Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to doing all those old podcasts.
Speaker 1: And let me begin by saying, Happy Mother's Day. It's
Speaker 1: all you moms out there. We were recording this on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I know you're getting it at least on Wednesday at
Speaker 1: the earliest, but Happy Mother's Day. It's all you wonderful
Speaker 1: moms out there. How has your Mother's Day been, mama?
Speaker 1: As we were joined by Melissa and Novelo this weeks
Speaker 1: behind that.
Speaker 2: But who made me a mother?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How was your Mother's Day? Morning?
Speaker 2: Mama? It was good. It was very enjoyable. The family
Speaker 2: got me flowers. They made me the sweetest video. I
Speaker 2: wanted to share it, and then it was like, I
Speaker 2: made it for you. I'll probably still share it because
Speaker 2: it was so good.
Speaker 1: Where are you going to share it?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think maybe over on Good Simple Living.
Speaker 1: I feel bad because I told the kids, like, no,
Speaker 1: it's just for mom, So no, I feel bad.
Speaker 2: If I want to it's so.
Speaker 1: Good, you can discuss it with them.
Speaker 2: Okay, if the kids are cool with it, I'll share it.
Speaker 1: We snuck in. I snuck every child here into the
Speaker 1: podcast through yesterday, one by one.
Speaker 2: You're sneaky and.
Speaker 1: They all gave like this, like really cool testimonial expressing
Speaker 1: their love and gratitude and appreciation for Melissa. Eli even
Speaker 1: got emotional. I told you he was denying it, but
Speaker 1: he got emotional. I came back in here after he
Speaker 1: was done talking, and he was all, well done.
Speaker 2: Eli is He's a man of few words, So that's
Speaker 2: really I.
Speaker 1: Thought he did a really good job though. He was
Speaker 1: an extra articulate and I thought he was very transparent
Speaker 1: about the way he he you know, feels smarty.
Speaker 2: Really thankful for the food and thank you for feeding
Speaker 2: out dinners. Yeah, he's so cute.
Speaker 1: But we have a Nevella in here this week. It's
Speaker 1: been a while since we've had Neva in here.
Speaker 3: Has been actually, don't remember the last time.
Speaker 1: What's new in your life, Nevllah.
Speaker 3: Lots of work. We've been working on a new project
Speaker 3: Mom and I. So that's been that's been a new venture.
Speaker 3: It's taken up a bit of time. Yeah, So it's fun,
Speaker 3: pretty pretty fun. Got some new opportunities coming up soon
Speaker 3: because of it.
Speaker 1: So we're going to be making that formal announcement here today, correct,
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, let's just preview the
Speaker 1: rest of the episode because our family kind of got
Speaker 1: rocked by something that was completely unforeseen this week, involving
Speaker 1: something that we have discussed with you guys on here previously,
Speaker 1: with an old pediatrician that we had back over in
Speaker 1: Washington State. We'll dive into that. It is somewhat dark,
Speaker 1: so I feel like it's kind of a weird transition
Speaker 1: to be making, but worth bringing up and just you know,
Speaker 1: it's something that I think is going to be valuable
Speaker 1: hopefully to a lot of you out there, because the
Speaker 1: patient doctor trust and that relationship is something that unfortunately
Speaker 1: was exploited in this case and it's ballooned into this
Speaker 1: massive controversy. So we'll dive into that. But before we
Speaker 1: get there, what are we announcing here, ladies?
Speaker 2: Okay, So Navan and I are partnering. Last year I
Speaker 2: wrote Made to Be Ludo Shameless Fun. You guys were
Speaker 2: so great in supporting that. We raised eighty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: for pediatric cancer, and then we wanted to do another book,
Speaker 2: and so I decided that I wanted to write it
Speaker 2: with the person who made a Mother, which is Nevella,
Speaker 2: and I think that it's been a really fun project
Speaker 2: so far. The title of our book is called Tiny Human,
Speaker 2: Tiny Human. Do you want to talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about what tiny Human is about? Sure?
Speaker 3: So. Tiny Human is the story of basically a baby's
Speaker 3: journey through development, starting in the womb. He is speaking
Speaker 3: throughout the book with the gentle voice who is God,
Speaker 3: his creator. It goes from the flash of light, the
Speaker 3: zinc flash that starts at the moment of conception, to
Speaker 3: the baby being born and throughout the whole thing. It
Speaker 3: shows all the stages of development. It shows kids, you know,
Speaker 3: what's happening in utero, how these babies are developing, and
Speaker 3: it talks about how you know, no matter how little
Speaker 3: tiny human is, he has a special purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were really careful to not make the
Speaker 2: book scientific or medical. We want it to be a
Speaker 2: sweet story book. So it's a really sweet story about
Speaker 2: this tiny human as he conversates with his creator and
Speaker 2: he's got this huge personnel and he's really excited about
Speaker 2: every stage. So it's not like at nine weeks so
Speaker 2: this is it's not like that. It's clinical. It's a
Speaker 2: sweet little story and it is just about the humanity
Speaker 2: of the preborn. I think that the illustrations are coming
Speaker 2: together really nicely. We are going I think nineteen twenties vintage,
Speaker 2: so it's got that vintage very like Water Babies. Yes, old,
Speaker 2: it's an old Disney cartoon.
Speaker 1: Okay, back it up.
Speaker 2: It's adorable. It's really cute. So if you were around
Speaker 2: in the eighties and having babies those old vintage baby
Speaker 2: shower cards, it's that kind of feel. So I love
Speaker 2: bringing back the old because our kids just kind of
Speaker 2: gravitate towards all that old stuff. They really, you know,
Speaker 2: like the cuby doll meets Precious Moments. It's going to
Speaker 2: be so cute. And our prayer for the book is
Speaker 2: that it touches the hearts of little kids that are
Speaker 2: reading it, so that they can read Tiny Human when
Speaker 2: they're a little child, and then when they're older, maybe
Speaker 2: a decade or two decades later, if they ever find
Speaker 2: themselves in a situation with maybe an unplanned pregnancy, they
Speaker 2: will remember Tiny Human and the humanity that is inside
Speaker 2: the womb. Because we're trying to combat with the book
Speaker 2: the lie in the narrative that it's not a life,
Speaker 2: and so that's our hope for the book. It's just
Speaker 2: a clump of cells, right, and so Tiny human is
Speaker 2: far from it, and so that is our hope for
Speaker 2: the book, and then we're making it a charity project,
Speaker 2: just like we did with Made to Be Ludo. So
Speaker 2: we are going to be giving a large portion of
Speaker 2: the royalties to women's clinics that are going to be
Speaker 2: supporting women for the first two years after they give
Speaker 2: birth and before they give birth as well. And that
Speaker 2: goes for pregnancy testing, ultrasounds, medical care, education, baby clothing, diapers, formula,
Speaker 2: anything that they need, even childcare costs. So the plan
Speaker 2: is to make motherhood possible for these women.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's an important thing that we need
Speaker 3: to focus on in the pro life movement, protecting babies,
Speaker 3: saving babies, but also supporting the mothers who may have
Speaker 3: been abortion minded and don't feel like they have that
Speaker 3: support or the means to make motherhood possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super important.
