:03,965 --> 00:38:07,404 Speaker 2: And Sammy said, Steve, it's cheez is Christ. And so 650 00:38:07,485 --> 00:38:11,685 Speaker 2: Steve ended up in church with Sammy and sitting up 651 00:38:11,685 --> 00:38:15,245 Speaker 2: in the balcony and Pastor Leonard Dewett, who I met 652 00:38:15,285 --> 00:38:19,364 Speaker 2: and interviewed, wonderful man, faithfully preached the gospel. People said Steve, 653 00:38:19,405 --> 00:38:21,565 Speaker 2: a queen's in the church, goes just leave them alone. 654 00:38:21,885 --> 00:38:25,445 Speaker 2: Don't bother him, leave them alone. And one day Sammy said, 655 00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:28,565 Speaker 2: now sam excuse me. Leonard said, I was talking to 656 00:38:28,605 --> 00:38:31,085 Speaker 2: some people and some in standing behind me had turned 657 00:38:31,125 --> 00:38:34,765 Speaker 2: around and it's Steve and he says, hello, Sammy, Hello pastor. 658 00:38:34,805 --> 00:38:37,445 Speaker 2: Well hello Steve, nice to meet you. I'd like to 659 00:38:37,445 --> 00:38:39,765 Speaker 2: go out and have a meal with you. 660 00:38:39,885 --> 00:38:40,165 Speaker 1: Sure. 661 00:38:40,605 --> 00:38:42,525 Speaker 2: So they got and they sit down. He says, he's 662 00:38:42,685 --> 00:38:45,565 Speaker 2: looking at me, and he started peppering me with all 663 00:38:45,605 --> 00:38:49,325 Speaker 2: these questions, all these questions, and he said, I answered 664 00:38:49,605 --> 00:38:52,125 Speaker 2: to the best of my ability. And Steve said, well, 665 00:38:52,125 --> 00:38:55,805 Speaker 2: that's good, that's good. I'm satisfied. And I and by 666 00:38:55,805 --> 00:38:58,364 Speaker 2: the way, I prayed with you a few weeks ago 667 00:38:58,525 --> 00:39:01,844 Speaker 2: when you let a prayer, and I've accepted Christ. And 668 00:39:01,925 --> 00:39:05,885 Speaker 2: so that's how it happened. And then Steve began growing. 669 00:39:05,925 --> 00:39:09,005 Speaker 2: Semi said Steve wanted to be an usher in the church, 670 00:39:09,325 --> 00:39:11,404 Speaker 2: and that how hilarious, said be you're sitting in church 671 00:39:11,605 --> 00:39:14,485 Speaker 2: in the usher Hanjie the offering plate, and it's Steve 672 00:39:14,565 --> 00:39:17,125 Speaker 2: with Queen. But he just started growing like any Christian 673 00:39:17,165 --> 00:39:20,884 Speaker 2: would grow, reading the Bible. His life was changed. But 674 00:39:20,925 --> 00:39:25,884 Speaker 2: then tragically, maybe six months after he got cancer, but 675 00:39:25,925 --> 00:39:27,325 Speaker 2: then his faith even grew more. 676 00:39:27,565 --> 00:39:30,765 Speaker 1: Before this was not a deathbed conversion. 677 00:39:30,845 --> 00:39:33,765 Speaker 2: People think it is, but Steve came to Christ when 678 00:39:33,765 --> 00:39:36,525 Speaker 2: he was at the peak of his powers as an 679 00:39:36,525 --> 00:39:40,925 Speaker 2: actor in his successful career. He came to Jesus. But 680 00:39:41,005 --> 00:39:44,005 Speaker 2: then a number of months later he got cancer, but 681 00:39:44,125 --> 00:39:47,005 Speaker 2: he had the faith to face it well then this Thanks. 682 00:39:46,765 --> 00:39:48,844 Speaker 1: So much for your time. Thank you, pleasure to talk 683 00:39:48,885 --> 00:39:49,725 Speaker 1: to you.