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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: United States Senator Tom Cotton represents the Great State of Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: He's also Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Chairman of

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Speaker 1: the Republican Conference. Senator, thank you for making time for

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Speaker 1: me today. About an hour ago, US Central Command posted

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Speaker 1: some video and the statement. Two days ago, the Iranian

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Speaker 1: regime had eleven ships in the Gulf of Amon. Today

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Speaker 1: they have zero. What do you think the Chinese think

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Speaker 1: about this? And I want to tell the audience you

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Speaker 1: authored Seven Things you Can't Say about China. I've got

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Speaker 1: the book right here. What do you think our adversaries

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Speaker 1: in China think about what they've seen in the last

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Speaker 1: seventy two hours?

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Speaker 2: Well, she I think once again the Chinese communist can't

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Speaker 2: he please? Another signal display of strength, confidence, and resolution

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Speaker 2: by Donald Trump and the United States. More concretely and materially,

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Speaker 2: one has to imagine that they're fearful about the loss

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Speaker 2: of black market oil coming from Iran that has been

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Speaker 2: helping prop up the Iyatolas regime, and at the prospect

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Speaker 2: of one of their chief and only allies in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East falling and returning back into the American fold.

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Speaker 1: Senator, I am very disappointed with one of our longtime allies,

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, and wondering whether or not they ought

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Speaker 1: to be in five Eyes anymore because they wouldn't support

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Speaker 1: us in this. And then Spain has absolutely disgraced itself.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm one of those Atlantisys in our party,

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Speaker 1: but it makes it hard to argue with the isolation.

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Speaker 1: That's when our allies established in the back in the front.

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Speaker 2: Well, the actions of both nations are somewhat disappointing you.

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Speaker 2: At least the Prime Minister Starmer of Great Britain has

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Speaker 2: slightly modified his previous position allowing us to use basis

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Speaker 2: forty calls defensive positions. I would point out view that

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Speaker 2: this moment is a perfect example of why we need

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Speaker 2: total sovereignty over our military position in Greenland, both our

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Speaker 2: current one and our expanded one. This is why President

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Speaker 2: Trump has taken it so seriously. We cannot allow, for instance,

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Speaker 2: a future left wing government in Denmark to limit what

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Speaker 2: our military in Greenland needs to do in a moment

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Speaker 1: That brings me to the message to Cuba in all

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Speaker 1: of this, and I'm jumping ahead here because first Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: now Iran is under great stress. What is the message

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Speaker 1: to Cuba that they should be seeing.

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Speaker 2: Well, Cuba is on the rope to you know for

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Speaker 2: almost thirty years, actually over thirty years, I guess, be

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Speaker 2: at Russia propped up Cuba in the Castro regime, and

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Speaker 2: then Cuba's on the ropes in the nineties until Chavez

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Speaker 2: came along to prop up Cuba. And now they don't

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Speaker 2: have shave, they don't have anyone, and the Cuban government,

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Speaker 2: really the entire Cuban economy is on the verge of

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Speaker 2: seizing up like a machine without oil because well they

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Speaker 2: government they are and to use for energy. So that's

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Speaker 2: why the President has said that in conversations with Cuba,

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Speaker 2: things are looking very positive. I bet many many folks

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Speaker 2: dreaming them about a peaceful retirement alongside bacheor Alasade in

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Speaker 2: Moscow Right now, Senator.

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Speaker 1: Is there any open source reporting on whether or not

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Speaker 1: an American cyber campaign of any sort of taking place.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen a word about cyber attacks in Iran,

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Speaker 1: but that may be because we're not reporting them.

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Speaker 2: I'm not aware of any specifics. But you did hear

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Speaker 2: General Kane, the Chairman of GOINT Chiefs this morning, say

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Speaker 2: that cyber Command and Space Command, we're both integral in

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me move then to the big question,

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Speaker 1: which is the defense budget for next year. President Trump

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Speaker 1: is said on this program he'd like another half trillion

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Speaker 1: dollars of the nine hundred billion that's there. That's a

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Speaker 1: big lift. Center at Collins has said that. But if

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Speaker 1: something that reconciliation could deal with?

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Speaker 2: Well, you all on two of the three possibilities. There's

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Speaker 2: the possibility of a supplemental the possibility of reconciliation and

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Speaker 2: going to have to have a significant defense increase, not

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Speaker 2: but to continue to invest more and more into our

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Speaker 2: defense industry. We had Secretary Hesth in South Arkansas on

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Speaker 2: Friday on his Arsenal Freedom Tour. I've worked with these

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Speaker 2: need to do better. And the Pentagon needs to do

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Speaker 2: better in cutting through red tape, and frankly, Congress needs

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Speaker 2: to do better as well.

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Speaker 3: We all need to.

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Speaker 2: Do better for our troops on the front line and

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Speaker 2: the American people in producing missiles and missile defenses as

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Speaker 1: Now what a defense appropriation fit within the rules for

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Speaker 1: reconciliation requiring just simple majorities, because I think you might

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you if you recall our bill last summer, the

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Speaker 2: Working Family's Tax Cut Act had a lot more than

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Speaker 2: just tax cuts. It had a significant investment of one

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Speaker 2: much of that specifically was for additional munitions manufacturing and procurement.

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Speaker 1: So our last question, could the weeks and months I

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Speaker 1: had prove is consequential to our position in the world

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Speaker 1: as the fall of the Wall in nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: If you're wrong, crumbles and the Middle East board changes dramatically,

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Speaker 1: could it be that consequential?

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Speaker 2: It certainly has the prospect that he, as Secretary of

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Speaker 2: Rubio said, there's no simple answers about what happens in

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Speaker 2: Iran if the government were at fall. We know certainly

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Speaker 2: that the Supreme leader was eliminated, getting his just deserts

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Speaker 2: for forty years of terror against his own people and

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Speaker 2: against Americans in the civilized world. But let's all hope

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Speaker 2: that when the smoke is cleared and we've reduced around's

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Speaker 2: But also it's a new day for the Iranian people

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Speaker 2: and they have a pro American government that becomes an

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Speaker 2: anchor for peace and stability in the Middle East, not

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Speaker 1: Center Tom Cotton good to speak with you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for spending time on a very bavy weekend. Take care

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Speaker 1: of Senator. I'm joined by Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery, retiring

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Speaker 1: United States Navy after thirty two years of service in

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Speaker 1: the uniform. He's not the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies,

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Speaker 1: where he's a senior fellow Admiral. You've been around for

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Speaker 1: the five big conflicts that I've been around for Panama,

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Speaker 1: and then we've got the Yugoslavia Air campaign, Afghanistan, Iraq,

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Speaker 1: and then the Libyan campaign twenty eleven. What is different

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Speaker 4: I think that's a great question because the issue is

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Speaker 4: the we're trying to do an air only campaign.

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Speaker 3: Here. We've got six good lines of effort.

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Speaker 4: I had, you know, raising care Dan Kane laid them out,

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Speaker 4: not saying six, but you know, laid them out.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: IRGC leadership and facilities is one. Two is suppression of

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Speaker 4: enemy air defense, which I think we're almost near block

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Speaker 4: checked is two to three is the ballistic missile capabilities,

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Speaker 3: That's three. That's the big one right now.

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Speaker 4: Then drone facilities, capabilities and production.

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Speaker 4: And then the fifth one is the Iranian Iranian Navy,

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Speaker 4: and then the sixth one is the interesting one here,

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Speaker 3: How do you support the protesters?

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Speaker 4: This is different than like I was involved in Libya's

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Speaker 4: and in both cases we had an armed insurgency on

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Speaker 4: I know all their friends of mine. Now those are

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Speaker 4: I don't know that the sixth line of effort gets

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Speaker 4: title fifth year Intelligence Community Forces.

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Speaker 1: Admiral I saw earlier today reports that Israel's bombing along

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Speaker 1: the Kurdish border between the Iraqi Kurdish Dan and Iranian

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Speaker 1: might cross over. What would that mean to Turkey? Turkey

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Speaker 1: Uk is a close second, but Turkey's playing it both ways.

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Speaker 1: What would that mean if the Kurds crossed over.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think you did good justice to Hungary

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and so look the Turks are you know,

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Speaker 4: To become unglued if if we create a Kurdish problem

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Speaker 4: You've been unhelpful. You've been damaging to Israel. You have

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Speaker 4: not been a good ally to the United States any way,

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Speaker 4: shape or form. And so my empathy factor for them

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Speaker 4: is pretty low. I did I don't know what the

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Speaker 4: don't that's creating chaos and you know, chao us has

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm hesitant to say that. I know that's going

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Speaker 1: All right, now, admiraald this is this goes back to

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Speaker 1: your time at the Cyber Solarium, when you're the executive director,

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Speaker 1: a close to tolitarian society Iran with the secret police

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Speaker 1: thoroughly penetrated. I gather the Israelis took control of their

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Speaker 1: closed caption TV and followed around Hawmoni's bodyguard. There's a

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Speaker 1: stuff that we knew. If they're close to tolitarian society,

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Speaker 1: how vulnerable are we to this kind of surveillance and measures.

