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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, welcome to the show today. I have a

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Speaker 3: very special guest, Jamie Bambrick. He's coming to us from

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Speaker 3: Northern Ireland. He has a new book out called Set Free.

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Speaker 3: In a world of chaos and confusion, only Jesus can

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Speaker 3: save and set you free, which is true. And Jamie,

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Speaker 3: if you don't know him, a great YouTube show. He's

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Speaker 3: very theologically sound and he's very funny you'll see. And

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Speaker 3: he's been in pastoral ministry forever a decade.

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Speaker 1: But first award from our sponsor. So please welcome Jamie Bamber.

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Speaker 4: Top of the Morning to you, Top.

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Speaker 1: Of the Evening to you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's eight hours ahead there, so I think it's

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Speaker 3: it's pretty late there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I like to be old things to old man,

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Speaker 4: so it's fun.

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Speaker 3: So before we get into your book, your new book

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Speaker 3: that just came out recently, By the way, when did it.

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Speaker 1: It came out a couple few months ago.

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Speaker 4: Right, came out? So let's see, we came out in

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Speaker 4: the last week of book too. Where so but six

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Speaker 4: weeks ago at the time of recording.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, oh okay. And it's called set Free.

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Speaker 3: In a world of chaos and confusion, only Jesus can

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Speaker 3: save and set you free. And what you said is

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Speaker 3: what recipretated this book was your response to the ad

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl ads He gets us. We talk about

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Speaker 3: that response that you had to talk about. Well, tell

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Speaker 3: us what remind us what that ad was about, and

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Speaker 3: then tell us what your response was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the original he gets us out. I was

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Speaker 4: watching the Super Bowl about just coming up on two

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Speaker 4: we watched American football over here. I played rugby, so

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Speaker 4: watching it and there was this odd put out by

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Speaker 4: this Christian organization who I do believe actually the backers

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Speaker 4: of this thing. I think it was the hobby lobby

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Speaker 4: guys who are by all accounts well spoken of and

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Speaker 4: fund a lot of good stuff that funded this ad

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Speaker 4: that was essentially a kind of woke representation of Jesus.

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Speaker 4: And so there were different images. It was all still

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Speaker 4: sort of objectionable from a Christian perspective. So, for instance,

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Speaker 4: And this caused a lot of outcry among Christians, and

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Speaker 4: which is that if Jesus comes into our sinful world,

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Speaker 4: original ad was called he gets Us, so people knew

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Speaker 4: what it was in reference too, And and I went

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Speaker 4: then to that scripture closing line of it was such

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Speaker 4: and more accurate reflection of the churches as we celebrate

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Speaker 4: people coming out of these lives that we love these people,

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Speaker 4: why you can walk in freedom from those areas, whatever

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Speaker 1: I love the book.

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Speaker 3: And so the book is basically it contains the stories

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Speaker 3: You say God is the best way to explain the world.

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Speaker 3: And there I think there are three points in this

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Speaker 3: first you say the world must have a cause. Second,

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Speaker 3: you say evolution is false. Uh, and then third thirdly,

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Speaker 3: you say for evil to exist, God must exist. So

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Speaker 1: So the world must have a cause.

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Speaker 4: So so so the universe has to have a cause,

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Speaker 4: which means that that there must be a God.

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Speaker 3: Secondly, you know, Alams, it's like Colam's argument, right, it's

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what it is, and so so God must

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Speaker 4: therefore exist. Secondly, yeah, I mean evolution is is one

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Speaker 4: So if there is no God, everything that exists is

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Speaker 4: this works in our favor. So I'm not giving up

437
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Speaker 4: hope on Northern Ireland in particular going in a better

438
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Speaker 4: direction or maybe at least being slower to take up

439
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Speaker 4: these things. For instance, we didn't have gay marriage in

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Speaker 4: Northern Ireland until twenty nineteen because the local government stopped

