1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Life Audio. This is Donna Jones and you are listening 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: to That's just what I needed. Hey, friend, if you've 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: ever been in a conversation where you've walked away thinking, Wow, 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: that was just what I needed, you know how life 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: giving that can be, Well, that's what this podcast is 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: all about. We're women who want to know, love, and 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: follow God in our real lives, but sometimes wonder just 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: how to do it. So each week we'll talk about 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: what following God looks like in the midst of daily 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: demands and crazy cultural chaos. Because this isn't just what 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: we need, it's actually exactly what we need. Hey, Hey, 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I have such an amazing episode 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: for you. I loved this conversation and I know you 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: will too. But before we get into that, let me 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: just tell you want to listen to the very end 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: of this podcast because our guests share there's something in 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: the last five minutes that honestly I needed to hear 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: so badly. I know you do too. It is going 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: to bless your socks off, So listen to this one 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: all the way to the end. Deal. Before we jump 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: into today's interview, I wanted to invite you to a 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: special event. I am going to be speaking at a 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: half day retreat called Encounter. It's going to be held 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: on Saturday, March twenty first, beginning at nine am at 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: Crossline Church. And so many of you have reached out 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: to me over the past months and years saying, Hey, 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: where are you speaking? Is there ever a time I 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: can come connect with you? And I would love to 29 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: invite you to this event. This one is open to 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: the public. Not all my speaking events are, but this 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: one is, and I would love to have you there. 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: So if you live anywhere in California, join me at Encounter. 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: You can find out the information at Crosslinechurch dot com 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: events or women Again. It's a half day retreat and 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: I would just love it if you be there and 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: we could connect. Well, let's turn the corner and let 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: me tell you a little bit about today's guest. Her 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: name is Kara Shine. She's written a great new book 39 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: called The Hallway Miracle, The Prayer that Opened a Jewish 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: Heart to Jesus. Kara is an award winning elementary school 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: teacher with a passion for encouragement, anxiety management, and bridge 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: building between the Old and New Testament. Through her Jewish background, 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Kara has a compelling testimony that you are just going 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: to love and be encouraged by. So help me. Welcome 45 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: my new friend, Kara Shine. Kara, Welcome to the podcast. 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: Oh my Goshana, thank you so much. I'm so excited. 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: Well, I am really excited to have you on. I 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: actually listened to an interview you did on a podcast 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: slash radio show Janet Partial's America, and I was like, Wow, 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: I need to have this gal on my podcast. 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: Isn't that funny? How God will connect us like that 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: like you just did. As I was doing that, I 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: was so nervous. I was so nervous. So I'm so 54 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: glad that you listened in. It touched your heart. Maybe 55 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: it'll touch your listener's hearts too, well. 56 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: I know will. That's why I've won. Okay, So you 57 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: have a very interesting background, So tell us a little 58 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: bit about how you were raised and how you perceived 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Christianity in your early years. 60 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I want to start by just saying I 61 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: should not be here. I should not be on this podcast. 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: If you're watching, I shouldn't be on your screen because 63 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: I was born and raised Jewish, and had it not 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: been for some good Christians in my thirties who introduced 65 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: me to Jesus, I simply wouldn't be here. So just 66 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: to start off with that, I am fully aware and 67 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: very gracious and humble to be able to share my story, 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: and I hope it encourages others to think about the 69 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: way that they share Jesus with those around you. So yeah, 70 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: I was born and raised Jewish in a small town 71 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: in southwest Ohio. My dad was in the military and 72 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: we bought a house a small little community that was 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: close to the Air Force base where he worked, but 74 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: forty five minutes away from the nearest synagogue, making us 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: really the only Jews in an otherwise very Christian community. 76 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: And although I am certain and I know that there 77 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: were wonderful Christians in our midst, the Christians that, unfortunately 78 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: my brother and I heard from the loudest on the 79 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: school bus when there was no one around to protect us, 80 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: were the cruelest, and they said horrible, horrible things to 81 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: my brother that left lasting scars about who Christians really were. 82 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: You know, I heard things like your parents must be ignorant, 83 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: or I hope you have lots of shorts and short 84 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: sleeves because you all are going to burn in hell. 85 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: One particular day, I heard a boy walked past me 86 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: and grabbed a handful of my hair. Granted I'm ten 87 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: years old, I'm just a kid. Grabbed a handful of 88 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: my hair and announced to the bus, so checkter for horns. 