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Speaker 1: that's Aaccfoundation dot org. Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton,

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Speaker 1: mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to help

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Speaker 1: push you past your limits and reach goals you never

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Speaker 1: thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So then, just

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Speaker 1: as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your

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Speaker 1: Now let's roll hello everybody, and welcome back into the

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Speaker 1: Build Different podcast is always I'll be your host today,

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Speaker 1: doctor Zach Clinton, and I know as of the release

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Speaker 1: of this episode where a couple weeks removed now from

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Speaker 1: an incredible time. I hope you guys celebrated freedom because again,

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Speaker 1: for the last two and a half centuries, men and women,

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Speaker 1: courageous men and women have fought on our behalf so

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Speaker 1: that we can live with liberty. Whether it was all

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Speaker 1: the way out in Normandy to Afghanistan to Falujah, wherever

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Speaker 1: I know, though, is that a lot of people may

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Speaker 1: is who will you become when you do. Our guest

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Speaker 1: Jason Redman is a retired Navy seal, a Bronze Star recipient,

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Speaker 1: want to miss. Jason Redmand, my friend, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for having us, and thank you for joining us

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Speaker 2: Zech come honored. Thank you guys for coming down. I'd

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Speaker 2: love to make a quick correction in my bio. I

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Speaker 2: am definitely not an expert in leadership. I am a

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Speaker 2: said it, leadership is a journey that never ends. And

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Speaker 2: if you ever dub yourself as an expert, you're starting

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Speaker 2: And they're right, that didn't work.

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Speaker 1: That's so true. Good correction right there, my friend. I

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Speaker 1: I'd love for you just to share upfront, maybe what

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Speaker 2: So what we want to do with this software is, hey,

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Speaker 2: But let's connect you to all your other benefits education, employment,

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Speaker 1: Right after this, you're listening to life audio. Wow, Jason,

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Speaker 1: our gratitude enough, my friend. You know as you talk

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Speaker 2: if they do. I think that's a formula for success.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely it has to be, because again Aristotle put it

434
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Speaker 1: best when he said, excellence is never an accident. It's

435
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: the result of high intention, sincere effort, and intelligent execution.

436
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: It's the wisest option among many alternatives. And he said, choice,

437
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: not chance, determines your destiny, your dreams, and your outcomes

438
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Speaker 1: in life. It's this idea where we have to prepare

439
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Speaker 1: for the painful seasons because it's not a matter of

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Speaker 1: if they come, it's when they come. I think one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite verses in Scripture Job chapter fourteen, verse

442
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Speaker 1: one says man born of woman is few of days,

443
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Speaker 1: but full of trouble. Not a matter of if, it's

444
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Speaker 1: a matter of when. Let's fast forward in your story, obviously,

445
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Speaker 1: September thirteenth, two thousand and seven. It's a moment where

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Speaker 1: everything changed. And I'm just thinking about the person out

447
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 1: there today, Jason, who they have ambush moments in their

448
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: own life, a phone call, failure, a diagnosis, whatever it

449
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Speaker 1: is where they get hit with the unexpected blow that

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Speaker 1: they never saw coming. Take us into the moment in

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Speaker 1: your life when there was an ambush that maybe had

452
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Speaker 1: the potential to change everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'm going to ask I'm going to

454
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Speaker 2: go back like for a minute, just because I think

455
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Speaker 2: it's critically important when we talk about life ambushes. So

456
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Speaker 2: many people go online. I mean, I think Netflix right

457
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: now has a new Seal special that features our gunfight,

458
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people will come up

459
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: to me and be like, oh my god, I can't

460
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: relate to that. I can't relate to the bullets and

461
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: bombs of battle. And I respect that. But the reality

462
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: is people may say I can't relate to the bullets

463
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: mountains of battle, but everyone, everyone can relate to the

464
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: bullets and bombs of life. Every human, if you've reached

465
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Speaker 2: a certain age, you've been shot down by injury or

466
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Speaker 2: illness or loss. All of us have been been blown

467
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Speaker 2: up by rejection or failure. And as humans, all of

468
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: us at some point are going to walk through the

469
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Speaker 2: minefields of depression and despair. And these are all connected,

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Speaker 2: these life ambushes. And when I wrote Overcome, we researched

471
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Speaker 2: and the average person will go through at least five

472
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Speaker 2: or six major major life ambush. These are life changing moments,

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Speaker 2: These are massive, massive things. They change the trajectory of

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Speaker 2: your life. What happens when these come along, And thankfully

475
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Speaker 2: we don't have too many of them because they're they're hard,

476
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: but they're the greatest opportunities to grow. And I firmly

477
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: believe God gives us these things to help us grow,

478
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: to move us in a different direction. And they're hard,

479
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: we can't understand them. So my first life ambush was

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00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: when I failed as a leader. And I'll just I'm

481
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: not going to get deep into the details. We don't

482
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: have the time today. The reason I talk about it

483
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: when I failed as a leader. It brought me to

484
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: the lowest point in my life. Literally, I put a

485
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Speaker 2: gun in my mouth in Afghanistan and I was going

486
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Speaker 2: to take my life. And God, thankfully really kind of

487
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: got my attention and was like, what are you doing?

488
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: Like what are you doing? What message do you send

489
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Speaker 2: to your wife and kids if you take your life

490
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan? You know, go get helpe And I sought

491
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Speaker 2: out the chaplain, the Special Forces chaplain, and I remember

492
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: telling him this whole stop story. I got myself in

493
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: trouble and you know, this is what happened. And he

494
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: was like, I thought my career was over. That's why

495
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: I was ready to take my life. I thought I

496
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: was going to get kicked out of the seal teams,

497
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: and he told me, hey, this may be the end

498
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: of your seal career or it may not. But he said,

499
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Speaker 2: make no mistake, it's the end of this phase of

500
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: your life. It is now the beginning of either the

501
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: new path you're about to take, which may still be

502
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Speaker 2: a seal and a leader, or it may be in

503
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Speaker 2: a different direction. But he said, no matter what, you

504
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: owe it to yourself to figure out what that new

505
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: path is. And it did. It's the hardest path I've

506
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Speaker 2: ever been on. I was ostracized from quite a few

507
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: of teammates who I thought were friends. I definitely was not.

508
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: I destroyed my credibility and reputation as a Seal from

509
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: making this bad call and other poor leadership decisions, and

510
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: it took years to rebuild myself. That journey, though, is

511
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: the foundation of everything that I teach and share in leadership.

512
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: How I run my life and what I tell people

513
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: is that journey and building myself back up and learning

514
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: to lead myself effectively, learning how to find the balance

515
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: in leading others, and learning how to lead always which

516
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: is very difficult. It's hard to lead always, it's hard

517
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: to have the conviction to make the right decisions all

518
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: the time, even when no one's looking. That's what discipline becomes.