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Speaker 4: that from happening. It was actually the British Parliament that

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Speaker 4: forced that upon the province. So there's a little bit

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Speaker 4: more of an immune system and resistance here, but nonetheless

444
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Speaker 4: it's a very serious challenge that we're facing, like everywhere

445
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Speaker 4: else in the West at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you mentioned religious studies, it reminds me of

447
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Speaker 3: my old friend, literally old friend Dick Lucas, who's a

448
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Speaker 3: hundred I think he's one hundred years old. He's he

449
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Speaker 3: wrote a very sweet blurb on my book. He talks

450
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Speaker 3: about that, I think in the seventies or eighties he

451
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Speaker 3: talked about how in England in the UK, in.

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Speaker 1: The schools and the public schools.

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Speaker 3: Or probably I don't know what they're called, how you

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Speaker 3: describe because public schools are private schools there, but yes,

455
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Speaker 3: in the state schools it went from kind of Christian

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Speaker 3: teaching to religious studies, which was that was kind of

457
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Speaker 3: the in the beginning of the end in the UK. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so let's talk about the good news because God saves right.

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Speaker 1: And let's talk about a few of.

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Speaker 3: The a couple of the stories in your book which

461
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Speaker 3: are amazing. And I'm you know, it's like this whole

462
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Speaker 3: the world is falling apart, but we know, I mean,

463
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Speaker 3: I know for in my life, I was in this category.

464
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Speaker 3: I was in the LGBT category, and God plucked me

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Speaker 3: out of that and pulled me into his marvelous light

466
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Speaker 3: and said that was sixteen years ago, and I'm forever

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Speaker 3: grateful for that. And just I'm still I mean, I

468
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Speaker 3: always talk about this, but I'm still just in shock

469
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Speaker 3: that got out of all the people in Los Angeles.

470
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Speaker 3: God was like, I'm going to just pull you into

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Speaker 3: my kingdom and out of that life, like I'm just

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Speaker 3: going to grab you, and he it was just I'm

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Speaker 3: still stunned by Its shocking. It's a shocking thing to

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Speaker 3: be chosen by the King of the universe. But let's

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Speaker 3: talk about a couple of people.

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Speaker 1: First.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Josh who was a former atheist, who

478
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Speaker 3: worked with Richard, who helped who worked with Richard Dawkins

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Speaker 3: talk about his story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Josh is a really interesting story. He actually

481
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Speaker 4: grew up in a sort of Christian home, but was

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Speaker 4: nominal himself and drifted away from the faith in his

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Speaker 4: teen years. And then he reads Richard Dawkins's book The

484
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Speaker 4: Selfish Gene, which advocates for for you know, evolution, and

485
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Speaker 4: argues he's an evangelist free atheism. Really. At this point

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Speaker 4: Dawkins and Josh is fascinated by this, thinks this is brilliant,

487
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Speaker 4: and then you know, he starts to search around on

488
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Speaker 4: the internet and going, well, how can I find out

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Speaker 4: more about Richard Dawkins realizes he doesn't have a website,

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Speaker 4: so he emails Richard Dawkins says, look, we need to

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Speaker 4: get your your matis reel out there. Would you mind

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Speaker 4: if I built you a website, which which Rickard Richardawkins

493
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Speaker 4: goes yes, and so he ends up actually becoming the

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Speaker 4: sort of Richard Dawkins right hand guy. Really, when it

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Speaker 4: comes to to kind of his I almost use the

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Speaker 4: word term ministry. What what what's the atheist version of

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Speaker 4: of whatever Dawkins is doing his his his his advocated

498
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Speaker 4: his anti ministry exactly. So he creates this website, he

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Speaker 4: goes in films with him in the Galapagos, islas he

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Speaker 4: does all of these things. He's he's the guy that's

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Speaker 4: that's running the whole thing and getting all of this

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Speaker 4: material out there. But you know so, and he's very,

