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Speaker 1: to the Big Weekend Pod. I'm Hugh Hewett. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening. The weekend is going to be full of

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Speaker 1: speculation about what President Trump did and what he didn't do,

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Speaker 1: why he did what he did, and didn't do what

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Speaker 1: he didn't do, and the fact of the matter is

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Speaker 1: it's all premature, all of it, because we're at the

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Speaker 1: end of the beginning of the showdown with the Mullis.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not a big believer that their regime is

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Speaker 1: going to collapse anytime soon. But I believe it can

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Speaker 1: be cabined. It can be trained not to kill thousands

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Speaker 1: President of the United States, not to engage in the

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Speaker 1: export of terrorism. And the way you train it is

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Speaker 1: the same way you train a vicious dog. And you

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Speaker 1: hit them really, really hard and put down some of

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Speaker 1: them when they've bitten too often. And we know the

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Speaker 1: names and the addresses of most of the people at

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Speaker 1: the top of the regime. It's a vast structure, though,

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Speaker 1: a vast structure of terrorism, the vast structure of repression.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to Haviv Reddick Gore, ask k

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Speaker 1: Ayatolahamini provided by the RGC the besiege, the police in

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Speaker 1: the street, the ordinary cops, and then they imported Taliban,

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Speaker 1: They imported Iraqi militias, people who spoke Arabic not Farsi,

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Speaker 1: to just mow down people. So you can't underestimate what

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Speaker 1: it is that the demonstrators are up against. But the

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Speaker 1: civilized world ought to deliver a message that we will

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Speaker 1: not accept and we will hit you every time you

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Speaker 1: do something like this, even if it doesn't result in

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Speaker 1: regime collapse. But I am not one of those who

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Speaker 1: thinks that the president promised to act Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, which is one of the great beauties of

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Speaker 2: That having been said, other people have different points of

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Speaker 2: view on it. So we turned to The Big Weekend

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Speaker 2: Pod with our regulars Matt Continetti and Ben Dominic and

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Speaker 2: Eli Lake and of course just a little apertif actually

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Speaker 2: non aperteef what do we call it? Dessert douglah Marie,

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Speaker 2: a little warm up on Indiana's a likely crushing defeat

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Speaker 2: in Miami on Monday Night. All that and more coming

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Speaker 2: up on this The Big Weekend Pod. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: tuning in. Quarner Back America.

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Speaker 1: No Weekend in Review show would be complete without Matt Continetti.

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Speaker 1: You can follow him on ex at Continetti, you can

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Speaker 1: read him at the Wall Street Journal. He is the

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Speaker 1: senior scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and Domestic Policy Studies.

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Speaker 1: And I do three segments a week with Matt and

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Speaker 1: if I were a Jeopardy game, this would be the

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Speaker 1: segment called Iran. The segment off air today will be

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Speaker 1: the third segment, let's start with Iran Matt I just

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Speaker 1: talked with Eli Lay. Nobody knows nothing, but what's your

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Speaker 3: Well, I think where we are is the Iranian regime

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Speaker 3: is severely weakened, Hugh. It's lost the legitimacy whatever it

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Speaker 3: Once the people lose fear, the regime is in severe trouble.

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Speaker 4: And so what we're at.

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Speaker 3: Right now is President Trump has said that he's not

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Speaker 4: Heard from other of our allies, and.

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Speaker 3: Also because of actions that the Iranian government has taken

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that the Iranian regime is out

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Speaker 4: Far from it.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think one reason Trump has delayed any

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Speaker 1: I keep saying mac Conna that this is the end

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Speaker 1: of the beginning of the Trump policy towards Iran. The

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what he's going to do. Nothing

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Speaker 3: You never want to draw a red line and then

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has built up American deterrence over the course

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Speaker 4: He's built up our deterrence.

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Speaker 3: So if ultimately that red line is not enforced, that

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Speaker 4: But I don't think we're there yet.

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Speaker 3: I think what Trump has said is he's laid kind

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Speaker 3: But I think he's going to face another crisis down

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Speaker 3: He's not in the regime change business. He's in the

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Speaker 1: So thirty seconds do we go to break matt and

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Speaker 1: turn to Minnesota. Well do you think Prime Minister and

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Speaker 3: It's hard to say, but every time you draw a

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Speaker 3: secondary consequences. And a strike on Iran by the United

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Speaker 3: I think we're at a place, after the Twelve Day War,

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Speaker 3: So it's a moment of preparation. The action may come later.

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Speaker 1: I'm on special Report tonight, and if Minnesota comes up,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to make the obvious point, which I don't

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Speaker 1: know if any many people know. Minnesota is a wash

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Speaker 1: in privately held handguns. It's an open carry state. It's

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Speaker 1: a consailed carry state. The permits are shall issue permits.

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Speaker 1: The ICE agents have every right to be there. The

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Speaker 5: But Boyle boy Is.

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Speaker 1: It's already one dead, and I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: be justified force. But how dangerous a moment is this

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Speaker 3: Well, it's an incredibly dangerous moment for the people in

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Speaker 3: the Twin Cities, and for America's federal law enforcement Agency ICE,

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Speaker 3: this debate, Hugh, you have to step back and ask

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Speaker 3: for this mess we have in Minnesota. I believe it's

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Speaker 3: the elected officials at the local and state level who

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately, no one at the state level is trying

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Speaker 5: I think it'll be an issue in their governor's race

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Speaker 1: But I have heard that Florida has had forty thousand

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Speaker 1: Florida assists ICE in doing their job, and I just

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Speaker 1: wish that point were made more often. I do think

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Speaker 1: it's a political net negative for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: Do you agree with me, Matt?

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Speaker 3: I think that you've definitely seen an uptick in people

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Speaker 4: Who are like, what's going on, but they don't like

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Speaker 3: They get into the kind of that cocoon, that crouch,

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Speaker 4: Make it stop right, yep. But look, you think of

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Speaker 3: In the summer of twenty twenty, amidst all the rioting,

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Speaker 3: What happened in the twenty twenty election. Republicans overperformed. Why

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Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, voters want law

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Speaker 3: and order. They don't want anarchy and violence. And the

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Speaker 3: anarchy and violence that we're seeing in Minnesota right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it might hurt Donald Trump and some of these polls

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Speaker 3: we're looking at, but in the long term. If the

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Speaker 1: Your word, from your lips to the ears of every voter.

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Speaker 6: To see Data has been dealing with us on Greenland.

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Speaker 6: We need Greenland for national security very badly. If we

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump called himself the upgrader.

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Speaker 5: With ice without talking about it. What would your advice be.

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Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: I think that the government can really only accomplish one

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Speaker 4: He doesn't stop.

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Speaker 4: He closed the Southern borders.

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Speaker 3: They need to focus on the economy, but that's just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if we just got everyone else to focus on

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Speaker 2: that would be helpful for Republicans. I think Matt Conney,

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Speaker 2: thank you stay tuned in America or any even Grace

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Speaker 1: The Big Weekend Pod and the Weekend Show underway, Ben

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Speaker 1: Dominance showing us as we do on most Fridays when

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Speaker 1: he's awake. He's got a newborn, so it's all a

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Speaker 7: Up on the late that's deeply unsair you I am.

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Speaker 5: Don't drop the baby. Don't drop the baby, That's all

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Speaker 3: Ben.

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Speaker 1: That means you're up in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 1: so you're caught up on everything that happened with Iran

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Speaker 7: What do you think, Well, personally, I think that the

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Speaker 1: Open question now, Ben Dominic, I didn't begin the segment

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Speaker 7: the same in this situation, I think is a riskier prospect.

