1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: Hey Jay, thanks for joining me. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 3: Man, good to be with you today. 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 4: Jay Louder evangelist and founder of Jay Louder Harvest Ministries. 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 4: Jay recently headlined a campus wide event at Steve and F. Austin, 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 4: a public university there in Texas. Got a lot of 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 4: headlines that I've been enjoying reading. I wanted to talk 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 4: to you about that. Of course, this comes as a 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 4: movement of God is kind of it's catching a lot 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 4: of attention sweeping across college campuses in the United States 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 4: as part of this Unite s movement. You've seen firsthand, Jay, 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 4: what's happening on these college campuses else? What stood out 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 4: to you at this event at Stephen F. Austin And 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 4: what were your faults? 15 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 3: Well SFA is actually underneath the University of Texas. They're 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: affiliated together, and believe it or not, they called me 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: last year, but I wasn't able to go. It was there. 18 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: Last year was the first year they ever did this event. 19 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: I had another obligation, so I couldn't accept. Was invited 20 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: back this year, and man, there's just such a hunger 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: on the college campus. It's not every day that you 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: see five hundred students make commitments to Christ, especially in 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: a setting like this, because you know, here we are, 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: we're on campus, and we're in one of the buildings 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 3: on campus, and the way it's set up is there 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: is these long rows with just one row in the middle. 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: And so I'm just one of these guys that believe 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: if you mean it, you mention it. And I mean 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 3: we had no music. I mean, we had a band, 30 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: but I'm to my during the imitation time when I 31 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: asked people to make a public decision for Christ, it's 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 3: not an easy thing to do, to stand up in 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: front of your peers and other people that you go 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: to college with. And like I say, there was over 35 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: five hundred decisions for Christ. I mean, it seemed like 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: you just couldn't you couldn't stop these kids from saying 37 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: yes to Christ. I made a comment about it. It's 38 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: only the second time in the history of our ministry, 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: and I've been in full time evangelism in over twenty 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: years where we had so many people that wanted to 41 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: accept Christ as savior. We had to ask people to 42 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: leave who weren't making a decision. There was a room 43 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: large enough to walk through that follow up process with them, 44 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 3: and so It was basically, if you're not wanting to 45 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: give your life to Christ, will you just gather your 46 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: things and quietly leave? And I've never seen that except 47 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: one other time in Houston, Texas about five years ago. 48 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: What do you think is driving this? Jay? 49 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 4: And I asked that in terms of where this movement 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: at Abilene Christian? I'm not Iblien Christian, but Steven at Boston. 51 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 4: And where this movement at Steven at Boston that's happening. 52 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: As like I said at the intro there, other college 53 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 4: chemids are seeing something similar. I was writing today about 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: the United S movement at at Pittsburgh University of Pittsburg 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: or Pittsburgh University. 56 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: I forgot how what pit costs themselves, but. 57 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 4: They had hundreds of salvations last night. And this is 58 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: happening in the universities across America. What do you think 59 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: is driving this? This outpouring in this I don't know 60 00:02:59,040 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 4: this is coming to. 61 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: Christ so many college students. 62 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that I have a definitive answer, 63 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: but I know that there are several factors involved. I 64 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: think first of all, you have to look in the 65 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: context of people who are in college. A lot of 66 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 3: these people they've left home for the first time. They're 67 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: in a new environment, they're isolated away from what it 68 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: was like in high school, you know, where you knew 69 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 3: everybody and you grew up there and you had mom 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: and dad looking over your shoulder in different forms of accountability. 71 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: And so I think part of it is being in 72 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: that transitionary time where some of the certainties of life 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: seem to be gone. I think another factor that plays 74 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: into it is when a person goes off to college. 75 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: Not only are they changing geographical locations in many places 76 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: in many cases, but on top of that, they're encountering 77 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: new temptations. And then I think another part of that 78 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: is the fact, of course, the statistics tell us that 79 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: if a person doesn't come to Christ by the age 80 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: of like twenty, the chances of them ever coming to 81 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: Christ diminish greatly. But I think there's just a real 82 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: hunger among young people. I think some of the uncertainty 83 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: that's going on in the culture and the country, I 84 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: think students are looking for something that's real. I think 85 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: a lot of students have experimented with some of the 86 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: vices that this life offers and found those vices to 87 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: be very empty. You know kind of reminds me of 88 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 3: the rich young ruler. You know, he built the barns 89 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: and build greater and greater and greater, and yet there 90 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: was still a lack of satisfaction. And I think that 91 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: plays a huge role into it. And then if I 92 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: had to mention, another thing is is you know, God 93 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: loves everybody, and there's nobody that God doesn't want to reach. 