503
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Speaker 4: very convinced of it. He's completely convinced atheist and well

504
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Speaker 4: trusted by Dawkins and and it's just part of this

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Speaker 4: new atheist movement at its absolute zenith, and he's an

506
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Speaker 4: important figure within it himself. From that kind of practical

507
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Speaker 4: and media side of things, cracks begin to show a

508
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Speaker 4: little bit when he gives birth. He gives birth, his

509
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Speaker 4: wife gives birth to their daughter. The daughter is premature,

510
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Speaker 4: and he recognizes his immense love for this tiny little

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Speaker 4: girl and realizes that he doesn't really think that she's

512
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Speaker 4: just a clump of Adams and nothing more. And he

513
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Speaker 4: cannot reconcile his innate understanding of human value and worth

514
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Speaker 4: with what he aspoises in his atheism. And so that's

515
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Speaker 4: the first little crack. The next one then comes along

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Speaker 4: actually in twenty twenty, because he's living in Portland Oregon,

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Speaker 4: which I'm sure you're aware of and most of the

518
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Speaker 4: audience will be. But for anybody that isn't And I'm

519
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Speaker 4: not an American, but even I know that Portland, Oregon

520
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Speaker 4: is again not a conservative spot. And in twenty twenty,

521
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Speaker 4: when rather nuts and so they had I think it

522
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Speaker 4: was well over one hundred days of rioting and it

523
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Speaker 4: was just you know, people getting shot, buildings getting torched,

524
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Speaker 4: and and the thing that actually sort of really shifts

525
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Speaker 4: for Josh in that time period is is this sense

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Speaker 4: of there is real, supernatural evil. He was convinced that

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Speaker 4: this wasn't just natural, that there was something supernatural going

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Speaker 4: on here. And again I don't know that he would

529
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Speaker 4: have officially accepted the word devil, but he recognized that

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Speaker 4: there was something really real and very dark about all

531
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Speaker 4: of this, and yet yeah, just just didn't again in

532
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Speaker 4: his atheistic worldview, have have an answer for that. And

533
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Speaker 4: what ends up happening is they move, and they moved

534
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Speaker 4: to if if Portland, Oregon is on one end of

535
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Speaker 4: the spectrum, Waco, Texas is probably on the other when

536
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Speaker 4: it comes to the conservative political divide. So they end

537
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Speaker 4: up moving to Waco, Texas, and they want to make friends.

538
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Speaker 4: They want to get to know people. So what do

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Speaker 4: you do, Well, if you're in Waco, Texas, you go

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Speaker 4: to church. And so they walk into a cowboy church,

541
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Speaker 4: which is just I don't even know what that is,

542
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Speaker 4: but it sounds amazing. So they go to Cowboy Church

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Speaker 4: and they're there and they're just there for the social

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Speaker 4: side of things. But as they're there, they begin to

545
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Speaker 4: sort of go, oh, there's definitely something to this. So

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Speaker 4: then he begins to read some other books. He reads

547
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Speaker 4: Cold Case Christianity and The Case for Christ and becomes

548
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: convinced that Jesus was raised from the dead and becomes

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Speaker 4: a Christian, which I just think is literally the most

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Speaker 4: ironic thing that Richard Dawkins right hand guy got saved

551
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Speaker 4: in Cowboy Church. Love how God does that, you know,

552
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 4: the foolish things of the world to confine the wise.

553
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Speaker 4: Just a beautiful story. I now he works using same

554
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Speaker 4: filmmaking and media skills, but to help churches with their

555
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Speaker 4: ministries and fundraising. So I love how God's just brought

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Speaker 4: that story full circle. Really is. It's one of my

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Speaker 4: favorite stories in the whole book, for sure.

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Speaker 3: I did Richard Dawkins ever, did they ever stay in contact.