89 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: Everybody's safe. And this other girl would just say things 90 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: like you should believe in Jesus Christ, and she would 91 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: just hiss the name Jesus Christ at me. I couldn't 92 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: reconcile who Jesus Christ was according to them, with the 93 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: Jesus that I had heard about in Synigod, because when 94 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: we made the forty five to synagogue, I remember one 95 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: day somebody asked the rabbi who is Jesus? Like who 96 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: do you say Jesus is? And I remember this rabbi 97 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: like it was yesterday. He was such a beloved teacher 98 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: to me, and he just stopped and he smiled, and 99 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: he said Jesus was a wonderful rabbi who should be respected. 100 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: And he gave us the golden rule, do unto others 101 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: as you would have them do unto you. And so 102 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: in my little ten year old brain, I was so 103 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: confused about what my rabbi who I trusted had said, 104 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: and what these kids on the bus were saying as 105 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: they misrepresented Jesus to me. 106 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: Wow, and that's powerful things that happen in our childhood, 107 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: like that they mark us, they really do, and gosh, 108 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: that's so fascinating. I bet you some of the of 109 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: our listeners are like, wow, that's how she was treated. 110 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: That's probably shocking to some people. So then you go 111 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: into adulthood and then you meet this man named Jeff. 112 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: It was wonderful, but you have a very different background 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: from Jeff. So tell us about Jeff's spiritual background and 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: then kind of his progression. 115 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: So obviously raised in the synagogue, and I had every 116 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: intention of marrying a nice Jewish man. But then I 117 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: met Jeff Shine, and I found myself at a crossroads 118 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: where I had to make a decision. I thought, between 119 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: religion and love. But Jeff made it very easy for 120 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: me and said, no, I'll just go to synagogue with 121 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: you and any children that we have we can raise 122 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: Jewish and your people are my people, and we'll figure 123 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: this out together. And so off we marched, and we 124 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: ended up moving to northern Virginia, right outside of Washington, 125 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 2: d C. I got a dream job at a local 126 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: elementary school, teaching fifth grade, and life was great. We 127 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: had a two year old baby girl named Emma, and 128 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: then in two thousand and one, nine to eleven happened, 129 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: and as shocking as it was for everybody in our country, 130 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: it was especially jarring for those of us that lived 131 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: right outside of DC because the Pentagon was only twenty 132 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: minutes away from where we lived, and we had family 133 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: and friends that worked in the Pentagon. My dad often 134 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: would travel back and forth from Ohio to DC to 135 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: the Pentagon, and the day that the planes hit, I 136 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: wasn't even sure if he was there or not, So 137 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: we were all very much on edge in two thousand 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: and one. Fast forward to two thousand and two, which 139 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: is where my story, The Hallway Miracle the book starts 140 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: and takes place, and it talks about the time period 141 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: of the DC beltwat Snipers, which for some of your 142 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: listeners may not remember. Some do anyone in our area. 143 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: If you mentioned the DC Snipers, there's a visceral reaction. 144 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: Everybody remembers exactly what those three weeks were like for us. 145 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: If you lived in the DC Washington area in two 146 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: thousand and two, October. For three weeks there were snipers 147 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: who essentially cut a hole in the trunk of their 148 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: car and drove around Washington, d C, Northern Virginia, and Maryland, 149 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: shooting indiscriminately at men, women, and eventually children. And at 150 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: the end of their three week rain they killed ten 151 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: wounded three. But Donna, they terrorized millions of us because 152 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: our everyday lives stopped. We were told to duck and 153 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: we've if we had to go outside, you could be 154 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: pumping your gas and people were getting shot doing that, 155 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: or loading groceries in your car simply just walking down 156 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: the street. So all of a sudden, we found ourselves 157 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: holding on for anything that would give us comfort. And 158 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: while I was at this elementary school in the middle 159 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: of all of this, God just happened to place me 160 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: in this elementary school that was filled with wonderful Christians, 161 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: wonderful good Christians. I actually talk about this in the book. 162 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: I talk about them as being quote unquote good Christians 163 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: because for me, they were the first relational Christians I 164 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: ever met where they really viewed presence over persuasion. So 165 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: when I first started teaching there, they knew I was Jewish. 166 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: I'm very ethnic looking for people who can't see, and 167 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: it just is part of my life, so it flowed 168 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: out of me. I was fasting on young Kapor during 169 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: the elementary school days, and I bringing different foods, and 170 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: they were just so welcoming of everything. I never heard 171 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: any kind of condemnation or any of kind the hateful 172 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: things I had heard on the school bus, and they 173 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: invested themselves in my lives because they just were lovely people. 