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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things

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Speaker 1: at hugh for Hillsdale dot com or just Google, Apple,

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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. Literally two minutes ago, President Trump announced

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Speaker 1: in the Oval Office prior to signing the Whole Milk

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Speaker 1: for Healthy Kids Act, the first statute of the year,

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Speaker 1: he said that the killing had stopped in Iran, and

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Speaker 1: that the executions that had been scheduled had been put

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Speaker 1: off had been stopped, and that he would alert people

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Speaker 1: if that changed. This runs contra to everything he said

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Speaker 1: over the last week, including last night when he arrived

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Speaker 1: at Andrews, and according to The Wall Street Journal, Iran

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Speaker 1: signaled today was preparing to conduct swift trials and the

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Speaker 1: execution of anti government protesters defying President Trump as it intensifies,

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Speaker 1: It's cracked down on nationwide demonstrations. Now, either or both

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Speaker 1: President Trump and the Iranian government spokespeople may be blowing

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Speaker 1: smoke in our eyes. Either or both of them might

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Speaker 1: be saying a and when it's not A or B.

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Speaker 1: When it's not B or not B. When it is

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Speaker 1: B or not A, what it is A. That's part

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Speaker 1: of the great game, the wilderness of mirrors. That's where

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Speaker 1: we are right now. And the key is to keep

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Speaker 1: the demonstrations going and stop the killing of the demonstrators

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Speaker 1: or provide them with the ability to strike back. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's what the President just said. The killings have stopped.

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Speaker 1: And it's nighttime now and Iran, they're always about about midnight,

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Speaker 1: and very little information has come out. I follow everything

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Speaker 1: I can. I try and talk to everyone I can,

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Speaker 1: so really don't have any updates for you that you

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Speaker 1: don't already know from this morning. But I did want

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Speaker 1: to play for you a couple of things the President

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Speaker 1: had to say last night when he landed Andrews back

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Speaker 1: from Detroit. Cut number one.

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Speaker 2: To all Iranian patriots, keep protesting, take over your institutions

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Speaker 2: if possible, and save the name of the killers and

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Speaker 2: the abusers that are abusing you. You're being very badly abused.

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Speaker 2: If the numbers are right now, I hear five different

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Speaker 2: sets of numbers. I hear numbers. Look, one death is

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Speaker 2: too much, but I hear much lower numbers, and then

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Speaker 2: I hear much higher numbers, but I say save their

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Speaker 2: names because they'll pay a very big price. Then I've

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Speaker 2: canceled all meetings with the Iranian officials until the senseless killing.

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Speaker 3: Of protesters stops.

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Speaker 1: And all I say to.

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Speaker 3: Them is help is on its way.

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Speaker 2: You saw that I put tariffs on anybody doing business

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Speaker 2: with Iran, just went into effect today, and I say,

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Speaker 2: make a Ran great again. You know, it was a

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Speaker 2: great country until these monsters came in and took it.

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Speaker 1: That was yesterday. Cut number two, also from yesterday.

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Speaker 4: You are the.

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Speaker 3: Message for the leaders currently off the rand.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the messages. They've got to show humanity. They've got

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Speaker 5: a big problem, and I hope they're not going to

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Speaker 1: Okay. Cut number three.

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Speaker 5: We had great numbers introduced today. We had a wonderful

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Speaker 5: It's going very well. I think people appreciated what I

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Speaker 3: I'm going back to the White House.

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Speaker 5: Now we're going to look at the whole situation that's

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Speaker 5: going on in Iran. It's really bad stuff. Now Minnesota's

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Speaker 5: We have tremendous theft and fraud going on into that

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Speaker 5: Iran is on my mind. When I see the kind

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Speaker 5: we're going to get some accurate numbers. I'll have it

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Speaker 1: And then the next cut. Americans woke up this morning

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Speaker 1: and they saw that you said help is on the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of help in the way and

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Speaker 5: What's actually happening, nobody's been able to give us accurate

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Speaker 1: And that's the interview with Tony Dakopil from last night

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Speaker 1: His take on the numbers killed to date by the

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Speaker 6: Disabled the night before the last to have a FaceTime

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Speaker 7: We're trying to get our head around that what is

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Speaker 7: You've been on record before opposing US military intervention in Iran,

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Speaker 7: or you're viused different today.

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Speaker 1: When you don't have obedience. I guess our tape is

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Speaker 1: watching it live and it was struck. He doesn't normally

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Speaker 8: We have been notified and pretty strongly. But we'll find

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Speaker 8: So I've been told that a good authority. We'll find

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Speaker 8: just gotten to me from information that the killing has stopped,

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Speaker 9: Today was going to be in the day of execution.

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Speaker 1: I heard Tonyakoppele say that to him yesterday. I have

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Speaker 1: not seen that anywhere. What I have seen at the

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Speaker 1: our airbase and cutter. The Israelis are ramped up and

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Speaker 1: what the Times of Israel is reporting. I don't know

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Speaker 10: No matter what happens, they're not getting out of this

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Speaker 10: year with the power that they have now. Intact, they

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Speaker 10: are getting progressively weaker. They don't have the two Gotti

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Speaker 10: Western standards, their economy has collapsed. All of their foreign

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Speaker 10: It doesn't come back to Iran.

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Speaker 1: They don't have they they don't.

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Speaker 10: Have any capacity to bring that that to repatriate that

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Speaker 1: They don't have control over their own why not?

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Speaker 10: Because of the sanctions, they created this shadow banking system.

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Speaker 10: They sell the oil to China and then they and

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Speaker 10: then they have all of these shadow companies, UH, these

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Speaker 1: Which they hide their uh, their hide their money.

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Speaker 10: They transfer some of it to their proxies, they buy UH,

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Speaker 1: But this is not a normal it's on a normal economy,

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Speaker 1: Trying to signal to Iran, He's not going to hit

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Speaker 1: not going to speculate. Right now. We know nothing, nothing new.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned to the Uuit Show welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewittt. For those of you who longtime listeners

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Speaker 1: are show you know I lived in California from nineteen

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Speaker 1: eight nine to twenty sixteen. That's when I moved back

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Speaker 1: to the Beltway. But I come back to California for

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Speaker 1: at Chapman Law School. I'm not teaching this year because

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Speaker 1: I married to California, the fetching Missus Hewett and I've

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Speaker 1: been living. I've watched closely the decline of California into

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Speaker 1: a chaotic place, but there are still some Republicans. Steve

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Speaker 1: Hilton was on earlier this week, and now I want

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Speaker 1: to induce you to Tim Shaw. Tim is a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine who is running for the fourth district supervisorial

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Speaker 1: seat in Orange County. Now, Orange County used to be

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Speaker 1: Ruby red. Read everywhere. There weren't any Democrats except Richard O'Neill.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't find a Democrat now, Tim Shaw, how many

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Speaker 1: Republicans are left in your fourth supervisorial district.

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Speaker 11: Well, the district does lean a Democrat. There are more Democrats.

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Speaker 11: I do believe it's a winnable district. It's technically nonpartisan,

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Speaker 11: and I've been winning a lot in that area as

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Speaker 11: a trustee on the Orange County Board of Education.

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Speaker 9: So, Tim, what do you think it's winnable for it?

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Speaker 1: Described to the national audience where the fourth district of

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Speaker 1: Orange County, California is. They only know Orange County from

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Speaker 9: Sure?

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Speaker 12: So?

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Speaker 11: Orange County lies between Los Angeles and San Diego counties,

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Speaker 11: you know, Hugh, And the fourth district is the northern

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Speaker 1: So my question, why does anyone want to be on

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Speaker 1: The billionaire a tax of driving the wealthiest people out

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Speaker 11: Well, the way it's shaping up right now, Hugh, You know,

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Speaker 11: One of those Democrats is the one representing me, and

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Speaker 1: The website for his campaign, by the way, is Tim

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Speaker 1: it's the economy, stupid, But why does Orange County matter

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Speaker 11: Well, the overall budget he is over ten billion dollars

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Speaker 11: So you know, as California goes, still goes the country.

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Speaker 1: So your local government, do you think Orange he has

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Speaker 9: I'm afraid every level of government he has fraud.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure there was fraud ad virtually every level.

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Speaker 1: So in the campaign, is it shaping up how many

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Speaker 9: Inded a majority.

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Speaker 11: So there's myself and three other candidates so far, it'll

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Speaker 11: If any candidate were to get over fifty percent here

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Speaker 1: Now, Tim Shaw, I think you'll at least be in

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Speaker 11: I don't have any scientific polling done. I would suspect,

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Speaker 11: frankly no. Right now the three candidates that are besides

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Speaker 9: You know, there's seven cities in the district.

