1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Everyday Prayers podcast with Willian Praying Mom's. 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: My name is Nicolette Bell, and I am. 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: Glad to have my new friend Schelene Roberts on the 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: show with us today as we are having our little 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: Friday interviews. 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Selene, Welcome to the show. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Nicola. I am so truly honored 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 3: to be here. So I really appreciate you giving me 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 3: the time. 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to have you. 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: So, Selene, is a book coming out next month and 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: we are really excited about it. Sjelene, tell us about 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: your book, the title of it, and kind of what 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: it is about. 16 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's called when Motherine Is Hard and no 17 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 3: one sees where gritty meets glorious and God's eternal plan 18 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: for moms and it's all about just helping moms understand. 19 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: We go all the way back to the garden in 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: the in Genesis and we look at motherhood from the 21 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: very beginning and we follow it through to today and 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: we really look at God's plan for mom's what that 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: means for each of us where we are in the 24 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 3: here and the now. 25 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a she and I just prayed before 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: this episode Full Disclosure, and I said to her in 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: my prayer, like I had a night last night that 28 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: it felt like when motherhood is heard and no one sees. 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: I just identify so much with that title. 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: It makes me just so drawn to your work and 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: to your writing, because that's how I feel so much 32 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: of the time, and you've captured that in the title, 33 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: like maybe even a feeling that I didn't know how 34 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: to put words to you, and you kind of gave 35 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: me words for the way I was feeling even last night, 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: you know, and my husband's sick and just not feeling well. 37 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: We have a new born and there were dishes in 38 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: the seat and he wasn't settling down. And my husband 39 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: went to bed because he's exhausted and sick and working 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: through and my four year old was laying there. 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: I could see her on the monitor just with her eyes. 42 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: I've been in bed, you know, and like we're falling 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: over here and not anything extraordinary, just these ordinary things 44 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: of life that I just felt like, wow, tonight, it's 45 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: really hard and nobody nobody sees. So talk to us 46 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: about where that title came from and what it really 47 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: meant in your life or where that came out of. 48 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: In your Life. 49 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really tender title for me too, because 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: it's not just a book title, it's something that I've lived, 51 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: and the book really stemmed from my own experience in motherhood. 52 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: So we have five children eighteen, so I am right 53 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: now in that place where I'm still tending, you know, 54 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: younger kids, but I'm also getting ready to send my 55 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 3: son off to he's graduating this year. 56 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: He's a senior. He's going to go to college. 57 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: And we are in an interesting place a motherhood where 58 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: I don't have teeny tinies underfoot anymore. But when I 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: wrote that title, and I'll get to the title, how 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: it came to be. When when I wrote that, I 61 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: was at a point in motherhood. It was about a 62 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: decade and a half ago. We only had two children. 63 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: So our oldest is a boy, and we have four girls. 64 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: And so we had our son, I think he was 65 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: maybe three, and then we had our daughter, second born, 66 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: and I think she was maybe one, and I was 67 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: just at that point in motherhood where, you know, I 68 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: had been a magazine editor and a writer, and so 69 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: much of my value and my worth had really been 70 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: tied up in my job and my job description, and 71 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 3: before that it was performance with college or school or whatever. 72 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: And so when we found out we were expecting, I 73 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: wanted to step away from that editor's desk, from a 74 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: full time position at least, and I really wanted to 75 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: stay home with my children. That's just an option that 76 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: I felt like, we felt like it was best for 77 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: our family. 78 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: Obviously, everybody's situations are different. 79 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: But so here I was with these two little kids 80 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: at home, and I was in the midst of the 81 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: grit of it. I mean, dirty diapers, waking in the 82 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: middle of the night, you know, cheerio steck to the floor, 83 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: dishes overflowing the sink, writing on very little sleep, lots 84 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 3: of caffeine. My husband was traveling for work, so he 85 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: wasn't always there. We had two dogs. One was a 86 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: rescue and she barked all the time. It was just 87 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: all of the little things. And I remember I came 88 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: to a point I was in my bedroom must putting 89 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: the little one down, and I was just I was 90 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: starting to sink into a little bit of depression, just wondering, 91 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: is this what motherhood is all about? And is this 92 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: all that there is? And is the work that I'm doing? 93 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: Right now really going to make a difference. Is it 94 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: going to make a dimperance next week? And is it 95 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: got do to make a difference? You know, ten years 96 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: from now, fifty years from now, generations from now into eternity. 