1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: Hope you had a great weekend, and welcome back to 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: what is surely going to be yet another chaotic news week, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Because if there's any other option in these days, is 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: if there is any alternative to adjust a totally helter 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: skelter news cycle, and if item on repeat on any 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: given day ending and why certainly Monday, January twelfth, this 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: is no exception to that. The big story that we 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: are tracking, and there are numerous of them, We're s 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: certainly still paying attention to the fallout of the fatal 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: shooting of Renee Good in Minneapolis last week. When it 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: comes to these anti ice uprisings now that are happening 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: not just any twin cities, but out in the nexus 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: and ground zero of the Antifa movement that is Portland, Oregon. 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: Perhaps come into a city near you, we shall see. 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: We're keeping our eyes on that and other stories. But 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: the number one story today is all of the protests, 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: all of the uprisings, all of the general uproar over 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: in Iran to wit. To be clear, this is among 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: the most serious uprisings by the Iranian people since this 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: horrific theocratic Islamist regime came into power four and a 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: half plus decades ago. It is at least at least 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: the biggest uprising since two thousand and nine, the so 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: called Green Revolution. The thing about the Iranian people is 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: there's there's so much to say about it, but this 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: terrible regime in Iran, and they are the number of 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: the world's number one state sponsor of terrorism, which you've 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: probably heard many times, and it happens to be true. 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: They sponsored terrorist oranizations all throughout the world, not just 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: in the Middle East when it comes to Hasbolah, the 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Huthis and all these various other Shiites and times even 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: Sunni islam proxies. They also fund jihad all across the world. 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Iran was behind the bombing in Buenos Aires and the 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: mid nineteen nineties at the Jewish enter that killed nearly 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: one hundred people. They tried to pull up the Saudi 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: ambassador to the United States and Washington, d C. In 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. They are behind one hundreds and hundred of 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: US armed service members debts via ied roadside bombs back 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: during the Iran or the Iraq counter insurgency. So it 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: is a horrific, horrific regime. But one of the things 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: that has always let off the page, being one of 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: the most important details here when it comes to the 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: debates and controversy over the Iranian future, is that this 44 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: regime is a terrible, terrible fit for the Iranian people. Iran, 45 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: prior to the Islamist takeover in nineteen seventy nine was 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: a generally secular state. Now it is the spiritual home 47 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: of Shiite Islam, which is a minority sect of Islam 48 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: when you look at global Islam, Sunni Islam being spiritually 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: based there in Saudi Arabia. But Iran prior to nineteen 50 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: seventy nine was not exactly a Jeffersonian democracy, was not 51 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: exactly a Montescovian tripartite separation of powers. You know, federalist papers, 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: James Madison Federals fifty one, ambition must be made to 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: counter emission. No, no, no, no, I mean, that's not what 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: was happening. It was very much pretty authoritarian and pretty 55 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: jack Boots like, but it was still generally Western Ish 56 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: aligned at the time. The pre Islamist Iranian Shah government 57 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: had generally sound relations with Israel, with the United States 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: and with large parts of the West. So in the 59 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: past four and a half decades, every swapten you have 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: an uprising, whether it's whether it's over economic conditions, that's 61 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: actually what sparks this current uprising. Sometimes you have an 62 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: uprising when it comes to the insane Islamist dress code, 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: in other words, the he job in the burka. That's 64 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: what we saw a few years ago in the summer 65 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: turned into autumn of twenty twenty two, where there were 66 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: national protests and lots of women burning their he job, 67 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: burning their burkas, some of them and up being tragically 68 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: incarcerated and indeed outright executed by the regime for the 69 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: defiance of the Islamist dress code. It seemingly is a 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: different thing all the time. And when you listen to 71 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: the chants of the running people, the number one thing 72 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: that you hear throughout all these videos, all these images, 73 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: you hear a lot of them say, care about us, 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: care about your people, the Iranian people, Stop spending money 75 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: on all these terrorist proxies overseas. Stop shipping money to 76 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: Hesbala or Tobashar al san Syria back before he was 77 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: dethroned by al Shara. In the current Sunni government there 78 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: in Damascus, focus on the Iranian people. There's a tremendous 79 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: water shortage in Iran. It's been a massive drought. The 80 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: currency is inflating to the point where it is now 81 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: approaching near hyperinflation levels. Oil petroleum, which is the number 82 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: one industry there, or at least in theory it should be, 83 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: is being heavily sanctioned due to all of their support 84 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: for terrorism. The Iranian people deserve better than this government, 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: and fundamentally is in the United States of America's interest 86 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: that this regime go the way of the Dodo Bird. 87 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: As we've explained many times that that does not mean 88 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: that it is the role of the United States to 89 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: send in the hundred first Airborne and in Team America 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: world police style start to liberate Tehran, to liberate all 91 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: of Iran in the name of the Rainbow flag or 92 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Globo Homo or any of these other things, or frankly 93 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: even deliberated in the name of Jeffersonian Madisonian democracy. No, 94 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: that's not our role, but is absolutely our role. It 95 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: is absolutely our role to support the Iranian people. Now, 96 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: President Trump, very very interestingly, just this past weekend started 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: to admit that his previous announced red line when it 98 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: comes to the Iranian regime cracking down and indeed annihilating 99 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: and just massacring dissidents, he started to renounce to this 100 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: read his red line either it's getting really close to 101 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: being crossed or has actually been crossed. Now, the numbers 102 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: are very very difficult to get a firm, reliable estmen 103 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: of because last week is what Iran does when they 104 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: start cracking down and shooting people. They turned off all 105 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: the phone lines, They turned off all the internet in 106 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: the entire country. So very very difficult to start to 107 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: get reliable numbers. We know from a US based group 108 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: called the Human Rights Activists in Iran, they estimate that 109 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: at least four hundred ninety six protesters have been killed. 110 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: I've seen some images of mass body bags outside the 111 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: hospitals there. At least one Eyewinness reporter was able to 112 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: get through an anonymous source. Again, you can't give your name 113 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: or else you will be executed, so that when she 114 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: had to go to the hospital because of her injuries 115 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: there that said, you just saw piles and piles and 116 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: piles of dead bodies, body bags. The estimates that I've 117 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: seen so the unofficial ones that I've seen some others 118 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: report as well, including Mike Duran of the Hudson Institute, 119 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: who was very well versed in will source in these matters. 120 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: The estimate that that I've been getting is upwards potentially 121 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: two thousand upwards are potentially two thousand running distance will 122 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: been slaughtered. Thus far, at least forty eight Iranian security 123 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: ier GC or regime jack boots. They have been killed 124 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: as well, at at least ten six hundred people have 125 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: been arrested. It's just chaos. It's absolute chaos. Iran International 126 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: which is an international TV organization that essentially tried to 127 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: speak on behalf of the Iranian diaspora of those who 128 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: oppose this terrible Islamist regime. Roan International reporting that despite 129 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: the blackout inside of Roan, it can confirm that just 130 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: last night that just on Sunday evening, Iranians in more 131 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: than twenty provinces went to the streets. This is all 132 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: in response to the calls to action from the exiled 133 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Crown Prince. So prior to the Islamist theocracy taking over 134 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: for nineteen seventy nine, it was ruled by the shot 135 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: and it is the exiled Crown Prince raised a Palafi 136 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: who has been living in Maryland in the United States 137 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: for most of his adult life. There he has really 138 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: been egging on a lot of this from Afar, calling 139 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: for Iranians to take to the streets. The most important 140 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: thing that you must understand about this is the following 141 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: when the Iranian people go to the streets. And I've 142 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: seen estimates that a million to two million different Iranians 143 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: have taken to the streets over the course of these 144 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: past now two and a half veering on three weeks. 145 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: They are a million to two million Iranians, many of 146 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: whom have actually engaged in firefights with the Iranian security forces. Folks, 147 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: not to put too fine a point on it, but 148 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: the men who signed the Declaration Independence in seventeen seventy six, 149 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm not comparing a run to the United States in anyway. 150 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that the men back then when they 151 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: signed that declaration, they knew that they were putting it 152 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: all on the line. They offered their lives, their fortune, 153 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: and their sacred honor to use the precise verbiage of 154 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Jefferson's declaration in seventeen seventy six, they knew that if 155 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: the Red Coats, if King George the Third, then if 156 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: they were to find them, they would be dead. Bringing 157 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: out the gallows, they will be dead. That's the exact 158 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: same situation for the Iranan people. They are putting it 159 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: all in the line, all in the line. So there's 160 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: been a lot of folks on the hard isolationists left 161 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: and right who've been trying to say this is all 162 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: WHI in dupisteria. It's a neocn syop. It's a masad 163 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: Zionas syop, to which I say, screw you, screw you 164 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: and the horse that you came in on the runing. 165 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: People are literally risking their lives to try to end 166 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: this cancer that is afflicted not just the Middle East 167 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: but the entire world for four and a half decades. 168 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: And you have the hutzpa to call this a syop. 169 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? 170 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: Now? 171 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: What exactly? Again, American voment looks like there. Well, Donald 172 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: Trump did issue something of a red line, and he's 173 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: starting to acknowledge here that this red line might have 174 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: been crossed. Again, I'm not saying I personally would not 175 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: have advised him to actually make the red line threat. 176 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: By the way, in my aview stationmships should be carried 177 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: out more secretly, clandestinely. But he did offer something of 178 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: a red line for what it's worth there. So in 179 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: any event, here was Donald Tromp on Air Force One 180 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: over the weekend speaking on situation in Iran. 181 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: This seemed to be some people killed that aren't supposed 182 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: to be kill. These are violent, if you call them leaders, 183 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: I don't know if their leaders are just they ruled 184 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: through violence. But we're looking at it very seriously. The 185 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: military is looking at it, and we're looking at some 186 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: very strong options. We'll make a determination. But some of 187 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: the protesters were killed through the stampeding. I mean, you know, 188 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: there's so many of them, and so we're shot. Are 189 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: we getting a full report? I'm getting an hourly report, 190 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,479 Speaker 2: and we're going to make a determination. 