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Speaker 4: You know, I have a feeling a hue that you're

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Speaker 4: not watching enough Apple TV, because if you're watching Tehran,

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Speaker 4: you would know Israelis.

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Speaker 3: The Israelis have half of the I audience absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I mean, by the way, so much that is in

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Speaker 4: that streaming show just shows up here. I wonder sometimes

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Speaker 4: about Massad, but the you know, look had them penetrated,

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Speaker 4: and you know, give us some credit to you know,

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Speaker 4: General Kine's emphasis on the non kinetic aspects meant, I mean,

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Speaker 4: we kind of did the blunt force object of you

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Speaker 3: They did the scalpel work. The Israelis.

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Speaker 4: We know exactly where you are, we know who's coming

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Speaker 4: to this meeting, and we know that it is time

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Speaker 4: they're the scalpel with a sledgehammer, and between us that

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Speaker 4: was a pretty non kinetic butt kicking.

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Speaker 1: Yes, now, Admill, I have a column for Fox News

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Speaker 1: tomorrow that restates, again objectively, the facts of nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: Powell called a halt to the First Golf War after

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Speaker 1: one hundred hours, and the debate about that goes on.

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Speaker 3: Then you declare victory.

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Speaker 4: The propensity for presidents who declared victory.

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Speaker 4: We need to carry through on this, even if it's

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Speaker 1: I set out what do you think China is saying

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Speaker 1: Admiral, we used the B one. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm excited to have them in there

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Speaker 4: By the way, that counts for a lot of fighter

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Speaker 1: Now now, Admiral, I'm asking her a continent earlier about

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, But I'll back up to that whole Red Sea

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Speaker 1: Edward Teller are smiling today because of what Israel is doing.

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Speaker 1: They've suffered civilian casualties, but they they're shooting everything down.

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Speaker 4: So first, this validates President Trump's commitment to Golden Dome

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Speaker 3: It also validates his selection of Mike Gootline.

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Speaker 4: the truth is we don't have There's not enough patriot

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Speaker 3: And with that in mind, the.

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Speaker 4: I'm afraid the President will not you know, it will

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Speaker 1: We're radmal Mark Montgomery. Thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 1: I know you're in high demand and I appreciate all

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Speaker 1: Talk to you again soon. Thank you Admiral again. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined from Israel by a Meet Segal with twelve News

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Speaker 1: in Israel. It's also with Dan Senor on the Calling

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Speaker 1: Back podcast, the Insider podcast Busiest Man as I can

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Speaker 1: tell in Israeli media. I mean, thank you for making

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Speaker 1: Together to facilitate the process.

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Speaker 5: I think it's ready. Are willing to pay a high price.

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Speaker 1: This is not the case.

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Speaker 1: ninety six, for a total of almost sixteen years. This

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Speaker 1: is the fruition what is unfolding now. It's not done yet,

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Speaker 1: but this is the fruition of his life goal. Is

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Speaker 1: it changing the fundamentals of politics in Israel or is

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Speaker 1: it just hardening the lines for whenever the ceasefire or

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Speaker 1: the piece or the regime collapses in Iran.

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Speaker 5: It absolutely helps him, you know, following the utter disaster

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Speaker 5: of October sevens which happened on Natania's watch, which with

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Speaker 5: his accountability, I thought that his only way whether this

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Speaker 5: monster storm, is actually by defeating Iran, because Iran is

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Speaker 5: the sugar ready of each and every proxy that fought Israel,

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Speaker 5: especially Ramas. And here we see that what began on

451
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Speaker 5: October Seven's was actually Israel's pell Holbo. And now we

452
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Speaker 5: are in the gates of Berlin and Tokyo, and I

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Speaker 5: think this opportunity cannot be missed. I think that Nataniel

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Speaker 5: and Trump, I would put it different to Natania was

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Speaker 5: the only one, the only leader who could have talked

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Speaker 5: Trump into attacking Iran, you know, the leader of the

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Speaker 5: Maga movement. And because he explained to Trump, first how

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Speaker 5: dangerous cities to the United States States itself and second

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Speaker 5: what it teached the world in the US enemies. If

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Speaker 5: I run is to be the unim regim is to

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Speaker 5: be destroyed by the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: Now Prime Minister Modi of India was their last week.

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Speaker 1: And the new world order that is emerging is of

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Speaker 1: the high tech superpowers like Israel, India and the United States.

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Speaker 1: And maybe they'll drag along the old europe powers, but

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Speaker 1: they're not really playing their own game. I also think

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Speaker 1: the golf allies are going to come along and I

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Speaker 1: can't even believe it. Lebanon is you know, declared open

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Speaker 1: season on Hesbola.

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Speaker 5: Hooray right, yes, Chris Balla, you know there was a

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Speaker 5: once in nineteen eighty three the Label party in the

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Speaker 5: United Kingdom published It's a manifesto, It's a gender for

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Speaker 5: the election, and the British Plus defined it as the

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Speaker 5: longest suicide member, the longest suicide letter.

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Speaker 1: In the history of the world.

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Speaker 5: So I would say that his blast decision to fire

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Speaker 5: three rockets in the middle of the night on Israel

478
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Speaker 5: was the loudest suicide letter in the history of the

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Speaker 5: Middle East. Listen, I know they were between a rock

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Speaker 5: and a hard place. The hardest place, you know, Iranians.

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Speaker 5: The founders demand them to actually seize the opportunity and

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Speaker 5: defend them. That was the purpose of establishing christ Bella

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Speaker 5: and on the other hand, the formidable power of the idea.

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Speaker 5: They took the worst decision. They attacked, but only marginally

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Speaker 5: three rockets, and now Israel would come with its decisive

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Speaker 5: power to eliminate his bela once and fall.

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Speaker 1: And the Lebanese government understands this.

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Speaker 5: I mean they see yet another flood of refugees, and

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Speaker 5: their decision today was historic in the sense that for

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Speaker 5: the first time his belife defined as illegal militarily in Levange.

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Speaker 5: Good news for the media.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean I talked to four Israelis about Seth

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Speaker 1: you and nadav Aviv and doctor or in doctor ORNs.

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Speaker 1: My generation U three are a generation younger. But you

495
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Speaker 1: seem to talk to everyone and everyone's mad at you occasionally,

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Speaker 1: so that means you're actually a fine reporter. What do

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Speaker 1: your sources tell you about fracture within Iran? Because there

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Speaker 1: are some reports I don't know whether the credit them

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Speaker 1: or not of internal fracturing of the regime. Have you

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Speaker 1: heard that from any of the people you report on.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think we should stick to cautious optimism when

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Speaker 5: it comes to this. There are two options basically for

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Speaker 5: the future of Iran. One is the fantasy of Israel

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Speaker 5: and the United States just you know, pressing control z

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Speaker 5: undoing the Islamic evolution, thus getting you know, a liberal,

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Speaker 5: secular proise ready pro western Iran. But the other more

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Speaker 5: probable option is that we're going to have Venezuela. The

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Speaker 5: United States took the president and now, I mean the

509
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Speaker 5: vice president is way more cautious when it comes to

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Speaker 5: the United States, way more friendly. Why because I guess

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Speaker 5: she's afraid the United States is going to after her too.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing in.

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Speaker 1: Iran, I think.

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Speaker 5: And you should notice you something very interesting Israel targeted

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Speaker 5: killed forty eight senior figures in Iran, form Ali Khaminida, Supremelyadium,

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Speaker 5: to generals and everything in between. But it skipped the

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Speaker 5: Iranian president Pashkazian. Now, it's not due to lack of information.

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Speaker 5: I suspect, and it's only my suspicion that this guy

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Speaker 5: is going to be the go to guy when it

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Speaker 5: comes to the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 1: That's a fascinating speculation. I watched that. What about their

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Speaker 1: foreign minister who continued to make a full out of

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Speaker 1: himself whenever he goes on American television.

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Speaker 5: The Middle East is full with, you know, ridiculous foreign ministers.

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Speaker 5: The didn't grasp the changing situation.

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Speaker 1: In their in their homelands.

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Speaker 5: You do you remember italic As for Miraq, Mahmuda Sakha

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Speaker 5: for Mirak.

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Speaker 1: I think Alila.

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Speaker 5: Arakchi is going to be remembered exactly like them.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you have talked, I've heard you talk

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Speaker 1: about the UAE and Saudi ua is a little Sparta

533
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Speaker 1: and they have been with us every step of the

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Speaker 1: way through the long Wars, and their very very close

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Speaker 1: ally just just behind Israel. They don't have the capabilities

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Speaker 1: Israel does, but they are reliable. Do you think that breach,

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Speaker 1: which was very alarming, has been healed by the common

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Speaker 1: enemy that Iran has proven to be.

