1 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:25,820 Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of 2 00:00:25,860 --> 00:00:29,500 Speaker 1: hours of Dennis's lectures courses in classic radio programs. Had 3 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:39,460 Speaker 1: to purchase Dennis Prager's Rational Bibles, go to Dennisprager dot com. 4 00:00:40,740 --> 00:00:43,500 Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about an event that 5 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:46,739 Speaker 2: took place, but it's already now history, even though it 6 00:00:46,820 --> 00:00:47,660 Speaker 2: was three weeks ago. 7 00:00:47,820 --> 00:00:49,940 Speaker 3: And you know, we move on in life. 8 00:00:51,540 --> 00:00:55,020 Speaker 2: The news cycle is such that it's both a blessing 9 00:00:55,060 --> 00:00:59,459 Speaker 2: and a curse. All blessings or also curses. And the 10 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:04,420 Speaker 2: amount of news that we take in is partially a 11 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:09,340 Speaker 2: curse in that the big issues are forgotten so rapidly. 12 00:01:09,380 --> 00:01:16,060 Speaker 2: Bin Laden was killed just three weeks ago, and I 13 00:01:16,180 --> 00:01:21,180 Speaker 2: want to talk to you about reactions to the celebrates 14 00:01:21,740 --> 00:01:25,260 Speaker 2: that took place in the United States of America as 15 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:29,900 Speaker 2: a result of the killing of bin Laden, how rabbis, priests, ministers, 16 00:01:30,020 --> 00:01:35,060 Speaker 2: and others have reacted, and how, in my opinion, the 17 00:01:35,220 --> 00:01:43,540 Speaker 2: world is truly morally upside down. I daily pinch myself 18 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:45,700 Speaker 2: if I guess I have to put it this way. 19 00:01:45,740 --> 00:01:51,260 Speaker 2: If my views are on these matters are accurate, we're 20 00:01:51,260 --> 00:01:53,620 Speaker 2: in bad shape. And if they're not accurate, we're in 21 00:01:53,660 --> 00:02:00,860 Speaker 2: bad shape because there are the dominant ideas today are 22 00:02:00,940 --> 00:02:07,940 Speaker 2: so morally odd and different from the past. And I 23 00:02:07,980 --> 00:02:13,540 Speaker 2: am specifically referring, and I will review examples from Christianity 24 00:02:13,579 --> 00:02:20,300 Speaker 2: and Judaism. The number of rabbis and Christian clergy who 25 00:02:20,380 --> 00:02:25,260 Speaker 2: are angry at people who celebrated the killing of Osama 26 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:29,220 Speaker 2: bin Laden. I would say the bulk of Christian and 27 00:02:29,340 --> 00:02:35,180 Speaker 2: Jewish clergy are opposed to celebrating the death of bin Laden. 28 00:02:36,380 --> 00:02:37,220 Speaker 3: And I will. 29 00:02:37,020 --> 00:02:41,340 Speaker 2: Give you examples in all of these cases. Here is 30 00:02:41,420 --> 00:02:46,220 Speaker 2: a pastor, Brian McLaren. Time magazine named him one of 31 00:02:46,220 --> 00:02:50,340 Speaker 2: the twenty five most influential evangelicals in America a few 32 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:55,500 Speaker 2: years ago. Reacting to television images of young Americans chanting 33 00:02:55,700 --> 00:03:00,340 Speaker 2: Usa USA the night bin Laden's death was announced, the 34 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:04,500 Speaker 2: pastor wrote, quote, I can only say that this image 35 00:03:04,580 --> 00:03:09,700 Speaker 2: does not reflect well on my country. Joyfully celebrating the 36 00:03:09,780 --> 00:03:15,780 Speaker 2: killing of a killer who joyfully celebrated killing carries an 37 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:18,180 Speaker 2: irony that I hope will not be lost on us. 38 00:03:19,180 --> 00:03:26,540 Speaker 2: Get So, those who celebrate bin Laden's death are morally 39 00:03:26,660 --> 00:03:32,500 Speaker 2: equivalent to the people who celebrated nine to eleven. Get it, 40 00:03:33,180 --> 00:03:36,420 Speaker 2: they celebrated death, and they celebrated death. 41 00:03:37,220 --> 00:03:38,060 Speaker 3: And there you go. 42 00:03:38,420 --> 00:03:41,420 Speaker 2: And I'm a pastor and I'm one of the twenty 43 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:47,140 Speaker 2: five most influential according to time. Are we learning anything 44 00:03:47,380 --> 00:03:51,980 Speaker 2: or simply spinning harder in the cycle of violence? Now 45 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:55,020 Speaker 2: a word on the words on the phrase cycle of violence. 46 00:03:55,220 --> 00:03:57,340 Speaker 2: There are a few phrases that in the course of 47 00:03:57,380 --> 00:04:00,380 Speaker 2: my lifetime. As soon as I see I know the 48 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:05,180 Speaker 2: person doesn't think clearly. Cycle of violence is a giveaway. 49 00:04:06,140 --> 00:04:08,460 Speaker 3: It is life. Forgive me if this is on your car. 50 00:04:08,740 --> 00:04:10,700 Speaker 3: I never mean to be insulting. 51 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:13,500 Speaker 2: And I'm not insulting these I know that people I 52 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:17,700 Speaker 2: differ with have wonderful intentions, and I never attack their motives. 53 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:22,180 Speaker 2: But it is like the bumper sticker, what is it? 54 00:04:24,460 --> 00:04:30,140 Speaker 2: The one not tolerance? What's the word again? With all 55 00:04:30,180 --> 00:04:38,099 Speaker 2: the symbols of the religions, co exist? Okay, it's the 56 00:04:38,180 --> 00:04:41,460 Speaker 2: message coexists needs to be on a bumper sticker in 57 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:46,260 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, not the United States. This is the land 58 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:51,620 Speaker 2: of coexistence. Religions get along great in the United States. 59 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:55,700 Speaker 2: It's a useless bumper sticker in America. The places where 60 00:04:55,780 --> 00:04:57,739 Speaker 2: you need to put it up, you would be killed 61 00:04:57,740 --> 00:05:00,740 Speaker 2: if you put it up. The place where you don't 62 00:05:00,740 --> 00:05:04,020 Speaker 2: need to put it up. It is meaningless. So to 63 00:05:04,340 --> 00:05:08,260 Speaker 2: cycle of violence. World War two was a cycle of violence, 64 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:12,660 Speaker 2: right the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor and then we bombed 65 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:15,700 Speaker 2: the Japanese. Why wasn't that just a cycle of violence? 