1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: He's editor in chief of Breitbart Newis and a New 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: York Times best selling author, and on this podcast he 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: brings deep research, prescient analysis at world class guests. He's 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: Alex Marlow and this is the Alex Marlow Show. 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: I'm absolutely excited for this podcast. I've got two great 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: guests for you today. The first one is the Commissioner 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: of the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, Marty McCarey. 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: This is a super sophisticated guy who's got an unbelievable 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: track record. He was an onco logic and gastro intestinal 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: surgeon trained to JOHNS Hopkins, and he's a master's in 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: public health from Harvard. Perfect guy for this type of role, 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: essential to the MAHA movement, essential to trying to restore 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: the trust in our medical community which has really been 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: eroded since the coronavirus. We get into why there's been 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: this huge up tech in gastro intestinal cancers for younger people. 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: We get into the efforts Trump is made to lower 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: drug prices. We talk about food safety, We talk abot 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: holding people accountable for that baby formula crisis that I 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: wrote so much about and talk so much about during 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: the Joe Biden years. We even get into microplastics. It's 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: a wide ranging interview that you're going to love. Before 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: we hear from Will Tebow, who's an Army veteran and 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: he is tasked with the American Military Project at the 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: Claremont Institute, which does a lot of good work. His 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: mission is to restore the warrior ethos and how is 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: that going under Trump? And hegsas I think pretty well, 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: but I want to get his take as someone who 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: lives and breathes this stuff every day. All that to 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: come on the show. Let's get into it with Marty McCarey. Right, 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: FDA Administrator Marty mckarey is with me, Administrator. I've really 31 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: wanted to talk to you for a long time. Really 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 2: nice to meet you in person too, Alex. 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 3: And it's so much on my mind. 34 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to go something that's probably not first thing 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: that you would think of. The one thing that I've 36 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: been noticing because I trapped Medical News a lot, is 37 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: it seems like there's a huge uptick in GI cancers. 38 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: And I've showed to some of you guys have noticed 39 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: do we have any of you made any progress trying 40 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on, because it just feels 41 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: like more young people coming down those types of cancers, 42 00:01:58,840 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: and it's very devastating. 43 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 4: One of the theories why cancer is going up in 44 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 4: people under age fifty while it's going down in other 45 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 4: age groups is that it's what we're eating, because it's 46 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: interfacing with the GI tract directly. Literally, what we eat 47 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 4: is going alongside of that mecosa and the GI tract, 48 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 4: and so the cancer's going up are colorectal cancer, du 49 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 4: adenal cancer, small vowel cancer, pancreatic cancer. These are the 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 4: GI relatencies. We've got to talk about a healthier food supply. 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 4: We're doing a review of the chemicals. We've taken action 52 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: to remove the nine artificial food dies. Now they've been 53 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: associated with behavioral disorders, not with cancer. 54 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: But these are. 55 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 4: Chemicals that do not appear in nature. And what happens 56 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 4: when we eat food that has thirty ingredients on the back, 57 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 4: chemicals that don't appear in nature. It is resulting in 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 4: an immune response in inflammation. Body doesn't recognize it, and 59 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: that low grade inflammation over time may be one of 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 4: the reasons that cancer is triggered in the GI tract. 61 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: So what do you think people should be doing to 62 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: caution themselves from this, because the Secretary Kennedy throughout a 63 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: stat that something like seventy percent of the food eating 64 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: is processed, just horrifying stuff. I mean, it feels like 65 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: that's got to be a big part of it. What 66 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: should be doing to take care of ourselves as green, 67 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: et cetera. 68 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say eat healthy foods and that's real food. 69 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 4: And at realfood dot Gov, we've laid out what we 70 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: consider to be healthy foods. Things that come from good soil, 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 4: things that are not as chemicalized, meats that come from 72 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: good farming techniques, seafood that comes from healthy waters. If 73 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: we can reduce the overall toxic and chemical exposure, I 74 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: think there's a benefit there in terms of longevity. 75 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: So food safety is a huge priority for this administration 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: and for the MAHA team that you're a part of. 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: What does that look like in terms of policy and practice? 78 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: How are you guys working on that? 79 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, So we're doing a review of all chemicals that 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: appear in the US food supply that do not appear 81 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 4: in the food supply of Europe in other parts of 82 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: the world. Now there's over a thousand chemicals that are 83 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: peer and our food supply that are banned in other 84 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: countries because we've had a regulation called GRASS, which allows 85 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: companies to self declare chemicals as safe without really showing anything. 86 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: GRASS stands for generally recognized as safe. 87 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: It's a rule that. 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 4: Was set up to allow butter and salt to appear 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 4: in the diet without having to go through rigorous testing. 90 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 4: We don't need testing for salt. Salt's been around for 91 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 4: all of mankind, one of the most common elements in 92 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: the world, but it's been overused now and applied to 93 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 4: novel chemicals that have been engineered to make food more 94 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: addictive or engineered to increase the. 95 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: Shelf life of food. So we're doing a review of 96 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 3: all those chemicals. 97 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 4: We are going to close the loophole on the GRASS 98 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 4: rule that allow these chemicals. And the biggest thing is 99 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: not bands or prohibitions, it is educating the public. And 100 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 4: that's what a Secretary Kennedy has done. It'll be one 101 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 4: of his great legacies. 