1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,660 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,130 --> 00:00:08,330 Speaker 2: What happens when God takes a man from a life 3 00:00:08,390 --> 00:00:12,260 Speaker 2: of drugs? violence and crime and turns him into a 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,460 Speaker 2: vessel of hope and healing. On this episode of Your 5 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:19,230 Speaker 2: Hope-Filled Perspective, I talk with Pastor Larry Huck, author and 6 00:00:19,390 --> 00:00:23,790 Speaker 2: former drug addict whose story is told in his powerful book, 7 00:00:23,970 --> 00:00:28,450 Speaker 2: From Junkie to Jerusalem. Once a cocaine dealer working with 8 00:00:28,510 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: Colombian cartels, Larry's life spiraled into brokenness, anger, and destruction. Yet, 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,059 Speaker 2: God intervened, rescuing him from the pit of addiction and 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,980 Speaker 2: setting him on a path to freedom, restoration, and ministry. 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,699 Speaker 2: If you've ever doubted the transformation is possible for your 12 00:00:45,780 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: life or someone you love, this story will give you 13 00:00:48,580 --> 00:00:52,330 Speaker 2: renewed hope in God's power to break generational curses and 14 00:00:52,370 --> 00:00:56,090 Speaker 2: bring lasting freedom. Welcome to your Hope-Filled Perspective, where it's 15 00:00:56,250 --> 00:00:59,670 Speaker 2: always our goal... to restore hope, renew minds, and empower 16 00:00:59,730 --> 00:01:04,010 Speaker 2: listeners to live in your God-given identity. I'm delighted you've 17 00:01:04,090 --> 00:01:06,980 Speaker 2: chosen to spend a few minutes of your week with us. Today, 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,260 Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about how to find hope 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,149 Speaker 2: beyond addiction. We'll dive into that right after this brief 20 00:01:13,170 --> 00:01:18,580 Speaker 2: word from our sponsor. What happens when God takes a 21 00:01:18,740 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: man from a life of drugs, violence, and crime and 22 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:25,350 Speaker 2: turns him into a vessel of hope and healing? Today, 23 00:01:25,390 --> 00:01:28,130 Speaker 2: we're going to be talking with Pastor Larry Huck, a 24 00:01:28,190 --> 00:01:31,590 Speaker 2: former drug addict whose story is told in his powerful book, 25 00:01:31,630 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: From Junkie to Jerusalem. Once a cocaine dealer working with 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,500 Speaker 2: Colombian cartels, he has found himself in a brand new 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,429 Speaker 2: path because God intervened, rescuing him from the pit of 28 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:46,810 Speaker 2: addiction and setting him on a path to freedom. I'm 29 00:01:46,930 --> 00:01:49,510 Speaker 2: so excited to share this episode with you as we 30 00:01:49,550 --> 00:01:53,580 Speaker 2: talk about how to find hope beyond addiction. Scripture tells us, 31 00:01:54,070 --> 00:01:57,430 Speaker 2: In Psalm 40, verse 2, he lifted me out of 32 00:01:57,490 --> 00:02:00,450 Speaker 2: the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire, and 33 00:02:00,490 --> 00:02:02,790 Speaker 2: he set my feet on a rock and gave me 34 00:02:02,850 --> 00:02:06,130 Speaker 2: a firm place to stand. Larry and Tiz Huck are 35 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:10,329 Speaker 2: the founding and senior pastors of New Beginnings Church in Bedford, Texas. 36 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:14,030 Speaker 2: 10 minutes down the road from me. It's a non-denominational 37 00:02:14,110 --> 00:02:19,419 Speaker 2: multi-ethnic congregation. They pioneered seven different churches in America and 38 00:02:19,540 --> 00:02:23,260 Speaker 2: Australia and their program, New Beginnings, is watched and followed 39 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: by thousands and thousands of people whose lives have dramatically 40 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,619 Speaker 2: impacted and changed. As a former drug addict and dealer, 41 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: Pastor Larry has compassion for those caught in the web 42 00:02:34,139 --> 00:02:38,179 Speaker 2: of addiction. Now we've talked about addiction on this podcast before, 43 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,340 Speaker 2: but it's one that is so prevalent. Whether we're talking 44 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:46,690 Speaker 2: about drug addiction, addiction to work, addiction to approval, addiction 45 00:02:47,169 --> 00:02:51,870 Speaker 2: affects either ourselves or so many that we know and love. 46 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:55,609 Speaker 2: So it's an important conversation that we're having today. Welcome 47 00:02:55,650 --> 00:02:56,930 Speaker 2: to the program, Pastor Larry. 48 00:02:56,950 --> 00:02:59,780 Speaker 3: Doc, it's sure good to be with you. And You know, 49 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:03,770 Speaker 3: when you're saying addictions, I've never heard anybody. And boy, 50 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:08,310 Speaker 3: sermons just jumped into my heart. Addiction to approval. That 51 00:03:08,389 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: is that's powerful. But anyway, it's really great to be 52 00:03:11,290 --> 00:03:11,900 Speaker 3: with you today. 53 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: I would love for you to share with my audience. 54 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:18,700 Speaker 2: How did you go from being a talented football player 55 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,549 Speaker 2: to professional? snorting coke, drinking and doing other drugs? 56 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:25,290 Speaker 3: A lot of it has to do, and I hate 57 00:03:25,310 --> 00:03:27,230 Speaker 3: to say this, but a lot of it has to 58 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: do with generational curses, written books on that about what's 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,140 Speaker 3: in the father passes on to the son, passes on 60 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,780 Speaker 3: generation after generation. So a lot of it is that my, 61 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: there was a lot of addictions in my family. Really 62 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:46,410 Speaker 3: a big part of this, and I hope this doesn't 63 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,950 Speaker 3: Sound bad, but we were raised very, very poor. We 64 00:03:49,990 --> 00:03:53,630 Speaker 3: were raised inner city, South St. Louis, and I got 65 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:56,410 Speaker 3: a scholarship to go play football. And when I was 66 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:59,810 Speaker 3: playing football, it was back in the hippie era, and 67 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: we started doing drugs. 68 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,410 Speaker 4: And I started realizing... I could. 69 00:04:04,290 --> 00:04:09,370 Speaker 3: Cut out the middleman and start making money by selling drugs. 70 00:04:09,610 --> 00:04:12,550 Speaker 3: And then we got a bright idea. Well, why don't 71 00:04:12,590 --> 00:04:16,910 Speaker 3: we just cut out everybody? And I headed down to Columbia, 72 00:04:16,950 --> 00:04:18,620 Speaker 3: South America and ended up. 73 00:04:20,010 --> 00:04:20,740 Speaker 4: With when he. 74 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 3: First started Pablo Escobar, sitting with Pablo Escobar and smuggling 75 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:30,740 Speaker 3: cocaine in the United States. But unfortunately, because I had 76 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,090 Speaker 3: cocaine piles of it right there in my lap, I 77 00:04:35,170 --> 00:04:40,330 Speaker 3: started using it continually and I became fully addicted. And 78 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:44,650 Speaker 3: from the cocaine, I started mixing cocaine and heroin together 79 00:04:45,170 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: and became addicted to the very stuff that I was selling. 80 00:04:49,910 --> 00:04:54,339 Speaker 2: You went from taking drugs. to selling drugs and setting 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,740 Speaker 2: up pipelines into the U.S. But were there times, Larry, 82 00:04:57,779 --> 00:04:59,979 Speaker 2: where you felt your life was in jeopardy? 83 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,500 Speaker 4: Well, down there, yes. 84 00:05:01,820 --> 00:05:04,260 Speaker 3: We were too young and dumb to really realize how 85 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,940 Speaker 3: dangerous it was. 86 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:07,940 Speaker 4: But what really turned. 87 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,390 Speaker 3: It around, Doctor, is that there was a time that 88 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:17,590 Speaker 3: we were living in, if you've ever seen, if the 89 00:05:17,670 --> 00:05:21,410 Speaker 3: viewers have ever seen the movie Narco, And talking about 90 00:05:21,490 --> 00:05:24,990 Speaker 3: Pablo Westmoreland, a lot of that story is me. I 91 00:05:25,029 --> 00:05:27,310 Speaker 3: remember when it first came out, my wife and I, 92 00:05:27,410 --> 00:05:29,020 Speaker 3: Tiz and I were sitting there watching it. 93 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:32,730 Speaker 4: And it starts off, it shows an American. 94 00:05:32,190 --> 00:05:36,110 Speaker 3: Meeting one of Pablo's guys setting up a drop in 95 00:05:36,130 --> 00:05:38,589 Speaker 3: a high rise in Miami, a garage. 96 00:05:39,150 --> 00:05:41,860 Speaker 4: And he's driving a yellow Mach 1, 1969 yellow Mach 1. 97 00:05:41,860 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 4: And that was me. And so I found out that 98 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 4: I had been selling to. 99 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,620 Speaker 3: An undercover agent, a NARC, while I was living down 100 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: there for about two and a half years. And so 101 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 3: when I got back to the United States, I found 102 00:05:57,380 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: out there were seven federal warrants out for my arrest. 