66 00:05:16,220 --> 00:05:19,860 Speaker 2: Cycle of violence means that all violence is morally equivalent. 67 00:05:20,860 --> 00:05:23,500 Speaker 3: But that's that's what I. 68 00:05:23,460 --> 00:05:28,140 Speaker 2: Mean by the decline of clarity and moral thinking in 69 00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:33,020 Speaker 2: our time. Not all violence is morally equal. Some violence 70 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:37,940 Speaker 2: is moral, some violence is immoral. We are so anti violence, 71 00:05:38,060 --> 00:05:40,620 Speaker 2: we should be anti evil. This is the message that 72 00:05:40,660 --> 00:05:43,620 Speaker 2: I want to bring to you today. Judaism is anti evil, 73 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:49,500 Speaker 2: not anti violence. There isn't a shred of pacifism in Judaism, 74 00:05:49,580 --> 00:05:54,420 Speaker 2: not a shred. Pacifism has no place in Judaism, never 75 00:05:54,540 --> 00:05:57,140 Speaker 2: did until the until the era we live in. Now 76 00:05:57,860 --> 00:06:02,140 Speaker 2: there are pacifist rabbis. This is brand new and Jewish history. 77 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:05,940 Speaker 2: The idea that it is always wrong to kill is 78 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:09,660 Speaker 2: a brand new idea, and it is not It is 79 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:17,140 Speaker 2: not one that is found anywhere in Judaism nowhere. Okay, 80 00:06:17,180 --> 00:06:20,100 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I promise I'll deal with that. And if 81 00:06:20,140 --> 00:06:23,220 Speaker 2: I don't, just raise your hand in But it's on 82 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:23,739 Speaker 2: my list. 83 00:06:24,380 --> 00:06:27,740 Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. 84 00:06:32,220 --> 00:06:36,900 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom. 85 00:06:37,540 --> 00:06:40,820 Speaker 2: So number one, what this pastor says, The entire thing 86 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:45,820 Speaker 2: the pastor says is upside down morally, and so he was. 87 00:06:46,220 --> 00:06:50,420 Speaker 2: Again the image does not reflect well on my country. 88 00:06:51,260 --> 00:06:55,300 Speaker 2: Joyfully celebrating the killing of a killer who joyfully celebrated 89 00:06:55,380 --> 00:06:58,020 Speaker 2: killing carries an irony that I hope will not be 90 00:06:58,100 --> 00:07:01,420 Speaker 2: lost on us. So you get it. Bin Lodden celebrated 91 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:04,900 Speaker 2: nine to eleven, we celebrate his death. We're all the same. 92 00:07:05,020 --> 00:07:08,540 Speaker 2: Isn't that ironic? I don't see any irony here. I 93 00:07:08,620 --> 00:07:11,100 Speaker 2: see moral clarity on the part of those who know 94 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:14,460 Speaker 2: what the difference between good and evil is. Nine to 95 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:18,100 Speaker 2: eleven is not the same as killing o'salombin lad and 96 00:07:18,140 --> 00:07:19,620 Speaker 2: then again the cycle. 97 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:20,500 Speaker 3: Of violence nonsense. 98 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:25,060 Speaker 2: Next, CNN reported the reaction of an episcopal priest, a 99 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:30,340 Speaker 2: woman Danielle to Mineo, whose Long Island neighborhood lost scores 100 00:07:30,380 --> 00:07:32,460 Speaker 2: of people in the nine to eleven attacks. So they 101 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:35,060 Speaker 2: went to her because so many people were killed in 102 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:40,580 Speaker 2: her neighborhood nine to eleven, including church members. Quote from 103 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:45,820 Speaker 2: CNN when she saw images of Americans celebrating. My first 104 00:07:45,860 --> 00:07:49,380 Speaker 2: reaction was I wish I was with them. My second 105 00:07:49,420 --> 00:07:54,020 Speaker 2: reaction was, this is disgusting. We shouldn't be celebrating the death. 106 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:59,620 Speaker 2: Excuse me, we shouldn't be celebrating the death of anybody. 107 00:07:59,740 --> 00:08:04,580 Speaker 2: It felt gross. We shouldn't be celebrating the death of anybody. 108 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:07,220 Speaker 2: Had Hitler died in nineteen forty one, do you know 109 00:08:07,260 --> 00:08:11,980 Speaker 2: how many people would still have lived. What kind of 110 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:15,940 Speaker 2: moral brain is it that would say you can't celebrate 111 00:08:16,020 --> 00:08:19,900 Speaker 2: the death of anyone. I'm telling you you don't know 112 00:08:20,140 --> 00:08:23,980 Speaker 2: how morally confused this generation is. 113 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:26,660 Speaker 3: And I don't know if it could be undone. 114 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:30,900 Speaker 2: I don't know. It takes eons to build moral clarity 115 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:36,619 Speaker 2: and it takes one generation to undo it all. Now 116 00:08:36,699 --> 00:08:40,979 Speaker 2: give you a rabbi. This is one of many rabbis, 117 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:43,420 Speaker 2: by the way, this is just an example. This is 118 00:08:43,699 --> 00:08:48,179 Speaker 2: a rabbi, the senior Rabbi Temple Emmanuel Denver, Colorado, Rabbi 119 00:08:48,260 --> 00:08:53,740 Speaker 2: Joe black And in his blog and it was carried 120 00:08:53,780 --> 00:08:58,460 Speaker 2: on Facebook, so it's easily found. Reflections on the death 121 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:00,980 Speaker 2: of Bin Laden on Yom Hushoa. He was killed on 122 00:09:01,060 --> 00:09:05,980 Speaker 2: Yom hush Shoa. By the way, last night, like most 123 00:09:06,020 --> 00:09:09,740 Speaker 2: of us, my family and I were transfixed by the 124 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:13,420 Speaker 2: scenes playing out on our TV screens. The celebrations that 125 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:17,059 Speaker 2: were taking place outside of the White House, at Times Square, 126 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:20,620 Speaker 2: at Ground Zero, and throughout the world following confirmation by 127 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:23,380 Speaker 2: President Obama Thatsma bin Laden had. 128 00:09:23,260 --> 00:09:24,780 Speaker 3: Been killed were spellbinding. 