191 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: So Trump was indeed briefed on possible military options over 192 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: the weekend. Apparently he is being briefed again tomorrow. That 193 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: will be Tuesday the thirteenth. Again. Iran International who reported 194 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: earlier that these uprightings are happening at least twenty proncs 195 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: throughout the country. They also are the ones who are 196 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: corroborating the more than two thousand people indeed have been 197 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: killed amidst the crackdown. Mike Duran of Hudson Institute, the 198 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: think tanker, who is very well sourced from a running 199 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: distance there. I mentioned him earlier. He was tweeting over 200 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: the weekend. He said that telegram channels are circulating horrific 201 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: videos from Iran showing rows of bodies and makeshift and 202 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: more facilities. Again, folks, this is a slaughter. It is 203 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: an absolute slaughter. What's happening in Ron. I would not 204 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: recommend that Donald Trump make the red line threat, but 205 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: he did. He said numerous times that if the regime 206 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: starts massacring as people, then the United States will get involved. 207 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: I hate to say, if that's exactly what's happening, something's 208 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: going to have to happen. This is why you should 209 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: be cautious about making redline threats, because when you do 210 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: it and then they actually call your bluff, you can't 211 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: let them bluff. You have to act. What exactly that 212 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: looks like in practice? Well, we will have some thoughts 213 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: for you on the other side of this commercial break. 214 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: Josh Hammer hosting here the Josh Hammer Show on Salem 215 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: News Channel. On Newsweek's YouTube page. You neverwhere that you 216 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Hope you had a great weekend, folks. Again, 217 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: there's so much to get to in the news. On 218 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: the other side of this break, we'll talk about possible 219 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: options for Donald Trump in Iran and lots of other 220 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: stories to get to. I'm Josh or Stable us of 221 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: the break. We'll be right back. Welcome back. So if 222 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: you believe any sense of the numbers that we're getting here, 223 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: it seems that Donald Trump does have to act again. 224 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: We can have the date over whether or not it's 225 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: good to issue redline threats in the first place. I'm 226 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: pretty skeptical of them for this very reason. But if 227 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: they call your bluff, you gotta act. So what does 228 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: that look like? At a bare minimum, At a bare minimum, 229 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: some serious cyber attacks seem to be a very good idea. 230 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: As our guest Rich Goldberg was talking about this past week, 231 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: tried to get at the Iranian Central Bank think about 232 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: the stucksnet virus. This virus to make some of the 233 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: Iran and nuclear reactors basically have a mini meltown of sorts. 234 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: It was largely viewed as being done by Israel. During 235 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: the aubamministration about fifteen years ago, give her a take. 236 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: And also at this point, again, since you've offered the 237 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,359 Speaker 1: redline already, you probably ought to strongly consider additional military 238 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: action as well, whether it's against Iran's and nuclear facilities, 239 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: against their ballistic missile programs. There at this point, if 240 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: the Ayatola can be reliably found, and that's very difficult 241 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: to use and done, but if you can get a 242 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: clean shot of the Ayatola come iny while the regime 243 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: is on the brink like this, you probably take that shot. 244 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: At this point. That's not something that I say lightly. Again, 245 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to toppling a regime, whether it's from 246 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: the Iranian people or potentially with assistance from Donald Trump 247 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: given his red line, you never know what's going to 248 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: happen next. This is why America has a very sordid 249 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: history when it comes to regime change, including in the 250 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: Middle East, but Iranie it really is in many ways 251 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: fundamentally different. Given this infamous mismatch between the Islamist regime 252 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: and the historically more Western minded Iranian people. It's an 253 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: America's interest that this horrific, horrific regime fall, and at 254 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: this point, Donald Trump's I'm sorry to be the bearer 255 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: of bad news. His hands to an extent definitely are tied. 256 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: We'll see exactly what it looks like, but definitely we're 257 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: paying attention to this on an hour by hour basis. 258 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump will be briefed tomorrow again on the latest 259 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: in case he has not already acted by them. Meanwhile, 260 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: any Semitism tragically continues just to be a genuine scourge, 261 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: a genuine scourge all across the American political spectrum, in 262 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: all across American life. There were a couple of events 263 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: over the past few days that we probably ought to discuss. 264 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: The first episode happened in Queens, in Queens, New York, 265 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: the home borough of President Donald J. Trump, And this 266 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: happens this past Thursday evening. Now, the notion that there 267 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: was going to be a protest outside of a yeshiva, 268 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: which is a religious Jewish education in Queens. The notion 269 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: that there's going to be a protest outside this synagogue 270 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: yeshiva was actually telegraphed. It was known very well in 271 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: advance that there was going to be this horrific protest 272 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: from a lot of rabid Hama supporting freaks. And sure enough, 273 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: that's actually exactly what happened. A group called Palestinian Assembly 274 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: for Liberation organized this rally outside Young Israel, which is 275 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: a fairly prominent Orthodox synagogue. They're in the Borough of Creems, 276 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: and these so called protesters gathered and among other things 277 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: that they started chanting, they said, we support Hamas here, 278 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: we support Tamas here. Hmm. Maybe, just maybe, if you 279 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: are going to a synagogue where there are Jews and 280 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: you are trying to prevent their entrance into the house 281 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: of worship in clear defiance of the Face Act, the 282 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: Clinton era statute from nine ninety four that criminalized at 283 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: a federal level, efforts to do exactly that the bidodminstruation 284 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: weaponize a statue to prosecute pro life grannies praying outside 285 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: abortion clinics. What it actually meant, the Face Acts was 286 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: to prevent this. We saw a very similar thing, by 287 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: the way, in Los Angeles in the summer of twenty 288 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: twenty four, where he had quote unquote Palastinian protesters aka 289 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: pro g Ghati kafia clad freaks preventing Jews from going 290 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: into house worship. Literally, why the Face Act was written. 