1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: How bad are our priorities right now? When when we're 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: sitting here thirty ninth in fourth grade reading proficiency, you 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: have volunteers wanting to help on that that are being 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: more or less shoved away because you need to learn 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: all this bias training. If you look, correlation and causation 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: are not the same thing with respect to all these 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: race based things that they want to show you. If 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: you want to show the number one indicator that has 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: the highest statistical correlation between education levels, it's poverty. It 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: is money. The more that we can lift people out 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: of poverty, the better their education is going to be. 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: You do that by making sure that that single mothers 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: and by you know, young couples are not saddled with 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of dollars of tax for going and 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: working and being incentivized to stay home. My brother, as 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: a small business owner, has told me about people that 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: have said, I can't have that many hours because it's 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: going to trigger the point where I'm going to either 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: have to pay my loans back or I'm not going 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: to be able to qualify for my housing. And we 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: are literally putting the incentive for people to stay at home, 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: and then on top of that, I've represented a number 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: of affordable housing businesses. They are leaving and have left 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: the state of Minnesota because of how the Minnesota Housing 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Finance Agency treats them that they are saying, they're making 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: it so unpalatable for them to be able to conduct 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: business here. They're saying, screw it, I'm going to another state. 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: But this has been building year after year, and again, 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to get my soapbox, but this is among 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: the reasons that I'm running. Nobody's doing anything about this. 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: All they ever do is complain, and we just have 32 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: to actually accomplish something here. 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to do a brand new episode of the Michelle 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: Tafoya podcast. 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: Just do me one favor. Doesn't cost you a dime. 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: Just click subscribe. 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: If you're on Apple Podcasts, Rumble, Spotify YouTube, just click 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: subscribe so. 39 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 3: You never miss an episode. 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: We'd love to have you automatically download these every time 41 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: they come out. We're in the middle and actually we're 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: getting to the end of this series of interviews with 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: Republican gubernatorial candidates for Minnesota. The Democrat candidate is Tim Walls, 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: who has not acknowledged our invitation to have him on, 45 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: but we're interviewing all the Republicans so you can get 46 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: to know them a little bit better as you prepare 47 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 2: to take a vote next year in Minnesota. I think 48 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: for some people nationally this is interesting too, given all 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: the fraud stories in Minnesota. So hopefully you're all listening, 50 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: sharing and getting to know these people. Chris Maddle is 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: Today's Today's subject matter. He is You can find him 52 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: at maddal for Governor, m A d e L just 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: one D, but it rhymes with paddle. 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: He told me. 55 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: It's not metal, it's not middle, it's not model. It's 56 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: Chris Mattel m A d e l forgovernor dot com. 57 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: He is our guest will grilling on why he's entering 58 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: this very loaded field. That's next, Chris, thank you for 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 2: joining us. The first question I've been asking every candidate 60 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: is you know this field, and especially now, this field 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: is getting big and bigger, and we're up to ten 62 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: I believe now, so obviously you feel that there's a 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: void that you can fill. 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: Why do you want to run? 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: First? Thank you for having me on, Michelle. Yeah, A 66 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: big fan of your podcast. Number one, so thank you. 67 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: The number one reason that I'm really interested in running. 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: Is that it was really kind of propelled to do 70 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: it because I just don't see people actually speaking to 71 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: the issues in such a way that I think that 72 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: they can actually convince voters to come their way. And 73 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot with respect to fraud, 74 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: with respect to police, with respect to education that is 75 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: just not being communicated right now. 76 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, you just I was going to ask 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: you what those issues are and there we go, one, two, three. 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: How seriously do you think Minnesotans are taking this fraud situation? 79 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: You know, I hear just kind of anecdotally, some people 80 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: are livid and other people are like, that's government for you? 81 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: What what? What are you hearing? 