129 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:27,460 Speaker 2: It was as if a cloud had been lifted from 130 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:32,700 Speaker 2: our national consciousness. The jubilationian and spontaneous demonstrations of national 131 00:09:32,780 --> 00:09:36,420 Speaker 2: pride that these mostly young revelers were displaying was both 132 00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:41,660 Speaker 2: wonderful and disconcerting. Chance of USA USA filled the air 133 00:09:41,740 --> 00:09:44,380 Speaker 2: and reporters who were interviewing survivors of the nine to 134 00:09:44,380 --> 00:09:48,420 Speaker 2: eleven rescue operations that are indelibly linked in our consciousness. 135 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:49,500 Speaker 3: Consciousness. 136 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:52,460 Speaker 2: At last, we had some positive news in the war 137 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:57,180 Speaker 2: on terror. American commandos had broken through the seemingly impenetrable 138 00:09:57,179 --> 00:10:00,740 Speaker 2: wall of invincibility that al Qaida had created. The mass 139 00:10:00,860 --> 00:10:06,260 Speaker 2: murderer of thousands had finally been eliminated. And yet, waking 140 00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:10,260 Speaker 2: up this morning, however, I don't feel too much like celebrating. 141 00:10:10,740 --> 00:10:14,660 Speaker 2: Bin Laden died a violent death. He deserved to die. 142 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:17,500 Speaker 2: But while I am relieved that bin Laden no longer 143 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:20,579 Speaker 2: poses a threat. I have no illusions that his death 144 00:10:20,780 --> 00:10:23,780 Speaker 2: will put an end to terror. On the contrary, most 145 00:10:23,820 --> 00:10:26,620 Speaker 2: of us are bracing ourselves for the inevitable reaction of 146 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:29,620 Speaker 2: al Qaeda and the myriad of terrorist offshoots that it 147 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:33,020 Speaker 2: has fallen. Now, just let me comment on that. Though 148 00:10:33,060 --> 00:10:36,460 Speaker 2: this is not the subject. My subject is the moral issue. 149 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:39,980 Speaker 2: Nobody claimed that it's the end of terror killing Osama 150 00:10:39,980 --> 00:10:44,460 Speaker 2: bin lad so's he's he's making a claim that that 151 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:49,460 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Nobody says that ends terror. It's just a 152 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:54,140 Speaker 2: good thing that he died. It's better than not. And 153 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:58,020 Speaker 2: every expert that I have read says it is a 154 00:10:58,100 --> 00:11:02,340 Speaker 2: real blow to al Qaeda, that symbolically his death is 155 00:11:02,380 --> 00:11:07,500 Speaker 2: a major thing. All right, So I don't know he's 156 00:11:07,780 --> 00:11:10,740 Speaker 2: arguing with a straw man, but all right. In addition, 157 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:14,820 Speaker 2: and here comes the moral issue. The image of celebrating 158 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:18,100 Speaker 2: the death of another human being, no matter how evil 159 00:11:18,140 --> 00:11:22,060 Speaker 2: he may have been, doesn't fit image of the highest 160 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:25,060 Speaker 2: ideals for which we as a nation stand. 161 00:11:26,660 --> 00:11:28,180 Speaker 3: They we're not. 162 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:31,540 Speaker 2: We're not supposed to celebrate the death of any other person. 163 00:11:32,660 --> 00:11:36,220 Speaker 2: I remember the Los Angeles Police Department shot a man 164 00:11:36,340 --> 00:11:40,500 Speaker 2: who was who was about to rape a woman and 165 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:44,500 Speaker 2: kidnapped the woman, rape her, and and and by all. 166 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:49,420 Speaker 3: The indications, was going to kill her. 167 00:11:49,300 --> 00:11:52,300 Speaker 2: With a gun after he raped her, and they killed 168 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:52,980 Speaker 2: him in time. 169 00:11:53,580 --> 00:11:54,340 Speaker 3: I was thrilled. 170 00:11:56,340 --> 00:12:00,420 Speaker 2: I mean, and and did I go outside and party. No, 171 00:12:00,580 --> 00:12:04,740 Speaker 2: But that's only because that's not my style. But the 172 00:12:04,780 --> 00:12:07,459 Speaker 2: world is a better place because that guy got shot 173 00:12:07,540 --> 00:12:08,340 Speaker 2: before he did. 174 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:09,020 Speaker 3: That to that woman. 175 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:13,059 Speaker 2: I this is a type of thinking that I don't understand. 176 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:17,620 Speaker 2: It's it's new, But where does this idea? You never 177 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:20,420 Speaker 2: celebrate the death of another human company? Now, I'll be 178 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:24,580 Speaker 2: with all the sources. He for example, says his next 179 00:12:24,580 --> 00:12:27,699 Speaker 2: sentence in the Book of Proverbs, we find the following, 180 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:31,780 Speaker 2: do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not 181 00:12:31,980 --> 00:12:35,620 Speaker 2: your heart be glad when he stumbles. Then he writes, 182 00:12:36,140 --> 00:12:38,860 Speaker 2: It's another thing I'm never a big fan of. But 183 00:12:38,940 --> 00:12:42,820 Speaker 2: it's okay, my son Ethan. When people quote their young kids. 184 00:12:43,380 --> 00:12:46,460 Speaker 2: You know, most people have young kids who say cute things, 185 00:12:46,460 --> 00:12:51,220 Speaker 2: but we don't necessarily write them in our blogs. But okay, 186 00:12:51,660 --> 00:12:56,179 Speaker 2: my son Ethan beautifully