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Speaker 11: I've been on the ballot in all seven of those

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Speaker 11: My guess is, right now, if you did a poll,

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Speaker 1: Now, the secret sauce of California elections, which a lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't know, don't live in the Golden State,

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Speaker 1: is your ballot designation. And people play around with it

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Speaker 9: Orange County Board of Education Trustee.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 11: So that's very like that because in a race for

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Speaker 9: And I'll be the only one with that, I believe.

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Speaker 1: So, Jim, last question, what is the demographic breakdown of

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Speaker 1: I simply unaware. I know we have a big Vietnamese

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Speaker 11: We have about twenty percent that are Asian. There's a

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Speaker 9: I did a Spanish speaking mission from.

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Speaker 11: My church, so I do fully intent on trying to

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Speaker 1: What's a cost to run for a supervisor in California, Tim,

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Speaker 9: Going to be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 11: You know, that's always an interesting question because you don't

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Speaker 1: Tim Shaw, Good to talk to you again. Tim's an

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Speaker 1: old friend of mine. I wish him well. He's done

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Speaker 1: a great job on the Orange County Board of Education,

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Speaker 1: why I keep my eye on it. And when I

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Speaker 1: It's not all dark in California. Thank you. My friend

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Speaker 1: Tim for OC, I said that wrong. It's Shaw for

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Speaker 1: OC Shaw, the number four OC dot com, Shaw for

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Speaker 1: OC dot Com. I'm Hewett in the Relief Factor of

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Speaker 1: Studio out West a few weeks. I'm joined by Mike Rogers,

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Speaker 1: Republican candidate for Senate in Michigan. Mike, good to see

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Speaker 1: you again. How are things in Michigan?

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Speaker 13: You know we are doing great here, Hugh, thanks for asking.

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Speaker 13: This is what you're second home, right I hope I

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Speaker 13: got away. Yeah, I ran away ten years ago. Well,

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Speaker 13: guess what, I'm going to be elected senator, so you

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Speaker 13: we're going great. So you know what, We're having reshoring

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Speaker 13: That's pretty exciting for us. We have three million families

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Speaker 13: Three million families. It's going to be unbelievable. Hundreds of

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Speaker 13: and we're putting pressure on prices so that you know,

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Speaker 13: that's a good thing. You know, We're I expect a

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Speaker 1: All right, that was out of understanding, Mike. I am

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Speaker 1: given a talk tonight to a group of Republicans of

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Speaker 1: they support campaigns. And my message is we're playing defense

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Speaker 1: in Maine and in North Carolina and Ohio, but we're

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Speaker 1: a seat. What is the early fundraising for Rogers from

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we love that Rogers for Senate dot Com and

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Speaker 13: listen to the Democrats will pour endless amounts of money

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Speaker 13: I will tell you this, at the aggregate polling view,

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Speaker 13: So that's huge for Michigan to be up this early,

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Speaker 13: this is the place to invest. We put our ground

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Speaker 13: I'm talking about the Democrats and there's no other Republican

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Speaker 1: So, Mike Rodger on the issues priority list, you talked

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Speaker 1: about affordability issues right off of the top, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that's what's going to drive November. How much does

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Speaker 13: So it's not huge, It's not on the top of

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Speaker 13: We're a work in state. People like to call us

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Speaker 13: to affordability and job opportunity for them and their family.

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Speaker 13: So that's the one that people are going to walk

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Speaker 13: got some really unique ideas about how we can get

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Speaker 13: people interested in home ownership, at improving the education system

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Speaker 13: and more jobs here. So we're pretty fired up about

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Speaker 13: it because we're offering real solutions and people are reacting.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of the issue set again, that's affordability.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense to me. We'll probably talk about that

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Speaker 1: a lot between now and November. Where would you prefer

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Speaker 1: the issue to be framed as immigration control and border

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Speaker 1: security or as ICE pulling people out of cars? There's

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Speaker 1: a narrative struggle underway right now. Are we talking about

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Speaker 1: immigration controller, are we talking about ice using too much force?

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Speaker 1: How do you see it? Your former law enforcement yourself.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and we just went down to the border and

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Speaker 13: have a hard conversation. It is about secure borders. If

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Speaker 13: we cannot secure our southern border, I as an FBI

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Speaker 13: agent who is a street agent in Chicago working organized

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Speaker 13: crime and chase drug dealers and fugitives. If we can't

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Speaker 13: control that border, guess where that ends up. It ends

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Speaker 13: up in your community, in a state near you. All

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Speaker 13: people coming over the border. So we talk about it

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Speaker 13: in terms of secure borders and safer streets. And you

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Speaker 13: can see the correlation. Hugh of drugs availability is coming down.

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Speaker 13: We're seeing murder rates come down, and this is not

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Speaker 13: by accident. You secure that border and you go after criminals, rapists, murderers,

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Speaker 9: Dealers who are here illegally.

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Speaker 13: That has an impact on crime in all of our communities.

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Speaker 13: And so that's the way we talk about it, and

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Speaker 13: that's why it's so important to make sure you don't

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Speaker 9: You saw how easy.

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Speaker 13: It was for the Democrats when they got in charge,

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Speaker 13: they just flipped the switch and said y'all come in now.

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Speaker 13: And guess what. That didn't work for America. It was

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Speaker 13: dangerous for America. We paid a heavy price for it.

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Speaker 13: And now what you see ICE is doing is they

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Speaker 13: need to go after these criminals who are causing problems

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Speaker 1: So how does it play on the trail Because I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk to a comfortably smugg of the Ruthless

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Speaker 1: podcast after this. I'm sure you know Ruthless and they

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Speaker 1: talk about all the time it's being framed badly by

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Speaker 1: some Republicans, being framed well by other Republican. Democrats want

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Speaker 1: to make sanctuary cities into the villain. How are you

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Speaker 1: approaching It's a complicated bit of political speech to communicate

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Speaker 1: on this issue. Ye.

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Speaker 13: So here's what I do to you. I talked about

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Speaker 13: the secure border, and as a guy who saw the

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Speaker 13: impact of crime, including illegal immigrants who are in our

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Speaker 13: country committing crime when I was an FBI agent, I

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Speaker 13: talk about those stories. They're real, that impact is real,

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Speaker 13: once we continue to get this border secure, one of

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Speaker 13: the few times we have as a president who will

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Speaker 13: have credibility on securing the border, having a conversation about

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Speaker 13: a working, functioning worker visa program, and it can't really,

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Speaker 13: you can't have that without securing the border. You cannot.

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Speaker 13: And so the just really nothing short of miraculous results

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Speaker 13: the way, their morale is off the chart good because

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Speaker 13: there are allows to do the job they are hired

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Speaker 13: to do. Then now we can start having a conversation

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Speaker 13: about what a worker visa program looks like. So all

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Speaker 13: element and they also pick up some other folks that

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Speaker 13: are here illegally but haven't committed crimes, Well, guess what

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Speaker 13: a lot of that can go away. Well, as long

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Speaker 13: as we have a true, functioning worker visa program and

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Speaker 13: Our business community, our economy is going to benefit. We're

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Speaker 13: not asking business people to lie, lie and cheat about

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Speaker 13: who they hire in by the way, we secure the border.

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Speaker 13: And it's something that works for America, and economy works

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Speaker 13: for Americans, works for really everybody.

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Speaker 1: So, Mike, last week, President Trump was a guest and

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Speaker 1: I put to him, he wants insurance reform. He wants

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Speaker 1: to give direct cash payments to people buy their insurance.

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Speaker 1: I suggested that would be easier done if it was

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Speaker 1: paired up with really bipartisan issue like the Dreamers, like

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Speaker 1: the AM Radio in Every Car Act, like a few

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Speaker 1: that have got super majority, stuff like that. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: thinking in that term. How important is the health insurance

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Speaker 1: and does it in fact have to stand alone in

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Speaker 13: Well, listen, I don't ever think it needs to stand alone.

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Speaker 13: If you can accomplish a few good things all at

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Speaker 13: the same time, I would take that deal all day long.

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Speaker 13: And what we just have to be careful of. Listen, again,

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Speaker 13: we're a work in state.

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Speaker 12: HU.

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Speaker 13: The government has told these folks wrongly. I think that

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Speaker 13: we're going to subsidize a very broken healthcare system because

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Speaker 13: we don't want to have.

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Speaker 9: To fix it.

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Speaker 13: And so now they're stuck. Right, the Democrats created this system.