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Speaker 7: The other thing to keep in mind is that the

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Speaker 7: president has run up toward something some things like this

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Speaker 7: in the past and then pulled back. He also, you know,

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Speaker 7: has had the potential of pulling back and then pulled

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Speaker 7: the trigger. I mean, you know, you know how quickly

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Speaker 7: we forget the idea that, oh, I'm going to think

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Speaker 7: about it for the next two weeks as it relates

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Speaker 7: to the Iranian nuclear program, you know, And that's the

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Speaker 7: kind of attitude that the president has, and I'm not

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Speaker 7: entirely sure that we can say, as you know, analysts

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Speaker 7: looking at this situation and relying as we do on

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Speaker 7: sources who are both within and around the administration, that

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Speaker 7: this was a situation where that was as imminent as

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Speaker 7: he seemed to indicate. You know, it could be posturing,

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Speaker 7: It could be posturing to effect. But look, this is

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Speaker 7: a scenario where I think a lot of people are

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Speaker 7: very much bullish on the idea that this is a

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Speaker 7: broad based revolt against the regime. It's not just something

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Speaker 7: that is confined to one sector or to one aggrieved part.

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Speaker 7: The inflation concerns, the middle class concerns, or i should say,

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Speaker 7: perhaps the merchant class concerns regarding everything that's going on

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Speaker 7: in the economy, in addition to the opposition generally to

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Speaker 7: the regime's posture towards the West and the and the

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Speaker 7: willingness of this next generation of Iranians to be more

462
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Speaker 7: open to the West is something that is very real

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Speaker 7: and we shouldn't pretend like it isn't. But that doesn't

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Speaker 7: mean that this is going to be a situation where

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Speaker 7: you see, you know, potentially, you know, people who are

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Speaker 7: going to willingly go into exile or or leave the

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Speaker 7: kind of leadership behind. It's also a situation where I

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Speaker 7: think we have to pay a lot of attention to

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Speaker 7: what the IRGC is doing and whether they are going

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Speaker 7: to be, you know, effectuating the kind of killings that

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Speaker 7: we've seen them do just ad nauseum, you know, without

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Speaker 7: any kind of pre prevention. Uh, without you know, any

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Speaker 7: kind of pushback from protesters who are unarmed and who

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Speaker 7: are incapable of defending themselves and unable at this point

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Speaker 7: to get their message out.

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Speaker 1: We haven't not seen anything like this, Ben, and I

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Speaker 1: use my term not seeing anything since Tannaman Square, which

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Speaker 1: we did not see, right, we know what happened, but

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Speaker 1: we did not see it, And we know what happened here,

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Speaker 1: but we did not see it. I'm not sure America

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Speaker 1: ever responded appropriately to Tianeman or or reacted appropriately to

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party thereafter. Do you think that we

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Speaker 1: ought to release whatever video comes out as soon as

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Speaker 1: the Internet opens up, because it will be as yas

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Speaker 1: Realise said, yashare relasaid, there's going to be an avalanche

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Speaker 1: of these videos once they're reconnected.

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Speaker 5: I want them everywhere.

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Speaker 7: I completely agree with that, and I think that it's

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Speaker 7: something that is in the American interest to do so,

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Speaker 7: but also in the interest of the world. One thing

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Speaker 7: that we should understand is how much this is a

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Speaker 7: This is a destabilizing element, you know, not just in

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Speaker 7: terms of American interests in the Middle East or the

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Speaker 7: interests of Israel or the interests of our allies. Is

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Speaker 7: something that I think really reshapes the globe. You have

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Speaker 7: so many connections that Iran has had, and you have

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Speaker 7: this unique moment where it has lost its proxy in Venezuela.

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Speaker 7: It has lost so much support that it can depend upon.

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Speaker 7: In the past, it has had its nuclear programs set

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Speaker 7: back in an embarrassing way. It has had its military

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Speaker 7: proxies across the Middle East set back. And this is truly,

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Speaker 7: I think, a unique moment where something like this might

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Speaker 7: actually work. And you know, look, we're not talking about

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Speaker 7: American and regime change. That is not what we are

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Speaker 7: embarked upon. We are not attempting to remake Iran in

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Speaker 7: any way. This is something that is coming from inside

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Speaker 7: and supporting it from the outside is something that is

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Speaker 7: in America's interest and it is in the interest by

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Speaker 7: the way of a lot of decrepit European powers, whether

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Speaker 7: they want to acknowledge that or not. And that's something

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Speaker 7: that I think has to result in a change in

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Speaker 7: behavior on the part of leadership. And so much of

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Speaker 7: what the President has done in this second term is

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Speaker 7: about breaking open the assumptions on the part of foreign

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Speaker 7: policy bigwigs and experts that have dated back decades about

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Speaker 7: what was possible. And he's done this in so many

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Speaker 7: different regards, and this could be another example of that.

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Speaker 7: It could also be a situation where unfortunately, once again,

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Speaker 7: the brutality of a horrible regime that has subjugated as

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Speaker 7: people and is willing to kill them in the tens

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Speaker 7: of thousands in order to maintain their control is just

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Speaker 7: reasserts itself in a very bloody way.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to talk about decrepit European regime during

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Speaker 1: the break when Denmark and Greenland come up with Ben.

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Speaker 1: But before we go there, we got two minutes.

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Speaker 6: Ben.

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Speaker 1: What about simply saying it not the opportunity, not an excuse,

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Speaker 1: but simply saying there are standards which, if you're not

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Speaker 1: a superpower, will evoke a response from the West. And

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Speaker 1: here's the response. Blow up carg Island, blow up IOGC

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Speaker 1: head quarter. If you do this, this will follow a

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Speaker 1: way of training the regime kind of called it regime coercion,

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Speaker 1: not regime change. Regime coercion. I think that would be

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Speaker 1: good hygiene for the world.

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Speaker 7: I think it would be good hygiene. But I'm not

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Speaker 7: sure the president is willing to roll the dice on

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Speaker 7: that he likes so much, these targeted things where there

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Speaker 7: is a very clear goal point, of very clear progression,

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Speaker 7: and I'm not sure that he's willing to go down

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Speaker 7: this road of picking targets and going after them in

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Speaker 7: such a way. Perhaps he is. That to me would

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Speaker 7: represent a bit of a break with his personality as

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Speaker 7: it relates to these things where he just likes binaries.

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Speaker 7: He likes do does the Iranian nuclear program exist or not?

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Speaker 7: Is Maduro in charge of Venezuela or not? And in

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Speaker 7: the sense of the IRGC, you could you can bomb

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Speaker 7: a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: Certainly that plays why carg Island comes to mind. Is

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Speaker 2: carg Island sending any oil to the world or not?

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's perhaps if you could be convinced

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Speaker 7: that that it's a binary that would result in the change.

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Speaker 7: Then I think perhaps that argument from Bacon that he

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Speaker 7: could work, don't.

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Speaker 5: Go anywhere America.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk with Ben during the break about

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Speaker 2: Greenland and Denmark decrepit here in European Regime column, and

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Speaker 2: then we're coming back and talk about Ice and the

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Speaker 2: brave men and women thereof, and the crazy lunatics who

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Speaker 2: are putting into the Twin Cities no matter.

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Speaker 5: How bold it gets.

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Speaker 1: Stay here, Ben Dominich. I like Denmark. I like the

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Speaker 1: Little Mermaid statue. I think it's quaint. They were alongside

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Speaker 1: of us in Afghanistan for a long time, eighteen thousand

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Speaker 1: deployed there.

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Speaker 5: They have twenty ships.

