1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Later in the hour, the Colonel himself, Kurt Schlichter, senior 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: columnist at town Hall. Always a fun conversation. Kurtk. Slichter 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: is going to stop by for a wide arranging conversation. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: But for now, our minds are still on the ever 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: escalin situation in Minnesota, this standoff between the federal government 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: and the many states. It's been going on in Minnesota 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: now for weeks, and there is an on again, off 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: again threat as to what exactly will happen. On the 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: one hand, President Trump sometimes offering a somewhat conciliatory tone 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to his communications with Governor Tim Walls 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: and various other officials. They are in the state of Minnesota, 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: which really has become ground zero, ground zero of the 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Democrat led refusal refusal to be governed by the federal government, 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: by the national government of the United States during this 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: second Donald Trump reign. On the one hand, Trump offering 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: some conciliatory rhetoric gestures and other indications. On the other hand, 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: he is still sometimes strending to invoke various legal remedies 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: and statutes that would be able to permit him to 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: crack down and try to enforce federal immigration law and 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: perhaps other law, even more so than he has already done. 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: We view this conflict here on the show as being 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: fundamentally just a reprisal of the Civil War, Yes, the 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: actual Civil War itself. We're coming up now, just a 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. We're coming up on Abraham's birth Abraham 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: Lincoln's birthday. I know that because it's my birthday as well. 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: So we're coming up on Abraham Lincoln's birthday. And Abraham 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: Lincoln fought and lived and ultimately died, ultimately died to 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: secure the proposition not just that chattel slavery was a 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: moral abomination that should be consigned to the ashub of history. 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: He obviously did feel that way in eighteen fifty four 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: when Abraham Lincoln gave a famous speech in Peoria, Illinois, 33 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: a speech that was followed a few years later by 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: his famous race for office in Illinois. Those debates against 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Stephen Douglas for that Senate seat. In eighteen four, Lincoln 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: said that the relevant question when it comes to black 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: men is not whether or not there is majority. Might 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: makes rife style sentiments to have them be freed or slaves. Rather, 39 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: Lincoln said, the relevant question is whether he is or 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 1: is not the man. And to be sure, the CIVI 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: War was fought on those grounds predominantly, but it was 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: definitely fought on a secondary level to establish the notion 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: that states, municipalities, and localities do not have the right 44 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: to simply say we don't like federal law, we're not 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: going to enforce it. That's what has been happening for weeks, 46 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: for literally weeks now, you know, when these so called 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 1: sanctuary jurisdictions first start cropping up during Donald Trump's term 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: the first time, from twenty seventeen twenty twenty one. I 49 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: had thought back then, too, how could you not How 50 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: could you be a jurisdiction where you just play yourself 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: a place where federal law does not apply. It makes 52 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: no sense, It makes no sense unless until you realize 53 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: that the goal is actually too you guessed it, secede, 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: maybe not literally secede, but at least de facto, to 55 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: secede in all but name only. And that really is 56 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: extraordinarily dangerous stuff, dangerous because it was the basis for 57 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: the bloodiest Internet line conflict in this nation's history. Now 58 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: a lot of folks, a lot of folks are looking 59 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: at this standoff, They're looking at mixed polling. There was 60 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: this poll about a week ago that showed that Donald 61 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: Trump's immigration enforcement issue still has a net approval rating 62 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: of at least plus three per New York Times CNA, 63 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: one of the best poles in the country. On the 64 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: other hand, Harry Enton, recent guests from the Josh Hammer Show. 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Harry Enton, the polling data guru over at CNN, did 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: have another recent poll showing that apparently just ICE, like 67 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: the agency ICE itself, has an approval rating at this 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: time for the American people of twenty seven points underwater, 69 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: which is obviously deeply problematic if that is true. But 70 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: the relevant point we'll definitely get to this with Kurt 71 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: Schlichter when he joins the show later on the hour. 72 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: The relevant point is this, there are some things. This 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: is also a Lincoln point. There are some things that 74 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: are simply too important to just lick your finger and 75 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: see what's happening with the prevailing win, prevailing opinion. Sometimes 76 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: you have to actually do what is right. For the 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: sake of doing what is right. The rule of law 78 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: withers when it is not enforced, so Hoole decide the 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: fact that I'm not really buying the notion of the 80 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: politics are just so so terrible when it comes to 81 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: this issue. You have to do the right thing. But 82 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: the politics are indeed a mixed bag, and there's a 83 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: lot of people that are freaking out about this. They're 84 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: the tryer to see what's happening in the midterms this fall. 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: I continue to think that I'm a great is not 86 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: a political loser when it comes to the Trump mystery, 87 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: and I think I think that it continues to be 88 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: a political toss up at worst and probably in the margin, 89 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: is actually still a political winner. Again, we have some 90 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: recent polling from New York Times, sea Onta won of 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: the best polls in the country. To bat that up 92 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: as far as other issues that are affecting the midterms here, 93 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: because that's really number one plus a year into the 94 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: Trump ministration, I'm really starting to think about the midtrum 95 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: elections as fault other issues that are playing out there. 