174 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: And because of that, during the DC sniper attacks, I 175 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: noticed that the way that they moved in the world 176 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: and the way that they were handling the anxiety that 177 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: the rest of us were facing was just different. And 178 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: it began this what I like to call holy ripple 179 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: effect of what I can only describe as these miracles 180 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: that happened that I write about in the book, which, 181 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: to be completely honest, I never intended on writing the story. 182 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: I'm a lay pastor now and a speaker and Bible 183 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: study leader, and I've told this story for the past 184 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 2: twenty five years and smaller venues to people, and I've 185 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 2: heard so many people say, care, you have to share 186 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: the story, You have to share the story with others. 187 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: So I finally decided Okay, it's time to share this 188 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: story so other people can understand the impact that one 189 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: prayer can have and your relationship with the people around you. 190 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: What can happen when we welcome the Holy Spirit into 191 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: our lives and then share it and reflect it with others. 192 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: And the people that you worked with, they were just 193 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: normal everyday Christians that loved you well and walked with 194 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: the Lord themselves, and that spoke volumes to you. 195 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: Right specifically, the principal rob was the first one. I mean, 196 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: that's a whole nother story within itself what this man did. 197 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: But he quietly just showed me who Jesus was. And 198 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: I wasn't afraid of it because he was a man 199 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: of words and actions. I had heard he did things 200 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: like at night when we would all leave the elementary school, 201 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: he would walk around the hallways and lay his hands 202 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: on our doors and pray for us. And because he 203 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: was such a wonderful human being, it didn't frighten me, 204 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: and it just slowly started to ship away at the 205 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: hurt of what I had heard growing up. Full disclosure, 206 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 2: just to put this out there, I have forgiven these 207 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: children just like I needed forgiveness. Once I accepted Jesus. 208 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: I understand now that the pain and all the things 209 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: brought me to the foot of the cross in a 210 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: place of humility. But Rob and then my other friend Sharon, 211 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: who was a teacher that was across the hallway from me, 212 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: She did something so small that made such a huge 213 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: Kingdom impact. She just had a little desk calendar of 214 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: Christian devotionals on her desk, and in the sniper attacks, 215 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: I've found myself sneaking into her room to read these 216 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: verses off of her desk, like John fourteen, you know, 217 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: don't be afraid, Peace, I leave you. I didn't know 218 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: who John was, but I was like, well, I would 219 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 2: like peace. Sign me up, right, sign me up for 220 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: this kind of a piece. And these verses would get 221 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: stuck in my head. I would find myself in her 222 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: classroom trying to sneak over these verses from the New 223 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: Testament and letting them just resonate on my heart. She 224 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: had no idea, she was just being a wonderful human 225 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: being and saying things like God's in control, It's okay, 226 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: or you know what, Kara, I'm going to pray for you. 227 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: And these little things, along with actual scripture that I 228 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: had never read before because as a Jew, I hadn't 229 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: read the New Testament, and the words that were on 230 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: that desk calendar changed the way I felt about the 231 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: things that were going on in my life at that time. 232 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: And that just reminds me how God's word says. It's 233 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: living and active, and it's different than just are human words. 234 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: There's something about the Word of God that just penetrates 235 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: our heart. I read in the book there is the 236 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: first time you ever saw her little desk calendar with 237 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: the scriptures on it. It was because you spilled something 238 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: all over you and she had a tide pen in 239 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: a room, and so you went into her room for 240 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: the tide pin, and as she was thumbing it through 241 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: her desk for the tide pin, you saw this little 242 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: desk calendar with the scriptures. But you described your feelings 243 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: the first time about seeing that scripture. Tell our listeners 244 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: what you first felt when you saw those scriptures. 245 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: At first, I felt like I was reading her diary. 246 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: It was something intimate that wasn't meant for me because 247 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: I had all of these scars over my heart about 248 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: what the New Testament was, and I didn't understand who 249 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: Jesus was. At one point. I've heard other Jews say 250 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: this before, I really thought Jesus was his first name 251 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: and Christ was his second. I didn't have any understanding 252 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: of who he was, and seeing that desk calendar for 253 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: the first time was confusing for me, because here you 254 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: have this person, my friend Sharon, who was the kindest, 255 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: most loving human being who I loved, with these verses 256 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: from something at this point I didn't understand, and trying 257 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: to put those two things together was like trying to 258 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: fit together oddly shaped jigsaw puzzle pieces that just I 259 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: couldn't get to fit. It took me a while too, 260 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: and some very terrifying things that happened throughout the book 261 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: to get me to a place where I could marry 262 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: the love that you could find in Jesus with the 263 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: love I've always had in Judaism. I love being Jewish, 264 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: that the promises of the Old Testament are fulfilled in 265 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: the New Testament. I just didn't know that I could 266 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: have both at the same time. And through the story 267 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 2: and that the other miracles that happen, you could see 268 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: how God weaves kind of these breadcrumbs that he leaves, 269 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: starting with the Tide stick and me spilling coffee on 270 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: myself to slowly lead me to the cross. 