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Speaker 2: Greenland has got twenty seven thousand miles of coastline, and

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Speaker 2: out from those twenty seven thousand miles of coastline extends

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Speaker 2: an exclusive economic zone of two hundred and thirty miles

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Speaker 2: that they can't protect from even Chinese predatory fishing practices,

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Speaker 2: which are our legend.

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Speaker 5: Do you think people are taking this seriously.

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Speaker 2: Enough, because it's beyond hypersonics and Golden Dome, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of reason to put Greenland under our umbrella.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that people don't really understand this and

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Speaker 7: this is a defect of you know, both American education

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Speaker 7: and the way that people, you know, commit absolute crimes

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Speaker 7: when it comes to the depiction of Trumpian ideas as

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Speaker 7: being high falutin and out of out of the realm

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Speaker 7: of possibility. Is absolutely in the American security interest to

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Speaker 7: have Greenland protected and to have it under our security umbrella,

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Speaker 7: There's no question about it. And I think in anticipation

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Speaker 7: of the kind of conflicts that we could potentially see

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Speaker 7: in the future, it is perhaps essential to that type

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Speaker 7: of protection to have some type of security agreement with

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Speaker 7: the Danes and with and with Greenland would be from

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Speaker 7: my perspective, the ideal, I don't necessary. I don't think

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Speaker 7: that an annexation or anything along those lines is necessary,

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Speaker 7: but I do think that we need to have them,

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Speaker 7: you know, essentially under our overarching umbrella in order to

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Speaker 7: protect them and protect our own security. Understanding that you know,

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Speaker 7: look the climate and uh and what is going to

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Speaker 7: happen in the Arctic Circle in the future. It's going

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Speaker 7: to be one where this becomes all the more important.

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Speaker 7: And the discussion about this has turned into this kind

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Speaker 7: of fanciful late night talk show. They're making fun of

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Speaker 7: everything you know associated with it. I think it's deeply serious.

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Speaker 7: I think it's incredibly important. It's it's as important I

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Speaker 7: would say, it's saying, you know, does Hawaii matter to

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Speaker 7: the United States? Of course, Hawaii matters the United States.

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Speaker 7: You know, the idea that we're not going to have,

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Speaker 7: you know, a projection of the of the well exactly.

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Speaker 7: I mean, this is just like it's madness to pretend

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Speaker 7: like this doesn't matter. It obviously does, and to tend

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Speaker 7: and turn around and turn this into some kind of

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Speaker 7: fanciful discussion is absurd and unseerious. But then I mean

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Speaker 7: we're used to that by maw.

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Speaker 1: Now when you write for the Transfoer or the Spectator,

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Speaker 1: have you written at length about it? Because I don't

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Speaker 1: know that anyone really has written at length about Greenland

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Speaker 1: from a serious standpoint.

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Speaker 7: You know, I've dodged off various things, But you're right,

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Speaker 7: I probably should do something longer. And perhaps I can

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Speaker 7: use that as an excuse for a vacation after the

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Speaker 7: baby is it sticks on, don't take the baby the Greenland.

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Speaker 5: Don't take your wife to Greenland.

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Speaker 7: Oh, this would be this would be an entirely cold

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Speaker 7: escapism on my no.

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Speaker 5: I spent it here in Iceland one weekend. No, don't

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Speaker 5: do that.

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Speaker 2: I'll be right back with Ben Dobbin at Stay Tuned Minneapolis.

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Speaker 5: Our own Greenland is next. Welcome back, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm go Hewett, joined by Ben Dominic, host of the

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Speaker 1: Big Ben podcast, which you got to listen to. I'll

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Speaker 1: be listening to it on my long trundle this weekend.

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Speaker 1: It's Fox Podcast. It's also wherever podcasts are available. Read

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Speaker 1: Ben at the Spectator, where he's an editor at large.

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Speaker 5: Read him at the Transom on substack. Ben.

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Speaker 1: Most people listen to the show know that I came

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Speaker 1: to shot twenty five years ago after a decade of

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Speaker 1: being one of the co hosts of the nightly news

631
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Speaker 1: and public affairs show for the PBS affiliate in LA

632
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Speaker 1: and Casey et and almost weekly and sometimes almost nightly.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about whether or not the use of

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Speaker 1: force by the police of LA or the Sheriff's Department

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Speaker 1: in the County of Los Angeles was appropriate.

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Speaker 7: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was Rodney Kings decade, and so that was every

638
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Speaker 1: night we went through like police chief after police chief

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Speaker 1: after police chief, Gates and Bernie and Willie, they just

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Speaker 1: they kept coming because no one could get it right.

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Speaker 7: Now, Chevy, is hev correct me if I'm wrong? Is

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Speaker 7: he the last president who did the Insurrection Act?

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Speaker 1: I don't know he did do the Insurrection Act for

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Speaker 1: the riots that was my first second month in TV.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, yeah, I think he did. I believe he's

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Speaker 7: the last one to do it, all right, So forgive

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Speaker 7: me for interrupting.

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Speaker 5: No, Well, we take that experience.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm up north where I know Minnesota through

650
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Speaker 1: the State Fair and radio bits with I am twelve

651
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Speaker 1: eighty the Patriot Friends and Minnesota and ice is real.

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Speaker 5: It's real.

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Speaker 2: It's the different place up there, and now it's got this.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't add up that the LA storylines are

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Speaker 1: now suddenly in the Twin Cities. And I put it

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Speaker 1: down to over indexing for buffoonery in leadership.

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Speaker 5: What do you put it down to?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that that is part of it. But

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Speaker 7: I also think, and my friend Ryan Gardeski has pointed

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Speaker 7: out that if you add up, if you tabulate the

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Speaker 7: arrests and deportations from Minnesota over the course of the

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Speaker 7: past year, meaning that the second Trump term, it amounts

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Speaker 7: to approximately, according to estimates, around two percent of the

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Speaker 7: population of illegal immigrants in the state. That may sound

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Speaker 7: small to people, that's actually a huge amount. And I

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Speaker 7: think that what that has done, given that that is

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Speaker 7: an outside number of people who are participants in the

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Speaker 7: democratic side of the politics of the States, it has

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Speaker 7: exacerbated the more extreme elements of the Democratic Party there

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Speaker 7: in ways that are some that have been somewhat unpredictable,

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Speaker 7: but now seem to be consistent with a very violent

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Speaker 7: and I would say more akin to what we are

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Speaker 7: used to seeing in Portland and in Seattle, you know,

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Speaker 7: in the kind of behavior of these Upper Northwest progressive echelons.

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Speaker 7: That's something that we're now seeing in Minnesota to a

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Speaker 7: greater degree. And it doesn't I don't think it's going

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Speaker 7: to stop. I only think it's going to escape.

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Speaker 2: Well, I agree, But here's here's the question that happened.

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Speaker 1: The little bit of Rodney King tape that we had

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Speaker 1: thirty years ago, thirty five years ago, the little bit

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Speaker 1: now it was bad, it was black and white, it

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Speaker 1: was dark at night, and the beating it.

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Speaker 2: We compare that with thirty years later. We have every

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Speaker 2: five different angles on everything that happens.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's different iPhone angle to analyze at links you know,

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Speaker 7: on CNN, et cetera. And that's going to lead inevitably

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Speaker 7: to people having different opinions and different perspectives on things.

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Speaker 7: But one thing that I do think you look, I

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Speaker 7: said that this was a tragedy in part because you know,

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Speaker 7: and I don't I don't say that blaming you know,

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Speaker 7: the ice officer involved, but just because I think that

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Speaker 7: this is something that is inevitably going to happen more frequently,

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Speaker 7: and that leftist people have been infected with this mind

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Speaker 7: virus that says that they need to be, you know,

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Speaker 7: reactionary opponents of law enforcement in the public square. And

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Speaker 7: I follow enough leftists to see this thing playing out

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Speaker 7: on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: Well should they that's the question. Should Ice retreat because

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Speaker 1: what has happened in Minneapolis is now marked as a

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Speaker 1: place for the lunatics to assemble and try to seattle

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Speaker 1: Portland in a new place, and because local government won't

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Speaker 1: help you, you should retreat for a while because it

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Speaker 1: could escalate, it could be become la again.