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00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: That teed me up for success. So when September thirteenth

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00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: came and I was all shot up on that battlefield,

521
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: God had prepared me for that moment. And it took

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks of navigating that, but I reached

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Speaker 2: a point in the hospital when I was like, hey man,

524
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Speaker 2: you've done this before. You climbed out the deepest, darkest

525
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: hole you've ever been in several years ago, and the

526
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Speaker 2: formula is the same right now, so let's go. So

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Speaker 2: we'll go back to that moment now that we've come

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Speaker 2: full circle, because it's really important because so many people

529
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Speaker 2: when terrible things happen to them, and it's hard to

530
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Speaker 2: be human. God does things to us, or allows things

531
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Speaker 2: to happen. I guess I should say he doesn't do

532
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Speaker 2: them to us. There's free will which creates these horrific situations,

533
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: and sometimes we can't wrap our head around. Even today,

534
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: I can't wrap my head around some of the things

535
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: we see and witness in this world. But I will

536
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: say this, it is in those moments that your overcome

537
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: mindset and resilience and leadership are truly forged. And you

538
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: talked about what Aristotle said with choice. I believe the

539
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: greatest gift God gave us his choice. When you have

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Speaker 2: these super hard moments in your life, when you don't

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Speaker 2: think you can take another step, you have a choice

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Speaker 2: in how you can deal with it. In this world

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Speaker 2: where we have so many who want to be a victim,

544
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Speaker 2: I tell people you need to have a victor mindset.

545
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: That's the mindset that you choose to get up despite

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Speaker 2: the naysayers, despite the hate, despite the pain, despite the suffering,

547
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Speaker 2: despite the grief. You have to get up and drive board.

548
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: And it is a choice. And the past trauma and

549
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: hardship that you've been through, if you're willing to navigate

550
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: through it, it builds those overcome muscles that you're like,

551
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: this sucks, but I've done it before and now I'm

552
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: going to do it again. So that night I was shot.

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Speaker 2: My team and I walked in into a very well

554
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: executed al kinda ambush. Probably we estimate twelve to fifteen

555
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: enemy shooters and two PKM machine guns and myself and

556
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: multiple teammates were shot up, and I was shot eight

557
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: times between my body and body armor. Two rounds in

558
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: the elbow, which I thought took my arm off, and

559
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 2: rounds off my helmet, rounds off my side plate. I

560
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: turned to try and move back to where our guys were,

561
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: and that's when I caught around in the face. It

562
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: hit me from behind, entered my ear, took off my nose,

563
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: blew out my right cheekbone, vaporized the orbital floor, broke

564
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: all the bones above my broke the head of my jaw,

565
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: shattered my jaw, and knocked me out. And so I

566
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: was pinned down out front, probably about fifteen yards in

567
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: front of the guys who had all gathered around this

568
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: large tractor tire. And DJ was behind one tree off

569
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Speaker 2: to the side and just getting showed up by you

570
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: know ak, you know, a dozen aks and two machine guns.

571
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Speaker 2: And I'm literally this gunfire's traveling directly over me. And

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00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: I owe my life to my teammates, and I owe

573
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: my life to the Air Force AC one thirty gun

574
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: ship that brought in the closest fire mission ever executed

575
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Speaker 2: in the Iraq War. We literally called rounds directly on

576
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Speaker 2: our position. And that's a tribute to my team leader

577
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: with how he coordinated that. It's a tribute to the

578
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Speaker 2: Air Force gunship and how they corenated that. And and

579
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind it's a tribute to

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Speaker 2: God God. We didn't lose anyone, and in the amount

581
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Speaker 2: of blood I lost, doctor said, it's a miracle. I survived.

582
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: Maddy was shot three times and and he survived. Luke

583
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 2: took a machine gun round below the knee and he survived.

584
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: But I, being pinned down and bleeding out in the

585
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Speaker 2: middle of all this chaos, came to this realization that

586
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Speaker 2: I probably wasn't coming home, that I was going to die. There.

587
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Speaker 2: We get a lot of We got a lot of

588
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Speaker 2: medical training as special operations. All of us are trained

589
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Speaker 2: probably the level of a E. M. T. Because you know,

590
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Speaker 2: in a gunfight you have to be able to treat

591
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: yourself and take care of your teammate. Luke was our medic.

592
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: He's shot behind the tire. I'm pinned down out front.

593
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: So I knew enough to recognize all the signs that

594
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 2: I was going into shock, and I was just checking

595
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: them off the list as I continued to lose all

596
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: this blood and I finally reached a point where I

597
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 2: remember trying to move this right hand and which wasn't shot,

598
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: and I was I was having problems like even moving

599
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: my hand, and it was getting harder and harder to breathe.

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00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: And it was in that moment I was like, you're dying.

601
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: And that's a hard moment to approach in your life.

602
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: And I will tell you I wasn't the greatest Christian.

603
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: I grew up with God, I grew up in the church.

604
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: I drifted from God when I was in the military.

605
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: Combat kind of brought me closer to him. I was

606
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: speaking to him a little more.

607
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Speaker 1: You know, fishing death on a regular.

608
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: Facing death on a regular basis. But to be truly

609
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: confronted with it and now to be standing at store

610
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: was both scary and super sad because what it made

611
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: me think about there was the military component, like how

612
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: did I allow myself to get in this situation? How

613
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: do I give the satisfaction to the enemy of killing me?

614
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: But really all that kind of went away, and it

615
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: was just I'm not going to go home to see

616
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: my wife and kids, and I'm not going to finish.

617
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: There were so many things that I that were undone.

618
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: There were regrets for things that I had done that

619
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: I wish I hadn't done. But what I really felt

620
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: more was all the things that I wanted to do

621
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: that I hadn't done, things with my kids, things with

622
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: my wife, my own personal goals, and all of that

623
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: came together and justice overwhelming urge to just God, I

624
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: need you, like I need you, I need your power.

625
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: I felt like it was the only thing I could do.

626
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: Like we're beyond I'm pinned down, gunfire is traveling over me.

627
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: I've you know, leaked most of my blood into the

628
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: Iraqi ground. Like I need your power to help me

629
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: go home and see my wife and kids. And I

630
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: made that prayer and immediately I felt this power. I

631
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: felt this insurgence. Yeah, it was crazy. I can't explain it.

632
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: It just I suddenly had energy. Wow. And I don't

633
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: know the timeframe. We know that gunfight lasted between forty

634
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: and forty five minutes from the time I was shot

635
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: to the time we brought in the Metavac helicopter, and

636
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: probably thirty five minutes of that was this intense gunfight

637
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: where we brought in the fire missions. I drifted in

638
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: and out of consciousness, but I was awake. I know

639
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: when when my team leader Jay said hey, stamp incoming

640
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: and hearing the rounds of the gunship impact the ground

641
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: in front of me. But all I know is from

642
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: the time that I made that prayer, I had this

643
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: energy and this thought in my head, stay awake, to

644
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: stay alive, Stay awake, to stay alive, and that's what

645
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: I focused on. When Jay ran forward to get me

646
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: and got me back to the tire and they got

647
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: a turnique on my arm and they packed my face,

648
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: and by the time we finally brought the metavac in,

649
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: we called in more fire missions and eliminated the enemy.