271 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: So good, Okay, I have so many more questions for you. 272 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, and when we 273 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: come back, we're going to pick up your story. Okay. So, Kiera, 274 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: now you've kind of walked us through your story. You're 275 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: looking at the scripture calendar on Sharon's desk, But in 276 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: the book, I found this really interesting, the day that 277 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: you sat in your car during this three week sniper 278 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: attack that was terrorizing your city, and the difference between 279 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: your response and Sharon's response. So walk us through that 280 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: day for you. 281 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 2: So one particular morning during these three weeks, I got 282 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: up and I got to school early because I had 283 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: a lot of work I needed to do, and I 284 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: arrived to the elementary school parking lot first and as 285 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: I was pulling in, the reports came across the radio 286 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: that a middle school student had just been shot at 287 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: this nearby middle school and it was the first time 288 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: that snipers had attacked a child, and something inside me, 289 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: Donna just broke, just broke wide open, and I sat 290 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: frozen in my car just morning and being so upset 291 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: and sad and hopeless. Really, I could not open up 292 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: my car door to get into the elementary school because 293 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: I was just frankly terrified. And as God would have it, 294 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: my friend Sharon also happened to wake up early and 295 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: come to school early, so she was the second car 296 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: in the parking lot that morning, and she pulled into 297 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: the parking lot and I could see her. She parked 298 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: near by me, and she was singing like she was. 299 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: We've talked about this before. She doesn't remember what music 300 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: was on the radio, but I'm going to guess it 301 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: was worship music. I'm going to say it was worse. 302 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: She was singing, and I could see she had joy, 303 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: and she just opened up her car door, grabbed her 304 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: big old teacher bag, and walked directly into the elementary school. 305 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: She didn't duck, she didn't leave. She confidently walked with 306 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: peace into the elementary school. And then she got to 307 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: the door and turned around and realized I was stuck 308 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: in my car and not moving, and she just kind 309 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: of held the door open and she beckoned to me, PARA, 310 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: come on, let's go, And in that moment, the verses 311 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: that I had been slowly consuming over her shoulder without 312 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: her knowing Isaiah forty one ten, fear not, you know 313 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: John fourteen piece, I leave you. I turned it into 314 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: this cadence in my head, fear not, do not be afraid, 315 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: fear not, do not be afraid, fear not, do not 316 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: be afraid. And I took a version of the Old 317 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: Testament the New test and then put them together. I 318 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: took a deep breath, and I grab my stuff and 319 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: I ran into the elementary school where she stood waiting 320 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: and smiling. And I remember I looked at her and 321 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: I just said, Sharon, aren't you scared? She paused and 322 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: she said, yes, I am scared, but I also know 323 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: that I have the hope of Jesus Christ and that 324 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: no matter what happens, I am safe. I just I 325 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: don't understand what that means. She asked me a bold question, 326 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: which took bravery on her part, And because we had 327 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: already walked for years as friends, and she had shown 328 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: me through her actions again that presence over persuasion, she 329 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: had the right to ask me the next question, which was, Caro, 330 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: would you like to pray with me? And I had 331 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: a decision to make. I had all these thoughts of 332 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: the bullies from my childhood's rolling around my head and 333 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: this fear, and I just decided I needed hope. And 334 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: what she and the principal rob had been showing me 335 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: for years looked like hope to me. So I said, yes, okay, 336 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: I'll pray with you. And right there, Donna and that hallway. 337 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: She took my hands and we bowed our heads and 338 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: the hallway disappeared. It was just the two of us, 339 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: and it felt like we were there forever, and I 340 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: felt this piece I've never felt before, from the top 341 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: of my head to the bottom of my toes. Every 342 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 2: time I retell it, I get that same feeling, and 343 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: I just wanted to stay there forever. And eventually we 344 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: opened up our eyes and I was crying and she 345 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: was crying, and I just looked at her and I said, Charon, 346 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: what was that? And she just said, oh, honey, that 347 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: was Jesus. It set off the Holy ripple effect of 348 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: the things I still cannot explain to this day of 349 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: the things that I write about in the book that 350 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: happened as a result of that one prayer. God just 351 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: turned his sights on me, and Jesus introduced himself to 352 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: me and pursued me in ways that I'll never understand. 