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Speaker 7: I don't think you can afford to retreat. I think

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Speaker 7: this is too significant of an issue, and I think

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Speaker 7: that it's incumbent upon you, in fact, as law enforcement,

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Speaker 7: as enforcers of our nation's immigration laws, to continue to

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Speaker 7: do so, even in the face of people who are

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Speaker 7: absolutely nuts, and will that lead to pain and to

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Speaker 7: potential more tragedy in the future. It will, but only

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Speaker 7: if these reactionarias continue to make the choices that they

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Speaker 7: are making. But you can't let you cannot allow this

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Speaker 7: to be determined by the people who are willing to

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Speaker 7: run over ICE agents in order to prevent them from

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Speaker 7: doing their jobs.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you saying this, but there is

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Speaker 1: a Heckler's vetail that doesn't exist. But this is an

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Speaker 1: open carry state, it's a concealed carry state. The ICE

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Speaker 1: agents are in real danger from the lunatics and what

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Speaker 1: the is.

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Speaker 7: But I just think I think you that you can't

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Speaker 7: avoid this. This has been a question that has been

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Speaker 7: for time and again. The reason that the left has

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Speaker 7: won on questions like this is because they are willing

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Speaker 7: to be more extreme and to do more violence to

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Speaker 7: people who are just wearing the badge with a flag

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Speaker 7: on their shoulder, just trying to do their jobs. And

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Speaker 7: we can't afford to have that as a nation anymore.

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Speaker 7: And I as a generation, refuse to accept this type

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Speaker 7: of Boomer methodology that says that everything is can't state

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Speaker 7: all over again. This is ridiculous. I mean, we have

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Speaker 7: a we deserve to have a community where laws are enforced,

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Speaker 7: and that is true across the United States of America.

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Speaker 7: And I do not think we should be ashamed to

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Speaker 7: argue for that.

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Speaker 5: I've been hit. I've been hit by the Boom radiology that.

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Speaker 2: They got it down.

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Speaker 7: No, they just want to turn everything into.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: It's true, Gosh, you got me, you wing me with

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Speaker 2: the Boomer stuff. It is true that we are all

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Speaker 2: captives of.

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Speaker 1: The experience that we grow up with and we memorize

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Speaker 1: I memorize Rodney King in the decade thereafter. But if

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Speaker 1: we don't enforce the law, they're just gonna It's like

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Speaker 1: when there was a revival at the Christian College in Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Every revival attracted person across the country went there, so

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Speaker 1: they had to shut it down, which was okay and

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Speaker 1: easy to do because they were evangelical Christian. Here you've

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Speaker 1: got every lunatic in the country going to the twin seenties.

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Speaker 7: It is a flare up in the air for everybody

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Speaker 7: to come. And from my perspective, it's like you can't

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Speaker 7: run away from that, you can't dodge that. Because then

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Speaker 7: the lesson that they take is every time we throw

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Speaker 7: up a flare, we can turn this thing around. We

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Speaker 7: can scare the people we are trying to enforce the law,

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Speaker 7: we can scare the politicians involved. And look, we have

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Speaker 7: a president who's in his second term, he's not running again.

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Speaker 7: He is as invested in this as he is in

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Speaker 7: any other area of domestic policy. And I think this

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Speaker 7: is the moment to lean in and say the law

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Speaker 7: actually matters, It really does, and maybe that's inconvenient for

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Speaker 7: your mindset now, and we don't care.

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Speaker 5: If what stock on ice is here, we're going to

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Speaker 5: break it up.

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Speaker 7: Look, I really I really do think, I really do

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Speaker 7: think that this is a situation where, you know, as

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Speaker 7: much as we can harden the target when it comes

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Speaker 7: to ice, we should be doing so. And that's something

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Speaker 7: that you know, I hope that this administration is doing

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Speaker 7: because they should understand that this is uh, this is

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Speaker 7: the beginning of this, not the end, and it's not

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Speaker 7: going to go away in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Is DHS communicating well, we have forty sevens.

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Speaker 7: I you know what, here's a here's a good answer

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Speaker 7: to that question. I'm efforting Tricia McLaughlin to come back

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Speaker 7: on the next Big Ben show. We can talk about

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Speaker 7: whether they are whether they are delivering that message effective.

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Speaker 2: She's everywhere. I don't know that the point she is

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Speaker 2: making are tight enough.

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Speaker 7: I think I think there there needs to be uh,

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Speaker 7: there needs to be some some support. It's a supporting

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Speaker 7: mechanism because a lot of this she's out there on

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Speaker 7: an island.

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Speaker 5: That's well she is.

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Speaker 2: She is out alone survivor. Yeah, but that means you

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Speaker 2: have to do every show every day and it exact

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Speaker 2: wears on you. Ben Dominis, thank you. Follow him at

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Speaker 2: exit b Dominic and go get the Big Ben podcast.

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Speaker 2: Come right back to the You Do It Show, Morning

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Speaker 2: Glory and even Grace America.

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Speaker 1: What a week of news and what a great place

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Speaker 1: to have John ellis founder and editor in chief of

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Speaker 1: News Items to be at the top of the week

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Speaker 1: in Review because John covers everything that I haven't paid

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Speaker 1: attention to. I've been focused on Iran with like a

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Speaker 1: squirrel over there of Minnesota and a squirrel over there

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Speaker 1: of Greenland And back to Iran John. When I got

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Speaker 1: your show notes for today from news Items, I felt

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Speaker 1: like I had to read the opening one. In my

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Speaker 1: NFL feature films from the sixties, Voice on a BLUs

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Speaker 1: treet November Day, assess the.

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Speaker 2: Turboprop flew over Pennsylvania at five thousand meters in crosswinds

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Speaker 2: of up to seventy nine. It was wonderfully written. Tell

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Speaker 2: people about this the little cessa and could, and why.

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Speaker 5: It was doing what it did.

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Speaker 8: There's a company called Overview Energy, and their mission is

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Speaker 8: to beam electricity from moving aircraft down to receivers on

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Speaker 8: the Earth. And there's an engineering journal that published this

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Speaker 8: story that you just read the lead of that told

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Speaker 8: the tale of basically the oval right flight of Overview Energy.

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Speaker 8: It was flying over Pennsylvania. It successfully beamed electricity down

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Speaker 8: to receivers from the ground from a moving aircraft. And

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Speaker 8: while other companies, and you know, major companies are doing this,

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Speaker 8: this is sort of a little engine that could kind

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Speaker 8: of story, and it is the beginning of what I

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Speaker 8: think will be an enormous industry, which is satellites, drones,

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Speaker 8: moving aircraft of all kinds. It's beaming electricity down from

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Speaker 8: space into receivers on Earth with obviously limitless solar power

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Speaker 8: driving the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, that wasn't obvious to me until I read the story,

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Speaker 1: But now that it's explained to me, if you can

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Speaker 1: get a collector up above the clouds and just take

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Speaker 1: the solar energy direct and beam it down to Earth,

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Speaker 1: that is limitless energy.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 8: And you know, my guess would be that Elon Musk

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Speaker 8: would be the leader in this because he already has, however,

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Speaker 8: many tens of thousands of satellites in the orbit, and

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Speaker 8: he keeps sending up tens of thousands more. So Musk

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Speaker 8: is probably the leader. But I'm sure there are other

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Speaker 8: companies Google and others that are that are looking at this,

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Speaker 8: and obviously, with data centers eating up so much power,

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Speaker 8: it's really important that we find new sources of electricity.