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Speaker 5: First of all, yes, I think the UAE, the UI's

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Speaker 5: number one reason to go to the Abrama Cords was

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Speaker 5: first the huge threat possessed by Iran, and second understanding

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Speaker 5: that there should be an alliance of the moderates in

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Speaker 5: the Middle East. It's not Jews versus Arabs, or Jews

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Speaker 5: versus Muslims, but moderates versus fundamentalists. And now Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 5: gets this.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 5: I Ran attacked, the directly attacked Saudi Arabia this day

548
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Speaker 5: attacked Bahrain, whouwaits even Qatar, you know, Qatar, the big

549
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Speaker 5: the biggest terror funder, the second biggest tele funder in

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Speaker 5: the Middle list was targeted by the first.

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Speaker 1: Founder in the in the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: This is huge, and I think they are going to

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Speaker 5: understand that there is only one power in the Middle

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Speaker 5: East which does not threaten peaceful citizens, and this is Israel.

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Speaker 1: Thirty seconds, I mean, is anyone running around right now

556
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Speaker 1: because what they're doing does not fit any coherent pattern

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my studies of war and conflict

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Speaker 1: and being around don't make any sense. Is anyone running it?

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Speaker 3: No, it is run by by the Gang of Three.

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Speaker 5: But and here's the thing, it runs a strategic plan

561
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Speaker 5: for the entire for the last forty seven years was

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Speaker 5: we are going to enjoy the bloods of other proxies.

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Speaker 5: Now their proxies are gone thanks to the IDF, and

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Speaker 5: now for the first time they have to fight themselves

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Speaker 5: against the West, and the outcome is devastating.

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Speaker 1: From them going very well. I meet Segal, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining me. Follow him on. I meet Schagal. Get

568
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Speaker 1: his book that you can get an Amazon. Listen to

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Speaker 1: him and call me back with Dan speenor and thank

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Speaker 1: you to meet for at the time. Good luck with

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Speaker 1: the babies in the middle of a war. I'll be

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Speaker 1: right back in America's patre born in Gloria and Ian

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Speaker 1: and Grace in America. I'm you Hereitt back from vacation.

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Speaker 1: My thanks to Kurt Schlicker for sitting in for me

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Speaker 1: last week. And what was the penultimate week before the war.

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Speaker 1: And I was without wireless all day Saturday as I

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Speaker 1: flew Delta just couldn't get it working. So I was

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Speaker 1: gone crazy wondering what my next guest, Eli Lake, who

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Speaker 1: I asked to be the first guest for this program,

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Speaker 1: first guest after the war was sinking and saying, and

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Speaker 1: he was working with commentary and pumping stuff out. Eli,

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Speaker 1: great work this weekend. First question, big picture, your reaction

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Speaker 1: after seventy two hours of war with Iran.

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Speaker 6: I look at this as the culmination of a forty

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Speaker 6: seven year war that was started with the embassy hostage

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Speaker 6: crisis that the Iranian regime has started, and it looks

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Speaker 6: like this is going to be the final chapter of

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Speaker 6: that near fifty year war. And I think that's the

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Speaker 6: right way to look at it now.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Free Press, for whom you worked, did

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Speaker 1: an amazing job on Saturday before I lost wireless. You

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Speaker 1: brought in serious people to talk about the subject. There's

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Speaker 1: been good guests over at Fox as well, but most

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Speaker 1: of the news is slow, Eli. Where are you getting

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Speaker 1: your news from about developments in the war.

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Speaker 6: I like social media, there are some accounts. I think

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Speaker 6: Iran International has been very good source for understanding what's

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Speaker 6: happening with the democratic opposition. I always in situations like this,

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Speaker 6: we'll try to remember the basic rule of the fog

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Speaker 6: of war. The first reports are often wrong, so there

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Speaker 6: was a there were there was still dispute over who

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Speaker 6: hit a girls' school that you know, the casualty figures

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Speaker 6: keep rising, and a lot of news outlets kind of

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Speaker 6: went with that. But I'm still waiting to sort of see, okay,

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Speaker 6: what what happened there was that potentially a misfire was

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Speaker 6: on an IRGC base. Certainly don't think it was targeted.

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Speaker 6: That's regime propaganda, but uh, you know so, so I'm there.

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Speaker 6: I do think that the straight stuff you're getting from

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Speaker 6: the wires and the usual suspects has been pretty good.

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Speaker 6: And to be honest, I learned a ton just at

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Speaker 6: the press conference today with Raisin Kine and Pete Hexsath. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean that that answered a lot of questions. I

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Speaker 6: thought was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: So now I listened to HEAVV right morning on my

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Speaker 1: trungle and he too. He went very big on the

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Speaker 1: other chessboard, the Grand Strategy chessboard. I thought he was persuasive.

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Speaker 1: What do you think China is seeing as it's unfolds.

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Speaker 6: Well, we've talked about this before. The first thing, I

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Speaker 6: think that the Chinese military planners are looking at Is.

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Speaker 6: The United States and Israel together have done it again.

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Speaker 6: They have managed to, in this case kill instead of

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Speaker 6: capture the leader of a regime without boots on the ground.

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Speaker 1: That's brand new.

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Speaker 6: That's a new technology that, in my view, is a

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Speaker 6: new kind of capability. And I think we're in this

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Speaker 6: kind of moment similar to the years after World War

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Speaker 6: Two where America and its ally Israel has a kind

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Speaker 6: of monopoly on this capability.

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Speaker 1: But that's extraordinary.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that this would be done in China,

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Speaker 6: but I just think it changes the game. It changes

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Speaker 6: the chessboard in a lot of ways in terms of

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Speaker 6: a kind of tactical innovation. The other thing I think

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Speaker 6: is that I have not seen Russia or China the

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Speaker 6: kind of great power allies of Iran offering to send troops,

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Speaker 6: offering to do much of anything. Iran is alone and isolated.

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Speaker 6: That to me was also super significant. But if we

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Speaker 6: were worried that China would take an opportunity to make

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Speaker 6: a grab for Taipei and Taiwan, I think we've set

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Speaker 6: that back at this point in terms of the demonstration

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Speaker 6: of American military might.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the one accent we had not see is the

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Speaker 1: underwater asset. I know most of the Iranian navy has

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Speaker 1: been sunk. I don't know how it's been sunk, but

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Speaker 1: I would guess a lot of our Virginia attack submarines

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Speaker 1: are near the Straits Taiwan Straits right now, because we

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Speaker 1: are pretty committed in the Middle East to this. Let

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Speaker 1: me go to the downside. I don't know that the

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Speaker 1: United Kingdom should be in the five eyes anymore, and

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Speaker 1: I sure as hell don't think Spain out to be

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Speaker 1: anywhere near. What do you make of their First of all,

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Speaker 1: UK just wouldn't work with us for seventy two hours.

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Speaker 1: How do we trust them? And then Spain won't work

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Speaker 1: with us now after everybody's been attacked by the Butchers.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's drastic. The five I question is very interesting

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Speaker 6: with the UK. But the Shenanigans they called with Diego

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Speaker 6: Garcia for as this was ramping up, is a real blow.

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Speaker 6: And I think it is a huge problem. And I

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Speaker 6: know it was something that Trump had personally talked about,

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Speaker 6: so it got his attention. Listen, this is the difference

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Speaker 6: between the US Israel. I mean, think about what the

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Speaker 6: US Israel military partnership is achieving right now. Taking care

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Speaker 6: of an enemy to not just Israel. It's like not

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Speaker 6: a war for Israel. It's like they're taking care of

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Speaker 6: the West. And where is where is where are our

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Speaker 6: traditional European allies in that nowhere? They are roving their

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Speaker 6: irrelevance in this moment. You know, it makes you rethink

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Speaker 6: a number of things, and it you know, it gets

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Speaker 6: back to I was very initially skeptical of Trump's hostility

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Speaker 6: to NATO. I'm not saying I've come around to the

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Speaker 6: kind of full Trumpian position on it, but I just

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Speaker 6: don't know that we can count on a lot of

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Speaker 6: the europe Western European militaries in particular, to be the

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Speaker 6: kind of allies that we assume they are in the

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Speaker 6: NATO alliance. You know, when they did there at a moment

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Speaker 6: like this, and not just that they didn't go along

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Speaker 6: with the United States, Do they have the what capabilities.

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Speaker 1: Would they have?

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Speaker 6: I mean that's what I'm the Israeli tech and what

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Speaker 6: the Americans have been able to do. I keep coming

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Speaker 6: back to it is so extraordinary. And where is the

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Speaker 6: UK on stuff like this?

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Speaker 1: Nowhere? Yeah, I'm kind of up for the two eyes approach.

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Speaker 1: What we don't know Massada, and I'm kind of going

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Speaker 1: to that. I want to ask you about your worry.

