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Speaker 3: Welcome to a brand new episode of the Michelle ta

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Speaker 3: recall a while ago I interviewed Martha Byrne. She's an

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Speaker 4: In an investigation. Well, guess what, he has just been

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Speaker 4: Welcome to you both.

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Speaker 3: You must be Martha, you look so much more at

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Speaker 4: Last time I talked to you, when you were fighting

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Speaker 5: I tell you. A week ago, Mike was in a

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Speaker 2: There was no secret on my part, but the CCP

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Speaker 3: And by the way, this does not so I'm sorry, Martha,

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Speaker 5: It was so we knew that once we started getting

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Speaker 5: every piece of evidence exonerated him. The search warrants were false.

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Speaker 5: Why didn't they bring him in? And we've had people

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Speaker 3: What was the motivation to just bring you in and

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Speaker 2: I think they were protecting a CCPs set he worked.

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Speaker 2: Him, and we found out later on they were assisting him.

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Speaker 1: Our civil lawsuit. That's not the FBI's job.

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Speaker 5: No, and we were not allowed to talk about that

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I didn't really understand it before my case, but

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Speaker 1: Listen. I want to help you guys. Whatever you guys need,

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Speaker 2: Not once did I get a call from them to

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Speaker 2: But what was disturbing is in our discovery they met

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Speaker 3: To and yet that didn't impact your sentence. Your sentenced

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Speaker 5: He didn't even testify at the trial. Have you ever

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Speaker 5: So we're making traction. You know, I think this was

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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing about law fair, if you will,

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Speaker 2: I had to liquid date my retirement account. We're going

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Speaker 2: So grateful to our friends and family for helping us out.

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Speaker 4: Unbelievably grateful, I'm sure. And you earned their.

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Speaker 3: That needs some looking at in this country. This you know,

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Speaker 1: That's why people take Please that's why people took a plea.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it get intimidated.

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Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. This is this is why good people,

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Speaker 4: So you take those six weeks, Michael.

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Speaker 3: And then you had to go in what what was

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Speaker 4: What what was your environment?

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Speaker 1: The environment was awful? You know. I walked in my

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Speaker 2: It felt like a dream. Everybody was looking at me.

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Speaker 2: They found I think nine ten eleven knives, numerous cell phones,

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Speaker 2: You're a cop, you me, you're evolved you. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I just got here. I don't know what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to give anybody up. I don't know

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Speaker 1: You're a rat, you know, like cops. And I said, listen, sorry,

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Speaker 2: Can you please protect me, move me, whatever you have

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Speaker 5: But you ended up having a good counselor. And then

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, Inside the prison, like your counselor, who's

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Speaker 4: In counselor, each inmate gets a counselor. I did not.

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Speaker 5: We got a great We got a great one and

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Speaker 5: But not everybody gets that. So it was hard, it

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Speaker 5: you know, thank god for Mike Lawler, Congressman Sessions, Ralph Norman,

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Speaker 5: It can't be for nothing.

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Speaker 4: I love I love that you just said that. It

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Speaker 2: Absolutely day out, fighting every single day for me.

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Speaker 1: And now we want to help others do.

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Speaker 2: To help them and help them with their cases and

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Speaker 3: Well, if someone's listening who has some sort of tangential

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Speaker 5: Great question. I wish we could ask that more often.

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Speaker 5: Because Michael Lawler is not our representative. He's across the

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Speaker 4: Well did you did you get to your.

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Speaker 5: But see, you have to keep trying. If it's not

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Speaker 3: That is amazing to me that your reps in New

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Speaker 5: I went to Corey Booker's office. I left a note

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Speaker 5: I thought. You know, you don't want to know about

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Speaker 3: How did you decide on him?

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Speaker 2: There was a fundraiser for me, my brother Vinnie, who

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Speaker 2: He went to his office and said, can you please

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Speaker 2: believe in your cause. If I become congressman. If I

442
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: become a congressman, after I win this election, I will

443
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 2: help you. And two days later he calls us, meets

444
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: with us for coffee after he won. Yep, And I

445
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I said, you stoock to your word

446
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: and you came through. And I'm so happy that you

447
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: know you're here and you're still willing to help us.

448
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 5: I know.

449
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: And he's been a god send for us. He's been

450
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: a savior for us. He's been such a great person.