291 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: So they're here in Queens this this past Thursday and 292 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: Zormamdanni took about twenty four hours to respond and then 293 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: finally finally press for comby Plitigo on Frea f Nune says, yeah, yeah, yeah, 294 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: that was the word wrong choice. I saw some headline 295 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: that New York City Jewish leaders are now concerned by Zormandanni. 296 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now that the guy who literally couldn't condemn 297 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: globalizing defodiph for his life. Now you're concerned, Really, what 298 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: is wrong with you? 299 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: You know? 300 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: I did an event in New York, speaking of New 301 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: York a couple of years ago, with Michael moynihan, a 302 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: very funny libertarian of the Fifth Column podcast, and a 303 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: not particularly funny woman by the name of Katherine Rample. 304 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: Katherine Rampole is kind of the worst stereotype of what 305 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: a liberal Jewish political commentator might might think like and 306 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: what she how she might approach the world. So Kathy 307 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: Rample was on ms now, the rebranded MSNBC, and had 308 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: a very on point, steritable comments. Here was Kathy Rample 309 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: on ms now. 310 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: We don't know what the motive is, we should say, 311 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I know what it looks like certainly, and 312 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 3: as a Jewish person myself, you know, I can use 313 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: my imagination for what might have gone on here. I 314 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: think one of the scariest things is that, like if 315 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: this was a hate crime, as it certainly looks to be, 316 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: we don't necessarily know which side the hate crime came from. 317 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: Which is a new thing. Right, you know, we're as 318 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: Jews you're used to in this country fielding some hatred 319 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 3: from the far right, but we're seeing some of it 320 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 3: from the far left as well, and it can feel 321 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: very lonely, like you don't really have a lot of 322 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 3: allies who who care about keeping you safe. So it's upsetting. 323 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So rample there. And I'm as now talking about 324 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: the other of two terrible antisemitic incidents that's happened in 325 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: the Nine States in recent days. I actually just learned 326 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: about this other one on a Sunday apparently in the early, 327 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: very early pre dawn hours on Saturday morning aka Shabat 328 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: the Jewish Sabbath in Jackson, Mississippi, the capitol and largest 329 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: city in Mississippi in the Magnolia States, the largest synagogue 330 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: of the entire state, Beth Israel, which has which has 331 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: a bit of a history actually of these sort of things. 332 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: In fact, in nineteen sixty seven, the synagogue was also 333 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: torched in an act of arson by the ku Klux Klan, 334 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: given the rabbi's outspoken support of civil rights at the time. 335 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: So yet again there was there was a horrific arsen 336 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: attack in Jack's, Mississippi at the largest synagogue in the 337 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: entire state. Many holy books, tourist scrolls, so the Jews 338 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: Holy Book, the Torah, the Bible, many of them tragically burned, 339 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: although interestingly, there was one tourist scroll that actually survived 340 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: the Holocaust, that was actually in a glass safe that 341 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: managed to survive unscathed. Make of that what you will, 342 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: but multiple, multiple terrible acts of anti Semitism happening in 343 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: the United States over over the past few days. Now, 344 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: Zoria and Mam Donnie, Zora and Mamdanni for what it's worth, 345 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, kind of sort of condemned what happened 346 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: in Queen's own backyard. Took it too him a very 347 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: long time to do. So lets let's go ahead and 348 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: watch this. This here was Zormam Donnie. This could be brought 349 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: to us courtesy of art. 350 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: What do you think of those protests? What do you 351 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: think of those protesters that said we support hamas here 352 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: in Queen. 353 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: I think that that language is wrong. I think that 354 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: language has no place in New York City. Okay, so 355 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: again your words mean nothing, mister mayor like literally nothing. 356 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: Like dude literally spent half of his first day as 357 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: mayor on New Year's Day, after getting sworn in, you know, 358 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: after that whole bone chilling or wheeling in the frigidity 359 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: of individualism and the warmth of collectivism, after that horrific speech, 360 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: he signed his slew of executive orders, multiple of them 361 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: literally multiple targeted at the Jewish community when it comes 362 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: to trying to strip additional anti antisemitism protections there. So 363 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Zormam, Donnie, you can you can take your 364 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: faux concern. You can shove it where the sun don't shine, 365 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: because you are full of some of the largest crap 366 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: in this entire Western hemisphere. But it actually was not 367 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: just Zoram, Memdannie. Interestingly, over the weekend, it's not lost 368 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: many of us that tons of prominent Democrats Tiss James, Alexandroo, 369 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: Cosio Cortez, Chuck Schumer, Kathy Hockel, Kristen gillibrand Ma'm donnie. 