Speaker 1: You sort of accidentally let this slip recently. You want
Speaker 1: to talk about your experience down at the University of Idaho.
Speaker 2: It wasn't accidental. Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Was trying to get us on a podcast the way.
Speaker 2: I did talk to the producer the next day, and
Speaker 2: so we have to explain.
Speaker 1: So you went down to the University of Idaho for.
Speaker 3: A It was a TPUs TPUSA campus event in collapse
Speaker 3: with Daily Wire. So it was Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles.
Speaker 3: You guys had Matt on your podcast, but we've never
Speaker 3: never spoken to Michael, and I really want to be
Speaker 3: on a show and when we do a book tour
Speaker 3: that is still we're still in the process of coming
Speaker 3: up with our dates and everything. We're going to be
Speaker 3: going on some podcasts.
Speaker 1: And so I know, Michael to some of you out there,
Speaker 1: actually saw Navah. She went like live up to the
Speaker 1: micro of an auditorium of how many people It.
Speaker 2: Was like two thousand people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nervous. I couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: Terrified. You could hear it a little bit in your voice. Terrified.
Speaker 1: So you went up there. You you basically dropped that that, yeah,
Speaker 1: Matt had been here on the podcast or unto the show,
Speaker 1: and that you were writing a book with Mom.
Speaker 3: It broke down, uh what the book was about, and
Speaker 3: that we were planning on being in the Daily Wire
Speaker 3: studio later and I was like, hey, Matt, we love Michael.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we would have to be on your show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it was like I said yes, he said that
Speaker 2: he would bring cigars, so apparently in the van, I
Speaker 2: need to smoke cigars.
Speaker 1: I'm on board, So we'll see if that.
Speaker 2: We'll see if that materializes. But it was pretty cool
Speaker 2: shameless plug. So we're really excited about the book. I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be really sweet. It's it's got potential
Speaker 2: to do some pretty incredible things. And we are opening
Speaker 2: pre orders today, so the book officially launches October. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so the book officially launches October tenth, and so they
Speaker 2: won't ship until October. But preorders are so helpful, just
Speaker 2: like they were with me to be Ludo, because it
Speaker 2: helps us know how many we need. And there's also
Speaker 2: going to be a corresponding plush. So a lot of
Speaker 2: you guys got the Ludo plush, but as you know,
Speaker 2: they ran out in I think October, and so anybody
Speaker 2: that was wanting to buy for Christmas, they were sold out,
Speaker 2: and I think these plush are going to sell out
Speaker 2: also very he's like a fat bottomed lamb.
Speaker 1: I like this better than the Ludo.
Speaker 2: He's stinking cute. So we're still working on getting his
Speaker 2: fabric just right. We're very very particular. He's also going
Speaker 2: to have a heartbeat in him to remind kids of
Speaker 2: the sweet there's a heartbeat the yes, it corresponds with
Speaker 2: the book and then the little lamb is in the
Speaker 2: book as well, so it all it all goes together,
Speaker 2: so it'll be a sweet little gift set. You can
Speaker 2: buy just a book, or you can buy the gift set. Also,
Speaker 2: you could donate a lamb and book combo set, just
Speaker 2: like how we donated Made to Be Luto sets to
Speaker 2: cancer warriors. These ones are going to go to a
Speaker 2: baby and a mother who chose life. So we're going
Speaker 2: to be partnering with a company called Save the Storks.
Speaker 2: They have one hundred and twenty mobile units and they
Speaker 2: go around and they do free pregnancy testing and free
Speaker 2: altsounds for women who can't afford it or are maybe
Speaker 2: abortion minded, and they will literally go and park outside
Speaker 2: of some of these clinics and try to get women
Speaker 2: come over here and let us just do a free altarsound.
Speaker 2: And history has proven with the one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: units that when they do an ultrasound and a mother
Speaker 2: hears their baby's heartbeat and sees what's on the screen
Speaker 2: and sees what their baby actually looks like. Seven out
Speaker 2: of ten times they will choose life, even though they
Speaker 2: were walking into the clinic to end the life of
Speaker 2: the child. And then when they do that ultrasound, they're
Speaker 2: going to give the children or the gift the mothers
Speaker 2: for their baby the Levey. So the Levey and the
Speaker 2: book if you buy a donation set, will be literally
Speaker 2: the first gift that this baby is going to ever receive,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be the first thing that this
Speaker 2: mother is given. And just there's something physical about having
Speaker 2: a stuffed animal and a little book for that baby
Speaker 2: that will help encourage these mothers that this baby is coming,
Speaker 2: he or she is very real and loved and help
Speaker 2: them to embrace the new life that's inside of them.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I think it's a great cause. Very
Speaker 1: proud of you both for taking this on and doing it.
Speaker 1: Melissa has been or both of you really behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: This has been, once again just weekly meetings. I'm going
Speaker 1: back and forth with different illustrators and the crazy no.
Speaker 1: But it's very involved, the whole process of writing a book,
Speaker 1: and we learned this last summer you did with the
Speaker 1: writing of Made Me Ludo. It's it's very, very involved
Speaker 1: and so credits to you both for taking this on
Speaker 1: and incorporating it into such a worthy cause. I think
Speaker 1: it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, super exciting. It's super exciting.
