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Speaker 1: It's time for our Friday roundup. And before we get going,

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Speaker 1: I thought i'd mentioned time is running out to get

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Speaker 1: and you'll get it promptly and certainly in time for Christmas. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about why you are in a really good

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Speaker 1: mood these days. Well, you're in a good mood a

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Speaker 1: lot of the time, but you're in an especially good

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Speaker 1: mood these days on account of Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to get really teary eyed, because you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of people don't really understand the whole

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Speaker 2: Venezuela thing. They're like, why do we care about about Venezuela?

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Speaker 2: What's in it for us?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Right? I thought we were America first, and I can

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Speaker 2: understand that, you know, especially people that are born in

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Speaker 2: America and have like one hundred percent loyalty to America.

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Speaker 1: Not that I don't, well, I do not only that

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Speaker 1: if these people also feel like for a long time

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Speaker 1: they have been pretty far down on the list of

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Speaker 1: their own government's priority. That's right, and they're right.

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Speaker 2: About that, that is true, correct, Yes, yes, so and

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Speaker 2: so coming from me, people would go, well, Debbie, you

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Speaker 2: have family in Venezuela, you were born in Venezuela. You

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Speaker 2: talk about Venezuela and non stop. Of course you're excited of

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Speaker 2: what's happening. And I am for many many reasons. So

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Speaker 2: I've been following the whole Venezuela thing for over two

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Speaker 2: decades now, and you know it was I've also been

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Speaker 2: watching this this young lady actually she's my age, but

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Speaker 2: you know, Mariacarina, who who I've become friends with. She's

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Speaker 2: the woman that won the Nobel Peace Prize this year

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Speaker 2: can become president of Venezuela, it will just be like amazing, right.

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Speaker 1: Because it's to hope, to rescue the country that has

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Speaker 1: been twenty five years in the undoing.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it has been under under siege really for

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Speaker 2: twenty five years, and many people, many young people, have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we were at this Prager University event and

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Speaker 1: you met this young Venezuelan kid who is making a

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Speaker 1: short film for Prager on why socialism is bad. But

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Speaker 1: you made the comment to me, you were like, it

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Speaker 2: He never has. The venezuela he was born into, born

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Speaker 2: in was already oppressed when he was born. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: me out, they did. They kicked him out, but he

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Speaker 1: Now, would it be accurate to say that this today,

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Speaker 2: That's right, the Chavista, this is it, this is the moment,

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Speaker 2: right because as you know, during that very tumultuous time

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Speaker 1: You you would meet these Venezuelans in America and they

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Speaker 1: he like the Democrats? And the answer, he likes the democrats, right, right,

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Speaker 1: So that tells you something.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I wanted to also make people understand what socialism

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Speaker 2: of course all of the things that have unfolded in

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Speaker 2: that yes, you can have a thriving economy, you can

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Speaker 2: have a great republic, because Venezuela is a republic. It's not,

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Speaker 2: it's the system of government is very similar to America.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it was set up to be like America.

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Speaker 2: It has a Congress, it has a Senate and a president.

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Speaker 2: It's not a prime minister. It doesn't have a parliamentary system. Right.

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Speaker 2: So obviously Uachav has made sure that everything was swapped

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Speaker 2: she was beat up while she was in Congress, bye

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Speaker 2: they they beat her. They were horrible with the opposition,

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Speaker 1: The other thing to note is that that what Chavas

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. He just stacked the court, yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: a de facto dictatorship masquerading as a republic. And what

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Speaker 1: this shows you is that here in America, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not that we're likely to fear a kind of

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Speaker 1: stalinist dictator who appropriates all power to himself. No, we're

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Speaker 1: more likely to have a similar sity situation as Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: where we retain. In theory, you have free speech, but

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, if you say things you find

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Speaker 1: your life becomes miserable. In theory, you have freedom of assembly,

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Speaker 1: except there are just so many exceptions that you can't

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Speaker 1: do it here and you can't do it there. In theory,

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Speaker 1: you have a right to vote, but you find that

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Speaker 1: other people are voting two, three and four times, so

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Speaker 1: the form is maintained with the substance is is changed.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And in the case of stacking the court,

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Speaker 2: stacking the court for the left means that they can