94 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: But I do think that I want to be careful 95 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: how I say this because I don't want it to 96 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: sell like I believe in God's partiality, because I don't. 97 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: But I do think that there is a strategic move 98 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: of God knowing the impact and influence that these young 99 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: people can have. I mean, they're on the bridge of 100 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: launching into a new life, maybe going into new cities 101 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: and getting married in beginning life. And so again to 102 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: say that I know the answer to that definitively is no. 103 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: But I will tell you this as someone who's been 104 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: twenty years plus in full time evangelism, and I mean 105 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: I've done everything from NFL football teams to addiction centers 106 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: to prisons, to megachurches to small churches. I've never seen 107 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 3: a demographic that's more hungry than what I see among 108 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: college students. 109 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: Do you think the pandemic sparked anything? 110 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I think again, that kind of plays 111 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: into everything that's going on in our culture right now 112 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: and has been going on. You know to what degree 113 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: that would be, obviously, I wouldn't know, But I do 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: think that that plays a role into it. I think 115 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 3: social media plays a role into it. I think the 116 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: facade and the camouflage of what a lot of these 117 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: students see online that presents itself as an illusion, a 118 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: mirage of what reality really is, plays a role into it. Again, 119 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: I just think there's so many factors. But again, to 120 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: be a college student and to publicly, without a band 121 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: leading worship or anything, stand up and say I don't 122 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 3: care who sees me, I don't care who judges me. 123 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: There's an emptiness in my life. Nothing is filling it, 124 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: and I want Christ to come in my life. I 125 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: mean that says a lot. It says a whole lot. 126 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: Did you sense when you're preaching that something was a 127 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: miss that's not a mess, but su that the spirit 128 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: was leading and that go ahead? 129 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so glad you asked that. And some of 130 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: the listeners may go this is this is odd, but 131 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: that's okay with me. My youngest son was with me 132 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: and he was sitting on the very back, and later 133 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: on we were talking about it and I said, and 134 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: I hate to use this word, and people tend to 135 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 3: criticize it, but I said, did you feel what I felt? 136 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: And again, I know the emotionalism crowd is going to 137 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: come out and say something, but I mean because there 138 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: was such a real, old presence of God in that room. 139 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: Now again from the aspect of you know, we obviously 140 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 3: didn't see Michael the archangel, and we did we didn't 141 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: have anybody swinging from chandeliers, but the presence of God 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: was so real, and I knew that we were going 143 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: to see something great. To say that I expected to 144 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: see what we saw would not be accurate. But God's presence, 145 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: the presence and the people who listening to this, who 146 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: understand the work of God's spirit and understand what it's 147 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: like to feel his literally just smothering presence. It was 148 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: so obvious in that room, so obvious. 149 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 4: How would you categorize what's going on along college students nationwide? 150 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 4: And if you're not comfortable aging yet, that's fine. But 151 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: the word revival gets debated. Some people call it an 152 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: outpour and some people just call it a movement of God. 153 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 4: What do you think is going on right now? 154 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's important, first of all to look 155 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: at what is the difference between a revival and an awakening. 156 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: And I know a lot of times these terms are 157 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: used synonymously with one another, but they're completely different. A 158 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: revival is something that takes place among those of us 159 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: who already know Christ. It's a maybe it's a reigniting 160 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: or a fanning of the flame that already exists, where 161 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: an awakening oftentimes is more synonymous with people who don't 162 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: know Christ coming to know Christ again. A lot of 163 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: people don't make that differentiation, but there is. And so 164 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: for me personally, as someone who only knows full time 165 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: of vangelism undeniably, I would equate what we saw in SFA, 166 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: what I saw when I spoke at Liberty University to 167 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: fifteen thousand students. I would not call that a revival. 168 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: I would call it an awakening because what we're seeing, 169 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 3: and not to say that we're not seeing people who 170 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: already know Christ coming back to Christ, because you and 171 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: I know the repentance is not just for the unsaved. 172 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: It's for everybody. But what we're seeing is is mass 173 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: numbers of people that don't know Jesus. They may have 174 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof. They 175 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: may know about Christ but don't know me personally, that 176 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 3: are coming to faith in the Lord. And it's a 177 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: big difference. 178 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: Would you say that what is going on right now though, 179 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 4: was not happening ten years ago. I mean, it seems 180 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 4: like there's a debate right now that there's nothing different. 