370 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: As I mentioned there, centator Jackie Roseen and many others 371 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: had deeply clearly coordinated messaging when it comes to condemning 372 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: the Hamas so called protests in Queens. Alexandro Cosio Chords has, 373 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: for instance, the girl who literally in her first year 374 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: as Congress back in twenty nineteen, had the hutzba to 375 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: compare ice detention centers to concentration camps. Yeah, that girl, 376 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: the girl who has literally no selftwares whatsoever when it 377 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: comes to Jewish related issues. She said this quote. Hey, 378 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: so marching into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and leading with 379 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: a chance saying we support Hamas is a disgusting ninety 380 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: sement to do. Pretty basic. So what is this? I mean, 381 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: what are the Democrats doing here? Again? This is so 382 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: clearly coronated Tiss James Hamasa terrorist organization. We do not 383 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: support terrorists, Chuck Schumer. Let's be clear, Hamas terrorist organization 384 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: committed to the destruction of Jews. Blah blah blah blah. 385 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: Obviously that's correct, But what is the motive? What are 386 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: Democrats getting out here? Why are they now only now 387 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: season on what happens at the Queen's synagogue this past 388 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: week in New York City. What is the goal? Well, 389 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: I think I have a pretty idea of what they're getting 390 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: out here. I'll explain on the other side of this break. 391 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer. Stay with us, we'll be right back. 392 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: Welcome back. So before the break, you're talking about this 393 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: clearly coronated messaging by prominent elected Democrats of the weekend 394 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: where they're all condemning, condemning to the nines, condemning as 395 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: loud as you can possibly shout these horrific pro hamas 396 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: protesters trying to disrupt Jews in violation of the Face 397 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: Act potentially of ninet ninety four of actually entering a 398 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: house of warship. By the way, the event was apparently 399 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: not even a religious event. It was an event about 400 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: possibly buying real estate in Israel. I'm pretty sure that 401 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: you're allowed to buy real estate in foreign countries if 402 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: you're an American there, And in fact, Tucker Carlson might 403 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: know a thing or two about that, given the fact 404 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: that fairly recently at the Doha Forum he told the 405 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: amer Qatar that he was going to try to buy 406 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: some property in Doha, Qatar. Why, asked Tucker, Because I'm 407 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: an American and that's my right. Okay, so it's your right, 408 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: but it's not the Jews rights by property as well. 409 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: I mean to get that out of here. It's also stupid. 410 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: But why are the Democrats doing this? Why are they 411 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: now all coronating on their secret slack channels or their 412 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: secret WhatsApp bat's chats, whatever it is there. Why are 413 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: they coordinating? To me, the answer is obvious. They smell blood. 414 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: They smell blood because they look. They look at the 415 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: other side. They look at the right, and they see 416 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: that the right is trying to fight off a lot 417 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: of demons at this time. They see that Tucker Carlson 418 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: and Megan Kelly had a grand yucket Up podcast conversation 419 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: this past week where they lavished praise upon Holocaust denying 420 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: freak self emitted fan of Hitler and Stall and Nick Fuents. 421 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: Maybe they saw that Tuger Carls himself, unfortunately, was actually 422 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: at the White House this past Friday. I don't know 423 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: who invited him, but he was at that lunch with 424 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the various American oil executives, the CEOs, 425 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: big dogs about energy and oil extraction in Venezuela, and in 426 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: a post Maduro world. So the left, which has never 427 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: ever exert a single muscle trying to condemn jew hatred, 428 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: trying to rein in their anti Western civilization, pro Islamist 429 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: shock troop grassroots. They've done nothing. Now they're pouncing on 430 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: this because they see an opportunity. They smell blood. They're 431 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: trying to get donor money. But that donor money is 432 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: from Jews or from file Semitic Christians, Christian Zionist, etc. 433 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: They want their donor money. It's a midterm yar and 434 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: Democrats want the house back, want the center back. That's 435 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: all this is about. But if I'm right, and I'm 436 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: pretty sure i am, then that really should raise some 437 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: obvious questions. Namely, if you are not condemning the rots 438 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: on the right, and you're on the right, then what 439 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: exactly are you doing? Holding morality aside for a second there, 440 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: holding morality and basic human deity aside. This is what 441 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: you are a betting. You are a betting Democrats making 442 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: a cynical, wholly and persuasive and deeply cynical attempt to 443 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: try to get voters and get donors back to their side, 444 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: the very voters and donors who maybe maybe maybe might 445 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: have been inclined to continue their right word step. I 446 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: mean Kathin Rample, who were playing before the break on 447 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: MS NOW talking about how apparently she's just just waking 448 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: up to left through any semintism. Where have you been? 449 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: Where have you been? Are you kidding me? This really 450 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: starting ernest under Barack Obama. It totally went to the 451 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: next level during the by administration, in the post October seven, 452 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three world in particular, But a lot of 453 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: this starts with Barack Obama, the first leftist ideolog the 454 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: first intellectual left wing creature of the American Academy, a 455 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: post Frankfurt School, post cultural Marxism takeover of the Academy presidents. 456 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: It really started back then during the Obama minstration. The 457 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: left has been losing the plot on this for a 458 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: very very, very long time. Don't give them any ability, 459 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: even if it's a wholy unpersuasive one, to try to 460 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: claim the moral high ground. Don't allow it to happen, Folks. 