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Speaker 8: And beaming sun powers or power essentially up from space

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Speaker 8: down to Earth would take an enormous pressure off prices

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Speaker 8: of electricity for all of us, and it's something to watch.

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Speaker 5: I have an overview energy.

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Speaker 1: My hat is off to you, and I'll keep my

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Speaker 1: eyes on the sky for assessmas so I don't get sunburned.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the second one which I understood pretty

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Speaker 1: easily because I know about steel dumping from Reagan erad

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Speaker 1: days what the Chinese did. But why don't you explain

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Speaker 1: because I hadn't made the parallel comparison to AI, which

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Speaker 1: of course makes sense to me.

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Speaker 8: Again, Well, the steel thing, as you know, the China

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Speaker 8: generated massive overcapacity and steel output and then they dumped

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Speaker 8: it onto the market, and the point of that was

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Speaker 8: to put American steel industry and other steel industries out

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Speaker 8: of business, essentially make it prohibitive for them for US

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Speaker 8: steel and others to be successful. And of course, and

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Speaker 8: that they're followed steel plant after steel plant folding in

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Speaker 8: the US. The concerning is that they were going to

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Speaker 8: do the same thing with AI. That they have AI

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Speaker 8: platforms that aren't quite as sophisticated as the ones that

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Speaker 8: the US has developed, but they're close enough for government work,

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Speaker 8: if you will, and all sorts of companies will use

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Speaker 8: them because they'll be cheaper, and China will price them

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Speaker 8: much much cheaper than what the US companies will will charge,

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Speaker 8: and so by undercutting them on price, they will make

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Speaker 8: all of this investment that the US tech companies have

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Speaker 8: made into server farms and data servers. They will, they

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Speaker 8: will cut their knees off. Essentially, Well, yeah, I live.

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Speaker 5: I lived with John.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Warren, Ohio in the heart of

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Speaker 1: the Steel Valley, and first United Steel went down, and

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Speaker 1: then Republic and then copper Weld, and they kept going

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Speaker 1: until it was a steel desert. They were all closed.

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Speaker 1: All the sites are still there. A couple of special

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Speaker 1: these deals are back. But when it hits, it hits

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Speaker 1: you very very quickly, and all of a sudden, an

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Speaker 1: industry that was driving the whole economy and part of

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Speaker 1: the state and Pennsylvania as well, is gone.

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Speaker 2: So do the AI barons realize that there's.

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Speaker 1: A wolf at the door. I think you froze John

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Speaker 1: as the wolf was at the door. It so I

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Speaker 1: can go back and do my NFL voice again while

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Speaker 1: we wait for John to come back, because that really

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Speaker 1: did read like an NFL. You got to remember forty

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Speaker 1: for sixty with Joe Minnesota Vikings. Oh it Shoe's last name,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings quarterback. When he comes back on We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about this because I'm going to read it

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Speaker 1: to you what he had to say. Chinese AI startup

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Speaker 1: Deep Seek is expected to launch its next generation AI

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Speaker 1: model that features too strong that features strong coding capabilities

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Speaker 1: in coming weeks. According to two people with direct knowledge

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Speaker 1: of the plan, the new model, the V four, is

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Speaker 1: a successor to the V three model deep Seek released

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Speaker 1: in December twenty twenty four. Initial tests done by deep

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Speaker 1: Seek employees based on the company internal benchmarks, showed that

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Speaker 1: it outperformed existing models such as Anthropics claude An Open

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Speaker 1: AI's GPT series encoding. Two people said, so if they

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Speaker 1: do to AI what China did, China does to AI.

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Speaker 1: What China did is steal the AI barons. Oh you're back, John.

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Speaker 1: So do the AI barons know that the Chinese wolf is.

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Speaker 5: At the door?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, No, Microsoft, you know, made a big announcement

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Speaker 8: about it this past week.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 8: And you know, the fight of the competition, the space race,

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Speaker 8: if you will, between Chinese and US tech companies to

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Speaker 8: you know, develop the best AI. UH makes everyone enormously

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Speaker 8: nervous because so much money is being expended and if

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Speaker 8: that investment is stranded, Uh, the disaster follows.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, and you sent me later in the day.

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Speaker 1: One of the famed UH forecasts put out a pretty

907
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Speaker 1: good forecast based on AI investment. But that's counterintuitive given

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Speaker 1: what you just told me, and the AI bubble.

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Speaker 5: Is of concern. Do you think the economists for being

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Speaker 5: factored this into his forecast at four percent plus GDP growth,

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Speaker 5: even with the drags of terrorists and everything else.

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Speaker 8: I think I think he's assuming that it will work out.

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Speaker 8: So if you do assume that it will work out,

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Speaker 8: and that the US tech companies are clever and adaptive

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Speaker 8: and you know it can figure out a way to

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Speaker 8: avoid the full in well did it again, then then

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Speaker 8: the process is, you know positive. Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: Let's merge the last two together, because I think they

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Speaker 1: explain a lot. One is all time record high of

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Speaker 1: US adults register at independent forty five percent, and the

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Speaker 1: NEA has come out with a crazy identitarian driven grammar book,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons that Democrats

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Speaker 1: can't grow, is that they've gone over the left edge.

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Speaker 1: Not sure about the Republicans. What do you think about

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Speaker 1: those two together? John ellis.

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Speaker 5: Well my podcast.

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Speaker 8: My occasional podcast partner Joe Klein wrote a great column

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Speaker 8: this week, and when he talked about the identity politics

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Speaker 8: of Democrats, of the Democrats and how it will always

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Speaker 8: prevent them from being successful. And it goes back to

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Speaker 8: what I think is the most important advertisement of the

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty four campaign, which is the Trump campaign ad

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Speaker 8: that said, Kamala Harris, she's for them, Donald Trump, He's

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Speaker 8: for you. That sort of perfectly captured all of the

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Speaker 8: problems that the Democrats have, and it's one reason why

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Speaker 8: the party I d amongst the electorate for Democrats has

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Speaker 8: declined so dramatically.

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Speaker 1: Did you and Joe get you how the Minnesota story

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Speaker 1: is going to impact, if at all, because I have

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Speaker 1: concerned as hurting Republicans. Those concerns were in the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal today. On the other hand, a lot of

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Speaker 1: Maga Republicans say, no, that's actually Minnesota buffoonery over indexing

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Speaker 1: for blue cities and blue states, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: help us.

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Speaker 8: What do you think, I think it hurts the Trump

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Speaker 8: you know, Trump White House. I think that the video

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Speaker 8: is you know, for a lot of people, is really

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Speaker 8: really troubling, and it's particularly troubling I think amongst the

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Speaker 8: independent voters. And in order to be successful in the

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Speaker 8: midterm elections, Republicans are going to have to do very

951
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Speaker 8: very well among independent voters. So I think net net

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Speaker 8: it's a negative or team goop.

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Speaker 5: So the Independent.

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Speaker 1: Is it fair to say they were very concerned about

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Speaker 1: an open border and they're also very concerned about over

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Speaker 1: zealous ICE agents.

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Speaker 5: Is that a fair summary?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that the.

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Speaker 8: Concern about the border was not universal, that the large

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Speaker 8: majorities were concerned about the Biden administration's essentially open border policy,

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Speaker 8: and part of that was the ventinal crisis that had

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Speaker 8: done so much damage. But this ICE action in Minneapolis

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Speaker 8: has been I think detrimental to the Republican comes always.