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: So one thing that is interesting is I don't think 103 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: we fully think about what of our food is processed. 104 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: When you're processed food, we don't like it, but it's 105 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: not just candy bars and you know, gumny cheese. It's 106 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: it's other stuff as well. 107 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: What do you feel like are the things that people 108 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 3: are just generally just blind to eating that's unhealthy. 109 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 4: Well, we're coming up with a definition, an official FDA 110 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: definition of what is ultra process and the reason is 111 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 4: is that, look, you can eat whatever you want. 112 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: This is America. You're going to have ding dongs and 113 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: twinkies or whatever else you want. 114 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 4: But when the government is purchasing food, shouldn't we be 115 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 4: purchasing healthier food with US taxpayer dollars And so our 116 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: food pyramid, the new nutrition guidance and our review of 117 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 4: these chemicals is designed to inform procurements. 118 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: We spend four hundred million. 119 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: Dollars a day at the USDA on school lunches and 120 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: other food programs like Snap. 121 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: The military is buying food in bulk for millions of people. 122 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 4: So what we want to do is make those decisions 123 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 4: based on good science, and we want the purchase of 124 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 4: real food, not junk food. 125 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw a video of how to make a cracker, 126 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: type of crackers you get the supermarket, and it's horrified 127 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: the amount of steps that go into making a cracker, 128 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: the amount of ingredients that go into it. 129 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: It just seems like there's so many things where we've 130 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: just been sort of. 131 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: Lulled into a stupor, and a lot of it is 132 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: food pyramid related. This has been something that I've been 133 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: talking about in my broadcast for years. This was the 134 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: original government hoax to me, because it was very clear 135 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: that the food pyramid is making us deeply unhealthy. And 136 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: finally we've ended that please share the thinking. 137 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 4: Well, look, let me tell you what happens when you 138 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: destroy real food and you have now food that's empty, 139 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 4: it's empty of micronutrients, it's chemicalized, it's not even food, 140 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 4: it's sometimes it's just what we call in science food 141 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 4: like substances. And what happens is you eat it, and 142 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: you eat more of it, and you feel full, but 143 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 4: you're not satisfied. 144 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 3: Yes, and then that makes you have the impetus. 145 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: To eat more. 146 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 5: And what do you have? 147 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: Then you have thirty eight percent of teens today have 148 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: diabetes or prediabetes. It's not their fault. Okay, this is 149 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: not a willpower problem. This is what happens when you 150 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: give micro nutrient poor food that's chemicalized, that's got a 151 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: lot of air, and it gives this false per signal 152 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: to the brain. 153 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: That hey, I'm full, but I'm still hungry. 154 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: Is this more of a regulatory lack of regulation or 155 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: do we need new regulation or different regulation because we're 156 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: generally deregulation people at by Bartland, but in this case 157 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: it feels like things have just gotten way off the rails. 158 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 4: I think it's an education issue by and large. Now, 159 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: when the government is buying food, like in the SNAP program, 160 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 4: we should buy food more wisely. And so in the 161 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: Trump administration, for the first time ever, you're seeing SNAP 162 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: dollars go to health your food and not junk food 163 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: because of new waivers. And this is thanks to the 164 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 4: leadership of Secretary Rollinson, where the SNAP programs at the 165 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: state level, administered at state level can have these waivers 166 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: so they don't have to buy sugary drinks with SNAP dollars. 167 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: Number one thing on Snap dollars is sugary drinks, followed 168 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 4: by you know, highly processed junk food. 169 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's interesting because a lot of the sugary 170 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: drink companies you're actually making a lot of zero calorie drinks. 171 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: Be infinitely it's sounds like an infinite improvement for people, 172 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: but people just get hooked on the liquid calories, which 173 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: just seems like it never works out for anyone. 174 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: Well, we want to be able to buy real food. 175 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 4: And if you buy real food, turns out it is 176 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 4: more affordable. 177 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: So if you eat. 178 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: Out for breakfast, let's say you go to fast food 179 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 4: for breakfast, it's going to be. 180 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: Roughly five six seven dollars. 181 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 4: You make two eggs, a little piece of bacon, and 182 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: a piece of toast two dollars and sixty cents about 183 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 4: half the price. Sure, So this is a big theme, 184 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 4: is that real food is healthier, it's going to lower 185 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: healthcare utiles down the road, and it's. 186 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: More affordable in the short term. 187 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 4: And you know, when we think about drugs at the FDA, 188 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 4: we are actually prioritizing drugs that lower downstream healthcare utilization 189 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 4: because we have got to change the focus of our 190 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 4: healthcare system. 191 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: So if a drug. 192 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: Reduces the number of dialysis sessions you need, if it 193 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 4: avoids the need for surgery, if it means you're less 194 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: likely to come to the emergency room in heart failure 195 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: or in the case of one of the powerful cancer drugs, 196 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 4: we're evaluating eliminates the cancer, literally makes it disappear. This 197 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: is not a chemo, This is a drug. This is 198 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 4: a medication. The tumor disappears. This is with some Gi 199 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: tumors that have a certain mutation. It's about five to 200 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 4: ten percent of GI tumors are candidates for this drug. 201 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: And you don't need surgery, chemo, or radiation. 