103 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:03,140 Speaker 3: And that's when I ran. But there was a couple 104 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: times down there that We thought for sure we were 105 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:10,830 Speaker 3: going to get killed. We almost killed somebody because we 106 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:11,729 Speaker 3: thought they were going. 107 00:06:11,610 --> 00:06:12,270 Speaker 4: To kill us. 108 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:15,510 Speaker 3: And it was just, it was a life, it was 109 00:06:15,529 --> 00:06:18,930 Speaker 3: a life that spun totally out of control. 110 00:06:19,190 --> 00:06:20,830 Speaker 4: It was totally out of control. 111 00:06:21,310 --> 00:06:26,370 Speaker 3: And what was the final tipping point was, this sounds crazy, 112 00:06:26,390 --> 00:06:31,180 Speaker 3: but I really believe that if I did enough drugs, 113 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,060 Speaker 3: this sounds really crazy, but in all that I was doing, 114 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,700 Speaker 3: I was looking for God. And we really believed, and 115 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 3: there was a lot of these books being written that cocaine, see, 116 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:46,729 Speaker 3: cocaine doesn't make you feel like heroin and others. Cocaine 117 00:06:46,870 --> 00:06:50,130 Speaker 3: makes you feel superior. It makes you feel very aware. 118 00:06:50,470 --> 00:06:54,789 Speaker 3: And so I really knew God was missing from my life. 119 00:06:55,270 --> 00:06:57,110 Speaker 4: I knew it. When I was a kid, I grew 120 00:06:57,170 --> 00:06:59,710 Speaker 4: up in inner city, South St. Louis in the hood. 121 00:07:00,170 --> 00:07:02,590 Speaker 3: And when we were little kids, we'd stay out all 122 00:07:02,610 --> 00:07:05,210 Speaker 3: night and just run the streets. And then come dawn, 123 00:07:05,529 --> 00:07:08,990 Speaker 3: say Saturday or Sunday morning to get out of the cold, we. 124 00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: Go into the Catholic church. 125 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: And of course it was just beautiful in there, but 126 00:07:12,630 --> 00:07:14,460 Speaker 3: we were just coming in there to get out of 127 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: the cold. But I thought, man, I'd like to know 128 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,330 Speaker 3: who God is. And so my whole life I've thought of, 129 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: I've thought of the reality. 130 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:24,780 Speaker 4: That there was a God. 131 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:28,180 Speaker 3: I just never looked at Christianity because I knew a 132 00:07:28,220 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: lot of people that were quote unquote Christians and they were. 133 00:07:31,230 --> 00:07:32,450 Speaker 4: No different than I was. 134 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:36,590 Speaker 3: And so one day down there, I had been mainlining 135 00:07:36,770 --> 00:07:39,470 Speaker 3: using the needle and there was a guy and a 136 00:07:39,510 --> 00:07:43,150 Speaker 3: gal living with me down there. And she kept saying, Larry, 137 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:44,750 Speaker 3: you're going to kill yourself. 138 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,540 Speaker 4: You're doing too much. They were gone. They went into town. 139 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,700 Speaker 3: We lived up in the ranches of Medellin and I 140 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,020 Speaker 3: took the cocaine and I hit it up and I 141 00:07:55,060 --> 00:07:58,060 Speaker 3: was already stoned and I didn't realize I went through 142 00:07:58,110 --> 00:08:01,190 Speaker 3: my vein. So I doubled it again and hit up 143 00:08:01,270 --> 00:08:04,770 Speaker 3: again and went through the vein. And so I doubled 144 00:08:04,810 --> 00:08:08,710 Speaker 3: it again, which is insane. And I hit it, I 145 00:08:08,730 --> 00:08:12,150 Speaker 3: hit the vein and immediately I collapsed and I knew 146 00:08:12,170 --> 00:08:13,070 Speaker 3: I'm dying. 147 00:08:13,250 --> 00:08:15,570 Speaker 4: But doc, here's what came out of my voice. 148 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: I said, don't let me die until I know what 149 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,470 Speaker 3: happiness is. Because in the sports and in the sin 150 00:08:23,510 --> 00:08:26,150 Speaker 3: and in the drugs and all that, I was looking 151 00:08:26,470 --> 00:08:30,470 Speaker 3: for happiness. And in the dealing of drugs, I really thought, well, 152 00:08:30,550 --> 00:08:31,210 Speaker 3: money's going to. 153 00:08:31,190 --> 00:08:31,870 Speaker 4: Make me happy. 154 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:35,830 Speaker 3: Nothing, you know, it works for a little bit. It 155 00:08:35,870 --> 00:08:38,850 Speaker 3: works for a little bit. And then you're empty again. 156 00:08:39,210 --> 00:08:42,930 Speaker 3: And so I said, God, don't let me die. until 157 00:08:42,990 --> 00:08:46,650 Speaker 3: I find what happiness is. And then the story goes on. 158 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: I got back and found out there were warrants for my. 159 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,900 Speaker 4: Arrest, et cetera, et cetera. 160 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,540 Speaker 3: And I love to tell people I ran from Missouri 161 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,620 Speaker 3: out to Flagstaff, Arizona. I ran from the long arms 162 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,310 Speaker 3: of the law to the strong arms of the Lord. 163 00:09:00,730 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: And I I was sitting out there. I was with 164 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,209 Speaker 3: two girls that were my friends and setting up some 165 00:09:07,270 --> 00:09:11,350 Speaker 3: drug deals out there. And I'm sitting on my porch 166 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:16,170 Speaker 3: and I got long hair and earrings in my ears 167 00:09:16,190 --> 00:09:17,070 Speaker 3: and needle. 168 00:09:16,809 --> 00:09:18,270 Speaker 4: Marks up and down my arms. 169 00:09:18,790 --> 00:09:22,450 Speaker 3: And this little Mexican kid, his name was Bill Trujillo. 170 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:25,510 Speaker 3: And I'm sitting on my porch smoking dope and he 171 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:28,140 Speaker 3: keeps walking back and forth. He kind of glanced at 172 00:09:28,179 --> 00:09:31,170 Speaker 3: me and I'm thinking, But he's wanting to get Nerv 173 00:09:31,230 --> 00:09:33,689 Speaker 3: up to see if he can buy some drugs. And 174 00:09:33,770 --> 00:09:36,209 Speaker 3: he does this five or six times. And he turned 175 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:40,410 Speaker 3: around and walked back again. And I'm thinking, just come over. 176 00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:42,510 Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, he turns around and he 177 00:09:42,610 --> 00:09:45,690 Speaker 3: comes straight to me. And he walks right up to me. 178 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, he says, hey, man, you got anything 179 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: to sell? He says, I've never done this before. But 180 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:52,059 Speaker 3: Jesus is who you're looking for. 181 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: And I went, what? 182 00:09:55,260 --> 00:09:58,590 Speaker 3: And he had been a drug addict five days before 183 00:09:58,950 --> 00:10:01,380 Speaker 3: the church does outreach down in the neighborhood. I was 184 00:10:01,410 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: kind of in the red light area and we're, you know, 185 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:07,860 Speaker 3: the bar area we're living. And they dragged him in 186 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: the back of a van and he gave his life 187 00:10:11,179 --> 00:10:13,780 Speaker 3: to the Lord. And so five days later, he sees 188 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: me and he goes, well, if God did that for me, 189 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 3: he could do it for him. 190 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,940 Speaker 4: And that's how it began. 191 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:18,460 Speaker 3: Wow. 192 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,420 Speaker 2: You know, I read in your book that you experienced 193 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: tremendous abuse growing up. And I think it's difficult situations 194 00:10:28,460 --> 00:10:33,090 Speaker 2: like that that is often a contributing factor to addiction, 195 00:10:33,230 --> 00:10:36,270 Speaker 2: whether it's addiction to work or it's addiction to gambling 196 00:10:36,309 --> 00:10:39,110 Speaker 2: or it's addiction to food or drugs or approval. Can 197 00:10:39,130 --> 00:10:42,570 Speaker 2: you give us some idea what that abuse was and 198 00:10:42,650 --> 00:10:44,740 Speaker 2: how it truly influenced your life? 199 00:10:45,130 --> 00:10:47,930 Speaker 3: I almost said that when we first started talking and 200 00:10:47,970 --> 00:10:50,370 Speaker 3: I thought, well, maybe that won't fit in right here. 201 00:10:50,450 --> 00:10:53,870 Speaker 3: But without a doubt, my dad, my dad passed away 202 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:56,929 Speaker 3: several years ago and he gave his life to the 203 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:58,650 Speaker 3: Lord right before he passed away. 204 00:10:58,730 --> 00:11:00,270 Speaker 4: And so he was at peace. 205 00:11:00,530 --> 00:11:03,620 Speaker 3: But my dad was a very violent guy, very brutal 206 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:06,459 Speaker 3: guy and beat us a lot, beat my mother a lot. 207 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: And I know that that That experience is, everybody talks 208 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:17,700 Speaker 3: about being delivered from drugs, but I'll tell you the 209 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,609 Speaker 3: greatest thing that I got delivered from was anger. I 210 00:11:20,650 --> 00:11:25,250 Speaker 3: was an extremely angry person. I was an extremely violent person. 