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Speaker 13: They've doubled the rate of denials well by insurance companies,

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Speaker 13: they have nearly doubled the amount of instances. You have

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Speaker 13: to ask the insurance company first, after your doctor says

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Speaker 13: you need something to see if it's covered. They've narrowed

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Speaker 13: what you can do to get a doctor. I mean,

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Speaker 13: all of this is terrible. Own by the way, premiums

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Speaker 13: twice as fast as the rate and inflation. That's Obamacare.

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Speaker 13: And so what you don't want to do is punish

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Speaker 13: people who are struggling every month to make their bill payments.

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Speaker 13: So my argument is you got to swap this thing out.

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Speaker 13: You can't just cut it off and then hope for

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Speaker 13: fixing the future. You've got to make sure that those

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Speaker 13: people don't get punched in the face with really bad

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Speaker 13: Democrat policies that cost them their house or car or whatever.

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Speaker 13: And so I think you can get there. I would

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Speaker 13: package the deal better, and I would also make sure

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Speaker 13: that these folks aren't just absolutely slapped in the face

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Speaker 13: for something they didn't do. Roger followed the rule.

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Speaker 1: dot Com Tex again, Sin, Mike Rodgers, don't go anywhere America.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right now. Welcome back in America. I'm Duke Ewett.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Darling is the leader of the Land Center at

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Speaker 1: the Southwest Baptist Theological Sentimentary. The Land Center is involved

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Speaker 1: with cultural engagement. Daniel is also a prolific author. He's

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Speaker 1: been a pastor before. His most recent book, In Defense

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Speaker 1: of Christian Patriotism, came out late last year. I had

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Speaker 1: read it. My gosh, it's got to be nine months

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Speaker 1: ago now, Daniel. I was very impressed with it. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: how are you and how is the book doing.

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 14: Thank you Hugh for having me on. I really appreciate

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Speaker 14: it and glad to be with you. And the book

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Speaker 14: is doing very well, getting a pretty good reception as

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Speaker 14: we celebrate America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's time for, obviously, is that between now

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Speaker 1: and July fourth, a lot of people are going to

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Speaker 1: be reflecting on the American experiment. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you note up front a lot of people are warning

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Speaker 1: about Christian nationalism. I always kind of view that as silly,

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Speaker 1: but it's not silly if the non believing community hears

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Speaker 1: it and believes it. Is that why you wrote the book?

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Speaker 1: In part? Yeah, I wrote the book.

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Speaker 14: For a few reasons. Number one, I've always been deeply

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Speaker 14: patriotic ever since my parents took a trip from where

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Speaker 14: we lived in Chicago to Washington, d C. In the

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Speaker 14: eighties when I was a kid, to Washington, d C.

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Speaker 14: And I was just awestruck. But number two, there is

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Speaker 14: increasing pressure on particularly conservative Christians to hide their patriotism

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Speaker 14: or not express it because of this really overwrought fear

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Speaker 14: of Christian nationalism, mostly by a media that really for

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Speaker 14: the last several decades is stut to push Christianity out

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Speaker 14: of the public square. There are some folks, as small

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Speaker 14: pocket of folks who don't like the constitutional order and

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Speaker 14: like to have a sort of a you know, a

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Speaker 14: state church, but that's a very small number of folks.

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Speaker 14: Most Christians love the constitutional order, but they don't want

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Speaker 14: to check their faith at the door. They want to

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Speaker 14: be involved in the political process. And I think that's

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Speaker 14: part of the American heritage and tradition that Christians haven't

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Speaker 14: been engaged since the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: Now your book, and again the title for the audience

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Speaker 1: is in Defense of Christian Patriotism by Daniel Darling. In

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Speaker 1: Defensive Christian Patriotism, the Old lunch Law. You had to

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Speaker 1: say the title seven times, if anyone's going to remember.

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Speaker 1: In defensive Christian Patriotism came at the end of the

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Speaker 1: series of books about Christian nationalism, the most prominent of

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Speaker 1: which were I Believe by John Ward and One Knows

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Speaker 1: by Tim Alberta, and they you can cherry pick America.

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Speaker 1: You can go find some goofy congregations that are way

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Speaker 1: out there preaching a theology that is alien to Protestants

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Speaker 1: and Catholics alike. You can you can find those people,

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Speaker 1: and they're not hard to find. What's hard to calculate

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Speaker 1: is what percentage of the American religious does it represent?

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Speaker 1: What do you think in your head, what percent of

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Speaker 1: American Christianity is quote Christian nationalists in the way that

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Speaker 1: you and I understand it, which is a rejection of

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Speaker 1: the constitutional order.

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Speaker 14: Well, that's exactly right, Hugh, that most American Christians, Evangelicals

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Speaker 14: I'm Southern Baptists, were the largest prosence denomination. Most American

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Speaker 14: Evangelical Christians want to be involved.

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Speaker 3: In public policy.

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Speaker 14: They want to bring their faith to the public square,

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Speaker 14: which I think is important for the American experiment, but

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Speaker 14: very few want what you know, a Christian state or

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Speaker 14: a theocracy. There are some, right, it's a small number

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Speaker 14: of people, But if you look at surveys, We did

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Speaker 14: a survey here a couple of years ago and found

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Speaker 14: that most Southern Baptists a high percentage, want religious liberty

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Speaker 14: for everybody, but they do want Christianity in the public square.

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Speaker 14: And really, if you look back to the Founding, you

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Speaker 14: the founders understood they didn't want to stay church. They

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Speaker 14: saw how that went poorly for the state and the church.

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Speaker 14: But they understood that this experiment would not endure without

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Speaker 14: a thick religion virtue, and they'd argue Christianity in America.

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Speaker 14: John Adams famously said, this experiment will only work for

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Speaker 14: a moral and religious people. Even Thomas Jefferson, who may

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Speaker 14: be the most secular of the founders, understood the importance

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Speaker 14: of a virtue and religion. And so I think a

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Speaker 14: lot of the hand ringing on from the media on

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Speaker 14: the left is really misguided, and I think it seeks

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Speaker 14: to push Christians away from being involved in the country

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Speaker 14: that they love.

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Speaker 1: I also think it is a convenient trojan horse for

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Speaker 1: getting in an attack on Trump and President Trump to

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Speaker 1: buy the room A lot of pastors will talk about

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Speaker 1: the president. I've never been in favor of politics from

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Speaker 1: the pulpit, especially explicit presidential politics, but nevertheless a few

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Speaker 1: will do so. If you grab onto that, or if

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Speaker 1: you grab onto a congregation that is particularly I'll use

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Speaker 1: the term maga, even though it's like Christian nationalism, it's

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Speaker 1: an accordion term. It can expand or contractors you want.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be able to find a few pastors

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Speaker 1: like that. But I don't think it's a trend. I

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Speaker 1: really don't, do.

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Speaker 14: You it's not, it's really not, Hugh. You're exactly right.

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Speaker 14: I've been a lot of churches all across the country,

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Speaker 14: Southern Baptists, Evangelical churches, and very few churches talk.

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Speaker 3: About politics in the pulpit.

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Speaker 14: Now, they may inform the congregation, particularly on the sanctity

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Speaker 14: get a political message if you walk into an average

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Speaker 14: of agelical church. In fact, you're more likely to get

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Speaker 14: a political message if you go to a progressive church. Hugh,

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Speaker 14: I mean, we have, you know, people like Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 14: I mean, Schumer on Easter Sunday once compared the appointment

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Speaker 14: of Justice Jackson to the resurrection of Christ. And yet

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Speaker 14: there's no moral hand ringing from the media when that happens.

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Speaker 14: But whenever there's any kind of incidental contact between Christians

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Speaker 14: and politics on the right, it's, you know, a theocracy.

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Speaker 14: I mean, consider this. When George Bush said that his

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Speaker 14: favorite philosopher was Jesus Christ in the primary in two thousand,

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Speaker 14: the media went crazy and said, he's going to establish

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Speaker 14: a theocracy.

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Speaker 1: This is terrible.

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Speaker 14: When Mike Johnson talked about it was God's providence that

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Speaker 14: put him in the Speaker's chair, something that American politicians

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Speaker 14: have been saying forever, the media went crazy, Oh, he's

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Speaker 14: going to usher in Christian nationalism. And I just think

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Speaker 14: there's an ignorance of American history of the way that

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Speaker 1: In defense of Christian patriots, and also points out that

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Speaker 1: we are not We can't be kept should by a

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Speaker 1: single polaroid snapshot at any moment. I do believe there's

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Speaker 1: a consensus that a clarity rule rule by clerics, like

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Speaker 1: we have any Iran and like we're watching even right

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Speaker 1: now brutally suppressing non adherence of their faith has never

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Speaker 1: existed and can never exist provided that the Constitution has applied.