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Speaker 2: always count on the left wing judges to make whatever

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Speaker 2: decision to go with the party as we see here exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so you mean in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I'm saying that if you we find now

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Speaker 1: in all these cases with Trump executive orders, you pretty

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Speaker 1: you can't deport kilmar Abrego Garcia, oh no, you can't

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Speaker 1: send federal truths into la. In other words, I've been

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Speaker 1: looking at these should think will we find a Biden

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Speaker 1: The district court judges are thoroughly predictable. On the other side, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And the thing is is that we would be looking

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Speaker 2: exactly at Venezuela at scenario if if they had if

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Speaker 2: the Democrats had the Senate and the Congress right, what

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Speaker 2: they would do is they would probably stack the court.

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Speaker 2: And that is exactly what we would see in America.

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Speaker 2: We would we would really essentially lose power pretty much forever.

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Speaker 2: Like I thought Venezuela was going to be. Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: when you say that now is the time, I feel

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Speaker 2: like now is the time. Because in twenty thirteen, uuchav

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Speaker 2: and Madurro Nicolas Maduro was his vice president. Now, he

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Speaker 2: was a really dumb man. He was actually a bus driver.

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Speaker 2: Not that bus drivers, not that all bus drivers are dumb,

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Speaker 2: course they have that system of voting where they flip

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Speaker 2: why should I vote? So that also was happening in Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: But in twenty thirteen, when Uga chab Has died and

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Speaker 2: fought so hard, many of them were killed. It you know,

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Speaker 2: it was just it was horrible. It was kind of

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Speaker 2: like a January sixth type event.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but one sided there. The troops they had the guns, yes,

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Speaker 1: so they were able to crush these.

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Speaker 2: People, that's right. And they also had bugs on the

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Speaker 2: we're also doing the killing for them. And so I

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Speaker 2: and a couple of other of my Venezuelan friends went

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Speaker 2: to see Ted Cruz in twenty thirteen and we begged him,

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Speaker 2: We said, is there anything that the American government can

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Speaker 2: do to help these kids overthrow an illegitimate government? In

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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, Yeah, and you know, of course Ted being

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Speaker 2: He was like, you know, Debbie, I wish we could

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Speaker 2: do something. But the problem is Barack Obama.

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Speaker 1: Is the president and he's regime.

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Speaker 2: He's pro he's not going to do anything to help

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Speaker 2: these people whatso appen.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he's probably actively on the other side. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he's certainly not going to help, and so so

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Speaker 1: it didn't come to it.

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Speaker 2: It did not, It did not, nothing happened. In fact,

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Speaker 2: a lot of those kids are still in jail today

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, just to back up for a moment, the

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Speaker 1: big point I think you're making here is that the

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Speaker 2: So so, not only did he practice those things, but

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Speaker 2: if they could, they would get rid of us, you.

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Speaker 1: Know that, and bolstered by the Chinese and the Russian, Yes, right,

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Speaker 2: So what I was afraid of, and this is you

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, So I didn't want Venezuela because you know,

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Speaker 2: So if we can get rid of Maludo and the

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Speaker 2: she will knock this out, like she will like get

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Speaker 2: rid of these people. Yeah, no more narcotrol. Oh, and

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Speaker 1: And then also the Nobel ceremonies, right, and you were

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Speaker 2: So well, this is this is going back to twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: And so even though they had this phone call, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Trump basically goes, you need to leave. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: just say, a year from now, if was still in power,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he will be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping, because I do know that there are

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Speaker 2: I do know that, right, and I know that also.

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Speaker 2: The part of the military, I don't I don't think.

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Speaker 1: The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation. What if

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Speaker 1: Let's move on. We were talking about, well, we'll come

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Speaker 1: back to Trump in a minute. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about our upcoming Israel trip, which we have mentioned on

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Speaker 1: the podcast a few times but in a very general

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Speaker 1: sense and finally it's come together. So we have working

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Speaker 1: with Inspiration Travel and by the way, we went with

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Speaker 1: Inspiration Travel the first time to Israel in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: we've since been what three times.

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Speaker 2: We've been three times and by the time we go

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Speaker 2: then it'll be six times.