202 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: Now your wife is in this space, I'm sure she's 203 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: familiar with ITPD one inhibitors exciting new class. Why are 204 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: we not rallying around this incredible therapy. If you're at 205 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: the best, you want this to get to your patient. 206 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: So I've got to answer for you, and I think it's 207 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: the coronavirus. 208 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: I think people lost, they lost any trust in the 209 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 2: government to navigate medical crises. And this has been a 210 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: big shame because I've come from a Western medicine background. 211 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: I married and everyone who practices Western medicine, and I 212 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: speak to an audience who's increasingly skeptical of anything that 213 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 2: comes from their doctor, and it's causing a lot of 214 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: tension in the clinics for doctors, and I feel like 215 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: that there is a long way back. I honestly think 216 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: that Secretary Kennedy is a great spokes for this because, 217 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: contrary do I think what people think of him. I 218 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: think he really is a scientific method guy who wants 219 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: to look at ady evidence. But there has been this 220 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: erosion of trust with the medical community. What's the path 221 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 2: back for that? 222 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I couldn't agree with you more 223 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 4: about Secretary of Kennedy. Secretary Kennedy is again making it 224 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 4: okay to ask questions. 225 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: And that's what he's doing a lot of times. 226 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: Now. 227 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 4: We as a medical profession, with all of our might 228 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: and scientific rigor, need to provide good answers for those questions. 229 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: But the questions he's asking, many Americans are asking. 230 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 4: And I couldn't agree with you more that the erosion 231 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: of trust in the medical profession in the Biden administration. 232 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 4: And I'm not this is not a political kind of 233 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 4: calling out of the bid administration. This is data published 234 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 4: in the journal American Medical Association. Trust in doctors and 235 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: hospitals was that seventy one percent in twenty nineteen. 236 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: The year before we came into office. In twenty twenty four, 237 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: it was forty percent. 238 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: Wow, that's a thirty one point drop in trust in 239 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 4: a profession I'm incredibly proud of yes, and so we've 240 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 4: got to rebuild that public trust. So we're doing everything 241 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: we can to move to an age stratified approach with vaccines, 242 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: use common sense, get more drugs approved, talk about food 243 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: and root causes. And that's how we're going to rebuild 244 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 4: public trust, not by censoring Americans. 245 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: So one of the big moments last night, I think 246 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: one of the big moments of the presidents first year, 247 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: most favored nation drug price. This is revolutionary and again 248 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 2: it gets a one thousands of the coverage of you know, 249 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: an activist getting shot in the Minnesota. But this can 250 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: be revolutionary for people. 251 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: Can you describe something to us, Well, first of all, 252 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: ninety five percent of Americans love this reform that President 253 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 4: Trump got done. And that is saying that we're the 254 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 4: largest purchasers of drugs in the world. We deserve the 255 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: best price in the developed world. We don't want a 256 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: price lower than Zimbabwe, right, we want the best price 257 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 4: in the developed world. Why are you going to London 258 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: and buying a drug for one tenth the price. That's 259 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 4: a real example. 260 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: That's what the GLP won. 261 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 4: Well, now we have the lowest price in the developed 262 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 4: world on so many drugs. They're at trump RX and 263 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: Medicare and Medicaid. Now we'll have access to those low 264 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 4: prices for many drugs. 265 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: A few quick ones. You can really generous with your time. Microplastics, 266 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: How concerned are we? 267 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 268 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: They're going up and no one really knows the consequences 269 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 4: of its estrogen binding properties, of its inflammatory characteristics. You know, 270 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 4: things are happening in our society that we don't have 271 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 4: an explanation for. As we watch microplastics level in humans 272 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: go up to the so high, to the point now 273 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: where it's like half of one percent of brain weight 274 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: at somebody at the time of their death. 275 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: So we're concerned. 276 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 4: We want more education on this, and that's why you'll 277 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 4: often see me with a mug or a steel bottle. 278 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what should we be doing in our personal 279 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: life is trying to cut out the exposure of plastics? 280 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: Hot plastic? 281 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 5: Well, what is it? 282 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 283 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 4: I think you know where people get their biggest burden 284 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: of microplastics are with the sort of cheap cups and 285 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 4: plates and silverware and food that comes packaged with microplastics. 286 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: There was a study in the San Francisco area by 287 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 4: some investors They were just curious, how where are the 288 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 4: most common sources of microplastics, and they found that foods 289 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 4: that are prepared with a lot of plastic packaging, or 290 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: where the animals are fed the feed with the plastics 291 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 4: still in the feed, and that's just a lazy way 292 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 4: to feed. 293 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: Animals with the plastics still on the feed. 294 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 4: So those are the sort of sources where people can 295 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 4: educate themselves and do everything. They kind of try to redo. 296 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 4: It's hard, I'll be honest with that. You cannot go 297 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 4: to a microplastic. 298 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: Free living Yeah, interesting was a developing one. We'll have 299 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: to touch base on this one again. Last one is 300 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: just one that's personal to me because I did a 301 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: big I wrote a book on Joe Biden and he 302 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: had a huge crisis with baby formula. 303 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: FDA TOD not regulate that very well. I did not 304 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: see any accountability for that. 305 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: Does that come. 306 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: Across your radar? 