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Speaker 5: Good to talk with John Ellis.

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Speaker 2: News Items is the only newsletter you need every morning

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Speaker 2: Monday through Friday, and once on the weekends. Look up

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Speaker 2: News Items John Ellis, It's on.

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Speaker 5: Substat Thank you, John. I'll be right back America with

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Speaker 5: Eli La.

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Speaker 4: I need to hear at show.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 10: President Trump has been clear he will not, nor should

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Speaker 10: the international community, tolerate innocence being slaughtered in the streets

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Speaker 10: since nineteen seventy nine. For decades, the regime has posed

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Speaker 10: a threat to peace and security in the name of

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Speaker 10: religious ideology. The regime calls for death to America and

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Speaker 10: the annihilation of it.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: That was Ambassador Michael Waltz, the Ambassador of the United

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Speaker 1: States the United Nations. I am joined now by Eli Lake.

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Speaker 1: Eli is the host of the Breaking History podcast. He

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Speaker 1: is a contributor to the Free Press. This week he

984
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Speaker 1: was on a commentary podcast that was very informative, and

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Speaker 1: he is one of a handful of people that I

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Speaker 1: actually call expert on the Islamic Republic of Iran. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to ask you a question, Eli,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the floor to tell the

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Speaker 1: audience as the weekend, a watchful weekend begins, what ought

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Speaker 1: they to be looking for and thinking about?

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Speaker 11: Well, I keep want to cut back to something, which

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Speaker 11: is that, first of all, I don't know that the

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Speaker 11: regime has days after that there will be a dramatic

994
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Speaker 11: moment over the weekend or next week, but I do

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Speaker 11: think that we're in the beginning of the end.

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Speaker 4: It's not entirely.

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Speaker 11: Applicable as an analogy, but it's important to remember the

998
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Speaker 11: Islamic Revolution that resulted in the current Islamic Republic of

999
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Speaker 11: Iran really begins on January Tewod nineteen seventy eight, and

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Speaker 11: it is a full year until the Shah leaves and

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Speaker 11: then Homini comes and returns to Iran sadly, So I

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Speaker 11: would not think about this in terms of the next

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Speaker 11: few days and in our incredibly short attention span right

1004
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Speaker 11: now we have a sort of geopolitical attention deficit disorder.

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Speaker 11: I think that there's no coming back from it. You're right,

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Speaker 11: you're right, yeah, right, And I just don't think. And

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Speaker 11: I would say that all the things that came out

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Speaker 11: in the last week, and there's so much news it's

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Speaker 11: worth looking at. It's in Farsi, but there's their translation.

1010
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Speaker 11: It's making the rounds. You can see it everywhere. But

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Speaker 11: it's a woman calls into an overseas kind of chat

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Speaker 11: show that is a run by members of the run

1013
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Speaker 11: in Daspra. She I think credibly claims that she is

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Speaker 11: the daughter of a senior Revolutionary Guard core commander.

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Speaker 4: You can tell that she is on the brink.

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Speaker 11: She's asking for information to get to the Hague or

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Speaker 11: to have somebody arrest.

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Speaker 4: Or kill her father.

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Speaker 5: That is how serious it is.

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Speaker 11: And then she goes on to describe what they are

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Speaker 11: doing to people who have been caught protesting. She describes

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Speaker 11: what was done to her and her friends when they protested.

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Speaker 11: The last big time you saw these national uprising with

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Speaker 11: the Women Life Freedom Movement, and it's really disturbing because

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Speaker 11: this is obviously a family.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know, I got to ask you about that

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Speaker 1: because I have to remember that in every one of them,

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Speaker 1: I did see that. I did listen to it the

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Speaker 1: entire subtext. It was in Farsi, and I had to

1030
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Speaker 1: read the subtitle, but I did not repost it because

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Speaker 1: with AI and with expatriot diaspora polemics, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: if I could trust it because it's so disturbing. If

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Speaker 1: it's true, it's the daughter of a IRGC commander who

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Speaker 1: had her beaten and I had to watch people get shot.

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Speaker 5: If it's true, it's horrific. How did you judge it credible?

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Speaker 11: I judge it credible because I've heard similar kinds of

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Speaker 11: things really for the last twenty years, which is that

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Speaker 11: these internal families divides that oftentimes the children of particularly

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Speaker 11: elites in the IRGC the Revolutionary Guard Corps have been

1040
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Speaker 11: caught up.

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Speaker 4: And you've seen versions of this.

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Speaker 11: I mean, former President's daughters were we're protesting in two

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Speaker 11: thousand and nine, and so it rang true to me

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Speaker 11: in that respect, I felt like you could even though

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Speaker 11: I don't speak fluent, I don't speak Farsi, but her

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Speaker 11: emotional trauma sounded real. It sounded like somebody who had was,

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Speaker 11: you know, kind of experiencing a kind of break and

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Speaker 11: her conscience could no longer allow her. Or really, I mean,

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Speaker 11: it's again, it's tragic. You're rivet to not trust things.

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Speaker 11: It's riveting. But I bring it up not because right,

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Speaker 11: you're right that it's impossible to verify these things. I

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Speaker 11: bring it up though, because I think that's a real

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Speaker 11: dynamic that's going on. So when we're trying to understand

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Speaker 11: how long the regime will last, you have to remember

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Speaker 11: every single one of these thugs that sit atop this

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Speaker 11: kind of hierarchy of oppression has a family, and they

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Speaker 11: have neighbors, and they have friends who themselves are probably

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Speaker 11: they know they hate them. So I just I just

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Speaker 11: bring that up because I think it's something that's a

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Speaker 11: very real dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Well, it rings a bill for me that during the

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Speaker 1: Iraq in the Afghan Wars, whenever we would kill someone,

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Speaker 1: the Left would say, if you kill someone, you create

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Speaker 1: four or five new insurgents.

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Speaker 5: And I always thought not if it was a bad guy.

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Speaker 1: I do believe if you execute a civilian marching in

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Speaker 1: the streets with a machine gun or a gun to that,

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Speaker 1: I do believe that their family is forever anti regime

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Speaker 1: and that is a cumulative.

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Speaker 5: Trauma on Iran.

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Speaker 1: Now, I've been calling this week the end of the beginning,

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Speaker 1: which I thought started in June with Operation mid Night Hammer.

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Speaker 1: Whatever Trump does now will be the exclamation point. And

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Speaker 1: I give him weeks, if not two months, to actually

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Speaker 1: follow through on the threat, because those tens of thousands

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Speaker 1: of people who are arrested, they're still an Irvin prison

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Speaker 1: and everywhere else in Tehran that they imprisoned dissidentce yep.

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Speaker 1: So are you ruling out Trump doing anything this weekend

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Speaker 1: or next weekend or next month.

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Speaker 11: Well, I mean, if you're going to read the tea

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Speaker 11: leaves that he posted a couple hours ago that he

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Speaker 11: thanked the regime for canceling, what do you say? It's

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Speaker 11: something eight very high number of eight hundred executions have

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Speaker 11: I don't know if that number is correct. It's certainly

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Speaker 11: true that they postponed some executions. At the same time,

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Speaker 11: I would like to see some non kinetic options deployed.

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Speaker 11: We know that the regime is sending their mouthpieces on

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Speaker 11: international media. Let's take down their internet. Let's make sure

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Speaker 11: that we flood Iran with the starlink based stations. Let's

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Speaker 11: start publicizing the accounts of regime elites and then freezing

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Speaker 11: those accounts.

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Speaker 5: Well, what about the medium and make them a conetic.