451
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 5: And just so you know, Vincent, his brother, who passed

452
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 5: away from nine to eleven related cancer the day before

453
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 5: he was sentenced. We buried him and Michae Lawler honored

454
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 5: his brother on the house floor with a huge poster

455
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 5: for a minute, recognizing his brother on the house floor,

456
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 5: that's Michael Lawler. We need a thousand Michael Lawlers in

457
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 5: this country. We're not afraid to speak up and it's

458
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 5: not about politics, about doing the right thing, even when

459
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 5: it's challenging.

460
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: I've had Mike Lawler on this show. I found him

461
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: to be authentic, decent, civil, strong, bold, and I am

462
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: so glad to hear that he was in your corner.

463
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 4: And what a beautiful thing to do for Vinnie.

464
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 3: I'll call him Vincent. I'm so sorry for that lot.

465
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 3: That's that was a bad stretch for you there, Michael.

466
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: That was a tough couple.

467
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 5: Of James to go from that, from this the funeral,

468
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: which was you know, a thousand firemen and fire trucks,

469
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 5: and you know, to have to go to know the

470
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 5: next day, you're gonna have to go in front of

471
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 5: this judge who was I'm sorry, she is a vile person,

472
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 5: and she said basically, your children will be fine if

473
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 5: your husband goes to prison, because they're adults. They're fine.

474
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? I mean this, this woman has

475
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 5: no soul. I'm sorry, she has no soul.

476
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 4: What she allows you don't need to apologize.

477
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 5: I mean what she did that courtroom. We couldn't put

478
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 5: our evidence in, We couldn't talk about what his his

479
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: NYPD history. We weren't allowed to talk about his career

480
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 5: to the jury so they would know he didn't would

481
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 5: never do something like this. She really is needs to be.

482
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 5: I'm sorry it's investigated. What this whole case is a

483
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 5: is a is a mess. And I don't know if

484
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 5: William Barr, I don't know, you know, like what was

485
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 5: going on in the Eastern District of New York in

486
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 5: this case. I mean, there's there's just it's just a mess.

487
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: But she worked, she worked hand in hand with the prosecution,

488
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: That's right. She denied every single motion.

489
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 5: Everything, every's evidence we wanted to put and denied, denied,

490
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 5: denied every day. It was a to it was it

491
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 5: was torture. It was absolute torture.

492
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: I remember talking to Martha before and just feeling the

493
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: palpable I can't even imagine. And now Michael, getting to

494
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: meet you, uh, it brings it home even more.

495
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 4: You're just you're, like you said.

496
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 3: If people need to know you were a decorated cop,

497
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 3: you were there on nine to eleven. You have done

498
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: so much and to have this done to you is

499
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: it's sickening. And I'm sure you're not the only one.

500
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: But like you said, this needs to be not for nothing.

501
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: And so I hope, I hope and pray that you

502
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: continue to get a ton of attention.

503
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 4: Do you still have fundraisers up.

504
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: If people want to go support you and know that

505
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: you might still be needing that support, where can they.

506
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 5: Go, Well, definitely the Pipe Hitter Foundation dot org. Michael McMahon,

507
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 5: we have his own page. They've been phenomenal by us

508
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 5: for the whole time. You can purchase my book that

509
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 5: in the Interest of Justice. I had the whole cases

510
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 5: in there, and that's where you know, we have to

511
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 5: raise funds to put pay back our lawyers who have

512
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 5: been amazing, which are Gibbons Law Firm. They were so

513
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 5: understanding and my lawyer said you, I promise you you

514
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 5: will never have to sell your home. This has happened

515
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 5: early on. He goes, I prompt you will figure it out.

516
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: And to me that was a godsend because I didn't

517
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 5: want to uproot my family. I didn't want to have

518
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 5: to sell my home, you know, and so God they

519
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 5: believe he sure did. He sure did. So we definitely,

520
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 5: you know people, because we want to again pay that

521
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 5: forward with the Pipe Pitter Foundation. There's stories on there

522
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 5: of other cops, first responders who are falsely accused. Military

523
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 5: just incredible organization. So we'll be working further with them.

524
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 5: But we again we want to be able to help

525
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: other people, you know, like you said, these bills, to

526
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 5: be able to defend yourself shouldn't cost you everything. There

527
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 5: needs to be some sort of change, but at least

528
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 5: if there's some resources for if you are, it gives

529
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 5: a little bit of a breather, a little breathing room

530
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 5: for survival, for lack of a better word.

531
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: So let's just revisit before I let you go, because

532
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 4: I need to.

533
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: We need to all feel the warmth that you most

534
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: both must be feeling right now.

