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Speaker 1: Apple iTunes and Hillsdale Laurian Evening Grace America. On this

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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve eve, I'm here at the big headline of

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Speaker 1: the day, of course, four point three percent GDP growth

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Speaker 1: in the third quarter of this year. Trump Onomics is

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Speaker 1: back and the country is indeed booming. Four percent growth

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Speaker 1: is really really good. Nobody saw that coming. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: with David Bonson, who I had scheduled for other reasons

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Speaker 1: about that number. In hour number two today I got

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Speaker 1: doctor Michael Laurin from Israel. An hour three I got Eilake,

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Speaker 1: Admiral Mark Montgomery, David Drucker. But I want to start

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Speaker 1: by doing two things. I'm going to beat up on

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Governor Tim Wallson just a minute, big target there,

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Speaker 1: and on the DFL and on the state government of

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Speaker 1: Minnesota cold and maybe Chad Dale, maybe everybody in Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Cold the Northern Alliance of Bloggers. I know you're up there, Mitch.

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Speaker 1: I know you're still at it. I've been on AM

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Speaker 1: twelve eighty The Patriot for twenty five years, so I

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Speaker 1: know my way around the Gopher State. But first I

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Speaker 1: got to settle a dispute. A lot of people online

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Speaker 1: have been saying if Andrew Breitbart was alive, he would

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Speaker 1: say acts I knew Andrew. Andrew was a friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: I worked with Andrew Breitbart. He would come to the studio,

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Speaker 1: he would bring along people that work for him. People, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you about them, and in just a moment

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Speaker 1: and so Andrew. I was really quite pleased when the

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Speaker 1: last Seapack he was able to attend before the tragic

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Speaker 1: end of his life occurred. Cut number two. Andrew Breitbart

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Speaker 2: Why do you retweet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why do you do that?

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you how.

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Speaker 4: Many people I admire, And in fact, there's almost no

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Speaker 4: one in the world who I respect more than you, Hewitt.

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Speaker 5: And he took me aside the.

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Speaker 4: Other day, and I don't think you should be doing that, Andrew,

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Speaker 4: I don't think you should be doing that. Well, Professor

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Speaker 4: Hewitt on this issue, I disagree because they'd held over.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know Andrew and I would

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Speaker 1: talk about stuff because we have different approaches, but he would. Boy,

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Speaker 1: he had my back during swift Boat and John Carey's

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Speaker 1: Magic Hat. And Andrew was a good man and a genius. Actually,

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Speaker 1: So when I hear people say Andrew would have thought,

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Speaker 1: I don't fill in that blank because I didn't know

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Speaker 1: him that well. But I'll tell you who did. The

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Speaker 1: three people you listen to on that hate to say it,

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Speaker 1: Larry O'Connor, hate to say it, Curg Schlickter, I really

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Speaker 1: don't hate to say it. For k Kurt's telling in

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Speaker 1: for me after Christmas for a few days so I

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Speaker 1: can get back to the West Coast. And Dana Loch,

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Speaker 1: who I don't know very well, but Dana has the goods.

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Speaker 1: Those three worked with Andrew knew Andrew. Larry would come

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Speaker 1: with Andrew to the studio, and Andrew would appear on

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Speaker 1: my program back when he was getting Breitbart started. Those

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Speaker 1: here next week and Larry will probably call in. O'Connor

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Speaker 1: is always muscling his way into my turf. He's always

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Speaker 1: stealing my idea least like the worst comic in the

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Speaker 1: comic room, always taking your bits. But I love Larry

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Speaker 1: And if those three tell you that Andrew Breitbart would

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Speaker 1: have thought X, you can take it to the bank. Now,

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Speaker 1: minnesot cult, everybody knows I love my minnesot Coldians. You

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Speaker 1: know that love me some state fair Well, I got

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Speaker 1: a call. I'm a Fox News contributor and when there's

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Speaker 1: a story that they need someone to bone up on,

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Speaker 1: they usually will give me a call. And so the

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Speaker 1: story is Minnesota fraud. And I said, yeah, I can

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Speaker 1: I do that? Give me a couple hours and went

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Speaker 1: to work on it, and what I found was pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was big, I knew it was ugly.

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Speaker 1: I went on America Reports with Molly earlier today. Cut

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Speaker 1: number one is my conversation with Molly Line from a

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Speaker 6: Hewitt is a Fox News contributor and the host of

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Speaker 6: The Hugh Hewite Show. And Sarah, thank you for joining

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Speaker 6: us giving us your time in this holiday week. We

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Speaker 6: greatly appreciate it. I want to check my point right

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Speaker 6: away with getting into this letter that was sent by

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Speaker 6: these mayors who are very concerned really about their own

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Speaker 6: Here's just one quote from this letter. Fraud, unschecked spending

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Speaker 6: and inconsistent fiscal management in Saint Paul had trickled down

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Speaker 6: local taxpayers. The mayors are saying, Look, this is trouble

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Speaker 6: not just for the whole state, but for all of

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Speaker 6: these individual communities, cities across the entirety of Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, well, they are a very active group of mayors.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is a good government, progressive state, and the out

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Speaker 1: country away from the Twin Cities is very dep bread,

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Speaker 1: but the Twin Cities are very deep blue. This fraud

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Speaker 1: is coming out of the state government, which has been

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Speaker 1: run by Democratic governor for fifteen consecutive years, Tim Walls

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Speaker 1: for the last seven and they did a reorg of

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Speaker 1: all their social service agencies in May of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: They split the Department of Human Services into three different agencies,

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Speaker 1: obviously none of them devoted to finding or corruption or

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Speaker 1: ferreting it out and watching Governor Walt dance. Since he

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Speaker 1: first started to get questions about this story has been

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Speaker 1: amusing because it's the old it's not my dog, it

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Speaker 1: didn't bite you, besides you kicked it first. And every

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Speaker 1: time it's really a different excuse every time it goes

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Speaker 1: in front of the camera. It was COVID. We had

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Speaker 1: no guardrails, we lacked a toolkit. President Trump is exaggerating.

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Speaker 1: The acting US Attorney, who's, by the way, a career

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Speaker 1: federal prosecutor until October, is making it worse than it

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Speaker 1: really is. We're going to fix it. Just don't believe them.

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Speaker 1: Pay no attention right now. It's a story that is

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Speaker 1: growing faster. And this will be for your older audience.

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Speaker 1: They'll get the reference. Then the Blob and Steve McQueen's

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Speaker 1: breakout movie in nineteen fifty eight. It was the Amiba

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Speaker 1: from outer space that just kept getting bigger and bigger

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Speaker 1: and bigger. It's it's really remarkable that Tim Walls is

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Speaker 6: Well, I I let's talk about that let's talk about

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Speaker 6: what this means potentially for Tim Walls and the entire administration.

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Speaker 6: As you noted, there have been some recent election victories

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Speaker 6: in the last two election cycles in particular, that are

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Speaker 6: notable across the country. But my husband's family has this quote,

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Speaker 6: vote out incumbents, let somebody else steal your money. Are

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Speaker 6: the incumbents that are there in Minnesota? Will they face

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Speaker 6: repercussions like this? I know it's a great quote, right,

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Speaker 6: Will they face repercussions?

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Speaker 7: Is the electorate just.

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Speaker 2: Leaning blue? Leaning left?

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Speaker 6: And they'll stay put despite what is an unfolding, massive

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Speaker 1: I have been on the air in Twin Cities for

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Speaker 1: twenty five years. I know it well. I can go

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Speaker 1: to the Minnesota State Fair occasionally. They're wonderful people. They

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Speaker 1: are Minnesota nice. People make fun of them because it's Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Coled the Vikings always managed to lose the big game,

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Speaker 1: but people like it's Minnesota nice. But that doesn't make

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Speaker 1: that's a very high trust environment. If you bring in

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Speaker 1: a dedicated group of fraudsters, they will just bring in

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Speaker 1: their friends, They'll bring in their cousins, They'll bring in everyone.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to limit to the Somali community

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Speaker 1: that because I don't think it is just a smalli community.

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Speaker 1: When you get up to nine billion, that's the high end,

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Speaker 1: not the low end. When you get up to those

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Speaker 1: kinds of numbers, you're calling everybody you know. You're getting

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Speaker 1: the Nigerian Prince sending you emails asking for your money,

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Speaker 1: and you're sending the Nigerian prints the money. So Tim Walls,

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Speaker 1: who has been governor for seven years, we all saw

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Speaker 1: him last year up close and personal. He doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like he's the world's sharpest tool. And we've got to

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Speaker 1: wonder whether or not Minnesota's going to say, bring back

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Speaker 1: a Tim plenty kind of governor. He was the last

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Speaker 1: beginning of twenty eleven, and since then it's been Mark

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Speaker 1: Dating then Tim Walls. It's been a mess. It's a

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Speaker 1: disaster and it's not going to get better until they

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Speaker 1: vote out the incumbents. I love your family's cloak though.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty fun.

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Speaker 8: Well, I love talking to you, Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 2: That was great.