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Speaker 1: They've murdered six thousand people if I used the mean right,

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Speaker 1: six thousand people? Ought we not to say every time

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Speaker 1: you do this, we're going to do at least this,

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Speaker 1: and yes the cyber yes, the not gonna and then

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Speaker 1: blow up carg Island or take out some missile.

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Speaker 2: I know that there's a second or consequence to Israel,

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Speaker 2: which does give me pause. But ought they not to

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Speaker 2: receive some kind of a message from the world that

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Speaker 2: they can't act?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, savages.

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Speaker 11: Every province has an i ergy and BESIEG headquarters building

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Speaker 11: top of the list. You could we could wipe them

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Speaker 11: out in a couple hours. What do you think that

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Speaker 11: that would send a huge message?

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Speaker 1: And every time they do something yet we see what

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Speaker 1: do you do you think Israel is at risk if

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Speaker 1: we do that.

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Speaker 11: I think that Israel has I think there's a potential again,

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Speaker 11: we could see barrages of ballistic missiles and Israel doesn't

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Speaker 11: have them the air defense to take care of that,

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Speaker 11: and then yes, there could be some risk there. My

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Speaker 11: sense is that the Israelis would take the uncertainty and

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Speaker 11: the damage of a kind of last flail of the

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Speaker 11: Iranian regime if it helped hasten its collapse.

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Speaker 4: And I hope, I hope we're.

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Speaker 11: Seeing that, and I do think that we're I think

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Speaker 11: it's a good way to put at the beginning of

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Speaker 11: the end.

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Speaker 1: I hope that you will continue to show up on

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Speaker 1: commentary and write for the Free Press, Eli and maybe

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Speaker 1: do a new Breaking history on regime collapse.

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Speaker 2: There's regime change, there's regime evolution, which is.

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Speaker 1: Venezuela, and then there's regime collapse, which is what we

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Speaker 1: want to see in Iran. Eli Lake can be followed

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Speaker 1: on ex at Eli Lake and at the Breaking History

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Speaker 1: podcast and at the Free Press.

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Speaker 5: Stay tuned. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh hewittt.

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Speaker 1: It is the end of the college football season. On

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Speaker 1: Monday night, Doug lay Maries is here for the Friday

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Speaker 1: Football Forecast. Most Fridays during the college football season. Doug,

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Speaker 1: Who's the co host of the Bill and Doug Show.

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Speaker 1: Bill anddougosu dot substack dot com joins me and Doug.

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Speaker 1: I have got my Indiana University tie here, which I'll

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Speaker 1: be wearing on Special Report tonight because I got a

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Speaker 1: root for the Big Ten team.

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Speaker 5: What do you think what's going to be Monday Night?

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 12: So Bill and I did our picks today and we

1140
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 12: are divergent here. I really think Indiana is going to

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Speaker 12: finish the thing off you. I really think that Indiana

1142
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 12: is a more complete team and the idea of three

1143
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Speaker 12: straight Big Ten champs Michigan, Ohio State, Indiana, it's a

1144
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Speaker 12: new era in college football. Indiana is favored by eight

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 12: and a half in this game against Miami.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 12: Miami's kind of new too. They haven't won a national

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Speaker 12: title since two thousand and one, and we all remember

1149
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 12: that you once upon a time, they were a dominant

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Speaker 12: force in college football. It's great to have him back,

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Speaker 12: but Indiana's never been in a spot like this, and

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Speaker 12: I like that who's your chances Monday Night?

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Speaker 1: I read a long take from ESPN that they're the

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Speaker 1: older of the two clubs and that Kurt Signetti has

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Speaker 1: certain metrics that he looks for like the guardrails the

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01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: Browns use, which haven't really work.

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Speaker 5: Where's the coaching edge in this matchup, Doug Marie.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, kurtzigneity is a coaching monster.

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01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 7: Like it.

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Speaker 12: I don't know that we've seen you. Just look for

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Speaker 12: comparisons on this what he's done. I think you have

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Speaker 12: to give him the edge. But one of the interesting

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Speaker 12: things here is Corey Heatherman, who's the defensive coordinator at Miami,

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Speaker 12: and certainly Mario CHRISTENP. Ball is the head coach of

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Speaker 12: Miami like a loyal hurricane, and to bring them back

1166
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Speaker 12: after two decades does a great job by Mario Christi Ball.

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Speaker 12: But Corey Heatherman the defensive coordinator for Miami. They hired

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Speaker 12: him from Minnesota, but he once upon a time was

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Speaker 12: the defensive coordinator for Kurt Signetti at James Madison.

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Speaker 4: So this is what it's like.

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Speaker 12: It's like a spy novel. You if you are trying

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Speaker 12: to take down Kurt Signetti, what would you do? You'd

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Speaker 12: want somebody who'd been on the inside. And Miami's defensive

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Speaker 12: coordinator worked for two years for Kurt Signetti, so he

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Speaker 12: knows what Kurt Signetti likes to do. He and the

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Speaker 12: Indiana defensive coordinator right now, Brian Haynes, are very good friends.

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Speaker 12: They're both up for the award for the Best Assistant

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Speaker 12: Coaching College Football. So Corey Heatherman for Miami has an

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Speaker 12: idea of how these Signetti Indiana guys think, and it's like.

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Speaker 4: Could that matter?

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Speaker 12: I don't know if anybody can beat Kurt Signetti, but

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Speaker 12: you want to think like him if you're going to try.

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Speaker 7: To beat him.

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Speaker 5: Now, Doak?

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Speaker 2: I got two questions I got to get in a

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Speaker 2: short period of time.

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Speaker 5: One in the off season.

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Speaker 1: I hope the Bill and Doug Show is going to

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Speaker 1: continue on as often a basis as it has been

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Speaker 1: because I've become kind of addicted.

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Speaker 5: Is that going to happen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: But football, come on, Hugh, ball is three sixty five, man,

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Speaker 12: This football never sleeps. We're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 4: We got plenty to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's because the game has changed so much. Which

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Speaker 1: brings me to mister Mendoza. I also read a profile

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Speaker 1: of him. He's a little bit otherworldly. He's almost too perfect.

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Speaker 1: You want your daughter to marry him? Kind of perfect?

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Speaker 5: Is he for real?

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Speaker 10: It is?

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Speaker 4: I think he is for real?

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Speaker 12: And sometimes you got to be honest. Sometimes when a

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01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 12: guy's so nice, it's like, is that what you want

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01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 12: from a football player? Football player should have an edge.

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Speaker 12: Football players got to be a little crazy. But like

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Speaker 12: Fernanda Mendoza is this guy, but he also balls out

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01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 12: and so sometimes those are my favorite guys that you

1210
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,959
Speaker 12: could have a like a philosophical conversation off the field

1211
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 12: and then when he gets on the field. He took

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01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 12: a hit in the in the first play of the

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Speaker 12: Big Ten title game against Ohio State. I thought he

1214
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 12: was out. Yes, he was knocked on his face. I

1215
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 12: thought I thought they would take him out on a stretcher,

1216
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 12: and he got up, missed one play and came back in.

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Speaker 12: So I do think he's for real. He's a different

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 12: kind of guy, but his teammates rally around him, and

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Speaker 12: Hugh we've seen different personalities from quarterbacks. If your teammates

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01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 12: love you, however you do it. If your teammates love

1221
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 12: you and you put your yourself on the line for

1222
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 12: your team, you're in a pretty good spot.

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Speaker 4: As a QB.

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Speaker 1: All right now, Doug is picking Indiana for Monday Night,

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Speaker 1: and I want to ask you the second question. Dante

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Speaker 1: Mori is going back to the Ducks, and that means

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Speaker 1: the Jets are screwed and they get the second pick.