307 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: Is there anything being done that Biden's FDA really messed 308 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: up some of the baby formula led you a big crisis, 309 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: big shortage eyed babies at the time. 310 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: It's really hard to get the formula. 311 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: It's ever been any accountability for that. 312 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 4: It was a real tragedy, and the root problem was 313 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: that there was no innovation in the baby formula space, 314 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: so you had really just dominant companies that were controlling 315 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: this marketplace. And the real root issue is that we 316 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 4: have to allow or competition, more innovation, more types of 317 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: baby formula, and have a healthier marketplace than have really 318 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 4: just one company dominate so much of the marketplace, because 319 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 4: when that happens, you have a supply chain that's dependent 320 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 4: on that one company. Why is it you can't buy 321 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 4: baby formulae in the United States without added sugar, or 322 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: you can't find. 323 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: Baby formula United States that doesn't include seed oils. Apparents 324 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: want baby formula. 325 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 4: Without added sugar, without seed oils. So we are changing 326 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 4: the monographs on baby formula to allow for more as 327 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 4: part of operations. His storic speed, We're going to get 328 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: it done and you're going to see more options. 329 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: We're already pretty close. 330 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: I'm having here at FDA Administrator Martin mccerry. Nice to 331 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: meet you in person, Good to be with you. Our 332 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: new guest to the show, Will Tebow is here. He's 333 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: the director of the American Military Project at the Claremont Institute, 334 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: which has done great work for a very long time, 335 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: a lot of longevity over there. Will We thought to 336 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: bring you on because you're an army veteran. And I 337 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: thought that what the President did at the State of 338 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: the Union earlier in the week, I thought he made 339 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: a real point to recognize people who are not household names, 340 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: who are not well known, who are war veterans, for 341 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: both modern and from it feels like ancient times, but 342 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: it's not. But he had the Medal of Honor going 343 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: to the gentleman Royce Williams, who was a World War 344 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: Two but also people who were involved in them at 345 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: Duro raid. I just think that him acknowledging some of 346 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: our war fighters. I don't know why this ground was 347 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: seated by the left to Trump, but it feels like 348 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: something we used to universally agree on was a good 349 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: thing and then now we don't. But it's so important 350 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: we do have a warrior class, and I want to 351 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: get your reaction to that, because it feels essential to 352 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: me to have a country that's driving Alex. 353 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 5: It's such an astute point, and I want to hit 354 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 5: on one thing that you talked about that undergirds a 355 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 5: lot of my work. We have a not just a 356 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 5: warrior class, but a warrior cast. The fraction of the 357 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 5: American population that serves much less the fraction of that 358 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 5: fraction that serves in combat, and then obviously, the fraction 359 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 5: of that fraction that achieves such heroic feats like you know, 360 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 5: like we saw honored on Tuesday night are vanishingly, vanishingly rare. 361 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 5: And that's because the military is an inherently conservative institution. 362 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 5: And I don't mean Republican or part of the GPY, 363 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 5: but I mean the military exists based on hierarchical tendencies, 364 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 5: meaning that the individual sacrifices and subjugates for the greater good, 365 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 5: for the good as the whole, and that is something 366 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 5: foreign to our small l liberal society, and I think 367 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 5: it's something you know, again, I'm not saying that there's scholarly, 368 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 5: you know, evidence back justification for that, but I think 369 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 5: it's something that almost ingratiates and cuts against the grain 370 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 5: of what it means to be a Democrat today. The 371 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 5: Democratic Party is contingent upon the ultimate fulfillment of individual 372 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 5: desire and the government's guarantee of those so called individual rights. 373 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 5: The military is everything opposed to that ethic and that 374 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 5: way of life. It's not to say that everyone should 375 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 5: be in the military, but I don't think it's a 376 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 5: mistake that you find such a spree decorps and such 377 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 5: honor of our nation's heroes during President Trump's State of 378 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 5: the Union, and you understand that it can never happen 379 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 5: under the park the leadership of a Democrat president. 380 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. And a couple of really important things I want 381 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: to expand on in the are that I think that 382 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: Trump was very precise in this, and then him honoring 383 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: Royce Williams World War two AVI eight or one hundred 384 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: years old, I think was that is one type of warfare, 385 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: that is we forgot about this type of warfare because 386 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: we don't have those sort of big world war with 387 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: ground invasions as we've had in the past. Hopefully we 388 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: never do again, but it's important for us not to 389 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: forget that that was within the last century. This is 390 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: not that far off. And then also a honoring Eric Slover, 391 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: who was one of the pilots flying helicopters in the 392 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: Madriro raid just a few weeks ago. And I love 393 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: the air Slover story because he gets shot in the 394 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: leg and the hip and he's bleeding. He didn't even 395 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: know if he's gonna survive, who knows, And he still 396 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: is able to land the helicopter amid enemy gunfire and 397 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: be a part of a crucial mission that could transform 398 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: the whole hemisphere. And you look at the guy and 399 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: he just just looks like a warrior. He's just got 400 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: the jaw line, he looks stoic. He's exactly what you 401 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: would want your child to grow up to be like. 402 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 5: And they just gave us all these guys, they gave 403 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 5: him all. 404 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: They gave us all these people to be on our side, 405 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: and I just I can't believe it, because we want 406 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: them on our team. 407 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 5: Well, right, and we want our team to be the 408 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 5: team that honors and bestows almost gratuitous amounts of praise 409 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 5: and attention on these kinds of Americans. It's it's perfectly 410 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 5: fine as far as I'm concerned for that to happen. 