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Speaker 6: It was great to get kind of a local insider, really,

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Speaker 6: somebody that knows the state and understands what's going on there.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to get a lot of Molly. Line's

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Speaker 1: going to get it. He doesn't know anything about us.

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Speaker 1: He got lost on Lake Minnetonka in a snowstorm, which

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Speaker 1: is true. And I got a thousand Minnesota story. But

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Speaker 1: I know the layout of the Minnesota State Fair, and

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Speaker 1: I know Minnesota. It's a high trust environment. Those people

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Speaker 1: are so like, oh, you need a million dollars, or

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Speaker 1: let me give it to you in a hot dish,

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Speaker 1: and there you go. You got it. But when I

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Speaker 1: said about Tim Wall dancing, well, they had told me

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Speaker 1: my research. Don't go on TV or unless you're prepared

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Speaker 1: to talk about his story, don't wing it. And I

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Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. And then I asked Dwayne to go

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Speaker 1: line them up. So here we go. Cut number three,

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Speaker 1: Tim Wall, who's he blaming here? Oh?

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Speaker 9: I think there's more.

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Speaker 10: And look, we've got organized crime ring in Minnesota. I

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Speaker 10: think has been going on for years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cut number four.

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Speaker 10: Look right now, it's very clear the entire federal government

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Speaker 10: is weaponized against Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's the federal government. Cut number five.

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Speaker 10: And this is what happens when you have a floundering presidency,

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Speaker 10: and it is about those ballrooms and everything else. Now

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Speaker 10: we're back on transgender folks, and these are healthcare providers

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Speaker 10: providing the best guidance to parents and children to get there.

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Speaker 1: So it's actually the floundering president with four point three

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Speaker 1: percent GDP. Cut number six.

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Speaker 10: Minnesota is a generous state. Minnesota is a prosperous states,

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Speaker 10: a well run state. Were triple A bond rated, but

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Speaker 10: that attracts criminals.

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Speaker 1: Jeri state or jerifs state. Cut number seven.

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Speaker 10: President has cut a lot of inspector generals. He's cut

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Speaker 10: programs that could help us take tackle us on.

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Speaker 1: So we are inspector general's have nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 1: Zero nothing the inspector general. I've got a whole long web.

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Speaker 1: But we'll just do two more. Cut number eight.

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Speaker 10: That's Donald Trump deflect, demonizes, come up with no solutions.

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Speaker 10: He's not going to help fix anything. On fraud, my god,

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Speaker 10: there's a big difference between fraud and corruption and corruption going.

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Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how long this goes. For it,

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Speaker 1: I'll I'll wave cut number nine because it's one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite Tim Walls has got more excuses than you

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Speaker 1: have fingers and toes for nine billion dollars of fraud

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Speaker 1: on his watch. He should not run for reelection. He

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Speaker 1: ought really to resign. But if he runs, you've got

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Speaker 1: to beat him, because really, this is a staggering amount

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Speaker 1: of money that has been stolen from a state that

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Speaker 1: just isn't that big. I mean, California, maybe you can

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Speaker 1: lose nine billion dollars, but Minnesota, Minnesota, that's a lot

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Speaker 11: Show, a welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Drew Hewett. When we went to break, i'd only

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Speaker 1: given you six of the excuses for the massive fraud

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Speaker 1: sure you'll hear all of Tim Waals's excuses for up

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Speaker 10: This is what happens when your own federal government wages

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Speaker 9: This is what.

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Speaker 1: I hope that it's the white supremacy excuse. That's a

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Speaker 9: And so would I have wanted to stop this?

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Speaker 10: You know, if you think the governor goes out and

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Speaker 10: They're going to continue to come up with numbers that

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Speaker 9: It's not law bud ex citizens. That would be the case.

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Speaker 9: So I think it's really important for us to know each.

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Speaker 12: Each community's got this in their own Lissy to blame

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Speaker 1: Everybody does it. That's basically everybody does it. Every community's

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Speaker 12: You would hope that it's being thoughtful of that home,

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Speaker 1: That's how we got into it. Blaming the Somali community

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Speaker 9: All this work is being done.

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump brought this to the attention like this is

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Speaker 1: It's Donald Trump's fault from making it white hot. We

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Speaker 10: I think it's an unfortunate situation. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: COVID. That's the ticket, COVID one more. Cutt number nineteen.

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Speaker 12: And look, I have to assess this too. I understand

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Speaker 12: when I seek up it brings Donald Trump's petty vindictiveness

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Speaker 9: He didn't know anything about this. He doesn't know how

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Speaker 1: This whole story is Jess, Donald Trump's fault. Just so

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Speaker 14: Don't kill us.

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Speaker 2: You know I love your baby.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't leave him.

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Speaker 1: You would train me, he didn't, honest.

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Speaker 15: I had a flat tire, I didn't have enough money

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Speaker 1: I don't freak him in from out of town. Someone

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Speaker 1: But I have a couple of Minnesotans calling in and

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Speaker 1: they're both named Sven. Really, I'm not making this up

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Speaker 3: I'm in good called Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: No good is good good? And have you defrauded your

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: I'm one of those honest ex Lutherans. If I were

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Speaker 1: But no more. What are you making your governor? He's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of reasons to blame other people here? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to see him at daily dose of

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Speaker 1: You got to get him a hot dish. But I'm

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Speaker 1: Are you embarrassed?

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Speaker 3: Thoroughly embarrassed. We have a guy named Elliott Engen, another Norwegian,

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Speaker 3: He says it's fourteen point nine billion.

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Speaker 1: First of all, don't you question the sanity of anyone

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Speaker 3: That he's a Norwegian.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe he's a stoic. But I looked up the

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Speaker 1: Department of Human Services before they reorganized it, when it

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't want fourteen point nine.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen point nine. I would not want that job. What's

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Speaker 3: be great to have on your show. Of Brad Carlson.

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Speaker 1: I know Brad. Brad's one not one of the original

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Speaker 1: You know we can't have Mitch anywhere nearest because he

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Speaker 3: Can I say one of the things, Oh well.

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Speaker 1: It's not good about power line.

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Speaker 3: For example, it gets worse. I just got a little

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Speaker 1: And they don't understand Minnesota. People can leave. North Dakota

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Speaker 1: go west, young man, all right, just go west. Let

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Speaker 1: Of the Now you're really named then.

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Speaker 16: Excuse me? No, you really name James. No, my name

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Speaker 16: has changed. So I don't get reparations for or have

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Speaker 1: Oh witn't. We wouldn't. No one would ever, No one

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Speaker 1: who stay on the line, not span. Everybody always plays

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Speaker 1: this trick on me. They're very mean. Actually in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: I've been there, so Off and Jay Larson get to work.

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Speaker 1: If I had the board, I would play that, but

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Speaker 1: at the Roofless Podcast by the way, funniest edition ever

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Speaker 1: all going to be mad at David Director if you're

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Speaker 1: watching on the Salem News Channel, because David is looking

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Speaker 1: All right, So I want your take on the TPUSA Lollapaloosa.

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Speaker 1: And they're the three that I know knew Andrew the best,

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Speaker 1: and I knew Andrew pretty well. But what'd you make

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Speaker 1: of that old thing?

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Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm not really sure what to make

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Speaker 17: I mean, on the one hand, turning point, USA, with

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Speaker 17: these events features you know, really sort of and I

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Speaker 17: mean this in a you know, I don't mean this

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Speaker 17: in a negative way, right, but they feature normal, sort

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Speaker 17: then they feature some people that are just bonkers, right.

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Speaker 17: I mean, you know, if you want to argue, if

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Speaker 17: you want to argue that Israeli policy or things the

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Speaker 17: Israeli government is doing is wrong, then you should argue

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Speaker 17: that if you want to argue against the Israeli US Alliance.

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Speaker 17: It's not that it's bonkers, but it's an interesting position

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Speaker 17: to take.

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Speaker 1: You know what's bonkering, David and I can prove it.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing this show for twenty five years, and

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Speaker 1: the moment anyone brings up the USS liberty, We hang

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Speaker 1: up on them because that's nuttery, right, that's just absolute nuttery.

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Speaker 1: I mean they did, yes, the entirely hit an American

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Speaker 1: ship by mistake, and many Americans died and it was

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Speaker 1: unfortunate ally on ally that happens like when we kill

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Speaker 1: Long War. When someone brings up the liberty, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: they're just bringing up the Jews. They want to blame

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Speaker 1: the Jews.

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Speaker 17: It's crazy, right, And I think an organization and an event,

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Speaker 17: an organization like tp USA and the events that they hold,

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Speaker 17: should just disinvite people who traffic in anti Semitism or

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Speaker 17: put a spotlight on anti Semites. And I don't see

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Speaker 17: why that's so hard and wouldn't.

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Speaker 7: Hurt the organization.

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Speaker 1: And you don't even have to say that you're doing that.

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Speaker 1: You can just not invite them, right right.

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Speaker 7: But they won't do that, and it's just the way

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Speaker 17: And so it doesn't mean that I won't be covering it.