650
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: He started to drag me and I wasn't really feeling

651
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: any pain also after that prayer, yeah, but immediately I

652
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: felt all the pain. Courts started to drag me and

653
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: I was just like, help me to my feet, and

654
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: he helped me up, and I had taken my helmet off,

655
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: which had taken a round through it. Crazy, I'll show

656
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: you my helmets in my office, and I thought my

657
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: army been shot off because I had no feeling. It's

658
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: dark at four am in the morning. So I remember

659
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Jay helped me up and I said, grab my helmet,

660
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: grab my arm, I'm going to the helicopter. And I

661
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: remember walking to the helicopter and there's light coming off

662
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: the heelo from the interior lights. It's like blue lights

663
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: inside the helicopter in it and the rotor blades create

664
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: static electricity. You see like sparks coming up the rotor blades.

665
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: And I remember this like it was yesterday in my

666
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: mind as I walked up to the helicopter and I

667
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: had to lean forward and blood just pouring out of

668
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: my face, but I had the energy. I was able

669
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: to walk, and I climbed onto the helicopter under my

670
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: own power. And it was a TF one sixty Special

671
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: Operations Aviation helicopter with the flight medical on board and

672
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: they loaded me and my other two teammates, Luke and

673
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: Maddie DJ climbed in with us, and man, they flew

674
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: the rotor off to get us to Bagdad. So so

675
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: many amazing God moments happened that night. But yeah, man,

676
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: I should not be here. Doctor said I needed eight

677
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: blood transfusions over the ninety six hours from the time

678
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: I was met of back to the time I finally

679
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: got to back to the States and every doctor said, man,

680
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: it's a miracle you're still alive.

681
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Well, praise the Lord. Man that God his fingerprints were

682
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: all over your story. When I hear stories like that,

683
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: it's hard not to have more of a realization of

684
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: who our God is, like his presence in those moments,

685
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: that he heard your prayers, that he answered your prayers,

686
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: and might not always look in the way that we

687
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: wanted to, but He is always present, a present help

688
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: in the time of trouble. I'm just thinking, you know,

689
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: a lot of times I've learned in my life, Jason,

690
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: I've learned more through seasons of pain than I could

691
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: have ever learned in seasons of prosperity. And my dad

692
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: taught me from the time I was a young kid

693
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: that it's our moments of powerlessness, moments like maybe what

694
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: you were feeling or experiencing in that moment, moments of

695
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: powerlessness that joss closer to and reveal the character of

696
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: God's heart the most. I'm interested from a man that

697
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: maybe wasn't walking incredibly close with the Lord up to

698
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: that point, but in those moments and from those moments,

699
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: what do you feel like God has revealed to you

700
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: about himself Over the last even several years since then.

701
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: He's a He's a mysterious God and an amazing God

702
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: that I it took me down this path, and it's

703
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: a path that I hope many others will listen out here,

704
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: because sometimes in churches, what I'm about to say make

705
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: people like ah. I grew up with blind faith. I

706
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: grew up in a in a in a household where

707
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: we were in church anytime the doors were open. You know,

708
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: we read the Bible, but I never had a real understanding.

709
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: And and I'm a very analytical person. I like science,

710
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: and I like and I like math, and that's not faith.

711
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: And the deeper I dug, the more I felt like

712
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: the answers I didn't have. And that was really hard

713
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: because here I was this guy that had this miracle

714
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: moment and I wanted like further cement behind it to

715
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: reinforce it. And I was struggling with that. I was

716
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: struggling the deeper I dug, And some of the stories

717
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: that I was getting into in the Bible were hard

718
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: for me. But I studied apologetics. I got into all

719
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: of the least Strobels books, which I'll be honest, my

720
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: favorite was Case for a creator, because this really spoke

721
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: to me and really brought me back to this, like God,

722
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: you are there, because there's no way that he could

723
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: create something as amazing as we are, and the life

724
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: that we have and the systems, and how infinitely unique

725
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: the fact that life exists on our plane and in

726
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: the universe. All these things, you know, really reinforced. And

727
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: then reading more of the Bible and especially in the

728
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: New Testament about Jesus and him dying on the cross,

729
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: and really it was the disciples around him who were

730
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 2: no different from us man, but they were just called

731
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: to lead and believe. And I really started to question

732
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: myself as a Christian because I was like, man, I'm

733
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: a terrible person. Like God gave me this miracle. Everybody

734
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: wants a miracle, and God gave me one, and now

735
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: like I should be like the most convicted person on

736
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: the planet. So I felt bad. I felt like, you're

737
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: a horrible person, like I went through this journey. But

738
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: looking at the disciples, I was like, man, these guys

739
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: walked with Jesus, and when Jesus was crucified, many of

740
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: them didn't believe. I mean, Peter was told, Hey, you're

741
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: gonna deny me three times before the you know, the

742
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: raven crows, and Peter was like, no, I would never

743
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: do that, Lord, and he did it. You know, Matthew,

744
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: you know, seeing Jesus for the first time after the

745
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: Resurrection and was like, ah, I don't believe it's you.

746
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: You got to show me your hands, let me see

747
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: your side. So it brought me back to say, you

748
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: know what, man, it's okay if you have doubts. That's

749
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: part of being a Christian and faith is just a

750
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: believe in a drive to keep driving forward. And I

751
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: think that's really life and being a leader is about that.

752
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: You're not always gonna have the answers. Sometimes you're gonna

753
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: have doubts. Sometimes you're gonna be like, I'm not sure

754
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: if I'm on the right path, but we keep driving forward.

755
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: And the Disciples are such a shining example of that,

756
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: to walk with Jesus who literally was like, hey, miracle

757
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: for you, and miracle for you, and then to bring

758
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: it all full circle. So that's where I am. I

759
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: am so thankful for the life He's given me. I'm

760
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: so thankful for the second chance he's given me, the opportunity.

761
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: There is no doubt in my mind, he continues to

762
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: bless me, and now I'm just trying to make the

763
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: most of the gift He's given me.

764
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: Amen to that, you know, I'm with you. And I

765
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: second the idea that God prefers honest doubt rather than

766
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: hollow devotion. It's the idea, though, of goes back to

767
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: the power of choice. What do we do with that doubt?

768
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Does our doubt deter us? Does it destroy us? Does

769
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: it define us? Or does it drive us closer to

770
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: him and potentially the pursuit and the plans that He

771
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: has for our lives. I'm grateful to hear the ways

772
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: in which God's continuing to drive you closer to his

773
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: heart every day as he uses you as a vessel

774
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: and a conduit through which he channels his message of

775
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: hope and encouragement and resilience. And this overcomer mindset into

776
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: a generation that so desperately needs. And I want to

777
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: pick back up in your story now, so obviously you

778
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: go in and I'm just interested. After the ambush, after

779
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: everything happened, the road to recovery is not a simple one,

780
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 1: and I can only imagine what you were going through,

781
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: like being taken away f in the battlefield, something that

782
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: you loved doing, you loved serving the people that you love,

783
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: the country that you love. But then you're removed from

784
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: that and here you are on this entirely different battle

785
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: and journey of its own. What was that recovery journey

786
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: like for you, Jason?