captured his duality of feeling in 187 00:12:56,220 --> 00:13:01,980 Speaker 2: his Facebook when he wrote, regardless of how despicable or 188 00:13:02,020 --> 00:13:05,340 Speaker 2: evil an individual might be, we as Americans, never celebrate 189 00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:09,060 Speaker 2: the death of another. Where did he get this from? 190 00:13:09,940 --> 00:13:12,860 Speaker 2: Where did Ethan his son get it? The answers he 191 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:15,580 Speaker 2: got it from his father, exactly right. But he didn't 192 00:13:15,580 --> 00:13:20,220 Speaker 2: get it from American history. We instead celebrate the end 193 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:23,660 Speaker 2: to an era of fear and terror. But it's not over. 194 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:26,540 Speaker 2: The father just said it's not over. We're gonna have 195 00:13:26,580 --> 00:13:28,820 Speaker 2: more terror than ever. I guess he didn't get that 196 00:13:28,940 --> 00:13:32,620 Speaker 2: part from his dad. We celebrate the individuals who keep 197 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:35,740 Speaker 2: us safe from those who want to harm us. Most importantly, 198 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:40,220 Speaker 2: we celebrate the universal ideals of freedom and justice. Okay, 199 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:43,660 Speaker 2: I celebrate the ideal of killing evil people. 200 00:13:43,940 --> 00:13:44,980 Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of that. 201 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:47,140 Speaker 2: I just want to go on record as saying that 202 00:13:48,380 --> 00:13:50,980 Speaker 2: this morning, the world is a different place. This is 203 00:13:51,020 --> 00:13:54,900 Speaker 2: the Rabbi now his final paragraph. This morning, the world 204 00:13:55,020 --> 00:13:57,340 Speaker 2: is a different place than it was last night. Not 205 00:13:57,460 --> 00:14:01,939 Speaker 2: because a terrorist has been killed, but rather, now listen 206 00:14:01,980 --> 00:14:04,300 Speaker 2: to this. This is unbelievable. I don't this, I truly 207 00:14:04,300 --> 00:14:08,340 Speaker 2: don't understand. So why is the world different from last night? 208 00:14:08,540 --> 00:14:12,060 Speaker 2: Not because the leading terrorist on earth was killed, nope, 209 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:16,260 Speaker 2: but rather because we have been given an opportunity to heal, 210 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:24,300 Speaker 2: to heal from what I don't an opportunity to heal 211 00:14:25,540 --> 00:14:28,780 Speaker 2: one man's death. However, Justified will not bring back the 212 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:32,860 Speaker 2: thousands upon thousands who have died due to hatred. See 213 00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:36,380 Speaker 2: due to hatred. It's like it's due to his hatred. 214 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:41,260 Speaker 2: He didn't say that. Notice that he's anti hatred. I'm 215 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:43,740 Speaker 2: not anti hatred. I think I've told you that Berkeley, 216 00:14:43,780 --> 00:14:47,380 Speaker 2: the city of Berkeley, many years ago, passed a resolution 217 00:14:47,540 --> 00:14:51,620 Speaker 2: that Berkeley is a hate free zone, and I immediately 218 00:14:51,620 --> 00:14:54,580 Speaker 2: announced on the radio, I will never be allowed. 219 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:57,980 Speaker 3: To visit Berkeley. I do hate, and. 220 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,900 Speaker 2: I'm commanded by my religion to it. Ojavea do na 221 00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:03,660 Speaker 2: si murdad. Those of you who love God must hate evil. 222 00:15:04,460 --> 00:15:11,140 Speaker 2: It's set every Shabbata kabalahabad from the psalms. But they're 223 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:16,900 Speaker 2: against hatred. This embodied from morality. This is the what 224 00:15:17,140 --> 00:15:22,580 Speaker 2: I'm worried about. We don't think morally. Now think with feelings. 225 00:15:22,660 --> 00:15:25,740 Speaker 2: I hate hatred. I don't hate hatred. I hate evil. 226 00:15:27,580 --> 00:15:32,500 Speaker 2: There's a very big difference. The Rabbis were geniuses in 227 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:35,260 Speaker 2: this matter. Why was the temple destroyed and why did 228 00:15:35,260 --> 00:15:39,020 Speaker 2: we have a sort of Holocaust. The number of Jews 229 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:42,979 Speaker 2: killed was was unbelievable in the first and second destructions 230 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:46,300 Speaker 2: of the Temple and the Jewish state. What did the 231 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:49,300 Speaker 2: rabbis say was the reason we were killed? Nearly all 232 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:54,780 Speaker 2: of you notice because of sinatinam They were brilliant. Sinattinam 233 00:15:54,940 --> 00:16:01,740 Speaker 2: means gratuitous hatred, baseless hatred. They never said because of Sinah. 234 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:07,380 Speaker 2: It wasn't because of Jews hating. It was because of 235 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:12,260 Speaker 2: Jews hating for no good reason. There's a huge difference 236 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:16,020 Speaker 2: between hating for no good reason and hating for good reason. 237 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:21,060 Speaker 2: Your damn well should hate for good reason. Then if 238 00:16:21,060 --> 00:16:23,260 Speaker 2: you really want to get depressed, you read the comments 239 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:28,060 Speaker 2: on the rabbi's blog. I couldn't agree more. I found 240 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:32,140 Speaker 2: the celebration, the wild, the celebrations of the death very disconcerting. 241 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:37,100 Speaker 2: Thank you you articulated well my feelings this day, so 242 00:16:37,340 --> 00:16:40,700 Speaker 2: well said. Thank you for clearing up the mixed emotions. 