353 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: And that's the rest of the book. 354 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So if you end up coming to Jesus as 355 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: your savior, your Messiah, yeah yah Shua, yeah, yes, Sua. 356 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: I love that. So but you're Jewish and can hear 357 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: you have this Presbyterian husband that decided to go to 358 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: synagogue with you raise your daughter Jewish? So how did 359 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: your parents and your husband receive this information? 360 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: Well, from what I'm hearing, first, I'm overwhelmed by the 361 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: response from the book. I was so terrified to write 362 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: the story. I went to some dark places in my 363 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 2: head because it's a topic that can be very scary. 364 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: Now that the book is out, the feedback I'm getting 365 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: from people has just made my heart sore for Jesus 366 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: Christ that this story is glorifying people. And the side 367 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: joke that we have in my house now is the 368 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: silent star of the book is Jeff Shin, my husband, 369 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: because he just is a faithful, wonderful, steadfast person in 370 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 2: my life who has always just been there behind me, 371 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: cheering me on for what was important to me. So 372 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: when I finally told him, because I didn't tell him 373 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: right away about the Hallway prayer, because I knew as 374 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: soon as I said it, I was opening Pandora's box 375 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 2: and I wasn't sure what to do with it yet, 376 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: So it was a while before I finally told him, Hey, 377 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: I think I want to go to church. So when 378 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: I told him and true jeffs shine in fashion, he 379 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: was like, okay, great, do I have to dress up? 380 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: He was more worried about whether or not he had 381 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: to wear, like, you know, a suit, or if you 382 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: could wear his comfortable khakis. So that conversation was deep 383 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: for both of us. But at the heart of it, 384 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: his first words were I got you. Let's do this together, 385 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 2: and then we walked through it together learning because it 386 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: wasn't like he was attending church a ton when I 387 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: met him, anyway, So my faith became very big, and 388 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: I wanted that for him as well, So we both 389 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: kind of rediscovered Jesus at the same time. 390 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so what was it like for you? Because I've 391 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: never really thought about this because you've never been to 392 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: church before. So what was that like the first time 393 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: you went to church? And I'm asking this specifically because 394 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: for those of us who going to church is like 395 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: as normal as breathing, I feel like sometimes it's really 396 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: helpful for us to hear what it's like for someone 397 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: that isn't part of their story, because every week, in 398 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: every church across America, there's people that are going church, 399 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: they're visiting churches, they're seeking Jesus. We may not even 400 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: know who those people are, but I feel like our 401 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: eyes need to be open to what that experience is 402 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: like for people. So what was that like for you? 403 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you equated it not just to 404 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: somebody who's Jewish walking into a church, but any seeker 405 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: walking into a church. My experience obviously was a little unique, 406 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: but you could say that probably about anyone who's coming 407 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: into a new church. The thing that made the difference 408 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 2: for me was this sign that as I was walking 409 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: up to it was in an elementary school, and again 410 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: coming from a Jewish background, where it was this beautiful 411 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: synagogue with this Beama and the Torah and these rich 412 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 2: traditions and rituals and the Hebrew and the recitation and 413 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 2: the canter, all these things that I was familiar with, 414 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 2: and I walked into an elementary school with plastic chairs, 415 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: plastic risers, a draft drown white screen and a rock band. 416 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: So talk about culture shock, but none of that mattered 417 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: because as I'm walking up, Jeff's holding my hand, our 418 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: daughter Emma's with us, and we're walking into church for 419 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: the first time. There was the sandwich board sign on 420 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 2: the sidewalk that simply just said welcome everyone. And I 421 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: can't explain to you how important those two words, because 422 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: I was about ready to turn around right Satan was 423 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: whispering in my ear. You don't belong here. They're going 424 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: to know you're Jewish. What are you doing? Get out 425 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 2: of here? And then I saw that sign It simply 426 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: just said welcome everyone. That gave me the courage to 427 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: get inside. And then when I got inside, it was 428 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: more of the same experience because these teachers that I 429 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: met at algonkin On Entry were also attending this church, 430 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: Riverside Presbyterian Church, So the same again presence over persuasion 431 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: was there. And the moment I walked in, there was 432 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: somebody to greet me and not just hand me something 433 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: and off we go. They had people there who were 434 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: recognizing that there was somebody new there, and then they 435 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: got to know us. They welcomed us in, they recognized 436 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: we were new faces, and I think the most vibrant 437 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: churches are the ones where not just the people who 438 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: were on staff have their eyes open, but the congregation 439 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: is a living, breathing embodiment. They're the hands and feet 440 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: of Jesus, so that they're aware when there's somebody new 441 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: and they greet them and they sit with them, and 442 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 2: they welcome them, and there's this feeling of like, we'd 443 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: love to get to know you. That makes the world 444 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: difference wherever you're walking into a new church. 