1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Life audio, Father's Day can be a complicated day, one 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: that quietly reopens wounds that many people were hard to 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: keep closed. While social media fills with tributes to loving dads, 4 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: laughter around backyard grills, and heartfelt cards, there are countless 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: individuals listening today who feel something very different. Grief over 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: a father who has died, sadness for a relationship that 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: never was, pain from abandonment, or abuse, longing for a 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: father they never knew. If Father's Day brings mixed emotions, confusion, 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: or even dread, I want you to know you're not 10 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: alone and there is nothing wrong with you Today. On 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: your hope filled perspective, we are going to gently explore 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: why Father's Day can be emotionally charged, how our experiences 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: with our earthly fathers shape our emotional and spiritual lives, 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: and most importantly, how healing is possible. We will talk 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: about how God meets us in the complexity, how he 16 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: reveals himself as the perfect father when human fathers fall short, 17 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: and let's face it, they all do, and how your 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: story does not end with all the wounds you've endured. 19 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to your hope filled perspective, where it's always 20 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: our goal to restore hope, renew minds, and empower you 21 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: to live in your God given identity. We will equip 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: you with the encouragement and biblical truth you need to 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: walk in hope. I'm your host, doctor Michelle Banks and 24 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: board CERTIVIDE clinical neuropsychologists, author, speaker, and companion on the 25 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: journey to mental, emotional, and spiritual wellness. I am so 26 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: grateful you're joining me today for this episode. Today we 27 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: are going to talk about when Father's Day is complicated, 28 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: how to heal from wounds and discover God as the 29 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: perfect father. We'll dive into that right after this brief 30 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors. For many people, Father's Day isn't 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: just a holiday, It's a trigger. It can activate memories 32 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: of loss, rejection, neglect, or unmeant longing, stirring emotions that 33 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: feel confusing or overwhelming. As a neuropsychologist and a Christian, 34 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: I see firsthand how early relationships, especially with our fathers, 35 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: shape our brain, our sense of safety, our self worth, 36 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: and even how we relate to God. When a father 37 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: wounds us, the impact often reaches far beyond childhood and 38 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: into adulthood, faith, and mental health. In today's episode of 39 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: your hope field perspective. We will address the realities of 40 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: complicated Father's Day emotions. We will explore how father wounds 41 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: affect the birth and heart, why these wounds can distort 42 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: our view of God, and how Scripture reveals a father 43 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: who is consistent, present, protective, and loving. If you've ever 44 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: struggled to trust God because of your experience with your 45 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: earthly father, this conversation is for you. As we begin 46 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: our discussion, I want to remind you of Matthew seven, 47 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: verses nine through eleven, which says, which of you, if 48 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: his son asks for bread, will give him a stone, 49 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: or if he asks for a fish, will give him 50 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: a snake. So if you, who are evil, know how 51 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: to give good gifts to your children, how much more 52 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: will your father in heaven give good gifts to those 53 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: who ask him. Friends. Let's begin our discussion today naming 54 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: the complexity of Father's Day because Father's Day often assumes 55 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: a shared experience, that everyone has warm feet about their father, 56 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: but that simply isn't true. For many, Father's Day brings 57 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: grief over a father who has passed, estrangement or silence, 58 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: childhood neglect, or emotional abuse, physical emotional or spiritual abuse. 59 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes it brings with it that longing for affirmation that 60 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: never came, or pain from infertility or a loss of 61 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: a child, or the ache of being a father who 62 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: feels inadequate. Scripture reminds us that God is not intimidated 63 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: by our complicated emotions. He invites honesty, not performance. From 64 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: a brain science perspective, emotionally charged days activate memory networks 65 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: in the limpic system. Basically, that means your body may 66 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: react before your mind catches up. You may feel tearful, anxious, irritable, 67 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: or even numb without fully understanding why. And that doesn't 68 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: mean you're weak. It means you're human. If Father's Day 69 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: feels heavy, let's start by giving yourself permission to feel 70 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: what you feel without guilt, shame, or comparison. Let's turn 71 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: our attention to understanding father wounds and their impact our 72 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: earliest relationships, share our internal working model of the world. 73 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: Am I safe? Am I seen? Am I valued? Can 74 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: I trust authority? Figures? Will love stay? But when a 75 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: father is inconsistent, critical, absent, or abusive, the brain adapts 76 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: for survival. Those adaptations may include you being hypervisilant, maybe 77 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: people pleasing, often emotional numbing. It couldn't include fear of abandonment, 78 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: difficulty trusting God or other authority figures, and it might 79 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: include perfectionism or chronic shame. Many people don't realize that 80 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: their struggle to experience God as loving isn't a spiritual failure. 81 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: It's often a relational wound. If your father was absent, 82 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: you may feel that God seems distant. If your father 83 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: was harsh, you may experience God as condemning. If your 84 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: father was unpredictable, God may feel unsafe, And if your 85 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: father was impossible to please, God may feel demanding. Recognizing 86 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: this connection isn't about blaming. It's about understanding. I want 87 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: to turn our attention to separating God from the image 88 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: of your earthly father, and we'll discuss that right after 89 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: this shortbreak for a brief word from our sponsor. When 90 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: we return, we'll continue our conversation about how to heal 91 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: from fatherwinds and discover God as the perfect Father. We'll 92 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: be right back. Welcome back. Let's turn our attention to 93 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: how do we separate God from the image of your 94 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: earthly father. One of the most important healing steps is 95 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: learning to separate who God is from who your father was. 96 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: God does not thankfully inherit the flaws of human fathers. 