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Speaker 1: My column for Fox tomorrow is Mster President, don't do

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Speaker 1: what hw and Dick Cheney and Colin Powell did in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. Although I don't know the information they

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Speaker 1: acted on that they had a goal. They executed the

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Speaker 1: Pole doctrine. They expelled Saddam, but the Marshabs were slaughtered.

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Speaker 1: We went on for another eleven years with the no

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Speaker 1: fly zones. We lost airman, we lost kobar towers. It

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Speaker 1: was not the right thing to blink and quit. And

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Speaker 1: because you know, look bad on the road, that was

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Speaker 1: the road of destruction and death. Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: a danger of stopping too soon?

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Speaker 6: Yes, but I also think that there this is a

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Speaker 6: big gamble and we should we should keep.

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Speaker 1: That in mind.

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Speaker 6: I think it's smart that we're not going to commit

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Speaker 6: boots on the ground because Americans don't want it.

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Speaker 1: And then our service.

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Speaker 6: Our marines, our our infantry men become sitting ducks because they,

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Speaker 6: as a man, the checkpoints and they train and we

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Speaker 6: and that's that's how.

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Speaker 1: The wars became.

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Speaker 6: Quagmires wasn't in the initial phase of toppling the regimes.

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Speaker 6: It was the nation building phase. So I think Trump

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Speaker 6: is smart to say that's not in the cards and

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Speaker 6: you shouldn't have any expectations of that. But we should

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Speaker 6: also acknowledge that we have less of an ability to

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Speaker 6: shape whatever comes next in the transition. My hope is

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Speaker 6: that MASAD and CIA have a network in place that

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Speaker 6: can emerge after these layers of the regime are eliminated,

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Speaker 6: and that would be the best case scenario, and I'm

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Speaker 6: not ruling it out, but it's a big unknown at

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Speaker 6: this point. And my nightmare scenario is that you have

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Speaker 6: even if it's a thousand true believers with lots of guns,

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Speaker 6: you know, they head to the hills, they form an insurgency,

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Speaker 6: and there's a race for the most sensitive material, whether

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Speaker 6: it's nuclear, whether it's you know, even if it's handheld

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Speaker 6: anti aircraft guns, which we know the Iranians have, If

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Speaker 6: they get in the hands of terrorist groups and they

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Speaker 6: go to international airports, that's an international crisis.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is.

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Speaker 6: I actually think the MASAD and the CIA and the

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Speaker 6: US military are aware of that, and I and you

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Speaker 6: have to marvel at their brilliance and competence. So at

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Speaker 6: this point, I think they know that that's a challenge,

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Speaker 6: but there are no guarantees. We've ruled the iron dice

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Speaker 6: of war and we have to accept that that's a

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Speaker 6: major risk.

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Speaker 1: Now there's no danger of loose nukes. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of danger of loose nuclear material that makes dirty bombs,

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Speaker 1: and that is that's very last question, just loose weaponry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Israel has demonstrated extraordinary technology that we need, and I

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Speaker 1: think the Golden Dome that Trump's put on the table

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Speaker 1: becomes the priority for the rest of his term that

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Speaker 1: we need what Israel has. Do you think the Congress

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Speaker 1: will step up and spend what needs to be spent

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Speaker 1: and go Manhattan Project on this the way that Reagan

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Speaker 1: did and then we kind of put it away because

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Speaker 1: of the piece did and Ino, But we need it.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely essentially so glad you brought this up.

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Speaker 6: This is an opportunity to reset the USS where we're relationship.

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Speaker 6: I think that it's not just me, Benjamin Netanyahu's even

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Speaker 6: said this, it's time to end the model of that.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're subsidizing Israel's military more than any other

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Speaker 6: country in the world.

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Speaker 1: Israel's a prosperous nation.

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Speaker 6: Instead, let's have Israel graduate to full partner and instead

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Speaker 6: of having a Manhattan project, let's have Israel, you know,

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Speaker 6: bring its technology to us in a collaborative process, so

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Speaker 6: that we have Iron Beam, a laser based missile defense

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Speaker 6: system that eliminates the huge.

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Speaker 1: Problem right now in.

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Speaker 6: Our missile defense contract, which is that it's far more

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Speaker 6: expensive to build the interceptors than for the bad guys

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Speaker 6: to build the missiles. So if we can use that

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Speaker 6: kind of laser technology doesn't work in all conditions, but

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Speaker 6: if we can get that and use that and have

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Speaker 6: Israel helping with Golden Dome, that is a new kind

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Speaker 6: of relationship.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'd like to say. I agree this

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Speaker 1: is they are the equal of any of our ally,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, they've proven themselves to be more important

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Speaker 1: to us than any other ally in the last seventy

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Speaker 1: two hours in a grand strategy sense, which has not

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Speaker 1: always been the case before. Eli Lake always hit the

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Speaker 1: free Press, follow him at the CFP and on x

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Speaker 1: at Eli Lake, come right back, America lots ahead today

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Speaker 1: on my first day back, Danny Pluckkip from AIX Welcome

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Speaker 1: back in America, I'm you, Hewittt back after a week

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Speaker 1: thanks to Kirk Schlichter for sitting in for me last week.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Danny Pludka, senior scholar at the American

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Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute, co host of the What the Hell Is

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Speaker 1: going On? Podcast? Danny, I want to ask you about

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Speaker 1: the big big picture of eve Reddy Gore did a

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Speaker 1: what Ask Have You Anything? Podcast all about what China

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Speaker 1: is watching and seeing and concluding. I want to put

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Speaker 1: that question to you, because you are a grand strategist.

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Speaker 1: What is China seeing, watching, concluding from the first seventy

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Speaker 1: two hours of this war.

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Speaker 7: Look, it's really important that the China is understand something

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Speaker 7: about American will because I think that a lot of

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Speaker 7: our adversaries in recent years, recent administrations, have come to

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Speaker 7: believe that America can be tested and will not respond,

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Speaker 7: that America can be rejected and not respond. And this

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Speaker 7: is what our history with China is. We've watched the Chinese.

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Speaker 7: We've talked repeatedly about a quote unquote pivot to Asia,

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Speaker 7: and what we've done is not only not pivot, but

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Speaker 7: not respond to a Chinese military build up in the

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Speaker 7: South China Sea, to Chinese aggression against our allies in

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Speaker 7: Southeast to Asia, and now watching us, watching our capabilities

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Speaker 7: in the Mediterranean, they have got to be asking themselves

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Speaker 7: is this a risk worth taking?

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Speaker 1: I agree? I also wonder are they going to rush

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Speaker 1: to try and build a counter like a Golden Dome themselves?

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Speaker 1: And how much of a priority does Golden Dome become

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Speaker 1: for the American homeland now?

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Speaker 7: So I think that. Look, I think all missile defenses,

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Speaker 7: all drone defenses, are absolutely critical. But we knew this

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Speaker 7: before this conflict with Iran. We knew this by watching

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Speaker 7: what the Russians have been doing with Iranian weaponry to

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Speaker 7: our friends, the Ukrainians. And we know this by watching

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Speaker 7: what the Ukrainians have been able to do to the

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Speaker 7: Russians by stepping up their capabilities their manufacture of drones.

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Speaker 7: We all need to be working together to counter the

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Speaker 7: capabilities of adversaries like the Russians. Well, I would have

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Speaker 7: said the Iranians, but maybe not, but certainly the Chinese,

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Speaker 7: and to begin to protect our allies, the Israelis, the Taiwanese,

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Speaker 7: the Ukrainians are NATO friends. Well, if I can still

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Speaker 7: call them NATO friends.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let's pause there, because I brought up the five.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I trust the United Kingdom anymore. And

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Speaker 1: Spain has basically given more ammunition to the isolationists in

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Speaker 1: America than every isolation as in America could come up

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Speaker 1: with in the last forty eight hours.

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Speaker 7: You know, I have friends who use this word and

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Speaker 7: I find it very effective. I'm very disappointed in our

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Speaker 7: NATO allies and the same people who have been and

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Speaker 7: again you you warned me about the FCC, I need

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Speaker 7: to be careful of my language. But the same people

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Speaker 7: who have been whining over the last year and a

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Speaker 7: half about America's alliance with NATO, about our lack of

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Speaker 7: commitment to the Transatlantic Alliance, about us not doing enough

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Speaker 7: for our Ukinan friends are completely and totally indifferent when

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Speaker 7: a we come to them and say support us in

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Speaker 7: supporting our allies and partners in the Middle East. They

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Speaker 7: are two faced hypocrites. And that's just the languag that

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Speaker 7: I'm using to be compliant with the FSNC.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing that, Danny Plikeka. Let me go

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Speaker 1: back to one of the most debated decisions in national

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Speaker 1: security strategy of the last fifty years, the decision by

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Speaker 1: President George H. W. Bush, Secretary of Defense, and then

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Speaker 1: Cheney and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, then Colin Powell

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Speaker 1: to stop the invasion of Kuwait after reaching the border

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Speaker 1: with the rock after on the arbitrary one hundred hours

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Speaker 1: headline moment. Do you think we are in danger of

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing here? And I'm not saying I

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Speaker 1: don't want to relitigate that decision. There are good reasons

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Speaker 1: to defend that decision and bad reason to defend that decision.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to stop prematurely here.

