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Speaker 1: it led to spiraling thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Faith over Fear podcast, where we share

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Speaker 2: powerful truths to quiet anxiety big and small. I'm Carol

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Speaker 2: McCracken and I'm Jennifer SAIDREI, and you know, life feels

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Speaker 2: heavy right now. The headlines, the tension, the conflicts, social

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Speaker 2: media in particular, the constant noise. It's overwhelming and to

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Speaker 2: me personally, it's exhausting emotionally sometimes and in a climate

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Speaker 2: like this, it's easy to believe the lie that the

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Speaker 2: world is out of control and we're helpless and we're

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Speaker 2: in danger. But scripture tells us otherwise. God is sovereign,

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Speaker 2: present and at work. So today we're talking about why

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Speaker 2: chaos fuels anxiety, the truths about God that steady our hearts,

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Speaker 2: and practical ways to experience greater peace.

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Speaker 1: I am really looking forward to this because this is

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Speaker 1: right where I'm at, and I know you and I

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Speaker 1: have talked. I have been getting sucked into social media.

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Speaker 1: I'm a high feelings person and the other night I realized, well,

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Speaker 1: my husband actually encouragements like Jen, you need to step

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Speaker 1: away from social media. I know you you're not going

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Speaker 1: to be able to sleep tonight because it was just

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Speaker 1: all of these emotions coming at me and all this

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Speaker 1: news coming at me, and everything just feels like it

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Speaker 1: hits faster than we can process sometimes. Sure, and I

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Speaker 1: went to bed that night and he was exactly right

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Speaker 1: like my I felt like my stress chemicals were keeping

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Speaker 1: me awake, and it led to spiraling thoughts. Pretty soon,

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Speaker 1: every relationship in my life is start starting. And I'm

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Speaker 1: exaggerating a little, but when we're in that place, it's

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Speaker 1: really easy for things to spiral. And again, it was

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Speaker 1: kind of like when you did in the opening feeling

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Speaker 1: out of control. It did. It was like, Okay, the

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Speaker 1: world is ending. Sometimes when I look at the world,

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Speaker 1: it's like, just like you said, everything feels out of control.

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Speaker 1: And I don't feel when I'm in that place, I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like I can keep my family and myself

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Speaker 1: and my loved ones safe because I have no say

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Speaker 1: over a lot of the things that are hitting us.

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Speaker 1: But the Lord gently well, first of all, he's brought

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Speaker 1: me to some things that led to this episode because

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Speaker 1: I reached out to you a lot of research that

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Speaker 1: was really helpful to me. But also just this reminder

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Speaker 1: in my soul to continually turn to him when I'm

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Speaker 1: in that place where my perspective is being distorted by

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Speaker 1: all the noise coming at me.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's important because there's going to continue

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Speaker 2: to be noise, and the climate that we're in right now,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to stop anytime soon. So I think

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Speaker 2: that we have a system response that's pretty normal, as

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Speaker 2: much as we don't like it. What you're going through

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Speaker 2: is unfortunately normal for a lot of us, and how

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Speaker 2: our system responds to it. Talk a little bit the amygdala.

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Speaker 2: I love to say that name and the brain science

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Speaker 2: because they're scientific things that it affects trauma survivors differently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think we're all experiencing. I would

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Speaker 1: almost say that what we're seeing is does feel a

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Speaker 1: little We're seeing things on our screens that are very, very,

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Speaker 1: very unsettling, and so our amigdala is it's very normal

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Speaker 1: telling us constantly that we're unsafe, and so it can

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Speaker 1: it is true for those who have experienced It's something

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Speaker 1: I've been learning who've experienced trauma, particularly when they're younger

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Speaker 1: and their brain is developing, their brain becomes very skilled

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Speaker 1: at scanning for danger to keep them safe, to help

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Speaker 1: And that's why a lot of times we'll feel it

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Speaker 1: we may You see people on social media and the

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Speaker 1: very uncharacteristic for them. They're probably in a dysregulated state

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if that answered your question, but

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, we were never meant to live

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Speaker 2: in that constant state of anxiety, because sometimes anxiety in

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Speaker 2: dealing with fear is good because say you see a snake, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Are you poison I'm like all snakes are rad you know.

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Speaker 2: this state far longer than we were wired to do so, right,

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Speaker 2: and so how do we function okay? Getting to scripture?

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Speaker 2: How are we supposed to take our thoughts captive if

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Speaker 2: we live in that state of emotional arousal, anxiety producing?