82 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: I think the national attention that you and others have 83 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: brought to it has changed. It's been a sea change, 84 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: I think here in the last year. I think that 85 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: what I'm finding. You know, I'm down town Minneapolis, so 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: I spend half my time, you know, with people that 87 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: are not of the Republican Party. The amount of people 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: that I'm talking to with respected Democrats are hopping mad 89 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: about it right now, and they don't understand why Walls 90 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: has done zero about it. Over and over and over again, 91 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: and the more that keeps coming out, you know, just 92 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: yesterday now we're putting a pause on Adult Daycares now, 93 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: you know it just it seems like it's drip, drip, 94 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: drip everything that coming out right now. And I think 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: that that people are actually realizing the extent of this. 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: The thing that I was really taken aback by was 97 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: the Star Tribunes attempt to say that it was just 98 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: a couple hundred million dollars of fraud, which I think 99 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. I think it's Williams. 100 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: It is billions, and it could be one dollar, and 101 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: we should be pissed off. 102 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: I agreed, and that's why I just, you know, but 103 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: imagine the the decision making that went into doing an 104 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: article about that, in the face of an acting US 105 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: attorney saying that it's billions, he has access to grand 106 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: jury material, and yet they think that they can somehow 107 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: educate us on how much that this is all going 108 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: to be. It really is pretty it's pretty shocking to me. 109 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: But you know, I keep hearing some people say it's 110 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: like two or three. I honestly think it's north of ten. 111 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: I sincerely believe that, And I think that Once you 112 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: actually get in and start taking a look at some 113 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: of these spreadsheets, cross referencing the spreadsheets with known people 114 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: from Feeding Our Future and others, I think you're going 115 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: to find that this has really been rampant for a 116 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: long time and that we've been spending so much money 117 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: on fraud. And then I just talked to a chiropractor today. 118 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: I was finding out that on January first, he the 119 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: Medicaid reimbursement is going to be gone for adults with 120 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: respect to that, and that he got line on in veto. 121 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: And then I find that cops disability payments and firefighters 122 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: disability payments were just reduced by by the bipartisan legislature 123 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: this last time. 124 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: It's just and that is a result of the fact 125 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: that the money isn't there. Why why are those things happening? 126 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: I have no clue, especially when I'm talking about law 127 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: enforcement right now. I mean, we're having such a difficult 128 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: time recruiting with respect to law enforcement, and law enforcement 129 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: has been through so much right now in Minnesota. Why 130 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: they are choosing that time? And again, this is Republicans 131 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: and Democrats. This is not just Democrats that just did this. 132 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: It is astonishing to me, And that's, you know, among 133 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: the reasons. You know, I've been at this for about 134 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: two weeks and I've already got them in Aapolis Police 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Departments Federation endorsing me. And you know, I don't see 136 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: a lot of law enforcement flocking to any other candidate. 137 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: They know that I have their back. 138 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: How will you have their back if you're elected? 139 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: What can you do for them on day one? Well, 140 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: we say day one, but you know what I mean. 141 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: I know, as you're talked about, there's a number of things. 142 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: So first of all, when I represented Trooper Ryan Landrigan 143 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: and when he got a hero charged with murder, manslaughter 144 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: and first degree felony assault by Mary Moriarty, Walls dangled 145 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: that I'm going to take this prosecution away from Moriarty 146 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: and give it to Ellison. I knew that Ellison was 147 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: conflicted on that because he represented the state Patrol and 148 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: he was going to have to give it to another prosecutor. 149 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: But that's a Minnesota Statute eight point oh one. The 150 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: governor has the power to take away any criminal prosecution 151 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: from the county attorney, give it to the attorney general. 152 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: Then the attorney general usually will farm that out to 153 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: a former county attorney or an existing county attorney for prosecution. 154 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: If I see something like that happens with Mary Moriarty, again, 155 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: that's going to happen immediately after the officer is charged. 156 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: I understand youse of force. I've spoken to dozens of 157 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: use of force experts. These police officers are going to 158 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: know in this state that there's going to actually be 159 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: a governor that's going to have actually have their back 160 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: with respect to criminal prosecutions. And on that point, you know, 161 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association did a poll 162 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: and the number was over ninety percent. We're very concerned 163 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: or extremely concerned that they were going to be criminally 164 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: charged for doing something on the job. I mean that 165 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: is just a shocking number. 