211 00:11:25,870 --> 00:11:29,270 Speaker 3: And until I learned how to break those generational curses, 212 00:11:29,290 --> 00:11:31,670 Speaker 3: you know, when I, Doc, when I first gave my 213 00:11:31,730 --> 00:11:35,270 Speaker 3: life to the Lord, it didn't take hardly anything to 214 00:11:35,410 --> 00:11:38,450 Speaker 3: deliver me from drug addiction. I got filled with the 215 00:11:38,490 --> 00:11:41,170 Speaker 3: spirit of God and God set me free. It's an 216 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:47,150 Speaker 3: amazing story in itself. But I brought that generational curse 217 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:54,429 Speaker 3: of anger into my Christianity, into my marriage, into into 218 00:11:54,510 --> 00:11:57,949 Speaker 3: my raising a family. And even as a pastor, I 219 00:11:58,030 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: still had it out. I could control it more, but 220 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:04,940 Speaker 3: I still had it. And we were actually, Tiz and 221 00:12:05,020 --> 00:12:09,620 Speaker 3: I were actually pioneering a church in Australia. And my son, 222 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:12,809 Speaker 3: who's now a pastor on staff with us here, he 223 00:12:12,850 --> 00:12:15,449 Speaker 3: was probably probably three, four years old. 224 00:12:16,130 --> 00:12:18,070 Speaker 4: And I'm a pastor. I'm a Christian. 225 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:21,550 Speaker 3: I've been a Christian now for eight, nine years. And 226 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:24,819 Speaker 3: he does something and I grab it and I shoved him. 227 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: And when I shoved him, he bounced off the wall. 228 00:12:28,140 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: And I said these words to myself, I'm just like 229 00:12:31,340 --> 00:12:37,290 Speaker 3: my dad. I'm just like my dad. And The difference was, 230 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: is I'm a Christian. My dad wasn't a Christian. Why 231 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,469 Speaker 3: am I still like this? And so when I said, 232 00:12:44,510 --> 00:12:46,890 Speaker 3: I'm just like my dad, I thought, is there something 233 00:12:46,950 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: in the Bible that teaches what's in a father passes 234 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,020 Speaker 3: on to the son? 235 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 4: And I began to study that. 236 00:12:54,140 --> 00:12:56,700 Speaker 3: And I found out that not only is that in 237 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,140 Speaker 3: the Bible, it's in there over 325 times. And so 238 00:13:00,230 --> 00:13:02,150 Speaker 3: I began to study this, and this is where I 239 00:13:02,190 --> 00:13:06,670 Speaker 3: realized that if all Jesus ever did was forgive me 240 00:13:06,730 --> 00:13:10,290 Speaker 3: of my sin, I couldn't worship and praise him and 241 00:13:10,350 --> 00:13:14,220 Speaker 3: serve him enough. but he got to the cross, not 242 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: just to die for our sin, but cursed is he 243 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: who hangs on a tree. And so he died on 244 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,580 Speaker 3: that cross to forgive us, yes, but also to break 245 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:29,150 Speaker 3: every curse that's come into our lives, where we overcome 246 00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:30,970 Speaker 3: the enemy by the blood of the lamb, the word 247 00:13:30,990 --> 00:13:34,470 Speaker 3: of the testimony, and Jesus shed his blood seven different times, 248 00:13:34,650 --> 00:13:39,470 Speaker 3: which is which is so biblical, it's amazing. But the 249 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:41,990 Speaker 3: last place he shed his blood was he stomped on 250 00:13:42,010 --> 00:13:45,090 Speaker 3: the devil's forehead and bruised his heel. And just for 251 00:13:45,110 --> 00:13:48,650 Speaker 3: your viewers, he's wounded for our transgression. A wound is 252 00:13:48,770 --> 00:13:52,670 Speaker 3: bleeding on the outside. That wound covers what we did, 253 00:13:52,929 --> 00:13:57,140 Speaker 3: but a bruise is bleeding on the inside. The word 254 00:13:57,340 --> 00:14:02,059 Speaker 3: iniquity in Hebrew is what's inside of us that makes. 255 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:04,290 Speaker 4: Us do what we do on the outside of us. 256 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,370 Speaker 3: And so when I realized that Jesus didn't just come 257 00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:11,370 Speaker 3: to forgive me, he came to break that generational, that 258 00:14:11,470 --> 00:14:14,630 Speaker 3: family curse. And that can be anger. It could be addiction. 259 00:14:14,690 --> 00:14:17,270 Speaker 3: It could be failure. It could be divorce. It could 260 00:14:17,309 --> 00:14:21,460 Speaker 3: be children, family going to prison. It could be the, 261 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 3: it's anything, anything that the enemy uses to attack us. 262 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:29,140 Speaker 3: The blood of Jesus has already covered that. And when we, 263 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:32,500 Speaker 3: when I found that out, It broke it. And so 264 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:36,030 Speaker 3: it's been in my family, in all my members of 265 00:14:36,050 --> 00:14:38,270 Speaker 3: my family, as long as I know. But all my kids, 266 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:40,730 Speaker 3: they're in the ministry. They're all serving God. So it 267 00:14:40,790 --> 00:14:43,190 Speaker 3: didn't just break it on me. And I tell people, 268 00:14:43,210 --> 00:14:44,770 Speaker 3: you ever go to the doctor and they have you 269 00:14:44,810 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: fill something out? Is there any family history of? this 270 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,420 Speaker 3: or any family history of that. Everything God does is 271 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: in the physical and the spiritual. So when we're looking 272 00:14:56,700 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: at the physical, let's look at the spiritual because they 273 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,380 Speaker 3: told my mom and dad, your son's a junkie. Once 274 00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: a junkie, always a junkie. The world says you never change, 275 00:15:07,090 --> 00:15:10,450 Speaker 3: but the word says who the son sets free shall 276 00:15:10,490 --> 00:15:12,870 Speaker 3: be free indeed. Amen. Amen. 277 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:15,890 Speaker 2: And I was so glad to read in your book 278 00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:19,359 Speaker 2: when you were speaking about generational curses, because I too 279 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,300 Speaker 2: have had to deal with them. I had a long 280 00:15:21,340 --> 00:15:24,900 Speaker 2: family history of depression. I finally got to the point 281 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:28,170 Speaker 2: in my life, even as a neuropsychologist, where I had 282 00:15:28,210 --> 00:15:31,070 Speaker 2: to say, no, this stops with me. This is not 283 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:35,770 Speaker 2: going to affect future generations. That is something so important 284 00:15:35,810 --> 00:15:39,570 Speaker 2: that we need to understand as believers. Friends, we're going 285 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:41,950 Speaker 2: to take a real short break, but we've got so 286 00:15:42,010 --> 00:15:45,250 Speaker 2: much more goodness to talk about with Pastor Larry right 287 00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: after this brief word from our sponsor. 288 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Pastor Larry, I'm loving. 289 00:15:51,660 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: This conversation because I can relate on so many different levels. 290 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,660 Speaker 2: Before the break, you were talking about the generational curses 291 00:15:59,860 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: in your own family history. But explain for a moment 292 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: for our listeners and our viewers where that may be 293 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,300 Speaker 2: a new term or it may seem a little different. 294 00:16:10,750 --> 00:16:14,310 Speaker 2: out there because it's not discussed in so many congregations. 295 00:16:14,530 --> 00:16:19,580 Speaker 2: Why do you believe that understanding generational curses is critical 296 00:16:19,660 --> 00:16:20,300 Speaker 2: for Christians? 297 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,940 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny that you say that because 298 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: in America, we really don't understand curses. It's just not, Doc, 299 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:33,530 Speaker 3: it's not part of our lingo. For some great Christian people, 300 00:16:33,550 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: I was doing a telethon in Europe. We were actually 301 00:16:36,860 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: in Italy, but it went all over Europe, and they 302 00:16:41,340 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: had me teach on breaking family curses. We say it 303 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: like this in America, like father, like son. You're just 304 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: like your grandmother. You're just like, and we say it 305 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,060 Speaker 3: without realizing that how true that is. And so when 306 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,460 Speaker 3: I taught on breaking generational curses, breaking, let's put it 307 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:02,390 Speaker 3: this way, because we don't like the word curse, breaking 308 00:17:02,830 --> 00:17:07,450 Speaker 3: negative generational patterns, they said the phones lit up 50 309 00:17:07,450 --> 00:17:11,190 Speaker 3: times more than the phones ever lit up before. Because 310 00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:15,830 Speaker 3: people over there, it's more in their background, it's more 311 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:20,510 Speaker 3: in their history. And unless we understand This is why I'm. 312 00:17:20,410 --> 00:17:21,489 Speaker 4: The way I am. 313 00:17:21,670 --> 00:17:24,270 Speaker 3: If you read the Bible, there's three ways a curse 314 00:17:24,350 --> 00:17:27,570 Speaker 3: comes on you. One is somebody puts a curse on you. 315 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:30,770 Speaker 3: They speak a curse on you. Number two, something that 316 00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:35,430 Speaker 3: was done to you. And I hate to use this illustration, 317 00:17:35,530 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: but it's so bizarre that someone who was an abused 318 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,669 Speaker 3: child has a great tendency to become a child abuser 319 00:17:46,869 --> 00:17:47,649 Speaker 3: when they're older. 320 00:17:47,850 --> 00:17:49,850 Speaker 4: Why? You would think just the opposite. 