97 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: So where earthly fathers fail because they're human, sinful creatures 98 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: in need of a savior, God remains constant. God remains faithful, 99 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: God remains compassionate, God remains attentive, and God remains gentle 100 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: and strong. Scripture repeatedly emphasizes God's fatherhood not as authoritarian, 101 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: but as nurturing and protective, and personal healing begins when 102 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: we allow God to redefined fatherhood for us. That might 103 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: mean on your pathway to healing, you may need to 104 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: grieve what you didn't receive, what you deserved but never got, 105 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: or you might need to grieve the father you hoped for, 106 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: and then grief makes room for new attachment. Sometimes, when 107 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: we've had a difficult relationship with our earthly father, it 108 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: can be difficult to see God as the perfect father 109 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: because we don't see him, because we don't always hear 110 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: him or feel his presence. But God does not merely 111 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: fill the gap. He heals the wound. A perfect father, God, 112 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: as our heavenly father, sees you fully and loves you completely. 113 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: He disciplines with love, not anger, and he protects without controlling, 114 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: a perfect father, corrects without shaming, and stays when others leave. 115 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: From a neuroscience standpoint, healing relationships can actually reshape neural pathways. 116 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: As you begin to experience God is safe, present, and loving, 117 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: your brain learns new patterns of trust. But friends, just 118 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: a word of caution. This is an instant, it's relational, 119 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: it's experiential. You don't have to force yourself to call 120 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: God father if that feels particularly hard for you. God 121 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: is patient, and healing unfolds through honesty, not pressure. So 122 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: let's talk about some practical steps towards healing on Father's Day. 123 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: Here are a few gentle steps you might consider. Number one, 124 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: acknowledge your emotions without judgment. Number two, name the losses 125 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: you've experienced. Number three, and especially important, invite God into 126 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: the places of pain. Number four. A big one is 127 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:40,359 Speaker 1: to release comparison. All holidays tend to increase our tendency 128 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: to compare our lack to what others seem to have. 129 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: Let's release the comparison so that we can move forward 130 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: in healing from father wounds. And number five, create new 131 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: meaning for the day. Maybe indulge in service to other 132 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: people or consider a period of rest and refer and 133 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: I would encourage connection with safe people. You would be 134 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: surprised the number of others who can relate to your experience. 135 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Healing doesn't erase the past, but it loosens its grip. 136 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: As we come to the end of this episode, I 137 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: want to leave you with this hope filled perspective. If 138 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Father's Day feels complicated for you, please hear this. You 139 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: are not broken, you are not behind, and most importantly, 140 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: you are not fatherless. You are seen by a father 141 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: who delights in you, not because of what you do, 142 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: but because of who you are, because of whose you are. 143 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: Let Palm twenty seven to ten be an encouragement to you. 144 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: Though my father and mother forsake me, the Lord will 145 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: receive me. 146 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: So. 147 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: Friend, if you didn't receive what you needed, maybe You're 148 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: heavenly father wasn't present, or he treated you in a 149 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: way that was rejecting and abandoning. Remember what this verse 150 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: is the Lord receives you. And another verse to take 151 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: home and meditate on, is that God reminds us in 152 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Psalms sixty eight, verse five that he is a father 153 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: to the fatherless and a defender of widows. Is God 154 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: in his holy dwelling friends. I hope that today was 155 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: an encouraging episode. No matter where you stand on Father's Day, 156 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: I thank you for spending this time with me on 157 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: your hope filled perspective. If today's episode has touched your heart, 158 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: please consider sharing it with a friend who needs a 159 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: biblically based hope field perspective. May I pray with you, Father, 160 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: I thank you for all who are within the sound 161 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: of my voice. Lord. Holidays like Mother's Day and Father's Day, well, 162 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: all holidays actually often and stir up painful memories, wounds 163 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: from the past, areas in need of healing. Father, I 164 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: lived each one up to you. You know the areas 165 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: that they struggle most, maybe areas that are so painful 166 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: they've never shared about them with anyone else. Lord, Would 167 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: you woo them into a conversation with you, because we 168 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: know that you can heal all wounds. Lord, Would you 169 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: give them a fresh perspective of you as the perfect 170 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: loving father, And would you remind them that you are 171 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: big enough to handle their honest emotions. Mother, Cradle them 172 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: in your tender, loving care, speak words of love into 173 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: their heart, and quiet those areas that hurt Father, thank 174 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: you for the healing that you long to bring for 175 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: each one of us in whatever areas we carry them. 176 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: And thank you Lord for being a good and perfect father. 177 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: And Jesus name. I pray Amen, friends, I look forward 178 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: to being with you again next week. You know that 179 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: it's my prayer for you that until then that you 180 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: would have a hope filled week. 181 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: Do you know that depression is now our greatest epidemic worldwide? 182 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: It is greater than heart disease, cancer, and aids all 183 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: put together. That is daunting. Have you ever looked for resources? 184 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: You will find that there is a scarcity of biblically 185 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: based resources that identify the spiritual component that will help 186 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: individuals cope with depression, or resources for their loved ones 187 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: who are trying to support them. Throughout doctor Benkson's thirty 188 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: year career, she has treated thousands of individuals with depression 189 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: and has suffered from it herself. Out of her suffering, 190 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: she has come to understand the great need to address 191 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: the spiritual dimension of depression along with the physiological and 192 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: emotional components. In her award winning book, Pope Prevails, Insights 193 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: from a Doctor's personal journey through Depression, she describes her experiences. 194 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: She combines her decades of professional expertise in mental health 195 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: along with her personal insights to help you or reader 196 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: overcome depression's grip. 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