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Speaker 3: And did he tell Richardawkins that he was now a Christian.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's attempted to reach out to him. I don't

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Speaker 4: think he's heard much back. He ended up between his

562
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Speaker 4: daughter and the twenty twenty thing. He'd stepped away from

563
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Speaker 4: working with. Dawkins just went into another line of work. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, not on bad terms with him or anything.

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Speaker 4: But yes, I don't know if Richard has specifically said much.

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Speaker 4: I think Richard, I know that he's reached out to

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Speaker 4: him about it. I think it's sort of been arm's length,

568
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Speaker 4: is my understanding, but you never know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Richardwkins is practically a Christian after ten years of woke madness.

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Speaker 1: He's almost he's almost a Christian. Just he's Christian adjason.

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Speaker 1: I think at this point.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. Yeah, Okay, So.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about tell us Brittany Dela Mora's story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Brittany Delamore. So, Brittany Delamore is so she grows

575
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Speaker 4: up in a broken home, like many people in that environment,

576
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Speaker 4: you know, ends up looking for affection and bad places,

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Speaker 4: and this leads to her starting off I believe, stripping,

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Speaker 4: and then ends up with her going into the porn industry.

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Speaker 4: So she becomes one of one of actually the foremost

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Speaker 4: figures in the pornographic industry at that time, extremely well known.

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Speaker 4: As you can imagine this, this isn't a fruitful life.

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Speaker 4: And she goes into you know, just just how dark

583
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Speaker 4: actually that whole world is not just for her but

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Speaker 4: people around her. So, you know, you've got STDs who've

585
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 4: got massive suicide rates, depression, everybody's on drugs, just trying

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Speaker 4: to medicate themselves through these things. Relationships are abusive and

587
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Speaker 4: and just absolutely crushing. And she remembered in the midst

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Speaker 4: of all of this that her grandmother had told her about,

589
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Speaker 4: you know, the love of Jesus, but she was convinced

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Speaker 4: she was too far gone. And she tells this story

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Speaker 4: of how she is on an airplane and she's traveling

592
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Speaker 4: to do a shoot. She gets invited to do a

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Speaker 4: shoot somewhere again, you know, pornographic shoot, and she feels

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Speaker 4: led to open her Bible. She's in the midst of that,

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Speaker 4: she's starting to read her Bible, and so she feels

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Speaker 4: led to read her Bible, and her Bible opens to

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Speaker 4: Revelation two twenty to twenty three. Which talks about that

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Speaker 4: woman jes Abel and God casting her on a sick

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Speaker 4: bed and that immorality, and she feels it convicts her profoundly,

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Speaker 4: and so at that point she sort of, you know, decides,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to do this anymore. She's still really struggling,

602
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Speaker 4: and and you know, she's going to church. She's expecting condemnation.

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Speaker 4: She hears grace and she leaves amazingly that the adult

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Speaker 4: film industry. What I think is really interesting about her

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Speaker 4: story is she shares her testimony. She's going to speak,

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Speaker 4: I believe it's at a woman's event, or she gets

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Speaker 4: invited to share her testimony through video at a woman's event,

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Speaker 4: and she agrees to do it because she thinks the

609
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Speaker 4: video is just going to get played there, but it

610
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Speaker 4: gets put on the internet and all these people and

611
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: she's like devastated. She's she thinks it's going to be terrible,

612
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Speaker 4: but everybody comes along and celebrates her and just goes,

613
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Speaker 4: what a great story. And she's now married to a

614
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Speaker 4: pastor who and together they have a ministry where they

615
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Speaker 4: go round to porn conventions and they try to get

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Speaker 4: people out of that industry and tell them about the

617
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Speaker 4: love of Jesus. So again just one of those full

618
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Speaker 4: circle stories. That's that's absolutely profound and just a wonderful

619
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Speaker 4: story of again God taking someone from that, setting them

620
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Speaker 4: free and then using them to actually set other people free.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Joshua Broom was on the show and he's another

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Speaker 3: example of someone getting set free out of that industry.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because in with this, but at the beginning

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Speaker 3: of your book normally it's kind of at the end

625
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Speaker 3: of the book, but at the beginning of your book

626
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Speaker 3: you give a full gospel presentation, but the last chapter

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Speaker 3: of your book is how to have freedom? So there,

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Speaker 3: I think there are a lot of people who secretly

629
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Speaker 3: watch my show who are skeptics or atheists or just

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Speaker 3: non believers.