321 00:17:50,530 --> 00:17:52,649 Speaker 3: My dad was, when I was a little kid and 322 00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:55,859 Speaker 3: my dad beat me one time, broke all my ribs, 323 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:56,179 Speaker 3: and I. 324 00:17:56,130 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: Said, I'll never be like my dad. 325 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: And I ended up being just like my dad with 326 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,659 Speaker 3: that same anger, that same violence. And so, and then it's, 327 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,550 Speaker 3: Another way a curse comes on is the things we. 328 00:18:06,510 --> 00:18:09,210 Speaker 4: Say, the power of our words. 329 00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:13,410 Speaker 3: I teach Doc on the power of our words all 330 00:18:13,470 --> 00:18:16,990 Speaker 3: the time, and it just baffles me that people don't 331 00:18:17,109 --> 00:18:21,330 Speaker 3: realize there is life and death in the power of 332 00:18:21,410 --> 00:18:25,830 Speaker 3: your words. And so you can't say something negative about 333 00:18:27,810 --> 00:18:30,470 Speaker 3: and not understand that something negative is going to happen. 334 00:18:30,550 --> 00:18:33,130 Speaker 3: But at the same time, you can't let people say 335 00:18:33,210 --> 00:18:36,510 Speaker 3: something negative. And before we got on, we were talking, 336 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:40,390 Speaker 3: you asked how Tiz was, and Tiz has been fighting cancer. Scott, 337 00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:44,110 Speaker 3: your husband, God has defeated cancer with him 25 years. 338 00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: And Both of us said we never allow negative words. 339 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,700 Speaker 4: To be said. Never, never. In fact, we don't ever. 340 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,139 Speaker 3: You brought something very powerful up. Somebody, you never said 341 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 3: scotch cancer. And somebody came to me one time and said, well, 342 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:06,870 Speaker 3: how's Tiz's cancer doing? I said, it's not hers. It's 343 00:19:06,970 --> 00:19:11,530 Speaker 3: not hers. It's trespassing on blood-bought property. And so those 344 00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:15,740 Speaker 3: three ways, we've got to be aware that curses are real. 345 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: Nobody wants to be a drug addict. Nobody wants to 346 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,450 Speaker 3: be an alcoholic. Nobody wants to be full of anger 347 00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:26,530 Speaker 3: or depression. Nobody wants to be in a family that 348 00:19:26,590 --> 00:19:32,730 Speaker 3: constantly fails. These are generational or family curses that pass 349 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: from generation to generation. 350 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 4: But Jesus broke that. 351 00:19:37,420 --> 00:19:41,140 Speaker 3: When we say We're redeemed by the blood. And I'll 352 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,730 Speaker 3: say in a pastor's conference, where did Jesus shed his blood? 353 00:19:44,910 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 3: And people go, at Calvary. And I said, well, you 354 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:50,540 Speaker 3: got part of it. Jesus shed his blood in the garden, 355 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:54,340 Speaker 3: brought back our willpower. Not my will, but thy will 356 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,109 Speaker 3: be done. Adam lost our willpower in the garden of 357 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,830 Speaker 3: Eden when God said, don't touch that tree. And he said, 358 00:19:59,869 --> 00:20:02,330 Speaker 3: not your will, but, and then Satan became the God 359 00:20:02,350 --> 00:20:05,070 Speaker 3: of this world. Jesus shed his blood. Crown of thorns 360 00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: were cursed by the sweat of Adam's brow. we're redeemed 361 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: by the blood on Jesus' brow, and we can go 362 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,790 Speaker 3: on and on. But most people don't understand that being 363 00:20:16,869 --> 00:20:20,510 Speaker 3: redeemed to the power of God, these curses being broken 364 00:20:20,650 --> 00:20:23,750 Speaker 3: and the blessings being released is not just the phrase 365 00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:26,490 Speaker 3: we're redeemed by the blood. We've got to understand what 366 00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:29,890 Speaker 3: that blood has done. And the last place Jesus shed 367 00:20:29,910 --> 00:20:32,230 Speaker 3: his blood as we were talking, he stomped on the 368 00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:36,230 Speaker 3: devil's forehead. He took the keys from life of life 369 00:20:36,350 --> 00:20:39,260 Speaker 3: and death. He took the keys. When he said to Peter, 370 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,820 Speaker 3: who do you say that I am? He said, you're 371 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: the Christ. And he said, now I give you the keys. 372 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 3: And now we need to understand. I taught something in 373 00:20:47,660 --> 00:20:51,330 Speaker 3: the church of last Sunday of a breakthrough. It's your 374 00:20:51,490 --> 00:20:54,230 Speaker 3: time for a breakthrough. And I said, we are not 375 00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:58,470 Speaker 3: God's beggars. We're joint heirs. Whatever you bind on earth. Now, poof. 376 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,060 Speaker 4: Turn to your neighbor and pray with them. Bind that thing. 377 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 3: What are you facing? Well, I'm facing my kids are 378 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 3: all out on drugs. All right, bind that thing. Take 379 00:21:09,420 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 3: authority over that. And so anyway, when I learned that 380 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: I could take authority and break these generational curses in 381 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: my life, the most wonderful thing is, It not only 382 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: broke it. 383 00:21:23,010 --> 00:21:24,230 Speaker 4: Let me give you one more example. 384 00:21:24,530 --> 00:21:27,450 Speaker 3: When we were sitting with Tiz in the doctor's office 385 00:21:27,609 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 3: and the doctor said, well, I think I can give 386 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: you four months. 387 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:35,370 Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there with my daughter's And he said. 388 00:21:35,770 --> 00:21:39,150 Speaker 3: And you have a gene in you that will pass 389 00:21:39,330 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: this on to your grandchildren, your granddaughters, your sons. And 390 00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: of course, we didn't say anything to him. We walked 391 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 3: out and we said, this will not happen. We have 392 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,939 Speaker 3: the power to break down. 393 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:55,590 Speaker 4: Generational curses, whether they're physical or spiritual. 394 00:21:55,810 --> 00:21:59,430 Speaker 3: He calls us back in six weeks later. His nurse 395 00:21:59,490 --> 00:22:01,990 Speaker 3: comes in before him and she looks, she goes, only 396 00:22:02,030 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: he could do this. And the doctor goes, and he said, well, 397 00:22:04,859 --> 00:22:07,580 Speaker 3: did she tell you? And she said, I didn't say anything. 398 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:13,100 Speaker 3: And he said, there's no explanation. But that gene that 399 00:22:13,380 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 3: I knew you had, that would pass this cancer on 400 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,940 Speaker 3: to your sons, your daughters, your grandparents. 401 00:22:19,340 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 4: It's not there. 402 00:22:20,859 --> 00:22:25,430 Speaker 3: At the same time, my grandson, Doc, was going through leukemia, 403 00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:30,830 Speaker 3: rare form. No child has ever survived this kind of leukemia. 404 00:22:31,369 --> 00:22:33,970 Speaker 3: He was seven months old. This was right before Tiz 405 00:22:34,030 --> 00:22:38,290 Speaker 3: got sick. And they said, you won't survive. There's no, 406 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:41,230 Speaker 3: no one's ever survived it. They called us in. They said, 407 00:22:41,290 --> 00:22:45,129 Speaker 3: we can't understand this. God put a gene. We called 408 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,410 Speaker 3: the heads of children's hospitals of cancer around the world. Lion, 409 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:53,609 Speaker 3: that's my grandson's name, Lion has a gene in him 410 00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:58,310 Speaker 3: that there's no medical history anywhere in the world of 411 00:22:58,369 --> 00:23:02,410 Speaker 3: a child his age having this gene. So God put 412 00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:07,190 Speaker 3: a gene in Lion, took a gene out of Tiz. 413 00:23:07,530 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: And so one of the reasons I wrote this book 414 00:23:10,910 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: is to let people know, if God does this. 415 00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 4: For me, he can do it for you. 416 00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:19,580 Speaker 3: But also to show people Listen, we're in spiritual warfare. 417 00:23:19,820 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: Yes. 418 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: This is a battle. Don't give up. Don't say, well, 419 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 3: once a junkie, always a junkie. That's what the doctor said. 420 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: I thank God for every single doctor. And I say 421 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:34,140 Speaker 3: this with all due respect. Doctors are practicing medicine. Jesus 422 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:38,930 Speaker 3: perfected medicine. And so the world says we're without hope. 423 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: But God tells us that through the blood of Jesus, 424 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:45,540 Speaker 3: the power, I just taught this, the power of his 425 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 3: resurrection is in every one of you who are listening. 