461 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: You have to police your own side. We don't enjoy it, 462 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: but we have to do it because only when the 463 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: right is not flirting with Nazis and Nazi of betters 464 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: only when they are all shunted aside, can this be 465 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: a politically viable movement? You know, in many ways, much 466 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: of this so called wolk right stuff, I don't particularly 467 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: love that name, but it's really the label that stuck. 468 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: So it is what it is. A lot of this 469 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: so called wolk right stuff, as a friend put to 470 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: me recently, is really the rights version of defund the police. 471 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: You might think it's edgy, you might think it's scratches, 472 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: a transgressive itch. You might feel cool about yourself texting 473 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: your group chats. Oh the JQ if you don't know, 474 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: the JQ is good for you. That's short for the 475 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: Jewish question, a phrase that was very popular in Nazierra. 476 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: A journey. I might ed you and I think it's 477 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: cool to be doing this stuff is political poison for 478 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: the American people. And congratuate freakinglations. You have now allowed 479 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: Alexandro Kasio Cortes, Chuck Schumer tiss, James Kathy Hokeel, and 480 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: the rest of the Democrat clambrigate to putatively purportedly condemned Hamas. 481 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: And you're gonna have some people that might scamper back 482 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: to their side because apparently they think incorrectly, but they 483 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: still think that maybe, just maybe the Dems the side 484 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: that is actually capable of condemning any Semitism. Again, it's 485 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: not true, it's absolutely not true. But why in the 486 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: world would you let them play that game? It just 487 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: makes no sense whatsoever. By the way, in related news, 488 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: some large media waves happening just this past week as 489 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: well when it comes to US Israel relations related to 490 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: what we were just talking about. There so an interview 491 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: that came out with The Economist, the well known British 492 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: economic and political journal. It came out just this past Friday. 493 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: Prim Miss Natanyahu said that during his recent trip to 494 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: marrow Lago to meet with President Donald Trump, the topic 495 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: of US foreign aid to Israel came up in conversation, 496 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: and apparently in this interview with the Economist, Nattinnahu said 497 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: that during his trip to mar Lago and Netziaho apparently 498 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: told Trump that Israel quote very deeply appreciates the military 499 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: aid that America has given over the years, but we've 500 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: come of age, meaning Israel's come of age, and we've 501 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: developed incredible capacity and their economy which will reach certainly 502 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: certainly within a decade, will reach about a trillion dollars. 503 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: It's not a huge economy, it's not a small economy. 504 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: So I want to taper off military aid within the 505 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: next ten years. So Natiyaho apparently announcing formally. He's hinted 506 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: this many times, but apparently this is his first formal 507 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: announcement that he contends to wean Israel off American foreign aid, 508 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: to which I just clap my hands and say, bravo. 509 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: I've only been calling for this month for my entire 510 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: adult lifetime. I've been saying this for well over a 511 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: decade since I first started forming political opinions. When it 512 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: comes to foreign affairs, it should be fairly obvious. It 513 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: should be fairly obvious that although it is a short 514 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: term boost, a short term boost for both for both countries. 515 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: By the way, you know this, This three to four 516 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: billion dollars an hour nual aid of the US gust Israelis, 517 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: by the way, is a total drop in the bucket 518 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: of the budget. It's a total nothing burger in the budget. 519 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid, but 520 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: foreign a in general is a very small amount of 521 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: the budget. But it should be pretty obvious that it 522 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: ends up being a long term detriment for both countries. 523 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: It's a short term boost for sure, the short term 524 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: boost for the United States because that money virtually ends 525 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: up all coming back to the United States. The money 526 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: comes with strings attached and comes up coming back being 527 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: spent primarily on defense contractors, adding jobstca there. And then 528 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: for Israel, it's obviously a boost because they get the money, 529 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: they have weapons that are there. But in the long 530 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: term it's harmful to both sides. It's harmful to the 531 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: United States for two reasons. One because it ends up 532 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: being something of an act of cronyism, of crony capitalism, 533 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: to use a somewhat outmoded but nonetheless is still descriptive term. 534 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: It's crony capitalism where you then have tax payer dollars 535 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: essentially padding the bottom line of defense contractors like Boeing 536 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: and North of Grumming. And it it's also it's also 537 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: just another expense, foreign aid, another expense. Is it a 538 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: huge part of the budget, No, but it's definitely part 539 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: of the budget For Israel, the long term costs comes 540 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: slightly more subtly, at the very cost of their own independence. 541 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: At the very cost you might argue of Zionism itself, 542 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: just the simple notion that the Jews should be sovereign 543 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: in their ancestral homeland. For every hostile president like Joe 544 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: Biden that you empower to try to say, oh, you 545 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: can't do this, or else I'm going to take the 546 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: aid away, you are undermining your own independence. If you 547 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: are a true nationalist, and I am a nationalist, I 548 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: believe in a world of independent nation states. I hate globalism, 549 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: hate it. If you're a nationalist, you should be deeply, 550 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: deeply skeptical of all foreign aid arrangements, certainly including but 551 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: not limited to US IS relate. I'm not saying cut 552 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: it off overnight. But what I am saying is that 553 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: this is a very very very good thing. The nets 554 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: Yahoo is starting to come around to. I look forward 555 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: to seeing some more in the way of details as 556 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: to exactly what he means by this and how it's 557 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: actually gonna be imprinted. I don't have all the answers there. 