411 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 5: You know, as you probably know Alex Medal, medals of honor. 412 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 5: Obviously some take eighty years and some take five weeks. 413 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 5: But the point, the point I think is that President 414 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 5: Trump is not willing to let bureaucracy get in the 415 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 5: way of honoring an American hero. Uh and and that's 416 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 5: you know, because you and I want to be talking 417 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 5: about Chief Slover's heroism, the fact that he took four 418 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 5: bullets to the leg, landed the helicopter knowing that there's 419 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 5: going to be no other seamless orderly way to get 420 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 5: operators and soldiers off of the objective in Venezuela. I mean, 421 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 5: you know, you cannot script a medal of honor much 422 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 5: better in my opinion. So you know, he may be 423 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 5: maybe there were some bureaucratic steps that President Trump could 424 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 5: have followed, but you don't. You don't adhere to that 425 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 5: bureaucracy and get the chance to honor Chief Slover at 426 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 5: the perfect time for the nation to witness and understand 427 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 5: his heroism. 428 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so, it's so cool, and you think about it? 429 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: Is it. Look, there's a lot of ways to contribute 430 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: in this country. But I don't know why we would 431 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: ignore the warrior class. It's so naive. It's the World 432 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: War two less than one hundred years ago, War One 433 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: just over one hundred years ago. Some of those brutal 434 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: wars in the history of humanity were recent, and for 435 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: us to be so arrogant that we think that it's 436 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: just going to be people with joysticks and drones. It's 437 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 2: the only warfare we're going to have, and you're going 438 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: to be doing it from six thousand miles away. Like, 439 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 2: we can't have that. We need to have a warrior 440 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: class of people. And I can tell you, as I'm 441 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: a father boys, it's the one of them in particular. 442 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: I mean, the guy is a he's a tough kid. 443 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: He wants to be tough, he wants to do tough stuff, 444 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: and I like that. There are these men who are 445 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: examples for him, and they're kind of getting pushed out 446 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: of our culture to some degree. But I think we 447 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: can bring this back because I think in our hearts 448 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: we know that we're drawn to these leaders. We're drawn 449 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: to people who have physical bravery. So my question for 450 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: you is what do we do to encourage that. 451 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 5: It starts with honoring them, It starts with with aligning status, 452 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 5: uh even frankly wealth and position in society with heroism, virtue, 453 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 5: and bravery that that you there. In my mind, there 454 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 5: are a few ways that you can give too much 455 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 5: to a veteran. I'm not trying to be self a 456 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 5: grand as in here as I love it, you know, 457 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 5: but I you know, Present Company excluded, trust me. 458 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 459 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 5: The point is, although the warrior caste is an exclusive, 460 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: very small group, we should still view it as an 461 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 5: elite group. 462 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: Uh. 463 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 5: And this is the trouble I have candidly with the left. 464 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 5: The left wants to do everything possible to break the 465 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 5: warrior caste. They see the fact that you know, the 466 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 5: military has come from frankly, generations of service and not 467 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 5: you know, rarely outside of service members families where there 468 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 5: is a tradition of service. They see that as a 469 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 5: problem to change with gender integration, with expanded diversity recruiting initiatives, 470 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 5: and ultimately with expanded access for illegal immigrants to serve 471 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 5: in the military. Because the left sees this military caste 472 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 5: as a problem. And you know, in my mind, the 473 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 5: military caste, uh. You know, I've been informed by the 474 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 5: work of Samuel P. Huntington, especially his book Soldier in 475 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 5: the State. The warrior caste is a reality throughout history 476 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 5: of societies that have balanced individual rights and democracy with 477 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 5: the and really self government with then the elite professional 478 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 5: military that is charged with executing violence on behalf of 479 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 5: the American interests. That those two things are intention uh. 480 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 5: But there are certain things that cannot happen. A military 481 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 5: cannot be a place for equal opportunity and diversity, you know, 482 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 5: one of those. 483 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: Things where how do we even get this mindset? In general? 484 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: It's like I got I got a bunch of young kids, 485 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: and I tell them all the time, life is not fair. 486 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: It's like, why do we feel like that we need 487 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: it to be that all genders are represented equally in 488 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: the military, and if you're a trans person, it's all equal. 489 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 5: I got to tell you. 490 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: It's the I was a baseball player growing up. The 491 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: six four lefties got six foot kind of skinny, right 492 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: handed hitter. Like, it's the six four lefties got more attention. 493 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: It wasn't fair. It just happens. So the why are 494 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 2: we teaching people that, no, we can even in the military, 495 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: even in military combat, it doesn't matter what you're like 496 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: and what your biology and what your what chemistry's course 497 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: to your veins. Uh, it's all We're all just gonna 498 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: to be equal. It was so stupid, and then we 499 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: did this. So this is where I want to go next. 500 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: Talking about the Department of War. They're touting the historic 501 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: recruiting numbers. How different is it to try to enlist. 