Speaker 1: I thought about the backstory of like how you got
Speaker 1: here with this real quick, because that was really interesting.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about your dream? Yeah, So when
Speaker 2: I I had baby Micah, I think he was I
Speaker 2: was writing Made to be Ludo. I know he'll always
Speaker 2: be baby Micah. When I was writing Made to Be Ludo,
Speaker 2: I was pregnant, and then when he was born, like
Speaker 2: we really got things rolling, and I signed on with
Speaker 2: Brave Books, and I think we were about a week
Speaker 2: and too writing Made to Be Ludo, and I was
Speaker 2: sleeping and right next to my baby, and I had
Speaker 2: this vivid dream, like the most vivid dream I've ever had,
Speaker 2: about writing a book called Tiny Human and like that
Speaker 2: was the title of the book, and it was this
Speaker 2: cute little baby and it was all about just the
Speaker 2: humanity of the child in the womb, and everything was
Speaker 2: basically given to me. And this dream down to what
Speaker 2: is said on the last page. The last page was
Speaker 2: really vivid, exactly what it needed to say, title everything
Speaker 2: for it. So I called Brave that morning, and I said,
Speaker 2: I got to talk to you. I got to write
Speaker 2: this book. I had this dream and I'm not somebody
Speaker 2: that's like, oh God speaks to me in dreams and everything,
Speaker 2: but this was so vivid. Woke up and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I have to write this. I called my mom. I
Speaker 2: told you about it, like I have to write tiny Human.
Speaker 2: And they tried to talk me to different titles and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, tiny Human.
Speaker 1: This has been sticking to her guns on this one.
Speaker 2: It has to be this, and I know, like the ending.
Speaker 2: We kind of went back and forth with different people.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, well, maybe we could change this word.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, this is how this book has to be,
Speaker 2: and so Brave said, yeah, let's do it. Let's I mean,
Speaker 2: first he was like, can we get the first book out?
Speaker 2: And I need you at the start of Made to
Speaker 2: Be Ludo. Yeah, So I've been sitting on this project
Speaker 2: for a year now, and as soon as Made to
Speaker 2: Be Ludo was out, I'm like, Tiny Human, let's go.
Speaker 2: And so we just got right to work on it.
Speaker 2: And then I wanted to write it with Nevella because
Speaker 2: I mean, she's, like, I said, the one who made
Speaker 2: me a mother, And when Jeremy and I were dating
Speaker 2: and we hadn't been dating that long, we ended up
Speaker 2: pregnant with Navella. We've talked about this before and although
Speaker 2: that is not the easiest road to take, and there
Speaker 2: was so much fear and anxiety and unknowns around that
Speaker 2: because it wasn't the best time for us. Really are
Speaker 2: you talking about We had only been dating a little while,
Speaker 2: we had recently moved in together, I know, And then
Speaker 2: I was just I was so in some wild at
Speaker 2: oats at the time, like I was out of college, and.
Speaker 1: We were just, Okay, you're not setting a great example
Speaker 1: for your nearly twenty year old daughter.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, do as I say, not as
Speaker 2: I do. No, we've talked about all this as a family,
Speaker 2: about how that's not the ideal way to start out
Speaker 2: in life. And so anyway it worked out. She's sitting here, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So we ended up pregnant, and I remember thinking like,
Speaker 2: there's no way I could be pregnant because I've never
Speaker 2: been pregnant before, Like that's never happened before, Like there's
Speaker 2: no way. There's such a disconnect when you get pregnant
Speaker 2: for the first time, when you first get that, like.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Now when I say that I'm pregnant, you're like babies coming.
Speaker 2: But the first time, there's like this huge disconnected like
Speaker 2: there's no way.
Speaker 1: This is for men in this situation too, though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just is you're more you know, you're you're carrying
Speaker 1: the child. So it's there's a disconnect from man up
Speaker 1: until the point of like really showing I.
Speaker 2: Think, right, But it's especially the first.
Speaker 1: Time, especially the first time. Yeah, especially, I mean this
Speaker 1: sounds bad, like you're kind of in denial. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest at these I was my experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was scary and we I had a
Speaker 2: lot of debt. I had a lot of student loan debt.
Speaker 2: I was one month into my first teaching job. And
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't even want to tell you because
Speaker 2: I didn't think you would be like happy about it.
Speaker 2: I did not want to tell my parents. Came from
Speaker 2: a very conservative Christian family. Did not want to tell
Speaker 2: my grandparents. That was even worse. You didn't want to tell.
Speaker 1: Your dad, Like there was terrified.
Speaker 2: It was very scary and I was never abortion minded,
Speaker 2: but I understood in that time how you could be
Speaker 2: so scared and so nervous, and so in denial.
Speaker 1: All the pressures are overwhelming, and you just wanted.
Speaker 2: To go away, right, I just wanted to go away.
Speaker 2: So I'm very glad that we didn't make it go away.
Speaker 2: But I understand now that I've had an unplanned pregnancy
Speaker 2: at a very inopportune time, how fear and anxiety can
Speaker 2: overwhelm you and then you walk into that clinic or
Speaker 2: you order those pills and you just make it go away.
Speaker 2: And so I think that that was a really powerful
Speaker 2: thing that both of us, you know, you and I
Speaker 2: went through, because now it's not like, oh, we got
Speaker 2: married and we had this perfect little house and the
Speaker 2: white pick of fence and then we decided to start trying,
Speaker 2: and then that wasn't our story. And I think there's
Speaker 2: power in that when we want to reach the hearts
Speaker 2: and the minds of young women, because it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I've been there, and flash forward twenty years, like this
Speaker 2: is how this story can turn out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a challenge to convey that to a young woman, though,
Speaker 1: I think because we're you know, we're older, and she's
Speaker 1: here and we're like, yeah, everything worked out great, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's hard to really pound home like, hey,
Speaker 1: we've been in your shoes. We understand, and you know,
Speaker 1: we understand not the temptation, but we understand. Word is
Speaker 1: that your mind goes when you're in that state of panic.
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Just think it's really hard when you have somebody that
Speaker 2: did everything perfectly and they've been married and they have
Speaker 2: like this supportive husband that's really excited about welcoming a baby,
Speaker 2: and then there's telling you like you have to be
Speaker 2: pro life. They're like, you don't know anything about my situation.
