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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the March or Die Podcast. Glad

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Speaker 2: to have you joining me today, and very very excited

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Speaker 2: about the guest and the conversation today. And I'll talk

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Speaker 2: about why here in just a moment, But this is

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Speaker 2: the show where we do our best to provide both

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Speaker 2: principles and perspectives to march when it would be easier

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Speaker 2: to stay where you are and die. And if you

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Speaker 2: listen to this show, you know that when I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about dying, it's not the physical kind. It's that emotional, spiritual, relational.

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Speaker 2: It's really giving up. It's going through the motions, doing

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Speaker 2: the things you're supposed to do, but not making any

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Speaker 2: forward progress. And in a very real sense, that's death.

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Speaker 2: The better decision is to put one foot in front

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Speaker 2: of the other and march. And I hope that you

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Speaker 2: are pulling some of that from this show if you're

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Speaker 2: not subscribed to it. Now, that's all I'm going to say,

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Speaker 2: because I want to jump into this conversation. My guest

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Speaker 2: today is none other than Lieutenant Colonel David Grossman. I

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Speaker 2: think most people probably listening to this podcast would know

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Speaker 2: who Colonel Grossman is, but if not, he is retired

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Speaker 2: Army arranger, professor, author a lot of things. And I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you so, I first came in contact Colonel Grossman

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Speaker 2: with your work in nineteen ninety nine. I was at

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Speaker 2: and one of the books really only one of a

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Speaker 2: as I recall, I may be wrong about this, but

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Speaker 2: as I recall, it was the book that we did

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Speaker 2: around that book was on killing, and that was a

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Speaker 2: book that you wrote, obviously, And man, it's such an

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Speaker 2: honor to be able to talk to you. Your work,

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Speaker 2: your words, I've impacted the way that I look at

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Speaker 2: things and think about things.

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Speaker 1: I know I've helped a.

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Speaker 2: Generation of warriors. So thank you, sir, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Jeremy. And I just love the theme

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Speaker 3: ar should die and uh it's it's been a great ride.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to uh and a big simplify uh,

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Speaker 3: you know it was. It was such a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 3: I've got actually two books now on the Commandants Required

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Speaker 3: Reading List, on killing and on combat. I don't out

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Speaker 3: there and then the parallel to it is on spiritual contact.

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Speaker 3: And uh, and I love the idea of talking about

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Speaker 3: March and I you know, I just had my tombstone

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Speaker 3: humor and Christian hospitality. It's it's just a totally different take.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that, Yeah, before we go too much further.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get anybody too distracted. This is

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Speaker 3: this is my service dog. Here, my ears are shot out.

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Speaker 3: This is Charlie. Hey, Charlie, high five. Say hi to everyone.

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Speaker 2: So if you're not if you're not listening, or if

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Speaker 2: you're not watching, you're just listening.

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Speaker 1: This is why you have to go to the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: That's why you have to watch right. See Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Charlie is uh, he's about ten pounds. He thinks he's

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Speaker 3: a fierce knine, but he's actually maybe a K three

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Speaker 3: All the alarm goes off of the morning unless you

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Speaker 3: talk later on. You know, I actually have praise God

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Speaker 3: the US government trademark for the term sheep dog. Oh well,

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Speaker 3: I introduce that in my book on killing there, and

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Speaker 3: being God's faithful sheep.

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Speaker 1: That's good. That's good.

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Speaker 3: The role that Charlie does for me and and the

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Speaker 3: tie all those pieces together.

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Speaker 1: So let's march yees, sir, let's do it. Well, let's start.

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Speaker 1: Let's start in the beginning. Again.

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Speaker 2: I think most people who are listening to this would

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Speaker 2: know who you are.

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Speaker 1: Some may not.

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Speaker 2: So how does one go from going into the army

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Speaker 2: I guess it's called killology, the field of study. And

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I was seventeen years old and kind

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Speaker 3: But I enlisted in seventy four and we had we

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Speaker 3: the world and be in war. And we wanted to

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Speaker 3: And my first book was on killing. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 3: really the publisher nominated it for a Pulitzer. Not lightly

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Speaker 3: Need a hearing dog to let you know. And the

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Speaker 3: book was on com But I now have sixteen books

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Speaker 3: in print, co authored with Adam Davis on several of them.