426 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,530 Speaker 3: The power that raised Jesus from the dead, that same 427 00:23:52,670 --> 00:23:56,790 Speaker 3: power is in you or in your children. So whatever 428 00:23:56,810 --> 00:24:00,190 Speaker 3: you're facing, we can be and we will be more 429 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:01,790 Speaker 3: than conquerors. Amen. 430 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:04,940 Speaker 2: Oh, I want to get into more of your story 431 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: and how you came through this to encourage our listeners 432 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:11,090 Speaker 2: because we have so many listeners and viewers who either 433 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,110 Speaker 2: are struggling with some form of addiction themselves or they 434 00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:17,669 Speaker 2: have a spouse or a child or a grandchild. And 435 00:24:17,770 --> 00:24:21,470 Speaker 2: I want them to see that if God could turn 436 00:24:21,530 --> 00:24:25,460 Speaker 2: you from a junkie into a minister who's ministering around 437 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,699 Speaker 2: the world, there is hope for them. So we're going 438 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: to continue this discussion right after this word from our sponsor. 439 00:24:34,619 --> 00:24:37,220 Speaker 2: Pastor Larry, how did you go from being a junkie 440 00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:41,410 Speaker 2: who knew nothing about the Bible to becoming a pastor 441 00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:43,369 Speaker 2: serving others who are down and out? 442 00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:47,570 Speaker 3: Yeah, the reason, Doc, I wrote, I really felt God 443 00:24:47,869 --> 00:24:51,410 Speaker 3: tell me to write this book and to tell your 444 00:24:51,770 --> 00:24:55,730 Speaker 3: viewers that it really reads more like a novel than 445 00:24:55,790 --> 00:24:57,710 Speaker 3: it does like a Christian book. 446 00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:00,590 Speaker 4: One of the things is I had my aunt. 447 00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:04,590 Speaker 3: Who never gave up on me. She knew I was 448 00:25:04,670 --> 00:25:07,950 Speaker 3: a drug addict. She's a wonderful, wonderful Christian woman. She 449 00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:12,990 Speaker 3: never gave up on me. She prayed continually. She always would, 450 00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:17,260 Speaker 3: in her prayers, see me in her mind's eye, that 451 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,950 Speaker 3: she would tell us, not as a drug addict, not 452 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,460 Speaker 3: as somebody in trouble with the police, but as a 453 00:25:23,859 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: man serving God. And so when I got back to 454 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:30,899 Speaker 3: the US to meet a shipment of drugs, found out 455 00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:32,340 Speaker 3: there were several federal. 456 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 4: Warrants out for my arrest. 457 00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: I actually had some drug dealers staying at my home 458 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 3: out in the country. And I get a note that 459 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,949 Speaker 3: from my aunt. And she said, I was praying for 460 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:50,490 Speaker 3: you today, and I really feel like God is getting 461 00:25:50,550 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: ready to do something. And long story short, I'm high 462 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: on drugs. I can't sleep. This is back in the 463 00:25:57,180 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: days when there's nothing on television. Everything goes off at 464 00:26:00,580 --> 00:26:02,590 Speaker 3: midnight or something. But I got up and there was 465 00:26:02,850 --> 00:26:05,670 Speaker 3: one show on there. And I couldn't tell you, Dr. Michelle, 466 00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:07,770 Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you if it was Billy Graham or 467 00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: Oral Roberts. I couldn't tell you who it was. I 468 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:13,540 Speaker 3: knew nothing about church. And he said, you're sick and 469 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:17,190 Speaker 3: tired of being sick and tired. The answer is Jesus. 470 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,899 Speaker 3: just pray with me right now. So I'm in the 471 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:24,230 Speaker 3: middle of several drug deals, and somebody on television said, 472 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:24,830 Speaker 3: just pray. 473 00:26:24,910 --> 00:26:26,510 Speaker 4: And so I prayed. I didn't know what it meant. 474 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:28,609 Speaker 3: But I look at that right after that, and I 475 00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:32,550 Speaker 3: look at how God began to orchestrate me getting out 476 00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:36,290 Speaker 3: of town, getting to Flagstaff, running into this young man, 477 00:26:36,530 --> 00:26:39,940 Speaker 3: witnessing to me. And so the power of a mother's 478 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: prayer The power of, and my mom was praying for 479 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,740 Speaker 3: me too. My mom's the sweetest person in the world. 480 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,300 Speaker 3: In fact, next week we're doing her memorial service. She's 481 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,899 Speaker 3: gone on to be with the Lord, 96 years old. 482 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,340 Speaker 3: They never gave up. They never gave up. But here's 483 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: a key. Somebody like me, you've got to get them 484 00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: in the right church. You've got to get them in 485 00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:06,850 Speaker 3: the church. The key way is I came, Bill Trejo 486 00:27:06,869 --> 00:27:08,610 Speaker 3: kept coming over. You got to come to church, got 487 00:27:08,619 --> 00:27:10,550 Speaker 3: to come to church. So I finally went to church 488 00:27:10,609 --> 00:27:14,170 Speaker 3: with him and saw the movie by Johnny Cash. I said, okay, 489 00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:17,169 Speaker 3: we got a movie. It's Johnny Cash and Chris Christopherson, 490 00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:19,490 Speaker 3: and it's called The Gospel Road. I don't know if 491 00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:22,190 Speaker 3: you've ever seen it. It's It's so old. 492 00:27:22,450 --> 00:27:25,740 Speaker 4: The end of that, it shows Jesus dying on the cross. 493 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 3: And like I said, I knew nothing about Christianity, nothing 494 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,590 Speaker 3: about the Bible, but it showed him dying on the 495 00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:35,150 Speaker 3: cross at Calvary. And it hit me that this was true. 496 00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:38,459 Speaker 3: But then it showed him dying on the cross, Doc. 497 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,350 Speaker 3: But the cross this time was in the streets of 498 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,650 Speaker 3: East L.A. amongst gangbangers. And then it showed him dying 499 00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:47,030 Speaker 3: on the cross, but it was in Times Square or 500 00:27:47,369 --> 00:27:49,030 Speaker 3: drug addicts and prostitutes. 501 00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:54,290 Speaker 4: And somehow I knew that was for me. I knew it. 502 00:27:54,550 --> 00:27:58,510 Speaker 3: It was just the presence of God. It was a 503 00:27:58,530 --> 00:28:01,609 Speaker 3: little church of about 50 people. The pastor has the 504 00:28:01,690 --> 00:28:03,930 Speaker 3: altar call, but there's no way I'm going to go 505 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:06,310 Speaker 3: up the altar call. And to this day, I don't 506 00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:09,100 Speaker 3: remember getting out of my seat. I don't remember walking down. 507 00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: And next thing I know, I'm kneeling there praying. And Donna, 508 00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 3: one of the girls I was living with, she came down. 509 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: I have no shoes on, no shirt on. I got 510 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:22,050 Speaker 3: a poncho, earrings hanging in, needle marks up and down 511 00:28:22,109 --> 00:28:25,030 Speaker 3: my arms. And the people in the church all walked 512 00:28:25,090 --> 00:28:27,470 Speaker 3: around me. Nobody prayed. Now, that became my church. And 513 00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:30,129 Speaker 3: it was a great lesson for everybody. But everybody looked 514 00:28:30,170 --> 00:28:33,330 Speaker 3: at me and said, they'll never make it. And they 515 00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:35,530 Speaker 3: all walked around. And so nobody, we didn't know how 516 00:28:35,550 --> 00:28:38,110 Speaker 3: to pray. So I just kneel in there and I just, 517 00:28:38,290 --> 00:28:41,090 Speaker 3: I could feel the presence of God. And I just said, God, 518 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: if you're real, be real to me. And it felt 519 00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: like a million pounds lifted off of me. And I 520 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: don't know nothing about being born again, receiving Jesus. 521 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,700 Speaker 4: But here's a great lesson. 522 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: You've got to get people like me into the right 523 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,300 Speaker 3: church where people don't look on the outside. 524 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 4: Man looks on the outside, God looks on the inside. 