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Speaker 1: That's what the custum isn't very strong. I've been teaching

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Speaker 1: them for thirty years. The establishment clause, it's originally understood,

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Speaker 1: and the exercise clause coexist very very easily with each other,

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Speaker 1: and it simply means we're not going to run things

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Speaker 1: according to doctrine. We're going to run things according to politics.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 14: There's you know, the Founders they didn't want a state church.

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Speaker 14: They saw how that worked throughout history. They didn't want theocracy,

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Speaker 14: but they I don't think they could envision the secularism

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Speaker 14: we see now, Hugh, where Christianity has been pushed out

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Speaker 14: of the public score, particularly the last several decades, middle

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Speaker 14: of the twentieth century onward. Thankfully, you know, in the

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Speaker 14: barriers to where Christians can participate like everyone else in

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Speaker 14: the public square. And so I think people think there's

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Speaker 14: a false choice. Either they either have to have a

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Speaker 14: theocracy or Christians totally disengaged, and we don't want that.

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Speaker 14: You know, as a Baptist, I don't want the government telling.

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Speaker 1: The church what to do.

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Speaker 14: I don't want the government, you know, deciding between right

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Speaker 14: and wrong belief. As a limited government guy, I think

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Speaker 14: the government can barely run a post office, much less

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Speaker 14: make theological decisions right. And so I think what the

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Speaker 14: founders and vision and where we've settled is really to

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Speaker 14: me one of the great ways to do human government.

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Speaker 14: I think the greatest experiment in human government that the

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Speaker 1: We need one more case from the Court on how

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Speaker 1: robust the free exercise clause is, and we will be

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Speaker 1: back to where the Framers intended to correct balance. Daniel Darling,

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Speaker 1: congratulations on the new book In Defense of Christian Patriotism.

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Speaker 1: Daniel's at the Land Center for Cultural Engagement at Southwest

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Speaker 1: Baptist Theological Seminary in Houston, and my gosh, he's prolific.

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Speaker 1: You might want to start following him on exit Daniel

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Speaker 1: Darling and follow me in the next segment of Today

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Speaker 1: Ishue Hewitt Show, Warner Back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I

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Speaker 1: hope you are a listener to the Ruthless podcast, which

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Speaker 1: is out every Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. On

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Speaker 1: Friday is the best one of the fellows the four

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Speaker 1: horsemen of the Podocolypse is comfortably Smug, who joins me

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Speaker 1: from Ruthless World headquarters right now. Smug, I have not

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Speaker 1: spent much time on the Minnesota Ice stuff. I've been

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Speaker 1: watching you on so I don't know if the fellows

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Speaker 1: have been talking about it, but I know you are

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Speaker 1: incarceration inclined and you almost always want to lock them up.

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Speaker 1: So do you think ICE is doing enough of lock

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Speaker 1: them up in order to deter the idiocy that's going on.

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Speaker 12: I think ICE has been doing a heroic job of

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Speaker 12: trying to do the job that they've been given. They

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Speaker 12: have been charged by the law that we have on

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Speaker 12: the books with arresting people inside the United States who

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Speaker 12: are here illegally. It seems very straightforward. Unfortunately, there are

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Speaker 12: many states which have turned into quote sanctuaries for criminals

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Speaker 12: illegal aliens, and those states who are trying to fight

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Speaker 12: the laws on the books they're trying to fight the

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Speaker 12: federal government are creating a need for ICE to have

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Speaker 12: to go in and conduct these raids in states that

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Speaker 12: are normal where they do.

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Speaker 15: Follow the laws.

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Speaker 12: You don't see these kind of images of mayhem and

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Speaker 12: protesters and all of this nonsense because law enforcement and

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Speaker 12: the local authorities work with the federal ice officials and

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Speaker 12: they just hand over the legals. You never even see

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Speaker 12: it on the news because it's very simple. So if

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Speaker 12: they're caught by police, they're put in jail. Ice comes

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Speaker 12: and picks them up. That's the way the system is

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Speaker 12: supposed to work.

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Speaker 1: So President Trump yesterday announced he's cutting off all federal

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Speaker 1: funding to so called sanctuary states and sanctuary cities. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how he does it, but I hope he

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Speaker 1: can do it. Are you in favor of that one?

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Speaker 12: I think also that folks should realize that this is

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Speaker 12: the moderate option. When you had Governor Wallas in Minnesota

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Speaker 12: say that he's going to activate the National Guard and

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Speaker 12: he feels that he's at war with the federal government

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Speaker 12: and that he's not going to follow the directives of

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Speaker 12: the federal government. Abraham Lincoln had an approach that he

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Speaker 12: took when he had to deal with the situation like that,

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Speaker 12: And I think Democrats are finding themselves in a similar position,

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Speaker 12: where once again they're trying to support their cheap labor

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Speaker 12: by any means necessary, if that means taking up arms

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Speaker 12: against the government. Trump cutting off the money is the

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Speaker 12: moderate approach and I fully support it.

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Speaker 1: So smug. The thousand dollars question is it's an election

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Speaker 1: here people lock in. You work with political pros. I

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Speaker 1: think they will agree with this. You have to debate

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Speaker 1: it sometime. I think decisions on voting are locked in

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Speaker 1: by the end of June. Do you think the videos

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Speaker 1: of Ice taking legal observers that tell them they invented

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Speaker 1: legal observers in the custody pull them out of their car,

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Speaker 1: do they help or do they hurt? Going into the midterms,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 12: That the problem is this issue of corruption in Minnesota,

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Speaker 12: of Minnesota being a sanctuary state that allows for these

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Speaker 12: criminal legal aliens to commit crimes relentlessly without anyone trying

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Speaker 12: to stop them. That's the discussion that needs to happen.

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Speaker 12: I think the Democrats are trying to muddy the waters

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Speaker 12: and they want everyone talking about, oh look at this

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Speaker 12: angle from the video. It looks like this, you can

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Speaker 12: see this, or they don't want to have the debate

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Speaker 12: at the surface of Why is Minnesota not following the laws?

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Speaker 12: Why is Minnesota not following the will of the voters

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Speaker 12: in twenty twenty four when they wanted to get criminal

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Speaker 12: legal aliens out of the country. So they're trying to

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Speaker 12: mudy the waters and make it about a videotape or

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Speaker 12: images of ice and did ice use too much forced?

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Speaker 13: Ice?

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Speaker 12: Us not enough force?

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Speaker 3: What would you have done?

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Speaker 12: Kunt the officer, just like do a backflip and shoot

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Speaker 3: Out on a car.

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Speaker 12: So they want to muddy the waters. And when the

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Speaker 12: waters are muddy like that, that's when they don't have

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Speaker 12: to stand for their crazy beliefs that voters hate, that

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Speaker 12: voters do not agree with, so they want those images.

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Speaker 12: I think what we need to do is have the

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Speaker 12: This is what the American people voted for.

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Speaker 1: What I want smugging and this is the exit. I

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Speaker 1: want the DHS to post the name and background of

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Speaker 1: everyone they arrest into port so that wee can It

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Speaker 1: might be it's tens of thousands of people, but those

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Speaker 1: order for or who have been escorted out of the country,

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Speaker 1: tell us about them in detail. Because bad news drives

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Speaker 1: out good news, real news drives out bad news. I

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Speaker 1: want more, not less from DHS. What do you want?

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Speaker 16: I completely agree.

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Speaker 12: A couple of days ago, Bill Malujin, a reporter over

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Speaker 12: that they had arrested that day, and it was the

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Speaker 12: most horrific criminal acts that you could conceive of happening.

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Speaker 12: And when they put out I think that lets the

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Speaker 12: These are terrible people. I want them out of my community.

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Speaker 12: I fully support President Trump and ICE in doing this,

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Speaker 12: so I agree putting that information out is how you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, around the clock every day, DHS ought to be

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Speaker 1: producing a list of the people they've apprehended and those

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Speaker 1: reason the smug just said, catch the Ruthless podcasts with

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Speaker 1: the Fellas every Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday, Fun Friday. Not

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Speaker 1: to be messed wherever you get your podcasts the Ruthless

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Speaker 1: podcast Thank you, smug. I'll be right back to America's

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Speaker 1: State tuned morning. Alright, evening, great So America. I'm here

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Speaker 1: you to the Relief Factor Studio West. Please to welcome

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Speaker 1: back first time in the new year. Rich Lowry, editor

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Speaker 1: of National Review, also host of the Editor's podcast, which

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Speaker 1: I listened to this morning from yesterday, which began with

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Speaker 1: a roundtaillaball of Noah Rothman, Jim Garrity and is a

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Speaker 1: cook and Rich talking about Iran. Since then, Rich, the

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Speaker 1: news has been breaking quite fast and furious Donner, nothing

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Speaker 1: has happened, but the president in the Oval said, well,

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Speaker 1: they've said they're going to stop killing, and they' aren't

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Speaker 1: gonna give me the executions. Then Iran throws up a

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Speaker 1: picture on Iran State TV of the assassination of President

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Speaker 1: Trump and says this time will get him. That's on

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Speaker 1: Iran State TV. And then Brett Bair does an interview

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Speaker 1: with the Iranian Foreign Minister. I want to play it.