96 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: I do think that Donal Trump's foreign policy is going 97 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: to have an effect when it comes to the midterms. 98 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: It ultimately is the economy stupid. More on that in 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: just a second, but the foreign policy definitely does have 100 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: a say on it. Certainly Donald Trump's operation in Venezuela 101 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: to extract oust Nicholas Maduro try him for his narco 102 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: terrorism crimes in New York City. This continues to stand 103 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: off against the Iranian regime in the Middle East. There 104 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: lots of chatter, lots of chatter about the Trump minstration 105 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: possibly eyeing an ouster of the horrific Castro Communist dictatorship 106 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: just fifty to sixty miles off the Floridian coast there 107 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: in the island of Cube. What an absolute game changer 108 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: that would be when it comes to the Monroe doctrine 109 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: and the Western hemisphere more generally, to get that cancerous 110 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: Marxist Leninist Russian Chinese ally out of out of the Caribbean. 111 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that would just be an incredible game changer there, 112 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: for sure. Lots and lots to focus on. Healthcare continues 113 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: to be one issue that Republicans need to do a 114 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 1: little bit better on. I've interviewed numerous Republican congressmen recently 115 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: who have said, Josh you Noah, we're working behind the scenes, 116 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: is going to be a major healthcare plan forthcoming. I 117 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: haven't quite seen what that looks like yet. I look 118 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: forward to seeing the details because that I do think 119 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: that healthcare is an issue that frankly punches above its 120 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: weight when it comes to the mid term elections. Healthcare, 121 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: along with inflation, affordability, cost of building, these are the 122 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: things that really Americans think about on a day day basis, 123 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: and those really fundamentally are the major issues the American 124 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: people will go to the polls and vote on this fall. 125 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: They also don't love obstructs, and last night checked the 126 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: government is going to actually shut down yet again and 127 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: run out of money this weekend unless there are a 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: series of bills or at least a cr continuing resolution 129 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: that is signed Friday evening at midnight technically Saturday morning 130 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: at twelve one am, because that if that doesn't happen, 131 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: the government will yet again and run out of money. 132 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Stop me if you've heard this before. This literally goes 133 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: back to just a few months ago in October into November, 134 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: there was the longest shutdown in the history of the 135 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: United States. And what a failure of leadership, What a 136 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: failure of prudence. What It's a total complete failure that 137 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: we are here yet again on the prespise of a 138 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: possible of another government shutdown. Chuck Schumer, the leader of 139 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: the Democrats in the Senate, is threatening to shut it 140 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: down because he objects to the recent the reappropriations bill 141 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: that passed the Mike Johnson led the US House when 142 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: it comes to funding for the Partnerfulemand security, and for ice. 143 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: Above all, yes, they are willing to shut down the 144 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: federal government because they do not like to enforce federal 145 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: immigration law. The irony of all ironies here is that Congress. 146 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: You're in Congress. You can change the law if you 147 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: don't want to enforce immigration law. Change the law. You 148 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: can repeal a statute, you can amend a statute. What 149 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: you can't do, or what you really shouldn't do, is 150 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: shut it down because you don't life the way that 151 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: the executive branch is enforcing the law that your own 152 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: predecessors passed in Congress. It's just extraordinary, extraordinary stuff. But ultimately, 153 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: the Republicans are going to see some success here at 154 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: the midterms this fall. And I am not a black pailar. 155 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: You look at the generic ballot, generic R versus Generic D. 156 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: Right now, it's d's plus two and plus three depending 157 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: on the poll there, it's basically a toss up. Typically, 158 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: speaking opposition party usually wins some seats in the Congress 159 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: in that presidential first off year election, that first menster election. 160 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: There are very very few instances where that does not happen. 161 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Two thousand and two being one example. President Bush's Republicans 162 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: did it very well well in those midterms because the 163 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: country was still having that whole rally around the flag 164 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: effect following nine to eleven, following the war on terrorism 165 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and so forth there. But that's very much 166 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: the exception, not the rule. Typically, speaking out of power 167 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: party does pick up seats. The Republicans arena have to 168 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: find a way to try to shrink this gap in 169 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: the polling between Americans say and how they feel about 170 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: the economy versus what the actual objective metrics and data 171 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: say about the comedy. There's a real delta. The data 172 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: are really good, people subjectively don't seem to love the 173 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: way it's going, at least sometimes the polster it's a 174 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: bit of a mixed bad. They're solving that delta and 175 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: making sure that people feel what the data say. That's 176 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: the number one thing that could go a long way 177 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: towards towards solving solving some Republican gains and staving Austin 178 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: Democrat wins at the ballot box this fall. More than that, 179 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: and more certainly as well with Kurch Schlichter. But for now, 180 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: just a final note here before we go to our 181 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: first commercial break of today's program, just a bit of 182 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: a personal note. I have not owned a home yet, 183 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: but my wife and I now we we recently went 184 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: home shopping and we toured some homes, kind of one 185 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: of those welcome to adulthood formally moments there, and yeah, 186 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: I'm thirty six years old. We have a daughter. It's 187 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: probably about time. Frankly, probably should have been time a 188 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: while ago. But you know, you grow up, I suppose 189 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: when you grow up, and you know, you know what 190 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: a process. And this really does kind of play on 191 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: the affordability costs living topic that we were just talking 192 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: about there when it comes to the INTERN election this fall. Now, 193 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a particularly good example because I live in 194 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: South Florida, which, at least since the COVID nineteen influx. 