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Speaker 1: I know it's kind of crazy. We're going to Israel

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Speaker 1: very brief trip in January. We're going to do some

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Speaker 1: filming in Biblical archaeology in April, and we're going again, Well,

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Speaker 1: this is our tour. We want you to join us.

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Speaker 1: You're invited in December. So the dates is it December seventh.

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Speaker 2: December seventh through THEES.

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Speaker 1: I think it is okay, yes, And there is an.

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Speaker 2: There there'll be an ad for it during the show

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Speaker 2: so you can and there's a qrr code that you

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Speaker 2: can also just you know, take a photo of and

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Speaker 2: it'll take you straight there.

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Speaker 1: So we're at the early stage where we're just announcing

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Speaker 1: the trip. We want you to like save the date,

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Speaker 1: we want you to plan to go. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be like trip of a lifetime. It's this is the

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Speaker 1: kind of thing where you're walking in the not only

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Speaker 1: the footsteps of the Bible, but the footsteps of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: And I also like the you know, we'd been talking

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Speaker 1: for some time about doing a trip and we found

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Speaker 1: the perfect partner in Jonathan Kahn. I think because our

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Speaker 1: minds are kind of complimentary. He is he's got this

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Speaker 1: kind of blazing insight about the Bible. He can relate

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Speaker 1: things from the ancient past to the present in a

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Speaker 1: very riveting way. And my contribution is very different than

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Speaker 1: that which is more historical, it's more archaeological, it's apologetic.

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Speaker 1: So all of this kind of like comes together in

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Speaker 1: this trip, and so we want you to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it, and we think you'll this will be

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Speaker 1: the trip to end all trips. I think the website

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Speaker 1: if I'm if I remember, it's just inspiration travel dot

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Speaker 1: get and then you'll be notified when tickets are are

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Speaker 1: on sale, which will be which will be soon. So

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Speaker 1: I believe the trip is going to begin in the

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Speaker 1: northern part of Israel, which is up in the Galilee region.

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Speaker 1: The thing that we did in twenty twenty two, which

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Speaker 1: I believe we're going to do again, is go on

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Speaker 1: the Sea of Galilee in large fishing boats similar to

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Speaker 1: Jesus and the Apostles, and we have like music and

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Speaker 1: a discussion and teaching on the Sea of Galilee. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you and I could hardly believe it where

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Speaker 1: we were and the kind of sublime moment that we

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Speaker 1: were part of, and then it just never stops. From there.

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Speaker 1: It's Capernaum, where Jesus taught and did miracles, and it's Magdala,

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Speaker 1: where Mary Magdalene is from. And then it's on to

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Speaker 1: the place where Pontch's pilot had his palace and where

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Speaker 1: the pilot stone was came out of the ground. And

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Speaker 1: then of course the summit or the peak is Jerusalem.

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Speaker 1: And you so the way this is stretched out, it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like four days in the northern part of

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Speaker 1: Israel and then like five days in Jerusalem and the

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Speaker 1: spot where Jesus was crucified, the Mount of Olives, of course,

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Speaker 1: the site the Temple mount, at the site of the

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Speaker 1: original Solomonic Temple. It is like it's a deluge of experience.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because as you and I have been

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Speaker 1: a lot of places, and many of them together, some

595
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Speaker 1: of them before I knew you, you don't have the

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Speaker 1: same feeling as when you're in Israel. And have you

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Speaker 1: thought about why that is? What is the what is

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Speaker 1: it about Israel that gives you this kind of unique

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Speaker 1: elevated sense.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's really hard to explain it because

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Speaker 2: it it just I just have this sense of peace

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Speaker 2: and and just a sense of awe closest moved that

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Speaker 2: I've never felt anywhere else. It's very and And also

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Speaker 2: you know, when we were filming uh and we went

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Speaker 2: to the Gaza border and we were like listening to

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Speaker 2: all these explosions and all of that, I was not afraid.

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Speaker 2: I had such a sense of peace, even you know,

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Speaker 2: just knowing that that this country is is like this

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Speaker 2: little tiny strip of land that is wanted by the

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Speaker 2: entire Middle East. They want it, and they want it

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Speaker 2: like now, I just felt such a sense of peace.