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Speaker 1: It's going to play it at six o'clock night Eastern time.

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Speaker 1: Here is the only clip Fox is released.

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Speaker 7: There are reports, sir that anywhere from twenty five hundred

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Speaker 7: to more than twelve thousand protesters in various cities have

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Speaker 7: been killed by the regime. How many people have been killed.

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Speaker 12: I have to.

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Speaker 3: Say you, I have to tell you that, Sori.

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Speaker 4: When terrorist elements led from outside, you know, enter this,

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Speaker 4: uh know, protests and started to shoot to shoot you know,

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Speaker 4: police forces, police officers and security forces, and they were terroistals.

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Speaker 15: They came in.

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Speaker 4: They used dies style terrorists, you know operations. They got

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Speaker 4: police officers, burned them alive, they beheaded them, and they

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Speaker 4: started shooting at police officers and also to the people.

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Speaker 4: So as a result, for three days we had in

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Speaker 4: fact fighting against terrorists and not you know, with with

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Speaker 3: It was completely a different story.

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Speaker 4: The reason I have to explain, and this is important

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Speaker 4: why they started to shoot at people for one reason.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to increase the number of deaths. Why because

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Speaker 4: President Trump has said that if there are killings, he

873
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: would interview, and they wanted to drag him into this conflict.

874
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: And that was exactly And it's plucked.

875
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: All right, Rich Lowry, we now know it's the Jews.

876
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: What are you making?

877
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 17: Yeah, I hope Canna Owens doesn't see that clip. I'm

878
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 17: sure she will. Look all these regimes, there are liars

879
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 17: that this is particularly bad line. This is Baghdad, Bob

880
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 17: level of advocacy for what they're doing, and this regime

881
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 17: is on the ropes.

882
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 16: I don't know whether they're going to fall. I don't

883
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 16: know whether Trump's going to act. I kind of think

884
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 16: he is.

885
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 17: But it is in major prayer all the most it's

886
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 17: been in since nineteen seventy nine.

887
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: Oh Rich, I want to play for you. The president

888
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: had oppresser earlier today, couple of the polls from that

889
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: which I played for the audience in the first hour,

890
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: but they may not have heard it. Let's go to

891
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: cut number cut number eleven.

892
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 12: We have.

893
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 8: Been notified and pretty strongly, but we'll find out what

894
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 8: that oill means.

895
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 9: But we've been told that the killing in around.

896
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 8: Is stopping, and it's stopped and stopping, and there's no

897
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 8: plan for executions or an execution or executions. So I've

898
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 8: been told that a good authority, we'll find out about it.

899
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 8: I'm sure if happens, we will all be very upset,

900
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 8: including you, will be very upset. But that's just gotten

901
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 8: to me some information at the killing has stopped, that

902
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 8: the executions have stopped and not going to have an execution,

903
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 8: which a lot of people were talking about for the

904
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 8: last couple of days. Today was going to be the

905
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 8: day of execution.

906
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: So what do you make of the Trump shuffle, rich Lewry.

907
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 17: It's very typical, right, This is where he always is

908
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 17: on this sort of stuff. One day sounds like he's

909
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 17: going to make friends with you and he accepts what

910
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 17: you're doing and everything's better. Other days he threatens you

911
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 17: and he maintains maximum maneuverability. I would think if the

912
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 17: killing has stopped, there's only one reason they would stop, right.

913
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 17: They think they've crushed the potential rebellion. And I don't

914
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 17: know why we'd make executions are hideous when carried out

915
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 17: by a regime like this. I don't know why we'd

916
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 17: make that, in particular the red line.

917
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: I saw the interview with Tony Dekoppel of CBS Evening

918
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: News last night the poll of signed in Detroit, and

919
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: he popped off and I hadn't seen this anywhere, but

920
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: Tony's good news man said there are going to be

921
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: hanging tomorrow, and I've subsequently seen that confirmed. They were

922
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: going to hang a young twenty six year old single

923
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: man who runs the clothing store, and that was announced.

924
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: So the president was visibly shocked by that. He's a

925
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: very visual person. Right, That's why he hid Syria in

926
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: the first term. If they hang people, if any video

927
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: gets out of massacres, this game's over. Do you think.

928
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 16: I don't know why the game's over, but it wouldn't

929
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 16: help their cause.

930
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 17: Now there's have helped their cause to post about assassinating

931
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 17: the president. And I think she also a key thing

932
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 17: about Trump, right, He in many ways is a guy

933
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 17: in the nineteen seventies. You know, Jimmy There was a

934
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 17: great guy. He said that back in twenty fifteen or

935
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Speaker 17: twenty sixteen. Most of us don't know who Jimmy Greek

936
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 17: is anywhere he does, and any American of that era,

937
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 17: that generation, you are just it's in your DNA to

938
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 17: hate and distrust this regime because you felt that humiliation

939
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 17: so starkly throughout nineteen seventy nine, in nineteen eighty, and

940
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 17: that's where Trump's coming from. Barack Obama did not feel

941
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 17: that way, but Trump does. So I tend to think

942
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 17: he's going to hit him.

943
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: But who knows.

944
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you Rich now. Yesterday after the program, I

945
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: listened to a podcast called For Heaven's Sake, which is

946
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: hosted by Danielle Hartman the Hartman Institute in Jerusalem and

947
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: yo see kleinel Avey, who along with Michael Laurn, had

948
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: been writing about the Iranian threat for thirty years, and

949
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: they said, whoa to Barack Obama, Ben Roads and John Kerry,

950
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: because they've bought the whole moderate thing totally in Iran.

951
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: And I think the Foreign Ministry is not a moderate,

952
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: but he's from the fanatic side of the Aisle that

953
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: doesn't want to get killed. So I do believe there

954
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: could be a division within the regime among people who

955
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: want to poke the beast and those who don't want

956
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: to poke the beast.

957
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 16: You know, well, poking the beast though, was in their

958
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 16: DNA right.

959
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 17: They started out poking the beast with that tremendous national

960
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 17: humiliation we suffered when they took over the embassy and

961
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 17: held our people for more than.

962
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 16: Four hundred days.

963
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 17: So this is what they're about, right, It's about radical Islam,

964
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 17: theocratic governance, hating Israel, and hating America. Those are the

965
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 17: core tenets of the regime. So they're not going to

966
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 17: give them up until the very end. And that obviously

967
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 17: was the key thing to watch you is whether there's

968
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 17: any split in the security services. I've been reading about

969
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 17: nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine, the revolution and the problem

970
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 17: the Shah had. It wasn't necessarily that Carter dumped them.

971
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 17: He was incompetent, he was indecisive, and by the end,

972
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 17: even if he wanted to order an all out massacre

973
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 17: to try to hold onto power, it's not clear who

974
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 17: would have carried out the order because all the army

975
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 17: guys were just deserting. They were leaving, so that'd be

976
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 17: the key indicator to look for cracks and the security

977
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 17: services the guys begin to switch sides, and we haven't

978
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 17: seen any of that yet.

979
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: Rich I've told the audience a couple of times over

980
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: the last three or four days. I watched that revolution

981
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: in real time on a couch in San Clementi, California,

982
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: with Ray Price and Richard Nixon. It was on television

983
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: every night, and it went on for six months before

984
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: the Shaw left and the Iranian Army would not back him.

985
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: That's why I left. Now, the Crown Prince has made

986
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: an explicit appeal to the Iranian Army, which is not

987
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: the IRGC, is not the besiege, it's itself that's what

988
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: I would look for. Is that what you would look for?

989
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: Because the people don't have guns in Iran. There's no

990
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: Red Dawn movie coming here.

991
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 17: Yeah, that would be huge if that happens. We haven't

992
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 17: seen any sign of it, but that's what to look for.

993
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 17: And just this would be such a historic reversal, right,

994
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 17: the seventy time humiliation of the United States, sign of

995
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 17: a Hall of Military, the Desert One debacle, sign of

996
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 17: an American retreat around the world, beckless present, overcome by that.