195 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Here under Rama Sants's excellence leadership, Florida and South Florida 196 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: and Tampa, the mimmyful. Laurida on four and Tampa areas 197 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: have become some of the hottest real estate markets in 198 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: the country. So as far as the actual ex'es knows, 199 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: the prices are concerned here, you know, I'm not necessarily 200 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: the best example. These home prices are are obscene, to 201 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: put them mildly, and I can't help but think that 202 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: if we lived somewhere else, somewhere else, that maybe you 203 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: could get you know, just just a gargantuan estates for 204 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: this kind of price tag. But okay, be that as mey, 205 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: the main reason that we are here in Florida is because, well, 206 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: primarily speaking, we really just love Florida. We also have 207 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: family nearby, my in laws, my wife's parents live nearby 208 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: their very strong Jewish community here, and it's been something 209 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: of a reminder to me that the sticker price is 210 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: not always the most important thing in any decision of life, 211 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: whether it's buying a home, whether it's buying anything else. 212 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: The most important things in life are God, family, community, 213 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: and country. Those the most important things there, and sometimes 214 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: that does mean sacrificing room or paying some sort of 215 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: premium in order to properly prioritize your life there. So 216 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot to say on the home process, but 217 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: these are some of the thoughts that I've been having recently. 218 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: My wife and I are starting to look towards our 219 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: very first home. Folks, staying with us through the break. 220 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: Right on the other side, we'll be joined by the 221 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: Colonel Kurt Schlichtor of town Hall. Stay with us, We'll 222 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: be right back. Welcome back. So it's a thrill and 223 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: DDA thrilled to be joined now by my good friends 224 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: Kirsch Schlitzer. Chris Seltzer is a senior columnist for town 225 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: Hall and also a recently retired lawyer. And Kurt, as 226 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: I think you and I both know as attorneys, oftentimes 227 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: the happiest layers out there are those who have recently retired. 228 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: So congratulations on your recent resignation from the law firm 229 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: and welcome welcome back to the Josh Hammershow we really 230 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 231 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me appreciate. 232 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: It, you bet so, Kurt. A lot to get to. 233 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: I want to begin with. This standoff is continued now 234 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: weeks long standoff between the Dontre administration, the federal government, 235 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: and what I have been referring to as this neo 236 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: Confederate insurrectionist uprising in the states of Minnesota. If you 237 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: try to again put on your legal cap there go 238 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: back to the arguments that they're making. Federal law does 239 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: not apply here States Rights tenth amendments. I can't help 240 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: but get this feeling that they're trying to relitigate the 241 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: Civil War or about a century of Jim Crow and 242 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: the response that surely has to be just doubling down. 243 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: You can't give You can't get these people an inch, 244 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: can you? I mean, I mean, how does this end? 245 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: How does the standoff end? In your view? 246 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: Look, I think they're already backing down this. You know, 247 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: you had Tim Waltz called the President and ask, you know, 248 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: can we do something about this. Trump wasn't going to 249 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: back down. Trump understands that if he allows himself to 250 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: be humiliated by these communist scumbags, this is going to 251 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: happen in every blue state. Look, they're looking to create 252 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: a template for how they don't have to obey federal law, 253 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: and that that kind of dovetails with the underlying premise 254 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump and the votes of the millions and 255 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: millions of Americans who elected and president are don't care 256 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: out and that his exercise of power is inherently illegitimate. 257 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 2: So this does have to be crushed. The proper outcome 258 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: is that Minnesota both stops its sanctuary city crap starts 259 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: doing what police officers should do, which is maintaining order 260 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: when federal law enforcement attempts to maintain order, and ends 261 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: all this harassment and especially the attempts to block the 262 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: investigation of the massive fraud that the Democrats in Minnesota have, 263 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: if not actively participated and actively ignored. I don't know 264 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: if Tim Waltz can actually do all that. We'll see. 265 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: So this is actually very important points and I'll lop 266 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: he'll forget this is that the reason that the Christyn 267 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: Noam led to partner Hoolemandsecurity is in Minneapolis in the 268 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: first place has to do with the response to the 269 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: Somali fraud scandal. The ann that they were going in 270 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: essentially days if not hours after the Nick Shirley YouTube 271 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: video started racking up millions of millions of views and 272 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: exposing the degree of this these billions of dollars in 273 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: taxpayer fraud by this this predominantly Somali community there in Minneapolis. 274 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: There So there seems to me to be no shortage 275 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: of connections that one can can draw there. I don't 276 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: really know exactly what's in the water Kurt in Minnesota. 277 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is where George Floyd had had his 278 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: fatal running with Derek Chauvin bat back in twenty twenty there. 