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Speaker 1: How do we do that right? Right? That's a really

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Speaker 1: good point because for a long time, so I've had

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Caroline, what your anxiety radar

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Speaker 1: has been throughout your life, but I've had chronic anxiety

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Speaker 1: have to do something to ground myself, and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of different things. I'm so excited. I know you're

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Speaker 1: looking forward to that. I know it's going to really

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Speaker 1: help our listeners. For me, I have some tools that

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Speaker 1: I've practiced that helped me calm down enough, and usually

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Speaker 1: the first step is breathing and just recognizing God presence

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Speaker 1: to sense your presence. You're with me. That can depending

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Speaker 1: when I'm in his presence, it helps me to be

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Speaker 1: more receptive to his truth as well, because he'll remind

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Speaker 2: So you can be in a stake then to take

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Speaker 2: your thoughts captive. His presence is settling you, is what

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Speaker 2: Reminding you of who's really in charge and it's not.

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Speaker 1: Us right, So lately how he's been leading me, I'm

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Speaker 1: the past. And it reminds me of Proverbs three, verses

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Speaker 1: and to our listeners, this is true for all of us.

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Speaker 1: However overwhelmed you feel right now, this is where God

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Speaker 1: is wanting to take us, and it says, trust in

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Speaker 1: the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on

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Speaker 1: your own understanding in all your ways, submit to him

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Speaker 1: thing that really has encouraged me lately is how he

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed with such grace.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a relationship that you are developing with him.

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Speaker 2: You trust him because isn't half our issue that we

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Speaker 2: don't know who to trust sometimes?

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Speaker 1: Amen, especially now with is a s ai. What is true,

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Speaker 1: what isn't true, what's been doctored, what hasn't been doctored?

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Speaker 2: And so you know that you can trust Jesus because

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Speaker 2: he has your good in mind all the time, you

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Speaker 2: and me both, even when we mess up, which we

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Speaker 2: and that's always reassuring to me. Yeah, but I think

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Speaker 2: I mean, haven't we had past experiences with conflict. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you kind of jumped to anxiety before you should.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So what you're saying, like, if we saw conflict

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Speaker 1: for us totally. Or if we've been in environments where

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I had a college roommate that her mom yelled

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Speaker 1: True, Amen, Praise God. So thankful. But I feel like

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Speaker 1: a way like, Okay, I have a quote unquote responsibility

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Speaker 1: be speaking out or I should be doing something. And

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Speaker 1: for a while I was wrestling in that, well, am

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Speaker 1: I a hypocrite? If I don't? Am I? You know? How?

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Speaker 1: I not honoring Jesus? And he just reminded me a

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Speaker 1: couple of things we talked about in a previous episode. Capacity, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like what is my capacity? What is he calling me

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Speaker 1: to do? And frankly, right now he's calling me to

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Speaker 1: write books and devotions, not to share my opinion in

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Speaker 1: God is going to lead other people, but by not

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Speaker 1: trusting in my understanding, my understanding is like, Okay, Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Slattery needs to fix this thing, to impart this wisdom

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Speaker 1: his understanding, saying, no, Jen, I really want you to

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Speaker 1: enjoy your husband right now. I really want you to

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Speaker 1: come sit with me right now. I really want you

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Speaker 1: to focus on this assignment I gave you over here.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's what can be Just having

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Speaker 1: that confusion, yeah, cleared up already helps to alleviate some

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Speaker 1: of my anxiety and stress.

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Speaker 2: And that's good. And then you can be poured into,

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Speaker 2: so you can pour it into others, and that really

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Speaker 2: helps it. You're not pouring an anxious Jennifer into me, your.

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Speaker 2: the input. It's going to be there on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen. Amen. And God has given you everything you

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Speaker 1: need to do everything he's asked today.

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Speaker 2: Amen to that. I just and that is something that

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Speaker 2: I have to remind myself.

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Speaker 1: But He has not given you what you need to

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Speaker 1: do what you will do tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: That's right. It starts over again. You know that's right.

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Speaker 2: Just enough, and then there's ways to reregulate the body

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Speaker 2: and I can point it out. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 2: an episode where there's a lot of practical tools like

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Speaker 2: the tapping thing that you mentioned. We're going to give

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Speaker 2: a toolbox from a therapist that gives us some ideas

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Speaker 2: of how to do that. And then you brought it

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Speaker 2: up too. Reflecting on the truth, where do we get

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Speaker 2: the truth from scripture? There's Psalm forty six one too.

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Speaker 2: Let me read that to you. God is our refuge

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Speaker 2: and strength and ever present help in trouble. Therefore we

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Speaker 2: will not fear. That's truth. God is there, he is

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Speaker 2: ever present, He's with us right now. And then you

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about refuge in Psalm ninety one

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Speaker 2: one through four. There's imagery, there's God. God is shelter.