243 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:44,780 Speaker 2: I was feeling well done, beautiful, Thank you Rabbi, and 244 00:16:44,820 --> 00:16:49,300 Speaker 2: so on. Now let me deal with all the verses 245 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:53,660 Speaker 2: in the Talmud and in the Bible on this issue, 246 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:56,660 Speaker 2: and then I will explain to you what they mean 247 00:16:56,780 --> 00:16:58,420 Speaker 2: and why they are misunderstood. 248 00:16:59,660 --> 00:17:03,300 Speaker 3: So first is the sun. See, oh good, that's great. 249 00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:08,060 Speaker 2: First, here you have the tumutc statement, and all of 250 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:11,739 Speaker 2: you know these statements. By the way, when the Egyptians 251 00:17:11,740 --> 00:17:15,539 Speaker 2: were drowning in the sea of reeds, the angels wanted 252 00:17:15,580 --> 00:17:18,259 Speaker 2: to sing, but God said to them, the work of 253 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:21,180 Speaker 2: my hands is drowning in the sea, and you want 254 00:17:21,220 --> 00:17:25,859 Speaker 2: to sing. All of the rabbis who are anti celebrating 255 00:17:25,899 --> 00:17:30,259 Speaker 2: bin Laden's death, bring this verse. I have heard this 256 00:17:30,419 --> 00:17:35,179 Speaker 2: verse sighted since I was in Yeshiva. It's very important, however, 257 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:39,379 Speaker 2: to understand whom God addressed. God addressed the angels, not people. 258 00:17:41,699 --> 00:17:46,059 Speaker 2: Angels have different criteria for how they should behave. And then, 259 00:17:46,179 --> 00:17:49,260 Speaker 2: first of all, it's all allegorical. Okay, it's all allegorical. 260 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:52,419 Speaker 2: The rabbis made up a beautiful little story. And I 261 00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:56,420 Speaker 2: understand that God isn't going to go jubilant over the 262 00:17:56,580 --> 00:18:00,979 Speaker 2: entire Egyptian army drowning in the sea. God is the 263 00:18:01,060 --> 00:18:03,899 Speaker 2: father of all creatures. And even if your child is rotten, 264 00:18:04,179 --> 00:18:06,299 Speaker 2: you're still sad that your child dies. 265 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:09,259 Speaker 3: But I'm not said your child dies. 266 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:12,580 Speaker 2: If you're a mister bin Laden sor there's a big 267 00:18:12,580 --> 00:18:14,420 Speaker 2: difference between being God. 268 00:18:14,219 --> 00:18:15,859 Speaker 3: Or an angel and being a person. 269 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:21,939 Speaker 2: God never rebuked the Jews for singing, and as you 270 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:27,059 Speaker 2: brought up, and indeed, as I point out in my 271 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:29,819 Speaker 2: the article I wrote on this, which is in you 272 00:18:29,859 --> 00:18:32,500 Speaker 2: want to see in the Jewish Journal this week, uh 273 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:36,499 Speaker 2: the uh Oziah Mocheb. I'm going to say, Rahazolt, what 274 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:41,299 Speaker 2: did what did Moses and Israel do after the Egyptians drowned? 275 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:45,340 Speaker 3: They sang a song? Did God rebuke them? 276 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:51,020 Speaker 2: Is there a hint a hint of God being dissatisfied 277 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:55,179 Speaker 2: with this song? Moses was wrong, but Rabbi so and 278 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:57,020 Speaker 2: so a temple Emmanuel is right. 279 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:00,019 Speaker 3: I'll take Moses personally. 280 00:19:02,739 --> 00:19:05,740 Speaker 2: Do you you know we are living in an age 281 00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:10,939 Speaker 2: of non Judaism Jews. It's the worst age we've ever 282 00:19:11,020 --> 00:19:13,659 Speaker 2: lived in. I can live with non Jewish Jews. The 283 00:19:13,699 --> 00:19:17,859 Speaker 2: non Jewish Jew is the person who completely is alienated 284 00:19:17,859 --> 00:19:22,020 Speaker 2: from Jewish identity. Secular or religious. Respect that person. It's 285 00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:24,300 Speaker 2: a free world. You can identify with what you want. 286 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:25,699 Speaker 2: You want to be a Buddhist, you want to be 287 00:19:25,739 --> 00:19:30,699 Speaker 2: an atheist, that's your business. I respect that. I respect 288 00:19:30,739 --> 00:19:32,619 Speaker 2: Jews to the right of me. I respect Jews to 289 00:19:32,659 --> 00:19:35,020 Speaker 2: the left of me. I. The only Jew I don't 290 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:40,100 Speaker 2: respect is the Jew who turns Judaism upside that who 291 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:43,420 Speaker 2: says this is what a Jew should act like when 292 00:19:43,459 --> 00:19:47,980 Speaker 2: there is no basis for it. In Judaism, we sang, 293 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:51,980 Speaker 2: God did not rebuke. And if you read the whole thing, 294 00:19:52,340 --> 00:19:54,979 Speaker 2: do not come out. God is a God is a 295 00:19:55,020 --> 00:19:55,699 Speaker 2: man of war. 296 00:19:57,899 --> 00:19:59,659 Speaker 3: Just read it. It's the most famous. 297 00:19:59,739 --> 00:20:01,699 Speaker 2: I mean, I know it by heart because we said 298 00:20:01,699 --> 00:20:04,379 Speaker 2: it every day and yeshiv and to this day, Jews 299 00:20:04,419 --> 00:20:06,259 Speaker 2: who pray every day say it every day. It's in 300 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:10,219 Speaker 2: the shock service Oz yes here Mochem said this. 301 00:20:11,379 --> 00:20:12,740 Speaker 3: And then when. 302 00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:15,020 Speaker 2: They got to the other side and the Egyptians drowned, 303 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:17,500 Speaker 2: Moses and the children of Israel sang the following. 