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Speaker 17: It's a very important organization and I will be covering

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Speaker 17: all the things they do, and not everything they do

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Speaker 17: is about that, but in terms of its place in

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Speaker 17: the conservative movement as it's a very interesting place because

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Speaker 17: of the diverse array of voices that they invite.

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Speaker 9: It's just that.

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Speaker 17: Diverse array a sort of whitewashing term, because it's not

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Speaker 17: that they're featuring big government populist conservatives and small government

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Speaker 7: They have all of that, but.

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Speaker 17: They also have people who, you know, as you said,

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Speaker 17: go after the Jews, and they do it pretty unapologetically,

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Speaker 17: and they should be disinvited and not included.

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Speaker 1: Now, I also have a very good friend who I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you know as well, just a very politically savvy

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Speaker 1: question and the voice, do you think TPUSA lasts? And

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Speaker 1: I said absolutely. I think it's a get out the

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Speaker 1: vote machine and that it has replaced College Republicans which

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Speaker 1: fell into sort of disrepair over the last ten to

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. Though there are some good chapters here and there.

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Speaker 1: So I think TPUSA survives and thrives if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: drive Thelma and Luis style over the cliff.

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Speaker 17: You agree with me on that, well, yes, And I

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Speaker 17: would say, I mean I think it's look, it's very

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Speaker 17: well funded, it's very organized, there are a lot of

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Speaker 17: skilled people there, and so I think for the foreseeable

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Speaker 17: future they are going to be a major force in

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Speaker 17: Republican politics.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 17: I think the question is do they remain as broadly

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Speaker 17: respected and influential as they were with Charlie Kirk at

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Speaker 17: the Helm.

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Speaker 7: He was a unique individual, uniquely.

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Speaker 17: Admired by both conservative populaces and Reagan era conservatives, and

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Speaker 17: it's hard to replace that. And so it's going to

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Speaker 17: be up to the new leadership to try and do

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Speaker 17: things that they might not have had to do with

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Speaker 17: Kirk at the Helm. Kirk at the Helm was the

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Speaker 17: seal of approval that even if you didn't agree with

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Speaker 17: everything they were doing or all of the people that

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Speaker 17: they associated with, that ultimately they were going to be

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Speaker 17: on the right side of every moral question and they

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Speaker 17: were going to do the right thing. I think the

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Speaker 17: new leadership is just going to have to work harder

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Speaker 17: to make people feel at ease and as comfortable as

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Speaker 17: Charlie Kirk was able to do.

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Speaker 1: You see, if it was the third iteration from what

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Speaker 1: Jerry Follwell called the Mall majority in the eighty and

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Speaker 1: then Ralph Reid, the Christian Alliance and Charlie Kirk was

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Speaker 1: building TPUSA across the Judeo Christian lines and sort of

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Speaker 1: mainstream solid conservatism of the sort that Mike Pence would

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Speaker 1: be comfortable with. But they just they got to be

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Speaker 1: careful of their brand. Now here's a very practical question.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would bet Ted Cruz is going to

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Speaker 1: run for president. Does he feel as welcome at TPUSA

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Speaker 1: this week as he would have two weeks ago.

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Speaker 17: I don't think so. No, I mean, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 17: he won't go. I think Look, look, Ben Shapiro is

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Speaker 17: a good.

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Speaker 7: Standing for that question. On the one hand, he.

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Speaker 17: Was invited and given a prominent spot on the stage

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Speaker 17: and prominent speaking time, and so it's a credit to

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Speaker 17: Turning Point USA that they that they did all of

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Speaker 17: that right. But in the same way, a lot of

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Speaker 17: what he said was applauded. A lot of the speakers

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Speaker 17: before and after him that were saying the opposite of

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Speaker 17: what he was saying, we're also applauded, and we're also

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Speaker 17: comfortable there. And I think in particular because Turning Point

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Speaker 17: USA is very favorable to the Vice President Jade Vance,

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Speaker 17: I think Turning Point USA might be a little bit

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Speaker 17: more hostile to cruise. But that is more normal politics

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Speaker 17: and that has nothing to do with this other part

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Speaker 17: of the discussion.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to build out the replacement for

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Speaker 1: the college Republicans, but it's actually this millennium branded and operative,

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Speaker 1: you don't close the doors to anyone who's on mainstream

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Speaker 1: conservative Republican like doctor Tom from the old days in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: David M. Drucker, Thank you, my friend. Have a great

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Speaker 1: start to the new year. Paul Moon exit, David M. Druckcker.

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Speaker 1: And again the Dispatch. Great Christmas gift they dune.

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Speaker 9: Wow, we're head at home.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hour two. I'm joined by David bonson

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Speaker 1: this hour. David is the founder and CEO of the

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Speaker 1: Bonson Group, an investment advice refirm. He is also the

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Speaker 1: host of the Dividend Cafe. He is a great writer.

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Speaker 1: He's written a lot of books on working and I

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Speaker 1: asked him weeks ago to do this segment on sort

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Speaker 1: of financial planning for smart people before the GDP number

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Speaker 1: came in at four point three percent for the third

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Speaker 1: quarter day. But I'll sneak in one quick question on that, David,

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Speaker 1: are you surprised by that number?

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Speaker 15: I'm not really surprised to you, because I think that

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Speaker 15: there has been a quarter by quarter volatility, a lumpiness

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Speaker 15: on those import expert numbers all year. The consumer side,

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Speaker 15: for me, I'm never surprised by That's where the strength

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Speaker 15: of this report was, and I've been aware for my

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Speaker 15: whole adult life that Americans love to spend money. The

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Speaker 15: issue for me will be whether or not the business

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Speaker 15: investment side hangs in there next year because that was

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Speaker 15: where the weakness in this report was, and that as

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Speaker 15: a supply sider, that's where I believe future economic growth

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Speaker 15: watching in twenty twenty six. It's what you call non

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Speaker 15: residential fixed investment.

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Speaker 1: Non residential fixed investment, right. I want to tell people

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Speaker 1: that they need to listen to the dividend Cafe this

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Speaker 1: week when you went through twenty five years of volatility.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line, if you put a million dollars in the

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Speaker 1: market in two thousand, it would be worth seven million

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Speaker 1: dollars today, and that is such a slap in the face.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted people to understand that good investing throughout

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Speaker 1: a lot of voluntility. If you do it smart the

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Speaker 1: way David's group has, you do it. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: a client of David, and David is not a client

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Speaker 1: of mine. I just think he's remarkably responsible and level headed,

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Speaker 1: to which I will add, so I'm going to ask

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Speaker 1: you for the essentials of sound investing. I want to

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Speaker 1: add as well the very sad news today Senator Ben SaaS.

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Speaker 1: Former Senator SaaS posted the unfortunate news that he has

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Speaker 1: been diagnosed with stage four pancretic cancer and that it's

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Speaker 1: very unlikely he's around for much longer, though he will

656
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Speaker 1: fight the good fight and he's got great faith in

657
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Speaker 1: the Lord and his family is doing okay. But it

658
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Speaker 1: puts the line underneath the need to be prudent and

659
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Speaker 1: fiscally responsible for your family. Having said that, David, what

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Speaker 1: goes into good financial planning as people come to year

661
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Speaker 1: end and think about their new year's commitments to the

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Speaker 1: market and their money.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'll echo your comments on Ben. He's a dear friend.

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Speaker 15: I've never had an elected official I had a closer

665
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Speaker 15: relationship with Wow, nor one I've.

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Speaker 2: Got higher of. Ben is as good as they come.

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Speaker 15: And it's absolutely devastating news and our thoughts and prayers

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Speaker 15: for his family.

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Speaker 2: And I'll leave it there because I won't be able

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Speaker 2: to keep going.

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Speaker 15: The question you ask is a very important one, and

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Speaker 15: it starts before people go into what should I do

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Speaker 15: in the final week or two of a year? Is

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Speaker 15: the bigger question to take a step back from a

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Speaker 15: high level and say what are the key ingredients for

676
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Speaker 15: financial planning and financial organization to begin with? And I

677
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Speaker 15: always say that you have to first define the goals

678
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Speaker 15: and then planning is finding the solutions that match those goals,

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Speaker 15: and I don't think enough people do that. You know,

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Speaker 15: start with just what are we trying to solve for.

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Speaker 15: You can have somebody with twenty million dollars who has

682
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Speaker 15: a real problem in their financial planning, and you can

683
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Speaker 15: have someone with three hundred thousand dollars that has all

684
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Speaker 15: their stuff buttoned up, because different resources lead to different

685
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Speaker 15: needs and things to be solved for. The Portfolio allocation

686
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Speaker 15: is a big part of it, but it's not the

687
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Speaker 15: only one. The tax efficiency, the estate planning, how do

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Speaker 15: people want to transfer assets. Sometimes there's mixed marriages and

689
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Speaker 15: step kids and other things in life that complicate things,

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Speaker 15: and so there's a lot of you know, dimensions to

691
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Speaker 15: this vie, but it starts with just solving for what

692
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Speaker 15: your short term, mid and long term goals are. And

693
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Speaker 15: most financial planning in America revolves around the long term

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Speaker 15: goal of future income streams that can outlive somebody. And

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Speaker 15: I know we want people living good, long, healthy lives

696
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Speaker 15: and therefore, if they're going to have a period of

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Speaker 15: time without incoming income, they need that future income. And look,

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Speaker 15: I make the comment in Dividing Cafe because it's mathematically

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Speaker 15: accurate that for this crazy twenty five years to start

700
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Speaker 15: off this entry we've had that people have made seven

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Speaker 15: and a half times their money if they just started

702
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Speaker 15: in the SMP.