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Speaker 7: Now. Listen, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And you know

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Speaker 7: there's always a tension between the military imperatives and the

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Speaker 7: political imperatives. But here Mark and I had on and

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Speaker 7: we don't yet it's not yet published, but we had

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Speaker 7: on very well known nuclear expert David Albright, physicist on

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Speaker 7: the podcast this morning, and we'll release it tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 7: But he gave us such compelling reasons for us to

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Speaker 7: stay the course in Iran. First of all, they have

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Speaker 7: a nuclear weapons program. We know that we don't know

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Speaker 7: where all of their facile material is, where all of

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Speaker 7: their enriched geranium is. If we stop prematurely, we risk

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Speaker 7: the idea that bad guys that Iranian government retreads that

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Speaker 7: al Qaeda. Don't forget al Qaida head of al Qaida

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Speaker 7: is in Iran right now, that these guys will get

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Speaker 7: a hold of get a hold of nuclear material, nuclear technology.

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Speaker 7: We don't want that to happen. And it's one of

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Speaker 7: the reasons why I believe the President will continue to

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Speaker 7: prioritize ensuring there is a stable government in Iran that

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Speaker 7: follows this one. It's imperative.

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Speaker 1: Danny sail Adel is the current head of al Qaeda.

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Speaker 1: He replaced Zawahiri after Zawahiri was killed by Tim Biden,

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Speaker 1: and good that he's gone to his reward. But this

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Speaker 1: guy's in Iran. Doesn't that make this an AUMF covered

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Speaker 1: operation from two thousand and one?

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Speaker 7: So I've wrote about this this weekend. You can certainly

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Speaker 7: press the AARMF for people who are not nerdy like me.

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Speaker 7: The authorization for use of military force that came after

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Speaker 7: nine to eleven, and that really has been used by

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Speaker 7: successive presidents for counter terrorism operations in Syria and Iraq

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Speaker 7: and Yemen and even further afield than that. Look, I

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Speaker 7: don't think that the president actually requires an authorization for

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Speaker 7: use of military force, and I don't think that he's

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Speaker 7: going to get one from this Congress. But in a

877
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Speaker 7: pinch sure stretch that AOMF that's now, what twenty five

878
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Speaker 7: years old? He almost twenty five years old. Even further

879
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Speaker 7: and say that the head of al Qaeda's presence and

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Speaker 7: his being protected by this regime does give us a

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Speaker 7: certain latitude in our operations. But the Constitution makes clear. Look,

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Speaker 7: and you know this better than I do, Hugh, the

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Speaker 7: President has the ultimate authority to defend the national security

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Speaker 7: of the American people and he doesn't need an AOMF

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Speaker 7: to do that. It's nice to have, it's not an imperative.

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Speaker 1: And Hugh youtt believe the War Powers Actor is unconstitutional.

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Speaker 1: For the record, last question, thanks K. Ben Rhodes is

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Speaker 1: up there. You tweeted about this. Are the Democrats that's stupid?

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Speaker 1: Do they really not understand that Ben represents and God

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Speaker 1: bless him, he's just dumb the sunk costs of twenty

891
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Speaker 1: years of idiocy. It's not the way they want to go.

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Speaker 1: They got to go back to being the party of JFK.

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Speaker 7: Well, bless his heart. Ben Rhodes, whose degree I think

894
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Speaker 7: is in fiction, writing, and perhaps appropriately so, was an

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Speaker 7: important advisor to the Obama administration and has become not

896
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Speaker 7: just a rulent defender of the Biden and Obama legacies,

897
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Speaker 7: but has really become a pretty nasty enemy of the

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Speaker 7: state of Israel in recent years. Look, he doesn't know

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Speaker 7: what he's talking about. He's an embarrassment. And I have

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Speaker 7: seen that there are a couple of Democrats who are

901
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Speaker 7: not so blinded by their loathing of Donald Trump that

902
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Speaker 7: they are able to recognize that what the president is

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Speaker 7: doing is important to our national security. And then there's

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Speaker 7: the rest of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope Chris Coons and Angus King and Jack

906
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Speaker 1: Reed and the Caucus of the Serious come out and

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Speaker 1: say way to go, miss President. We're with you. Danny

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Speaker 1: Plugger from AI follower on hplug listen to what the

909
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Speaker 1: hell is going on? Mister Albright is indeed the person

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Speaker 1: I would want to hear about the loose nuclear material.

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Speaker 1: It'll be on to Milds podcast by Jun Americ. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Meta. I'm new Hewett Richard Goldberg as a

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Speaker 1: senior Fellow with the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy.

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Speaker 1: He's been working on the Iran file for decades. Rich

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Speaker 1: thank you for spending some time with me. I know

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Speaker 1: you must be in great demand. First, just your general

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Speaker 1: reaction to seventy two hours of the war with Iran.

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Speaker 8: Well historic in every single way, obviously, Hugh, credit to

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Speaker 8: you for just pounding away on this issue all these weeks,

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Speaker 8: not letting it fade out of the media's site. After

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Speaker 8: the historic uprising by the Iranian people and unfortunately the

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Speaker 8: historic maximum violence from the regime, but in the first

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Speaker 8: twenty four hours, historic coordination between the United States and Israel,

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Speaker 8: the ability to command the skies together with US made

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Speaker 8: platforms the decapitation strike on the leadership of that regime

926
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Speaker 8: and are very precise and ongoing degrading with the intent

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Speaker 8: of destruction of all of the external threats that this

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Speaker 8: regime faces that presents to the United States from its missiles,

929
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Speaker 8: it's drone, its navy and also a surprise to me,

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Speaker 8: not surprised if you've been following energy markets, but even

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Speaker 8: with attacks on energy infrastructure and some of our Gulf

932
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Speaker 8: state allies, the oil market is different today. American energy

933
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Speaker 8: dominance has made a difference. We are seeing the same

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Speaker 8: tepid reaction that we saw in the first twenty four

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Speaker 8: hours of the twelve day war. And so in the

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Speaker 8: oil market we are seeing just a little bit of

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Speaker 8: a bump right now.

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Speaker 9: It can change.

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Speaker 8: But the president's focus on drill, baby drill. We saw

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Speaker 8: an attack on Katari LNG export facilities today, the president's

941
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Speaker 8: decision to reverse his predecessor's ban on the export of

942
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Speaker 8: LG looming very large today. And so American energy dominance

943
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Speaker 8: providing flexibility here, American military dominance potentially changing the world's face.

944
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Speaker 8: And what comes next if all continues to go as planned,

945
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Speaker 8: destroying their external threat capability and then opening the door

946
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Speaker 8: to the command and control, the repression apparatus, and perhaps

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Speaker 8: millions of Iranians taking back their country.

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Speaker 1: So Rich Coldberg, I listened to the Writy Gore this morning,

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Speaker 1: ask you of anything, and he did a very useful thing.

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Speaker 1: He took his focus off the chessboard, that is the

951
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Speaker 1: Middle East regional problems and conflicts, and focused on grand

952
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Speaker 1: strategy chessboard. I want to do that throughout the program

953
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Speaker 1: today and I have been doing it throughout the program.

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Speaker 1: What do you think China is thinking as they see

955
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Speaker 1: this unfolding?

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Speaker 8: Well, I said this when we spoke a few weeks ago,

957
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Speaker 8: when we didn't know exactly what would happen, we were

958
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Speaker 8: both pretty confident that President Trump would do executive what

959
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Speaker 8: he's doing now that the Strait of Hormuz is a

960
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Speaker 8: pressure point on China far more than the United States

961
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Speaker 8: today because of how we've turned around to be American

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Speaker 8: energy dominant. Half of the imports of oil that China

963
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Speaker 8: relies upon comes through the Strait of Horror Moves. They

964
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Speaker 8: are also heavily dependent on those LNG exports out of Cutter.

965
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Speaker 8: So when you see attacks on Saudi, when you see

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Speaker 8: attacks on Cutter coming from Iran, it's the Chinese who

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Speaker 8: are most alarmed right now, and they're making phone calls.

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Speaker 8: They're asking that their tankers continue to move through the

969
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Speaker 8: Strait of horm Moves. They're putting pressure on the regime

970
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Speaker 8: while the regime is under attack and potentially on the

971
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Speaker 8: verge of collapse, to keep the straight open. And so

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Speaker 8: I think the Chinese right now are looking at the

973
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Speaker 8: game board and saying, wow, we're losing both ways.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 9: The regime that's on.

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Speaker 8: The vergi of collapse is threatening our current supplies of energy.