558 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: Hopefully we get more on that soon, but big, big 559 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: news for now. Stay with us with the break, folks, 560 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer. We'll be right back. Welcome back. As 561 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: were saying before the break, foreign eight is not a 562 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: huge part of the federal budget in general. Look, there 563 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: are a lot of folks who obsess over the question 564 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: of foreign eight. Many of them are obsessed with Jews. 565 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: Some of them just are not. Foreign aid in general 566 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: is a tidy part of the federal budget. And it's 567 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: true that Israel is the large recipient, Egypt is the 568 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: second largest. I happen to be skeptic for what it's 569 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: worth of all of it, for numerous reasons. One is 570 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: again just just basic reasons of fiscal solvency. This country 571 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: runs in trillion dollar deficits these days, seemingly year in 572 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: year out. That's not good. It is deeply immoral to 573 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: try to enslave future generations, our children generation, in our 574 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: children's children generation, to try to enslave them to the 575 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: soft slavery and soft tyranny of indebtedness. It's immoral. It's 576 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: deeply wrong. Also, when you start having these gargantuan deficits 577 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: every year, mere interest rates on the debt will start 578 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: to become one of, if not the single largest line 579 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: item of the federal budget. It just doesn't make any sense. 580 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: So again, cutting foreign ad is not going to solve 581 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: our fiscal woes, right, it's only going to have to 582 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: happen when it comes to social security and medicare. We 583 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: discussed a little bit with uvoll Levin that just this 584 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: past week here on the show. These entilent programs are 585 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: the things that are making America go bankrupt and unless 586 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: than until those two things are solved, unfortunately, America is 587 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: looking at a pretty serious fiscal cliff, probably within the 588 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: next six to ten years. But foreign aid, while a 589 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: small portion of it, doesn't help, I mean should we 590 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: certainly should still be trying to ferret out and to 591 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: root out waste fraud abuse wherever we have it. And 592 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: the notion of waste and abuse gets to the other 593 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: issue with foreign aid. The other issue is that where 594 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: you look at where this goes, Israel's not really a 595 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: great example because they are a functioning democracy, but a 596 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: lot of the other countries where American foreign aid goes 597 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean the kleptocracy. I mean, take a random country 598 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: in Africa or Asia or whatever. Do you think that 599 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: your hard earned taxpayer dollars in foreign aate to that 600 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: country is actually going to help the poor people of 601 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: that country. You're actually going to help provide clothing and 602 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: food and shelter for the folks in Sub Saharan Africa, 603 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: for instance. Maybe you are to an extent, I mean, 604 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: surely there are some instances where US foreign aid does 605 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: end up finding its intented recipients. Maybe there are sometimes 606 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: even in the Russi of Ukraine war, this terrible war 607 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: the past few years. MAYI there are sometimes where that 608 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: foreign aid is indeed going to find its way to 609 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: a family that has lost a young man who served 610 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: as country and was gonne down by a Russian plane. 611 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: Maybe it's going to provide shelter for elderly people, Holocaust survivors, whatever. Maybe, 612 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: but it's more often than not going to end up 613 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: in the hands of well connected government bureaucrats. It will 614 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: end up in the coffers of individuals organizations where it 615 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: does not belong. Foreign eight is not a particularly good 616 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: idea in the first place, in theory. In theory, it 617 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 1: could be an interesting tool of very soft diplomacy. Emphasis 618 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: is on theory because in practice it does end up 619 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: being of dubious efficacy at best and profoundly count productive 620 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: at worse. So I have at a long time skeptic 621 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: of foreign aid. On the specific question of USA to Israel, 622 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: which is basically basically the entire reason that the organization 623 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: A pack exists to get this massive a package every year. 624 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: I have been shouting into the ABYSS for again for 625 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: over a decade, saying, not a great idea, frankly for 626 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: either country. Can we find a way to wind this down. 627 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: In fact, in my book Over my Shoulder, Israel and Civilization, 628 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: I called for exactly this, for this bilateral aid arrangement 629 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: to be bound down. The problem has been twofold. The 630 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: problem has been American defense contractors. There's reason. There's a reason, 631 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: for instance, that politicians like Lindsey Graham have historically been 632 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: among the largest boosters of this annual aid package because 633 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: his state, South Carolina is home to massive, massive defense 634 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: contract or infrastructure. So that's been the one hindrance. The 635 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: other hindrance has been on the Israeli side, and they're 636 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 1: feeling like they just can't do it, They just can't 637 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: separate from the teat of their outlly and be independent. 638 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: But they really ought to, They really ought to, and 639 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: defense contractors frankly don't need any more taxpayer largest so 640 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: very so frankly, when it comes to the four and 641 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: a conversation, and we will certainly continue to keep tabs 642 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: on it as we learn more over the next few weeks, 643 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: next few months, and so forth. One final story that 644 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: I did want touch on before the end of today's show. 645 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: So just yesterday we learned that the Chairman of the 646 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve, Chairman Jerome Palell aka Jerry Pal as he 647 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: is typically known Jerry Pal, saying that the DOJ under 648 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: turning General Pam Bondi, has served the Federal Reserve with 649 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: subpoenas and has apparently threatened it with a criminal indictment. 