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Speaker 2: And woke up today.

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Speaker 15: And my goal in pointing that out is not to

705
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Speaker 15: tell people go put one hundred percent of your money

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Speaker 15: in the SMP. I don't recommend that, and people could

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Speaker 15: have done a lot better than that doing other things.

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Speaker 15: But the point being you at your age, me at

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Speaker 15: my age, other people with different resources, their portfolio should

710
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Speaker 15: look different because everybody has a different risk, appetite, different goals.

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Speaker 2: So I think that go ahead here. I'm sorry, I

712
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Speaker 2: haven't going on.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure you get a lot of

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Speaker 1: runway here. I want you to answer the question who

715
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Speaker 1: needs a financial planner? And I have no dog in

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Speaker 1: this fight. I'm all set, my kids are all set.

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Speaker 1: As I said, I'm not David's client, but I trust David.

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Speaker 1: I've known him for I don't know twenty five thirty

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Speaker 1: years and he does very well by his clients. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not one of them. But I thought he'd be

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Speaker 1: really good because you good on air and answering who

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Speaker 1: needs a financial planner? And how do you find.

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Speaker 15: One well, And that's the thing is that there's different

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Speaker 15: financial planners that accommodate different needs of the market. You know,

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Speaker 15: my firm tends to deal with with a wealthier people,

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Speaker 15: and I think sometimes that there's a financial planner needed

727
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Speaker 15: for a college graduate who doesn't even have assets to

728
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Speaker 15: manage yet, but they're trying to figure out how to

729
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Speaker 15: reduce credit card debt, or how to reduce student loan debt,

730
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Speaker 15: or how with this new job they have.

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Speaker 2: To accumulate their FO one K assets.

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Speaker 15: So I don't know anyone who doesn't need some financial

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Speaker 15: planning or guidance. But the needs are going to be different,

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Speaker 15: and different types of firms exist to meet different types

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Speaker 15: of the market.

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Speaker 2: But once someone does have.

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Speaker 15: Assets, the answer is pretty much one hundred percent of

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Speaker 15: people who are going to need some guidance or some

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Speaker 15: organization around the accumulation, preservation and transfer of those assets.

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Speaker 2: Those resources you.

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Speaker 15: Start adding in things like marriages, estate planning, children, step children,

742
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Speaker 15: you know, caring for aging parents. A lot of complexity

743
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Speaker 15: can enter the picture, and much like the legal profession

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Speaker 15: where you've spent so much your career, there's different elements

745
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Speaker 15: of advice that are going to be tailored to different

746
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Speaker 15: people depending on their need, and I think finance is

747
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Speaker 15: very similar now.

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Speaker 1: It is my experience that the biggest impediment to people

749
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Speaker 1: is they don't want to what we call the open

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Speaker 1: kimono a lawyer that I always tell my clients when

751
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Speaker 1: I used to practice, I got to know everything. I

752
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Speaker 1: can't help you. You can't hide the ball on this

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Speaker 1: and expect me to give you the right advice on

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Speaker 1: a land use issue. Do you get people who come

755
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Speaker 1: into the Bondson group and don't tell you the full

756
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Speaker 1: story so that you don't know actually what you're advising

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Speaker 1: them on.

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Speaker 2: It happened much more earlier in my career.

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Speaker 15: I've gotten better over the years and not allowing it

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Speaker 15: to happen. And you know, we now have a larger,

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Speaker 15: more sophisticated firm. I have ninety one people that work

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Speaker 15: for me, and we're managing eight and a half billion dollars,

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Speaker 15: and so we have the ability to kind of know

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Speaker 15: the whole picture. But to the extent that somebody always

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Speaker 15: can hide some part of the ball or just not

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Speaker 15: tell you certain elements, it can definitely happen, but it is.

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Speaker 2: Only hurting them. And what we always.

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Speaker 15: Say is we're not here to get all this information

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Speaker 15: for any other reason than to give you the best

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Speaker 15: possible advice. And I have no doubt it's true in

771
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Speaker 15: any other element of the legal advisory or business consulting,

772
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Speaker 15: what have you, that information becomes very necessary to have context,

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Speaker 15: to have the right nuances, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it can.

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Speaker 15: Happen, but I think that a lot of times people

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Speaker 15: believe that if they disclose everything, then someone's going to

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Speaker 15: try to sell.

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Speaker 2: Them more things.

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Speaker 15: And that's why I recommend that no matter what financial

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Speaker 15: planner or wealth advisory relationship you're working with, you're not

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Speaker 15: working with someone who has products to sell you that

782
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Speaker 15: they're working on a fee for advice because you need

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Speaker 15: them to be aligned with you, eliminating that conflict of interest.

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Speaker 2: So it's what we refer to as a legal fiduciary.

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Speaker 15: Not everyone giving financial advice is operating as a fiduciary.

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Speaker 15: My firm does, and plenty of other good firms out

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Speaker 15: there do. But people are right to be skeptical if

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Speaker 15: they're worried they're going to get sold something.

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Speaker 1: So what questions we got out to My and David

790
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Speaker 1: will probably do this in the new year as well?

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Speaker 1: What questions should people ask and their first sit down

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Speaker 1: with a financial advisor about whether or not they're going

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Speaker 1: to hire them. What should they ask them?

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Speaker 15: You know, I think that some of the early questions

795
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Speaker 15: have to be very probing, relational type questions. You can

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Speaker 15: ask someone what were you up this year? Or how

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Speaker 15: did your portfolio do last year? Those things, but ultimately

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Speaker 15: getting the real short term performance side.

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Speaker 2: First of all, if they answer that.

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Speaker 15: Might be a good trick question because I wouldn't work

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Speaker 15: with anyone who even answered it. Why how can they

802
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Speaker 15: tell you how they would have done for you before

803
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Speaker 15: they know you? So telling mister Jones how they did

804
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Speaker 15: for missus Smith is an irrelevant question.

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Speaker 2: But I think you want to ask questions that help get.

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Speaker 15: To know them as a person because so much of

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Speaker 15: this is trust, and you want to know what their

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Speaker 15: values are. Are you aligned, how do you see the world,

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Speaker 15: their work ethic? You know, when you a financial advisor

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Speaker 15: starts off telling you their handicap or how a golf

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Speaker 15: clubs their members of or whatnot, that's all fine. A

812
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Speaker 15: lot of advisors want to be able to brag about

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Speaker 15: their own financial position. You know, I will say this Hugh.

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Speaker 15: One of the reasons I think a lot of people

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Speaker 15: who have liked working with us. I think people are

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Speaker 15: well aware that I'm financially comfortable, but they also know

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Speaker 15: that I'm constantly working.

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Speaker 2: And I think advisors.

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Speaker 15: That brag about how little they work, I would knock

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Speaker 15: them off the list.

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Speaker 2: Let's start there.

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Speaker 1: Let us start there, and I will also start by

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Speaker 1: sending people to the Dividend Cafe's at every podcast. Listen

824
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Speaker 1: to the most recent one on the last twenty five

825
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Speaker 1: years in Volatility, and then get Smart. David will be

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty six, and we'll continue this conversation

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Speaker 1: to make everybody financially literate. Stay two morning, Glory and

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Speaker 1: even Grace America. I'm to Hewett, a good Tuesday to

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Speaker 1: you to Chili inside the Beltway. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it's like and Israel, but we will soon find out

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Speaker 1: because we're joined by doctor and Michael Oran. He is

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Speaker 1: the president of the Israel Advocacy Group and that's at

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Speaker 1: Israel Advocacygroup dot org. I'll ask him about that in

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Speaker 1: just a minute.

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Speaker 5: Now, I get it right, You got it right, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. Now I have to tell us what it does.

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Speaker 1: What does the Israel Advocacy Group dot org do?

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Speaker 18: Busy Absy group was founded under very austere circumstances around

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Speaker 18: my kitchen table on October eighth, twenty twenty three, the

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Speaker 18: day after October seventh, to defend Israel from the media

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Speaker 18: and all forms of the media internationally. And it also

842
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Speaker 18: is involved in what was known as Track to Diplomacy,

843
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Speaker 18: where I will represent an Israeli view to governments and

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Speaker 18: organizations around the world who want to hear.

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Speaker 5: In Israeli view, an independent Israeli view.

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Speaker 18: And since then we have, as you know, including many

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Speaker 18: many times on the hu Huwitt Show, literally thousands of

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Speaker 18: interviews worldwide and op eds and a weekly a weekly

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Speaker 18: substack called Clarity.

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Speaker 2: Which you know.

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Speaker 18: I also have a weekly column in the Israeli major daily,

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Speaker 18: Kobe Default for the Free Press, which is a great

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Speaker 18: honor for me.