Speaker 2: You don't You've never been where I've been. You don't
Speaker 2: feel this fear. Yeah. So I feel like it equipped
Speaker 2: us for this project, and I think it's really equipped
Speaker 2: a VA for the project as well, because this is
Speaker 2: something you're super passionate about and you were that child
Speaker 2: who's very ill prepared, young dumb parents chose life on
Speaker 2: when the.
Speaker 1: Van came back from the turning point. Thing I was
Speaker 1: that you made me sound horrible.
Speaker 2: No, No, you are a very supportive partner, but like
Speaker 2: you were really scared too, and this was yeah, but
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you thial.
Speaker 1: You never came up at the time, though it was
Speaker 1: never serious consideration for all us fortunately. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a great message to put out there,
Speaker 1: float out there for young women to hope the book
Speaker 1: takes off and thrives. You guys have a true genuine
Speaker 1: passion for this issue, and I think it's fantastic that
Speaker 1: you're putting it in the form of a book that's
Speaker 1: that's very accessible and easy to digest. And it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily specifically about abortion.
Speaker 2: It's not about abortion, not at all. It's yeah, it
Speaker 2: doesn't mention abortion. Tiny Human wasn't destined for abortion. It's
Speaker 2: nothing like that.
Speaker 1: It's adorable, is adorable with with the renderings and all
Speaker 1: the illustrations that I've seen thus far. So credit to
Speaker 1: you guys for pouring your all. It's very proud of
Speaker 1: you both.
Speaker 2: So we're going to have we'll have a link down
Speaker 2: below if you guys want to pre order. It does
Speaker 2: us a huge favor if you think you're going to
Speaker 2: want this book, or you want to donate a book,
Speaker 2: if even if you don't have a child or grandchild,
Speaker 2: then and it makes a really great big brother, big
Speaker 2: sister book also because it just helps little kids see
Speaker 2: like what's going on with our new brother and sister,
Speaker 2: and so I think it's going to be really great.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a link down below to pre order,
Speaker 2: or you can just go to any human book at
Speaker 2: dot com and put in your pre orders now. And
Speaker 2: that just helps us a lot to know how many
Speaker 2: plushes we need, because you do not want us to
Speaker 2: sell out of the big bottom lamb before you can
Speaker 2: get your hand on one. Trust me, you want one.
Speaker 2: He's got eyelids, he's very few. He's sold out a lot.
Speaker 1: They did, they did. He looks I like him better
Speaker 1: than the movie, like I said, horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're excited, all right. So that was all of
Speaker 2: our good news and our exciting news. Now we have
Speaker 2: to get into a much harder topic something. If you
Speaker 2: do have little ones watching, I would recommend maybe.
Speaker 1: Hitt and pause, hitt and pause, or removing them from
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is kind of a more of an adult
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Speaker 1: So you referenced previously on a past episode about this
Speaker 1: running that you had with a certain pediatrician back in
Speaker 1: Washington State and the interaction made you extremely uncomfortable. I
Speaker 1: don't know if any of you out there recall that
Speaker 1: you want to jump into what it is that we've
Speaker 1: learned here in recent weeks regarding this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Navana is this guy. Unfortunately also so I
Speaker 2: I was scrolling the internet and I saw an article
Speaker 2: pop up from our old stomping ground over in Vancouver, Washington,
Speaker 2: and it said pediatrician found dead a parent side after
Speaker 2: basically allegations of him being a I don't even want
Speaker 2: to use some of these words.
Speaker 1: So he's a pediatrician took his own life, and all
Speaker 1: this came about because an investigation was initiated looking into
Speaker 1: his past conduct where he was really exploiting the trust
Speaker 1: of parents and children for the sake of satisfying his
Speaker 1: own sexual desires. That's pretty that's as safe and plain
Speaker 1: as I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So as soon as I saw the headline, I
Speaker 2: knew it was him because I had to file the complaint,
Speaker 2: multiple complaints against him, and got online and filed you know,
Speaker 2: like one star review and was trying to warn people
Speaker 2: about this guy, and I was soon were upset about
Speaker 2: it back in twenty nineteen when we saw him and
Speaker 2: I knew it was him as soon as I saw
Speaker 2: the headline and I clicked on it, and sure enough
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Can you get a little background insight in the safest
Speaker 1: way possible that this is going online?
Speaker 2: Well, so you can read about the case. And I
Speaker 2: think a lot more is going to be discovered, because
Speaker 2: just yesterday or the day before, a third person was
Speaker 2: just arrested in connection. So I think this goes way
Speaker 2: deeper than any of us know yet, and more is
Speaker 2: going to be coming to light.
Speaker 1: It's into this giant mess of the thing that's like
Speaker 1: a Dayline NBC episode.
Speaker 2: Yes. Wait, so essentially there was an IP address that
Speaker 2: was pinged by whoever was whoever does these child crimes
Speaker 2: and they found all of this what is it called?
Speaker 2: What's ABBREVIATIONCP. I don't want to I'm trying to be
Speaker 2: careful with terms so that we don't get this whole
Speaker 2: episode blocked. But there was an IP address that was
Speaker 2: connected to CP and they found out that person was
Speaker 2: an administrator on the dark Web for distributing this stuff,
Speaker 2: and then they arrest him and through discovery they discovered
Speaker 2: that he is connected to this pediatrician whose name is
Speaker 2: Michael Wilmington. And Michael Wilmington and him met at Naked Bowling,
Speaker 2: So apparently they are all part of this newdest community.
Speaker 2: And Vancouver or surrounding areas have been hosting different naked events,
Speaker 2: like in Portland they do the naked bike ride, absolutely ridiculous,
Speaker 2: it's completely perverted. They do where they ride the bus naked.
Speaker 2: They all ride community transits.
Speaker 1: It's a wonder that we moved to Idaho.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it's absolutely disgusting because like the
Speaker 2: kind of people that participate in this stuff like should
Speaker 2: not be sitting naked on anything.
Speaker 1: They advertise these things as and we've touched upon this
Speaker 1: before too. We've talked about this too. It's like a
Speaker 1: family event.