502 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: If you've got a Pete hags at At at the 503 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: Department of War and you got Donald Trump in the 504 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: White House versus a Lloyd Austin and Joe Biden, well. 505 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 5: It's exactly the point I was making, Alex. The military 506 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 5: is now seen again as a place where you are 507 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 5: going to have a mission unlike the rest of America. 508 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 5: You're going to have an experience unlike that of the 509 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 5: university system. You're not gonna be in an organization that 510 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 5: functions like a Fortune five hundred boardroom. You're going to 511 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 5: be in a place that is special and unique. You're 512 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 5: going to be in a place probably rarely, you know 513 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 5: out rarely outside of being an NFL quarterback, where you 514 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 5: are pushed to your physical and intellectual and emotional limits 515 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 5: all at once. That's what I always loved about being 516 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 5: in the military, especially in the Army and serving in 517 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 5: the range Regiment, is it forced you to be excellent 518 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 5: in all verticals and it tested you every day. Selection 519 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 5: was every day, as we would say. And I think 520 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 5: Americans want that challenge, and they understand that they are 521 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 5: going to be challenged and that there is going to 522 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 5: be this unique expectation of soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. 523 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 5: And you know, again candidly, what we saw into the 524 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 5: Biden administration and what we had seen for decades I 525 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 5: think before it was that the military was just another 526 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 5: institution of you know, of social and political conditions that 527 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 5: you can find in plenty of other places in America. 528 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 5: So and people didn't want that. 529 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: How much do you think people have How much do 530 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: you think things have changed? Because from my vantage point, 531 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: all I can pick up on is really vibes and 532 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 2: numbers that are put out in press releases. But it 533 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: feels like that that accounts for something. But how much 534 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: progress do you get the impression we made in the 535 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: last year plus under Trump? 536 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 5: I think it's a lot. I mean, you cannot understate 537 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 5: the turnaround of the recruiting numbers. Uh, it was unprecedented 538 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 5: to miss recruiting numbers, recruiting goals again, because we see 539 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 5: the services set goals themselves, it was unprecedented to miss goals, 540 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 5: and the Army and the Navy and the Air Force 541 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 5: at least missed them for three years in a row 542 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: during the Biden administration. If I'm not mistaken, Uh, what 543 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 5: that what I anticipate talking with friends being around the 544 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: military in Washington, d C. Is there is this morale 545 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 5: and a spreed decorp back that that you know, we 546 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 5: can focus on the mission again, you know, we being 547 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: those who are still on active duty, that there's no 548 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 5: more time or room for bs, that warriors are going 549 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 5: to get what they need, and that they're gonna they're 550 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 5: going to be sent on missions that are dangerous. They're 551 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 5: not their lives are not going to be easy, but 552 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 5: they're going to do so when it counts, and they're 553 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 5: going to do so when it serves the American people, 554 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 5: which again, was this another another aspect of trust that 555 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 5: fell apart uh in the preceding, preceding decades. Do you 556 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 5: think we can go. 557 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: Back to where it was? Because sometimes I feel like 558 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: this is the nature of what I'm fighting against every 559 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: day with the Left and is that it feels like 560 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: whenever we make progress it just seems like it can 561 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: be undone so quickly. Is that we have to win 562 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: basically every election or else we risk I guess the 563 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 2: more specific thing is that how much damage was done 564 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 2: during let's just focus on the Biden years. 565 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot. You know, it's not too late, I 566 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 5: will say that. But I think one thing people don't understand, 567 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 5: but it's it's an it's a kind of eventuality that 568 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 5: I think was most consequential in the in this realm 569 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 5: was the effect of race and sext based quotas for 570 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 5: military personnel and programs. You realize that in the second 571 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 5: year the Biden administration, the Pentagon in placed force wide 572 00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 5: for service members and civilians promotion quotas based on either 573 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 5: civilian or service members race or sex. You know, for example, 574 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 5: twenty two percent of DoD civilians at GS fifteen had 575 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 5: to be Hispanic women, just as one example. Those do 576 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 5: have a corrosive effect. The mindset shift has been stark. 577 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 5: But if we just rely on executive orders, you know, 578 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 5: Secretary head seths bold policy changes, those are all things that, 579 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 5: to your point, will be undone day one of a 580 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 5: future administration that's not inclined in the same way. I 581 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 5: think we should take advantage. It's not all about legislation, 582 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 5: but this is a time where you need to take 583 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 5: advantage of our majorities in the Senate and House and 584 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 5: codify so much of this change in law so that 585 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 5: it takes a force of law to undo it, which 586 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 5: which never took place. You know, we've been running sixty 587 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 5: years of executive wor orders and administrative policies that have 588 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 5: undermined the military. Let's now codify the restoration of our 589 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 5: military in law so it doesn't happen again. 590 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to ask a couple of specifics here, 591 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: and you've had some writing on this which I think 592 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: is worth highlighting. But let's talk about women in the military, 593 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: particularly in combat roles. And you're a good person to 594 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: opine on this. Just for me, I try to let 595 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: I'm trying to beat Aukham's razor guy. Try to look 596 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: at things in their simplest forms. Just women biologically tend 597 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: to be physically weaker, but some of them can be brave. 598 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to dismiss it out of hand, but 599 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: is this going? 