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Speaker 1: So, Ambassador, I got to ask you a little inside baseball.

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Speaker 1: I do three hours a day radio and television for Salem,

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Speaker 1: and then I do hits for Fox whenever they ask,

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Speaker 1: like earlier today I was on, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: a lot. I get tired, and I write three columns

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Speaker 1: a week. You do like ten times as much media

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Speaker 1: as I do, and you do it all night long,

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Speaker 1: and you do it in different time zones. Does it

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Speaker 1: make you? In the last two years have been a

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Speaker 1: time of grieving, loss, war stress, get to the sheltered.

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Speaker 1: Are you worn out?

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Speaker 5: I know, not at all, Mapic I'm also says you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm writing a now.

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Speaker 18: It's probably a two volume book about this war, which

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Speaker 18: will come out in the coming years. And I write

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Speaker 18: five or six hours a day just writing. Listen, it

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Speaker 18: helps to believe profoundly in what I do, to have

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Speaker 18: a great honor in defending the state of visual the

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Speaker 18: people of Israel, and what I believe is Western civilization.

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Speaker 18: Tell you, very frankly, it hopes to have a great

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Speaker 18: wife and who during as many hours. You know, your

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Speaker 18: primetime is our two three o'clock in the morning. She

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Speaker 18: gets up at one o'clock in the morning and sets

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Speaker 18: it all up and make sure I have a cup

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Speaker 18: of coffee and my makeup is ready, and we do

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Speaker 18: it literally under fire, with rockets going on overhead, So

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Speaker 18: you know, truly, you know, as the wife of Lester B. Pearson,

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Speaker 18: the great former Prime Minister of Canada, when Canada had

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Speaker 18: great Prime ministers. She used to say, behind every successful

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Speaker 18: man stands a surprise woman.

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Speaker 1: Ah, let me ask you Americans who are listening to this.

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Speaker 1: They know Ambassador Orn for years. He's been coming on

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Speaker 1: my program, probably as long as it's been on. It's

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Speaker 1: a twenty fifth and a half year that we've been

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Speaker 1: doing this. And so he was originally the ambassador from

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Speaker 1: Israel to the United States when he started doing this.

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Speaker 1: Then he went in the Knesset, then he was the

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Speaker 1: deputy minister, and then he came out and he kept

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Speaker 1: doing it. Can Americans support the Israel Advocates she grew

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Speaker 1: and if so, does it qualify as tax exempt?

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Speaker 18: It is indeed, and you can go online and look

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Speaker 18: up IAG Israel Abbassy Group.

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Speaker 5: I'm there.

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Speaker 18: You can also accesit access the userbasy group through the

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Speaker 18: subspect Clarity.

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Speaker 5: So well, I your support would be very appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I think that is a great thing for people at

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Speaker 1: the year end, when they're writing their checks and making

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Speaker 1: their deductions and making sure they're as generous as they

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Speaker 1: have been graced over the course of the year, that

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Speaker 1: they keep the Israel Advocacygroup dot org in mind. Now,

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Speaker 1: Ambassador in tough question. I learned this week that if

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Speaker 1: you did it the old way, the commission of inquiry

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Speaker 1: in the failure of ten to seven would be selected

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Speaker 1: by the Chief Justice of the Israeli Supreme Court, who

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Speaker 1: is not, by anyone's estimate, a neutral party. They're involved

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Speaker 1: in this, they are. You can't let them run this

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Speaker 1: because the controversy over the court is in fact part

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Speaker 1: of the argument about unpreparedness. Does everyone understand that in Israel?

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying who should run it, but there's a

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Speaker 1: conflict there with the Supreme Court justice.

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Speaker 5: No, not everybody understands that.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 18: I mentioned that I have this weekly column in Evos,

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Speaker 18: but that column is translated into English and it's on

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Speaker 18: the clarity substect. And what I say is it's important

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Speaker 18: to have It's crucial.

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Speaker 5: Let's stress. Let's stress this crucial. To have a state inquiry.

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Speaker 18: A politically appointed board of inquiry will not be satisfying

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Speaker 18: much of the Israeli public just won't and having the

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Speaker 18: government investigate itself I just won't watch. But there's no

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Speaker 18: reason why you can't have a truly independent state inquiry

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Speaker 18: board made up of very esteemed people. Figures in Israeli

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Speaker 18: society from the right, the left, religious and secular women

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Speaker 18: and men. In this article I named about six or

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Speaker 18: seven of them whould form that committee right off the bat,

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Speaker 18: and who are not identified with any camp. So you

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Speaker 18: can keep the Supreme Court out of this, you can

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Speaker 18: keep the Supreme Court Justice out of this, certainly the

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Speaker 18: President out of this. You can keep the Attorney General

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Speaker 18: out of those, and still have I think a very objective.

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Speaker 5: State inquiry as of tonight.

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Speaker 18: Though the government is saying that that inquiry, the politically

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Speaker 18: appointed inquiry, will ben examined going back to the Oscolo

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Speaker 18: courts of nineteen ninety three, certainly the Israeli disengagement from

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Speaker 18: Gaza in two thousand and five. And I'm reading this

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Speaker 18: and thinking, why don't we just go back to the

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Speaker 18: Garden of Eden and who happen?

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Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, my old boss at the White House, Fred Fielding.

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Speaker 1: When I was an assistant council in the Reagan White House,

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Speaker 1: Fred Fielding was on his first tour of duty as

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Speaker 1: White House Council and he would come back again under

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Speaker 1: w But he was a member of the nine to

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Speaker 1: eleven Commission, which was evenly divided Republicans and Democrats, and

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Speaker 1: they would never go anywhere in uneven numbers. So if

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Speaker 1: a Republican went to speak somewhere, a Democrat had to go.

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Speaker 1: If a Democrat wanted to go here, a Republican had

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Speaker 1: to go. At the end of the day, they had

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Speaker 1: to go way back. They had to go back to

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Speaker 1: the wall between intel and and intelligence and crime fighting

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Speaker 1: between the FBI and the CIA. So they did have

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Speaker 1: to go back in time. But it's possible to put

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Speaker 1: together a commission, not an elder statesman. I mean some

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Speaker 1: of them can be seventy five, but people who are

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Speaker 1: genuinely understood to be fair, who would be the prime

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Speaker 1: mover to get that going.

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Speaker 18: Well, you could appoint a bootsman who could make that

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Speaker 18: type of appointment, or even a committee that can make

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Speaker 18: those type of appointments. But the committee has to be

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Speaker 18: composed of people who are perceived to be objective and neutral.

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Speaker 18: The committee that is appointing the government's investigative inquiry are

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Speaker 18: people from the extreme extreme right. It's BEng Vier, Smutrich

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Speaker 18: and some other people. If there's ever a committee that

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Speaker 18: is designed to disaffect a large segment of Israeli population,

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Speaker 18: it's this committee.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can understand that, because I think right now,

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Speaker 1: what Israel objectively needs is a report that not only

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Speaker 1: Israel except but the world exception to what happened and

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Speaker 1: why on ten seven. And it's really not a political

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Speaker 1: question only of interest to Israelis, though it's overwhelmingly primarily

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Speaker 1: of interest to Israelis. Everyone's got to be able to

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Speaker 1: read it and say, yep, that's what happened. Is that

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Speaker 1: understood in Israel.

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Speaker 5: Not sufficiently at the fact that argue you just made.

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Speaker 18: I don't think I've heard from any is really official,

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Speaker 18: and it's a very compelling one.

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Speaker 5: But Israel is different than the United States. Let that

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Speaker 5: be said to you. This is a country.

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Speaker 18: Where no one's above the law, know on's about the law,

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Speaker 18: and politicians have to take personal responsibility. There was a

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Speaker 18: nine to eleven report, but no one resigned as a

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Speaker 18: result of nine to eleven. No one was fired. No

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Speaker 18: one was fired because of Pearl Harbor. It's a very

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Speaker 18: different society. When we had a lesson successful war against

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Speaker 18: against his bullet in two thousand and six, the Defense

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Speaker 18: Minister was forced to resign, the chief of staff was

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Speaker 18: forced to resign.

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Speaker 5: Ultimately the government fell.

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Speaker 18: So this country when these reports is a lot at

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Speaker 18: stake here, and I understand the Prime Minister, I understand

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Speaker 18: understand that this report could be politically existential for him,

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Speaker 18: hence he has given it such immense weight.

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Speaker 5: But having said that, you.

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Speaker 18: Are absolutely right, we cannot move beyond October set. We

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Speaker 18: cannot heal nor can we truly begin to rebuild our

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Speaker 18: fire relations which have been prepared by this war until

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Speaker 18: we have this type of objective dispassionate to degree it

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Speaker 18: can be dispassionate inquiry.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct? Last question? My assessment from Afar, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about a lot, is that the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister does not have a chance of remaining Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister except as an interim prime minister, unless he gets

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Speaker 1: buy in from everyone on the Commission of Inquiry. In

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Speaker 1: other words, he can't he can't make it a partisan

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Speaker 1: commission of inquiry will get blown out whenever the election

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Speaker 1: has happened in the next year.