445 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: I love that. And you know what, as you were 446 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: just saying that I'd love to get to know you, 447 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: that phrase right there is such a Jesus phrase, because 448 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: that's how Jesus first views each of us. I'd love 449 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: to get to know you. 450 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets in our boat right with the disciples. 451 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: When he calls the disciples, he leaves the shore where 452 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: he's teaching thousands of people, and he goes and he 453 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: sits in the you know, in the Book of Luke. 454 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: He goes and he sits with these fishermen. He gets 455 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: in the boat with him and stays with them and 456 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: then shows them put out your nets again, do it again, 457 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 2: And they say, well, you know, we're exhausted, We've already 458 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: done it. We don't want to, but because you said so, 459 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: we will do it. And then he ends up showing 460 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: them this bounty. But he seeks us, he gets in 461 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: the boat with us, and so we need to do 462 00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: that for each other. 463 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: So okay, so you're at church. Apparently you went back 464 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: more than just at one time. 465 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 2: Yes, well, Jeff was very excited that he could wear 466 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: his comfortable khakis, so we went back. 467 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: So you went back, So I want to go back 468 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: because you weren't able to answer this question. So now 469 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: you're going to church at this point, like, when did 470 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: you tell your parents? And what was the response? I'm 471 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: assuming i'm reading into this You telling your parents was 472 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: probably like really the line in the sand I am 473 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: now following, I love Jesus. So when did you decide 474 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: to do that? How did you do that? What was 475 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: the response? 476 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: Well, full disclosure, I did not do it. Well, I 477 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: did not do it right away. I took months months 478 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: to do it. A side note for your listeners. While 479 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: all of this is happening, my next door neighbor is Muslim. 480 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: Her name is Sheiku and one of my best friends. 481 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: And before I confided in my parents and told my 482 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: parents I told Ku, because I knew it was a Muslim, 483 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: she would understand what I was talking about when I said, 484 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: I love Jesus. And she and I sat in her 485 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: son room and talked about all these things, and she 486 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: gave me really good advice. She said, Kara, before you 487 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: do this, before you tell your parents, you need to 488 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: be one hundred percent certain. So you need to find 489 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: out who Jesus is. And these Christians gave me my 490 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: first Bible, and I sat in a corner of my 491 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: room and I consumed the Book of Matthew, and it 492 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 2: changed everything for me. The greatest command, which is the Shamah, 493 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: by the way, which is the most important prayer of 494 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 2: a Jew, love the Lord your God with all your heart, 495 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: with all your soul, with all your mind. So when 496 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: I read it in the Book of Matthew, and then 497 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: he added, and love your neighbors yourself, my heart broke 498 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 2: wide open. I was like, Oh, my gosh, Jesus was Jewish. 499 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: Jesus was Jewish. He understands he's speaking my language, He's 500 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: speaking the Shemah. Once I had found who Jesus really was, 501 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: I knew I needed to tell my parents and I 502 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: won't give it all away, but there's some other really 503 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: big events that happened that lead me to a place 504 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: of absolute surrender where I now I had to tell 505 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: my parents, and the day that I told them was 506 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: a difficult day for sure, but it has led us 507 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: to a new place of understanding with one another. And 508 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 2: I remember, if your listeners haven't heard anything we've said, 509 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: I'm just going to hope that they listened to this 510 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 2: one sentence and that we'll convict them. When I told 511 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: my parents what had happened, my dad said, Kara, how 512 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: could you follow them after all they've done to us? 513 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: And it broke my heart because that was his perception, 514 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: and rightly so we think about some of the atrocities 515 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: and the anti Semitism, especially now what's going on in 516 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: the world. The way that we represent Jesus is so 517 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: important because people who don't know Jesus are not going 518 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: to walk headfirst into the New Testament and read the 519 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 2: Sermon on the Mount, but they're going to meet us. 520 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: They're going to meet us. We're the ambassadors. So my 521 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: dad only had the information that the world had given him. 522 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 2: I promise you God gave me the next sentence because 523 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: it could not have come from me, And I just said, Dad, 524 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: I know, I know you're right, but I'm not trying 525 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: to follow man. Man is always going to hurt and disappoint. 