Speaker 2: They encourage families to go and they make kids free,
Speaker 2: so the bowling is a family friendly, it says, And
Speaker 2: so they're trying to encourage people to bring their children
Speaker 2: to naked bowling with all of these clearer I mean,
Speaker 2: these are predators, clearly. And then there was also naked
Speaker 2: Family swim where you could go swimming and the kids
Speaker 2: are free, and I mean, it's just so sick. So anyway,
Speaker 2: this pediatrician was part of this community. I had no
Speaker 2: idea that he was part of the community, but through
Speaker 2: reading the comments on the articles his other patients did,
Speaker 2: they said that he was very open about being a
Speaker 2: nudist and they were like, we thought it was a
Speaker 2: little weird, but we don't judge people what they do
Speaker 2: outside of work, and.
Speaker 1: It all makes sense. And you had to run with
Speaker 1: his pediatrician, and without getting too dark on the details,
Speaker 1: what was your impression of the interaction that you had
Speaker 1: with him, because he was asking you some pretty uncomfortable questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so mom brought us all to an appointment that
Speaker 3: was for Kimani because Kimanie was having some bloody noses.
Speaker 3: So she took him and he just insisted on trying
Speaker 3: to have an appointment with all of the children that
Speaker 3: were brought into the room, and I remember a whole
Speaker 3: kind of altercation, verbal altercation, about giving me a vaccine
Speaker 3: that's for gardasil.
Speaker 2: The gards vaccine is for HPV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like eleven or twelve years old,
Speaker 3: so clearly didn't need that. And I remember remarks being
Speaker 3: made about how no, she needs it, she needs it,
Speaker 3: and she's gonna get stuff.
Speaker 2: And your naive she needs it.
Speaker 3: And then when he was trying to get me alone
Speaker 3: in the room so he could speak to me and
Speaker 3: perform a physical, and was trying to aggressively pressure mom
Speaker 3: and my siblings into leaving the room so the male
Speaker 3: doctor could perform a physical when I was not the
Speaker 3: patient that he was there.
Speaker 1: To see a physical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, physical, And also he said he wanted to speak
Speaker 2: to her about things, and then he tried saying that
Speaker 2: it was Washington state law that a mother or father
Speaker 2: must leave the room for their children if like asked.
Speaker 2: She was very aggressive and I said, look, I am
Speaker 2: not leaving this room and we're not even here for her,
Speaker 2: and he was like, I need to ask her some questions.
Speaker 2: You guys haven't done a well visit in a while,
Speaker 2: You're very behind. So he basically made it like you
Speaker 2: have broken the law here by not keeping up on
Speaker 2: your well visits, and I'm going to get everyone caught up.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to see all of your children and
Speaker 2: I need to ask them all questions without you being present.
Speaker 2: And all the parents that I saw in the thread
Speaker 2: felt like, this is the law, and he said, it's
Speaker 2: Washington state law that you leave the room.
Speaker 1: And he's presenting himself as an authority figure for the
Speaker 1: sake of compelling you to listen to his commands or requests.
Speaker 2: And making you feel like you're going to be in
Speaker 2: trouble if you don't.
Speaker 1: Think I touched upon this in the past episode, But
Speaker 1: what was the threat that he made to you prior
Speaker 1: to you abruptly ending the appointment.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like you're skipping ahead a little while.
Speaker 1: Just again, just to display his level of aggression. He
Speaker 1: asked you a number of questions that were very out
Speaker 1: of line. He asked our kids questions that were very outlined,
Speaker 1: and he said that he was going to purport you
Speaker 1: to CPS.
Speaker 2: Well, he said that he was going to know. I
Speaker 2: think he did chart it, so he was going to
Speaker 2: chart it. So he said, if you don't leave the room,
Speaker 2: like it's against the law, and I said, oh, really,
Speaker 2: that's funny. Because my husband is literally a Vancouver police officer.
Speaker 2: He's working right now, so please call that on one.
Speaker 2: He would love to get this call because I started
Speaker 2: to get very aggressive back with him because I had
Speaker 2: just had it with and I'm like call, do it. Call,
Speaker 2: and he was just like, you know what, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do, because he knew that there
Speaker 2: was nothing he could do legally like this. This is
Speaker 2: not some law where you can get the parents in trouble.
Speaker 2: You do not have to leave the room. And for
Speaker 2: the love of God, do not leave the room. Do
Speaker 2: not leave the room. I don't care what doctor, dentist, psychologist,
Speaker 2: you do not leave an adult specialist in a room
Speaker 2: with your child alone.
Speaker 1: That decision because they feel like, again, this is a
Speaker 1: personal authority in there to be trusted in their positions
Speaker 1: as a pediatrician, or as a psychologist or as a
Speaker 1: take your pick.
Speaker 2: The guy gave me the hebes from like the get go.
Speaker 2: I don't know how other parents didn't see this. He
Speaker 2: was so creepy and he was so inappropriate. As soon
Speaker 2: as we literally I went there for like Kaimani was
Speaker 2: getting bloody noses and it turned out that he had
Speaker 2: like hit his nose or something and like ruptured a
Speaker 2: blood vessel, and so every time that he would slightly
Speaker 2: bump it, it would start bleeding.
Speaker 1: But you're concerned because that can be a sign or
Speaker 1: symptom of something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, something major. And so I just wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure that there was nothing going on. And he
Speaker 2: proceeded to want to want to do a full physical
Speaker 2: on Kaimani and then Eli. He didn't get to Kira yet.
Speaker 2: He started then he like shifted over his focus to Navella.
Speaker 1: Even though this had nothing to do with any of them.
Speaker 2: No, I was like, that's really odd for a bloody nose.
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 2: Was like, well, you know, yeah, we haven't done well visits.
Speaker 2: And at first I was being stupid and naive and passive,
Speaker 2: and then I started to catch on because then he
Speaker 2: started asking me, is there is your husband and the
Speaker 2: like do you have a husband? Is there a dad
Speaker 2: in the picture? And I thought a weird thing for
Speaker 2: a Patricia flag, total red flag, because predators try to
Speaker 2: figure out if there is a male who's.
Speaker 1: Going to give him trouble the obstacles.