166 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: Actually, well we've seen it. I mean we see it happening. 167 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 2: Police are afraid to do their jobs. And the other 168 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: experience I think the police are seeing and this, you know, 169 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: again it's anecdotally, is you can find someone who has 170 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: robbed a store, stolen a car, and you know you're 171 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: going to put them in jail, They're going to be 172 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: processed and they're going to be out in three hours 173 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: or the next day. That has got to be exhausting 174 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: for police. 175 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: It is a rinse and repeat. And this is one 176 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: of the things. Next thing that I am really really 177 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: want to get past that I think is just common 178 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: sense legislation and that I don't understand why something hasn't 179 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: been done about it. But there if you read Minnesota 180 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: statutes about a felon in possession of a firearm, that 181 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: there is a quote unquote in state court a mandatory 182 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: minimum for a felon in possession of a firearm. But 183 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: the statute says that it's not a mandatory minimum if 184 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: the prosecutor or if the judge don't want it to 185 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: be a mandatory minimum. So guess what happens. There is 186 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: no there's never been a mandatory minimum. 187 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: So the monetary minimum is there except if someone doesn't 188 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: want it to be there, and then it's not there. 189 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 3: So there's no point to it. 190 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: And just to your point, Michelle, that imagine you are 191 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: encountering the same people, because again there's not a ton 192 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: of these really hardened criminals that are out in Minneso, 193 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: so we are talking about a relatively small group. But 194 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: from a police officers standpoint, you have these felons that 195 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: are in possession of guns, and they are turning right 196 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: back onto the streets within a couple of days after 197 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: they've been arrested, and nothing is happening to these people. 198 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: They just keep going through the system over and over. 199 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: How difficult that has to be for your line cop 200 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: to actually deal with. And you just when you add 201 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: that together with the Mary Moriartys and the Tim Wallasons 202 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: and the Keith Ellison's of the world, you just get 203 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: so disillusioned and you think that why am I doing 204 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: any of this? Why am I putting my butt on 205 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: the line to protect everybody when it looks like our 206 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: leaders don't care. And it's different. And that's one of 207 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: the reasons again that's really near and dear to my heart, 208 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: is that the support that I've had of law enforcement 209 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: has just been honestly, it's been overwhelming to me, and 210 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: it's been one of the frankly, of everything in my 211 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: legal career, one of the greatest achievements of my life. 212 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: And I just want them to know that there's not 213 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: going to be anybody that's going to have their back 214 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: more than Chris Maddel and I want to actually turn 215 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: it around the Twin Cities because this is the drug 216 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: hub for the rest of the state too. And to 217 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: the extent that we can start enforcing law here and 218 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: putting people behind bars where they belong, we can really 219 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: start improving not only downtown, not only with respective property values, 220 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: bringing business back, but we can also start improving the 221 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: fentanyl distribution, the met distribution that is going up to 222 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: places like the Midgie, et cetera, that is making those 223 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: communities so difficult to live in. 224 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: This brings me to the subject of ICE. We've got 225 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: ice officers again, immigration customs enforcement that the federal government 226 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: is deploying here to Minnesota. 227 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: They've done it to New. 228 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: Orleans County, Los Angeles, Chicago, various places. Is where they 229 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: feel there is a target rich environment for people who 230 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: are not here legally, particularly quote unquote the worst of 231 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: the worst. They're being characterized as the Gestapo by our 232 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: current governor. They're being characterized in all kinds of ways. 233 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: People may disagree with the methods, but there are laws 234 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: in place and they are, as far as I understand, 235 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: following the law. How would your administration deal with the 236 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: federal government in that way in terms of ICE and 237 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: the other ways that we can crack down on crime statewide. 