977
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Speaker 8: And if this regime falls, then what happens there's nobody

978
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Speaker 8: who is our ally to threaten the United States. And

979
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Speaker 8: so in a future conflict over Taiwan, if we decide

980
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Speaker 8: that we're not going to allow China their import of energy,

981
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Speaker 8: it's a complete game changer. We now have a massive

982
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Speaker 8: strategic trump card over the Chinese Communist Party. They know

983
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Speaker 8: that you've seen also that Iran as a foothold into

984
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Speaker 8: an entire region. The infrastructure projects that they've been investing

985
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Speaker 8: in hundreds of billions of dollars to pay for the

986
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Speaker 8: illicit oil.

987
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Speaker 9: Will all go up in flames.

988
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Speaker 8: And so they've lost Venezuela as their foothold in the

989
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Speaker 8: Western hemisphere in Latin America. They might now lose Iran

990
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Speaker 8: as their foothold in the Middle East and Central Asia.

991
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Speaker 8: This is a massive, massive setback for China on a

992
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Speaker 8: strategic level.

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Speaker 1: Now not everything is roses rich I was very disturbed

994
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Speaker 1: by the United Kingdom's initial at least seventy two hour

995
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Speaker 1: delay in allowing the United States use Diego, Garcia and

996
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: United Kingdom airfields. Now Spain is separated completely from US.

997
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: First of all, should the United Kingdom be in the

998
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Speaker 1: Five Eyes anymore? In second, they've given anti NATO people.

999
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Speaker 1: These two countries more ammo than any isolationist in America

1000
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Speaker 1: could have hoped to gotten. They've done grave damage to

1001
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Speaker 1: the Atlantic Alliance.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Starmar has been a great disappointment throughout

1003
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Speaker 8: this process and the lead up to operations already threatening

1004
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Speaker 8: the use of a British bases by American forces. There

1005
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Speaker 8: was an initial support for operations that we saw from Canada,

1006
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Speaker 8: from Australia, from the United Kingdom. The Uanik Kingdom has

1007
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Speaker 8: now been attacked. It would appear in Cyprus at its

1008
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Speaker 8: own base by hesbel Up. Potentially. They have apparently allowed

1009
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Speaker 8: us to start using their bases for offensive operations. But

1010
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Speaker 8: the dance that Starmer thinks he has to play domestically,

1011
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 8: he looks so weak as he tries to communicate a

1012
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Speaker 8: Waffley position. Are you for the most radical terror sponsoring

1013
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 8: regime on Earth? Or are you against it? Are you

1014
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 8: with your closest ally or you against it? They have

1015
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Speaker 8: all the intelligence that we would have shared with them.

1016
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Speaker 8: That's why, by the way, we saw Australia and Canada,

1017
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 8: other Five Eye allies come out very quickly and say

1018
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 8: we support this action. What the United States was seeing,

1019
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 8: what the President was seeing on the intel, on missiles,

1020
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 8: on nuclear on the threat of terrorism. Our closest ally

1021
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 8: saw that as well. Great Britain has been a subject

1022
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Speaker 8: to assassination plots on its own soil by the Revolutionary

1023
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 8: Guard Core. And of course, if you can't have your

1024
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 8: closest allies stand with you in a moment like this

1025
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 8: and at least say we support it, you can use

1026
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 8: our bases? My god, what are we supposed to do

1027
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 8: with this? Ally, I will give them some credit. They

1028
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 8: are even if politically they're trying to play to their

1029
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 8: left wing base at home, the truth is is that

1030
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 8: they are allowing us to use the bases they are

1031
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 8: in participating at least in defensive operations. Maybe that will

1032
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 8: change the offensive operations. So there is still value in

1033
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Speaker 8: having the military partnership with Great Britain at this hour.

1034
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 8: But yeah, we would definitely hope for a much bunch

1035
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 8: better Prime minister in London in the future.

1036
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Speaker 1: I'm going to put Spain aside because I want to

1037
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: give you at least two minutes three minutes. You're a

1038
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: sanctions expert, and you're an American defense spending expert. President

1039
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: Trump has told me he wants another half trillion dollars

1040
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: on top of the nine hundred billion that was in

1041
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: this year's budget. What do you think has to happen

1042
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: to American defense spending and of the American sanctions authority

1043
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: at the Department of Treasury, with which you're so familiar,

1044
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: Did they both need to go much stronger?

1045
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 4: Well?

1046
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I mean, in some ways, we obviously know that

1047
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 8: as we look at this conflict, we know that our

1048
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 8: defense industrial base needs to be in a position to

1049
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 8: flex like it did during World War Two. We cannot

1050
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 8: be in a position like we've seen in other sectors,

1051
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 8: by the way, because of regulations, because of procurement regulations,

1052
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 8: because of all kinds of ways, of just the way

1053
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Speaker 8: we've done business for all these decades since the Great War.

1054
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 8: We can't be a position where you can't make munitions

1055
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 8: fast enough. You have to be able to get enough

1056
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 8: munitions of all kinds. You have to have the ability

1057
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 8: to get your interceptors restocked as fast as possible. If

1058
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 8: we need more factories, we need more workers. We need

1059
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 8: to be going twenty four to seven on lines of

1060
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 8: production to have what we need in all theaters. Let's

1061
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 8: do it. Let's not just say, oh, we can't do

1062
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 8: it anymore. We're constrained. We're going to have to choose

1063
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 8: between whether we die from this threat or die from

1064
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 8: that threat. That is not a way to be a

1065
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 8: superpower in the twenty first century. So whatever it takes,

1066
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 8: both on the resources being made available to invest in

1067
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 8: that defense industrial base and then the reforms regulatory wise

1068
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Speaker 8: to make sure we can get things made fast.

1069
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: Rich, let me keep you over for another six minutes

1070
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Speaker 1: if I can. I got to go to a break

1071
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Speaker 1: right now on the sale of new channel and across

1072
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: my radio network. Don't go anywhere Rich Goldberg knows of

1073
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: which he speaks. Follow them on as at Rich Underscore

1074
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Speaker 1: Goldberg and at FDD. I'll be right back. Welcome back

1075
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Speaker 1: to Melica. I'm hu Hue with Rich Goldberg, one of

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Speaker 1: the absolute experts on Iran. Rich, can you give us

1077
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: a best case worst case for the region in a

1078
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: year from now, a best case and a worst case

1079
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: from this war?

1080
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 8: Well, a best case scenario is you've had a peaceful

1081
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 8: transition of.

1082
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 9: Power in Iran.

1083
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 8: They're already on schedule, perhaps already had an election. This

1084
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Speaker 8: is now an ally of the United States, a partner.

1085
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 8: The potential for infrastructure development together.

1086
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 9: Obviously they're oil market that will.

1087
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Speaker 8: Continue to boom in partnership with the United States, not illicitly.

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Speaker 8: The terror proxies being cut off from their source of

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Speaker 8: income and support. That means a rock becomes more stable.

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Speaker 8: The future of a rock becomes more stable. The future

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Speaker 8: of Yemen becomes a question of potential return to stability

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Speaker 8: openings for Saudi and UAE finally defeat the Huthies without

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Speaker 8: the mothership Iran looking after them, and of course Lebanon, Syria, Gaza,

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Speaker 8: the West Bank. All of these areas turn in our

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Speaker 8: favor because the mothership that sponsors them has fallen. Because

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Speaker 8: Israel obviously an opportunity along with the Lebanese government to

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Speaker 8: step up to take on Hesbola and finally dismantle it

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Speaker 8: in Lebanon, the future of Lebanon looks bright. We have

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Speaker 8: a Cyrus Accords between the between Israel and Iran, the

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Speaker 8: Abraham Accords expand Saudi normalizes. I mean, this is the

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Speaker 8: Kumbaya right piece in our time certainly would be the

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Speaker 8: rosiest of pictures. Worst case scenario, obviously, is that on

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Speaker 8: the military objectives of this campaign that were spelled up

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Speaker 8: by the Pentagon. Today, we have achieved success. The missile

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Speaker 8: program of Iran has been destroyed as best we can

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Speaker 8: do so, its drone program, its navy has been destroyed

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Speaker 8: as best we can do so. It has no ability

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Speaker 8: to to move towards nuclear weapons for years to come. Sadly,

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Speaker 8: that still means that the Chinese and the Russians can

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Speaker 8: step in and start helping the Iranian regime rebuild, it

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Speaker 8: would still be there, it would still have their proxies,

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Speaker 8: it would still be a sponsor of terrorism. It would

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Speaker 8: mean that the people were not able to have an uprising,

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Speaker 8: were not able to take their country back, and so

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Speaker 8: we will still stumble along with threats along the way

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Speaker 8: from this regime. We will definitely be in a better

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Speaker 8: position regionally given the strategic threats that have been eliminated,

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Speaker 8: But if that political picture has not come to fruition,

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Speaker 8: we still have an anti American ally of China and

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Speaker 8: Russia sitting there on the Persian Gulf waiting to rebuild.

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Speaker 8: Buys US some time to focus finally on China for

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Speaker 8: a few years, maybe squeeze Russia a little bit more.