304 00:20:17,619 --> 00:20:21,859 Speaker 1: So this episode of timeless wisdom, I'll continue right after this. 305 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:31,020 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom. 306 00:20:31,459 --> 00:20:38,619 Speaker 2: So this citation, Ah, they're my children angels, you shouldn't sing. Fine, 307 00:20:38,659 --> 00:20:42,019 Speaker 2: any of you who are angels don't sing. However, if 308 00:20:42,060 --> 00:20:44,419 Speaker 2: you're human, you have a perfect right to sing at 309 00:20:44,459 --> 00:20:50,939 Speaker 2: the death of the truly evil. Next, the Biblical Book 310 00:20:50,979 --> 00:20:53,859 Speaker 2: of Proverbs, when your enemy falls, do not rejoice. And 311 00:20:53,899 --> 00:20:57,780 Speaker 2: when he stumbles. Let your heart not exult. Okay, let 312 00:20:57,780 --> 00:21:01,379 Speaker 2: me explain something about the word enemy. Christians and Jews 313 00:21:01,419 --> 00:21:06,060 Speaker 2: get this wrong. And by the way, I was really 314 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:09,739 Speaker 2: delighted to see that the explanation I am about to 315 00:21:09,780 --> 00:21:14,379 Speaker 2: give you for the word enemy is exactly what Adingsteinsaltz, 316 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:18,060 Speaker 2: one of the most revered Jewish scholars living today, gives 317 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:20,459 Speaker 2: as well. You could check it on the internet. It 318 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:23,299 Speaker 2: is almost word for word what I wrote in my 319 00:21:23,540 --> 00:21:26,179 Speaker 2: article and what I am about to tell you, and 320 00:21:26,179 --> 00:21:30,100 Speaker 2: what I have said to Christians in particular. And I feel, 321 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,139 Speaker 2: and I always say on the radiocle certain amount of 322 00:21:32,179 --> 00:21:36,460 Speaker 2: huts for telling Christians what Jesus said, because they get 323 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:40,780 Speaker 2: it wrong. But nevertheless, I was endowed with kutzbla at 324 00:21:40,780 --> 00:21:45,540 Speaker 2: birth and I use it. But for example, he says 325 00:21:45,580 --> 00:21:50,259 Speaker 2: love your enemy, right, and so therefore Christians say, we 326 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:53,419 Speaker 2: have to love communists, we have to love Nazis, we 327 00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:56,580 Speaker 2: have to love racists, we have to love bin Laden. 328 00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:59,859 Speaker 2: That is not it, and it is not what Proverbs 329 00:21:59,859 --> 00:22:03,700 Speaker 2: said when your enemy falls, do not rejoice. We're talking, 330 00:22:04,219 --> 00:22:06,619 Speaker 2: as Jesus was in his case, with turn the other 331 00:22:06,739 --> 00:22:10,260 Speaker 2: cheek and love your enemy with you as an individual 332 00:22:10,379 --> 00:22:14,499 Speaker 2: and the people you are antagonistic to in your life. 333 00:22:14,739 --> 00:22:20,300 Speaker 2: That is perfectly accurate. Most people have enemies in the 334 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:23,859 Speaker 2: core of their life. In business, they had a terrible 335 00:22:23,939 --> 00:22:28,419 Speaker 2: falling out God forbid, and a divorce. Somebody becomes an enemy, 336 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:34,659 Speaker 2: whatever it might be, whatever the situation, that you don't 337 00:22:34,699 --> 00:22:40,779 Speaker 2: celebrate their demands, that's correct, But that is not the 338 00:22:40,899 --> 00:22:46,139 Speaker 2: same as the objectively evil. Osama bin Laden was not 339 00:22:46,459 --> 00:22:49,459 Speaker 2: my enemy. I never met the man. He never personally 340 00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:54,420 Speaker 2: hurt me at all. He had no real role in 341 00:22:54,459 --> 00:22:58,300 Speaker 2: my life. My personal enemies and I haven't had many, 342 00:22:58,379 --> 00:23:01,619 Speaker 2: thank God, But my personal enemies have had a much 343 00:23:01,699 --> 00:23:05,100 Speaker 2: bigger role in my daily life than Osama bin Laden did. 344 00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:09,379 Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden was not my enemy. Bin Laden was 345 00:23:09,419 --> 00:23:10,659 Speaker 3: an evil man. 346 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:15,299 Speaker 2: It doesn't say do not rejoice at the fall of evil. 347 00:23:15,659 --> 00:23:18,019 Speaker 2: It has the opposite. That's the point. 348 00:23:20,379 --> 00:23:22,419 Speaker 3: Here. Let me give it to you. 349 00:23:22,699 --> 00:23:28,540 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Talmud, when the wicked perish from the world, 350 00:23:29,219 --> 00:23:34,419 Speaker 2: good comes to the world. Proverbs, when the wicked perish, 351 00:23:34,619 --> 00:23:40,899 Speaker 2: there is joyful song. The Proverbs and the Talmud distinguish 352 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:43,859 Speaker 2: between enemy and evil. 353 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:48,579 Speaker 3: Get it. Your personal enemy is not the evil. 354 00:23:49,619 --> 00:23:53,699 Speaker 2: That's your issue, and you shouldn't act toward that person 355 00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:56,499 Speaker 2: as if that person is Osama bin loved. Now if 356 00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:58,459 Speaker 2: your person let them is Issam bin Laden, that's a 357 00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:04,459 Speaker 2: separate issue. Is this clear the distinction between enemy and evil. 358 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:08,539 Speaker 2: You do celebrate the fall of evil, the death of 359 00:24:08,619 --> 00:24:12,820 Speaker 2: evil people. You don't celebrate the fall of a person 360 00:24:12,859 --> 00:24:16,340 Speaker 2: that you are antagonistic to in your life. That's a 361 00:24:16,379 --> 00:24:20,419 Speaker 2: big difference, and that's a great lesson. And the words 362 00:24:20,419 --> 00:24:24,460 Speaker 2: of Proverbs are clear as a bell. We celebrate the 363 00:24:24,459 --> 00:24:30,019 Speaker 2: fall of evil. We don't celebrate when our enemy falls. 364 00:24:30,580 --> 00:24:38,740 Speaker 2: That's the difference. Let me summarize here. There's a British 365 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:41,859 Speaker 2: historian named Andrew Roberts. He's just come out with a 366 00:24:41,979 --> 00:24:44,899 Speaker 2: history of World War Two. I like this man because 367 00:24:45,780 --> 00:24:48,979 Speaker 2: moral passion. He wrote in the Wall Street Journal to 368 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:54,859 Speaker 2: follow him. Remember he's a British historian. My countryman's reactions 369 00:24:54,899 --> 00:24:57,179 Speaker 2: to the death of Osama bin Laden. That means my 370 00:24:57,260 --> 00:25:02,300 Speaker 2: fellow Brits have made me doubt my pride in being British. 