238 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: I during my launch announcement, somebody asked me, and it 239 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: was more from a reporter that was very much kind 240 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: of anti ice. Law enforcement has to support law enforcement, 241 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: period and the thing that I am just honestly amazed by, 242 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: because you know, there's a lot of hypocrisy in politics, 243 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we know that this one, to me, though, 244 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: is off the chart. When I drive home frequently, especially 245 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: in the summer, and I go under a pedestrian bridge 246 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: under Louisiana Avenue in Golden Valley, there's almost always, especially 247 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: on Fridays, a sheet up there with some people and 248 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: it says, no kings follow the rule of law. But 249 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to immigration enforcement and they're actually trying 250 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: to arrest some of these pedophiles, arrest some of these 251 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: domestic violence convicted people, and they're actually trying to get 252 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: some of these horrible people off of our streets. They're 253 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: standing in front of law enforcement and it's as if 254 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: they're supporting. I very much in favor of the rule 255 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: of law, as long as you follow my rules. In 256 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: my laws, we are not living in a cafeteria plan. 257 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: With respect to the United States law, you don't get 258 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: a pick and choose which law you want to follow 259 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: and which ones you don't. And when these brave men 260 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: and women are out there and again calling these sorts 261 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: of people the gestopo is just beyond offensive to me. 262 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and I say, you know, I was born 263 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: and raised a Catholic, but you know, the when I 264 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: hear people doing these sorts of lazy analogies to the 265 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: Holocaust and the Nazis and that sort of thing, it 266 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: just shows me how ignorant some people are, that they 267 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: actually have no concept of what history is. But you know, 268 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: with respect to ICE enforcement in Minnesota, I'm honestly embarrassed 269 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: by how Minneapolis is approaching these people. I mean, when 270 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: when these agents are out there and again they're putting 271 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: their butts on their line for us. And I keep 272 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: reminding people we have two major drug enforcement agencies in federally. 273 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: The first one is the DEA. They do things frankly 274 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: within our borders, the Drug Enforcement Administration. The transnational one 275 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: is Immigrations and Customs enforcement, and that goes right to 276 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: that matter that they had on Heappatav a few months ago, 277 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: where everybody showed up in order to try to get 278 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: in the way of them. They were trying to do 279 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: a search warrant, effectuate a search warrant on a drug 280 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy and by the time that they got there because 281 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: there was nothing left in the apartment. I mean, who 282 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: are these people actually trying to protect? And again, I understand, 283 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, you get the TikTok mob that you know, 284 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: everybody kind of gets in their own little corner. But 285 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: I think that some of these people, it's just need 286 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: to kind of reflect on what it is it is 287 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: to be an American and what it is that we 288 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: need to actually be in this for all of us together. 289 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: And if they don't like immigration and customs enforcement, frankly, 290 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: then they need to vote out whomever they don't like, 291 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: or they need to get the law changed. But I'm 292 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: not going to sit here and listen to these people 293 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: repeatedly tell me what laws that they get a follow 294 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: and what laws we shouldn't. It's just it's outrageous. 295 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: Along those lines, I want to play for you this 296 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: piece of video that is making the rounds on the 297 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: internet because the Minneapolis Chief of Police, Brian O'Hara is 298 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: now comparing Mary and Joseph of you know, Jesus fame 299 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: to the people who are being. 300 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: Arrested by ice. Let's just listen to the tape. 301 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 302 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 4: It's especially personal to me, having been raised a Catholic, 303 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 4: to be in a Christian church this morning as we 304 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 4: are approaching Christmas, and I cannot help but think of 305 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: what is happening in our city today and how that 306 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: echoes with how outsiders have been treated for thousands of years. 307 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 4: How Mary and Joseph themselves were considered outsiders and forced 308 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: to stay in a barn. That's what we're getting ready 309 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 4: to commemorate as Christians around the world, while all of 310 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 4: this fear is happening right here in our town. 311 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 2: You know, I remember the Christmas story a little bit differently. 312 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: I think that they were going to register for the census, 313 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: and they had to go to this town where everyone 314 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: was going, and the inns were all closed, so someone 315 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: offered them a major because that was the only spot left. 316 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: That's what I remember. I don't remember them being outsiders. 317 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: I don't remember them being treated like they weren't loved. 