787
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: So obviously, I mean it's really hard to be battlefield

788
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: injuries are really dirty, yeah, and many of us on

789
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: foreign soil, there is different types of bacteria. A lot

790
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: of the wounded warriors who came home, including myself, would

791
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: have really bad infections, and so frequently you would come

792
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: home and even though you were stabilized, many individuals would

793
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: come home with their limbs, but later they'd have to

794
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: be amputated because of the infection issues. And those were

795
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: things that I fought so frequently. It would be, you know,

796
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: one step forward and two or three steps back as

797
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: you went through this journey. The one thing that made

798
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 2: a difference for me, like I said, is I hit

799
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: this point a couple of weeks after I was wounded,

800
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: where I was just like number one, I could not

801
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: go back and change what happened. I think so many

802
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: people focus on the attack point of the life, ambush,

803
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: that traumatic event whatever it is, whether it's and make

804
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: no mistake, you don't you know, once again, a life

805
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: ambush to a life ambush. So trauma is trauma, whether

806
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: it comes from a battlefield or whether it's physical, mental, emotional,

807
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: so sexual, whatever it is, it's trauma. And so many

808
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: people go back to the point of the trauma and

809
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: they dwell on it and they want to change it,

810
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: or they wish they could undo it, and they they

811
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: ruminate NonStop about it. But what I quickly realized after

812
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks was what happened happened. You can

813
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: undo it. You're never going back. You can't go back.

814
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: And you know, I remember laying in the hospital thinking, man,

815
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: what if I had moved left, or what if I

816
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: had moved right, or what if I had wreckoned guys

817
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: this and we had stopped prior and done something different.

818
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: And I was kicking myself, like why didn't I see that?

819
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: And I was like, and I think this probably was God.

820
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: There's so many God moments along my journey, and I

821
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 2: think God spoke to me and just said, you did

822
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: everything according to the tactics and training that you guys

823
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: were given. You can't change it all. You can do

824
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: is drive forward. And that was really a kind of

825
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: a launch point for me to be like, Okay, like, hey,

826
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: go back to all the lessons you learned rebuilding yourself

827
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: as a leader. This is no different all the lessons

828
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: I've learned going through Seal training where we're taught you

829
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: take it one evolution out of time. You don't look

830
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: at you know, I was facing years of surgery. They

831
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: were very transparent with the uphill battle I was facing,

832
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: and instead of looking at oh my gosh, I've got

833
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: years to go through, I just said, Okay, you've done

834
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: this before. This is medical buds. We're going to be positive.

835
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: We're going to lift others up. You need to set

836
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: the example for your family and other wounded warriors and

837
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: take a one surgery at a time and yes, driving forward.

838
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: So that's how I approached it. I did want to

839
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: get back operational. That was my original goal. Unfortunately I

840
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: had to come to grips with several years down the

841
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: road that that was never going to happen. But thankfully

842
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: the Seal teams took care of me and allowed me

843
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: to finish my career on my terms. Some of our

844
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: wounded warriors and some individuals when they have life ambushes.

845
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: It's such an abrupt ending when it happens, and that's hard.

846
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: And for me, thankfully, it was kind of a gradual

847
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: glide slope down, Like, hey, I was still able to contribute.

848
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 2: I was still able to serve in the seal teams.

849
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: Not operational, but I was able to or not on

850
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: the battlefield, but I was able to contribute operations, special projects,

851
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: taking care of our wounded warriors and families of the fallen.

852
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: Before I had to reach the point where like, hey,

853
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: this phase of my life is over, another DN moment,

854
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: and now it's time for a new beginning.

855
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: No, it's interesting about your story, Jason Is. I watch

856
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of your videos and your teachings, and just

857
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: the inspiration that you share with the world is We

858
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: were even talking about this on our drive up today.

859
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of victims become villains, because every

860
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: villain was once a victim of something. Bitterness, anger, resentment, betrayal, rage,

861
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But what we bury has a tendency

862
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: to bury us. And a lot of times these victims

863
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: write what they don't work out, and they begin to

864
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: use this pain and they begin to in a sense

865
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: just spread it onto other people, spread it into the world.

866
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: Rather than learning how to convert this pain into fuel

867
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: into something meaningful for you, you were able to go

868
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: back to the lessons to dive deep into the well

869
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: that you had built up. Like you said, the practice

870
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: of remembrance. I've done this before, so I can do

871
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: this again. It's that idea of doctor Andrew Huberman once

872
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: said that we should do self elected hard things so

873
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: when the unselected heart come up in our lives, we

874
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: can look at them and think, how in the world

875
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: am I going to get through this? I don't know,

876
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 1: but one thing I do know is I can do

877
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: hard things because I've chosen to do it every day

878
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: leading up to this point. That takes us into the

879
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: sign read round the World man. And I've read this

880
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: sign a million times. I was sharing it with Caleb

881
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: on the way up. I would love for you, Jason,

882
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: if you would just kind of read the sign for

883
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: us and take us into what was going through you

884
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: that day, maybe the frustration of just pity that people

885
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: had for you, and sorrow and sympathy and at the

886
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: end of the day it's important and people were probably

887
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: doing their best to try to express their condolences and

888
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: they felt bad. But for you, it goes back to

889
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: the power of choice. Man. I want people to bring

890
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: joy in fun because I'm going to make a full recovery.

891
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: And you were. You were the definition of a never

892
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: quit mindset. Take us into this moment if you would.

893
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And going back to the victim mindset.

894
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting. You know I created a shirt

895
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: called Victor or not victim. A victim mindset seeks blame

896
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: and pity. A victor mindset seeks ownership and purpose. That's

897
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: the difference. And if you're man, if you're willing to

898
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: navigate that journey, it's amazing how you will come out

899
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: the other side, and every life ambush you've been through

900
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: will build upon others to make you stronger and better

901
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: and build that victor mindset. So you know, lying in

902
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: that hospital bed, like I said, it was a couple

903
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: of weeks. I don't know. My wife and I we

904
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: figure is around ten days. Seven to ten days is

905
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: when I wrote the sign on the door. We don't

906
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: have the date. What's fascinating is the only way I

907
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: could communicate was writing. I couldn't talk. I'm wired shutting

908
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm traped. So we literally had I was writing on

909
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: computer printer paper, wow, and we have I literally have

910
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: about five hundred pages at the house. But I wish

911
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: I'd been more organized and I had dated it and

912
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: wrote conversation with these people because it's just this interesting

913
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: one way stream of consciousness because you don't know who

914
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking to. I mean, sometimes you could figure it out.

915
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: Sometimes just have no clue. But what happened was there

916
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: were some people that had come into the room right

917
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: around the time that I had talked about I had

918
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 2: reached that point where I was like, hey, I can't

919
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: change the past. All I can do is drive forward.

920
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: And these people came into the room and they were

921
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,479
Speaker 2: talking about what a shame, what a pity these young

922
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: men and women that go to war and battlefield injuries

923
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: are very traumatic. Bullets and bombs do pretty devastating things,

924
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: burns and amputations and grewsome traumatic injuries. And this was

925
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: at the height of the war, and the hospital was

926
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: filled with us. I mean, I don't know how many,

927
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: probably at least fifty wounded warriors around me in that hospital,

928
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: and I think it's a very overwhelming place to be.

929
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: I would later go back to the hospital for years

930
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: to meet with other wounded warriors, and even for me,

931
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: it was tough. It's tough to see because it's I

932
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: don't know, seeing anybody in that state is tough to see.