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Speaker 3: Dear mutual friend of un had the honored right the

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Speaker 2: You know, there's so much in on killing and the

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Speaker 2: And I think man, how many Christian people are eating

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Speaker 2: you talk about maybe that transition over because there's so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let'm mealy a foundation from my own personal experience.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I just love this title March

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Speaker 3: t and uh and uh. You know, maybe we'll have

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Speaker 3: great man children and I'll be able to do a

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Speaker 3: much better job. We should we should pray for more

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Speaker 3: love and pray for more faith, and and and and

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Speaker 3: Jesus said, you know, they said, a new commandment. I

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Speaker 3: give you, well, wonder a new commandment? What is it

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Speaker 3: to love one another? So I have loved you?

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Speaker 1: It's good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, So so pray for more love. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: go to the source of all love and ask you know,

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Speaker 3: if your job was the planet explosives, go wind in

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Speaker 3: mid lines, plan explosives, what would you do you go

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Speaker 3: to the sp and drug explosives. Our job is it

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Speaker 3: going to the world with love? And and so we

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Speaker 3: go to the source of all love, and we ask

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Speaker 3: for more love, and we ask for more faith every

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Speaker 3: day and then the prayer and fasting is is it cool?

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Speaker 3: So I talked about that in my book on s

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Speaker 3: Grateful Call me a little bit so good.

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Speaker 2: It's for people that haven't fasted or just gone without meals, right, I. I.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you find yourself in these environments. I remember

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Speaker 2: if job's course, so for the Marine Corps of Dropster courses,

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Speaker 2: it's a seven it's a ten week course. Seven others

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Speaker 2: in the field, and you spend you know, extended periods

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Speaker 2: of time and and it's the whole thing's miserable. But

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Speaker 2: no part of it is hard. It's just it's all miserable.

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Speaker 2: Like you can do the not sleeping for three days,

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Speaker 2: you can do the you know, movement for four days,

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Speaker 2: you can do the being in the rain, and you

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Speaker 2: can do all those things. But you put them all together,

461
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Speaker 2: that's when things get really crazy. And then you take

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Speaker 2: food away because that's the only comfort you have. You're like,

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Speaker 2: I can do anything as long as I've got a

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Speaker 2: horrible MRI, I can I can eat. But you know,

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Speaker 2: we did a ten day exercise during that period of

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Speaker 2: time where it was you're basically moving or you know something,

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Speaker 2: you're up the whole time basically basically and uh, and

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Speaker 2: there's no food, and it's it's just that crazy, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think I can do this.

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Speaker 1: No, it's really not that hard.

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Speaker 2: But it connects you to how human you are and

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Speaker 2: how how dependent you are. I think that's the preparation

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Speaker 2: that you're talking about there.

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Speaker 3: Preparing your body ahead of time for facing these challenges.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny, you know. One of the things we're

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Speaker 3: in the middle of is we're in the middle of

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Speaker 3: a global epidemic of sleep deprivation. Now here's the crazy part.

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Speaker 3: It's not hard to go without sleep. Any ten year

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Speaker 3: old girl of slumber party can do it. Try to

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Speaker 3: make that girl go that long without food, right right, right,

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Speaker 3: girls slumber party. She's not a nice person the next day,

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Speaker 3: but she can go a night without sleep. Try to

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Speaker 3: make her go that long without good. So the thing is,

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Speaker 3: if food is is a sleep is a biological blind spot.

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Speaker 3: Our bodies don't know how to make us get enough sleep.

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Speaker 3: And so when we're sleep deprived, we really twenty four

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Speaker 3: hours without sleep. And you are the equivalent of legally

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Speaker 3: drunk point one zero above legally drunk on an alcohol level.

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Speaker 3: And here's the team. When we think about this global

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Speaker 3: epidemic of sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation is a key factor

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Speaker 3: in mental illness. It will flat out make you mentally ill.

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Speaker 3: If you acted drunk all the time the absence of alcohol,

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Speaker 3: we call that mentally ill. On the second day without sleep,

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Speaker 3: you're paranoid, you're aggressive, you're irrational. On the third day

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Speaker 3: without sleep, you're hallucinating. On the third day without sleep,

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Speaker 3: you are seeing things and hearing things that are not there.