318 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. The whole thing is ridiculous to me. 319 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: What did you make of that? 320 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: So I was born and raised a Catholic, I was 321 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: in Catholic school through fourth grade, and I was an 322 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: ultar boy through my senior year, and my memory of 323 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: the Bible is exactly the same as yours. So I 324 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: think the first thing that I would respectfully recommend to 325 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: Chief Oher is that maybe he should go read that 326 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: book one more time before he starts talking about it. 327 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: That's that's kind of number one. And number two. One 328 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: of the things that my priests taught me through Catechism 329 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: and before I got confirmed, and certainly through the entire 330 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: Catholic upbringing process is that you protect your neighbor at 331 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: all costs. That is number one. And you don't wait 332 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: for the police, You don't wait for anybody else. You 333 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: you protect your neighbors. And that's that is the number 334 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: one thing that we were taught as kids. When I 335 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: see people that are going out and arresting pedophiles, that 336 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: they're arresting murderers, they're arresting men that beat women, that 337 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: they're arresting rapists, and we're comparing those to Mary and Joseph, 338 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: it gives you a little insight into how wackadoodle Minneapolis 339 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: truly is. Right now, you know, it's been reported by 340 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: Alpha News that the person that's actually executing on the 341 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: policy of Minneapolis Police Department not helping ICE is the 342 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: number two person, Katie Blackwell, who sued Liz Collin when 343 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: I defended Liz Collin in that defamation case. And these 344 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: are the people that are leading us. And I can 345 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: tell you from because again I have been endorsed by 346 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: the MPD Federation. The line cops want to help. They 347 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: actually want to help ICE. They understand this. And this 348 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: is one of the dangers too that is out there 349 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: is that by not helping ICE, and this goes to 350 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: the sheriffs too, that they're requiring ICE to actually arrest 351 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: people outside of jails. So when they're not, when they 352 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: haven't been taken, when they've been taken into custody, ICE 353 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: is not being permitted to come into jails, and to 354 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: take these people into custody, they have to wait till 355 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: they've been released. 356 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, which it would be a whole lot safer and 357 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: a whole lot less disruptive rights. It's so counterintuitive, but 358 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: I think you and I both know. I think you 359 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: and I both know that if it were a President 360 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: Biden who ordered these ICE raids, there would. 361 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: Be no resistance to it. 362 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: It's it's the source of this order. I think that 363 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: as people losing their minds and pushing that resistance. You 364 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: talked about opening a book, opening the Bible. 365 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: Look, I saw that. I saw in your podcast where 366 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: you played clips of Clinton and Obama talking about immigration enforcement. 367 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: I saw on your podcast when they were doing that 368 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: and talking about we need to make sure that our 369 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: borders are secure and to get these people out. You've 370 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: played those things. I have, and now I mean, again, 371 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: what the hell happened? I mean, where did all that go? 372 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what today's Democratic Party is, particularly 373 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: in Minnesota right now. It has gone so far left 374 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: that frankly, people are thirsty for somebody to just come 375 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: in and talk about pragmatism and common sense and we 376 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: just need to get back to smart, reasonable people running 377 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: government rather than these wackadoos. 378 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: I would also say that people review some of the videos, 379 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 2: and I will try to say this without tearing up, 380 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 2: because I've been really emotion about Bondi Beach in Australia 381 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: and if people could look at those videos and look 382 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: at how people lay their lives on the line to 383 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: protect their friends, their citizens. These Jewish people that were 384 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: simply there to celebrate, and it was some immigrants that 385 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: were there that wreaked this horror on Sydney, Australia. Okay, 386 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: we're going to get away from that because I'm sorry 387 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: to get my let my emotions get in the way. 388 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: It's I feel the same way you do it. It's 389 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: the one of the honestly, one of the biggest things 390 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: that's caused me to reflect ever since October seven was 391 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: just the amount of anti Semitism that is prevalent in 392 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: our society and it is shocking to me. And I've 393 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: actually reached out to a number of my Jewish friends 394 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: and just apologize. I was just at a fundraiser this 395 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: morning and I just go up to them and apologize 396 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: for everything that's happening and what they must feel. But 397 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: when our college campus is right now, are more or 398 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: less supporting people that are behind palisine and doing nothing 399 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: with respect to supporting Jewish students. And again to talk 400 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: about hypocrisy, I mean all I saw the entire time 401 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: as the lead up after Hamas took everything, and so oh, 402 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: we need to have a cease fire. We need to 403 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: have a cease fire. The minute that the president achieves 404 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: a ceasefire crickets. I don't hear one person saying, oh, 405 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: thank god that that got accomplished, Thank God that that's there. 