Speaker 2: Yes, they want to know, and so they do look
Speaker 2: for single moms or very passive dads, and then I
Speaker 2: think as soon as he found out you were a cop,
Speaker 2: then he got very aggressive and agitated and annoyed. And
Speaker 2: so he said, if you're not going to leave the room,
Speaker 2: I'm going to chart. I'm going to mark in her
Speaker 2: chart that you refuse to protect her. And so when
Speaker 2: not if, but when she gets HPV and gets cervical
Speaker 2: cancer and is going to die, she can sue you
Speaker 2: and force you to pay for all of her medical bills.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, you know what, this appointment
Speaker 2: is over, and I scooped up my kids and we left,
Speaker 2: and then the nurse followed me out and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. It's not always like this, and I
Speaker 2: spun around. I stuck my finger in her face like
Speaker 2: a true Karen, and I was like, something is wrong
Speaker 2: with that guy. That guy is a pedophile. Something is
Speaker 2: wrong with him. And she was just like just stood.
Speaker 2: They're all shell shocked. And I stormed out of there.
Speaker 2: I called you in the parking lot. I worked up.
Speaker 2: I said, mark my words, that man's going to get
Speaker 2: arrested someday. He's a pervert. And I went home. I
Speaker 2: called Kaiser, which is the medical facility that he worked at.
Speaker 2: I was like, I need to talk to somebody. I
Speaker 2: explained everything that happened, things that he said to Eveya
Speaker 2: that I cannot repeat on the podcast. It was so
Speaker 2: vile and so inappropriate and unnecessary and unnecessary, completely random,
Speaker 2: zero correlation to anything.
Speaker 1: No grown man should be asking an eleven or twelve
Speaker 1: year old girl questions.
Speaker 2: It was just so random. It was so random. And
Speaker 2: he asked the boys and then they were like no,
Speaker 2: And then he asked her a question and she was
Speaker 2: like no, and he's like, because if you do, and
Speaker 2: then he started explaining so in graphic details, vulgar graphic detail,
Speaker 2: using these terms, and she was just like so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: And I'm there as her mother and her only line yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm like their only line of defense, and I'm
Speaker 2: watching all of my kids just kind of become so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, why, you know, like stop
Speaker 2: with these terms. Why are you saying this. He's like,
Speaker 2: we don't use nicknames here. We call things what they are.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, none of this is necessary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we came in for a bloody nose or for
Speaker 1: another child, not this child.
Speaker 2: So I kind of pushed it out of my head.
Speaker 2: But it definitely put an icky feeling and a distrust
Speaker 2: towards just medical professionals in general. For me and for
Speaker 2: the kids. They were all very icked out by it.
Speaker 2: And then when this happened last week, when we got
Speaker 2: confirmation that the guy was truly a predator, it kind
Speaker 2: of brought all of that back because I felt guilt
Speaker 2: in that I let it get to a point that
Speaker 2: I didn't protect them right off the bat. Why didn't
Speaker 2: I see it in the first five minutes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but thank god you did what you did, because
Speaker 1: there is an alternate universe to where you don't speak up.
Speaker 1: You do. You are that passive parent. You step out
Speaker 1: of the room and God knows what happens. And this
Speaker 1: wasn't just happening in his office. This was happening right
Speaker 1: hours in his residence. It's it's crazy again. You can
Speaker 1: look it up for yourself if Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can look it up and you can read the
Speaker 2: comments and details.
Speaker 1: For us, it's it's too graphic, tavn get into here.
Speaker 2: On the podcast. But the moms were saying that he
Speaker 2: was open about being a newdist but they were trying
Speaker 2: not to judge him, and I think that's such a
Speaker 2: common thing that we're told, like, be polite, don't worry
Speaker 2: about what people doing there, not be polite. If someone
Speaker 2: is a teacher, a coach, pediatrician, a dentist, anything, a therapist.
Speaker 2: If you are around children, you're outside life. When you're
Speaker 2: not around children matters one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I'm always weary. I think I've said this here on
Speaker 1: the podcast before too, But if you were a youth coach,
Speaker 1: a youth pastor any grown adult, especially as a man,
Speaker 1: and I hates a profile like that, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is. If you're a grown adult man, and
Speaker 1: it is you know, you make a point of trying
Speaker 1: to surround yourself with young kids. Not that I'm willing
Speaker 1: to like cast immediate judgment upon you, but I'm automatically
Speaker 1: suspicious of.
Speaker 2: You, right, and we have always felt that way when
Speaker 2: it comes to coaching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's unfair. Maybe some of you will probably
Speaker 1: think that's unfair, but I don't. I don't play when
Speaker 1: it comes to my kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that's a really good place to
Speaker 2: come at it with. If there is an adult male
Speaker 2: and he's placing himself purposely in a position to be
Speaker 2: around children, you have to question it, question it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean that you're judging that person, but
Speaker 2: you should.
Speaker 1: Maybe watching like a lot more for sure.
Speaker 2: And if they are saying, hey, we're going to have
Speaker 2: a sleepover at my house, like you need to really,
Speaker 2: I would say say no, absolutely, say no, we don't
Speaker 2: do something.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would suggesting no, yeah, of course new But people.
Speaker 2: Do you know, like if there's a male coach or
Speaker 2: something like that and they're having a team, say, in this.
Speaker 1: Situation, you have you have parents that were happily bringing
Speaker 1: their children to go and be victimized.
Speaker 2: So apparently the moms, which it sounds like more single
Speaker 2: moms that he targeted, he was inviting them over to
Speaker 2: his house and saying I have a hot tub, and
Speaker 2: I do sleepovers, and I have all these toys. Well,
Speaker 2: this man only has adult children. He has two children apparently,
Speaker 2: and they are adults like twenties and thirties. He didn't
Speaker 2: have little kids. So the fact that he has toys
Speaker 2: and all this stuff and he's inviting patients to his
Speaker 2: house should have raised massive alarms and he fired for
Speaker 2: that from Kaiser. But Kaiser did nothing, And it's not
Speaker 2: that they were not aware of this. They were, They
Speaker 2: had to have been because other women reported it.
Speaker 1: But people naturally have you know, they'll they'll rationalize anything.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, he's a pediatrician, is why he
Speaker 1: has toys. But for you to be inviting any of
Speaker 1: these house child patients to your residence and like asking parents, position,
Speaker 1: petitioning parents and be like, hey, I'm doing this, it'll
Speaker 1: be great. You should bring your kid by? Who does that?