933
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: So they were feeling sorry for themselves and they were

934
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: projecting that on me also. And I remember when they

935
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: left my wife. It was kind of one of the

936
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: first times my wife had left. She had gone down

937
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: to do something and I was in the room by myself,

938
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: and when she came back, I'd had some time to

939
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 2: think about it, and I wrote to her and I said,

940
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: you know what, I said, that's never going to happen again.

941
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: I'm never going to allow anybody to come into this

942
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: room and feel sorry for me again. From this point forward,

943
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: I refused to feel sorry for myself. I'm like drawing

944
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 2: a line in the sand. And I said, nobody's allowed

945
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: to come in this room again like that. And I

946
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: think that's important in this life. You know, you have

947
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: to plant your flag. Yes, what you allow in will

948
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: corrupt your mind. And if I had allowed this victim

949
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: mindset to pervade my mind, it would have been hard

950
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: to drive forward. So I was like victor, I'm going

951
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: to overcome. And I said, I'm I wrote out this

952
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: sign and it's at attention to all who enter here.

953
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: If you're coming in this room with sadness or sorrow,

954
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: go elsewhere. The wounds I received, I got a job

955
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: that I loved, doing it for people that I love,

956
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: defending the freedom of a country I deeply love. I

957
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: will make a full recovery. What is full. That's the

958
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: absolute utmost physically I have the ability to recover. Then

959
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to push that about twenty percent further through

960
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: sheer mental tenacity. This room you're about to enter is

961
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: room a fun, optimism and intense rapid regrowth. If you're

962
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: not prepared for that, go elsewhere. And we signed it

963
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: the management, which you know, a little tongue in but

964
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: I told my wife, I said, hey, put this on

965
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: the door, and no one's allowed in until they read it.

966
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: And the original sign was actually written on a piece

967
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: of regular printer paper. It was white, and a lot

968
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: of people are like, man, how long did it take

969
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: you to write that? It was immediate. It was literally

970
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: a stream of consciousness. I put no real thought into

971
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: it aside from this is what I feel right now

972
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: in this moment. And several days later, someone else came

973
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: in and they didn't read the sign, and they were

974
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: pretty broken up, and I was like, we need a

975
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: bigger sign. And my wife went down to the exchange

976
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hospital and found this bright

977
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: orange piece of paper eighteen by twenty four and we

978
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 2: transcribed it word for word onto that and put it

979
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: on the door. And a couple of days later, a

980
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: seal teammate took his trident off his uniform and he

981
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: tacked it into the bottom of the door, which was

982
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: a really big moment for me. I don't know if people,

983
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: if you go back to my story about failing as

984
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: a leader and almost being kicked out of the seal teams,

985
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: to have a teammate take his tried and off and

986
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: put it on the door, for me was it was

987
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 2: such a redemption moment. There was another redemption that happened

988
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: on our deployment and a fierce gun fight that we

989
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: got into with women and children and all these other things,

990
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: but this was such a big moment. And when I

991
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: see the sign on the door, I think about this

992
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: crazy journey that God took me on to bring it

993
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 2: back to this and now what that sign has done.

994
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's I really wrote it for me, to

995
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: be perfectly honest, and there was no thought of you know,

996
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 2: there was no thought of, hey, someday this could be famous,

997
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: or some day that's going to do something. There was

998
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: no thought of that. It was just this is my

999
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: this is my mission. And it took on a life

1000
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: of its own. You know, it was written about and

1001
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: it was blowing, which got picked up by the national media.

1002
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: It's now gone everywhere everywhere. Yeah, It's featured in documentaries,

1003
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: it's been written about in books. Secretary Robert Gates wrote

1004
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: about it in his book First Lady. Michelle Obama wrote

1005
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: about it twice in her book and sent me a

1006
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: handwritten note on how much it moved her. You know.

1007
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: So what I tell people though, that this sign, more

1008
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: than anything, it represents choice. We go back to what

1009
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: we talk about and I tell people that leadership and

1010
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: the overcome mindset is a choice. That's it, That's all

1011
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: it is. And you can choose to feel sorry for yourself,

1012
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: you can choose to accept that you're stuck on the X,

1013
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: which is the point of the ambush, the point of

1014
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: trauma that I frequently talk about or you can choose

1015
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: to get up. And it's not pretty, it's painful, it hurts,

1016
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: but it is a choice. It's a choice to be

1017
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: a victim, and it's a choice to be a victor.

1018
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: And that's what this sign represents.

1019
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: Amen, brother, I tell you what. It's a sign that

1020
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: I have read many times in my life, in my journey.

1021
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: So I'm grateful for that moment of consciousness where you

1022
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: just you scribbled these words out for yourself, having no

1023
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: idea the impact. Only Heaven will tell the impact a

1024
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: sign like this may have on lives, and it's been

1025
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: transformative and helping people make the choice to choose the

1026
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: mindset of a victor rather than that of a victim

1027
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: every single day of their lives. I'm just thinking you

1028
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: talked earlier as I introduced to you, that you weren't

1029
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: an expert on leadership. You're still a student and I

1030
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: love that mindset right that everybody is continuing to grow,

1031
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: to adapt, to develop resilience is really positive adaptation in

1032
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: the presence of adversity. I'm just interested from your standpoint,

1033
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: from your perspectives, that you go on a couple of

1034
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: years after this and the recovery journey. Just what are

1035
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: some of the characteristics Jason, that you've recognized that really

1036
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: mark true leadership.

1037
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: I talk about the three rules of leadership. I also

1038
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: turned to teach something called learn to Lead Men. And

1039
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: these are all the characteristics that I feel are some

1040
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: of the best leaders. And not pointing out myself, these

1041
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: are things that I put in place to try and

1042
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: run my life, and I fall short a lot. But

1043
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: I think that's also the mark of a good leader,

1044
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: that you take ownership and you get up and drive forward.

1045
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: It's not about perfection. There's only one perfect person that

1046
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: ever walked this earth. My three rules of leadership are

1047
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: number one, lead yourself. Great leaders lead themselves first and foremost.

1048
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: And I think there's a break. Bad leaders are focused

1049
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: on leading others, and that leads to micromanagement, that leads

1050
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: to manipulation, that leads to control. And oftentimes a title

1051
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: or a position carries more weight that they think actually

1052
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: means something, and it doesn't. I learned that, you know,

1053
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,479
Speaker 2: the title ensign, the title seal officer didn't mean shit.

1054
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: I was a bad leader and I had to come

1055
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: back to the roots of leading myself, which and this

1056
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to encourage anyone out there, but really,

1057
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: young men, I feel like men are lost in this country.

1058
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: They and first and foremost, they need how to lead themselves.

1059
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: And that's built on several things. Number one, it's built

1060
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: on goal setting. And even if you don't know the

1061
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: long term goal of where you want to go, that's okay.

1062
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: Figure out how to lead yourself physically, personally, and professionally.

1063
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: And maybe professionally is just going to school, maybe it's

1064
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: a trade, but no matter what, it's moving down a

1065
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: path where you're bettering yourself and every day you should

1066
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: be working on it. It doesn't mean you can't ever relax.

1067
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: Everybody needs to relax. God wanted us to relax. But

1068
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: you need to set goals and go after those goals.

1069
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: That's part of leading yourself. You need to have discipline

1070
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: to stay the course with those goals. You need to

1071
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: do research and figure out am I on the right path?