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Speaker 2: I can't explain it. It's if you were to ask me,

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Speaker 2: do you feel this way when you go to like

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Speaker 2: London or do you feel this way when you.

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Speaker 1: Go downtown Houston.

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Speaker 2: No, actually I don't. I have I don't have a

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Speaker 2: great sense of peace when I go to downtown Houston.

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid, you know, but no, And you know, even

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Speaker 2: in Jerusalem, we walked the streets of Jerusalem late at night,

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Speaker 2: like eleven pm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'll also say a word for inspiration because

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Speaker 1: we've been on trips and these guys organize the trip impeccably.

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Speaker 1: This is part of what Our anxiety about going the

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Speaker 1: first time was like, how is it going to work?

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Speaker 1: You know, we're going with a fairly decent sized group

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Speaker 1: of people, but they have multiple buses, multiple guides. Everything

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Speaker 1: There's time for interaction, there's time for Q and A.

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Speaker 1: So the combination of on the ground experience and then events.

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Speaker 1: And you found a great guy to be the music

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Speaker 1: guy for this, the worship leader who's coming with us,

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Speaker 1: and then you're going to do some singing with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a real highlight, because

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Speaker 1: getting you to sing these days is not that easy.

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Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing is you mentioned the Sea of Galilee,

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Speaker 2: and oh yeah, you guys could sing on this boat

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Speaker 2: on the Sea of Galilee. And I'm like, okay, you

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Speaker 2: do know that I get seasick, right, I will have

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Speaker 2: to be wearing my relief.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, you will to keep your value. Well, not

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Speaker 1: that you know. The Sea of Galiley is actually not turbulent.

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Speaker 1: It might have been in Jesus's time, I don't know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it is it is now just like the seats,

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Speaker 1: yeah exactly. Well there, Oh, I think now it's like

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Speaker 1: a glassy surface of water, just very serene.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, But I think the highlight, if we can

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Speaker 2: pull it off, we can do it, will be singing

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Speaker 2: Oh Holy night overlooking Bethlehem.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine with the lights of Bethlehem?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the stars and oh Holy not? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine if I'm able to do that.

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Speaker 2: What a once in a lifetime opportunity to do that?

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Speaker 1: I mean absolutely no. So we this is our kind

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Speaker 1: of official announcement slash preview of the trip, and we

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Speaker 1: think it's one of those things where you you don't

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Speaker 1: want to miss it. So if you can possibly do it,

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Speaker 1: pull it off, you're gonna you're gonna be very glad

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Speaker 1: you you did. All right, let's talk about let's talk about,

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Speaker 1: well we have Qatar and the sort of Saudi connection. Now,

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Speaker 1: I I think what we wanted to talk about is this.

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Speaker 1: I had Dennis Michael Lynch on the show earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week, and as you remember, we did a kind

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Speaker 1: the point basically that all these Muslim regimes have the

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Speaker 1: same goal. There isn't really a distinction between the good

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Speaker 1: ones and the bad ones, even though, as you know,

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Speaker 1: Trump is trying to get the Saudis and the United

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Speaker 1: Arab Emirates to do the Abraham Accords, to be sort

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Speaker 1: of the good Muslims against let's say, Hamas and Iran.

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Speaker 1: But Lynch was basically going, no, these Muslim regimes, even

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Speaker 1: the ones that seemed to be well behaved, really can't

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Speaker 1: be trusted. And I could see you kind of nodding

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Speaker 1: on the side of.

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Speaker 2: Advocate when you were playing Devil's Advocate.

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Speaker 1: I was doing good. You're giving me the thumbs down.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did. I saw it in the side.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I see which side you're on. Yea. But

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Speaker 1: but and as you know, I was pressing him because

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Speaker 1: I think it's just important to get like clarity on

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Speaker 1: these storm. What are we really saying?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, look, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: Islam wants world domination, they want a caliphate. We have

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Speaker 2: to keep that in mind. Yeah, when we do anything,

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Speaker 2: whether it's you know, we we do business with them,

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Speaker 2: we shake hands with them. Okay, you're not going to

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Speaker 2: attack us or Israel. Okay, good, let's shake hands on it.