97 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: Is what I'm doing really going to make any kind 98 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: of difference at all? 99 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: Doesn't really matter. 100 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: And the Lord led me to the Book of Genesis, 101 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: and I was reading about Abraham and I was reading 102 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: this story of Hagar, and there's that scene where Hagar 103 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: gets kind of banished to the desert and she's just 104 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: she sabbing out there, and the Angel of the Lord 105 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: appears to her and he says, Hagar, God sees and 106 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: God had a really good plan for Hagar and for 107 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: her son, Ishmael. 108 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: He was going to make him. 109 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: He was going to be the father of many nations, 110 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: just like just like Abraham's son was. And I remember 111 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: just sitting there going God sees me in the midst 112 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: of this. He sees me when things are going really well, 113 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: and it's those monumental moments, but he also sees me 114 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: in the gritty work of it, and He is working 115 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 3: his good plans through all of this. And so I 116 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 3: pulled out my notepad app on my phone, and I 117 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 3: just threw this blog post together. And it really it 118 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: was not a very polished post. It was not something 119 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: that I had intended to write. It was just this 120 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: is where I am, and this is what I feel 121 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 3: like the Lord is teaching me, and here it is, 122 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: and I just put it on the notepad app, posted 123 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: that to my blog. I was blogging at the time, 124 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: on a blog hell Faith and Composition. I posted that 125 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: and that thing just started to take off. I mean, 126 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: and this was kind of before the days where you 127 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 3: didn't have Instagram reels going viral and that type of thing. 128 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: And I remember standing in the grocery store line and 129 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 3: I checked the stats in the blog posts and it 130 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: had I don't know, two hundred thousand views. And my 131 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: jaw just hit the floor because I realized that in 132 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 3: my own in my own moments of just being really 133 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: low and being a little bit depressed and really wondering 134 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: and questioning God on what is what is motherhood really about? 135 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: And how is it effectual? And am I really making 136 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: a difference, I realized that I wasn't alone. There were 137 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: so many other women who were feeling that. There were 138 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: so many other women who felt like they were serving 139 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: their family's needs, and they were serving their children, and 140 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: maybe they were waking up and going to work and 141 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: then you know, picking the kid up and then coming 142 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: home and doing all and they wondered, is the work 143 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: they're doing really being seen? Does it really make a difference? 144 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: And so that little that's where the title. So I 145 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: titled that blog post when mothering is hard and no 146 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: one sees. And over the next fifteen years, God has 147 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: really continued just to reveal his good plan for moms 148 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: to me, and so the book stemmed out of that 149 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: blog post, but also just my lived experiences with now 150 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 3: five children and continuing to just press into the Lord 151 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: and realize that his plans for motherhood are so much 152 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: better and so much they have so much more eternal 153 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: weight than we could really even imagine. 154 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: Right, Well, give us. 155 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: A little preview of that the what are some of 156 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: God's good plans for mothers that you talked about in 157 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: the book? Kind of give us a little something to 158 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: you and we know we want to get the whole 159 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: book to read all about it, but give us a 160 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: little teaser for the woman out there that doesn't feel 161 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: like what she's doing is making a difference. 162 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 163 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: So the main thing obviously, grab the book, you can 164 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: read it on the book. But the main thing is 165 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: I remember when I have little kids, and you know, 166 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: I would I would read about go and tell and 167 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: the commission that the Lord gave his disciples, or I 168 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: would read about, you know, just the mission field and 169 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: just the heart for a desperate world who's seeking Christ 170 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: and the need for these people to know Christ. And 171 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: I would read about that, and it felt like it 172 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: was go and tell means go to the ends of 173 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: the earth or go to the ends of the nation. 174 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: And for me, as a mom with young kids, I 175 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: felt like I was kind of missing out on that 176 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: or that didn't pertained to me. And I remember just 177 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: reading this, so you know, Jesus he goes through his 178 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: passion and then he's crucified, and then he's resurrected. And 179 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: the first people that Jesus, the resurrected Jesus appears to 180 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: resurrect to Christ appears to are women. 181 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: And he tells these women. 182 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: The very first time Jesus ever gives his commissional command 183 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: is he gives it to women, and he says. 184 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: Go and tell. 185 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: And I realized in that moment. Those women were not 186 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: going to the ends of the earth. Those women would 187 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: never go to the ends of the earth. Those women 188 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: went and told told the disciples, who then did go 189 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: and tell. 190 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: But those women didn't go to the ends of the earth. 