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Speaker 2: God is that refuge that we're talking about, the ever

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Speaker 2: present help in times of trouble. He's a covering. What's

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Speaker 2: that mean to you?

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Speaker 1: When I am struggling, I like to evoke my imagination,

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Speaker 1: and so I like to envision myself with when I

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Speaker 1: read passages like Psalm ninety one one through four, I

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Speaker 1: like to actually envision myself surrounded by God as my

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Speaker 1: strong power, as my refuge. And there's a passage in

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Speaker 1: Psalm one thirty nine, I think it's verse four where

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Speaker 1: David and ancient Israel king, he said, you hem me

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Speaker 1: in before and behind you place your hand upon me.

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Speaker 1: And so I just like this imagery of God's love

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Speaker 1: forming like a protective barrier around me, and that helps

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Speaker 1: settle me in that moment, just by reminding me I'm

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Speaker 1: not helpless. The world is not actually out of control

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Speaker 1: because God is sovereign, which sovereign is a theological term.

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Speaker 1: It just means he's in control, yes, and he's watching

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Speaker 1: over me, and he's guiding and protecting and providing. And

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Speaker 1: so by being in that place where I can quiet

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Speaker 1: my brain and envision a safe place, yeah, really helps

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Speaker 1: to settle me.

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Speaker 2: That's good I think I'd like to think that that's

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Speaker 2: what Jesus was doing when he was communicating with the Father,

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Speaker 2: you know, when they were separate, when he was incarnate

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Speaker 2: as a human being, turning to his father. He's the refuge,

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Speaker 2: he's the covering. Jesus is doing God's will. Therefore God

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Speaker 2: is going to protect him as he gets this perfect

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Speaker 2: plan accomplished. But he needed help doing it, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier in the episode. I like the way

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Speaker 2: you describe joy. Yeah, bribe joy a lot, and you

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Speaker 2: talk about choosing it, So tell me more about that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, my understanding of joy it's actually grown over

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Speaker 1: the years from I read a lot of content from

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Speaker 1: an organization called Deeper Walk International. And then there's a

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Speaker 1: Christian he calls himself the brain Theologian I think, or something.

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Speaker 1: But so they talk and then Chris Cursey, I think

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Speaker 1: that's his name. He wrote The joy Sway. So there's

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Speaker 1: all this content that talks about how for our brains,

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Speaker 1: joy is actually when you are glad to be with

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Speaker 1: someone and they're glad to be with you. So it's

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Speaker 1: that connection. And if those who are listening, if you

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Speaker 1: could see Carol, she's smiled right now because she is

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Speaker 1: our community girl, she's that resonates with her soul. But

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Speaker 1: that's what science is showing, and it doesn't mean you

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Speaker 1: always have to be jolly happy all the time. You

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Speaker 1: can be sad and still have someone who wants to

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Speaker 1: be with you, and that increases our resiliency to remain ourselves.

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Speaker 1: When we are under stress and pressure, we cannot remain

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Speaker 1: ourselves and this is something I'm having to learn because

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Speaker 1: I like to be independent. We cannot remain ourselves by ourselves.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of joy, there is a book that I'm

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Speaker 1: reading and I actually put it in my newsletter I

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Speaker 1: think the last time, but that it's the Joy Switch

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Speaker 1: and it's from a brain, science, theological, biblical, spirit led perspective,

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Speaker 1: all that together on how to build your resiliency through

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Speaker 1: intentional joy. So I'll make sure to put that in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. But yeah, that's a really big one.

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Speaker 1: And I'm finding we can experience that with God. Right

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Speaker 1: we know he's always happy to be with us. And

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Speaker 1: I'm copying a phrase I've heard before so that it's

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Speaker 1: not mine, but and we're obviously happy to be with him.

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Speaker 1: And the more we do that, we're also building resiliency

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Speaker 1: through that as well.

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Speaker 2: That's good, build up the reserves. And then we talked

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Speaker 2: a little bit another way to recenters, just to go outside.

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Speaker 2: You talked about that about your spot that you picked

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Speaker 2: even here, not your real home that I do, you'd

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Speaker 2: move but to do that, but you did.

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Speaker 1: You know the one thing I find really helpful to

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Speaker 1: because I did that last week, just for a couple

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Speaker 1: of days, even and I noticed such a shift in

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Speaker 1: my anxiety level. I noticed so much more peace. It

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Speaker 1: was like when I pulled away and I spent time

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Speaker 1: with our dog, and I spent time with my husband,

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Speaker 1: and I spent time with outside and exercised all the things.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, the world actually is still good.