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Speaker 18: Right, No, because in a way that's very simply to

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Speaker 18: the United States, the nataille life President Trump has a

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Speaker 18: very solid base and it will always hold for him.

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Speaker 18: I am deliver in on what of those neighborhoods where

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Speaker 18: he has a very solid base. Say anything against the

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Speaker 18: Prime Minister in my neighborhood and they will come out

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Speaker 18: and vote for him, irrespective of what this commission finds

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Speaker 18: or doesn't find, and what its composition will be. And

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Speaker 18: so I assume he's going to run again in October,

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Speaker 18: and he will be a very competitive candidate. Indeed, So

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Speaker 18: that's the answer to that.

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Speaker 5: Do I have a minute?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a minute, go.

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Speaker 5: Lover aet minute.

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Speaker 18: First of all, I from all of us here, from

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Speaker 18: my family, from certainly the people at the Israeli Abbassy group,

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Speaker 18: my very committee staff here, we want to wish you

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Speaker 18: your family, to all your listeners who are among our

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Speaker 18: Christian supporters, who want to wish you a very peaceful, joyous,

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Speaker 18: luminous Christmas. We just concluded Honikah here two days ago,

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Speaker 18: and I'm always reminded that if those Maccabees hadn't won

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Speaker 18: twenty eight hundred years before two thousand, one hundred and

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Speaker 18: sixty eight years before Christmas and preserve the Jewish State,

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Speaker 18: Jesus would may have been born somewhere else and maybe

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Speaker 18: Christmas would look different.

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Speaker 5: So because of Honnikah, yet Christmas will.

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Speaker 18: Take credit for it to really wish you all the

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Speaker 18: happiest of telligence.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael. We'll talk in the new year, mister

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Speaker 1: Ambassador the Israeli Israel Advocacygroup dot org Israel Advocacygroup dot org,

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Speaker 1: Israel Advocacy Group dot org. Good to talk to your

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Speaker 1: ambassador and go nowhere America. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 11: What's a.

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Speaker 3: Hive?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to mccon, Hugh hewit. We've got less than

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Speaker 1: fourty eight hours. Jill Santa arrives, so the countdown has begun.

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Speaker 1: Noah Rothman, thank you for visiting with me on the

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Speaker 1: twenty third. Nothing going on anywhere in America. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there's nothing to do in a house full of kids.

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Speaker 1: There's just absolutely nothing to wrap nothing your wife needs

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Speaker 1: any help with. I'm glad you. I hope I gave

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Speaker 1: you an excuse. First off, I'm kind of floored by

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Speaker 1: the four point three percent GDP. I know we might

1053
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Speaker 1: have some hinky numbers here, but it's nothing that anybody

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Speaker 1: was expecting. How did you react to it? Same?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was not expecting anything north of three percent,

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Speaker 8: much less four percent. And yeah, I would not be

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Speaker 8: surprised by some pretty significant revisions in any direction.

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Speaker 9: We got as much.

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Speaker 8: When we had a CPI number last week that was

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Speaker 8: pretty good and the administration was very happy about it.

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Speaker 8: But accompanying that is well, there was the government shutdown.

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Speaker 8: It was difficult to conduct surveys and expect revisions. So

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Speaker 8: expect revisions, but I would be surprised if they were

1064
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Speaker 8: so dramatic as to suggest that the United States didn't

1065
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Speaker 8: experience some pretty significant growth in the third quarter.

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Speaker 1: And that's all good. Now, I want people to remember

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Speaker 1: what John Ellis, who is usually on this program on Fridays,

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Speaker 1: likes to say, is there is a one time massive

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Speaker 1: cap X expenditure akin to a federal stimulus, but the

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Speaker 1: amount of money being put by private companies into AI

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Speaker 1: data centers, and it's one time and it's not going

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Speaker 1: to recur. It just so happens to be going on

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Speaker 1: this year and next. No, and boy oh boy, that

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Speaker 1: that helps the economy grow.

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Speaker 8: It certainly does, but as you say, it's not sustainable.

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Speaker 8: And there's been a lot of speculation that AI as

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Speaker 8: a as not as a product, but as a concept

1078
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Speaker 8: is overvalued and that there could be a correction, and

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Speaker 8: that correction could be significant. Yeah, I think that's something

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Speaker 8: to be concerned about. But I don't necessarily foresee a

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Speaker 8: condition in which AI as a product ceases to generate

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Speaker 8: revenue and ceases to be something that companies just about

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Speaker 8: every major industry integrates into its operations. So while it

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Speaker 8: may be overvalued in terms of as an investment product,

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Speaker 8: as an investment vehicle, it's not something that's ever going

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Speaker 8: to go away, and a correction wouldn't be a collapse.

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Speaker 1: So it sound like David Bontin on the show earlier

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Speaker 1: talking about kind of you to say, yeah, it sounds

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Speaker 1: like you did, but I know you didn't. David always

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Speaker 1: talks about the AI bubble and he's warned it, and

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Speaker 1: I think people, God, there will be winners, but there

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Speaker 1: will be losers, and if you're an a loser, it's

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Speaker 1: going to hurt. Now let me turn to the other thing.

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Speaker 1: The headline of the Wall Street Journal, US moves troops

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00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: and additional special operations aircraft into the Caribbean. Now, Noah,

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00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: you and I probably have a constitutional disagreement because I

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00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: think he can do this without an authorization for the

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00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: use of military force based upon precedence and the Supreme

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00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: Courts language which is vague in any case, the only

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00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: in Congress can do is cut off money or put

1101
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: writers on they like they did with the contrast. But

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00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: whether or not it's constitutional, do you think it's a

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00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: good idea to topple the Duro, to go in and

1104
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: go out with Maduro in a a couple of cups

1105
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: on his way to trial like Noriega thirty years ago.

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Speaker 8: Well, here's the problem. You we skipped all the way

1107
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 8: to the ending, which is a happy ending. And yes,

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00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 8: I would love to see that happy ending in which

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00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 8: Maduro is gone, Venezuela and Venezuelans are liberated, and the

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00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 8: country that was once the richest country in South America

1111
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 8: rejoins the global marketplace, create establishes a more liberal social covenant,

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00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 8: and allows Venezuelans to thrive and no longer threatens the

1113
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 8: geopolitical situation in the Caribbean For the United States, that

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00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 8: would be very desirable from my perspective.

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00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: What's hinky about it?

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00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 8: And yes, let's put the constitutional questions aside, And yes

1117
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 8: we do have a substantive disagreement about that, both legally

1118
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 8: and prudentially. I think this administration will regret not going

1119
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 8: to the American people if it engages in a regime change.

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Speaker 1: Operation in Venezuela.

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Speaker 8: That aside the enemy gets a vote, there's no kinetic

1122
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 8: campaign that goes precisely according to plan. And the posture

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00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 8: that we have in the Caribbean is designed to execute

1124
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 8: air strikes, pretty substantial air strikes, with some limited ground

1125
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 8: operations by special forces. But the notion here being that

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00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 8: if you just push on this rotten edifice a little

1127
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 8: bit and you can topple it with an air campaign.

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Speaker 8: I've heard that before, and I'm very skeptical that you

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00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 8: can achieve those kind of sweeping strategic aims with a

1130
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 8: tactic like airpower alone. This administration, hopefully, I don't think

1131
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 8: it can slink away from this. I think it has

1132
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 8: to engage in this campaign now. Otherwise American prestige is

1133
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 8: on the line.

1134
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Speaker 1: But if it doesn't have.

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00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 8: A posture that can maneuver in a way that let's

1136
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 8: say the air campaign goes thirty days, do you have

1137
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 8: a ground component to it that's much larger than the

1138
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 8: footprint you would have with special forces. That's something this

1139
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 8: administration will have to consider, and if it does, it

1140
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 8: will have to change its rhetoric around this in maintain

1141
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 8: ways that I think that the American public will find disconcerting,

1142
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Speaker 8: especially if the administration doesn't go to the public with

1143
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Speaker 8: some sort of an effort to enlist the American people

1144
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Speaker 8: in this national project.

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00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: Now you know, no, this is a prediction, and I

1146
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: don't know anything. I think when I taught you in

1147
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: the new year, because I'm op netfick, when I taught

1148
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: you in the new year, nothing will have changed. I

1149
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: don't think we're doing a Christmas time Maduro nab I

1150
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: do think the second order impacts. I've been cautioned by

1151
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: military people. Why don't you everything about second order impact?