191 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: And the command that He gave those women applied just 192 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: as much to me as it did to them and 193 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: to the disciples, And it applies just as much to 194 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 3: me within the walls of my own home as it 195 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: does to somebody who is going to go to the 196 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: ends of the earth. And I suddenly realized my mission 197 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: field is not necessarily It may be to go to 198 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: the ends of the earth, for sure, He may call 199 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 3: me to that, but my mission field is not necessarily 200 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: to go to the ends of the earth. Absolutely, as 201 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: a mom my mission field is to go to the 202 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: ends of my own home. And I started to realize 203 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: that motherhood is really a call to discipleship. God has 204 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: given us a mission field right in front of us, 205 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 3: and so many times we get we are so busy, 206 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: and we are so distracted, and there is an enemy 207 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: of our souls. I have a whole chapter on that 208 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: we dig into that pretty deeply. There's an enemy of 209 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: our souls He wants to deceive us, and he wants 210 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 3: to distract us, and we fall prey to that pretty easily. 211 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: And so it's really easy in our society today, with 212 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: so many messages bombarding our hearts and our minds, to 213 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: miss the mission of motherhood and just to go through 214 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: the motions of it. In reality, God has called us 215 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: when he sent his son to earth to put on flesh. 216 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: He sent his son to come through the vessel of 217 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: a mom, and so as moms, certainly I am not 218 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: saying that we take on the same role as Mary. 219 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying. However, He has ordained and 220 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: purposed moms to take on a missional role in the redemption. 221 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: Of his people. 222 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: If we could understand that, if we could really if 223 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 3: we could open our eyes to that, and we could 224 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: realize that and just be aware of the kingdom around 225 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: us and the calling of God upon us and the 226 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: Holy Spirit within us, we could have a really effectual ministry. 227 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: So I just have a real heart for moms to 228 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: understand that we have ministry and a mission field right 229 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: in front of us with our children, and we are 230 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: called to disciple these children so that we are called 231 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: to fill up with so that we could pour it 232 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: out to them, so that our kids can fill up 233 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: and pour it out to a desperate world who is 234 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: in need of the hope of Christ. 235 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. That's so beautiful. 236 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: I love that you point out that about the resurrection 237 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: and the women not going to then des I've never 238 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: thought about them before, Like they just go to their people, 239 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: like to write people that they're in community with, and 240 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: they share it right there, and that's exactly what Jesus 241 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: wanted them to do in that moment. So for somebody 242 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: who's listening to this and they hear this and they think, okay, like, yes, 243 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm on board with that, Like I believe that to 244 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: be true, that motherhood is this missional calling, or maybe 245 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: I've heard that for the first time and I'm kind 246 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: of wrapping my mind around that. I'm not sure about 247 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: that yet. What does that look like like in your 248 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 2: home practically? Like, what are some ways that you live 249 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: that out in your home? 250 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it obviously changes based on the stages of 251 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: your children. I think I was just saying this yesterday 252 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: and Bible study because I'm leading a group of women 253 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: at my church. We're going through the book. They're kind 254 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: of testing some of the discussion questions with me. So 255 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 3: it's been a great opportunity just to unpack the content 256 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: with women who are in all these different seasons. We 257 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: have grandmothers in the room too, and young moms, so 258 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: it's great that it definitely changes from season to season. 259 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: I remember when I when I was younger, I used 260 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: to think that what it looked like for me was 261 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: waking up in the morning before my children got up, 262 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: having my quiet time, sitting on the couch with my 263 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: Bible and maybe a little devotional and my coffee and 264 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: just this instagram worthy picture perfect picture of spending time 265 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: with the Lord, so that I could then teach my children. 266 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: And I've realized that's not what it necessarily means for me. 267 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: It adds and flows based on what my life looks 268 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: like right now, the stage we're in, and my children. 269 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: But the most important thing is we have to be 270 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: connected to the Vine and filling up on Christ. And 271 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: so I do go through three practices that we can 272 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 3: incorporate into our life practically, and so it's pray, abide, 273 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: and rest, and so we do go through those three 274 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: practices specifically, those have really been integral in my own life. 275 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: And so for prayer, I'll just go through all of 276 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: those three really quickly and share how they kind of 277 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 3: unfold in my life. But for prayer, obviously, it might 278 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 3: just be a quick This may be a quick prayer 279 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: in the car with my children before I'm dropping them 280 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: off at school, and it may be the same prayer 281 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: over and over and over, just you know, Lord, protect 282 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 3: my children, bless them, help them to be a blessing 283 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: to their students and their teachers. 