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Speaker 8: Puts US in control of the Strait of Horror. Moves

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Speaker 8: without the threat of retaliation or missile threats or drone

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Speaker 8: threats or naval swarms by Iran, but does not get

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Speaker 8: us that reset in what the world looks like and

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Speaker 8: the biggest defeat for the Chinese Communist Party of losing

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Speaker 8: yet another enabler and rich.

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Speaker 1: Last question, the President Trump has made the Golden Dome

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Speaker 1: one of the centerpieces. And I served in the Reagan

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Speaker 1: White House, So Republicans that have been talking about strategy

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Speaker 1: defense initiative for forty five years, how important does this

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Speaker 1: become in the aftermath of watching what we're watching, which

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Speaker 1: is ballistic missile warfare and interceptors.

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Speaker 9: It's super important. I think people should be watching it

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Speaker 9: if you.

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Speaker 8: Didn't tune in last year or the year before to

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Speaker 8: watch what Iran was doing with its medium range ballistic missiles,

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Speaker 8: knowing that they also have intermediate range ballistic missiles that

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Speaker 8: can already reach Europe and seeing the lethality of these

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Speaker 8: missile attacks. Watch the pictures that are coming out of

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Speaker 8: Israel when there is a direct hit that gets through

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Speaker 8: our missile interceptors and kills a number of people, innocent teenagers, kids,

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Speaker 8: old people who are just taking shelter and trying to

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Speaker 8: get through the day even without a nuclear tip on this,

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01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 8: even thought a warhead, this is a weapon that causes

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Speaker 8: mass destruction. And understand what that means if it's an

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Speaker 8: intercontinental ballistic missile, whether that's from Russia, whether that's from China,

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Speaker 8: North Korea, or potentially god forbid, run in the future

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Speaker 8: if we are unsuccessful in this campaign, and then understand

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Speaker 8: what American cities would face.

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Speaker 9: Why we can never allow that to happen.

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Speaker 8: And we have to invest in a system that uses

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Speaker 8: both ground based and space based capabilities to make sure

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Speaker 8: that our enemies never have the opportunity to rain terror

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Speaker 8: on our cities.

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Speaker 9: Like what you see today.

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Speaker 1: Now is at the Kennedy Space Center last week, first

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Speaker 1: time I've ever visited, and it's kind of like Disney Tomorrowland.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to go all in on this

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Speaker 1: in a hurry thirty seconds to your rich I mean

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Speaker 1: not yesterday, not tomorrow, but like today, everything in on

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Speaker 1: Golden dowme.

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Speaker 8: There is nothing more important to our long term national

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Speaker 8: security to be able to say to our enemies, you

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Speaker 8: have no military option to defeat the homeland of the

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Speaker 8: United States. We are in control here. We're going on offense.

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Speaker 8: You can't touch us. If we can achieve space superiority

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Speaker 8: and missile defense superiority through the Golden Dome, every hypersonic missile,

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Speaker 8: every project that our enemies are investing in will be

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Speaker 8: useless and we will be on offense the entire time.

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Speaker 1: Rich Goldberg, always good to talk to you. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking a lot to the extent you're available.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time today because I know your calendar

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Speaker 1: must be jammed. Thank you, Rich Goldberg, and to all

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Speaker 1: the people at the Foundations for the Defense of Democrial Piece,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for all the work get done for decades. Stay tuned, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm you, Hewett. This is the normal segment for normal people.

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Speaker 1: Bethany Mandel, co founder of themom Wars dot substact dot com,

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Speaker 1: co author of Stolen Youth. Bethany The United States State

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Speaker 1: Department just urged Americans to lead about ten countries, including Israel. What,

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Speaker 1: of course, I really can't leave Israel. I got to

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Speaker 1: stay there. They got jobs, they got kids that take care.

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Speaker 1: What are your friends and family telling you in the

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Speaker 1: Jewish State.

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Speaker 10: I mean, the.

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Speaker 11: Ambassador gave a pretty clear indication that if folks wanted

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Speaker 11: to leave, they should leave on Thursday Friday, but no

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Speaker 11: one that I know had any real intention of leaving.

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Speaker 11: Everyone sort of figured they would hunker down and live

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Speaker 11: through this war, just like they lived through the Twelve

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Speaker 11: Day War in October seventh and all of the rest.

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Speaker 11: Israel is a unique country in the region because they

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Speaker 11: actually have the capability to defend their citizens. And you know,

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Speaker 11: Iraqi got through in the drew some suburb of bit

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Speaker 11: Chemish and nine people were killed. But overall, it's a

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Speaker 11: pretty safe place to hunker down during a regional war.

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Speaker 1: What is your feeling generally about where Iran is headed?

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Speaker 1: You read the news as closely as any of us do.

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Speaker 1: Those of us who are not holding a classification have

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Speaker 1: no idea what's going on beyond those of us who

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Speaker 1: read faster than anybody else. What's your sense.

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Speaker 11: So it's not looking good if you're the Mullas. They

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Speaker 11: have lost all air control over Iran, and forty of

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Speaker 11: them were killed instantly, and another half dozen were killed,

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Speaker 11: you know, since the war started on Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: But the.

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Speaker 11: Masad know where they all are, and so it's a

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Speaker 11: different situation than it was in Gaza because the intelligence

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Speaker 11: was not great there because the majority of the residents

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Speaker 11: of Gaza are in cahoots with Hamas or they side

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Speaker 11: with Hamas ideologically. It's not the case in Iran. The

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Speaker 11: vast majority of people in Iran are not supportive of

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Speaker 11: the regime and they're actively working to hinder them by

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Speaker 11: working with Masad. And so the intelligence for the Americans

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Speaker 11: in the Israelis is very good inside of Iran.

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Speaker 1: So, Bethany, I'm not in ISRAELI obviously I'm not Jewish.

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01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: But you study a lot of history and very rarely

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: do figures as significant as baby net Nyahu come across

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Speaker 1: your screen. What do you hear people in Israel and

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Speaker 1: in the Jewish community in America saying about Bibi right now?

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Speaker 1: As as look, anything could go wrong, very very very wrong.

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Speaker 1: Lots more than nine people can get killed in Israel.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think they're thinking about him right now?

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Speaker 1: Because it seems like sometimes a man meets the moment.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So overall, I don't know many people who are

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01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 11: fans of Netsa Nyah who anymore. That being said, in

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Speaker 11: moments like these, I think I think the consensus is

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Speaker 11: more or less no one else would have done this

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Speaker 11: except Netta Yaho.

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Speaker 10: He's very much like Trump in this way.

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Speaker 11: You need someone who just will do what needs to

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Speaker 11: be done, and it doesn't care about the the sort

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Speaker 11: of reaction of the world, reaction of anyone in the country.

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Speaker 10: This is just this is the objective.

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Speaker 11: This is what needs to be done, and I don't

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Speaker 11: care if I'm popular.

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Speaker 10: This is what needs to happen.

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Speaker 11: And no one on planet Earth has been yelling more

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 11: loudly or more frequently about the threat of Iran than

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Speaker 11: the thread of a nuclear Iran than Benjamin Etaniahu. And

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01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 11: so he's meeting the moment, and he has explained to

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01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 11: the world why this moment really should have happened ten

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01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 11: twenty years ago, but better late than ever. And he

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01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,879
Speaker 11: has a president here in the United States who agrees

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Speaker 11: with him that this moment needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: Now a final question, Bethany, I am not surprised. I'm

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Speaker 1: somewhat disappointed that people with tds who have been longtime

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01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: enemies of Iran still can't put their tds down for

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Speaker 1: even a week to say good on Donald Trump. Is

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Speaker 1: that ever going to change.

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Speaker 11: It's really shocking and disappointing to see the progressive reaction

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 11: to this, because there is nothing more antithetical to what

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01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 11: they claim to believe than that Iranian regime. They're throwing

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 11: gay men and women off of rooftops, They're subjugating women

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Speaker 11: and putting them in he jobs and denying them in education.

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Speaker 10: Would think as a.

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Speaker 11: Progressive you would celebrate the death of the eyototally, even

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 11: if you don't love Trump, even if you don't love

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01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 11: our involvement anything. This is a singular moment of hope

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01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 11: and liberty in this part of the world that has

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Speaker 11: been denied it for so long, and I truly don't understand,

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Speaker 11: as a former progressive, how they can not celebrate.

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Speaker 1: And a last question, are you letting your youngsters watch

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01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: this twenty four to seven, because it's not unlike Grenada

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 1: if they were ten years older. There's a turn that

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: came in nineteen eighty three. I was in law school then,

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: but everyone knew it was a turn back from where

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 1: we had gone, and this is a pretty significant turn.

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Speaker 1: Are you watching it with them?