600 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 3: Well? 601 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: How is it going? There's also the whole point of 602 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: you know, sexual dynamics in a platoon doesn't seem very 603 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: smart to me, But again I haven't been there. 604 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 5: You have. 605 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: How's this experiment going? Is it something that you like? 606 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: It is something we should correct? What do you think? 607 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it's it's it always gets lost in the 608 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 5: fact that you know, it's never meant to denigrate an 609 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 5: individual woman's service or the capacities absolutely or heroism of 610 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 5: a woman who has served in combat. That's not. The 611 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 5: point is to understand if this, if such a policy 612 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 5: that allows women to serve in any unit she wants, 613 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 5: is good for military readiness. And the most important kind 614 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 5: of thing to understand is that until Secretary Hestha's announcement 615 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 5: that he was going to study the effects sex of 616 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 5: sex integration on combat units about a month ago, there 617 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 5: was no examination from the military on the effects of 618 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 5: this policy change since President Obama removed the combat exclusion 619 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 5: policy in twenty fourteen. In the fifteen years preceding that 620 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 5: policy change, however, the industry produced a plethora of studies 621 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 5: that showed vast discrepancies between how combat units perform when 622 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 5: they are sex segregated and when they are sex integrated. 623 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 5: A RAND incorporate a RAND Corporation study that closely examined 624 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 5: Marine Corps units where women were trained like professional athletes 625 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 5: put in these scenarios and on every metric accept creativity, 626 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 5: which is important, but it is just one metric, especially 627 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 5: when you compare it to machine gun marksmanship, timeliness on missions, 628 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 5: medical evacuation. In every metric except one, sex integrated units 629 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 5: performed worse than sex segregated units. Even back as far 630 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 5: as the nineties, you found that sex integration and military units, 631 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 5: even non combat ones, had deleterious effects on unit cohesion. 632 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 5: So you have a lot of evidence that readiness and 633 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 5: job performance at the individual and unit level does suffer. 634 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 5: And that's because the military is unique. The military is 635 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 5: not a law firm or a university class project. It's 636 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 5: a very special place that I think we should would 637 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 5: seek to preserve at least some of it as all male, 638 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 5: because you know, having boys, right, that boys and girls 639 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 5: are different, uh and and such a such. You know, 640 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 5: such units organized organized around that principle function differently. And 641 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 5: it's clear that since President Obama's policy change, it had 642 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 5: become this this kind of reason to be uh to 643 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 5: make sure that women had opportunities because they were women, 644 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 5: uh and it and it really did come to detract 645 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 5: from mission requirements in legitimate merit. The point is, though, 646 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 5: is that even even if you know women met all 647 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 5: the standards, I think it would say something about our 648 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 5: culture that we were so eager to send women to 649 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 5: fight wars on our behalf. 650 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's such a great point, and it's one 651 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: of these things where, of course there were individual exceptions. 652 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: I can't believe you have to say this stuff. I 653 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 2: think I have this debate all the time with immigration. 654 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: It's because I'm very tough on immigration. But I've lots of, 655 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 2: of course, you know, wonderful immigrants in my life. And 656 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: it's the my father in law is an immigrant. It's 657 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: the It's not an individual thing. It's a I'm talking 658 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: to Macro. I'm looking at the forest here, not just 659 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: the trees. So but if you look at the forest here, 660 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 2: it just seems why is a culture do we want 661 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 2: to send the fair Sex to war when we have 662 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: enough man at this moment. I'm not saying forever to 663 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 2: fight the combat wars that we need, and so it 664 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 2: just seems very logical. But I feel like you say 665 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: that and up until it feels like a few months ago, 666 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: you could run the risk of you know, losing every 667 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: corporate sponsor you ever had, be out of a job. 668 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: It's just completely absurd, and that all makes us weaker. 669 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 2: Another thing that obviously makes us weaker is funding the 670 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 2: transit of the military, which we did for a while. 671 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 5: Are we still doing that? And can we get an 672 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 5: update here? No, again, by force of executive order and 673 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 5: an administrative action, we're you know, a soldier, if he 674 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 5: wants to serve, stay in uniform, must exist as his 675 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 5: biological sex, which again is so absurd that you even 676 00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 5: need to say it. 677 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: Why do we have to say this? Because you know, 678 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: and I think the. 679 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 5: Implementation is taking time. Uh Are there are there folks 680 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 5: who have undergone some degree of transition and who are 681 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 5: still in Yes, but you know there is a there 682 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 5: is an understanding that they must abide by the reality 683 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 5: of their biological uh sex. I think what's what's ending, thankfully, 684 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 5: is the military as this safe haven, uh for a 685 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 5: mental illness, as a safe haven for personal fulfillment and identification. 686 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 5: You know, you would have instances I can tell you 687 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 5: from personal experience, where struggle sessions would take place over 688 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 5: one trans service member. Because it is true, this is 689 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 5: a van this is a vanishingly small, you know, proportion 690 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 5: of the military. But it took an outsized, you know, 691 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 5: degree of relevance in order to affirm and provide taxpayer 692 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 5: funded care that was accessible to no other American. In 693 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 5: many ways, the military led the trans integration movement, and 694 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 5: in my view it should always be the opposite. The 695 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,959 Speaker 5: military should never be the leader of social change. 