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Speaker 1: How how do people get free?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So there's different levels to this freedom, different aspects

633
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Speaker 4: to it. So I think the first one for everybody

634
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Speaker 4: to know is you need to be free from the

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Speaker 4: penalty of sin. Sin. Sin is incurs a debt to

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Speaker 4: God himself. Sin sin is something that you end up

637
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Speaker 4: on the wrong side of God's law, and you need

638
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Speaker 4: a way to get onto the right side of God's law.

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Speaker 4: And sadly, if you break a laws, as many people know,

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Speaker 4: in the legal system, you can't just say, well, I

641
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: was good in other areas and therefore you know that

642
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Speaker 4: area where I broke the law doesn't matter. That a

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Speaker 4: specific crime, that whatever that was, has to be dealt with.

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Speaker 4: And I suppose the bad news is that the crime

645
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Speaker 4: is much worse than we think. The wages of sin

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Speaker 4: is death. It's an infinite because we it's against an

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Speaker 4: infinite God. It's an infinite crime, and you're a finite being,

648
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Speaker 4: and you cannot pay that off. Thankfully. The good news

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Speaker 4: is Jesus Christ is an infinite man who died on

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Speaker 4: a cross, and he did so in your place for

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Speaker 4: your sins, and he offers you the free gift of forgiveness.

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Speaker 4: He paid the debt for you, and you just cling

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Speaker 4: to him and you say, I received that from you,

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Speaker 4: and he will give it to you. So that's the

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Speaker 4: first area of freedom. That's your eternal freedom now in

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Speaker 4: this life. I think this is something that a lot

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Speaker 4: of people who are really stuck in the lifestyle of sin,

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Speaker 4: in this life? Okay, maybe I, you know, will be

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Speaker 4: fine in eternity, But what I do in here and

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Speaker 4: now The truth is that Jesus himself Elf says that

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Speaker 4: if the sun sets you free, you will be free indeed,

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Speaker 4: and so what he does is he equips us to

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Speaker 4: through the person of His Holy Spirit, who he sends

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Speaker 4: to in dwell Christians, to strengthen us, changes our heart,

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Speaker 4: that we become new creations. So we desire different things.

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Speaker 4: So some people listening maybe think, well, I actually want

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Speaker 4: this sin, and yeah, I'd like to be a Christian,

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Speaker 4: but I really really want sin. The fact is, if

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Speaker 4: you come to Christ, those desires are changed. I'm not

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Speaker 4: saying that you never battle with him, but your fundamental

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Speaker 4: desire is now for him more than anything else. And

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Speaker 4: you wrestle with old desires and old habits, but what

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Speaker 4: you want most is him. So he changes you in

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Speaker 4: that way, strengthens you.

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Speaker 1: He gives you change of affection.

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Speaker 3: I think it's called yes, yes, absolutely great book title anyway, it.

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Speaker 4: Would be a great book title. Yes, so yeah, So,

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Speaker 4: so you know, he transforms you in that way, gives

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Speaker 4: you his word that that that not not only teaches

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Speaker 4: you but feeds your soul, gives you strength to live

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Speaker 4: according to the way that you should. He gives you

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Speaker 4: authority over the devil. By the way, I think some

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Speaker 4: of some of the stuff that people don't think is

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Speaker 4: caused by the devil is the devil is the tempter,

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Speaker 4: and and he draws us into sin. But as a

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Speaker 4: Christian you have authority over him. And and he puts

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Speaker 4: you in and among the people of God who can

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Speaker 4: pray for you and encourage you and strengthen you and

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Speaker 4: builds you up in your faith. And and yes, do

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Speaker 4: you know what I for everybody, every single person who

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Speaker 4: comes to faith in Christ. Some people have really dramatic

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Speaker 4: things that happen where they can get, you know, immediately

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Speaker 4: set free in an instant from one area of sin.