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Speaker 11: I watched it with them, funny enough, on Saturday, when

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Speaker 11: it was the Sabbath, I had a couple of our

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01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 11: kids at a hotel for my family's bar Mitzvah, and

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01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 11: so we were standing in the lobby watching it. Other

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 11: than that, we've been giving them sort of cursory updates.

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Speaker 11: But they were pretty scared when we were in Israel

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 11: that we would sort of live through a siren. And

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01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 11: we were able to disabuse them of the belief that

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 11: the only thing that Israel experiences is war, and so

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Speaker 11: we don't want to redo that.

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Speaker 1: Ah very interesting. I did talk to him Ete Segal

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01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: earlier today. He's got an infant and he said, the

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01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: thing is that everyone in Israel is now sleep deprive

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01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: like those who have infants, because they're going back and

1285
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: forth to the shelters. Have you heard that as well

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Speaker 1: from your friends?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 11: And tonight starts the most fun Jewish holiday Parum, which

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01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 11: is aptly timed God has a sense of humor, the

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Speaker 11: defeat of the Persians who tried to kill the Jews.

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Speaker 11: It's the most fun Jewish holiday. Kids dressed up in costumes,

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01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 11: there's lots of candy involved. Is basically Jewish Halloween, and

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 11: so there's some disappointment that the kids are missing it

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01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 11: in Israel this year. But this is modern day perum

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 11: happening you know, in real time right now in front

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Speaker 11: of their eyes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need what'd be a Mordecai noa a han On?

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Speaker 1: Did I get that right? Yeah? All right? Good? That

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Speaker 1: was That was a save. That was a diving catch.

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Speaker 1: slash Shoe Welcome back to America. I'm here here at

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Speaker 1: time for our yuser report in the middle of a war.

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Speaker 1: No better person to talk to than Selena Zito column

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Speaker 1: this to the world the Washington Post, the Washington Examiner

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Speaker 1: of the Pittsburgh Post is at the New York Post.

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Speaker 1: I'll run out of time in the segment if I

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Speaker 1: tell you from whom she writes. Selena can be followed

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Speaker 1: on ax at Zito Selena. You can follow everything she

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Speaker 1: does at Selenazito dot com. Now, Selena, I was on

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Speaker 1: vacation last week and I spent the weekend trying to

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Speaker 1: follow reaction. What is your sense of public opinion regarding

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Speaker 1: the Iran war.

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Speaker 12: I think that the public and I've gone around and

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Speaker 12: talked to people about it.

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Speaker 13: People are.

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Speaker 12: Understand that Iran has been a threat for most of

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Speaker 12: our lifetimes for a lot of us. For a very

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Speaker 12: long time since the bombings during the Reagan era, there

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Speaker 12: have been many times where there have been a substantial

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Speaker 12: loss of life in the hands of Iran directly or

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Speaker 12: through their other terrorist groups that they sponsor.

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Speaker 13: And so, you know, Americans want to feel safe.

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Speaker 12: They want to know that their treasure, which is their

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Speaker 12: children and their grandchildren, are safe, and they're willing to

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Speaker 12: give the president some of.

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Speaker 13: Leeway here in terms of.

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Speaker 12: Making that decision, understanding why he needed to make that decision.

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Speaker 12: And I think that if this while goes long, that'll

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Speaker 12: be different. But we're two days in and so I

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Speaker 12: think the American public is very patient right now.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 12: If you go on social media, that is a completely

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Speaker 12: different world. But I have long learned that social media

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Speaker 12: is not an arbitra of how the American public feels

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Speaker 12: about something.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. In fact, it's a false flag often, Selena,

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Speaker 1: have you talked to the president since the war began? No,

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Speaker 1: I have not got you on heat dial, And he

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Speaker 1: talked to John Carl Jake. He's doing the beltwait thing

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Speaker 1: instead of talking to the heartland through the Selena Zito column.

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Speaker 1: So I expect your phone will be ringing pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to ask him?

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Speaker 5: What he calls.

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Speaker 12: I'm just going to ask him about the decision making,

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Speaker 12: about why he believes this is the best thing for

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Speaker 12: the country, and give him the opportunity to talk about

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Speaker 12: that in detail.

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Speaker 13: I think that's really important. What were you thinking in

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Speaker 13: terms of the heartland, in terms of our military. What

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Speaker 13: was the thought process that you believed that this was

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Speaker 13: an important thing to do in the moment?

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Speaker 1: Now, Selena, I keep on my desk in the the

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Speaker 1: production studio in California, the patch for JP Blacksmith. JP

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Speaker 1: was killed in the First Battle of Fallujah on November eleventh,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four. United States Naval Academy graduate. I

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Speaker 1: knew his dad. I taught his sister. The cost of

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Speaker 1: war is real. We've already lost American military and civilians

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Speaker 1: in Israel. I expect the President or the Vice President

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Speaker 1: will be at the dignified transfer of remain ceremony at

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Speaker 1: Dovert when they arrived. Do you think the President takes

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Speaker 1: this as hard as to say, W did? Oh?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I absolutely do, and I can tell you why

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Speaker 12: he's still taking it very hard.

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Speaker 13: When CORTICOMBATORI lost his life in Butler.

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Speaker 12: That is something that really hits him hard because he

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Speaker 12: understands that that was someone who was coming to see

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Speaker 12: him and to enjoy the day, and so that weighs

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Speaker 12: on his mind. And I was thinking, you know, it's

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Speaker 12: really I was thinking about in these past couple of days,

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Speaker 12: is this is this has gone on? And I remember

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Speaker 12: what he said to me about there is a reason

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Speaker 12: that I was saved that day. There was a reason

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Speaker 12: that God wanted me to be around to make decisions

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Speaker 12: to be president, and I have to live.

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Speaker 7: Up to that purpose.

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Speaker 12: And the past two days really made me think this

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Speaker 12: may be one of the great reasons.

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Speaker 13: That he was saved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not quite sure the president's theology. I support

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Speaker 1: Israel because the best ally America, and I'm a Zionist

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Speaker 1: because every people deserve their state. But I'm not a

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Speaker 1: quote Christian Zionist believing in end times. But I do

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Speaker 1: think it's providential that Trump and nen Yahoo are in

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Speaker 1: charge right now because they both have a great deal

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Speaker 1: of spine.

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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, and that is you know, a very think

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Speaker 14: about the King Cyrus, right, but think Jews lean into

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Speaker 14: their most robable protector, which would be the cursion King

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Speaker 14: King Cyrus, and yet he is the one that led

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Speaker 14: them to safety, right, kept them from being killed. So

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Speaker 14: there's all kinds of contradictory things with leaders and religion

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Speaker 14: that you sometimes think don't light up or don't don't

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Speaker 14: make sense.

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Speaker 13: But I do think it's really important.

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Speaker 12: But you know, we always talk about history repeating itself

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Speaker 12: or history rhyming. You know what's happening two hundred and

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Speaker 12: fifty years ago today, right, they were getting ready for

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Speaker 12: the siege of Boston Dorchester Heights. Washington had said time.

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Speaker 13: For the bombardment, and he did that fake out where

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Speaker 13: the Brits thought he was going for Boston, but he was.

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Speaker 12: They were actually coming in quietly with Henry Knox and

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Speaker 12: all those cannons that he brought from for tig.

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Speaker 1: You know, taikwon Henry Knox from the Great State of Maine.

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Speaker 1: I do want to pick up on something you said.

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Speaker 1: I remember the chapter in your first book, King Cyrus,

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Speaker 1: Christians and the Great Revolt is Selina's first book or

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Speaker 1: second as butler. Cyrus the Great ruled in Persia five

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years before Christ, So a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: The oldest people that people known relationship state to state

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Speaker 1: is Persia and Israel. It's a little known fact. They

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Speaker 1: are longtime allies. The last forty seven years is an aberration.

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Speaker 1: We got to get back to the cyrus Israel Neemiah

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Speaker 1: Ezra days.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 12: I remember Brad and I did a talk Brad Hadna,

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Speaker 12: my co author.

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Speaker 13: We did a talk on DA drive to a group

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Speaker 13: of Persian Jews.

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Speaker 12: And I was like, I completely forgot that this is

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Speaker 12: what even existed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the diaspora out here, the Iranian diaspora is

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily animated, energetic. I don't see a lot of coverage.

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Speaker 1: There's been a couple little photos of the Persian diaspora.

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Speaker 1: But are they in Pittsburgh. They don't live in Neanserland,

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Speaker 1: right they.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, we have a significant Iranian population.

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Speaker 13: My story will be up tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, you should have gone up to Cleveland. That's

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Speaker 1: where they really go. They're bronze fans. Selena Zito. I

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Speaker 1: will look for the column tomorrow. Follow her on ex

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Speaker 1: everyone at zito Selena and everything that she writes is

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Speaker 1: available at Selenazito dot com. She works for the Posts

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Speaker 1: both Washington and New York. For the Washington Examiner for

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Post Becausette, you name it, she writes for it.

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Speaker 1: Prolific is her middle name. I'll be right back in America.

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