279 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean President Trump is molling a 280 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: lot of options there. He's getting a lot of bad advice. Here. 281 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: I think he's getting a lot of bad advice. I 282 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: saw the Wall Street Journal editorial board came out in 283 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: favor of trying to pull back immigration from Minnesota. But again, 284 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean my mentality, I think your mentality too, is 285 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: you can't keep these people an inch. I mean, the 286 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: federal law simply must be enforced. And ultimately I think 287 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: that the blood for people like Renee Good and Preddy, 288 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: the guy who who was killed this past weekend there, 289 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: the blood is ultimately on the hands of the demagogues 290 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: of those who are trying to incite this violence. In 291 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: other words, the democrat established in the first place. Is 292 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: that a little hyperbolic or is that more or less 293 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: how you see it too? 294 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: No, you're correct, And one of the things I refuse 295 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: to do. And one of the things a lot of 296 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: the invertebrate Republicans do is, well, let's look at this 297 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: two seconds of video, real slow, frame by frame. Okay, 298 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,479 Speaker 2: it's not a two second incident, it's a multi year incident. 299 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: The incident began when the Democrats decided to ignore the 300 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: laws that are representatives democratically enacted and a president signed. 301 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: And then they let twenty million Third World invaders into 302 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: the country. And then they attempted actively and passive aggressively 303 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: to keep the federal government from enforcing those democratically elected 304 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: laws and deporting them. Oh and they also winked at 305 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: or participated in massive, massive fraud, particularly in the Somali community. 306 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: And then they pulled the police back so that the 307 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: police weren't helping to provide security for this law enforcement operation. 308 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: And then, as the signal information is showing, senior people 309 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: associated with the Walls administration in the city government are 310 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: apparently coordinating with these people who come out to create 311 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: a scene to actively disrupt in a giant information operation 312 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: to stop law enforcement. So you can't talk about the 313 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 2: see all that happens, right, And they set the state 314 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: on purpose to create a photogenic incident and then the 315 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: borderline clinical morons on the right, and we know who 316 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: they are. To Jim Comer, for instance, start trying to 317 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: analog but we named an investigation analyze screen by screen 318 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: to make were that the federal officer was absolutely perfect 319 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: with the full benefit of hindsight. And you know CSI 320 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: dunt analysis. I refuse to play that game. 321 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: It's a game that we should all refuse to play. There, 322 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean, and by the way, folks, again we're chating 323 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: with Kurs Schlichter, a senior columnists at town Hall, prolific author. 324 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: Follow him on x at Kurs Schlichter. But like you, 325 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: I refuse to play this game as well. I mean, 326 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: think about an analogy to wartime. I mean, because one 327 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: soldier and the fog of war and the heuthan moments, 328 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: maybe misfires and makes a decision that was not backed 329 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: up by protocol or s standard operating procedure or whatever. 330 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: If one soldier makes one mistake, does that cast into 331 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: doubt the legitimacy of the entire war effort? I mean, 332 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: it's completely insane. But one of your thoughts also on 333 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: the politics of this there again, I have some friends 334 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: in college frankly on the right who are very hawkish 335 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: on immigration, some of whom are just saying, okay, even 336 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: if this is justified, the politics are really turning around 337 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: these videos. The media, they're all turning this into a 338 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: political boon for Democrats, whereas in the twenty twenty four election, 339 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: immigration was a huge political benefit for Donald Trump. There 340 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: So does the political calculation change your mind at all? 341 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it affects my thought process very much, 342 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: but maybe you see a little differently. I'm curious. 343 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: I think it's bad for us in the short term 344 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: because moderate you know, independence who don't pay my Oh 345 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: some guy got shot. That seems weird, right, And of 346 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: course the context isn't the context. The context is this 347 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: small narrow thing, you know, was his hand, you know, 348 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: at thirty two degrees and a shadow cast did it 349 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: look like the guy came out looking for trouble and 350 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: founder But normal people in the short term we're not 351 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: going to see that. But in the longer term they're 352 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 2: going to start asking questions like, well, why did a 353 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: homeboys show up to get in a fight with a gun? 354 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: And I looked when I legally can't I carry a 355 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: gun everywhere? You know what I don't do when I 356 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: carry a gun, gets guideways with law enforcement exactly. Okay, 357 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: because I'm not an idiot. In the longer term, people 358 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: are gonna say, well, you know, I don't really think 359 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: all this whistle and stuff. You know, that's that's this 360 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: kind of weird and creepy. And of course Democrats always 361 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: overstepped too. So I think in the long term it'll 362 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: be fine. If Trump allows himself to be humiliated, which 363 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: is what it would be. It would be a submission 364 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: on par with Ned Baty in deliverance if he pulled 365 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 2: out of Minnesota. And he's not going to do that 366 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: because he understands that because Donald Trump, unlike other you know, 367 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 2: many of our fellow people in the Republican Party, has 368 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: been in a fistfight before. Okay, he understands how the 369 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: game is played. But you know, you know, of course 370 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: Tom tillis, of course Bill Cassidy leaded an investigation, and 371 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: we need to work together for better tomorrow. Looks stupid. 