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Speaker 4: But that's not necessarily true for for for those that

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Speaker 4: follow Christ. For for say, some of the major ers,

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Speaker 4: you might think, I really want to be free from

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Speaker 4: this one immediately, and that might not work like that

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Speaker 4: in terms of you know, you never ever struggle with

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Speaker 4: it again at all. But the truth is that even

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Speaker 4: those people that maybe get a big dramatic moment, they're

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Speaker 4: in the same boat as everybody else where's. It's a

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Speaker 4: gradual and increasing freedom over life that you're you're called

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Speaker 4: to walk in and and so you might need it.

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Speaker 4: Rosaria has this wonderful line that she talks about where

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Speaker 4: she says, you know, you might need to repent a

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Speaker 4: thousand times before breakfast, but you just keep doing it,

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Speaker 4: you know, you crucify, keep crucifying the flesh, she says,

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Speaker 4: and the devil will get tired of you eventually. And

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Speaker 4: that is true. Like if you go to war with

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Speaker 4: your sin and you say, just you know what, I'm

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Speaker 4: going to deal with this thing, and I'm going to

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Speaker 4: turn from it and turn from it every single time

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Speaker 4: it comes to me, every single thought, that that draws

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Speaker 4: me back in that direction. Do you know what you

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Speaker 4: It might not take a week, it might take a

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Speaker 4: you know, a year or years, but you look back

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Speaker 4: and you go, I am a different person than I was.

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Speaker 4: Then it's because of the part of God at work

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Speaker 4: within you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That just reminds me of that kind of increasing sectification. One.

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Speaker 3: It just something just happened to me the other night,

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Speaker 3: which was remarkable. I stumbled upon this book called Letters

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Speaker 3: on Homosexual Desire by Doug Wilson, and I was just

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Speaker 3: curious because the title. I was curious because of the title,

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Speaker 3: and one of the things he said in the book

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Speaker 3: was that your your homosexuality is not your parents' fault,

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Speaker 3: and if you keep blaming them because I, you know,

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Speaker 3: over the last I don't know how many years I

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Speaker 3: have talked about my parents and kind of they're failing

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Speaker 3: in different ways. And then he says, if you're holding

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Speaker 3: on to bitterness towards your parents because of this, you

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Speaker 3: need to forgive them. And I had never thought of that.

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Speaker 3: I'd never thought of like, oh my gosh, I need

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Speaker 3: to forgive my parents. And and it just the other night,

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Speaker 3: I just out loud to God, I forget and my

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Speaker 3: parents are in heaven now, so I couldn't contact them directly,

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Speaker 3: so I prayed out loud to God and I just said, God,

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Speaker 3: I forgive my dad. And I was as soon as

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Speaker 3: I said that, I started crying. And it was just

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Speaker 3: like and it's that doesn't really happen that often. And

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Speaker 3: and what's remarkable is that and I never have dreams

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Speaker 3: about my father. That night I had a dream and

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Speaker 3: it was so vivid and gets me emotional, that I

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Speaker 3: had a dream about me and my dad and we

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Speaker 3: were together and it was like this wonderful kind of

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Speaker 3: it was It wasn't like we were fishing together or something.

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Speaker 1: It was something else.

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Speaker 3: We were doing some activity together, and it was such

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Speaker 3: a loving activity. The interaction between us was so loving.

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Speaker 1: And I woke up.

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Speaker 3: That morning and I was like, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: I just felt this.