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Speaker 1: There's still beauty, there's still joy, and sometimes when we

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Speaker 1: spend too much time on screens, we can forget that.

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Speaker 1: In the day today, I still am talking to people

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Speaker 1: like at the dog park, my husband is talking to

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Speaker 1: people at the pickleball court. They're not fighting, right, they're

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Speaker 1: not name calling.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's a really good reset to

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Speaker 1: bring perspective back that social media and our news programs

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Speaker 1: and all of that can really distort.

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Speaker 2: So what about spiritual grounding. Yeah, talk about God's presence

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Speaker 2: in the midst. I think the reason I jump to

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Speaker 2: that is because that's what you're telling me right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: God's presence in cultural chaos. Every culture has its own chaos,

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Speaker 2: no matter what. There was chaos in Jesus's time. It

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Speaker 2: was a Roman occupation. The people were oppressed, and we

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Speaker 2: feel oppressed right now. Yeah, there's nothing new under the sun. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is no supprise to God. There's a couple passages

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Speaker 2: I know you, like Isaiah Isaiah forty one ten again,

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Speaker 2: do not fear, for I'm with you. I will uphold you.

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Speaker 2: What more do you need than that?

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Speaker 1: Right? And we'll put those scriptures in the show notes

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Speaker 1: to the listener so you can and I'll create a

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Speaker 1: companion guide as well to help you process through some

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Speaker 1: of these. Don't try to do it all at once,

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Speaker 1: try to do little bits. That's the thing I would

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Speaker 1: probably recommend. If I'm thinking, like, Okay, I've got to

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Speaker 1: go have this big, deep connection with God, i gotta

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Speaker 1: go take a weekend and I gotta do X, Y

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Speaker 1: and Z.

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Speaker 2: It's it's so.

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Speaker 1: Overwhelming, I won't do it. But like, Okay, I've got

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Speaker 1: five minutes. I'm going to pause in his presence. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to breathe, I'm going to pray, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: reflect on a verse. I'm more apt to do it.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes five minutes can have a huge impact, especially because,

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Speaker 1: like you said, he is with us, he upholds us.

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Speaker 1: So we're not doing the main work. We are doing

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Speaker 1: our part to come to him. Yes, and he is

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Speaker 1: doing the leading. We're doing our part to follow. And

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Speaker 1: he is the one. This is something I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: remember and learn. He is the one who brings the peace.

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Speaker 1: I don't create peace within myself. I can't.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. We are weak individuals. Week is not

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Speaker 2: a good word in our culture. But we can be

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Speaker 2: good if you lean on God. And God is strong,

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Speaker 2: stronger than anything. God is in charge, God is sovereign,

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Speaker 2: that word that you used before. So if we would

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Speaker 2: not be a shame of our own weakness, since we

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Speaker 2: don't create the peace, why don't we lean on the

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Speaker 2: one who does?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And there's a verse actually that So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, but we had Mike Donahey

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Speaker 1: from tenth thouvend Worth on and he's actually a brilliant.

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Speaker 1: He's not just a musician, he's a brilliant theologian. Yes.

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Speaker 1: And he talked about Collijns three fifteen, which says, let

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Speaker 1: the peace of Christ rule our hearts, and he really

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Speaker 1: focused in on the let part, and he said, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you have to consider how you might be unintentionally or

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Speaker 1: if you're incident, it could be intentionally, but often unintentionally

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Speaker 1: blocking the Lord's peace. And so just going back to that,

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Speaker 1: and there can be so many different ways. For me,

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Speaker 1: it's by getting on social media when he tells me

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Speaker 1: to stay off that would be blocking his peace, or

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Speaker 1: maybe not getting enough sleep that would be blocking his piece,

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Speaker 1: or not connecting with him that would be blocking his peace.

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Speaker 1: But the reminder that I just need to come as

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Speaker 1: best as I can and keep coming and He's gonna

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Speaker 1: do the rest. And I think also I wanted to

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Speaker 1: encourage listeners because I have to remind myself this is

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Speaker 1: a journey we're not gonna implement. You're not gonna listen

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Speaker 1: to today's episode. Try everything we are talking about. In

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Speaker 1: a month from now, be completely healed and whole and

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Speaker 1: anxiety free. But what I am confident of because I've

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Speaker 1: lived it as we continue to grow closer to Jesus

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Speaker 1: and practice these tools and experience healing in him and

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Speaker 1: taken his truth. Each day, we will necessarily experience increase peace.