1072
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: How do I get that is better? Maybe there's another

1073
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: path I should be going on. Your faith journey is

1074
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: all part of that. That's all leading yourself. That gets

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: deep into something I talk about in book Overcome with

1076
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: the Pentagon and peak performance, which is physical leadership, mental leadership,

1077
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Speaker 2: educating yourself, challenging your beliefs, emotional leadership, how do we

1078
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: manage our emotions. I'm a big fan of stoicism. You know,

1079
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: we shouldn't be too high and too low. Social leadership,

1080
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: how do we build the relationships the people around us?

1081
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: And then spiritual leadership at the highest level, so that

1082
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 2: self leadership leading others. And the greatest leaders I've ever

1083
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: seen were tremendous leaders of themselves. Leading others is it's

1084
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: less about telling them what to do, and it's more

1085
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: about motivating and inspiring them and helping them find their purpose.

1086
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: And if that purpose is aligned with something you're doing,

1087
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: and you're giving them that guidance that helps them but

1088
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: also helping grow that that's really powerful in leading others. Yes,

1089
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: and I often ask people do people follow you because

1090
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: they want to or because they have to? That's a

1091
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: defining question you should ask because if you've got people

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01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: that follow you because they want to, man, that's a

1093
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 2: powerful team you're building. If they're following because they have to,

1094
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: at some point, that's going to fail. And then the

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: last one is leading always and that's just making the

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01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: choice to lead. It's in the hardest times, when the

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01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: world is burning down around you. That's when you're required

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Speaker 2: to lead the most, and most people break in those moments,

1099
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Speaker 2: you know. So don't get me wrong. We're all sinners.

1100
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: We're all going to make mistakes. But correct yourself, get

1101
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 2: back on course, own it, and then get back to

1102
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: trying to lead always. I think that's what we want

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01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: to do. I expanded that in to Learn to Lead.

1104
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: So the L stands for the three rules of leadership

1105
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: what I just went forward. The East stands for engaged

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01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: teams through trust. The best leaders that I saw have

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01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: the ability to build up their people they work with

1108
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: and then trust them to go out and lead. It's

1109
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: one of the things that I saw on the Seal teams.

1110
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: Great leaders are not micromanagers. Great leaders give their people

1111
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: the skills and the training and the resources as much

1112
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: as they can, and then they trust them to go

1113
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: out and lead. They give them the right and left limits.

1114
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: They also hold them accountable, which is an important part

1115
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: of leadership. They don't micro manage. I try to explain

1116
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: to people if you micromanage, and I did it. I

1117
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: made the mistakes of doing this and thankfully had some

1118
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: good leaders had stepped in and said, hey, Jay, what

1119
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: you're telling the guys you don't trust them, you know,

1120
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: and you'll never build a great team if it's not

1121
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: built on trust. If they don't trust you have their best.

1122
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: You know that the organization and where you're going that

1123
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: that's the goal of the mission. But you're also taking

1124
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: care of them, and you should be last on that equation.

1125
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, we have to take care of ourselves.

1126
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: But this formula you build a trust with that A

1127
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: is active communication. A lot of leaders and this is

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01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: the hardest one to build a lot of leaders are

1129
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: really good at telling people what to do. They're not

1130
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 2: good at listening. Active communicators will receive feedback and they

1131
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 2: will heed that feedback and then decide. It doesn't mean

1132
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: they're always going to go with it, but they're willing

1133
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: to listen and receive that feedback. They're willing to hear

1134
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: that criticism and accept it and say, you know what,

1135
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: you're right, this isn't the best call. We were on

1136
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 2: a mission the night of June twenty first, this big

1137
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: gun fight. We had women and children, We had a

1138
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: machine gunner on the roof. It was it was a

1139
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: bad situation, and this machine gunner was shooting at our

1140
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: other team on another target, and they were like, you

1141
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: got to take out that machine gun. And I remember

1142
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 2: telling our team, you guys got to go. Our guys

1143
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: had already been up once DJ got shot in the

1144
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: chest by one of the guys on the roof before

1145
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: they had got that machine gun up and running. We

1146
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: surprised them and I like, we got to go up

1147
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: and take that roof. And my team leader, a great

1148
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: guy by the name of Mark Wise, who's no longer here.

1149
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 2: He ended up dying several years later. But Mark looked

1150
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: at me and was like, red, that's a suicide mission.

1151
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 2: And if I had been a bad leader, I would

1152
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: have said, hey, man, I'm the leader, you're going to

1153
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: do it. But he was right. I kind of took

1154
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 2: a step back, and I was like, you're right, there's

1155
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: got to be a better way to do this. So

1156
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: active communication is that give and take as a leader,

1157
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: and I think that's critical. Good leaders are great active communicators,

1158
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: and it's the hardest thing to build because if you

1159
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 2: shut people down when they come to you and say, hey,

1160
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 2: here's a problem, or hey we need to do this,

1161
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 2: or hey, boss, I don't agree with your decision, and

1162
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't care. I'm the leader. You're going

1163
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,479
Speaker 2: to listen to me. You're going to shut them down,

1164
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: and they won't come to you in the future. So

1165
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: if you're building an organization of yes men, you do

1166
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: not have a culture of active communication. Number four of

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: the R stands for respect. It's respect for the position

1168
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: you hold as a leader. And there is a responsibility

1169
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: as a leader to take care of your people, to

1170
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: do well, to place the organization and the mission at

1171
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: the highest level and you at the lower end of

1172
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: the equation. And I missed that as a young leader. Man,

1173
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: it was about me, and I didn't fully appreciate. Man,

1174
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: the two hundred and fifty years of naval leadership that

1175
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: went before me, and the fact that yeah rank, title,

1176
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: the Golden Frida and I wore on my chest. None

1177
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: of that made me a leader. What made me a

1178
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 2: leader was my actions. And I needed to respect that

1179
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: and respect that, Hey, you're a leader. You need to

1180
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 2: make decisions that potentially are impacting people in their lives,

1181
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: but also understand you lead people. You have to respect

1182
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: the fact that we lead people and people struggle, people

1183
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,479
Speaker 2: make mistakes, I'm still here because I had a great

1184
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: leader who believed in me and allowed me that second

1185
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: chance grow up as a leader when many guys at

1186
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: our seal team were like, no, kick that guy out

1187
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: and then the last one. There's no shortcuts to being

1188
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 2: a good leader. Man. You got to do the work.

1189
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: You got to choose the hard path. You got to

1190
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 2: volunteer for the things that you might not want to do.

1191
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: You got to do the things that need to be

1192
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: done when you don't feel like doing them. And where

1193
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: you learn to do that is the simple things like

1194
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: go to the gym, do the things you need to do,

1195
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 2: do those hard things. By not taking those shortcuts, that's

1196
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: what builds the leadership and overcome mindset. So those are

1197
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 2: my marks of good leadership.

1198
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Speaker 1: Powerful.

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Speaker 2: They're simple, but they're hard. But if you if you

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01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: can incorporate them into your life and into your team,

1201
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: and that's my goal. I am far from perfect. I

1202
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 2: sometimes fail at these things, but I am quick to say, hey,

1203
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 2: you know what, that's not the leader I want to be.