526 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 2: I'm not following Man. I want to follow Jesus. And 527 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: I told him about the New Testament. I told him 528 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 2: about the Greatest Commandment. I told him about the Shemah. 529 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: And it's been twenty five years and it is a 530 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: learning and a growing experience for both of us. But 531 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: they love me deeply. They see how happy I am. 532 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: They come to church whenever I preach. And my dad, 533 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: who had a very rough year, he's had three falls 534 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: this year at lots of stays in hospitals, but it 535 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: has pricked his heart. And he recently let me buy 536 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 2: him a New Testament and he's been reading it slowly 537 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: and we're we're still praying through that. 538 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: All of that. 539 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 2: But I was very fortunate enough that my parents loved 540 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: me enough to allow me to pursue Jesus and grow 541 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: with me along the way. 542 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: Wow. That is powerful. Okay, as we're ending here, I 543 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: wanted to touch on one thing that we talked about 544 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: really before we even hit record. 545 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, we gabbed a lot before we started. 546 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: We did, We did. And so I was telling Kara 547 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: that I was driving home today and I was listening 548 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: to this podcast on emotions, and so I knew I 549 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: was going to be interviewing you, Kiara, and so I 550 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: was thinking about how emotions, your emotions of anxiety actually 551 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: were the catalysts to lead you to Jesus. God used 552 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: those scriptures about fear not God, youse, Sharon, and I 553 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: have hope and I know I'm safe. So it was 554 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: that emotion that drove you actually to Jesus. And I 555 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: was reflecting on how we can see that as somebody 556 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: initially comes to Jesus as their savior. But I think 557 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: sometimes we miss how God wants to use that in 558 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: the lives of those of us who already know Jesus. 559 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: So those emotions like anxiety or confusion, or grief or loneliness, 560 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: all of the emotions that we have, the heart emotions 561 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: that if we let them, they're catalysts to come to 562 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: Jesus in a deeper way. So well, talk to us 563 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: just as we're closing here, maybe a little bit about 564 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: that anxiety and what you would say to the listener 565 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: who's maybe dealing with some of these things well. 566 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: I think the first thing is to acknowledge that we're 567 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: not robots. I think sometimes as Christians, we imagine that 568 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: if we could just get our life to that perfect 569 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: place where the kids are getting good grades and nobody's 570 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: acting out, or our marriages are perfect, or our weight 571 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: is what we want, all these things that we're waiting 572 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 2: for to be just perfect, and in the meantime we're 573 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: pushing down the emotions that you just mentioned. It takes 574 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: me to that verse from James, verse one, considerate joy 575 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters when you face trials of many kinds, 576 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: because they produce perseverance. I remember when I first read 577 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: that verse years ago, I thought to myself, I don't 578 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: my trials. You keep your trials, not interested in trials. 579 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: But I had come to know, as you so beautifully said, 580 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: that it's the in between moments of our lives and 581 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: these emotions that make us cling to Jesus and grow. 582 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: I was saying earlier, it's been a rough year with 583 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: my dad's health, writing this book, the fear of what 584 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: people might say about this book. I've been laying prostrate 585 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: on my face, which was kind of made aware to 586 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: me God was talking. I was feeling this prayer time 587 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: with God, and when Moses sees the burning bush and 588 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 2: God says, take your sandals off, this is holy ground, 589 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: and praying on my face this year, clinging to the 590 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: carpet and talking to Jesus and crying into the wool carpet. 591 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade those moments for anything now, because I 592 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: understand the closeness and the way that my relationship with 593 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,239 Speaker 2: Jesus has changed, even just this year, through all of 594 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: these trials, I would just say to your listeners, rather 595 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: than fearing the tough times, rather than trying to wish 596 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: away these things, or trying to wait your life away 597 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: for that perfect day when everything comes into this perfect 598 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 2: balance and you go, oh hooray and my life is perfect. 599 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: Those days are so few and far between. Let's not 600 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: miss the moments because God views our pain very differently 601 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: than we did Otherwise, why do we have it? Jesus 602 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: and God speak into those moments and step into those moments. 603 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: It's for such a time as this right and being 604 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: able to just say I need you Jesus on a 605 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: daily basis strengthens like these invisible threads that weave our 606 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: hearts with his in the Holy Spirit. If our lives 607 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: are perfect all day long, Let's be honest, a lot 608 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: of us are not laying on our face, clinging to 609 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: the carpet and crying ugly tears to Jesus. That's the 610 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: stuff that strengthens our relationship with Him. That's the stuff 611 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: that makes us open our Bible and let it just 612 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: flood over us. I still get blown away that I 613 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: get to open a Bible and see the words of Jesus, 614 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: like the actual words of Jesus. Are you kidding me? 615 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: That should blow us away that we at any moment, 616 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: especially when our hearts are broken, especially when our kids 617 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: aren't doing what we want, or our marriages or whatever 618 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: it is, we get to run into our bibles and 619 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: open them up and see the words of Jesus. I mean, 620 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 2: that's the good stuff. So I would just encourage your 621 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: readers to rethink the way they think of pain and 622 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: grief and struggle and just lay down, open up your 623 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: Bible and let the words wash over you and draw 624 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: you clothes to Jesus, because there is strength and perseverance 625 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: greater than you could ever imagine. 