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Speaker 1: And Dane Brugler, Warren Ohio born and Raige and still

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Speaker 1: working out of Warren, Ohio, has projected Arville Reese number

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Speaker 1: two to the Jets.

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Speaker 5: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, so, I mean there might be four or

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01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 12: four or five o'high state guys in the top twenty

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01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 12: of this draft. You so like Rvel Reeves. It's sort

1235
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Speaker 12: of this modern era. He's a Micah Parsons potentially type

1236
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 12: of player, which we know how impactful he was for Dallas,

1237
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 12: got traded to Green Bay this year. You can be

1238
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 12: a linebacker, but then you can also rush the passer

1239
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 12: and get up on the edge. This versatility can really matter.

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Speaker 12: It's hard, Hugh, because again you look at it from

1241
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 12: a Browns perspective. Great, you have all Miles Garrett. What

1242
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 12: better player could you have the Miles Garrett? But you

1243
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 12: don't have quarterbacks. You're not going to win. So like,

1244
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 12: if you don't have a quarterback, you're still not going

1245
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 12: to get over the top. But you want to build

1246
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 12: up and fortify your team around it. Rvel Reeves from

1247
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 12: the same kind of lineage high school is Troy Smith,

1248
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 12: the Heisman Trophy winner, Ted gen Junior. These great guys

1249
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 12: who have come through Glenville High School in Cleveland. Tremendous player,

1250
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 12: great young man, and I'd take him. But just if

1251
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 12: you're the Jets, you still got to find a quarterback somewhere.

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Speaker 2: So did Bill Landis pick Miami because of their remarkable

1253
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: defensive line crushing mister Mendoza.

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Speaker 5: Is that why he went that way in part, but.

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Speaker 12: Also their offensive line and the way that they have

1256
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 12: a big thing. They're big and physical on both sides

1257
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 12: of the line for Miami, and the way that Miami

1258
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 12: ran the ball against Ohio State four yards, five yards,

1259
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 12: six yards, like not necessarily explosive, but reliable. They have

1260
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 12: the really big tackles, all acc guard like they're they're

1261
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 12: old and big, and so Indiana's defensive front is really good.

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01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 12: They do a lot of their best work kind of

1263
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 12: with different looks and like keeping you off balance. I

1264
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 12: think Bill thinks that maybe Miami can just hold the

1265
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 12: ball consistently, run it, keep Fernanda Mendoza off the field,

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Speaker 12: and that's Miami's prescription for victory. I picked Indiana fifty

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Speaker 12: six fourteen, So I don't think it's going to be

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Speaker 12: that I got a blowout blowout?

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Speaker 5: What is the over under on the Las Vegas line?

1270
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 5: Is it that's way about.

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Speaker 12: That forty five or something. I will say Indiana has

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 12: scored exactly fifty six four times already this year and

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 12: they have another one of fifty five, So like we're

1274
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 12: we're right in that zone eight touchdown. That doesn't seem

1275
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 12: so hard, right, like you?

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01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: Is it good or bad that the two finalists are

1277
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: the two teams that beat the Buck guys?

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01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 5: Do we console ourselves? We Buckeye few, we happy few

1279
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 5: over the winter with that? Or is it a point

1280
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 5: of pain.

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Speaker 12: I've been trying I would I've tried that with Ohio

1282
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 12: State fans like this is. I think Ohio State probably

1283
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 12: will finish number three in the final polls, even though

1284
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 12: they lost in the quarterfinals, because they were number two

1285
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 12: and the two teams they lost to are planned for

1286
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 12: the title. But I think for a lot of Ohio

1287
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 12: State fans, especially because the Indiana and Miami losses were

1288
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 12: kind of right there for the Buck guys. Knowing that

1289
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 12: just makes you think, oh, we were right there on

1290
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 12: the air, and it did make it happen, So Ohio

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01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 12: State fans are not soothed by that few unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Doug lagh Marie, Bill and Doug Osu dot

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Speaker 2: substack dot com.

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01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 5: We'll check in during the off season.

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Speaker 2: College football is only six months away. Bill and Doug

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Speaker 2: Osu dot substat dot com. Face here in America.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 2: I'm you Hewett, Go Hoosiers on Monday Night.

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Speaker 5: I'll be wearing my Eyeu tie tonight.

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Speaker 1: Joe Tarzana, Joe I'm sure is rooting for the Hoosiers

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: on Monday Night and for the University of Sewing dot

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01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: com that made that tie possible.

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Speaker 13: It's lovely, lovely, but we have some housekeeping to do.

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Speaker 13: You you know the I want a poem button we've

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Speaker 13: been talking. Yes, well, it was broken for the last

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 13: two weeks. Oh, like the Chalice from the Palace. The

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 13: I want a poem button was broken, but my good

1308
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 13: friends at greenhn Interactive dot com put it back together

1309
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 13: for me. So if you sent me and I Want

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01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 13: a poem in the last two weeks and you haven't

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01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 13: heard from me, it's not because I'm on vacation.

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 9: It's because I didn't get it, so please send it again.

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01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 5: Thanks, goodness, goodness, and you.

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01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 9: I've written a.

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01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 13: Poem called Eric the red me meets Donald Range. But

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01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 13: but you know the story about the shoemaker's wife. She

1317
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 13: goes barefoot. Yes, well, the the poet's wife. The poet's

1318
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 13: wife doesn't get enough poetry, okay, and it's tantalizing. Tarzana

1319
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 13: Johanna's birthday a significant birthday, and so.

1320
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 9: If you will indulge me, I've written a love lyric.

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 13: I've written a love lyric that maybe some you, you

1322
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 13: a listener, can set to music and it goes something,

1323
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 13: but only something like this. You've taught me everything I

1324
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 13: know about the things that make love grow, and every

1325
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 13: day your words reveal the precious thing that lovers feel.

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 13: We've had so much time together, you would think i'd

1327
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 13: know the way to tell you what your friendship means

1328
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 13: to me, and to find the words to say. But

1329
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 13: although I live in language, when you appear, my tongue

1330
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 13: is tied. I need another chance to show you. After

1331
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 13: all the words I've tried, so teach me how to

1332
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 13: say I love you, so you hear it a new way.

1333
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 13: Teach me how to say I love you though you

1334
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 13: hear it every day. Help me understand the feeling, help

1335
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 13: me share the feeling too. Teach me how to say

1336
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 13: I love you for without a doubt.

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01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 9: I do, I do, I do. Happy Birthday Tarzana Johanna

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01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 9: from Tarzana Joe.

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01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 2: And Happy Birthday Tarzana Johanna from Hugh and Generallysimo and

1340
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: Duane and Harley, because we actually know she makes you possible.

1341
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 4: Joe was awful, Joe. How is any guy got to

1342
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 4: compete with that?

1343
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 5: I know it's really bad. If you hear that every

1344
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 5: single married man hates.

1345
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 4: You, right, yes, every married man at all.

1346
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 13: Now we just now that the I want a poem

1347
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 13: button is fixed. If you want that, just touch I

1348
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 13: want a poem and I will.

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01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 5: Write that for you. Okay, you know, Joe.

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01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 2: If it doesn't work again, people are gonna think it's

1351
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: a joke.

1352
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 5: So I hope it really is.

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01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: You go to Tarzanajoe dot com for that beautiful poem

1354
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: that you know you can't write.

1355
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 5: You might be able to pass it off as your

1356
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 5: own if your wife wasn't listening.

1357
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: So that's the other Just absolutely rip it off or

1358
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 2: call Joe if you need a poem for any occasion.

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01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 5: Tarzanajoe dot com.

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01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 2: I want a poem, but thank you, Thank tuning everybody.

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Speaker 5: Totail dialogue coming up. Thank you Joe,