181 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,239 Speaker 2: You're saying, Oh, I totally. 182 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: Agree with that. I totally disagree with that. I mean, again, 183 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: as someone who's been doing this for twenty years, I 184 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: mean I've never been on staff at a church. This 185 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 3: is all I've ever done is full time evangelism. The 186 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: only thing that I could liken it to, And again 187 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it in the exact same box or category. 188 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: But what it reminds me of is after nine to eleven. 189 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: After nine to eleven, this was much earlier days of ministry, 190 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: and I was actually doing some things on my own 191 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: and traveling some with other evangelists. But I saw a 192 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: real hunger among people after the Twin Tower towers fell. 193 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: Now and to be completely honest with that. It was 194 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: short lived, but it was extremely real, It was extremely powerful, 195 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: and so if I had to try to correlate it 196 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: with something that we've seen in the past, that would 197 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: be the closest. But again, I wouldn't put it in 198 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: the same box because we're seeing things now that we've 199 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: never seen. You know, I mentioned Liberty. I got a 200 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: chance to speak at Liberty University, and I've spoken now 201 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: four times there and one of the times that I 202 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: spoke there, we had several thousand people make a public 203 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: decision for christ We're not talking about a secular university. 204 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: This is a Christian university. So yeah, it's unprecedented in 205 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: my opinion. 206 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 4: And you talk about comparing it to something that this 207 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 4: one has been going all long. I was around nine 208 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: to eleven, of course, and this is more Lenkedy than that. 209 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: You know, the unit astment, which I repreens earlier, it 210 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 4: started two and a half years ago, and then you 211 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: had the outpouring at Wilmore, Kentucky at Asbury that was 212 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: before that, And so there's something going on right now 213 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,599 Speaker 4: that we haven't you know, again. 214 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: I think it's important to differentiate because I know that 215 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: there has been, there have been rather some revival type 216 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 3: atmospheres that have happened. I've seen these things online, you know, 217 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: where again, more along the Christian crowd, warship goes on 218 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: three days straight and people who already know Christ are 219 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 3: just falling in places of repentance and in worship. Again, 220 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 3: I would call that revival because again it's among believers. 221 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: But I think when we're talking about what happened at SFA, 222 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: and there have been some other pockets where we've seen 223 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 3: this happen in Texas, and of course you mentioned what 224 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: happened with Unite recently again that that would be different 225 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: than what we might have seen it some of the 226 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: others where the worship that went on for hours, where 227 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: it was more so believers getting right with the Lord. 228 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, we need, as you and I agree, and all 229 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 4: Christians arealness, we need both revival and an awakening. 230 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: We need we need Christians to revive their hearts and 231 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: the general population to be awakened. 232 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: Let me say right quick, I don't want to I'm 233 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 3: not maximizing or minimizing one or the other above one 234 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: or the other, because like you said, they're both very 235 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: very important. We know that the Scripture says the judgment 236 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 3: begins at God's house, and so it is extremely important 237 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: that there is whether you want to call a revival 238 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: or renewal whatever, among those of us that know Christ. 239 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: But are also equally important is there needs to be 240 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: an awakening among people who have never been awoken spiritually, 241 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: need a new Christ. 242 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 2: Curious, what were you preaching on that night? What was 243 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: your text? 244 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 3: Well, I preached there three nights. Okay, the first night 245 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: I preached out of Matthew chapter seven. To me, one 246 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: of the most fascinating things that Jesus teaches in all 247 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: of Scripture, where he's giving us appeal back kind of 248 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: a look at the Wizard of Ozo to speak, when 249 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 3: he pulls back the curtain, and he lets us not 250 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: only look at what's going to happen in the end days, 251 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: but he even lets us hear the excuses that people 252 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 3: are going to make when they're trying to convince Christ 253 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: that they have a relationship with him, And Jesus is saying, 254 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: I never knew you. Well, but wait a minute, I prophesied, 255 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: I preached, I shared my faith, I did many wonderful works. 256 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: Even one group says I cast out demons in your name, 257 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: and Jesus says, I never knew you. So that was 258 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: my That kind of set the tone. That was the 259 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: first night, the text that I used. 260 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 4: Let's as we close here, I want you to respond 261 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: to people who are pessimistic about the future of our country, 262 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: specifically young people. I think that's always you know, all 263 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 4: of most other people always been you know, kind of 264 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 4: get off my loan, and we're always passive is to 265 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: go about the future of the nation. 266 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: Because we're looking at the young people. That's not near. 267 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 4: But that is common nowadays to think that the future 268 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: of America is hopeless, that the younger generation is hopeless 269 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 4: as well. I sense that you're thinking something different. 