997
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 17: And if this happens, this revolution, a new revolution, it

998
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 17: would beat all that in reverse, right.

999
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 16: Every single of those dynamics in the opposite direction.

1000
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: It would be the biggest thing since the dissolution of

1001
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, which we did not think possible until

1002
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: it happened. Now, Rich, I'm going to ask Mike Durant

1003
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: on Monday. And there are a few people I would

1004
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: trust on this, Kareem Sadjapoor norm rule. There are very

1005
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: few really Iranian especially Carg Island is where their oil

1006
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: comes out of that they send to China. Why wouldn't

1007
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: we hit Carg Island. I mean, it's pretty discreet. You're

1008
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: not going to endanger civilians. It would cripple They're already

1009
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: crippled economy. Why wouldn't we hit that.

1010
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, if you're going to do it, that would

1011
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 17: be a good target. You'd want to hit things that

1012
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 17: make sense on their own right. So even if your

1013
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 17: revolution doesn't happen, you still set back the regime yet more.

1014
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 16: And I think that would be high on a list.

1015
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 17: The downside here view you know, if you take military

1016
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 17: action and the regime suppresses the revolt and the kind

1017
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 17: of credibility is hurt and kind of magnifies the victory

1018
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 17: of the regime holding on, that would be one downside.

1019
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 16: And then also, you just never know when the government falls.

1020
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 17: What's going to take its place, Right, it could be

1021
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 17: Irgc a regime that maybe is more competent and therefore

1022
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 17: more threatening to us. Could be civil war, which I

1023
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 17: don't think woud threatened us necessarily, but would be terrible.

1024
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 15: For Iran and for the region.

1025
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 17: But this regime is so bad, it's so hostile, has

1026
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 17: so much American blood in their hands. This is one

1027
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 17: where we really want to say, all right, let's see

1028
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 17: what's behind door number three.

1029
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Almost no matter what, let me pull a page from

1030
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: the rich Larry Book for exit question on a scale

1031
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: of one to ten, with ken being absolute certainly the

1032
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: Zionists will strike and zero being Israel will stay out

1033
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: of it. If the United States hits Iran, what's the

1034
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: likelihood of Israel being drawn into the conflict?

1035
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 16: Ordinarily I say it's quite high.

1036
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 17: But as you highlighted on X this afternoon, the reports

1037
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 17: that if Israel gets hit by Iran in this context

1038
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 17: is going to go all in and is not going

1039
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 17: to stop for the regimes gone.

1040
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 16: So I think that might stay around's hand. So I'll

1041
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 16: put it about. Put it a cop out.

1042
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 3: Five.

1043
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: All right, five It is Rich Lowry, editor in chief

1044
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: of National Review, fall him on exit. Rich Lowry, listen

1045
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: to the editors. It's always informative, it's always entertaining, available

1046
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: wherever podcasts are come back. We're going local and we're

1047
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: going to our two hundred and fiftieth birthday celebration, should

1048
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: it be on August second, Stay juned Welcome back to America.

1049
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm Jude Hewett. As many of you in the audience,

1050
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: I've been teaching con law for thirty years, and on

1051
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: the first day class I let them know the three

1052
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: dates they need to know about the Constitution, the date

1053
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: it was adopted, which is September seventeenth of seventeen eighty seven,

1054
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: the date it was ratified, which is June twenty first,

1055
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: seventeen eighty eight, when New Hampshire became the ninth state

1056
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: to adopt, and the day it became effective, which was

1057
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: March fourth, seventeen eighty nine. Three dates. Now, David Zavagno

1058
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: is the spokesman for the Lake Erie Foundation, joins me,

1059
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: because Dave, we've got three dates about our declaration of independence.

1060
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: Would you set the record straight and how Ohio is

1061
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: going to make sure the third date had not forgotten?

1062
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 15: So on July second, the Continental Congress adopted the Declaration

1063
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 15: of Independence, and then it was adopted further on July fourth,

1064
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 15: but he was you know, it went off to the

1065
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 15: printer and it wasn't until everyone was gathered on August

1066
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 15: second that the majority of delegates signed on. And I

1067
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 15: think we have fifty six signees for the Declaration of

1068
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 15: Independence and it's our goal to make that date historically

1069
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 15: significant and have the recreation of the signing of the

1070
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 15: declaration in Ohio on August second of twenty twenty six.

1071
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: It's going to be at the Battle of Lake Erie Memorial.

1072
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: You organized the two hundredth anniversary of the Battle of

1073
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: Lake Aria, which was quite the spectation. Are you going

1074
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: to do something on that order again, Daves of Wagno,

1075
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: because that.

1076
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 9: Was we got We got to do it better.

1077
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: We have to do it better.

1078
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 15: We have the Ohio State Ban returning. We've got several

1079
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 15: tall ships coming in. We actually have a number of

1080
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 15: the descendants of the signers oh of the Declaration of Independence.

1081
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 15: We're bringing in the Navy, the local Coastguard as well

1082
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 15: as the Army group. So I think that it'll be

1083
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 15: a spectacular celebration. As you remember, the fireworks were. I

1084
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 15: don't know. We didn't crack the rock, but we tried.

1085
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: What I tell people about the recreation of the Battle

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Speaker 1: of Lake Area that the Lake Erie Foundation put on

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Speaker 1: and Dave Wagno headed, is that not only did they

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Speaker 1: recreate the Battle of Lake Erie, they recreated Dunkirk. Because

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Speaker 1: out of every port and harbor around the Great Lakes

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Speaker 1: from Michigan and Ohio and Canada came small boats. There

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Speaker 1: were like four thousand small boats surrounding these thirteen tall ships.

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Speaker 1: Are you expecting that again.

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Speaker 15: Were expecting close to fifty thousand people to come to

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Speaker 15: the area for the weekend. We're hopeful that most people

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Speaker 15: will be centered in the importance of the Declaration of

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Speaker 15: Independence and what it means for everybody, and we try

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Speaker 15: to make it a living event for this year as

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Speaker 15: it relates to the words and the verbiage and the

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Speaker 15: intent of the likes of Jefferson and our founding fathers.

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Speaker 15: So I think it's going to be an absolutely wonderful

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Speaker 15: weekend for people to come to Ohio to visit with

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Speaker 15: us at putt In Bay as we re sign the

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Speaker 15: Declaration of Independence And as you probably know, it's just

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Speaker 15: a little bit better build than what has been recently

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Speaker 15: signed by the majority of congressmen.

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Speaker 1: Declaration is a beautiful document. As Abraham Lincoln said, it's

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Speaker 1: the apple of gold protected by the frame of silver.

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Speaker 1: He borrowed that, I believe from Proverbs when he's talking

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Speaker 1: about the Declaration of the apple of gold, the frame

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Speaker 1: of silver being the Constitution. But David Aaignol I actually

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Speaker 1: did not know. August second is when Penn went to paper.

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Speaker 1: But as the background notes from the Lake Erie Foundation

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Speaker 1: point out, foreign governments did not recognize voice votes right.

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Speaker 1: They weren't in the business of telephone tech and there

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Speaker 1: weren't any telephones and the ships, so they needed a document.

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Speaker 1: They needed an actual document to be signed, and I

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Speaker 1: believe there are a few copies of it as well.

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Speaker 1: Have you got any of those close by Ohio?

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Speaker 15: You know, we've reached out to get one of the

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Speaker 15: existing original copies of the declaration to be on site

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Speaker 15: for this declaration. As you probably know, it's like an

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Speaker 15: Act of Congress to try to get one. So we're

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Speaker 15: hopeful that if JD signs on to be there for

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Speaker 15: this weekend as well as potentially President Trump as well

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Speaker 15: as the Congress. We were inviting every congressional member from

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Speaker 15: both the Senate and the House. We've got quite a

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Speaker 15: few people that have already signed on to be there,

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Speaker 15: so we haven't secured the document. We're trying desperately, and

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Speaker 15: I think if you volunteered to write the insurance policy,

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Speaker 15: it might happen.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 1: Jim Byron is helping Marco Rubo run the archive, so

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Speaker 1: I'll find out how many we've got. I know one

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Speaker 1: of them's in the Oval, and you're not going to

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Speaker 1: get that one because it's on the wall of the oval,

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Speaker 1: but maybe one of the other ones. Davis Evagno, I

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Speaker 1: honestly did not know though about August second, And how

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Speaker 1: did you figure this out? That we needed to add

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Speaker 1: that we need to extend the celebration which is underway

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Speaker 1: in its building. And we've been talking about two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fiftieth birthday. Everyone remembers the Bisontenne who is around

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Speaker 1: for nineteen seventy six, But I don't remember August second,

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six being a big day. Was it anyone market? Then?