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Speaker 2: All of those things we have to keep in mind

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Speaker 2: that at the end of the day, they all agree

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Speaker 2: that Islam is going to be, according to them, the

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Speaker 2: religion of the world.

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Speaker 1: We saw you showed me actually a really fascinating video

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Speaker 1: by one of these Muslim activists leaders, and he said

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Speaker 1: in effect this, he said, I keep hearing about the

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Speaker 1: dangers of the radical Muslims. I keep hearing about people

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Speaker 1: who want to stone the adulterer. I keep hearing about

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Speaker 1: people who want to chop off the hands of the thief.

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing about people who want sharia law. I

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Speaker 1: keep hearing about people who want honor killing. I hear

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Speaker 1: about people who want a caliphate. And he goes, I

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Speaker 1: hear people in the West coast, those are the radical Muslims.

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Speaker 1: And then he said something very interesting. He goes, no,

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Speaker 1: those are not the radical Muslims. Those are the Muslims

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Speaker 1: that is us.

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Speaker 2: Well, he asked the group of people he was at

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Speaker 2: a mosque. He was at a mosque, yep, And he asked,

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Speaker 2: raise your hand if you're a radical Muslim. Right, nobody

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Speaker 2: raised their hand, Raise your hand. And then he goes, however, okay,

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Speaker 2: you're not a radical Muslim, but do you believe and

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Speaker 2: he names all of the things that you just mentioned.

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Speaker 1: He goes, do you agree with the Quran that our

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Speaker 1: goal should be a caliphate? Everybody agrees. Do you agree

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Speaker 1: with the Quran that people who practice adultery or a

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Speaker 1: set of other offenses deserve to be stoned? Everybody's hand

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Speaker 1: goes up, and on and on. It is that our

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Speaker 1: goal is sharia law in the end, that that is

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Speaker 1: the best type of law. Every hand goes up. So

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Speaker 1: what he's really getting at is the fact that this

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Speaker 1: is the Qoranic recipe, and by and large, you can't

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Speaker 1: call yourself a Muslim if you go against it.

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. That's what I keep saying. I

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Speaker 2: keep saying that. And there are people that say, oh, no,

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Speaker 2: there's a difference between Islam and radical Islam. Well, that

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Speaker 2: proved that there is no difference there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the point of that video was to

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Speaker 1: say that traditional Islam and radical Islam are the same thing. Now,

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Speaker 1: you could have people who are nominally Muslim. This applies

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Speaker 1: to Christians as well, who are nominally Christian but don't

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Speaker 1: really follow or they don't really go to secular art.

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Speaker 2: They're just born Muslim but they're secular.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, so he's saying, not counting them, looking

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Speaker 1: at the people who are who call themselves Muslims, who

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Speaker 1: believe that they are following the Quran, who are attempting

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Speaker 1: to follow the Qoran. Those are people who would be

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Speaker 1: on board with this supposedly radical agenda. And I think

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Speaker 1: what he was getting at, back to Dennis Michael Linches,

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Speaker 1: I think he was getting at was he said. So

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Speaker 1: in the end, the Saudis and the Jordanians who seem

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Speaker 1: to be an R side, they too have these goals,

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Speaker 1: and they will practice a certain amount of deception or takia,

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Speaker 1: takia being nothing more than and putting on a face,

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Speaker 1: permission to lie, permission to lie, permission to make friends

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Speaker 1: with people who are not your real friends, right, permission

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Speaker 1: to befriend somebody. I mean, that was interesting what you

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Speaker 1: showed me. Also about the Dawa, which is the it

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Speaker 1: was a kind of strategy to get people.

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Speaker 2: Seven strategies of the Dawa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about how they were saying, don't go to

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Speaker 1: someone and go hey, listen, we want you to join

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Speaker 1: the Dawa or the Islamic way of life and the

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Speaker 1: Islamic community because you're going to turn them off.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Well, it's it's like slowly befriend people, like

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Speaker 2: don't don't go in there and like give it to

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Speaker 2: them right away. Yeah, slowly make them trust you, basically, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: until once they had once you have them, then you

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Speaker 2: can start to proselytize and get them on board, because

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Speaker 2: it is the obligation of every Muslim, woman, man, child

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Speaker 2: to spread Islam.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And yet and yet they're smart enough to realize

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Speaker 1: and they've even written this down in what you showed

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Speaker 1: me was they were like, don't talk about obligation, because

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Speaker 1: you don't want people to think if I become a Muslim,

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Speaker 1: I've got these seventy two things, I've got to do,

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Speaker 1: all these duties, These are all my obligations. Just talk

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Speaker 1: about Islam as a religion of peace. Just talk about

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Muslim societies are very orderly and safe.