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Speaker 3: I felt like another layer of the onion just kind

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Speaker 3: of peeled off of me by the Holy Spirit. And

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Speaker 3: I just that I just that whole kind of whatever

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Speaker 3: I was holding in and that bitterness I was holding

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Speaker 3: in just was released. And so anyway, I just that

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Speaker 3: just reminded me of that when you when you talk

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Speaker 3: about kind of the progressive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, God works in that way. Can I can

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Speaker 4: I to mind if I read a little passage from

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Speaker 4: from the book is that Okay, this is from the

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Speaker 4: story of Laura Perry Smolt. So Laura lived for ten

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Speaker 4: years as cheeks. She was consider yourself transgender. I don't

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Speaker 4: like to say someone was because that affirms that, but

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, that's how she was living.

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Speaker 4: But this is her in her story she said, I

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Speaker 4: began to find out who I truly was and who

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Speaker 4: I was created to be. It's so backwards sometimes from

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Speaker 4: what we think God's ways are, not our ways, and

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Speaker 4: His thoughts are not our thoughts. The Bible says that

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Speaker 4: as the heavens are higher than the earth, so we're

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Speaker 4: God's ways higher than our ways. So sometimes it doesn't

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Speaker 4: make sense to us. Nobody really transitions from one sex

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Speaker 4: to the other. It's biologically impossible. Who I was created

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Speaker 4: to be just began to emerge and come forth. I

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Speaker 4: was a little more comfortable and began to enjoy being

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Speaker 4: a girl, began to love being a girl. I think

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Speaker 4: that's kind of how the process looks for most people.

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Speaker 4: It's just a gradual, Like you walk in greater and

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Speaker 4: greater freedom, You connect with the Lord, you study his word,

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Speaker 4: you realize what his thoughts are about you, and then

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Speaker 4: you begin to become not this other. I like the

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Speaker 4: way she said. It's not becoming another person so much

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Speaker 4: as becoming who you truly are, Who you truly are

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Speaker 4: in Christ. That is actually who we're meant to be.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're meant to be, you know, in Christ,

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Speaker 4: walking with Him, and every other identity that we may

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Speaker 4: invent for ourselves based around our sin is actually a

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Speaker 4: false one. We're truest to ourselves when we are one

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Speaker 4: with Him.

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Speaker 3: Amen to that Okay, so the book is called thet

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Speaker 3: Free tell people how they can watch your show and

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Speaker 3: how they can and however else they can get in

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Speaker 3: touch with you or reach you or see what you're doing. Yeah, super,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So just search for my name Jamie Bambrick on

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Speaker 4: YouTube primarily that's where I put most of my stuff.

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Speaker 4: Also a little bit on x pretty regularly but not

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Speaker 4: all my videos go there, but active there and somewhat

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Speaker 4: active on Instagram, trying to improve on occasionally, you know,

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Speaker 4: just glutton for punishment and try to get on more

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Speaker 4: social media platforms because that's what I need. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: then you can also check out Decision Point to that

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Speaker 4: ministry that I could again co wrote this with with

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Speaker 4: Mark Hopson, who's the CEO there, who do fantastic work

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Speaker 4: and if you like what they're doing, I encourage you

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Speaker 4: to support them. I'm a big fan of everything they're

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Speaker 4: doing and I'm not getting paid to say that. So

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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 3: Decision point similar to tp US Turning Point USA.

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Speaker 4: No, it's it would be most similar to say, like

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Speaker 4: campus Crusade for Cork Crewe, but in high schools, so

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Speaker 4: it's a younger demographic, so it's public schools and it's evangelism,

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Speaker 4: but they are punching and countercultural. They're really up for

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Speaker 4: engaging on topics like these with young people because these

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Speaker 4: are the big evangelistic challenges for a lot of teenagers.

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Speaker 3: That sounds good, all right, well, Jamie Bambrick, thank you

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Speaker 3: for coming on the show. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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