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Speaker 15: You know, I don't know what the celebration was at

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Speaker 15: that point. But when we started investigating this Hue and

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Speaker 15: we tried to figure out, well, what's the relevance of

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Speaker 15: the state of Ohio as it relates to the declaration

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Speaker 15: of independence. We weren't one of the original thirteen colonies,

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Speaker 15: so what was our place on the map? And what

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Speaker 15: we come to find from the research was, you know,

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Speaker 15: we declared our independence in seventeen seventy six, but the

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Speaker 15: British never gave up. And the second War of Independence

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Speaker 15: was the War of eighteen twelve, and as you probably remember,

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Speaker 15: the Battle of Lake Area was one of the turning points.

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Speaker 15: So in many respects. You know, we declared our independence

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Speaker 15: in seventeen seventy six, and then we defended it again

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Speaker 15: in eighteen twelve. So when you look back at history,

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Speaker 15: it came to be that when you saw July fourth

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Speaker 15: and the adoption by Congress, the first thing they did

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Speaker 15: was send it off to the printer, and so a

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Speaker 15: gentleman ran off and he spent about a month getting

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Speaker 15: it printed up. He brought it to August second, where

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Speaker 15: most of the signatures were there. Fifty six people signed

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Speaker 15: on at that time, and as you probably know, there's

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Speaker 15: people who wouldn't sign it because it was basically a

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Speaker 15: mutinous document. And this now was going to be sent out,

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Speaker 15: as you know from being a lawyer, that it's now

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Speaker 15: you know, you've you've inscribed. And I think if you

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Speaker 15: go back to the telling words of Ben Franklin, what

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Speaker 15: he said, as you probably remember, this was very you know,

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Speaker 15: it was very difficult for these people. I think nine

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Speaker 15: or ten of them were killed within a year or so.

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Speaker 15: I mean, the British had them on their scope, and

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Speaker 15: so it took a lot of courage to sign onto

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Speaker 15: the declaration. And thirteen colonies there was I think five

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Speaker 15: or six representatives from each so it was a very

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Speaker 15: important moment in our history. I think August second is

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Speaker 15: something that most people don't know about. But as you know,

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Speaker 15: being a lawyer, I mean a document that's not signed

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Speaker 15: is probably not much of a document.

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Speaker 1: Now it does not even get the attention of anyone

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Speaker 1: in Parliament. I think it's a great idea. What is

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Speaker 1: the website Daves of Wagna where people can track the

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Speaker 1: festivities and the Buckeye State on August second this summer.

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Speaker 15: So it's under Lake Erie Heritage Foundation. So if you

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Speaker 15: just type in Lake Erie Heritage Foundation, it'll come up.

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Speaker 15: It'll be simple to see. We're hopeful to, like I said,

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Speaker 15: to attract the same number of people we had Hugh

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Speaker 15: for the bi centennial. And I think it's going to

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Speaker 15: be a wonderful event for the ARIA. I think it's

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Speaker 15: to be highly educational, to be well attended, and I

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Speaker 15: welcome everyone from across the country to come.

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Speaker 1: It's already done, you've already done more. July second voice

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Speaker 1: vote on the declaration, July fourth changes made final adoption.

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Speaker 1: That is the day it's voice voted, and then August

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Speaker 1: second it's signed. We should be celebrating every day in

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Speaker 1: America because the declaration lives on every day. David Zevagno,

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Speaker 1: thanks one more time. What's the found what's the website?

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Speaker 1: Lake Erie, lake.

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Speaker 15: Erie, lake Erie Heritage Foundation, lake Erie Herividge Foundation.

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Speaker 1: All right, yes, David Vagno, thank you, my friend. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk again as we get closer. Don't go anywhere, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna check in with Sarah Bedford. I also have

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Speaker 1: speaking of declaration of independence, the ambassador to the United

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Speaker 1: States from Ukraine coming up, and any breaking news about

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Speaker 1: Iran as it occurs. I'll bring it to you right

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Speaker 1: here on they give you a show Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh. You at In about a half hour, the

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Speaker 1: Foreign Minister of Iran sits down or the tape will

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Speaker 1: play of the minister's interview with Brett Baer on Special Report.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined now by Sarah Bedford of the Washington Gaminer. Sarah,

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Speaker 1: I want to play for you the clip that Fox

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Speaker 1: has released from that interview and get your reaction to it.

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Speaker 1: Here is the clip.

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Speaker 7: There are reports, sir, that anywhere from twenty five hundred

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Speaker 7: to more than twelve thousand protesters in various cities have

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Speaker 7: been killed by the regime. How many people have been killed.

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Speaker 12: I have to.

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Speaker 3: Say you, I have to tell you that story.

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Speaker 4: When terrorist elements led from outside, you know, entered these

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Speaker 4: protests and started to shoot to shoot you know, police forces,

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Speaker 4: police officers and.

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Speaker 3: Security forces, and.

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Speaker 16: They came in.

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Speaker 4: They used dish style terrorists, you know operations. They got

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Speaker 4: police officers, burned them alive, they beheaded them, and they

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Speaker 4: started shooting at police officers and also to the people.

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Speaker 3: So as a result, for three.

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Speaker 4: Days we had in fact fighting against terrorists and not

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Speaker 4: you know, with the protestors.

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Speaker 3: It was completely a different story.

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Speaker 4: The reason I have to explain, and this is important,

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Speaker 4: why they started to shoot at people For one reason.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to increase the number of deaths. Why because

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Speaker 4: President Trump has said that if there are killings, he

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Speaker 4: would intervene, and they wanted to drag him into this conflict.

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Speaker 3: And that was exactly and Israeli plot.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to drag the president of the United States

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Speaker 4: in this conflict. So they started to increase the number

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Speaker 4: of deaths by killing or dealer people, by killing police officers,

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Speaker 4: by starting a kind of you know fighting inside the

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Speaker 4: different cities.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 18: Sarah Bedford, Well, I think the Iranian government obviously doesn't

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Speaker 18: have a lot of credibility on this front. There are

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Speaker 18: reports that the deaths of protesters is far higher than

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Speaker 18: the official number released by the Iranian government, and that

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Speaker 18: is already a shockingly high number. Earlier this week it

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Speaker 18: was as high as two thousand people, So that's not

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Speaker 18: totally credible there. But it's interesting that Iranian authority invoked

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Speaker 18: President Trump and sort of in an indirect way, tried

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Speaker 18: to blame Donald Trump for some of the carnage that

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Speaker 18: we've seen, and then to hear that today President Trump

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Speaker 18: sort of changed his tune about the killing of protesters

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Speaker 18: and said he heard that Iran wasn't going to do

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Speaker 18: that anymore.

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Speaker 16: It's interesting.

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Speaker 18: It's not totally clear what President Trump's strategy is there,

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Speaker 18: but that the Iran government is trying to pin all

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Speaker 18: of this on Donal Trump shows they might be quite

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Speaker 18: nervous about what the Trump administration is about to do.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the Jews. They did stick in the

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Speaker 1: Israelis there in the course of that quote. We'll have

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Speaker 1: to watch the entire interview, but I think this fits

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Speaker 1: the pattern of the Donald Trump shuffle. He says a

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Speaker 1: on days with an even number, and he said not

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Speaker 1: a on days with an odd number, and the result

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Speaker 1: is confusion, which serves strategic surprise. Do you think that's

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Speaker 1: what's underway here?

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Speaker 18: Very possibly. He's done this with regards to Iran before,

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Speaker 18: where he sort of vaguely mentions he likes to say

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Speaker 18: he'll make a decision on a certain action within two weeks.

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Speaker 18: That's his co two timeframe. But you never really know

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Speaker 18: what he's thinking, because, like you mentioned, there's a strategic

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Speaker 18: element to why he maintains uncertainty around what.

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Speaker 16: He's going to do next.

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Speaker 18: We saw that play out with Venezuela as well, where

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Speaker 18: for a while there it looks like President Donald Trump

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Speaker 18: was imminently going to order some sort of invasion of Venezuela,

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Speaker 18: and then he rhetorically backed off, and then all of

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Speaker 18: a sudden, the US navs Maduro in the middle of

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Speaker 18: the night. So it's I think a fool's errand to

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Speaker 18: read too much into what Donald Trump is saying, because

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Speaker 18: he tends to play this stuff very very close to

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Speaker 18: the best.

