1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: Hi from the Salvation Army. You're listening to Words of 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: Life are. 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: The worst. 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 3: Words. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: These are the words of life. 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Words of Life. We are now in 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 3: our second week of a series where we're having conversations 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 3: with Christian writers of all kinds. Today we're being joined 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: by our friend Kara Rodriguez as she shares her passion 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: for journaling as an act of worship. Kristen, welcome back, 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: and today we are joined by Kara Rodriguez. 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, I'm Kara. Sorry. I am an Officers child. 14 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: I have grown up in the Army my whole life. 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm actually sixth generation. I've just always known this life. 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: I've always known about Jesus, you know, and God and 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: the creation story and all the things. But it's funny 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: growing up because you just always know about it and 19 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: then you get to the age where you have to 20 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: really decide is this what I'm gonna believe in and do? 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: And it was just nice to have a whole family 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: core wise and sally wise, because we're six generation, to 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: just have people around you to say, hey, this is 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: the way, walk in it kind of thing. I'm also 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: married and i have two boys. Who keep us moving 26 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: and grooving at all times of the day. And me 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: and my husband both were born and raised in Texas, 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: but we moved to Georgia twelve years ago, which is 29 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: crazy because we both said we'll do ten years and 30 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: we'll go back, we'll go home. We're still here. We'll 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: probably be here forever. But that's just me and who 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: we are. And I work in the THD Youth Department. 33 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: I am the Young Adult and Missions Coordinator for the 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Southern Territory, which just means they get to hang out 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: with young adults and really kind of spearhead our Salvation 36 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: Service Corps. What is that program? 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: So? 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Our Salvation Service Corps is a six weeks missions trip 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: for young adults from the ages of eighteen to twenty five, 40 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: and every year we try to send three teams at 41 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: least and we usually keep a team within the States 42 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: to go somewhere like last year they went to Alaska. 43 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: This year they're going to Washington, Like there's lots of 44 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: things to do, and we send teams. Last year we 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: had eighteen go out and they will come in do 46 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: an orientation with us for a week and get to 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: try and know everything they can before they go out, 48 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: but it's the six weeks trip where our mission is 49 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: to love serving disciple, anybody and everybody that we come 50 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: into contact with. And it's just amazing to see these 51 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: young adults go out and then come back because they 52 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: are completely different people. 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: Hey, you're listening to the Salvation Armies words of Life. 54 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 3: We're gonna take a quick ad break and. 55 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. I think there's nothing more personal 56 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: than your writing. Like if you get a letter in 57 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: the mail, somebody took the time to put those words 58 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: down on that paper and send it to you. It 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: is meant for you. It's very personal, so it just 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: has more meaning. And I love I love mail and 61 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: sending mail and getting male It's like one of my 62 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: favorite things because it's so personal. You get to just 63 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: bring a little bit of light where you're sending it, 64 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: and it's really nice. But I also think when you're writing, 65 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: you have to take the time to sit down and 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: do that. It's not something that you just rush through 67 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: or just kind of like, oh well, we'll just say 68 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: this and keep going. You have to really know what 69 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: you're putting into this letter. And I think you can 70 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: really see that in Paul's letters. In the New Testament, 71 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: he is writing to these people to say, Hey, this 72 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: is what you're doing, this is what you should do, 73 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: or here's how you fix this. It's just a very 74 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: personal thing meant for you. So I think that's why 75 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: it's extra special and means more, at least to me. 76 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: I would say, I mean one thing I encourage any 77 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: guys out there listening to And I know this goes 78 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: the other direction as well, but as often as I 79 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: text my wife a million times during the day, she 80 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: loves getting cards. And if you just give your wife 81 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: a card just on a random day to. 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, yeah, it does. 83 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 4: So, Kara, what is your experience with journaling. 84 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I journal a lot. I have a lot 85 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: of journals, and my journals get to be very thick 86 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: insize because I write so much in them. For me, 87 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: it's a really big mental health and spiritual health process 88 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: for me. It helps me just I get up early 89 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: in the mornings, five point thirty every morning because it 90 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: is the only time of quiet I have all day 91 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: with two boys and a husband in the house. So 92 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: I go downstairs, I get my cup of coffee and 93 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: I journal. I get everything out of my head. I 94 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: write everything down, and I just start my day a 95 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: little bit lighter because it's not still in my head 96 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: or like processing. I've gotten it all out and just 97 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: helps me breathe through the day and figure out where 98 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm going and clear my head and take the noise out. 99 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: So for me, it's just a way to like a 100 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: pressure belve. Yeah, it's like, Okay, I can start the 101 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: day because I'm ready to go. I've gotten all the 102 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: anxiety out and all of this because I struggle very 103 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: much with anxiety. I take medicine, I go to therapy, 104 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: I do all the things which are great, but journaling 105 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: for me is a big method of helping me as well, 106 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,119 Speaker 1: just to kind of cool myself down and get ready 107 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: for the day ahead. 108 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 4: So in that way, would you say that it's kind 109 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 4: of a form of surrender, like a formal worship. 110 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: One hundred percent one hundred percent a form of worship 111 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: for me, I always think like the psalms are David's journal. 