284 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: And maybe something as simple as that. 285 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: It may be that when I'm making dinner, I'm praying 286 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 3: over the meal that I'm preparing the people who are 287 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: going to eat the meal, that they would be blessed 288 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: and that the Lord would reveal himself to them, that 289 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 3: kind of thing. But it also means I you know, 290 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: I've got a like I said, I've got a seventeen 291 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: year old son. We are thick in the middle of 292 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: colleges right now. He's he's in the process of making 293 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: his choice. We were just at a college campus this 294 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: past weekend, and it is really hard. 295 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: You look at your. 296 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: Baby who's been in your house for the past seventeen years, 297 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: and suddenly you realize you're sending them out into the world. 298 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: They're no longer going to be under your roof. They're 299 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: not going to be sitting down at your table tap 300 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: dinners with you. They're not going to be waking up 301 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: in the morning, you know, chiding their sisters. We just 302 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: had his last basketball game. I watched him walk out 303 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: of his last varsity basketball game for the last time. 304 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: It was so hard. 305 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: And so we're in the thick of watching my child 306 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 3: start to really take on wings and go out into 307 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 3: the world. And so what that means for me for 308 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: prayer is just being completely honest. I went up into 309 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: his room today just to straighten a few things, and 310 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: I just felt like the Lord said, just just get 311 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: on your knees and pray. And so I got on 312 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: my knees and I put my face on his bed 313 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 3: and I started to pray, and I felt like the Lord. 314 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: Said, no, face down, face down on the floor. 315 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: And I got face down on the floor in my 316 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: son's room and I just prayed and I cried, and 317 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: I just asked him Lord, guide his steps, direct him, 318 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: protect him. God, help him to be a blessing to 319 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: the teachers that he's going to encounter the professors and 320 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: the students, Would you give him light for the next path, 321 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: give us wisdom for the choices that we're making. So 322 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: it can look like prayer can look like a simple 323 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: prayer that you're praying, you know, in the carpool line, 324 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: or it can be something that's more impassioned like that 325 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: I know. 326 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: In Bible study. 327 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: I had a mom yesterday tell me that she has 328 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: started when she's nursing her baby, and I love this, 329 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: It's so sweet. She prays over her baby's like body parts, 330 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: and so she prays, God, bless bless her feet so 331 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: that she would have the feet that go and tell 332 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: bless her eyes so that her eyes would be open 333 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: to see, or goodness. Bless her tummy so that she 334 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: can taste and see that the good that the Lord 335 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: is good. Bless her hands so that she's so all 336 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: these there's so many different ways to incorporate prayer. It 337 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: doesn't have to be formulaic, and so many times as 338 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: a mom, it's hard to be formulaic. 339 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: And so that's what it looks like for me for prayer. 340 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: And then we have abiding, which is just finding time 341 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: to spend time with the Lord, and that could be 342 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: that you wake up before the children and you spend 343 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: quiet time. 344 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: That's not always the case for me, so I'll go through. 345 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: I mean just because I sometimes my son's sometimes waking 346 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: up at five am to start homework, and so that's 347 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: just not I have kids who are waking up at 348 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: all different times, so don't have quiet time where it's 349 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: just me. 350 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: And so sometimes I can get up and do that. 351 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: The other times it's me just going through a U 352 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: version plan on audio, or I'm just listening to the 353 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: scripture read out loud over me, or or I'm watching 354 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: you know, I'm watching a Bible study, or just putting 355 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: on praise and worship music and I'm making dinner. 356 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: That alone can change the entire tone of the house. 357 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: There are so many things that we can do that 358 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: help us just abide with the spirit of the Lord. 359 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: So that's important too, So praying, abiding, and then rest. 360 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: I mean, as a mom, we all we all need rest, 361 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: but it's not just a physical rest. We actually are 362 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: longing for a deep soul rest. And so for me, 363 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: part of that is Sabbath and understanding that God has 364 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: given us Sabbath is a gift. And so there's some 365 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: very specific things that we do in our family to 366 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 3: help kind of protect the Sabbath and so that our 367 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: bodies and our minds are both getting rest on the 368 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: Sabbath and then that sets us up for the week. 369 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: So those are the three practices that have helped me 370 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: practically and how they unfold in our family. And then 371 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: also just practices that I think are really practical for 372 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: you know, moms, but even anyone in general. 