372 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: Your premise is you're operating about with in an environment 373 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: where your opposition is acting in good faith. Okay, this 374 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: pretty guy could be on video seure. This is a 375 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: notarized document where I intend to go murder ice agents 376 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 2: and that would not change a thing nothing. You are 377 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: not going to talk them into not hating you and 378 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: calling you Nazis. You need to understand who these people are. 379 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: It is an information operation designed to target the weak 380 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: Bill Cassidy, Jim Comer, Tom Tillis and create pressure on 381 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: us to submit, which will be followed by more demands 382 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: for submission. 383 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: More demands of submission, and more fitting the flames of law, 384 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: of anarchy and insurrection. 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So 410 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: we continue our conversation with Kurt Schlichter, senior columnists for 411 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: a town Hall, prolific author and perhaps most most notably, 412 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: a recently retired attorney, where I wish in the best 413 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: of luck in his quasi retirement. Kurt, I want to 414 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: shift gears a little bit. Before the break, we were 415 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: talking a lot about these recent standoffs in Minnesota and 416 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: ice and immigration and this neo Confederate nonsense that the 417 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: Democrats are doing much like their partisan forebears were doing 418 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: about a century and a half ago or so. I 419 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: want to switch gears a little bit and talk about 420 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: the midterms this fall, because again these issues relate. Is 421 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: that a lot of folks are getting really caught up 422 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: in the polling on the immigration issue. And to be clear, 423 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: the polling is not nearly as dire as the Pannikins 424 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: make it out to me. There was actually a recent 425 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: New York Times CNA College poll that had Trump's immigration 426 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: agenda pulling favorably. And that's a very very reputable polster. 427 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: New York Times sin the polling geeks and nerds love, 428 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: love love that pulster, So I'm not really buying it 429 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: on its own terms, but it has kind of kind 430 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: of galvanized this whole broader midterm election conversation. What is 431 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: your general assessment of the states of the midterm e race? 432 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: Right now? The buzzword of the day seems to be affordability, 433 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: and you're talking fourth break about media information operations. The 434 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: media loves this term affordability. Unfortunately, it seems to be 435 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: at least some semblance of truth in what American people 436 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: are telling polsters. It's belied by the actual economic data 437 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: there but a lot of mixed signals. So how do 438 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: you view the midterms from an economic perspective, immigration perspective? 439 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: Really just also in general, I suppose. 440 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: Well, look, the Democrats are hoping that their fantasy about 441 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: immigration is going to leave them to victory in November. 442 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: These dead communists are going to be about his friend 443 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: and centers, Cindy Sheehan. And that's within a month. Okay, 444 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: it isn't going to matter. What's going to matter is 445 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 2: solely the economy, and the economy is economy is great 446 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: for guys like me. I've got big four oh one ky. 447 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: I watch it go up every single day. It's fine, 448 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: it's going to again, it trickle down. Well, you know, 449 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: if you've already got something, you're doing fun. Now, what 450 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk taught us all and I think his most 451 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: important contribution is you're going to look at the young 452 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: people and understand that it is not the work guys 453 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 2: like me, it's not the world that you grew up in, 454 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: which is you know, takes a little bit of recalculation 455 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 2: for us. But in some ways it's very true, and 456 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 2: that what's going to matter is whether people who have 457 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: not yet achieved what they're trying to achieve feel like 458 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: either they have or on their way to, or have 459 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: the opportunity to. And this is you know, I say 460 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 2: this a lot because I grew up. I was a 461 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: young guy in the a I went to college in 462 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: the eighties, and I started my career in the nineties, 463 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: and every day I woke up excited because there were 464 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 2: no limits. You just had. There was just a vibe 465 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: where you assume the economy is going to be pretty good, 466 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: not perfect all the time, but you couldn't make it. 467 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: And there are people pushing forty years old who've never, 468 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 2: except for about a year or so before COVID with Trump, 469 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: never felt that one. That's the feeling we have to 470 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: get back. And fortunately that we know what happens with 471 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: conservative economic programs because we saw it with Trump the 472 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: first time, and we saw it with Roer Reagan. I 473 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: saw it with my own eyes. You have a while 474 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: where you're cleaning up the Democrats mess and then things 475 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: start rocking. Now they're already starting to rock. You look 476 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: at the numbers, and if you're just going off the numbers, 477 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 2: we're heading the right direction, no question. But numbers don't 478 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 2: drive votes. People's impressions do. Will be impression by June 479 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: or July be that things are looking up. I think 480 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: they will, But that's really what's going to determine the midterms. 