371 00:25:03,179 --> 00:25:09,619 Speaker 2: The foul outpouring of smearing, anti Americanism, legalistic quibbling. 372 00:25:10,179 --> 00:25:12,939 Speaker 3: You know what the legalistic quibbling is about? Right? Was 373 00:25:12,939 --> 00:25:14,099 Speaker 3: it right to kill him? 374 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:17,539 Speaker 2: He may not have been armed at that moment, and 375 00:25:17,780 --> 00:25:21,179 Speaker 2: concerned for the supposed human rights of our a modern 376 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:27,539 Speaker 2: Hitler have left me squirming in embarrassment and apology before 377 00:25:27,619 --> 00:25:33,419 Speaker 2: my American friends. Britain's utterly refuse to obey the natural 378 00:25:33,580 --> 00:25:38,700 Speaker 2: instincts of the freeborn to celebrate the death of a tyrant. 379 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:44,219 Speaker 2: When the Mets Phillies baseball game erupted into cheers on 380 00:25:44,379 --> 00:25:49,659 Speaker 2: hearing the wonderful news, or the crowds chanted Usa Usa 381 00:25:49,859 --> 00:25:54,980 Speaker 2: outside the White House, they were manifesting the finest emotional 382 00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:57,139 Speaker 2: responses of a great people. 383 00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:00,980 Speaker 3: And now I will end with this. 384 00:26:02,979 --> 00:26:07,540 Speaker 2: For every rabbi who says we shouldn't cheer the death 385 00:26:07,619 --> 00:26:12,619 Speaker 2: of anyone, I want you to confront this person with 386 00:26:12,899 --> 00:26:19,540 Speaker 2: a man named Ari Hassenberg. This was cited in Saul 387 00:26:19,659 --> 00:26:23,899 Speaker 2: Friedlander's History of the Holocaust. I know of it because 388 00:26:24,020 --> 00:26:26,580 Speaker 2: it was cited in the book that I am reading 389 00:26:26,619 --> 00:26:29,979 Speaker 2: on the History of World War II by Andrew Robins Okay. 390 00:26:31,419 --> 00:26:35,340 Speaker 2: Ari Hassenberg was the Prince was a prisoner at Auschwitz Burganel, 391 00:26:37,859 --> 00:26:42,459 Speaker 2: as quoted by Holocaust historian Saul Friedlander, after one of 392 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:47,939 Speaker 2: the Auschwitz sub camps, Manavitz was bombed by the Allies. 393 00:26:49,219 --> 00:26:55,659 Speaker 2: Hassenberg's reaction was quote to see a killed German, that 394 00:26:55,820 --> 00:27:01,899 Speaker 2: was why we enjoyed the bombing. Is Hassenberg Unjewish in 395 00:27:01,979 --> 00:27:07,259 Speaker 2: his reaction? Immoral in his reaction? According to virtually every 396 00:27:07,379 --> 00:27:11,260 Speaker 2: rabbi cited on this issue, he would be he would 397 00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:11,660 Speaker 2: have to. 398 00:27:11,619 --> 00:27:12,899 Speaker 3: Be considered. 399 00:27:13,939 --> 00:27:17,939 Speaker 2: That his reaction would have to be considered Unjewish. He 400 00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:21,379 Speaker 2: shouldn't have been happy that ss Guard were killed in 401 00:27:21,419 --> 00:27:25,659 Speaker 2: the bombing of one of the SubCamps of Auschwitz. This 402 00:27:25,699 --> 00:27:26,659 Speaker 2: is what we have come to. 403 00:27:27,139 --> 00:27:30,499 Speaker 1: This episode of timeless wisdom will continue right after this. 404 00:27:34,979 --> 00:27:39,699 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom. 405 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:41,419 Speaker 3: Why have we come to this? 406 00:27:41,859 --> 00:27:46,019 Speaker 2: Oh, this I've spoken on for all these years, But 407 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:52,100 Speaker 2: I'll tell you one reason. The utter paradise in which 408 00:27:52,459 --> 00:27:59,899 Speaker 2: Western culture has raised a generation has made them completely 409 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:04,459 Speaker 2: unaware of what real evil is like. And when you 410 00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:10,179 Speaker 2: don't experience what Ari Hassenberg has experienced, it's very easy 411 00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:14,939 Speaker 2: to sit in your air conditioned rabbinic office in La Denver, 412 00:28:15,179 --> 00:28:19,500 Speaker 2: New York and write on the Internet how it's wrong 413 00:28:19,659 --> 00:28:23,419 Speaker 2: to celebrate the day of anyone. But if you see 414 00:28:23,540 --> 00:28:28,499 Speaker 2: what I know, all of you know went on in Auschwitz, 415 00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:32,899 Speaker 2: and you know that one of those people who did 416 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:36,739 Speaker 2: any one of those things is now dead. You think 417 00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:43,020 Speaker 2: it's wrong to celebrate that. What has happened? What has happened. 418 00:28:44,420 --> 00:28:48,340 Speaker 2: This was a true smoking gun to me of the 419 00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:53,900 Speaker 2: bankruptcy of much of Judaism today that so many rabbis joined, 420 00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:58,059 Speaker 2: and so many Christians it's the same in Christianity have 421 00:28:58,219 --> 00:29:02,340 Speaker 2: joined the bandwagon of you can't celebrate anyone's death. An 422 00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:07,860 Speaker 2: embarrassment at people chanting USA, USA, at the death of 423 00:29:07,940 --> 00:29:13,140 Speaker 2: the man called by this historian our modern Hitler. If 424 00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:17,260 Speaker 2: anybody would like to raise an issue, yes, please, sir. 425 00:29:23,459 --> 00:29:32,580 Speaker 2: Why to celebrate? Well, you raise a very passionate issue 426 00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:34,900 Speaker 2: to me, because we've been working for years now on 427 00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:39,140 Speaker 2: a July fourth Satyr for Americans of all backgrounds to celebrate. 