406 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't see one person saying that. And again, I 407 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: understand there's going to be some people that do not 408 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: like various things that the president says, but we need 409 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: to be able to give credit where credit is due. 410 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: And honestly, in my lifetime, I can't think of a 411 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: president that's done more and been more focused on global 412 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: peace and trying to stop wars than President Trump. I 413 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: can't think of one. 414 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: We've lost our minds, we've lost a little bit of 415 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: our moral compass, we've lost our sanity. 416 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: Let's get to education. This is a big one for 417 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: me as well. 418 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: You know, when I moved to Minnesota more than thirty 419 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: years ago, education was like one of the bragging rights 420 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: of this state. You know, everyone talked about how great 421 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: this school system was and this school district was, and 422 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: you can't go wrong in this school district. And now 423 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: we see kids and there's a story out of Hopkins, Minnesota, 424 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: which is a suburb of Minneapolis, where you know, the 425 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: reading and math are so abysmal, the rates that kids 426 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: can effectively read and do arithmetic, And where do you 427 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: start if you're the governor of Minnesota, where do you start. 428 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: It's when I was a kid and growing up, if 429 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: you were trying to tease somebody for being dumb, you 430 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: kind of said that they're from Iowa. But they were, 431 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, but as a kid, they were just a 432 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: little dope, just a little dope. If you wanted to 433 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: kind of go nuclear on the kid and say that 434 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: they were really really dumb, you said that they were 435 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: from Mississippi. That's where you are. 436 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: Remember that. 437 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mississippi now ninth in fourth grade reading proficiency or 438 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: thirty ninth. Mississippi actually started in twenty thirteen. They passed 439 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: a more or less a phonics Reading Act, and they 440 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: started holding back kids at third grade if they weren't 441 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: hitting third grade level, and they just excelled. And they're 442 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: a third cheaper than we are in dollars per pupil. 443 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: And one of the things I've said, and I can't 444 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: believe that I'm saying it because you're from here too, 445 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: is we need to do what Mississippi's doing. Mississippi is 446 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: teaching kids and they're actually succeeding at it cheaper than 447 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: what we are doing, and they're actually getting real concrete 448 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: results where we're spending more time with respect to the 449 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: classroom trying to teach kids what to think rather than 450 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: how to think. And I think we just need to 451 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: redo that focus. And I don't frankly think it's that 452 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: big of an ask either, But when you look at that, 453 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, from two thousand, staff has gone up one 454 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two percent. Teachers have gone up about 455 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: four percent, you know, in terms of the body count. 456 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: I mean in Minnesota, it's insane. But I just recently 457 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: saw a statistic. Two if you look at school counselors 458 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: in Minnesota and students person student counselor, we rank forty 459 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: eighth in the country right now. So two questions on 460 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: that one, who are all these staff? I mean, what 461 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: are they? Because they're not assistant principles or principals, they're 462 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: not included within that number. And then second, I just 463 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: saw the governor yesterday talking about gun violence, and oh 464 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: my god, you know, because that's pretty much where he's 465 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: got two or three issues that he can actually concentrate on. 466 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: Who better to identify problem youth into the future than 467 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: a school counselor, we're forty eight. I mean, the priorities 468 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: that we have in education right now are so backwards 469 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: and putting us so far back when places like Mississippi 470 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: start beating us. And the thing that they keep reminding everybody, 471 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: you're currently being led by a teacher. 472 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I question his credentials constantly. But I will 473 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: say this to you anecdotally. I tried to become a 474 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: reading tutor in Minnesota because I had a lot of 475 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 2: extra time, and I thought, you know, post COVID, there 476 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: are kids that need to learn, just need to learn 477 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: how to read. I'll talk to any kid anywhere, send 478 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: me so, but you've got to go through this training process, 479 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: right And the training process was not about how will 480 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: you sit down with the kid and teach them to read? 481 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 2: It was about implicit bias. It was about they said, okay, they. 482 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: Showed a chart. 