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Speaker 1: So, given that we don't know what's going on, and

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Speaker 1: Ran is a closed country and the internet is still off,

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Speaker 1: after five days. What do you rely on? I rely

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Speaker 1: on Kareem Sad You're poor norm rule, Michael Duran. There

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Speaker 1: are a handful of people in the capitol and the

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Speaker 1: belwet who actually know what they're talking about, who don't

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Speaker 1: violate their clearances by talking about it. Who do you

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Speaker 1: look to, Sarah C. Bedford, Well, X.

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Speaker 18: Is such a fantastic platform for this sort of thing.

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Speaker 18: Now you don't have censorship at the state level anymore,

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Speaker 18: and so that sort of information can spread really quickly

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Speaker 18: videos from protesters in a way that might not have

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Speaker 18: been if we were still in the pre ln Musk

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Speaker 18: era on Twitter. So it's been a really valuable resource

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Speaker 18: to the extent that videos and anecdotes.

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Speaker 15: Are able to get out of Iran.

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Speaker 18: But you're right, there's a real information blackout on what's

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Speaker 1: And you're right about X two point zero being the

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Speaker 1: I just tuned to and that clip did you see

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett. All eyes are on here on, but meanwhile

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Speaker 1: of war rages in Central Europe, and I am pleased

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Speaker 1: to welcome the United States Ambassador to the United States

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Speaker 1: from Ukraine, Ambassador August Stephanshina. Welcome, madam, Ambassador. Good to

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Speaker 1: have you on the Huut Show.

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Speaker 16: Thank you so much for welcoming me. It's very important

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Speaker 16: to us.

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Speaker 1: What I would like to ask you I saw yesterday

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Speaker 1: at the Mark Ruta the Secretary General of NATO said

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Speaker 1: Russia is losing between twenty and twenty five thousand troops

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Speaker 1: a month along the Ukraine front. Can you confirm that

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Speaker 1: for us?

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Speaker 19: Well, what I can confirm that these numbers are even larger.

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Speaker 19: These are the numbers of people they are losing, just

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Speaker 19: even on a small parts of the front line. In reality,

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Speaker 19: these numbers are even bigger, and the equally big amount

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Speaker 19: of heavy millary equipment they are losing through successful drawne

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Speaker 19: attacks we are implementing on a ground.

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Speaker 1: And what sort of casually rate is Ukraine suffering, Madam Ambassador, This.

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Speaker 19: Is a totally uncomparable numbers. Because we are defending ourselves,

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Speaker 19: we're in defense, and because we're developed a strong defense

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Speaker 19: innovational base, we're able to defend ourselves through a new

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Speaker 19: technology through the drones. That's why the losses are absolutely uncomparable.

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Speaker 1: How far into Russia is Ukraine using their drones now?

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Speaker 1: Is it a matter of kilometers or is it thousands

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Speaker 1: of miles?

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Speaker 19: Well, one of the very unprecedented elements of this war

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Speaker 19: is that everything is happening online, so all of this

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Speaker 19: information is public. We conduct the deep strike operations as

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Speaker 19: part of a self defense, mostly as a humanitarian mission,

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Speaker 19: deterring Russians from the ability to attack our cities and

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Speaker 19: to kill our people. These are the strikes which are

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Speaker 19: targeted deeply within the territory of Russia, aiming at and

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Speaker 19: military objects, but also targeting the energy infrastructure, which is

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Speaker 19: the fuel of war and the instrument of geopolitical influence.

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Speaker 19: So we are pretty successful in that, and we keep

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Speaker 19: on helping our people to survive through the winter.

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Speaker 1: By this means now President's ony sounded fairly optimistic in

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Speaker 1: the last interview I read about a ceasefire coming into being.

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Speaker 1: Has anything changed that is public in those discussions. Are

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Speaker 1: we closer to a seafire this week than we were

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Speaker 1: last week?

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Speaker 19: Well, just in one month, we will approach the fourth

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Speaker 19: year since the beginning of the full scale aggression which

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Speaker 19: started into Southern and fourteen, and probably I can mark

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Speaker 19: the year to Southern And twenty five is the year

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Speaker 19: in a period where we went to the closest possible line.

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Speaker 19: Just having finally been in a situation when it's a

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Speaker 19: last mile literally to end the war. Combined efforts of

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Speaker 19: President and Kraine and President Trump and the teams has

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Speaker 19: brought us to understanding that we're not only targeting to

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Speaker 19: help Ukraine to survive, but also combining our efforts to

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Speaker 19: end the war.

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Speaker 13: And it's not yet there.

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Speaker 19: It's far from having a very solid decision on a horizon.

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Speaker 19: We do not see Russia showing any intention to commit

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Speaker 19: to ending the war or ceasefire. But we are solid

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Speaker 19: that we have all efforts targeted there, and we are

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Speaker 19: pretty solid in understanding that we have the major players

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Speaker 19: on board on that.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I'm Madame and Baslad, I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you to go back to the beginning of the second invasion.

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Speaker 1: At that point, Ukraine lost a lot of its connectivity

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Speaker 1: and Starlink was provided by mister Musk to reconnect Starlink

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Speaker 1: terminals in Ukraine to reconnect Ukraine to the world. It

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Speaker 1: was very vital. Starlink, though I don't think is working

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Speaker 1: in Iran because you need receivers and you can't shoot

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Speaker 1: the people who've got receivers. Is that why it worked

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine and why it's not working in Iran.

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Speaker 19: Well, I'm definitely not an expert on this topic, but

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Speaker 19: I know that one of the things you have to

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Speaker 19: know about my country that since the beginning of the

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Speaker 19: full scale invasion, and knowing that the tactics of war

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Speaker 19: is cut Ukraine off from availability, from connectivity, from ability

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Speaker 19: to connect between the cities, nothing in Ukraine stopped working.

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Speaker 19: So if you want something to work in Ukraine, it works.

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Speaker 19: And I also want to bring you your attention that

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Speaker 19: today Parliament voted for a new defense Minister of Ukraine

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Speaker 19: with Mihailo Further who was in contact with the Elon

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Speaker 19: Musk in the first months of war. And there are

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Speaker 19: two guys who knows the best how to answer these questions.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit MAdM ambassador about the new

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Speaker 1: defense minister the background.

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Speaker 19: So Mihailah joined the government of Ukraine just shortly after

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Speaker 19: President Zelenski was elected as a minister. He's like one

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Speaker 19: of the brightest representatives of the young generation of Ukrainians

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Speaker 19: who were born not far from Ukraine's independence, and he

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Speaker 19: is a one of the most effective ministers. He was

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Speaker 19: leading the digital efforts of Ukraine, but also he was

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Speaker 19: behind the whole state policy on the drones and drones innovation.

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Speaker 13: So he is probably the guy you can name when you.

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Speaker 19: Think about Ukraine's incredible defense capability and ability to scale

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Speaker 19: up even smallest innovation which are being evolved in the front.

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Speaker 19: So there are like a lot of hopes on what

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Speaker 19: he can do and what he can scale up. And

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Speaker 19: you know, he had the overwhelming support not only of

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Speaker 19: Ukrainian parlem but the Ukrainian people as well, so.

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Speaker 1: The closed manam ambassador. The most surprising thing in the war,

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Speaker 1: for I think most people in America is the Ukraine

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Speaker 1: is not only still standing, that it's fought to a draw.

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Speaker 1: And the second most amazing thing is that that Ukraine

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Speaker 1: is an engine of technological innovation that other countries are

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Speaker 1: now studying. Were you aware of this at the start

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Speaker 1: of the second part of the war, you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: fourteen and then twenty twenty two, were you aware that

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Speaker 1: Ukraine had this capacity to innovate?

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Speaker 19: Well, a part of all the other things that the

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Speaker 19: whole world has learned, I personally learned two things about

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Speaker 19: myself and a country. First, we are far more stronger

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Speaker 19: than we think of ourselves, and we are far less

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Speaker 19: vulnerable that Russians were trying to present to the whole world.

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Speaker 19: So this knowledge has only solidified through the full scale invasion.

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Speaker 19: And that's why you know, it's not possible to win

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Speaker 19: over Ukraine. It's possible to cause us even more suffering,

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Speaker 19: to guide us from lights and electricity, But with this

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Speaker 19: solid understanding and the solid resilience, it's nearly impossible to

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Speaker 19: put more pressure in us and keep us less resilient

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Speaker 19: than we are.

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Speaker 1: Ambassador Ogo Stephan Ashihana, thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 1: It's been my practice to have the ambassador every few months.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back, and I appreciate the update,

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Speaker 1: especially about the new Defense Minister, about which I had

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Speaker 1: not heard until I spoke with you.