428 00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:42,540 Speaker 2: I think it's more true about Memorial Day. I think 429 00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:45,979 Speaker 2: that we should adopt, for example, what Israel has that 430 00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:51,420 Speaker 2: all traffic and all intercourse between people, and for one 431 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:56,140 Speaker 2: minute on Memorial Day a siren at noon in each 432 00:29:56,219 --> 00:30:00,260 Speaker 2: time zone is played, or whatever time you stop your car, 433 00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:01,580 Speaker 2: you stand up outside. 434 00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:04,620 Speaker 3: It would transform the society. 435 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:09,900 Speaker 2: The reason Jews have survived three thousand, six hundred years 436 00:30:10,459 --> 00:30:15,900 Speaker 2: is ritual. Ritual preserves memory, not the brain. The brain 437 00:30:16,140 --> 00:30:20,940 Speaker 2: does not remember. Actions cause the brain to remember. 438 00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:28,299 Speaker 3: Yes, I should be very angry celeberation the fact that 439 00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:30,339 Speaker 3: this monster funeral. 440 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,180 Speaker 2: Oh that he was You mean you he was buried? 441 00:30:33,260 --> 00:30:36,219 Speaker 2: You were angry that he was buried according to Muslim law. Yes, 442 00:30:37,660 --> 00:30:40,940 Speaker 2: I don't have a position on that. I'm just happy 443 00:30:40,979 --> 00:30:43,940 Speaker 2: that he was buried at sea. There is no shrine. 444 00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:48,100 Speaker 2: I thought that they handled it frankly quite well. Did 445 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,299 Speaker 2: he not deserve I'll tell you the one thing that 446 00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:54,100 Speaker 2: is interesting. Any Muslim who does say he should have 447 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:59,100 Speaker 2: been given proper rights should be asked this question. I 448 00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:04,259 Speaker 2: thought the argument of nearly all Muslim spokesman is that 449 00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:08,499 Speaker 2: he was not a Muslim. Why then should he be 450 00:31:08,540 --> 00:31:12,660 Speaker 2: given any proper Muslim rights. You can't have it both ways. 451 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,580 Speaker 2: You can't say, oh, he's not a Muslim, he's just 452 00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:18,260 Speaker 2: a terrorist, he has nothing to do with Islam, and 453 00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,979 Speaker 2: then demand that he'd be given proper rights of aurial. 454 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:25,620 Speaker 2: That's the question I would like to pose. Yes, please 455 00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:48,340 Speaker 2: stand Yeah, I never heard that that that there's that 456 00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:52,580 Speaker 2: part of the official uh uh right of prayer upon 457 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:55,500 Speaker 2: burialist curse the Jews and christ the Christians. That's more 458 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:59,299 Speaker 2: while living that is said, and not certainly not by 459 00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:01,739 Speaker 2: by own Muslims by any means. I don't know it 460 00:32:01,780 --> 00:32:05,979 Speaker 2: would be dishonest and wrong to say that, but certainly 461 00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:09,700 Speaker 2: there is a percentage that believed that, and certainly come 462 00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:17,380 Speaker 2: us would be an example of that. Yes, I'll repeat 463 00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:37,620 Speaker 2: in case you can hear at the back. I think 464 00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:42,020 Speaker 2: it's a very fine point that she said, and correctly 465 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:45,420 Speaker 2: is in hatred a motivator for a lot of the 466 00:32:45,459 --> 00:32:49,059 Speaker 2: good that happened. Why you don't hate racism? Right, you 467 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:52,620 Speaker 2: don't hate drunk driving? Now you could say drunk drivers 468 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,660 Speaker 2: might be You know, drunk drivers are not being loddeness. 469 00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:58,140 Speaker 2: I mean that we all recognize. On the other hand, 470 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:00,700 Speaker 2: they kill a hell of a lot more than bin 471 00:33:00,739 --> 00:33:02,539 Speaker 2: Laden killed in total. 472 00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:03,900 Speaker 3: But you're absolutely right. 473 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:06,660 Speaker 2: That's why I said this moral hatred and immoral hatred. 474 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:10,460 Speaker 2: We should be against immoral hatred. But your kids at 475 00:33:10,459 --> 00:33:13,820 Speaker 2: college at forty thousand dollars a year if you're lucky, 476 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:20,100 Speaker 2: is our learning that hatred is wrong? Hatred is not wrong. 477 00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:24,780 Speaker 2: Depends what you hate. We think one more, yes, please stand? 478 00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:29,820 Speaker 3: Yes? 479 00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:37,339 Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the issue of an eye for an eyepronize. Actually, 480 00:33:37,540 --> 00:33:40,499 Speaker 2: justice is not hatred. It was one of the great 481 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:43,700 Speaker 2: steps forward in human history. What it said was that 482 00:33:43,739 --> 00:33:45,779 Speaker 2: the eye of a nobleman and the eye of a 483 00:33:47,979 --> 00:33:51,620 Speaker 2: serf are equal. Never take more. And of course it 484 00:33:51,739 --> 00:33:55,059 Speaker 2: was always understood as monetary compensation. 485 00:33:55,459 --> 00:33:56,940 Speaker 3: I said one more, so that would be it. 486 00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:59,900 Speaker 2: Forgive me sachallon everybody. 487 00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:05,979 Speaker 1: This has been timeless wisdom with Dennis Prager. 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