626 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: Gosh, Kara, that is so beautiful, so beautiful, Okay, So 627 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask you one last question because you're 628 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: the principle and Sharon, you've used this phrase over whenever 629 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: they were quote unquote they were with good Christians, and 630 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: we as listeners to your story, we want to represent 631 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: Jesus well and we want to be those quote unquote 632 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: good Christians. But we've all met people that were like, yeah, 633 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: you didn't represent Jesus well. So what would you say 634 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: to someone that wants to represent Jesus well. As we're 635 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: closing off here, I. 636 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: Would just say, think about when Jesus washes the feet 637 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: of his disciples. When I read that scene that the 638 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: God of the universe would kneel down and use his 639 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: holy hands to wash our feet, it made me question, well, 640 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: what am I doing with my hands? If Jesus is 641 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: using his hands to wash feet, what am I doing? 642 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: And before you put your kids on the bus, before 643 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: you step outside with a cross on your necklace, before 644 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: you do anything, welcome the Holy Spirit into your life 645 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: and make sure that when you step outside and you 646 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: are getting your groceries or driving in your car, that 647 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 2: you are constantly reminding yourself of Jesus's hands and asking 648 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit to allow you to never keep anybody 649 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: outside of Jesus's love. And there's a Hebrew word. It's henani. 650 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: It's what we hear Abraham speak to God right before 651 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 2: he's about to sacrifice his son Isaac. It's what Moses 652 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 2: says in the burning bush when God calls his name hannani, 653 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: which just means here, I am here. I am so 654 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: in the morning, when you wake up, offer your life 655 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: and humility for what Jesus has done for us. I'll 656 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: never get over what Jesus did for me. I don't 657 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: deserve it. None of us deserve it. I don't get 658 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: it right all the time. But I try each morning 659 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: to just whisper for that word hanani God, Here, I 660 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: am use my life because our one purpose is to 661 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: glorify God. That's it. It's our one job. It's not 662 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: to get the kids to school on time. It's not 663 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: to make sure everything is ironed and pressed and the 664 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: house looks perfect. Our one job that God gave us 665 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: when he created us is to glorify Him. And if 666 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: that's our one job, it's the most important job, especially 667 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: when we hear stories of kids on a school bus 668 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: that misrepresent Jesus in ways that break his heart. So 669 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: I would just encourage your listeners to rededicate themselves to 670 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: their one true calling, which is to serve our Lord 671 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: and save for Jesus Christ and offer up a hanani. 672 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: Wow, Kara, I could talk to you all day long, 673 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: you know what. Talking to you makes me love Jesus more. 674 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 2: Oh me too, I love Jesus too. I love Jesus too. 675 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: Let's go get coffee. We could talk about them all day. 676 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, gracious, I have just loved getting to 677 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: know you and this story. I just can't even tell 678 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: you how grateful I am for you sharing your story 679 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: about how you met Jesus and for writing this book. 680 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: So how can our listeners get a copy of your book? 681 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: Because we're going to put all that information in the 682 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: show notes? 683 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: Sure, thank you well. I mean, the easiest way is Amazon, 684 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: but I am encouraging people if there's a local mom 685 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: and pop shop near you, go and you know, bless 686 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: them and ask them to order it for you, just 687 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: to help them out. Obviously, Amazon is nice and easy, 688 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 2: so you can do it that well as well. And 689 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: then if your listeners would like to connect, it's Kerishine 690 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: dot com or Carishine author which is my Instagram. 691 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: Great and as I mentioned, we'll have all that information 692 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: in those show notes. Well, Kert, thank you so much 693 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: and may God just continue to bless you in every way. 694 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, God bless you and your listeners too. 695 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: Wasn't that a great conversation. I hope you loved it 696 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: as much as I did. And as a reminder, I 697 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: would love to have you join me at the Encounter 698 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: Retreat on March twenty first at cross Line Church. Go 699 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: to Crosslinechurch dot com events for more information, and let's 700 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: connect on social media if we don't already, you'll find 701 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: me on Instagram at Donna A. Jones And as always, 702 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: my friend, I can't wait to see you next time, 703 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: for that's just what I needed.