696 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 2: Totally right, very well put will the next one I 697 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: want to get to, and maybe we need to do 698 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: a part two if if we don't have time to 699 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 2: fully answer it. But I've been saying some time earlier 700 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 2: today as we're recording, talking about what's going on with 701 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: AI and the Department of War where there's a standoff 702 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: between Dario Amida's Anthropic and the Department of War. I'm 703 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 2: trying to understand this. I want my audience understand it. 704 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 2: It seems like basically the AI company Anthropic would have 705 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 2: some sort of a kill switch where they could not 706 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: do what's necessary to help our word department, but still 707 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 2: want to cut a deal with us anyway, which seems 708 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 2: completely unworkable. Pete Haggseeth has put his foot down, but 709 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 2: can you give us some more detail on what's going 710 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: on and what you think the outcome could be? 711 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 5: Right, and so, Anthropic, which is the provider of what 712 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 5: many consider to be the best large language model and 713 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 5: the only large language model at least for the time being, 714 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 5: that could function on classified military networks. They had an 715 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 5: internal company policy that they didn't want their software to 716 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 5: be used for domestic surveillance of Americans, one which is 717 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 5: illegal and the military doesn't conduct and even if the 718 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 5: president asked them to, that would not be the military's job. 719 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 5: But again it's illegal. And then second, autonomous, they didn't 720 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 5: want their software to be used for autonomous weapons systems, 721 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 5: which again is not something that the military does. The 722 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 5: military does not take humans out of the loop of 723 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 5: lethal kinetic decision making. And so, in my opinion, Anthropic 724 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 5: used these two principles as red herrings in order to 725 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 5: force a confrontation with the Pentagon, who wanted streamlined access 726 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 5: to a very important aspect of military decision making platforms. 727 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 5: They wanted to they didn't want to, you know, consult 728 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 5: Dario Amide in the middle of a war if he 729 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 5: was comfortable with his software being used for certain certain instances. 730 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 5: You know. In my mind, this begs the question of 731 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 5: what is the role of the military versus a private 732 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 5: company in our political life. Now, the military is accountable 733 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 5: to the electorate through the appointment of Secretary head Seth 734 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 5: and President. In the election of President Trump, a private 735 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 5: company does not get to then produce, you know, oligarchical 736 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 5: layers of oversight on how the military uses the tools 737 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 5: it buys, just based on the company's preference and the 738 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 5: company's policy. If Anthropic wants access to the military market, 739 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 5: then I think they should be willing to let the 740 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 5: military be the judge of one is the appropriate application 741 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 5: of their software, and then let the American people be 742 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 5: the jury into how it's used. I'm sure they would agree, 743 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 5: but they are trying to let their company's constitution override 744 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 5: the American constitution. 745 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it seems like Anthropic is really the only 746 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 2: place that can provide this specific type of AI that 747 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 2: is useful to us, and so at the moment, and 748 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 2: so I don't know if maybe it's if it's another 749 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 2: company can catch up, but it just seems like that 750 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 2: sounds that sounds unrealistic. But the thought that this company 751 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 2: is making demands of the military basically at a moral level, 752 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 2: they're basically moralizing to our military. I just find this 753 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 2: to be so it's sort of frightening to be frank. 754 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 5: Well, exactly, it's it's about the military being able to 755 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 5: being accountable to the American people, and if we're going 756 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 5: to use such important critical software. If the military is, 757 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 5: then it's the military's job to adjudicate right and wrong. Again, 758 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 5: no one's asking the mass surveil Americans. That's not possible. 759 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 5: It's against the law. No one's asking to use unfettered 760 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 5: autonomous weapons. 761 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 3: You know it is. 762 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 5: It is a question of the military having autonomy for 763 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 5: war fighting. We've been through this. Google did this with 764 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 5: a project called Project Maven almost ten years ago. Google 765 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 5: has since regretted that decision, and they'll basically do everything 766 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 5: now to get back in the military's good graces. So 767 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 5: the military is not foreign of this. It's it is 768 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 5: I think this persistent, everlasting tension between Silicon Valley elite 769 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 5: and the US military. 770 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 2: Okay, will Tibo, this is great stuff. Where can people 771 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 2: keep up with what you're doing? You're writing everywhere, So 772 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 2: just tell us what you do to keep up with 773 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: stuff you're thinking about. 774 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm on x at William T. Bow full name 775 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 5: spelled out. Check out the Claremont Instute Center for the Miracle. Well, 776 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 5: we got to spell teab over people. 777 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 2: T h I b e a U. 778 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 3: Not a joke. 779 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 5: Th h I B e a U. 780 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 3: You guys got to get that, not like. 781 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little a little different spelling there, but okay, 782 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 2: so what else we need to know? 783 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it. You know, we have some good work 784 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 5: coming out before the summer. Check out the Clermont Institute 785 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 5: again and stay tuned. 786 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: Well okay, well, make sure to keep me in mind 787 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 2: when you got stuff you want to promote, because I'm 788 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 2: really good to catch up and get that perspective and 789 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 2: you do some great work and happy to showcase some 790 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 2: of it here. All right, that's today's show. Thanks to 791 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 2: Misty for putting this together, and everyone in the audience 792 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 2: hates the producer Greg Evan, and we'll see you all 793 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 2: next time.