535
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: Who found out first about the pardon? Michael or Martha?

536
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: I think it was a joint. Well.

537
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 5: Lawler called. Michael Lawler called me, and you know, he

538
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 5: called a lot, which was great, so I never had

539
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 5: my I called it. He always called to check in.

540
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 5: And he called and you had just gone back to

541
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 5: the Halfway house in Newark. He had been working that day.

542
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 5: And my phone rang, it says Michael Lawler. And my

543
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: mother was in the kitchen with me. My mom lives

544
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 5: with us. And I picked up the phone and I

545
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 5: said hi, Mike, I said, he goes, how are you?

546
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 5: I said, good, how are you? He goes, is Mike

547
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 5: standing next to you? I knew what that meant. I said,

548
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 5: uh no, he goes. Can you patch him in? I said, okay,

549
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 5: So I'm on my phone. I try to patch in Mike.

550
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: The phone rings, he doesn't answer. I try again, Mike, Mike.

551
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 5: He doesn't answer, So I hung out. I told Mike Lawler,

552
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 5: I said, he goes, Well, just call me back when

553
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 5: you get him on the phone. I didn't ask.

554
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't answer because I'm checking back into the Halfway

555
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: house in Newark, New Jersey.

556
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: Well, you got to think it's like going through a

557
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: TSA at the airport.

558
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: You have to go through detectors, take your pockets, check

559
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: your pockets, take off your shoes. So I'm going through

560
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: this process and you have to do a breathalyzer, a

561
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: urine test just to check back in. So I'm doing

562
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: this whole process, which takes about fifteen minutes, and she

563
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: keeps calling my phone. I'm like, why she keeps calling

564
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: on not thinking it could be something important.

565
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: So I finally.

566
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 5: Answer it and I patched him in, but she didn't.

567
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: Say what was going on. So I hear this strange

568
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: male voice Michael. I'm like, hello, who is this? And

569
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: he said Mike Lawler I'm like, oh my god, how

570
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: are you? And he said, I just spoke to the President.

571
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: He's giving you an unconditional pardon. And I was like,

572
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: no way, you know, I couldn't believe it.

573
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 4: I was just what did it? What did it? Viscerally?

574
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 4: Feel like? Like, what did what happened in your body?

575
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: My heart started racing. I thought it was a dream,

576
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: and I think I said that several times to Mike.

577
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Are you sure? Mike?

578
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: This is not a dream and this is not something

579
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: that I'm going to wake up tomorrow and not realize.

580
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: But now He's like, Mike, It's it's true. I just

581
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: spoke to him.

582
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: And Martha, what was your reaction? I mean, were you

583
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: kind of thinking this was what the call was about.

584
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 5: I knew I had a feeling. And then my mom

585
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 5: just broke down in tears. My mom was in the kitchen,

586
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 5: just broke down. We just all broke down, and I

587
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 5: didn't know where my kids were. I was like, I'm

588
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 5: walking around my pajamas. I'm like, where is everybody? You know?

589
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 5: And I got to tell my children, who just how

590
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 5: old are your twenty seven, twenty three, and nineteen?

591
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, they'll be fine.

592
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: I've a nineteen Yeah, that's not No judge will tell

593
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: a mom that their kid will be fine with their dad,

594
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: and exactly exactly.

595
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 5: I was just like, are you kidding? Like she's not

596
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 5: a mother, and I'm not judging her for not being one,

597
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 5: but if you have any John, don't have that connection.

598
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 5: Is like, I've been keeping our family together for five

599
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 5: years under one roof, we stayed together. To separate him

600
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 5: from his family, it's just horrifying. I mean, it's brutal

601
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: so to have.

602
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: So how did the kids run out?

603
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 5: Just joy? Overwhelming joy because they've heard me for months

604
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: and years saying we're going to get this through. I

605
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 5: think we're going to get apart, and I really believe

606
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 5: we're going to get a part. And we have so

607
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 5: much support, support from so many people here in DC

608
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 5: that were just advocates for Mike, you know, behind the scenes,

609
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 5: in front of the scenes, on camera who just Peede

610
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 5: Sessions and Ralph Norman too, you know, they went to

611
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: bat for Mike. So I knew we had the right

612
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 5: people in place to put this over the But as

613
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 5: everybody's told me, President Trump only does it when he

614
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 5: wants to do it. He does it. It's his final decision,

615
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 5: and when he heard the case, he decided to do it.