373 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's so good. 374 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: And I love what you had to say there about 375 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: prayer and abiding routines. And you know, I think sometimes 376 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: in my own life, like if my if it doesn't 377 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: look the way that I had in mind or what 378 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: I wanted it to look like, right, if I didn't 379 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 2: get to finish my reading for that day or to 380 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: do this exactly the way, then it's easy for me 381 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: to just like, well, I'll drag in tomorrow instead of no, 382 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: it didn't look perfect, But like, how can I come 383 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: back to the Lord this afternoon before I start the 384 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: chaos of dinner or before I go to bed, just 385 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: taking a minute to reset and to think about him 386 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: and remember, you know, the ways that he had been 387 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: faithful that day, and just I think sometimes for me 388 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: in motherhood specifically, it's like, you know, I have a 389 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: newborn now where I have a four year old daughter. 390 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: So I was just kind of coming out of those 391 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: toddlurish years where I was feeling like I was more 392 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: in control of our schedule again and. 393 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: All these things and all that. 394 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 4: You know, it's back up in the air again with 395 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 4: the baby, and so it's like having to adjust back 396 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 4: to that and just going you know, it may not 397 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 4: look like what I had in mind, it's not about 398 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 4: what I had in mind, and I need to release 399 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: that and give myself some grace sometimes absolutely, just the 400 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 4: Lord just wants me, however I show up right and 401 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 4: not that he's not holy and and does deserve our 402 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 4: first fruits and we have to give him. But he 403 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: would rather us come than not come at all. Right, Absolutely, 404 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 4: so I just keep having to I feel like I've 405 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: been telling myself that lately, of going okay, like and 406 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 4: maybe it didn't look like that today, but like, try 407 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 4: keep connecting, keep abiding, keep keep absolutely coming back to 408 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 4: the vine, to the source of nourishment, because I think 409 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: so often we can we can. 410 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: Just go no, it's okay, or I'll just try again. Tomorrow, 411 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: and then tomorrow comes and the same thing happens. And 412 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: then then we look out and we're a week out 413 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: from spending any time with the Lord or praying at 414 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: all because the prayer didn't look like what we thought 415 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: it was going to look like. It's like, no, we 416 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: just have to keep showing up even when whatever it 417 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: looks like in this season, because the Lord does see us, 418 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: and he is honored by our hearts that want to 419 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: come before him, Right, that's. 420 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: You're just thinking about that. I guess I'm feary today. 421 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 3: What a beautiful picture that we get to show our 422 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: children when we do eight Because if we are constantly 423 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 3: just trying to keep a perfect religion, then our children 424 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: are not going to experience Christ through our lives. But 425 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 3: if we show our children Christ doesn't want my perfection, 426 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: I will never be perfect. If I was perfect, Jesus 427 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: did not have to die in the cross. I can 428 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: never be perfect. I will never be perfect. Jesus does 429 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: not want my perfection. He wants my surrender. And if 430 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: I can show my children you know what, I mess 431 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: up and I make mistakes, but I keep coming back 432 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: to Christ because He keeps pursuing me. Christ continues to 433 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: pursue me in spite of myself. And because He is 434 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: such a good God who continues to pursue me and 435 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: pursues my heart, I want to have a relationship with him. 436 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: I want to be in relationship with him. 437 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: And so it's just such a beautiful thing to show 438 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 3: our children and too, like, no I mess up. Yeah, 439 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: I missed my quiet time yesterday. But that's okay because 440 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: God is still pursuing me, and I'm going to meet 441 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 3: with him. I'm going to meet with him in the car, 442 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: or I'm going to meet with him in my prayer closet, 443 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 3: or I'm going to go have a coffee with a 444 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: friend and we're going to talk about this passage of scripture, 445 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 3: and I'm going to meet with him there. God, God 446 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: never leaves us, He never forsakes us. His kingdom is 447 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: around us. It sustains and fulfills us. All the time. 448 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: We just get distracted and so many times we can 449 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 3: miss it. And so my prayer has just recently really 450 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 3: has been Lord, open my eyes, Open my eyes so 451 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: that I can see the kingdom that's around us, the 452 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: kingdom that sustains us and fulfills us. 453 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's hard, it's hard, 454 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: but it's good and beautiful and at the same time. 455 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: Right well, Selene, thank you so much for being with 456 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: us today. 457 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: Friends. 458 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: We're going to have Selene back next week on the 459 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: podcast and we're going to talk through a few a 460 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: few more details coming out of her book. I know 461 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: I feel refreshed from our conversation today, and I think 462 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: that our sinners will as well find when mothering is hard. 463 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 2: And no one sees anywhere that books are sold for 464 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: pre order, and we want you to do that so 465 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 2: that you can be sure and get it as soon 466 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: as it comes out, because we need these truths and 467 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 2: this encouragement in our lives. So Shalen, thanks so much 468 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: for joining us today, and I just appreciate you. 469 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: It's been privilege. Thank you so much. 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