1152
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: One of the second order impacts is Cuba is closed

1153
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: to falling apart. The journal covered it over the weekend

1154
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: and I followed it for a long time. They are

1155
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: out of gas, I mean literally out of gas. Do

1156
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: you think that this is really about Cuba and not

1157
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: or at least and about Cuba and people aren't paying

1158
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: attention to that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's about a lot of things. I

1160
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 8: think it's about the geopolitical the geopolitical orientation of Maduro

1161
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 8: and Chavas's Venezuela. They subsidized the Cuban regime, which has

1162
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 8: been a thorn in America's side for seventy years in

1163
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 8: many ways, and destabilizing the geopolitical situation in Sub Saharan

1164
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 8: Africa and Latin America, and as well as the Venezuela's

1165
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 8: relationship with China and Russia, all of which have the

1166
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 8: same relationship with Cuba. We're talking about a nexus of

1167
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 8: anti American powers that have disagreements with one another. But

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00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 8: all of that gets pushed to the back burner when

1169
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Speaker 8: their consideration is their shared oftive, which is toppling the

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00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 8: US led world order. But it's also about immigration. It's

1171
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 8: also about drog trafficking. It's also about destabilizing the triangle

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Speaker 8: and the triangle in Central America and migrants moving north

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00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 8: into the United States, which destabilizes the United States and

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Speaker 8: it's economy. There are myriad problems with the socialist regime

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00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 8: in Venezuela, to say nothing of the fact that it

1176
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 8: is illegitimate and unloved. It's not just one thing, it's

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Speaker 8: many things. And to be sure, the day after Maduro

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 8: collapses will be a better day for the region and

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Speaker 8: for Venezuelans. Getting there could be a tricky enterprise.

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Speaker 1: Now here's my last second order. Impact. I don't think

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: we will in reality lose moral high ground, but I

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: believe the bot farms will say, why can't China invade

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00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: Taiwan and Russia invade Ukraine? At the United States can

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Speaker 1: invade venezuelaand or Cuba or whatever. Do you think we're

1185
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: prepared to swat that down and make the argument we go,

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Speaker 1: we come, we leave.

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Speaker 8: Well, we can, and we can make a moral case

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01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 8: for American military power in the region that is not

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Speaker 8: that certainly doesn't license a land grab like what Vladimir

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Speaker 8: Putin is doing in Ukraine or what China is envisioning

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Speaker 8: in Taiwan. They're just not comparable situations because we're talking

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Speaker 8: about not a colonial not a colonial enterprise rather but

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01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 8: a mission of liberation. But that argument would be buttressed

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01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 8: so much more if the proper legal channels were followed here,

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Speaker 8: If the administration went to a Republican controlled Congress and

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Speaker 8: insisted the Congress have the opportunity to vote on this

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Speaker 8: and just swatted it down.

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Speaker 1: It can't be.

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Speaker 8: When Congress does not act, it is acting.

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Speaker 1: It is saying we do.

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Speaker 8: Not authorize something, not affirmatively.

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Speaker 1: All around law. That's bad non law. But we'll talk

1203
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: about that in the twenty twenty six. Now when they

1204
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: don't say anything, you're in the middle zone. The great

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Speaker 1: jone is just as Jackson would say, they have to

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Speaker 1: actually a certain no. Noah always great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Have a great merry Christmas and a happy New Year.

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01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you in twenty twenty six. States to

1209
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: in America. I'll be right back with Admiral Montgomery. Welcome

1210
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: back in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. I'm very, very grateful

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Speaker 1: to Admiral Mark Montgomery, retired United States Navy Senior Fellow

1212
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Speaker 1: at the Foundation for the Defensive Democracies, because we got

1213
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Speaker 1: him for a short react to President Trump's announcement of

1214
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: the Golden Fleet, which of course is an echo of

1215
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: the Great White Fleet of Teddy Roosevelt one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 1: And when I'm hoping to get out of this, Admiral,

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01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about ship sizes, but I want

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Speaker 1: them to build some graving docks that we haven't got.

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01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,959
Speaker 1: Do you think that's the first step. We can't build

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Speaker 1: a new fleet without new capacity for building ships, can we.

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Speaker 1: You know you're exactly right.

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Speaker 14: The ship the industrial capacity doesn't exist for these kind

1223
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Speaker 14: of large surface combatants or battleship as the President calls it,

1224
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 14: that's coming. That's one of a number of problems I

1225
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 14: do want to say up front, though the President's impulse

1226
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 14: is correct. His impulse that we need to invest in

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Speaker 14: the navy, invest in shipbuilding, invest in the maritime industrial

1228
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 14: base if we're going to compete with China over the

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 14: next thirty years is exactly correct. I'm going to tell

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01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 14: you I have a lot of problems with the implementation plan.

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 14: I think many others do as well. But his impulse

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01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 14: is right, and that's what you need from the president impulse.

1233
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 14: What you need from his underlings is an implementation plan,

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01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 14: and they owe him a good one.

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Speaker 1: Now. In terms of an implementation plan, we don't have capacity.

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01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: Do we need to expand existing shipyard or build new ones.

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01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone in the shipping industry yesterday.

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01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: I said, right now is the time to go ask

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01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: to build a new yard in Delaware or Maryland or

1240
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: some Blues state. So you're can add a couple of senators.

1241
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: They didn't even know that Scoop Jackson needs to be

1242
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: called the senator from Boeing.

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Speaker 14: That's right, and I'm gonna tell you raft the bat

1244
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,959
Speaker 14: one of the great good things in the Golden Fleet

1245
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 14: rollout was the support ships. There's a discussion of them

1246
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 14: in there. You know, when we had a six hundred

1247
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 14: ship navy, we had two hundred support ships. Now we're

1248
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 14: down to forty or fifty. That's one of the reasons

1249
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 14: we don't have enough ships is we don't have enough

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01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 14: support ships. These are the oilers, the AMMO ships, hydrographic ships,

1251
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 14: hospital ships, fleet hugs, all that stuff. And what I

1252
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 14: love in this is it says, look, we're going to

1253
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 14: pack this smartly. We're not going to go to the

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01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 14: existing shipyards. We're going to go to new shipyard, new

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Speaker 14: in America shipyards, bring in probably Korean know how, American investment,

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01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 14: and build those support ships there and that way not

1257
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 14: put a drain on the very limited warship industrial base

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Speaker 14: that exists at the four or five traditional shipyards you

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Speaker 14: and I talk about routinely.

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01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: Now, add am I right, though, would it not make

1261
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: sense to try and find a way to invest in

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01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: a state ship building capacity if that state doesn't currently

1263
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: have it, because then you expand the members of Congress

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01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: who are interested in this vital national security segment of

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01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: the industry. That's exactly You're right.

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Speaker 14: And in fact, the states i'd mentioned, they're a Florida,

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01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 14: Pennsylvania's already getting on the bandwagon, Florida, Oregon, Washington, there's

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 14: a some work going up there. In Louisiana already has

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01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 14: some going on. But more, Yeah, you can bring in

1270
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 14: more state in the end of state generally has to

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01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 14: be on a great lake or on the Atlantica Pacific coast.

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Speaker 14: You're not going to get a big shipyard built in Arkansas.

1273
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 14: But you know, outside of that, I think you can

1274
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 14: do a lot of you can do a lot of

1275
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 14: work here.

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Speaker 1: So I was spitballing yesterday. I just I'll throw it

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: at you. Wilmington has got a pretty big harbor. I

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01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: don't know if they have any shipyard capacity. I don't

1279
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: think they do, but I'd love to bring in Delaware senators.

1280
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: And in Maryland. Baltimore is a big harbor. Do we

1281
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: build anything in Baltimore.

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Speaker 14: So there are big harbors, particularly tomorrow. It is not

1283
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 14: a grave it doesn't have the kind of graving yards

1284
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 14: you've talked about it. It's got a little bit of work,

1285
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 14: a little bit of area for maintenance of some of

1286
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 14: the ships that come in.

1287
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: So there'd have to be the investment. And I think

1288
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about here.

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 14: Someone has to have vision and say I'm gonna I'm

1290
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 14: going to put in state money, argue for federal money,

1291
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 14: and then work with the couple of Korean yards Hunwuan, Hyundai,

1292
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 14: and Japanese yards and even some you know, the finans

1293
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 14: are helping us build ice breakers in American nights now,

1294
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 14: so there's even European game in this. The answer, because

1295
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 14: that's what they know how, is the tech. It's gonna

1296
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 14: be honest with you. The Koreans can build the same

1297
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 14: ship as US for thirty percent of the cost. A

1298
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 14: little bit of that's labor costs. A lot of that

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01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 14: is know how and the policies and processes they use.

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Speaker 1: Last question, addamir all we have seen the remote manufacturing now,

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Speaker 1: has that come yet to shipbuilding where you can use

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Speaker 1: three D two actually get the components on site in

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Speaker 1: real time? Has that made it the shipbuilding or is

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Speaker 1: it still to find a set of sequencing that you've

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Speaker 1: got to follow.

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Speaker 14: So what I would say is adaptive manufacturing, you know

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Speaker 14: with three D pretty other things is really starting to

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Speaker 14: dominate like munitions, and that's where I know you and

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Speaker 14: I have.

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Speaker 9: Talked about it in the past.

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Speaker 14: It is there is actual money in the Big Beautiful

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Speaker 14: Bill to develop that capability capacity at US yards. The

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Speaker 14: answer to your question is yes, but in Korean yards

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Speaker 14: and in Japanese yards, not so much in American yards.

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Speaker 14: There's some of it in American yards, but it's not predominant.