616
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 5: And again bless Michael Lawler for pushing, pushing and pushing

617
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 5: because he was our He was right at the front

618
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: lines and not afraid to push. So we're it's just

619
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 5: my big children had seen me fighting for so many years,

620
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 5: and you know, you look to the parents for hope,

621
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 5: you know, you want to believe that. They wanted to

622
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: believe me, but it kept going on and on and

623
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 5: on and on, and I just I just hope that it.

624
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: My son became a police officer, my oldest son. I mean,

625
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: even through all this, oh my, right, oh my, that

626
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 5: just tells me.

627
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 4: It's got goose beeps. That is you must be so proud.

628
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 5: So proud, so proud. So he saw the bad guys, right,

629
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: the bad cops. He said, I want to be like

630
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 5: my father, the good cop.

631
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: He left a teaching physician to become a cop. Yes,

632
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: here in New Jersey, and.

633
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: Very proud of him for making that decision. And he

634
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: did it in my honor.

635
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: So it's amazing. And my other two are doing great too.

636
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 5: You know, they really survived this and it could have

637
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: gone well.

638
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: You know why they're doing great because they got good.

639
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I can look at you both and

640
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: say that, without hesitation, you present yourselves and your family's

641
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: struggle so well. I'm so sorry you had to go

642
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: through this. I am so pissed that you had to

643
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: go through this. But I remember talking to Martha several

644
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: months ago and thinking he's going to get pardoned.

645
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: I just know he's going to get parkeed.

646
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: And so when I got the email that told me

647
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: that you had, I was so excited and I'm so

648
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: thrilled to meet.

649
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: You face to face in this sort of virtual way. Michael, and.

650
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: You know your wife has my admiration and you both

651
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: have my respect, and we are happy to tell your

652
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: story and we will direct people to pipefitters and anywhere

653
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: else that you know. I'm so grateful that Mike Lawler

654
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: was there for you as well, and I can't imagine

655
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: how you must all feel to be back at under

656
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: the same roof together.

657
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 5: It's good, it feels good.

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Speaker 4: Still in shock, God, really still a whttle bit shocking.

659
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: Are either of you afraid?

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Speaker 5: No, no, not at all. No, you can't go through

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Speaker 5: this and be afraid. You know, when you when you

662
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 5: when they try to destroy you from the inside out,

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00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 5: and they've they've done everything they can to break you,

664
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 5: and you and you survive this absolutely not you know,

665
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: we're very faithful, we're Catholics. We really believe that you

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00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 5: get chosen for these these challenges. And God doesn't give

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00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 5: you challenges. They don't think that you can handle. And

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Speaker 5: I don't know what God chose us to do this.

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00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 5: And every day I would wake up and go, just

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00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 5: put me in the right direction. God, just put me

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Speaker 5: in the right direction, Just show me the path. I'll

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00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 5: do it. I'll do it. I'm not afraid. And you

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00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 5: have to have total blind faith in your faith to say, Okay,

674
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 5: these hits that are coming, these assaults that are coming,

675
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: these abuse that is coming, it's like the demons. It's

676
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 5: like it's really the darkest forces of our of humanity

677
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 5: coming at you. And that's your test of your faith.

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00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 5: So we really thank God for for everything, because it's

679
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: a true testimony to giving the opportunity it's such a

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00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: weird word, but an opportunity to do good and pay

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Speaker 5: it forward for the next group of people who may

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00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: need that faith, you know, maybe just they just need

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00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 5: to have some belief in their faith again. That if

684
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: you hold on and you fight hard, material things mean nothing,

685
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 5: they mean nothing. It's it's all about your heart and

686
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 5: your soul and doing for others. And that's what people remember,

687
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 5: right about what you've done for others on the planet,

688
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 5: the footprints you leave behind. And hopefully we've paved the

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Speaker 5: path for others to make a little easier for the

690
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Speaker 5: next group. Maybe the next prosecutor won't decide to lie

691
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 5: to the jury and make up evidence for the next

692
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: person just to create a case. Maybe they'll think twice

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Speaker 5: to go after an innocent person in the future. I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying that's gonna happen, but maybe maybe.

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Speaker 3: We can hope. We can hope you too. I end

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Speaker 3: every podcast saying, be brave and do good. And you

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Speaker 3: have done that in spank you and I'm so happy

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Speaker 3: to know you both know that you will be spending

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Speaker 3: Christmas as a family together.

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Speaker 4: Just adorable. Thank you so much and.

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Speaker 5: Merry Christmas, Enjoy, God bless.

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