1204
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 2: Let me get myself back on course. If I ever

1205
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 2: get off course, I look in the mirror and I go, hey, man,

1206
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: you're not leading. You yourself.

1207
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: Well come mom, Yeah, lead yourself, lead others lead. Always

1208
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: learn to lead. That's a powerful thing. I'm going to

1209
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: go back there and probably re listen to that a

1210
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: couple of different times, take some notes, because just a

1211
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: powerful acronym to really recognize. Like you said, it's not easy,

1212
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: but man, it's always possible. We can always be intentional

1213
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: with it. And when we do that, it's going to

1214
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: not only bring us up in our leadership capability, but

1215
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: it's going to bring everybody else with us. All boats

1216
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: rise when we choose to lead. I kind of want

1217
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: to wrap up our conversation this way, Jason, because I

1218
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: know you've written The Tried, and I know you've written

1219
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: about Overcome. We've kind of touched on both of those,

1220
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: but I want to kind of close our conversation with

1221
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: your most recent book, Mission Invincible Marriage and really just

1222
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: recognizing all of these battle tested principles that have now

1223
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,879
Speaker 1: impacted your faith, that have now impacted your family, your marriage,

1224
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: and more. I just want you to wrap up our

1225
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: time together today with just a final word of hope, encouragement,

1226
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: motivation to the person today about some of the things

1227
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: that you've learned from combat, some of the things we've

1228
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: talked about with leadership and resilience, and how those things

1229
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: have now been taken into your now personal life, your marriage,

1230
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: your family, and the things that matter most.

1231
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it really is Mission Invincibal. Marriage is really

1232
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: a blending of all the lessons that I learned. And

1233
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: whether we realize it or not, there were things that

1234
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: my wife and I were building and incorporating into our

1235
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: own marriage. And my wife and I we've been together

1236
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: for twenty seven years married, you know, you know, by

1237
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: the time this will air, will have celebrated our twenty

1238
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 2: five year wedding gratulations. Thank you. And my wife is amazing.

1239
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: She is a spartan wife, She is a leader. It

1240
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 2: is an amazing thing. That's weird, dynamic. You know, this

1241
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: feminist movement. God intended us to have strong women. There's

1242
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: so many strong women in the Bible who are leaders.

1243
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: And it does don't mean men shouldn't be threatened by

1244
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 2: a strong woman. You're a team, and at times my

1245
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: wife is behind me and encouraging me. At times my

1246
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: wife and I are side by side fighting the fight.

1247
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: And there have been times my wife's in front of

1248
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: me protecting me because I needed it. Or I was

1249
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: in a moment of weakness and that has made us

1250
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 2: incredibly strong. Divorce is at a record rate. We're over

1251
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: fifty percent in this country. This book is really this

1252
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 2: book is for anyone, but it's really written for the

1253
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: protector community. If you are law enforcement, fire or military,

1254
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: this book is for you because there is our community

1255
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: as a significantly high divorce rate. And go figure, we're

1256
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of trauma. We're dealing with much

1257
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: more stress than the average person. And we're protectors, we're

1258
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 2: mission driven. And what frequently happens is we get to

1259
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 2: this point. I've seen it so much I write about

1260
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 2: it in the book. Protectors reach this point where they

1261
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 2: think it's an either or thing. The spouse is struggling

1262
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 2: because the man, usually the man is not doing a

1263
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: good job of leading his family and the balance of

1264
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: being a protector. And we tend to lean too far

1265
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 2: on the side of protector and say, well, it looks

1266
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: like it's in either or, and the spouse sees this

1267
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: and says, I can't continue to do this. It's either

1268
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: mirror the job. And seventy percent of the time the

1269
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: guy goes, the protector goes. It's the job. It doesn't

1270
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: have to be that way. You know, they're just things

1271
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: that you have to do. And in the book, it's

1272
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: broken into three parts. It's about the foundation is mission.

1273
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: Your mission is that marriage. Your mission is your family.

1274
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 2: You made a vow to that spouse and my wife

1275
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 2: and I we were like forever. The only way out

1276
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: of this is death. From there, it becomes training. And

1277
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: what is training. That's spending time with your spouse. That's

1278
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 2: understanding that as the years go by, you are not

1279
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: the same person. Your goals, your dreams, what's happening in

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Speaker 2: your life is going to change, and it's critical that

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Speaker 2: you're continuing to communicate and plan. That's training. You're training

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Speaker 2: on how you're working together to further the mission. And

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Speaker 2: then the last one, the last section is under fire man.

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Speaker 2: Marriage is hard. You're going to have fights, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: have issues. You're going to go through life ambushes. Your

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Speaker 2: spouse will go through a life ambushing. You're trying to

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Speaker 2: help them through it. You may go through one together

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Speaker 2: no matter what, How do you deal with those things?

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Speaker 2: And we give tools I call them rules of engagement.

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Speaker 2: How do you fight? How do you deal with these things?

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Speaker 2: Most people have never created frameworks. Combat and training is

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Speaker 2: built around this, yes, and I believe in it. I

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Speaker 2: live my life on frameworks, you know, leadership frameworks and

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01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: my overcome mindset and getting off the X and all

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: these different things. And you need that same thing in

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Speaker 2: your marriage. So I'll close with this. Leading yourself is

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Speaker 2: probably the single most critical thing you can do as

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Speaker 2: an individual. So often in this life we've made mistakes,

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Speaker 2: we've gotten off course, our life didn't unfold in the

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Speaker 2: manner that we thought it was going to. And I

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Speaker 2: meet and I'm guilty of this, guys, I'm living proof.

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Speaker 2: When I failed as a leader, I told myself it

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Speaker 2: was too late, and thankfully God gave me these opportunities

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Speaker 2: to rebuild myself. So don't ever think it's too late.

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Speaker 2: It's never too late to get back on track. It's

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Speaker 2: never too late to establish a new goal. It's never

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Speaker 2: too late to say I'm sorry and fix a relationship

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Speaker 2: and bring your family back together. Don't get me wrong,

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 2: sometimes some ships have sailed. That is the reality. But

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Speaker 2: to lead yourself and find success. I often joke about

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Speaker 2: the fact, if you're not dead, it's not too late.

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Speaker 2: So if you woke up this morning. That's a gift.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do with it? So that

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Speaker 2: is the final thing, that the final frame work. I

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Speaker 2: lived my life on I call it living greatly. I

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01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: meet so many people in this world who long ago

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Speaker 2: gave up on their their their goals and dreams and

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Speaker 2: and and and leading yourself. I'm gonna I'm gonna approach

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Speaker 2: it from a biblical standpoint because I always find it

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Speaker 2: kind of fascinating. I spoke at Life Surge the second

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Speaker 2: time I've had the honor to speak with them, with

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Speaker 2: Tim Tebow and John Maxwell and Sage Steele, and they're amazing,

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Speaker 2: amazing people. I was so humbled to be up there

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Speaker 2: with them. And I told a joke at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: and I think many of you have heard this joke

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Speaker 2: about the businessman that falls off a cliff and he's

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Speaker 2: hanging onto a vine and he's like, Lord, help me,

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Speaker 2: help me, and like he sends a repeller and and

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Speaker 2: the guy's like, no, I'm good. I asked God to

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Speaker 2: save you, and God's gonna save me. And a helicopter

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01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 2: comes and the guy's like, no, I don't need a helicopter.