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Speaker 1: Just talk about the fact that traditional values are maintained.

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Speaker 1: Just talk about the fact that it's a very productive community.

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Speaker 1: Muslims help each other. They're very generous and hospitable people.

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Speaker 1: Another way, some of which is true.

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Speaker 2: Another one I like is talk about that you like

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Speaker 2: Jesus too.

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Speaker 1: Jesus is a prophet in Islam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And in fact, we have heard it said that

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Speaker 1: the it's part of the Muslim tactic. Hey, we move

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Speaker 1: have a better opinion of Jesus than the Jews do, yes, right,

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Speaker 1: because if the Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah, the

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Speaker 1: idea is that Jesus is an impostor. Jesus is claiming

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Speaker 1: to be the Messiah, but he's not whereas we Muslims,

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Speaker 1: except that he's a prophet. We may not say that

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Speaker 1: he's the son of God. We may not say he

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Speaker 1: that by dying he's redeemed as of our sins. But

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like we go, we meet the Christians

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Speaker 1: halfway and the Jews don't. That's right, right, all right,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a whole bunch of time. Let's close

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Speaker 1: out on this interesting article about I'm just holding it

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Speaker 1: up right here. Trump administration has rescued sixty two thousand

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Speaker 1: migrant kids from sex trafficking and child labored. This, by

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Speaker 1: the way, according to the board, is our Tom Holman.

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Speaker 1: Now you might remember was this in Police State where

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Speaker 1: we had a woman on who talked about the three

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand missing.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, So what was her name?

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Speaker 1: Well, she was a. I remember she was a consultant

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Speaker 1: to the Health and Human Services Department. In any case,

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Speaker 1: she gave a very passionate and vivid account of these

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Speaker 1: missing children, right and uh, and it looked like those

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Speaker 1: children were in effect doomed. But now, I mean, sixty

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Speaker 1: two thousand is not the majority, but it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good chan.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty good chunk. And you cannot are Look,

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Speaker 2: this is not all over the news, you know, at all.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it until you Yeah, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is an article from the New York Post. But this

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Speaker 1: is a if true. If these numbers hold up, it

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Speaker 1: is uh, it is a way of picking these children

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Speaker 1: really out of extreme danger.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you remember the what she told us about

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Speaker 2: some of these little boys.

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Speaker 1: The cynicism of it, where they would allow an able

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Speaker 1: bodied mail to bring these children, and it was part

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Speaker 1: of it was just to fool the immigration authorities. They

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Speaker 1: were like, hey, listen, I've got helpless children. You got

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Speaker 1: to let me through.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, do you remember what she said about

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Speaker 2: the little boys, that they had to wear diapers because of.

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Speaker 1: The abuse, because they had been raped. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: multiple times? And it was no, it was some of

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Speaker 1: it was very hard to listen to. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: even sure if we put everything she said in the film.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we did because some of it was

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Speaker 1: so And then she also showed us some images, and

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Speaker 1: again we had some video in the film, but we

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Speaker 1: had to we had to look and say, can we

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Speaker 1: show this? Is this something we want to put on

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Speaker 1: the screen just because of ratings? And no, you can't.

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Speaker 1: You know this is going to make your film. You

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Speaker 1: can't put it in the theater. It's all this kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff. So yeah, it is a It is an

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Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely gruesome, gruesome site and good.

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Speaker 2: Good for the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: Start for not letting the ball drop. It's so easy

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Speaker 1: to go. That happened under Biden. We're gonna let it go.

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Speaker 1: They didn't let it go. They shouldn't let it go.

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Speaker 1: They need to keep going, and they need to try

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Speaker 1: to get most of those kids, get them, give them

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Speaker 1: their lives back. Subscribe to the Dinesh de sus A

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