WEBVTT - The Big Weekend Pod 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.760 Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.280 Hillsdale at Hillsdale dot ed or I encourage you to 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.800 take advantage of the many free online courses there, and 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.119 of course I'll listen to the Hillsdale dialogues, all of 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.560 them at Hugh for Hillsdale dot com or just Google, Apple, 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.200 iTunes and Hillsdale Morning Glory and even Grace America. I'm 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.400 Whugh Hewittt. Welcome to the Big Weekend Pod. Quite a 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.720 week President called into my program on Monday. Talked to 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.800 him for thirty minutes, most of which was focused on Iran, 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.400 and he laid it out very very straightforward. There have 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.520 to be some red lines. Number One, they renounced being 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:39.320 in nuclear power, they being Iran. Number Two, all the 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.559 enriched uranium comes to us to the United States. Well, 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.120 help theme get it out that it's got to come 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.640 to us. Number Three, inspections of their missile programs. Now, 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.080 the President indicated that hey, they live in a dangerous neighborhood. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.280 They might need some, but they don't need everything that 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.320 they've got. They can't go forest and missiles to protect 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.639 enrichmentd sites. And then he added in an assign they're 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.120 going to not have any money to give to the 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.760 terrorist proxy but implied in that is they can't give 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.040 any money to the terrorist proxies. That's four points. I 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.120 don't know what the fourteen points are, and at the 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.720 time I'm recording this, I don't know whether or not 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.440 they're going to respond. But they're firing on our destroyers 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:20.160 like constant fire on three guided missile destroyers that went 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.560 through the Strait of War moves and we blew up 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.320 a bunch of their small boats, and Marco Ruby have 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.160 said afterwards, We're not a stupid country. You fired us, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.240 We're going to fire at you. And I believe that 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.760 we have given assurances to our allies, both the Saudi 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.720 Arabia and United Arab Emirates, that if the Iranians fired them, 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.440 we will return fire on the Iranians. And so not 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.760 much progress. I don't expect much progress. I don't believe 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.680 it's a forever war to take six months to wreck 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.040 this most malign regime on the planet. I don't think 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.880 it's a forever war. To stay vigilant and suck it up, 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.880 even if it means higher gasling prices through the election. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.400 Far more important than the elections is bringing this regime 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:09.000 down to its knees, to the recognition that they might 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.280 stay on into they might stay a terrible place, but 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.280 they're never ever going to have nuclear weapons. I talked 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.160 about all this with our regular lineup, Elilake, Matt Continetti, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.880 and of course Ben Dominic and we cover a lot 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.959 of ground as well, because the Virginia Supreme Court did 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.160 the right thing, though by a vote of only four 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.799 to three, struck down those maps because they broke every 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.120 rule in the book when they got to the initiative 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.600 that barely passed. So it was a good week all around. Meanwhile, 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:43.280 the Republican states, the red States are busy changing their 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.480 maps where it is either compelled by virtue of the 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.560 Supreme Court decision having to do it Louisiana last week, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.520 or because they can, as in Tennessee, and they're playing 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.400 like Massachusetts and Chicago. Republicans are being to play by 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.919 Democrat rules and we're going to see that all over 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.040 the country. States blue states, very few purple states. And 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.880 when that big sort is over by twenty thirty two, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.520 Republicans are going to have a decided advantage because they're 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.880 the party of common sense. And growth and national security. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.400 I think that's what wins elections in the long run. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.520 I think that the Virginia Supreme Court also stood up 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.960 for the rule of law. Applause to the four justices 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.000 who got it right. Well, that's itt on to the 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.079 Big Weekend Pod having glory and even greats America. Good 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.480 Friday to you. I hope you have a wonderful weekend ahead. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.200 Eyed do Mother's Day weekend, and we like to celebrate that. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.440 And I begin this Friday broadcast with John Allis, editor 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.760 in chief, founder of News Items, and he always gives 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.280 you the ten to fifteen items need to know every 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.720 morning at six am. It's what I begin my day 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.120 with my news day. And at the end of every 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.880 week we kind of look back at the week and 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.880 see what's important. John, welcome you pick for me first, 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.960 the situation in Russia. Only minutes ago, President Trump announced 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.680 a three day ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine that will 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.560 extend over Victory Day. That makes Mother's Day a lot 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.840 less likely to be lethal for both sides, But generally speaking, 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.520 three days is not a solution, and Russia is starting 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:13.880 to wear down. Tell us about it. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.880 Well, you know, a big day in Russia's World War 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.680 two victory day, when the exact date is May nine, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.680 and ordinarily we've all seen the pictures of you know, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.279 the rockets and the missiles and tanks and all of 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.919 the military hardware, and you know, hundreds or thousands of 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.680 troops in lockstep marching before the reviewing stand. That has 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.040 been or that was completely scaled back to a minimal 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.839 parade in front of the Kremlin because the Russian government 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.480 couldn't promise the citizens and its people and its government 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:58.440 that Ukrainian drones wouldn't come and kill everybody. So, you know, 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.240 when you have a government that is incapable or doesn't 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.080 think that it's fully capable of preventing drone attacks on 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:11.200 its most important parade, if you will, then you have 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.800 a government that's in trouble. And that's been a major 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.880 theme of the press coverage this week is that you know, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.200 Putin is paranoid, he's hunkered down in his bunker, he 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.000 doesn't trust anybody, and a lot of people that have 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.360 been very supportive of him, on the military side and 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:31.480 the security side, are now talking darkly about a coup 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.880 or worse. So it's a dramatically when you think about 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.160 where we were, you know, four and a half years 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.840 ago to where we are now. It's just a remarkable 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:43.680 change of circumstances. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.520 You know, John, you and I are both old enough 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.760 to remember that when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.120 the late seventies, it took a decade for far fewer 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.760 casualties to force the regime to change and to withdraw 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.400 from Afghanistan and to give up to Do you think 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:07.520 everything happens faster? Thesis applies to Russia now as opposed 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.240 to back then, that maybe they've reached their limit in 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:11.200 half as much time. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:13.640 I think so. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:18.479 I mean, first of all, the casualties are over a million, right, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:25.280 and the economy, despite the surge and oil prices because 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.000 of US sanctions and other things, the economy is in 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:33.000 dreadful shape. And the mood, you know, four and a 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.839 half years of this war is ground apparently, ground people down. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.279 Support for the regime is you know, falling something precipitously, 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.160 and you know, can it fall faster? 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.080 Yes? Absolutely? 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.400 Now. Yesterday, I want to switch a topic too, Ai. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.680 Yesterday it was downtown at the DC Convention Center, Eric 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:59.240 Schmidt's annual Big Expo on AI was held, and I 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.800 let a conversation between former Speaker McCarthy former Chairman of 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.400 the Banking Committee McHenry, and I began by pointing to 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.200 one of the stories you called out of the New 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:13.000 York Times called out and Thropic experienced extraordinary growth. They 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.680 went from ten x growth to eighty x growth in 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.480 the first quarter, and their revenue run rate went from 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.680 nine billion last year to an expected thirty billion this year. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.040 Expansional growth is great when it comes to like railroads 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.200 in the eighteen fifty, not so great when it comes 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:34.000 to the Luftwaffe in the thirties. What is this, Well, you. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.680 Know, it's a remarkable obviously, it's probably the most important 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.800 technological development, certainly in the last century. 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:48.440 And you know they're building on the. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.400 Success of the prior model seemingly every three months. And 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.720 as the as a AI gets more sophisticated, more capable, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.240 it becomes more problematic because it can be used for 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.640 many good things, and it can be used for many 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.160 bad things, and there's tremendous concern that the many. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.200 Bad things may become reality. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.160 Do you expect anything out of the China US g 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.880 Trump summit that is actually concrete when it comes to AI. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.960 I certainly hope, so I'm not sure. I think for 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:32.280 President Trump it's actually it offers the opportunity to begin 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.840 what would be a major achievement. If the US and 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.600 the Chinese can reach an agreement on let's call it 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.840 governance of Ai, that would be an enormous help to 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:50.000 the world. Since the US and China are the two 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.800 leaders in AI. You know, the cat is sort of 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.480 out of the bag on AI, so it's a very 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.280 difficult thing to get it back in the bag. But 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.720 if any two nations can do it, the Chinese and 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.360 the US are the only two. And I think that 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:10.839 the Chinese understand the AI threat every bit as much 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.200 as we do, and so I think there's there's possibility 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.640 there for something constructive. 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:17.520 To come out of it. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.600 And for President Trump, it would be the single most 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.600 important thing he did during either of his two terms. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.319 It would be an enormous benefit to all of us. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.920 So I think it's an opportunity, whether. 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:33.720 They sees it. I don't know. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.160 News items covers AI better than anyone else, so that 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.360 get most of AI information from news items, But I 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.560 haven't seen a structure that makes sense because there's always 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.280 going to be someone who's going to sneak out the 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.880 latest chip and the latest meet those mit thos iteration 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.360 of clot There's always going to be a leak, right, 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.679 That's that's part of the problem with AI. It is 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.360 it's virus like. It's sort of the worst nightmare movie. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:04.160 Yeah. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:09.360 No, you need enormous surveillance capabilities, if you will, And 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.440 eventually I think you have to have a sort of 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:16.480 central switching station for all compute so that anything that 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.520 you do in AI goes through one toll booth, if 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.840 you will. But the only two nations that can you know, 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.520 do this to try and put a cap on what 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:32.240 is a very very dangerous technology in China and Russia, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.160 and you know, and I think g understands that, I 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.680 think Trump understands that. And it's a good thing if 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.440 those if the two countries can come together and try 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.559 to you know, build the toll booth and and get 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.600 the cat back in the bag. If we don't get 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.080 the cat back in the bag, then a bag bad 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:56.560 actor with access to these enormously powerful technologies can you know, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.280 wreak havoc on the world. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.160 So the time there you said China Russia. I think 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:02.679 he meant China US. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.440 China US. Excuse me, sorry. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.360 Now, the Gary Mannering Wars is also on your list, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.800 and it came in before the Virginia Supreme Court handed 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:16.000 down their four to three decisions striking down as unconstitutional, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.840 and it really was. I mean, they ran through all 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.800 their self erected barriers to Gary Mannering in order to 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.760 put the ten to one map in place. But that 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:30.920 doesn't stop Tennessee, Louisiana, Missouri, Ohio has already done it, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.080 California has already done it, Texas already done at Utah 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.520 has already done it. When it's all said and done, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.679 I just think it's it's a battle that will never end. John, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:39.360 What do you think? 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:41.199 I agree? 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:46.120 I mean, I think the Gerrymander Wars are almost anesthetical 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:50.400 to you know, our political system. You know, you're we're 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.720 looking at a situation where in twenty twenty eight or whatever, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:00.800 twenty thirty, the state of California thoroughly blue control of 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.160 both houses of the legislature and they'll have the governorship. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.920 Can create a situation where every single district is a 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:14.240 Democratic district and the largest collection of Republican voters in 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.160 the country is in California, so you're essentially they would 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.960 be essentially disenfranchising, you know, millions and millions and millions 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:27.199 of Republican voters. If we take this all the way 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:31.520 to its logical conclusion, we'll have no competitive seats number 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:36.240 one and number two. We will polarize the country even 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.079 more than it is now. So I think the gerryman 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:44.400 or wars are really really scary and unhelpful. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.880 And Anthony Kennedy spent a lot of his time on 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.000 the bench trying to come up with an alternative to 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.480 what we've got, and he couldn't. And the Court just 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.319 finally said, the states have got to decide what to do. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.920 I think they're going to decide to go with their 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.960 partisan majority. We shall see, let's finish on it up. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.480 Note we got a minute. Coffee is still good for us. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.000 This is the good news. Coffee is still good for us. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.880 Yeah, So, of course, the anti coffee lobby, one of 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.840 the most evil groups of people in the world, have 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:18.280 been spreading misinformation and lies about coffee. But science will 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.200 out and it turns out that coffee is in fact 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.560 good for you and particularly for gut health. So we 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.800 hear News Items urge everybody to have an extra cup of. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.319 Coffee at least three cups a morning. John allis always 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.520 good to see you. Follow him on exit Elis Items. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.160 Subscribe to news Items if you want to be up 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.880 to date on everything by just googling news items and 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.080 John Ellis and we'll take you there. Well worth the money. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.560 It is well worth the price of twenty subscriptions because 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.680 it condenses everything into one. John, thank you, have a 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.679 great weekend. I'll go anywhere America. Our friend Eli Lake 0:13:54.760 --> 0:14:03.000 is next on the you Heal It Check Welcome Back 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.040 in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Each week at this time, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.080 Eli Lake of the Free Press, the host of Breaking 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.320 History podcast, joins me from his attic, But he can't 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.480 get to his attic because he's stuck in traffic, So 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.000 I'm going to talk to him anyway. Because the new 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:21.160 Breaking History is so interesting about artists who hold evil 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.080 views but their art is good. And that would include 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.400 Voltaire and Plato and the children's book Off Their Doll 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.960 we'll talk about that in a second, and Founding fathers 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.240 enslave people. You can't get worse than that, Jefferson. We'll 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.920 talk about that in a moment. But Eli, you're stuck 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.440 in traffic, you're up to speed on the news. What 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.240 do you think is going on with Iran in the 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.000 fourteenth point deal? The President told me on Monday, right 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.920 on the show there were four red lines. Then we 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.160 sent them fourteen points. I don't understand. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.160 By the way, that was a superb interview, and I 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.680 used it was very helpful to me in terms of 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.840 getting a sense of where the president was. And because 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.280 of that interview with you, I want to credit you. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.840 I did not freak out later in the week when 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.360 you were concerned about making a bad deal. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.480 I did. I don't want to go backwards. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.280 I liked where he was, yeah, exactly, and I thought, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.840 even though he didn't exactly commit, I felt like he 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.880 was in this place where he was holding really firm 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.280 on the basics of the nuclear side of it, which 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.400 was important. I understand what his point was, that you 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.320 can't just say they can't have any missiles, but he 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.040 seemed to, I think, indicate that he was not going 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.920 to take a bad deal. And I was less alarmed 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.200 than you and John Padaritz, although I was listening to 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.480 that conversation later. I've got more alarmed, if you know 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.000 what I mean, I. 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.840 Do, and Mark Tison got more alarmed all the Yeah, 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.920 Iran Hawks got more alarmed because we don't believe in 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.920 negotiating with these people. They don't negotiate in good faith. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.520 Yeah, So let me zoom out because my take on 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.760 this is that I don't think I think that the 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.080 president's for good reason, doesn't want to commit ground troops, 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.240 doesn't want to get caught in a quagmire, doesn't want 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.880 to repeat the mistakes of Iraq, doesn't want a nation build, 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.920 doesn't want to keep the peace after the regime falls. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.320 But I think he also has to understand that the 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.080 only way out of this is for the regime to topple. 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.760 That doesn't necessarily that doesn't mean that he has to 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.760 then commit the ground troops and do all the things 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.960 he doesn't want to do. But I think it's very 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.200 important at this point to say there's a difference between 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.040 saying that we support the Iranian people and we should 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.440 support people who are representing the Iranian people in some 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.880 ways like res apology, and then saying that we're going 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.480 to do another Iraq. And I think that the problem 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.680 that we're in right now is that as long as 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.120 he is going to say that we're going to get 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.960 some sort of deal with the remnants of the regime, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.520 or that he's going to try to find the right 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.200 person to negotiate with and then back that person in 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.680 the regime, that's gonna that's I think a fool's Errand 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.840 at this point, they understand that they think they have 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.240 this leverage, they think they won, or the HIGHERGC guys 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.560 think they won, and it's very important to make it 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.960 clear that they have not won, and that I would 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.120 I want to credit the US military at this point. 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.000 I mean, everybody's looking at this as like, well, why 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.679 aren't you calling it a war? Hey, they repelled a 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:19.320 significant threat to our destroyers, and they have I think 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.680 established a route through the straight of woe moves. Now 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.479 it's time to act on that, using our military power 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.120 to begin the escort missions, And if the Iranians want 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.320 to make war on us, then we have all the 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.480 capabilities to make war on them, and they're going to 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.560 be really sorry. And I think that that's the focus 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.439 right now. Everything else is I think you wait for 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.640 a deal with it. If the regime emerges and they're 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.600 moderate and they want to make a real deal. Great, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.359 but I think that we're acting too much like we 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.040 want at this point. We're falling into the Obama trap, 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:53.840 and I'm concerned about that. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.359 I am too. Now. They did keep up. I learned 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.600 the detail today, continuous fire three of our destroyers as 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.520 they made their way through the strait. They didn't hit it, 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.960 but we sunk all their fast boats and we blew up. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.639 Maybe we the President may have told a little bit 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.920 too much about the defensive weaponry on the destroyers. I'll 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:20.000 leave that alone, but we add the complete success going through. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.600 I wonder we've got an arsenal of moabs and we've 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.920 got the one right below that, the deep penetrator. Isn't 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.520 it about time to tell the Iranian citizenry to move 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.919 away from the coast the one hundred miles that are 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.719 the Strait of Horror moves and then just lay havoc 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.639 to the coastline, like level it out so you can 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.679 you can put a level using building on it and it 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.640 won't move. Isn't it time to a demonstration of force 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.600 at this point for the benefit of everyone. 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.040 I think the demonstration of force will be good. I 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.800 would add to that if we don't want to use 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.480 American ground troops for all kinds of good, smart, prudent reasons. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.320 I think, you know, this is an opportunity for not 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.000 an Arab Emirates maybe to foot the bill for some mercenaries, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.040 because what we really need to do is hold that 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:07.040 territory around the coast enough to persuade the insurance companies 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.000 and persuade the shipping companies that you can that we 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.960 will prevent the Iranians from doing harm. The other thing 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.720 I think to keep in mind is that they did 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.200 a little bit of laying of minds in the Strait 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.320 of Her Moves, but they didn't do as much as 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.359 they could have done. And I think that they understood 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.840 that if they did that, China would cut them loose, 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.320 they would become the enemy of the world. So I 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.439 think it's also time to maybe call their bluff on that, 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.480 because there's a huge difference, as we both know, between 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.840 dropping one thousand minds or five hundred minds in the 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.600 Strait of Her Moves, which would shut it down for 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.960 five months or more, versus the threat of these drone attacks, 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:42.960 cruise missiles and fast boats. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.320 Now, I had not thought about mercenaries Eli, there's a 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.440 great novel by Stephen Preshfield about the future of war 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.919 being fought by mercenaries. I recommend that I want to 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.119 go to the Breaking History podcast, though, because, as you 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.919 pointed out, if we didn't allow ourselves to be influenced 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:05.160 the art or the thought of people who had moral imperfections, 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.359 a no one would get that make any art or anything, 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:11.080 because we all have moral imperfection. The Plano, Gogan, the 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.239 Founder's Voltaire, and then Doll. I mean, I've read the 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.399 Doll Books to my kids and my grandkids. I had 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.120 no idea it was an anti semi. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.480 The Raal Doll books are the treasure. I think he's 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.120 one of the great children's authors of the twentieth century. 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.280 And I could not imagine, you know, raising my young 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.560 daughter without you know, Roaldal. She's a little young for 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.320 it now, but I can't wait to read her. James 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.520 and the Giant Teach and Willie Walk on the Chocolate Factory, 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:37.840 And I just think that it's important that when the 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.679 time comes and it shows up, you just sort of say, listen, 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.400 this is somebody who had horrendous views of Jews and Israel, 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.679 and it's a problem I mean there were other authors, 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.800 by the way, that I didn't mention on that podcast. 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.000 If you look at the politics of two of my 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:56.280 favorite spy novelists, John Lecare and Graham Green, you would 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.960 be repulsed. During the Cold War, they were pretty much 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:05.120 false support of the Soviets. You know, in my opinion, 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:10.520 that's an absolute moral stain. But should we not read 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.080 should we not? Should we not read Laca and Graham? 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:16.280 You know, I mean if we do not read The 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.040 Quiet American, The Quiet American is an is a fascinating 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.160 and important book. We have to read that book. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:25.840 So I didn't know Laca was a lefty. He just 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.639 crushed me. I've read every page of every locare, but 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:29.760 probably twice. 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:32.560 Yeah, what's your favorite. 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.200 Easily Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:36.159 That's I was. 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.160 That's that's mine too. I was guys gonna say, that's 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:39.320 the great, that's the that's it. 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:40.560 That's like at his best. 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:43.920 Yeah, I had little drummer girls great too. I mean, 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.240 there's there's a I mean, he was at my sixth 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.120 he left, he left the service, but you know, yeah, that's. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:54.560 Why I'm amazing, am I Well, I guess we did 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.919 have Kim Philby. But he wasn't a spy, was he. 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.360