Speaker 1: What parent lacks the discretion or the necessary wherewith all
Speaker 1: to be like this is odd? But sure? Yeah? Really
Speaker 1: quite a few, which is incredibly tragic, And this is
Speaker 1: why dangerousdads are so important and all of us as
Speaker 1: parents need to be so wary of, Like I said,
Speaker 1: do just people that want to put themselves in positions
Speaker 1: of authority kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Once they figured out that he was connected to
Speaker 2: this guy, they did a rate of his house or
Speaker 2: a search. They got a search warn't on his house,
Speaker 2: and they went into his home. And I haven't read
Speaker 2: the police report yet to see everything that they found,
Speaker 2: but I heard that it's absolutely horrific. They were then
Speaker 2: going to charge him formally, but he disappeared and they
Speaker 2: found him later deceased deceased is.
Speaker 1: All being handled by my former police department.
Speaker 2: So they found evidence in his home and they said
Speaker 2: that he was an extreme threat to children based on
Speaker 2: the evidence that they found in his home. And he
Speaker 2: was not just hosting sleepovers, but he was hosting naked sleepovers.
Speaker 2: So these children were in the nude and they were
Speaker 2: taking photos and videos of them. And again, I think
Speaker 2: a lot more is going to come out, which.
Speaker 1: Brings about a bigger question of like why are these
Speaker 1: types of events since they're not even trying to hide it, right,
Speaker 1: it's in plain sight. We're doing the event of any
Speaker 1: kind with children and is a family event, so'll bring
Speaker 1: your kid?
Speaker 2: Like what, yes, swimming bowlying?
Speaker 1: Why are these not being immediately addressed?
Speaker 2: Like who are these bowling all these that are hosting this,
Speaker 2: because now you have all this these nude perverts basically,
Speaker 2: and like there's certain groups that are attracted to these
Speaker 2: kind of sitting all over the seats and then the
Speaker 2: next day you go bowling with your family and you're
Speaker 2: eating and your kids are touching these seats and stuff,
Speaker 2: like how disgusting.
Speaker 1: This is what you get when it's all about inclusion.
Speaker 1: They go, I'm not a past judgment. No, you are
Speaker 1: to past judgment. And it's not all about inclusion. There
Speaker 1: are things that should be considered reprehensible.
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Speaker 2: soccer coaches and their daughter plays on the team. I
Speaker 2: understand that, but sometimes you see guys that are volunteering
Speaker 2: to be which is that don't have children.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't necessarily mean that there's any wrongdoing, but
Speaker 1: it makes me weary and suspicious. Always.
Speaker 2: I think it's very odd if you don't have a
Speaker 2: child on the team.
Speaker 1: Because of spirals. It always spirals of like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do like this, this after hours saying like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna host and you can bring your kids by. We're
Speaker 1: all the team here, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's just it's unfortunate that that's the case. But this
Speaker 1: is the reality we live in, and if we've learned
Speaker 1: anything in recent years, it's that this is pretty rampant. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: kids are targeted and people in positions of authority always
Speaker 1: exploit the trust of parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people will place themselves in positions to be around
Speaker 2: children because they are predators. It's not that they become
Speaker 2: a predator once they do it. So you have to
Speaker 2: be so careful when it's you know, churches, we see
Speaker 2: it a lot of churches, and they target churches, and
Speaker 2: they target youth groups and they target church camps because
Speaker 2: people are trusting at these events. We left the youth
Speaker 2: group because of that spicky Vibesah, we did it matters
Speaker 2: And if you have the reason I wanted to talk
Speaker 2: about this is because it's so important to listen to
Speaker 2: the little alarms that go off in your head. If
Speaker 2: you get a single ichy vibe from somebody, please trust
Speaker 2: to that. Don't say I need to be polite or
Speaker 2: I need to be quiet or no.
Speaker 1: The spidy senses are tangling. The chances are you're writing
Speaker 1: something's over.
Speaker 3: There was a youth pastor at the youth group Kamani
Speaker 3: and I started attending and he segregated the young girls
Speaker 3: and then they were all like pretweens eleven to thirteen
Speaker 3: ish and the boys.
Speaker 2: And he chose to.
Speaker 3: Speak to the girls instead of having any of the
Speaker 3: women speak to us. And he said that women who
Speaker 3: are beautiful in God's eyes are silent and don't stir
Speaker 3: up trouble, and then continued to speak about how you
Speaker 3: never go to the authorities. Things can be handled within
Speaker 3: the church. But I found that very very creepy in
Speaker 3: context of girls that are beautiful in God's eyes don't
Speaker 3: stir up trouble, they don't say things, they're quiet, they're silent.
Speaker 3: And he literally used those words quiet and silent, and
Speaker 3: I was like, hmm, yeah, that's yeah, that sounds like conditioning.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was so mad on that one too.
Speaker 1: So where do we go from here? Because there are
Speaker 1: additional details that do involve our kids and our family
Speaker 1: that we're not going to get too deep into for
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're definitely not letting this go because I
Speaker 2: feel very frustrated that I called. I called three times,
Speaker 2: and I was made to feel like I was overreacting.
Speaker 2: One person was very polite, the other two were not
Speaker 2: as polite. One person was really polite and they were like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I understand. I'm sorry. He's really a great doctor. Curious yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's now I was feeling like, how am I
Speaker 2: the only person feeling like this? This guy was so creepy?
Speaker 1: So when you looked it up yours it was the
Speaker 1: only negative review onay.
Speaker 2: I had the only name. When this all came out,
Speaker 2: I went online to them, like, this guy has to
Speaker 2: have other negative reviews. I found my review from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: It's on there. You can find on the internet. If
Speaker 2: you see a twenty nineteen negative review, it's me now
Speaker 2: since there's a bunch of negative reviews, so now that
Speaker 2: everyone knows, like, oh my gosh, she was a predator.
Speaker 2: Oh I noticed this.
Speaker 1: It's the human nature, the fact that you're willing to
Speaker 1: keep your mouth shut for so long, but now that
Speaker 1: it's all come to light, you're like, oh, well, not okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I did notice something. I just didn't want
Speaker 1: to say anything.
Speaker 2: Why not because they didn't want People don't want to
Speaker 2: be wrong for something like this, because it's such a
Speaker 2: horrible accusations. You don't want to be wrong.