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Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent right. And you know what, stuff happens.

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Speaker 2: Life happens, and we get triggered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that it's okay to get a little help

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Speaker 2: when you need it, Amen, and you can't. It's that

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Speaker 2: thing I'm really bad about self sufficiency. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to bother people. Yeah, you know what, It's an investment

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Speaker 2: in yourself. If you can speak a little help to

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Speaker 2: maybe reframe. Heck, Jesus did it. He went to the Father.

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Speaker 2: You've got to go to someone sometimes get some support.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, And I will say that's where I've learned

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Speaker 1: a lot too, is by seeking support understanding, and that's

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Speaker 1: what's given me the tools.

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Speaker 2: Self sufficiency and isolation will just keep you in a

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Speaker 2: circle in your head. I've lived that. You try to

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Speaker 2: be strong. But community, community, community. You call me community, Carol,

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Speaker 2: because I learned the hard way. Yeah, there's the reason

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Speaker 2: that God created community. It is not good for man

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Speaker 2: to be alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which I so you I want to say

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Speaker 1: three things and before we close out one, I did

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Speaker 1: want to mention two listeners we've heard on occasion. Every

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Speaker 1: once in a while we get some ads that come

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Speaker 1: through the ad blockers. I want you to know that

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Speaker 1: Life Audio works really hard to make sure that we

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Speaker 1: don't have that, but sometimes certain like gambling or whatever,

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Speaker 1: they've gotten really sneaky about finding way to get behind

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Speaker 1: the blocks that they put up. So I do want

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Speaker 1: to say that, so please grace for that. But also

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Speaker 1: I wanted to mention when you were talking about how

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Speaker 1: you've lived it and where you're at now, you have

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Speaker 1: such a powerful testimony. You've shared it here. Remind me

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Speaker 1: to link to that. But you've also been on two

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Speaker 1: other podcasts recently where you talked about where you were,

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Speaker 1: what your isolation brought you to, how community stepped in

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Speaker 1: and was really your lifeline when you could have gone

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Speaker 1: completely off the rails, and how God used all of

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Speaker 1: that to completely change your trajectory and bring you peace

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Speaker 1: and joy in ways that you probably never thought he would.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I hope you listen to episodes like that.

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Speaker 2: But for those of you, no, you're never alone and

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Speaker 2: know that God is a redemptive God. I speak from experience,

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Speaker 2: because I have suffered through addiction and divorce, and you

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Speaker 2: know what, getting to the other side of it in

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Speaker 2: ways that you never expected it to look is one

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Speaker 2: of the greatest joys in my life right now.

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Speaker 1: Amen. And then seeing him use what was once your

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Speaker 1: biggest struggle to bring others freedom, that is really cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: to our listeners, if you feel overwhelmed with everything bombarding

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Speaker 1: your social media feed, your cell phone, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you're it doesn't mean you're broken, it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: you're somehow insufficient. It means your nervous system is being

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Speaker 1: flooded by TMC. That's my new word, too much chaos.

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Speaker 1: I think we're just gonna that's gonna be when I'm

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Speaker 1: feeling overwhelmed, I'm just gonna be TMC. I'm out.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: And God is inviting you to turn to him in

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Speaker 1: your overwhelmed to trust that He is in full control,

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Speaker 1: and to follow his guidance as he leads you to

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Speaker 1: increased peace because and this has been so encouraging to me,

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Speaker 1: a message he's been speaking to me again and again.

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Speaker 1: He won't leave you stuck in your overwhelm and pain.

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Speaker 1: And if today's conversation if it resonated with you, we

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Speaker 1: created a free source that you can use. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: you can download it for free that can help you

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Speaker 1: step out of your overwhelm and into God's peace. It

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Speaker 1: includes scripture, reflection prompts, and simple practices for when anxiety rises.

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Speaker 1: And again you're going to I cannot stress enough. You

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Speaker 1: want to listen to the episode that Carol is going

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Speaker 1: to be doing. I guarantee it will be life changing,

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Speaker 1: long term, life changing, so you'll want to do that.

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Speaker 1: And if someone you love has been feeling overwhelmed lately,

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Speaker 1: share this episode with them. You might be offering them

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Speaker 1: the reminder of God's peace that they really need today.

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Speaker 1: And so we encourage you also to subscribe to this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Then you won't miss a single episode. Make sure to

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Speaker 1: rate it. That encourages us and it helps others to

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Speaker 1: find our content. And until next time, once you close that.

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Speaker 2: Out, may you live as one who has been truly

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Speaker 2: set free.

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Speaker 1: Amen,