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Speaker 1: Go on, well, Montgomery. We will continue talking about this

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: a year's service to this audience, keeping them smart, and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. Happy New Year, Admiral. Don't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere America. I'll be right back of your sol.

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Speaker 3: Very little Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm you're do it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening today. You know I have been telling you

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Speaker 1: all week about podcasts that I love as we go

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Speaker 1: into the new year. To add to your list, one

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Speaker 1: of those is Breaking History. Eli Lake, the host is

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Speaker 1: back with us. He's a contributor to the Free Press.

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Speaker 1: He's often on the commentary podcast, and he does a

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Speaker 1: marvelous job with the Breaking History podcast, especially the latest

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Speaker 1: edition Tough Jews. Now. Eli I'm gonna let you sum

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Speaker 1: this up, but I want everyone to realize that the

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Speaker 1: phrase this is the business we've chosen is used by

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Speaker 1: more television journalists than I can tell you. This is,

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Speaker 1: you know, when things go wrong, this is the business

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Speaker 1: we've chosen, we can't complain. That's Hymen Roth and the Godfather,

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Speaker 1: who's based on Meyer Lansky, about whom I learned more

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Speaker 1: from Eli this week than I ever knew. Eli.

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Speaker 13: It's fabulous. Congratulations. Oh, thank you so much. You I

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Speaker 13: had a lot of It was a lot. It was

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Speaker 13: a labor of love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you so much.

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Speaker 13: For the episode is about how in the nineteen thirty

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Speaker 13: there was a decision that was made by prominent i

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Speaker 13: should say, kind of Jewish establishment figures Rabbi Stephen Wise

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Speaker 13: and Nathan Perlman who was in a Republican congressman and

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Speaker 13: a judge. And by the way, this is all based

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Speaker 13: on Lansky. We only have that source, so we should

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Speaker 13: just make that clear. And asked the probably the biggest

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Speaker 13: most notorious gangster, at least Jewish gangster of the era,

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Speaker 13: which is Meyra Lansky, one of the founding fathers of

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Speaker 13: the of organized crime in America to gather some of

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Speaker 13: his guys and begin physically disrupting meetings of the American

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Speaker 13: Bund on the East Coast other Jewish gangsters, which is

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Speaker 13: that we didn't get into as much in the episode.

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Speaker 13: Did this in Minneapolis and Chicago and Los Angeles, but

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Speaker 13: Lansky was sort of the big one, and it's really

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Speaker 13: the story of kind of this decision that trying to

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Speaker 13: stop American Nazis outside of the law. Always been fascinated

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Speaker 13: by the story, I thought, I think we did a

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Speaker 13: good job of it, and then raises I think a

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Speaker 13: lot of parallels today because we are seeing anti Semitic

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Speaker 13: violent incidents kind of cresting them. Sadly, it's a it's

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Speaker 13: a trend right now in America and the West. We

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Speaker 13: just saw the Bondai Beach a few weeks ago massacre.

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Speaker 13: So is there a potential for uh, sort of the

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Speaker 13: Jewish community to take matters into their own hand. And

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Speaker 13: I think it's a it's a complicated question. I don't

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Speaker 13: necessarily think we should follow Alanski's lead, But on the

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Speaker 13: other hand, I think it's an important, you know, kind

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Speaker 13: of piece of history to bring back to.

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Speaker 1: Life, you know, Eli years ago. Both of my boys

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Speaker 1: when they were in high school. They they would lifeguard

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Speaker 1: at a Jewish community center and one of them was

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Speaker 1: there when an alert went off and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: out pop theologies, down came the barriers. I mean, this

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: place was wired for security, but it had been built

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Speaker 1: with a lot fairly recently. It's not a shoal in

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Speaker 1: a in a remote townsm where. I really don't know

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Speaker 1: how you do it unless the police commit to treating

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Speaker 1: assaulting like assault. Assault is the unpermitted, unlawful approach of

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Speaker 1: a touching. You know, you're putting imminent fear of an

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Speaker 1: unpermitted touching. That's a crime, and they have to start

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Speaker 1: enforcing it.

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Speaker 13: I agree with you, and I think that that there

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Speaker 13: are good relationships with the police and a lot of

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Speaker 13: big cities right now in the Jewish community. It's a

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Speaker 13: different world than it was in the nineteen thirties. There

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Speaker 13: was still institutional bias against not just Jews, but Irish Catholics.

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Speaker 13: I mean, you can go down the list of course blacks.

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Speaker 13: So we had a different country because of that, and

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Speaker 13: also in a different country because big city police departments

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01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 13: were fairly corrupt in that era. There were efforts to

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Speaker 13: try to reform it with guys like Dewey and New York.

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Speaker 1: But the sort of local gangster.

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Speaker 13: In some ways was the law in a lot of

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Speaker 13: the ethnic neighborhoods in New York City, Baltimore, Boston, Philadelphia,

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Speaker 13: So it was a different role. And in that world,

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Speaker 13: I can understand the argument about how we don't want

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Speaker 13: to let this new American bund begin, you know, can

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Speaker 13: intimidate Jews, especially during the darkness in Europe, which is

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Speaker 13: the late you know, the late thirties and Cristal Knock

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Speaker 13: and all that.

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Speaker 1: So I understand it.

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Speaker 13: I just I just found it a fascinating kind of thing,

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Speaker 13: and I but it also kind of comes from a

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Speaker 13: real emotional place to you. I watch the videos of Bondai,

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Speaker 13: but also I watch like just the mob actions in

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Speaker 13: front of synagogues, like a Parky synagogue a month ago,

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Speaker 13: and I'm thinking to myself, I mean, there's got to

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Speaker 13: be a way for just people to sort of get

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Speaker 13: in the face of the people who are blocking the

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Speaker 13: way to a synagogue, stopping Jews from worshiping in their temple.

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Speaker 13: And We're not such an easy target, you know, get

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Speaker 13: out of here. Former sportin or something it is. We

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Speaker 13: do have a very robust First Amendment law. But you

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Speaker 13: cannot permit, you can't restrict access, you can't interfere with

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Speaker 13: people's free exercise, and you cannot threaten to assault them

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Speaker 13: and put them in fear of an imminent injury.

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Speaker 1: It's simply a crime. Ee. I got to I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you off air as well. I thought it was so fabulous.

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Speaker 1: I came home and said to my wife, after I've

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Speaker 1: been out listening to the thing, this really hit me,

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Speaker 1: unlike a lot of them, because the old Gentleman's agreement

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Speaker 1: which you brought up was the old country Club anti semitism.

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Speaker 1: And I think when we say anti semitism, I want

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Speaker 1: to know if you agree with this. A lot of

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Speaker 1: Americans default to the gentleman agreement stuff. They don't know

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Speaker 1: about the new stuff, and the new stuff is completely

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Speaker 1: different from that. Yes, and I think the new stuff comes.

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Speaker 13: I mean, I think the framework for the new stuff

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Speaker 13: is really on the left, which is it's the idea

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Speaker 13: that Israel is an illegitimate settler colonial state, and anybody

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Speaker 13: who supports Israel is therefore like somebody who would you know,

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Speaker 13: it's the inversion. It's like the Jewish State are the

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Speaker 13: news and you have an obligation to be rude to them,

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Speaker 13: to tear down the hostage, of the posters of missing hostages,

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Speaker 13: you all of those kinds of things that people who

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Speaker 13: are pursuing it are doing it with a kind of

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Speaker 13: moral fervor that isn't really there with the Gentlemen's Agreement era,

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Speaker 13: and it I think puts the Jewish community in a

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Speaker 13: real bind because I mean, to be honest, that world

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Speaker 13: where a lot of these very progressive ideas for a

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01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 13: long time, you know, was a kind of new order

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Speaker 13: that allowed not just Jews, but lots of other minorities

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Speaker 13: in our country to be able to have no barrier

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Speaker 13: to their success. I believe a lot of those ideas

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Speaker 13: have kurdled now, and it's just bad for America at

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Speaker 13: this point of course. Believe Yeah, I believe we should

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01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 13: fight it politically by electing candidates who will, as the

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 13: Trump administration has done, dismantle DEDI that's very good, but

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Speaker 13: we have to understand that these are this is the

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Speaker 13: new ideology of these institutions, and the kind of you know,

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 13: the bitter irony is that it you know, if you

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Speaker 13: would have said ten years ago or twenty years ago.

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Speaker 13: You know, universities were some of the most welcoming places

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Speaker 13: for Jewish Americans, and now I think there are a

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Speaker 13: lot of them. The elite ones are hostile.

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Speaker 1: And Eli, I want to take an opportunity with you

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Speaker 1: a happy New Year as well, because I probably won't

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Speaker 1: talk to you until twenty twenty six, but I hope

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Speaker 1: you do an episode on FDRs and his State Department's

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Speaker 1: possibility to Jewish immigration in the thirties of the story.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I don't think a lot of Americans now,

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01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: So maybe down the line, Eli Lake on X and

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Speaker 1: breaking history wherever podcasts are found. Thank you, Eli, I'll

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Speaker 1: be right back to America's State to