483 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: I kid, you not on this zoom thing, this zoom meeting. 484 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: They showed a chart black and blank, man and blank, 485 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: salt and blank, peanut butter and blank. Let's fill in 486 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 2: the blanks. Well, naturally you're gonna say salt and pepper, peanut. 487 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 3: Butter and jelly. Why is that that you're implicit bias. 488 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: And I this was the emphasis of the ninety minutes. 489 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: I hung in there, Chris for as long as I could, 490 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: because I thought I can get past this. 491 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 3: I just want to help a kid. 492 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 2: Then they started telling me that I needed to honor 493 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: the kid's gender preference and they might not look like me. 494 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: And it was this twenty two year old college girl 495 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: telling me how to tutor a kid in reading purely 496 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: based on identity politics, implicit bias. The reason kids don't 497 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: read the same is because of their color of their skin, 498 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: and we have had white supremacy involved, and that's why 499 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: these kids can't read. 500 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 3: It was brutal. I finally just off of the Zoom 501 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 3: call because I thought there's no way I can work 502 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: with this organization. 503 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: So we need to also as a state that you 504 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: notice there's a phrase that gets thrown around with education 505 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: in Minnesota, and it's this, let's fully fund education. 506 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: What the hell does that mean? Exactly? Excuse my language. 507 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: I don't know what it means. There's no benchmark, there's 508 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: no dollar amount. It's just it's like this never ending. 509 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: We got a fully fund that just simply means we 510 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 2: need more, We need more, we need more. 511 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 3: And where does it go? 512 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 2: And why if we are trying to spend more money 513 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: are the results so awful? 514 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, no better example than that in Mississippi. I mean, 515 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: they're spending less than they're accomplishing more. And bless you 516 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: for doing that, Michelle, I mean, bless you for doing that, 517 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean, and bless you for even just staying in 518 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: one of those things for thirty minutes only. 519 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 5: It's awesome. 520 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: You didn't get was a land acknowledgment of the land 521 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: that you were saying on? 522 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that may have happened early in the beginning. 523 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't remember, probably did you know? But there again, 524 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, how bad are our priorities right now? When 525 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: when when we're sitting here thirty ninth in fourth grade 526 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: reading proficiency, you have volunteers wanting to help on that 527 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: that are being more or less shoved away because you 528 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: need to learn all this bias training. If you look, 529 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: correlation and causation are not the same thing with respect 530 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: to all these race based things that they want to 531 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: show you. If you want to show the number one, 532 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: you know indicator that has the highest statistical correlation between 533 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: education levels, it's poverty. It is money. The more that 534 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: we can lift people out of poverty, the better their 535 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: education is going to be. You do that by making 536 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: sure that that single mothers and by you know, young 537 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: couples are not saddled with hundreds and thousands of dollars 538 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: of tax for going and working and being incentivized to 539 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: stay home. 540 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: And incentivized to stay home. 541 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: Remember that, people, it matters because there are there's this 542 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: massive gap between when you get benefits right because you're 543 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: not making enough, and then you start to try to 544 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: make more because you want to make more money so 545 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: you can give your family a better life. Well, then 546 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: the benefits drop off, so now you're incentivised to go, well, 547 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't work those extra hours. I'll just stay 548 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: home and collect the benefits. 549 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: It's insane. 550 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: My brother is a small business owner specifically has told 551 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: me about people that have said I can't have that 552 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: many hours because it's going to trigger the point where 553 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to either have to pay my loans back 554 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: or I'm not going to be able to qualify for 555 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: my housing correct And we are literally putting these incentive 556 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: for people to stay at home and stand poverty. And 557 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: then on top of that, I've represented a number of 558 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: affordable housing businesses. They are leaving and have left the 559 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: state of Minnesota because of how the minisiot to Housing 560 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: Finance Agency treats them. That they are saying, they're making 561 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: it so unpalatable for them to be able to conduct 562 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: business here. They're saying, screw it, I'm going to another state. 