525 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,140 Speaker 3: Now that became my church and they learned a great lesson, 526 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,830 Speaker 3: but they looked at me and they said, somebody like 527 00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:11,470 Speaker 3: him would never make it. The second thing that was 528 00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:15,130 Speaker 3: important is they believed once you got saved, you need 529 00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:17,010 Speaker 3: to be part of changing the world. 530 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:19,250 Speaker 4: And so they taught us to pray. They taught us 531 00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:19,930 Speaker 4: to witness. 532 00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:22,770 Speaker 3: They taught us to share wherever we went, share the 533 00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:26,540 Speaker 3: love of Jesus Christ. And that sharing Jesus is what 534 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,220 Speaker 3: kept that stream flowing. Just being religious and going to 535 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: church and singing Kumbaya would have never helped me. It 536 00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:37,090 Speaker 3: would have never done it. They discipled us and they 537 00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:39,310 Speaker 3: taught us. that we went out in the streets and 538 00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:42,550 Speaker 3: shared Jesus with other people. We went to Mexico and 539 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:47,100 Speaker 3: shared Jesus wherever we went. And I believe the key 540 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: to anybody, but the key to me especially or somebody 541 00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:54,140 Speaker 3: like me that's got an addictive tendency is you've got 542 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,810 Speaker 3: to keep that stream flowing. You'll never hold on. You'll 543 00:29:57,940 --> 00:30:01,750 Speaker 3: never hold on to, and even just the younger generation, 544 00:30:01,850 --> 00:30:03,130 Speaker 3: you've got to be. 545 00:30:03,130 --> 00:30:05,330 Speaker 4: Involved with changing the world. 546 00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:08,330 Speaker 3: And when I realized what Jesus had done for me, 547 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:11,850 Speaker 3: God had called me to take so it could happen 548 00:30:11,890 --> 00:30:14,690 Speaker 3: for somebody else. And that was the key that somebody 549 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: asked me just the other day, have you ever thought 550 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,340 Speaker 3: about retiring? How can you retire from changing the world 551 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,980 Speaker 3: and telling people about Jesus? 552 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 4: It's an amazing story. 553 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: And the whole key is that wherever I go, I 554 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,260 Speaker 3: tell people what God's done. 555 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: For me, he can do for you. 556 00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:32,540 Speaker 3: And there's nobody that doesn't need God to do a 557 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: miracle for them. 558 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: I think that's so true. And I think it's key. 559 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 2: I want our listeners and viewers to key in on 560 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,340 Speaker 2: the fact that you talked about your mother and your 561 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: aunt continually praying for you. And scripture says that the 562 00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:49,090 Speaker 2: fervent prayers of the righteous availeth much, but it can 563 00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:51,790 Speaker 2: be so hard when you're not seeing the change, but 564 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:56,450 Speaker 2: you're not responsible for the change. You're responsible to be obedient, 565 00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: to keep bringing that loved one before the throne. And 566 00:30:59,940 --> 00:31:02,540 Speaker 2: you might be the one that God calls and says, 567 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: I know you've never approached a stranger before, but just 568 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,900 Speaker 2: like that young man who could look at you and say, 569 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,550 Speaker 2: I've been there. What you need is Jesus. When you 570 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,210 Speaker 2: feel that nudge, go, talk, speak, encourage, provide hope. You're 571 00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:21,530 Speaker 2: not responsible for the outcome. But when God is nudging you, 572 00:31:21,610 --> 00:31:23,150 Speaker 2: he's ready to do a work. 573 00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:27,650 Speaker 3: That's so important that you say that because Bill came 574 00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:29,950 Speaker 3: up to me that day, walked across the street and said, 575 00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:32,969 Speaker 3: and we get away. And he just kept coming. He 576 00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:34,750 Speaker 3: ended up living right next to us, him and his 577 00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 3: mom in a little shack, Mexican mother, little shack, very poor. 578 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,610 Speaker 3: Nobody's witnessed to me since then. I travel around the world. 579 00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:48,930 Speaker 3: I'm in airports. I'm everywhere. Nobody since Bill came up 580 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:51,710 Speaker 3: and said, I couldn't walk away until I told you 581 00:31:51,790 --> 00:31:54,250 Speaker 3: Jesus is who you're looking for. And I think about 582 00:31:54,290 --> 00:31:57,150 Speaker 3: that all the time. What if Bill hadn't done it? 583 00:31:57,370 --> 00:31:59,230 Speaker 3: What if Bill would have looked at me and said, 584 00:31:59,810 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: this guy's a junkie. This guy's a drug addict. This 585 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 3: guy looks scary. This guy doesn't look like somebody that 586 00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: would go to church. What if he had said no? 587 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,610 Speaker 3: Maybe God would have said somebody else. 588 00:32:10,790 --> 00:32:11,350 Speaker 4: I don't know. 589 00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:14,310 Speaker 3: But nobody, and Tiz talks about this all the time, 590 00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:18,290 Speaker 3: nobody has witnessed to me or come up to me 591 00:32:18,850 --> 00:32:22,770 Speaker 3: and said, in all these years, and said, Jesus is 592 00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:26,150 Speaker 3: who you're looking for. If Bill hadn't do it. So please, 593 00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:29,310 Speaker 3: when you feel that nudge, oh, can I tell you 594 00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:33,700 Speaker 3: about that nudge? Tiz is out in LA in the hospital. 595 00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 4: She has to be very careful. because of germs and stuff. 596 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,780 Speaker 3: And so she stays, you know, when she's in the 597 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 3: hospital for treatment, she pretty much stays to herself, her 598 00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:43,220 Speaker 3: and my daughter. 599 00:32:43,420 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 4: But she saw this gal. 600 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,790 Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit younger than Tiz, and tattooed up and, 601 00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:52,170 Speaker 3: you know, dressed real old hippie style and stuff. She 602 00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:55,030 Speaker 3: just felt drawn to her. Anyway, they become best friends. 603 00:32:55,750 --> 00:33:00,770 Speaker 3: And they became friends. And so she called, said, I'm 604 00:33:00,790 --> 00:33:02,730 Speaker 3: going to be out there. Can I meet with you? 605 00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:05,110 Speaker 3: Kids grabbed my book to bring to her. 606 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,630 Speaker 4: This is just a couple of weeks ago. 607 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,860 Speaker 3: And it ends up her dad was one of the 608 00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 3: pilots that we were. 609 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:16,140 Speaker 4: All using, flying the cocaine in and out. 610 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:19,500 Speaker 3: And so her and her dad had been estranged and 611 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,110 Speaker 3: everything and all this. And she brings the book and 612 00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:24,250 Speaker 3: this gal's reading or looking at the book. She goes, 613 00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:27,110 Speaker 3: you've got to be kidding me. And I won't say 614 00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:29,330 Speaker 3: the name, but I know who her dad was. And 615 00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:30,410 Speaker 3: so here it is. 616 00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:33,730 Speaker 4: Kids looking at this gal feels drawn to this. 617 00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:37,910 Speaker 3: And so people aren't just going to believe just because 618 00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: they believe. God can do anything. But when you're drawn 619 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,910 Speaker 3: to somebody, don't look on the outside. Don't look at 620 00:33:45,370 --> 00:33:48,150 Speaker 3: the way the world looks at them. Look at the 621 00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:52,610 Speaker 3: way God, and that's true. That's true for your children 622 00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:53,790 Speaker 3: or your grandchildren. 623 00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 4: Don't see them away from God. Don't see them doing drugs. 624 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 4: Don't see them in rebellion. See them when you're praying. 