481 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: Well, it is many many months at this point there, 482 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: and I totally agree with you that when all of 483 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: a sudden done. I mean, we're big fans here on 484 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: the show. Ironically, we're big fans of the Jimmy Carvell rule. 485 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: We're not big fans of Jimmy Carvell, but Jimmy Carvill 486 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: fundamentally had it right with this whole. It's the economy, 487 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: stupid quick. There's something of this disconnect that I just 488 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: can't quite put my finger on between the economic data, 489 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: which are really quite strong. I mean, four point four 490 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: percent quarterly growth recently, highest quarterly GDP growth number in 491 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: two or more years. Gas prices have declined precipitously, precipitously 492 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: since his administration, to go over inflation, very very reasonable, 493 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: manageable virtually everybody you can imagine an economy, it seems 494 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: to be going maybe it's not the greatest commony ever, 495 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: but it's pretty good. It's pretty good as far as 496 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: these things go. And the American people just continue to 497 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: tell pollsters mixed things. So this is the big conundrum 498 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: that I don't pretend to have all the answers to, 499 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: is trying to solve this delta between subjective how people 500 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: feel and what least the numbers appeared to me. But 501 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: on that note, Kurt, I also want to talk a 502 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: little bit with you about twenty twenty eight handicapping. It's 503 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: although you had a recent column, and again, folks, we're 504 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: chatting with Kirt Schlichter. Follow him on x at Kurt Schlichter, 505 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: read his prolific work at town hall dot com. I 506 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: saw that you had a recent column about Jdevance, our 507 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: vice president, who, by any stretch imagination, is certainly the 508 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: front runner for the Republican nomination in twenty twenty eight. 509 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Let's start there, and then we'll talk about the Democrat situation, 510 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: time permitting. When it comes to the Republicans, do you 511 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: think that Jad Evans has this thing basically sewn up? 512 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, is getting a 513 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: lot of attention, a lot of play. His stocks seems 514 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: to be skyrocketing there. It's not entirely clear yet fight 515 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: how much he wants the job. He's kind of playing 516 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: a little KOI perhaps there. How do you handicap the 517 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: Republican side of the aisle for twenty twenty eight? 518 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: This time I was a big fan of Ron DeSantis. 519 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: I don't think he sees next time as his time. 520 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: Marco Rubio has done a one to eighty from embracing 521 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: amnesty and basically throwing his career in the toilet to 522 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: coming around and reproving himself. But if I'm Marco Rubio, 523 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: I look at jd Vance and I realize jd Vance 524 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: is probably going to walk into this nomination. Jd Vance 525 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: is also going to walk into the woodschipper of a fight. 526 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty eight is you know when you have a 527 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: two term president? And Trump's effectively a two term president. 528 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: I guess he's akin to one in the sense he's 529 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: been out in public for twelve years. So are people 530 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: looking for a change? You know? Do you want to 531 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: have that fight? Do you want to be the guy 532 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: who does that fight? Roco Rubio's young enough to be 533 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: able to say, well, if he you know, I could 534 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: be vice president. If he loses, I can run in 535 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: thirty two. If he wins, I can run in thirty six. 536 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: So I think, if you're just being you know, strategic, 537 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: this isn't Marco's time, and I don't think the base 538 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: is there for Marco Gus time. I think it's JD's 539 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: to lose. But JD has got I think he needs 540 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: a primary. I would like to see somebody like Ted 541 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: Cruz jump in. I would, although I think Ted Cruz 542 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: has some issues in the general. I want to see 543 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: steel sharpened steel right. I want to see him tested. 544 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: I want to see his organization tested. I don't want 545 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: to I don't. We saw what happened when somebody got 546 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: handed the nomination on a silver platter. Unnecessary mistakes, you know, 547 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: bad coordination. Now, i'd like to see him have a primary, 548 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: although if he has a choice, he's not going to 549 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: have one. Let's see what happens for sure. 550 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now we're definitely big fans of Steel sharp and 551 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: steel here on the show as well. Ted Cruz, what 552 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: it's worth, you might not have a very high chance, 553 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: but he's talking a lot certainly about getting into the race. 554 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: So it's probably a pretty good chance he does, because 555 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: he's making a lot of noise about it. There just 556 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: a few seconds left before I go there, who is 557 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight front runner for the Democrats and why. 558 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: I get a lot of grief for this, But I 559 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: think it's Kamala Harris. 560 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: Uh, including brief of yours truly when we got dinner view. 561 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: Yesday, Dodds saving that dogs are against it, Bartie Heighty, Hey, 562 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: stop it. It's Kamala, Kamala. It's not Gannon Newsome. 563 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: Uh. 564 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: Look, Kamala Harris. The Democrats, first of all, have talked 565 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: themselves into it was Trump's lies and probably Russians that 566 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: stole the election from the most qualified woman ever Part two, 567 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: Electric Locals, Because he's a Remember Hillary Clinton was the 568 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: most qualified person ever. She is a woman of color, 569 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: a BIPOK person in the Democrat Party. And at the 570 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: end of the day, Gavin Newsom is like a log 571 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: great version of James Spader in the nineteen eighties teenage 572 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: you know sex comedy. He's he's a white guy. Okay. 573 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: Romney looks at him and goes, gosh, I feel actimate. 574 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 2: Especially if the Democrats have South Carolina, which where black 575 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: women have a huge disproportionate influence. But black women have 576 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: a huge disproportionate influence throughout the Democrat Party. They're solidly 577 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: behind her, fair enough. 578 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: I hear a lot unclear on that. I mean it 579 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: partly just thinks that she got wallbed so Bailey that 580 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: they won't roll the dice again. But many Democrats just 581 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: haven't learned their lessons. Certainly in Minnesota we see they 582 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: haven't learned the lesson from the John C. Calhoun era. 583 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: Kirt Schlichter always a pleasure to shout with me, my friend, 584 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: follow him on x at kirsch Schlichter, read his prolific 585 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: work at town Hall where he's a senior columnist, and 586 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: stay with us through this break. Folks, you're watching the 587 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: Josh Hammer Show. We'll be right back on the other 588 00:32:52,240 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: side with much more. Thanks to the Colonel Kurt Schlichter 589 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: for stalking by. You know it's funny. I had to 590 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: end the conversation by asking Kert for his handicapping of 591 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: the Democratic side of the Ledger for twenty twenty eight. 