112 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: It is the way he you see everything. You see 113 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: his lows, like the grief, the fear, the anguish, but 114 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: you also see these big beautiful highs and it's like 115 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: joy and praise and love and adoration, and again, like, 116 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: what is more personal than your journal, than what you're 117 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: going through, than all these things? Like your journal is raw, 118 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: it is it's not for anybody else. It's what I 119 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: always say, this is for me. I don't it's not 120 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: for anybody else to read. And that's fine, but it's 121 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: also where I can pour everything out. If I pray 122 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: in my head, I get lost and I get distracted 123 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: and I've got too many things going on. The Lord 124 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: doesn't want us to not have emotions. The Lord is 125 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: an emotional god, so he wants your emotions. He wants 126 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: to know what you're going through. And that's just I 127 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: think even just being more personal and having that conversation 128 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: with him is an act of worship to say, here's 129 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: all of my junk I'm going through. Can you help me? 130 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: Or can you just take it for just a minute 131 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: and let me like cry it out and be like Okay, 132 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: I feel better. I can take it back. But it 133 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: is it's just a way of like if King David 134 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: can do this, I can do this. Like this is fine, 135 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 1: It's just it. It's just a beautiful way of getting 136 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: everything out of your head and having time. 137 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 4: I'm reading through the psalms right now. Ah, I'm kind 138 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 4: of stuck in them. Yeah. 139 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: Probably. 140 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: A couple of weeks ago, I was reading one where 141 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 4: David is complaining, of course because he does so all 142 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: the time. Yes, but he's like, these people are being 143 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: so rude to me. 144 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: God, just give them what is coming to them. 145 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 4: It's not even like, please help me deal with this situation. 146 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, just help me get through this. 147 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: Maybe soften their hearts. No, it's let them have what's 148 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: coming to them. 149 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, that's real. Yeah, And I think 150 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: the Lord chuckles at us when we say things like that, 151 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just give it to him, and he's gonna 152 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, bless your heart because it's no. 153 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: But we'll get there, you know, so I'll. 154 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: Get in your mind. 155 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: God is Southern, Yeah, of course he is. Y'all. Just 156 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: to be. 157 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 3: We pray that you're enjoying and being blessed by this conversation. 158 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: We're going to take one more ad break and we'll 159 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: be right back. 160 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 4: So we talked earlier about Salvation and Service Corps, and 161 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 4: part of your role in that is preparing to send 162 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,239 Speaker 4: the young adults into the mission field. 163 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: Do you suggest. 164 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 4: Journaling as a helpful tool for them, and how do 165 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 4: you prepare them for that? 166 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Yes, so before they go out for their six weeks 167 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: mission strip, they will come here to Atlanta and meet 168 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: with us for a week of orientation. And in their 169 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: week of orientation, they're doing like trainings. They're meeting with 170 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: people who they're going to go and see who. They're 171 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: figuring out what they're going to do during this week 172 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: six weeks, what they need to kind of plan and 173 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: put together. Some of these young adults have never done 174 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: anything like this. So Major Matt does this really good 175 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: lesson of like here's how you can write a devotion, 176 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: Here's how you can write a sermon, here's how you 177 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: can do a VBS. And it's just all of these 178 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: very practical things that you'll need to know. So the 179 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: first day they get here, I give them like a 180 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: little goodie bag and it has a journal in it 181 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: and it has a pin in it, and it's like, 182 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: when you go out, you can still use this, not 183 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: only because it has all of your notes in it, 184 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: but because this can be your process. Every night while 185 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: they're on their mission, they are supposed to have a 186 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: team meeting where they meet they come together at the 187 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: end of the night and just kind of process the day. 188 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: They do like highs and lows, like this is the 189 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: best part of the day and this was the hardest 190 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: part of the day, and like where did we see 191 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: God moving today? So even if you just wrote those 192 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: three things down in your journal, by time you got 193 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: home from your SS trip, it'd be so full of 194 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: all the things that you did. But I also do 195 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: a check in three weeks in so I'd call everybody individually, 196 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: and out of the eighteen last summer, I think fifteen 197 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: of them said, I just put a lot of things 198 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: down in my journal and it makes me feel better. 199 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, thank you. 200 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 4: From my own small mission experience, writing the small details 201 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: of the day, just throughout your whole journey, and then 202 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: at the end of it, being able to look back 203 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: and see the big picture of what God was doing 204 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: in every moment. 205 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: It's just so beautiful to be able to see that 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: after the fact. 207 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 4: What advice would you give to people who are maybe 208 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: interested in journaling but haven't really dip to toe in that, 209 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: maybe who are interested in incorporating it into their spiritual 210 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: lives but don't know how to do that. 211 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: Sure, first of all I would say, just give yourself grace. 212 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: If it doesn't happen every day, that's okay. It doesn't 213 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: have to be so regimented. It can be when you 214 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: need it most. Again, it's just for you. But give 215 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: yourself grace. And some days your journal can be really 216 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: pretty with your highlighters and your washy tape and your 217 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: stickers and it's beautiful. And some days it is just 218 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: your paper and your ink because you got to get 219 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: it all out of your head and just like let 220 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: it go, because you got to get it out, and 221 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: you can start easy. Start just writing your prayer down, 222 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: Start just writing scriptures that are in your head so 223 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: you can get into the habit of it. Or you 224 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: can go and see what you've prayed for and how 225 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: it's been answered. Is the best thing for me because 226 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: I have stacks of journals that have been filled out. 227 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: I actually use a planner as my journal, and also 228 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: I have a daily page every day and just to 229 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: go back, even at the beginning of the year you're 230 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: in and you're like, oh, man, like you don't even 231 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: realize how much the Lord is working, and you just 232 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: can go back and see it. But I would just say, 233 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: like give yourself grace. You can get a fifty cent 234 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: notebook from Walmart and a pencil and just go for 235 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: it because it's yours. You can do it however you 236 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: want to, however you need to, and it's just give 237 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: yourself grace while you're doing it, as long as you're honest. 238 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: Start small, and then you can grow from there. 239 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: The Salvation Army's mission doing the most good means helping 240 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: people with material and spiritual needs. You become a part 241 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: of this mission every time you give to the Salvation Army. 242 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: Visit Salvation ARMYUSA dot org to offer your support. You 243 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: can subscribe to Words of Life on your favorite podcast 244 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: store or visit Salvation armyesoundcast dot org. 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