625 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,830 Speaker 4: See them. lifting their hands and worshiping God. See them. 626 00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 3: My two grand boys, I have two grand boys, twins, 627 00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:11,590 Speaker 3: Asher and Yehuda, and they went through a few years 628 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,140 Speaker 3: of rebellion, and now they're back in. One of them 629 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 3: real soon, the other one next semester is getting ready 630 00:34:20,140 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 3: to go to Bible school, Christ for the Nations. You've 631 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,540 Speaker 3: got to see your children as the way God sees them. 632 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,859 Speaker 3: Don't see them, anyway. 633 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: I think that's so important. 634 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: And I want to continue that thought because there are 635 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: parents who have children who are lost to drugs or 636 00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: an alternate lifestyle or some other kind of spiritual or 637 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: moral bondage. Pastor Larry, what kind of hope can you 638 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,020 Speaker 2: give them today? 639 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,140 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you something that most of your viewers 640 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,710 Speaker 3: don't know. The Bible says, remember the Sabbath and keep 641 00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:52,450 Speaker 3: it holy. A lot of my teaching I do, I 642 00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:56,490 Speaker 3: do Jewish roots of our faith. What did a Jewish 643 00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:59,710 Speaker 3: Jesus mean? And so everything I read, I go to 644 00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:02,489 Speaker 3: the original Hebrew. One of the things God says is 645 00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:04,190 Speaker 3: remember the Sabbath. 646 00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:06,589 Speaker 4: And keep it holy. So there's a way to do that. 647 00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: And so when the Sabbath begins, there's a way that 648 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 3: God teaches the welcome in the Sabbath. 649 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 4: And one of the things you do is you. 650 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 3: Pray a certain prayer over your sons and over your daughters, 651 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,020 Speaker 3: your grandsons and your granddaughters. And for the sons, we pray, Lord, 652 00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: we thank you that all of our sons are like 653 00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:35,509 Speaker 3: Ephraim and Manasseh. Ephraim and Manasseh were the two brothers 654 00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:41,529 Speaker 3: that while Israel was surrounded by paganism and heathenism and 655 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:46,170 Speaker 3: false gods, Ephraim and Manasseh stayed faithful to the God 656 00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:47,819 Speaker 3: of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 657 00:35:48,090 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 4: And so the Bible, once. 658 00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:52,219 Speaker 3: Again, Doc, you know this, we were talking about this, 659 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,380 Speaker 3: the power of our words, calling things that are not 660 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 3: as though they were. 661 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,540 Speaker 4: Our words create. 662 00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:03,180 Speaker 3: As truly as I live, God says, as there's not 663 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,930 Speaker 3: a more true statement in the world than God lives. 664 00:36:05,969 --> 00:36:08,260 Speaker 3: He's the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and none before him, 665 00:36:08,290 --> 00:36:10,750 Speaker 3: none after him. He says, as truly as I live, 666 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:15,290 Speaker 3: that which you have spoken in my ears, so shall 667 00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:18,469 Speaker 3: I do to you. So when we would pray over 668 00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:23,069 Speaker 3: our sons and our grandchildren, we would say, God, we 669 00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:26,740 Speaker 3: thank you that you've made Asher and Yehudah like Ephraim 670 00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 3: and Manasseh. We're not looking at their problems. We're not 671 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:33,819 Speaker 3: looking at the drugs. We're not looking at any of that. 672 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,700 Speaker 3: We're speaking that into existence. The same thing with our daughters. 673 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 3: I mean, they'd be like Rebecca, Sarah, Rachel, and Leah. 674 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,569 Speaker 3: And so for years, we do that. And now they're 675 00:36:44,590 --> 00:36:49,649 Speaker 3: like Ephraim and Manasseh. And so speaking positive things over 676 00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:54,649 Speaker 3: your children, over your grandchildren, and When the Bible says 677 00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:57,230 Speaker 3: we're made in the image of God, what does that mean? 678 00:36:57,350 --> 00:37:02,009 Speaker 3: God spoke the world into existence. That's why God says 679 00:37:02,030 --> 00:37:04,310 Speaker 3: there's life and death in the power. 680 00:37:03,989 --> 00:37:06,890 Speaker 4: Of your tongue. So we never talk, say, no, man, 681 00:37:07,090 --> 00:37:09,860 Speaker 4: they'll never come to God. They're on drugs. No, we 682 00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:11,500 Speaker 4: would say what God says. 683 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 3: We thank you that they're already like Ephraim and Manasseh, 684 00:37:15,940 --> 00:37:16,900 Speaker 3: and it works. 685 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 4: The power of The power of our words. 686 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:22,060 Speaker 3: And that's the same thing that my mother did with 687 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:25,620 Speaker 3: me and my aunt did with me. My mom came 688 00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:29,370 Speaker 3: to visit us years and years ago and she told Tiz, 689 00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:33,430 Speaker 3: she said, when Larry first left St. Louis, I was 690 00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:35,730 Speaker 3: glad to see him go because I knew he was 691 00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:38,230 Speaker 3: a drug addict. And I knew he was dealing with 692 00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:41,410 Speaker 3: very bad people. And she said, I figured I'd never 693 00:37:41,489 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 3: see him alive again. He'd either overdose or someone would 694 00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:48,660 Speaker 3: kill him and his body would be out in the desert. 695 00:37:48,980 --> 00:37:53,340 Speaker 3: And she said, but I'd never stopped believing that God 696 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:55,890 Speaker 3: would keep his hands on him. And so we have 697 00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:57,610 Speaker 3: to look at it that way. And we have to 698 00:37:57,670 --> 00:38:04,509 Speaker 3: understand that sometimes we need to share. Listen, Jesus is 699 00:38:04,570 --> 00:38:07,250 Speaker 3: who you're looking for. But sometimes we need to just 700 00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:11,850 Speaker 3: speak it over their lives. calling those things which are 701 00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:14,569 Speaker 3: not as though they were. The Bible says, meditate on 702 00:38:14,610 --> 00:38:17,129 Speaker 3: my word. That word meditate in Hebrew means to see 703 00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,930 Speaker 3: it and say it. So you say it, Lord, I 704 00:38:18,969 --> 00:38:21,049 Speaker 3: thank you that our kids are gonna be serving God. 705 00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 3: I thank you that you're gonna salvage our home, our marriage. 706 00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:25,420 Speaker 4: I thank you. 707 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,940 Speaker 3: And then you see it in your mind's eye. You 708 00:38:28,219 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 3: meditate on it. The devil wants you to meditate. I'm 709 00:38:31,219 --> 00:38:34,860 Speaker 3: doing a message this Sunday in church. Remember when Abraham 710 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:37,540 Speaker 3: came to God and he said, God, you promised. 711 00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:38,780 Speaker 4: Where's the promise? 712 00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:42,590 Speaker 3: And God said, all right, bring me the sacrifice, split 713 00:38:42,610 --> 00:38:45,150 Speaker 3: them in half and stand and I'll come through the 714 00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:48,940 Speaker 3: sacrifice and answer your prayer. But what showed up first? 715 00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 3: The buzzards, the buzzards of doubt, the buzzards of logic, 716 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,790 Speaker 3: the buzzards of reality. And Abraham had to drive the 717 00:38:57,870 --> 00:39:01,730 Speaker 3: buzzards off. And that's what you've got to do. My aunt, 718 00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:06,460 Speaker 3: my mom never gave up. The world says once a junkie, 719 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,739 Speaker 3: always a junkie. I remember standing in court and the 720 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 3: judge saying, your kid's. 721 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 4: A drug addict. He'll always be a drug addict. 722 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:16,110 Speaker 3: I just did a message. And why do we call 723 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:21,290 Speaker 3: it Good Friday? Because, yeah, it looks terrible. They're arresting Jesus. 