592 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: Because I was out in Los Angeles just about a 593 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: week and a half ago or so, I spoke for 594 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: the David Horwitz Scream Center, where I am now a 595 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: Shilman fellow. I actually sat in with our Salem colleague 596 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: Glarry Elder for about an hour, and then after I 597 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: did Larry Elder's program, I got dinner with Kurt and 598 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: his lovely wife Irina. I am on the topics that 599 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: came up in a conversation. Was this exact topic there? 600 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: I asked Kurt for his thoughts on twenty twenty eight 601 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: on the Democratic side, especially as a California Kurs lived 602 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: in California for a very very long time. A lot 603 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: of talk about Gavin usm about Kamala Harris there. California 604 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: really is the epicenter of the Democratic universe and has 605 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: been for some time now. I mean Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, 606 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: the list goes on, and I was all surprised when 607 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: Kurt barely hesitated and at our dinner he said the 608 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: same manager that he said here, which was Kamala Harris, 609 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: which I couldn't help but land, I mean, really, how 610 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: silly would the Democrats have to be? I mean, to 611 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: be clear, please please, I mean, like, let's pray, I mean, 612 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 1: anyone who who opposes the Democratic part what they stand 613 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: for should be praying for Kamala Harris to be the 614 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: nominee because she stinks, because she got smacked, because she 615 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: was the first Democrat since John Kerry in two thousand 616 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: and four to lose the state of Nevada, which I've 617 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: been trending in a pretty blue direction, and the Republicans 618 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: won it back there Trump winning all seven of the 619 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: major swing states, the four russ or the four Sunbelt 620 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: states of Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, the three rust 621 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: Belt states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. There So, if 622 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: you're rooting for democratic democratic failure, and we root for 623 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: nothing but democratic failure here on the Josh Hammer Show, 624 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: I can think of nothing more than to root for 625 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. By contrast, I happen to think that Gavin 626 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: Newsom actually would be a tricky opponent. That's not because 627 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's track record anything other than atrocious. It is 628 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: absolutely abominable atrocious. The urban spheres, the urban corridors of California, 629 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 1: whether it's Los Angeles, San Francisco, which are infamously terrible, 630 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: even San Diego, even San Diego which was once a 631 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: bash of sanity. I was in San Diego actually just 632 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: last year for a speaking event, and man, the whole 633 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: situation in San Diego is a lot worse than I 634 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: remember to being. So the whole state has become something 635 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: of a crime ridden, needle infested, just bastion of sicicos 636 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: and weirdos and mental illness and drugs and all this 637 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: under Gavinusom. California, by the way, under Gavin Newsom's horrific 638 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: gubernatorial tenure, for the first time in the history of 639 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: the Golden State, California became a state in the eighteen fifties, 640 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: just prior to the Civil War. In every single census, 641 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: so its censes every ten years, so starting in eighteen 642 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: sixty when Lincoln leved the present, starting in eighteen sixty 643 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: through twenty twenty, California gains peace. It wasn't until most 644 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: recent census during Gavin Newsom's ten years governor, the California 645 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: loss seats. They lost population there for loss seats in 646 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: the actual apportionment of seats in the US House Representatives, 647 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: Electoral College. 648 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: And so forth. 649 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: So he's absolutely horrific. I mean, the economy, California is 650 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: not passing this billionaire tax is outrageous. I think it's 651 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: a five percent wealth tax, even on unrealized ill liquid wealth. 652 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: Whi's why you're seating all these billionaire Californians, people like 653 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: Larry Page of Google, people like Peter Teel. They're now 654 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: leaving California, making someplace like Florida their primary residence there. 655 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: So he really has run that stay into the ground. 656 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: But the sad thing is this, I'm not sure how 657 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: many Americans actually really care, at least Democrat voters. Okay, 658 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: maybe there's more common sense for the people at large. 659 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: I think there probably is, but at least when it 660 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: comes to a Democrat primary, sure how many people see 661 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: it that way? They probably see a lot of his 662 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: garbage as success. They see the light on crime, the socialists, 663 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: the redistributionist economics, that anything goes, policies with drugs and 664 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: needles and all this there. 665 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 2: They love it. 666 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: They're clapping like seals at the zoom. And for those 667 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: who are less policy inclined, which is an increasingly large 668 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: amount people, I'm not sure about how many people like me, 669 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: maybe like you, are a real policy wonks that really 670 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: care deeply about law and policy. For the folks who 671 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: care more about vibes. I mean, I'm sorry, but dude 672 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: is out of central casting. I mean, Gavin Newsom literally 673 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: looks like he was cast to be the villain in 674 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: a Batman movie. I seem as a villain. Maybe maybe 675 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: they seem as a hero. The slip back hair. He's smooth, 676 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: he's glib again. He stinks he's awful, but he's very 677 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: very good, good at doing these smooth glib talk. That 678 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: makes it politicians as well. So if I were betting, 679 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: if I were betting on the Democrat nomination in twenty 680 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: twenty eight, I would personally be betting on Gavin Newsom, 681 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: not Kamala Harris. But really, Kama Harris would just be amazing, hey, 682 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, as would AOC as a Jasmine Crockett. Frankly, 683 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: as would any of these pools. The really interesting question 684 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: to me is is jos Shapiro, Josha Piro, recently making 685 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: headlines for his anecdote in his memoir in his Fourth 686 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: Point memoir that The New York Times got got an 687 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: excerpt of that Kamala Harris had asked him this outrageous, 688 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: clearly anti Smitic question. Her vetters for the VP slot 689 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: asked Josh pierrebro he had ever been an agent, an 690 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: agent who talks to that, an agent of the Israeli governments. 