Speaker 1: That's how these things, and you.
Speaker 2: Don't want people to not believe you, because what an
Speaker 2: embarrassing thing to be like, you accuse someone of this
Speaker 2: and nobody believes you, And so that's what keeps people quiet,
Speaker 2: and that's what makes moms in that kind of a situation.
Speaker 2: But it's not just pediatricians. Women are also abused regularly.
Speaker 2: With women's healthcare, there is so much use that goes on,
Speaker 2: and women don't even know at the time that they're
Speaker 2: being abused.
Speaker 1: And it's a far better option to speak up and
Speaker 1: be wrong than to be right and say nothing.
Speaker 2: But it's hard to be wrong in that situation and
Speaker 2: so they do take the road of saying nothing. And
Speaker 2: then with pediatricians, even like if you're young mom or
Speaker 2: first time mom, you may not realize what they're doing
Speaker 2: to your child is abuse or that they are you know, like.
Speaker 1: But again, vibes are a thing, and if you're getting
Speaker 1: a creepy vibe from somebody, trust it. Yep, it matters.
Speaker 2: It does matter. And so I'm so glad that I
Speaker 2: got our kids out of there when I did, but
Speaker 2: I wish I had done it fifteen minutes earlier. And
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we never went back. I'm glad that
Speaker 2: I tried to raise alarms, but now I wish I
Speaker 2: had taken it further. I don't know if I could
Speaker 2: have taken it to law enforcement at that time, because
Speaker 2: all I had was my word against his and inappropriate conduct.
Speaker 2: But he could have easily explained that away in a
Speaker 2: medical serce.
Speaker 1: I think you handled it accordingly with trying to bring
Speaker 1: it to the attention of Kaiser. It's unfortunate that they
Speaker 1: believe you off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they totally blew me off, and then I felt
Speaker 2: like I was blown off, so I called back the
Speaker 2: next day, and then I think I even called back
Speaker 2: like a week later, because I was still so upset
Speaker 2: about it, and they just didn't do anything. And I
Speaker 2: think it should have at least warranted an investigation for sure.
Speaker 2: And now I come to find out I'm not the
Speaker 2: only person who called. So you had multiple moms calling
Speaker 2: in saying he's using like explicit language and he's going
Speaker 2: out of his way to touch and grow my children
Speaker 2: when it's not necessary. And he was also very aggressive
Speaker 2: with moms that pushed back, and so this was a
Speaker 2: theme and they ignored it and they protected him, and
Speaker 2: so this things like this cannot happen, and I hope
Speaker 2: that it's handled and.
Speaker 1: You go so more to come on that. We're just
Speaker 1: learning about all of this along with everybody else. We'll
Speaker 1: see maybe I can get in touch with some of
Speaker 1: my buddies back at the PD, but we're dealing with it.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that all this came to light and right
Speaker 1: now having to go back and be like, okay, well
Speaker 1: let me, you know, relive this, break it down and
Speaker 1: see whether it's a it's a horrible situation. Fortunately, this
Speaker 1: guy is not out of the picture, but he's not
Speaker 1: the only one that's not there. Tend he's the only one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so on a writer note to you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we were going to We went back
Speaker 2: and forth, like do we wait and talk about this?
Speaker 2: But it's so important and I think that it if
Speaker 2: this had been handled, so many children could have been
Speaker 2: saved from his abuse over the past six years if
Speaker 2: they had just listened in twenty nineteen, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to bring it up. I think it's too important to wait.
Speaker 2: Because if you're getting bad vibes about any male in
Speaker 2: your child or grandchild's life, or any female, because I
Speaker 2: know there are female predators also, just please be careful,
Speaker 2: Please be cautious. You do not need to leave the
Speaker 2: room for medical appointments. You do not. Don't make them
Speaker 2: feel like you do. And don't ignore that little voice
Speaker 2: in your head. It's right. Do you know your children
Speaker 2: and you know yourself, and like, these are survival instincts
Speaker 2: and they're there for a reason. Don't tell them to
Speaker 2: shut up, because nobody gets hurt except for the like
Speaker 2: you or your child the only line of defense. Please
Speaker 2: advocate for them.
Speaker 1: Isn't it weird that we treat female predators differently? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then like even my own you know, exactly like
Speaker 1: I brought up, like no males that they're around you,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, we do have females that do these
Speaker 1: types of things as well. How many teachers have quite
Speaker 1: a few teachers out the last couple of teachers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still treated differently even when they're charged.
Speaker 1: It's it's handled more lightly of like oh it's a
Speaker 1: young boy, and it's like no, unacceptable all the time. Always,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. Anyway, anything else you want to squeeze
Speaker 1: in here, anything else you want to address or touch
Speaker 1: upon before we shut this down.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I Thank you for joining us, and thank you for
Speaker 2: helping me with this book. You guys, remember pre orders
Speaker 2: are open right now. We're so excited about it. We're
Speaker 2: going to fill you in a lot more, and then
Speaker 2: once we get the little Lamb and everything, we'll show
Speaker 2: it to you. I'm so excited to show a little
Speaker 2: lam I'm so excited about it. He's so cute but
Speaker 2: in like you'll immediately laugh at them. Yeah, and we're
Speaker 2: going to do some sneak peaks coming up of the
Speaker 2: illustrations and everything. They are fantastic, they're so good Okay.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us and appreciate it, and big
Speaker 1: thanks to all of you out there, really appreciate the support.
Speaker 1: Hopefully things go well much like they did with Lutle
Speaker 1: with this new book for the both of you. But
Speaker 1: we'll keep you updated on that. You guys, take care
Speaker 1: of We're back in here next week.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we are taking a break for the birthdays.
Speaker 2: Key and I are. Yes, I'm turning old and Kimani
Speaker 2: is turning sixteen years old, and so we're going.
Speaker 1: Special time of year where I give Melissa a hard
Speaker 1: time for three months until I match her in age.
Speaker 1: So then cradle Robert.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'm the older woman for three months,
Speaker 2: and so it's our birthday next that's right.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about that, Okay, but then.
Speaker 2: We will a week after that and we will be
Speaker 2: on good time living on Saturday. So stay tuned for Saturday.
Speaker 2: We got a blog coming.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. So then you guys take care
Speaker 1: of Godless. We'll see that.
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