724 00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 3: They're betraying Jesus. They're beating Jesus. Why do we call 725 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,230 Speaker 3: it Good Friday? Because Sunday's coming. And I want to 726 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:29,930 Speaker 3: say to every one of your viewers, in ancient Hebrew, 727 00:39:29,969 --> 00:39:33,630 Speaker 3: there's no word for coincidence. If you're listening to Doc's 728 00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:37,660 Speaker 3: broadcast right now, it's for a reason. It may feel 729 00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:42,140 Speaker 3: like Friday, but the power of his resurrection is in you. 730 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,660 Speaker 3: It may feel like Friday, but I guarantee you, through 731 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,100 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, Sunday's coming. Amen. 732 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,020 Speaker 1: Amen. I think it's a matter of where we keep 733 00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: our focus. 734 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 2: My listeners and viewers know that all the time I 735 00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,980 Speaker 2: tell them that as far as our brain functioning goes, 736 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 2: what we focus on grows. So if we focus on 737 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,940 Speaker 2: those negative thoughts, if we focus on those doubts, if 738 00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:06,940 Speaker 2: we focus on the. 739 00:40:06,930 --> 00:40:09,810 Speaker 1: Discouragement, our brain is going to search for more of that. 740 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:13,029 Speaker 2: But if we focus on God's word and his promises 741 00:40:13,210 --> 00:40:17,470 Speaker 2: and believe even before we see it, We will see 742 00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:21,770 Speaker 2: more of that. And that, friends, is so crucial when 743 00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:24,739 Speaker 2: you're dealing with a loved one who's dealing with addiction 744 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 2: or generational curses. You've got to focus on what God 745 00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 2: has already declared to be true. 746 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 747 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,180 Speaker 1: Pastor Larry, as we. 748 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,529 Speaker 2: Wrap up this episode, if a listener or viewer is 749 00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:41,730 Speaker 2: resonating with our conversation today, what hope-filled perspective do you 750 00:40:41,770 --> 00:40:42,730 Speaker 2: want to leave them with? 751 00:40:43,070 --> 00:40:44,950 Speaker 3: If God can do it for me, our God has 752 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:48,250 Speaker 3: no respect for persons. If he can do it for one, 753 00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:51,210 Speaker 3: He can do it for everyone. You know, when you're 754 00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:54,260 Speaker 3: talking about focusing, Doc, let me give people an example. 755 00:40:54,380 --> 00:41:00,500 Speaker 3: Cast down imaginations, reasonings, and logic that exalt themselves above 756 00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 3: the Word of God. Reasonings and logics are, yeah, they're 757 00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:06,780 Speaker 3: doing drugs, or yeah, this is happening or that happening. 758 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,140 Speaker 3: But the Word of God says... you and your family 759 00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:13,549 Speaker 3: shall be saved. And you got to see it. You 760 00:41:13,570 --> 00:41:14,300 Speaker 3: got to say it. 761 00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:16,610 Speaker 4: You got to claim it. You got to speak it 762 00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:17,310 Speaker 4: out and. 763 00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:21,530 Speaker 3: Create it because the power of your faith, the power 764 00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:25,190 Speaker 3: of your thoughts, the power of your words will change 765 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:26,310 Speaker 3: a person's world. 766 00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:28,110 Speaker 4: Our God is almighty. 767 00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:30,510 Speaker 3: The God we serve, remember when the women were coming 768 00:41:30,610 --> 00:41:33,950 Speaker 3: to the tomb, they were walking, their disciples were hiding 769 00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:36,350 Speaker 3: and they were going to do what they're supposed to do. 770 00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:39,549 Speaker 4: But they said, Who will remove the stone for us? 771 00:41:39,969 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 4: And then they looked up. 772 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,460 Speaker 3: You got to keep looking up because the miracle God 773 00:41:45,780 --> 00:41:48,819 Speaker 3: wants to give you is bigger than any stone that's 774 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,020 Speaker 3: blocking the power of his resurrection. God is the biggest 775 00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:55,010 Speaker 3: between Friday and Sunday and Sunday's coming. 776 00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:58,070 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Pastor Larry, thank you for sharing of 777 00:41:58,110 --> 00:41:58,930 Speaker 1: your testimony. 778 00:41:59,050 --> 00:42:01,650 Speaker 2: We will put all the information about Pastor Larry and 779 00:42:01,730 --> 00:42:04,300 Speaker 2: his ministry in the show notes that you can find 780 00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:05,979 Speaker 2: at drmichelleb.com. 781 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: Listener, viewer, I want to leave you. 782 00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:11,700 Speaker 2: With Joel 2 verse 25 that says, I will restore 783 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,379 Speaker 2: to you the years that the swarming locusts have eaten. 784 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,660 Speaker 1: It's not over, my friends. It's not over. 785 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,290 Speaker 2: God is in the restoration business. So you keep praying. 786 00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 2: You keep speaking. You keep declaring truth. Your miracle is coming. Friends, 787 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 2: it was a delight to be with you for another. 788 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: Episode of Your Hope-Filled Perspective. I look forward to. 789 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,979 Speaker 2: Being with you for another engaging, biblically-based, hope-filled perspective next week. 790 00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:38,140 Speaker 2: But until then, you know it's my prayer for you 791 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,910 Speaker 2: that you will have a hope-filled week. 792 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:47,469 Speaker 5: Your ragged and torn past may be the key to 793 00:42:47,530 --> 00:42:52,589 Speaker 5: God's future for you. We all endure trials, pain, and 794 00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 5: hardship in this life. Too often, we believe these experiences 795 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,100 Speaker 5: disqualify us from being useful to God. But the truth is, 796 00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:08,509 Speaker 5: your past pain and brokenness serve as preparation for what 797 00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:13,569 Speaker 5: God wants to do in and through you, if you 798 00:43:13,610 --> 00:43:19,860 Speaker 5: will surrender to and trust Him. In Sacred Scars, neuropsychologist 799 00:43:19,989 --> 00:43:25,380 Speaker 5: and fellow sufferer, Dr. Michelle Bankson helps you understand the 800 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,810 Speaker 5: suffering from a biblical perspective, discover how the trials of 801 00:43:29,850 --> 00:43:33,850 Speaker 5: your life serve a purpose, reflect on the healing that 802 00:43:33,930 --> 00:43:38,250 Speaker 5: God has accomplished, and comfort others with the comfort God 803 00:43:38,330 --> 00:43:43,819 Speaker 5: has given you. Just as Jesus' scars didn't disappear after 804 00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 5: his resurrection and confirmed that he. 805 00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 4: Was who he said he was. 806 00:43:48,739 --> 00:43:52,250 Speaker 5: And that he did what he said he'd do, Our 807 00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:57,650 Speaker 5: emotional or physical scars tell our story and lend credence 808 00:43:57,870 --> 00:44:02,549 Speaker 5: to our testimony of God's love and power. If you 809 00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:06,259 Speaker 5: are ready to turn your past pain into present comfort 810 00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 5: and future hope, let Dr. Bankston be your compassionate guide. 811 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 5: Jill Savage, host of the No More Perfect podcast and 812 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,580 Speaker 5: author of No More Perfect Marriages, had this to say 813 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,170 Speaker 5: about sacred scars. While we wish for a pain-free life, 814 00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 5: the dark seasons are where God invites us into the 815 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,540 Speaker 5: most growth. In the pages of this book, you will 816 00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 5: come to understand how God uses pain in powerful ways. 817 00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 5: If you're human, you need this book. Pick up a 818 00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:45,850 Speaker 5: copy of Sacred Scars wherever books are sold and watch 819 00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:48,910 Speaker 5: God turn your pain into purpose. 820 00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:53,650 Speaker 4: Thank you for joining Dr. 821 00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:57,610 Speaker 5: Bankston for your hope-filled perspective. We hope you were encouraged 822 00:44:57,710 --> 00:45:02,470 Speaker 5: by her authenticity, vulnerability, and biblical truths. 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