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Speaker 2: God's going to save me. And you know, I jokingly say,

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Speaker 2: and this billy go and the billygoats like speaking to

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Speaker 2: the guy, Hey, buddy, grab won't jump on my back.

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Speaker 2: And the guy's like, uh no, I'm waiting for God

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Speaker 2: to save me. And then he falls to his death

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Speaker 2: and in heaven he's like, Lord, why didn't you save me?

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Speaker 2: I called out to you, And God says, well, I

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Speaker 2: sent you a repeller, I sent your a helicopter, even

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Speaker 2: sent you a talking billy goat man, Like you know,

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01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: you have to take some action, and I think that

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Speaker 2: is critical. God gives us these amazing paths and opportunities,

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: and some aren't the path we want to take, but

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 2: we don't know any better like he, you know, omnipotent,

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01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: you know, omnipresident, omniscient, He knows it all. So leading

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Speaker 2: ourselves forward even when we don't want to, is the

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Speaker 2: most critical thing you can do. And it's never too

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Speaker 2: late to start that and then living the fullest. I

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01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: truly believe that there is an elite version when God

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01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 2: made us. I think there's an elite version of us,

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Speaker 2: like physically, personally, and professionally. I think God had an

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01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 2: elite version of you in his mind when he made us,

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Speaker 2: and I think most of us never even come close

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 2: because most people settle long ago. They accept Oh I'm broken,

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Speaker 2: So I'm no longer going to take care of my body.

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01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm just going to pour junk into it or you know,

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01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 2: alcohol or whatever it is. These relationships failed, so I'm

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01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 2: not going to put any more work into him. I didn't,

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Speaker 2: you know, I didn't make it on this professional goal

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Speaker 2: I wanted. So I'm just going to settle in this

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01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 2: the life I'm going to live. And it's like they're alive,

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Speaker 2: but they're not really living, you know. They just settled.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I feel like God wants us while

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Speaker 2: we're on this earth to obviously give glory to him

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01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 2: for all the gifts he gives us, but I think

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Speaker 2: he wants to reward us if you're just going after

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Speaker 2: it man. And I think even more so because in

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Speaker 2: the protector community, and I'm proof of this, I've lost

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01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 2: too many friends and I got to come home, and

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Speaker 2: so many seals that I know who are not here

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Speaker 2: were far better seals than I was. So I don't

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: know what God allowed me to come home and they

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01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: didn't get to come home. But I will tell you this,

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Speaker 2: I am going to live greatly. I'm going to do

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Speaker 2: everything in my power to be the best version of myself,

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Speaker 2: to be the elite version of myself, to pay it forward,

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Speaker 2: to be positive, to make this impact the most of

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01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 2: this gift he gave me, because I hope that my

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Speaker 2: teammates that are looking down on me will go. You

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Speaker 2: know what, I'm bummed that I didn't get to come

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Speaker 2: back and I'm seeing my family grow without me, and

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01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 2: Jason Revman got to come back. But you know what, man,

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01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: he's killing it and he's a shining light and making

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01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: a difference. And I hope that's my goal. That's living greatly.

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Speaker 2: So I try and tell people that's the balance because

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Speaker 2: all of us are going to die someday and you

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Speaker 2: don't know when that day is coming. You have no

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01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: clue when that day's coming. You don't want to be

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Speaker 2: like me when I was laying there bleeding out, dying

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Speaker 2: and I had all these regrets of the things I

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01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:17,839
Speaker 2: had done, things I hadn't done. The next time, man,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going after man. I'm involved in multiple businesses,

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Speaker 2: I'm always on the road because I'm I'm making the

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Speaker 2: most of the second chance I was given. So that hopefully,

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01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 2: and I hope God. I hope God will give me

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Speaker 2: a long life that I get to watch my grandkids

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Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe even someday great grandkids. But if

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Speaker 2: I don't, that's okay. Man. I'm living on borrow time.

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Speaker 2: You know. When I go sliding into the grave this

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Speaker 2: next time, I hope it's on fire and I'm smoking,

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01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 2: and people are like, man, that guy lived, and God

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01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 2: will say, well done, well done, my good and faithful sermon.

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Speaker 1: He brought up Tim Tebow to your friend of our ministry.

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: He always talked about when I get to Heaven, I

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01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 1: want to show up exhausted, right, not full of energy

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01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: and passion, but completely emptied of it. I think of

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01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: Marcus Latrella, another shared friend of ours. My dad and

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Speaker 1: I had the privilege of interviewing him at an Ignitement's

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Speaker 1: Impact week in a few years back. And I'll never

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Speaker 1: already said, and he mentions it in his book Loan Survivor.

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Speaker 1: When I knew I was going to die, I fought differently,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, We're all going to die our time

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Speaker 1: on this earth. It's borrow time. But how will we

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01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: choose to live? That's our prayer for each and every

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01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,879
Speaker 1: one of you, is that you would choose to live greatly,

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01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 1: that you would know your purpose, that you would commit

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01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,839
Speaker 1: to a mission, and that you would make an impact

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: and make a difference for that side of eternity on

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01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: this one, Jason, again, my friend, what a privilege it's

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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: been just sitting down and gleaning from your wealth of

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01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 1: wisdom and knowledge and experience. And I know the words

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01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: not expertise, but you're learning as you continue to develop

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01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: into the man that God has called you to become.

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01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: What a privilege has been, my friend. I want to

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01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: ask though, for all of our audience members, because if

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Speaker 1: I'm here in you for the first time, many of

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: them are not. But if I am, I'd be thinking

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01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: where in the world can I go to find out more?

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01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: And where can I go to pick up a copy

1430
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: of any of the books that try to overcome Mission

1431
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 1: Invincible marriage, to pick up a copy of the Sign

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: on the Door? Where can they go?

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01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go to Jason Redmond dot com. It's

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01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 2: my website. It has you know, more information about me.

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01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 2: All my social media links are on the bottom of

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01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 2: the page. If you want to join any of those,

1437
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: or join our mailing list. Most of the speaking events

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01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 2: right now, I'm doing our private, but I do do

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01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: quite a few that more and more that are public. Obviously,

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 2: with life surge, I think we got to get it

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Speaker 2: on the book. Come on absolutely, guys next year, so

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01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 2: I would be I would be honored. And by signing

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01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 2: up of those things you can you can see all

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01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Jason, my friend again on behalf of my dad, doctor

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01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: Tim Clin, myself, all of us at the American Association

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: of Christian Counselors. We love you, We appreciate you, we

1448
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: appreciate the work that got is doing in and through you.

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01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time today. I know you're a

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01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: busy man. I know you've got some big things on

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01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: the docket, but we're incredibly grateful for your service, for

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01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,759
Speaker 1: your sacrifice, for your time. Thank you for joining me. Yeah,

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01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: thank you to our audience a bit different. Thank you

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01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,919
Speaker 1: guys again for tuning in again. God has an incredible

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01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: plan and purpose for your life. He's not done with

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01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: you yet. When you think that you're waiting on God,

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01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: maybe He is waiting on you. Stay in the fight

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01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: and keep fighting the good fight of faith until next time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.