270 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: Well, I'm definitely figuring something different. And I take the 271 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: scripture literally. Jesus said this. He said the fields are wide, 272 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: end of the harvest, and Jesus told us to pray 273 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: for laborers to get into the harvest. I know there's 274 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: always that crowd out there that they want to say, well, 275 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: isn't emotionalism or is it real? And the first thing 276 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: I would say to those people, or who are we 277 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: to question anybody's salvation experience or commitment to Christ? We 278 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: ought to always rejoice in that. But I think if 279 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: you've become so narrow minded that the only news you're 280 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: listening to is CNN or Fox, you're missing the point. 281 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: I believe that the Scripture teaches is that in the 282 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: last days that God wants to pour out his spirit. 283 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: I mean, this is in black and white. And if 284 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: we believe what God's word says, we should not only 285 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: be praying for that, we should be working towards that. 286 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: We should be investing in that, and we should be 287 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: rejoicing in that. The last thing we need is another 288 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: group of Pharisees or Sadducees sitting back with their arms folded, 289 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: try to evaluate what somebody else is doing with their life. Man, 290 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: I believe that God answers prayer. I believe that God 291 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: answers prayer before we even pray it. And what I 292 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: would say is is all of us should be asking 293 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: God to show us in what way we can be 294 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: employed into His kingdom. If you see, for too long 295 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: we've asked God to bless what we're doing instead of 296 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: asking God instead to help us do what you're blessing 297 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: and what God is blessing right now. For some unique reason, 298 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: God is really pouring out his spirit on young people, 299 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: many of which and again, I know we're running out 300 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: of time here, but if you could read the direct 301 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: messages of some of these students who are lonely, who 302 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: have mental health issues, who are suicidal, who are trying 303 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: to find a reason not to in their life the 304 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: night before they came to the event, it not only 305 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: will break your heart, but it give your heart to 306 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: see other people come to know Christ. 307 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 4: Briefly tell us about your ministry and how long you've 308 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: been operating this ministry and where you're going next. 309 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's one of the reasons that I 310 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: have the passion for young people that I do. To 311 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: try to condense this down to an elevator's speech, I 312 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: attempted suicide at twenty one years of age, and my 313 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: life was a complete wreck. Had completely Even though I 314 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: grew up in going to church here in the South, 315 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: God was not a part of my life in any way. 316 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,479 Speaker 3: After my suicide attempt, I was invited to a evangelistic 317 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: outreach where the guy who was speaking had attempted suicide. 318 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: I had long since given up church. The only reason 319 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: why I went was hoping that maybe he could provide 320 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: some bullet points or a road map of how I 321 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: could escape my suicidal tendencies. And that night when I went, 322 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: he didn't say anything about his suicide. He presented an 323 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: unadulterated view of Jesus Christ hanging on a cross like 324 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 3: a scarecrow, between heaven and earth. And he finished his 325 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 3: sermon that night by saying, some of you you've been 326 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: around church and you know about Jesus, but you don't 327 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 3: know Jesus. And you're going to wake up when they 328 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: lost an eternity. And when he said that, I knew that. 329 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: I knew that. I knew that even though I was 330 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 3: at one point religious, I was lost that even though 331 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: one time I had made a profession, there had never 332 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 3: been a genuine confession in my life. And I got 333 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: on my knees that night, nothing fancy, nothing that would 334 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: have impressed anybody, and I said, God, you know I'm 335 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: a wreck. You know I'm a sinner. You know I 336 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: can't even find a reason not to end my life. 337 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 3: Will you save me? And then three nights later I 338 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 3: went to the closing event and it was for an 339 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 3: unevent for students, and I saw multitudes of students do 340 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 3: what I had done three nights before and I turned 341 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: to my roommate, the guy that God used to save 342 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: my life, and I turned to him. Nobody in my 343 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: family's ever been in ministry. There's no background in ministry. 344 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: And I turned to my roommate and I said, that's 345 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: what I'll do with the rest of my life. And 346 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 3: he's like, what are you talking about? And I said, Man, 347 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 3: if somehow, someway my life could be more than just 348 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: making money, If somehow, some way God could use my 349 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: life to give hope to broken people like me, that's 350 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: what I want to do. I never dreamed it would 351 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: have turned out to this, But that's our ministry. We're 352 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: full time evangelistic ministry. It's all we do, it's all 353 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 3: we want to do. I wouldn't say I'm good at 354 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: anything on this whole planet. I wouldn't say that I'm 355 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 3: really passionate about much on this planet. But one thing, 356 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: and that seen people come to know Jesus. 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