691 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 1: So that just goes to show you just the level 692 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: of entrenched institutional antisemitism that has taken hold inside the 693 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. And I'll be really really interested to see 694 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: just how far Joshapiro is all but as surely twenty 695 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: twenty eight own his own presence bid how far that 696 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: actually goes? You know, on the one hand, he's a 697 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: very attractive Candidate's he's the governor of the nation's most 698 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: important swing state, Pennsylvania has become the largest electoral college 699 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: prize when it comes to all of these seven major 700 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: swing states. On the one hand, he's got it all 701 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: right when it comes to the on paper resume. On 702 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: the other hand, on the other hand, he's a Jew, 703 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: and a Jew who doesn't hate Israel. He's not like 704 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: a Glenn Greenwald Dave Smith Jew. He's like as I mean, 705 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: he's not, he's not he's not like a super orthodox, 706 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: super religious Jew. But he's like not a self hating 707 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: Jew at least, So does that automatically disqualify him from 708 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: today's Democratic Party. I honestly, the proof of being the pudding. 709 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: But I rather think that that's gonna be a very 710 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: difficult test for Joshapiro on the Republican side of the aisle. 711 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: I disagree with Kirsch Schluchzer a little bit when it 712 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: come to twenty twenty eight. Look, I definitely think that 713 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: Jadvance is the front runner, but those who watched the 714 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 1: show regularly may recalled. And we had on Harry Enton 715 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: of CNN for a similar conversation about twenty twenty handicapping. 716 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: Harry Enton told me that he thought that Jade Vance 717 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: was a greater than fifty percent chance possibility of being 718 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: the Republican nomination in twenty twenty eight, and in memory serves, 719 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: I pushed back gently, I think it's probably not true. 720 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: Even back then I thought that Rubio was being undervalued 721 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: in the market. Well, a lot has actually changed since 722 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: my conversation with Harry Non. Among other things that have 723 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: happened there, you have the Nicholas Maduro raid, which is 724 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: large we've seen as a Marco Rubio operation. Marco Rubio 725 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: who is now wearing more hats than anyone can imagine, 726 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: whether it's Secretary of State, whether it's National Security Advisor, 727 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: and now he's now He's also in charge, most recently 728 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: of heading up bebid by the United States to get 729 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: the some World's Expo to Rubio's home city of Miami. 730 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 2: There. 731 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, these memes are hilarious. I mean, all these 732 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: jobs doing there, so Rubio stock it is clearly ascendant, 733 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: clearly ascendant there. It seems to me that Rubio is 734 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: playing a very smart stalking horse game when it comes 735 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: to trying to try to let those ahead of him 736 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: perhaps implode of their own initiative. I'm not really sure 737 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: that they will, but it seems to me to be 738 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 1: the wager that he is making there. Kurt Schlitzer also 739 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: mentioning some other names as well. I agree that Ron 740 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: DeSantis is probably not going to run twenty twenty eight, 741 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 1: especially if Mark Rubio does not seem to me that 742 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: there's not room for two somewhat similar people of a 743 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: Floridian ilk in a primary there. Ted Cruz a lot 744 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: of rumors of Ted wants to get into this race 745 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. I've known Ted Cruz a very 746 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: long time. I helped along with him ghost write partially 747 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: his twenty twenty book on the Supreme Court. I was 748 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: very active in his presidential campaign ten years ago back 749 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen. I think very highly of of Ted 750 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: Crewse Texas. I'm not entirely sure frankly that there is 751 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: a link for him at this time. But most importantly, 752 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: where Kurt and I really are in agreement here is 753 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: that iron really does sharpen iron. And this notion that 754 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: I hear from a lot of people there that this 755 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: has to be a cakewalk just anoint jd Vance, now, 756 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous. I say that as someone who's 757 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: a very very early booster of Jdevance's vice presidential nomination. 758 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: I was supporting him for the Viepstakes a long time ago, 759 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: earlier than pretty much ayonelse in the country there. But 760 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,919 Speaker 1: I think it would be scandalous if he is simply 761 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: just given the twenty twenty eight presidential nomination. Make him 762 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: earn it, Make anyone earn it there, whether that's Rubio, 763 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: whether it's anyone else, get in there. Let's have a 764 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: competitive primary, Let's see who wins, and may indeed the 765 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: best Canada win. That's how it is done historically, that 766 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: that's how it should be done. Curtly in twenty twenty eight, 767 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: no more than in any other election. We'll hope that 768 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: you enjoyed today's episode of The Josh Hammer Show. Again 769 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: and follow Kirs Schluchter on x at Kirschwector i'm Mo's 770 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: an ex as well. By the way, Ash Josh as Squarehammer. 771 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: Have a good evening everyone. We'll see right back here tomorrow.