563 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: These and some of these affordable housing places. There's one 564 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: literally in St. Anthony, Maine. It's an artist loft. This 565 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 1: is premiere property with a view of the city right 566 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: across there. They're saying, forget it, I'm done. And stainless 567 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: steel appliances, granite countertops, everything in there. They don't want 568 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: to have anything to do with this because of how 569 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: difficult housing is getting in Minnesota and how the Walls 570 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: administration is treating them. But this has been building year 571 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: after year. I'm sorry to get my soapbox, but this 572 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: is among the reasons that I'm running. Nobody's doing anything 573 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: about this. All they ever do is complain, and we 574 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: just have to actually accomplish something here. 575 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: Before I let you go. 576 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: A last thing I want to say is because you know, 577 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: why is Minnesota worth saving? I mean, listen, I remember 578 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: when I moved here. When I saw my first spring, 579 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: I remember all the things that I loved about this place. 580 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: And then you know, obviously met my husband and we 581 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: raise our family here. You obviously want to save Minnesota. 582 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: I want to save Minnesota. Tell our audience why it's 583 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: worth saving. 584 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: Oh, the people, the people that I grew up with, 585 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: the people that are my friends and neighbors. And there 586 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: is something different, as you well know about being in Minnesota. 587 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: There's just something different. I mean, you know, Prince once 588 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: said that you know that the cold keeps away the 589 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: bad people. Apparently that's kind of changed now, you know. 590 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: And and there are a number of bad people. But 591 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: if we can go after these bad people aggressively, we 592 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: can bring this back. We can bring back that Minnesota 593 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: that you and I love so much. But the weather here, 594 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: the people, it is just a phenomenal place to live 595 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: and to raise a family. We've just gotten off track. 596 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: We can we can change this going forward. And I 597 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: think that if we communicate this message well enough. There 598 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: are so many people in the suburbs that see this. 599 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: They really want to be able to vote for a 600 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: Republican they really do, and it's just simply a matter 601 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: of bringing them into the fold and communicating a message 602 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: that tells them these priorities. You know, when you're talking, 603 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about fraud, you're talking about safe streets, education, 604 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: cost of living, and right size in the government. I've 605 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: said this before, I'll say it again. I do not 606 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: understand why those are political. Those are at core Minnesotan 607 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: and we have just lost our way. But you know, 608 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: you know as well as I do this. There was 609 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: not a debate for me to come back after law school. 610 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: This is this is the greatest state that there is. 611 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: And I'm not leaving here. I'm not leaving your damn 612 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: sure without a fight. 613 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: I and every podcast Chris by saying be brave and 614 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: do good. And I've said this to everyone who's running 615 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 2: this is. 616 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: This is the truth. 617 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: It takes courage to run for and it's clearly because 618 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 2: you want to. 619 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 3: Do some good. So I commend you on both of 620 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: those things. 621 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: I think we have one more candidate we still have 622 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 2: to interview to complete this series, but I so appreciate 623 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: your time today. He is Chris Maddel And you've seen 624 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: on the screen there how you can go and but 625 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 2: if you want to say it verbally, how people can 626 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: find you so that if they're just they're listening at Spotify, 627 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: go ahead. 628 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: It's metalfogovernor dot com. And seriously, Michelle, thank you so 629 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: much for everything that you've done with respect to your podcast. 630 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, obviously a listener and a watcher 631 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: with respect to what you do, and you really have 632 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: advanced the ball tremendously for on behalf of the truth 633 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. 634 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 2: That's all we can try to do. It's all I 635 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: can hope to do. It's let's hope. So but thank 636 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: you again for your time, Chris. Check them out and 637 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: check out our entire series with these governor interviews. The 638 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 2: field is ten now and we'll see what happens after 639 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: the new year. Chris Maddel, thank you very much. 640 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 5: Thank you, Michelle. 641 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: You can keep up with the Trump administration when you 642 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: subscribe to the Trump Report. It's an email that brings 643 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 2: you daily highlights from the Oval Office right to your inbox, 644 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: five days a week. Subscribe today at Salempodcastnetwork dot com, 645 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: slash Trump