650 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: This was over Chairman Pal's testimony this past summer. So 651 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: this great big ballroom in the eastern of the White 652 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: House is not the only major renovation, only major act 653 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: of construction happening near the National Mall in Washington State. 654 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: The Federal Reserve, which very prominently sits there right on 655 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: the National Mall as well. The Federal Reserve is having huge, 656 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: huge renovations to their building as well. I actually was 657 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: just in DC about a month ago for the White 658 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: House Honka Party, and I saw some of as myself firsthand, 659 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: just walking around the town with my wife, and apparently 660 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: the allegation here The subpoenas relate to Cheerum Powell's testimony 661 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: this in June this past June before the Senate Banking Committee, 662 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: where Cheerum Palell said regarding the Fed's two and a 663 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: half billion dollar renovation of two office buildings that he 664 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: basically criticized this as excessive. So apparently now they're potentially 665 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: indicting him. I don't, to be honest if you do 666 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: exactly know exactly what this would look like when it 667 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: comes to in Diamond there. I presume that it would 668 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: be perjury or something close to perjury. But you know, frankly, 669 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe not the best use of the administration's capacities. 670 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: At this time. I saw Center Roger Marshall of Kansas 671 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: alerts they saying something very similar. Again, if he purge himself, 672 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: that's then he purn himself. I mean, I happened to 673 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: think perjury is terrible. I think that Jim Comey all 674 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: but as surely persua himself. In twenty twenty one, within 675 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: the five year statute limitations, we'll see if that Comy 676 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: indictment can possibly be resuscraated after a judge threw it out. 677 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: The dj is currently appealing that dismissal. We'll keep tabs 678 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: in very close for you here on the Josh Hammer Show. 679 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: When it comes to Jerry Pale again, if he purged himself, 680 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: she prosecuted. If not, then they should be prosecuted. But 681 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: the relevant point to me is more about the response. 682 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: I care less about the actual indictment than the response, 683 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: which is very talent. In response, Jerry Palell immediately went 684 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: full Federal Reserve independence. He said, quote, the threat of 685 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: criminal charge a consequence of the Federal Reserve setting interest 686 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: rates based on our best assessment of what will serve 687 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: the public, rather than following the preferences of the president. 688 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: He's getting here at this point that the FED is independent. 689 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: How many times we heard this? The FED is independent. 690 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: It's an independent central bank. It's not part of the 691 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: executive branch, it's not part of Congress. And I saw 692 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: some other Republican elected officials. I saw Tom Tillis of 693 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina, who's about as useless a member of the 694 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: Republican Caucus and the Senate as it gets. Tom Tillis 695 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: echoing the exact same talking points. The independent in central 696 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: bank there, this threatens the independence. Till Us actually went 697 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: way further than Roger Marshall. Till Us apparently said that 698 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: he is actually now going to hold up all of 699 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: his own votes for Donald Trump's Federal Reserve Board of Governors, 700 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: apparently unless until this subpoena, this indictment whatever it is, 701 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: of Jerry Palell is dropped, which is totally ludicrous, folks. 702 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: The relevant point is this, there's no such thing as 703 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: an independent agency. Ah, it means you want to pull 704 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: my hair out? How many times must be remind all 705 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: of the would be armchair constitutional scholars of this most 706 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: rudimentary point. Now there is a case pendem from the 707 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: Spreme Court right now, Trump versus Slaughter. It's not about 708 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: the FED. It's about the FTC, the Felt Trade Commission. 709 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: By the constitutionality or lack thereof, of a so called 710 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: independent agency will that applied to the FED when they 711 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: rule on it. It's expected that the Slaughter case is 712 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: going to probably rule against independ agencies as it should, 713 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: as it definitely should. The ES Central Bank historically has 714 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: been viewed as something of an exception to the rule. 715 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: ES central banks historically are given greater leeway for historical reason. 716 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: They'll go back to the bank the United say's blah 717 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: blah blah. I don't care. I do not care, folks. 718 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: When it comes to structural constitutionalism, the following truism holds 719 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: the test of time. You're in an article on the Congress, 720 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: you're in article to the Executive Branch, or you're in 721 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: article three to the Judiciary. There's no fourth option. Door one, 722 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: door two, door three, no door. Where's the FED? I 723 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: don't know. It probably should be hard of the executive 724 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: branch of the Congress, though, So enough of this garbage 725 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: independent Federal Reserve talking point. I hate it. It means 726 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: you want to pull my hero out. It's constitutional illiteracy. 727 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: One oh one is an indictment justified. I don't know. 728 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm not on the case. What I do know is 729 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: that the independent FED rebuke is garbage, and it should 730 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: stay garbage and should be dismissed easily by the Supreme 731 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: Court in the Slaughter case. Hope you enjoyed, say show. 732 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: We'll be right back tomorrow. I'm Josh Hammer. Have a 733 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: good evening. The Josh Hamber Show is a member of 734 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: the Trust Project