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Speaker 3: Any graduate arranger school or series school, we'll tell you

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Speaker 3: about that. And you are psychotic, your schizophrenic on the

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Speaker 3: third day without sleep. So sleep deprivation makes you and

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Speaker 3: your children and your spouse mentally ill. Sleep deprivation is

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Speaker 3: a huge factor in suicide, a global explosion of suicide.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's physically impossible for you to take your life.

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Speaker 3: The drive to self preservation is too powerful. But add alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Alcohol inhibits the drive to self preservation, and alcohol makes

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Speaker 3: suicide possible. Very often we see alcoholis a commoted in suicide,

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Speaker 3: but sleep deprivation works exactly. That's interesting. I had a

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Speaker 3: cop come up you'd earned to break In one of

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Speaker 3: my classes, I talked about how tween age girls ten

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Speaker 3: eleven tweenage girls. Suicide rated tripled in just a decade.

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Speaker 3: And the new factor is this sleep deprivation, the social media,

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Speaker 3: the cell phones, the binge watching shows, the video games.

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Speaker 3: He said, I had one of those, one of those

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Speaker 3: tween age girls. He said. She was a good girl.

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Speaker 3: She was an a student. She said, Dad, it's embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to take my cell phone every night.

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Speaker 3: Family policy, cell phone to charge of good policy, go

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Speaker 3: to bed. Said it's embarrassing, you know, take my phone

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Speaker 3: every night. You can trust me, He said, okay, I

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Speaker 3: trust you, keep your phone, he said, a little while later,

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Speaker 3: she took her life. He said, my little girl took

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Speaker 3: her life. And we never knew the hell she was

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Speaker 3: living in until we looked at the text messages on

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Speaker 3: her cell phone, just night after night of ceaseless, relentless,

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Speaker 3: vicious bullion. And he can't ignore that. We're not wired

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Speaker 3: that way, he said. It was heartrending this year, all

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Speaker 3: that long night at the night, trying to defend herself.

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Speaker 3: He said, they were tag teaming her. They were taking shifts,

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Speaker 3: he said, And I can't ignore that textssagy in the night.

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Speaker 3: How can we expect my little girl through? See? He said,

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Speaker 3: the one thing I could have done was take her

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Speaker 3: phone every night and let her turn off all the

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Speaker 3: bad stuff in this world. So who's going to be

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Speaker 3: your mommy, Who's going to make you get that sleep?

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Speaker 3: The first step to be in a better spouse, a

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Speaker 3: better parrot. Go without food. That's hard. Don't go without sleep.

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Speaker 3: Going without sleep is easy. Going without food is hard.

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Speaker 3: So the thing to understand is we've got to pace

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Speaker 3: ourselves to get enough sleep and periodically go for periods

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Speaker 3: of time without food. Almost inverse of what the world

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Speaker 3: is telling us. The world is always telling us to eat.

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Speaker 3: The world is telling us had never sleep. The head

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Speaker 3: of Netflix said their competitor was sleep. The corporate policy

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Speaker 3: had Netflix to steal your sleep. The video games are

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Speaker 3: designed to steal your sleep, and so sleep deprivation is

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Speaker 3: a key factor in suicide, which has exploded globally. It's

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Speaker 3: a key factor in traffic deaths, which is exploded globally.

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Speaker 3: It's a key factor in chronic pain and thus the

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Speaker 3: opiate epidemic. Most years, opiate kills more people than the

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Speaker 3: entire Vietnam War put together, twenty years of Vietnam. We

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Speaker 3: lose more people than that from Doug overdoses every year

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Speaker 3: because sleep deprivation creates chronic pain, you know why opiates.

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Speaker 3: So when we look at this global sleep deprivation is

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Speaker 3: a key factor in obesity. So when we look at

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Speaker 3: this video game industry, the cell phone industry that wants

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Speaker 3: to sell this to your kindergarten, you know, we've got

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Speaker 3: all these industries that just wants to steal your children's sleep.

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Speaker 3: So we've got to do is protect our sleep. Nowhere

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Speaker 3: in the Bible it tells to go without sleep, but

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Speaker 3: we're told to go without food. We're told that we're

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Speaker 3: supposed to fast, and the world tells us the opposite.

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Speaker 3: The world says, no, you need food, constantly baragingness with

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Speaker 3: food noise and then constantly dry to steal our sleep.

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Speaker 3: And we've got to invert what the world is telling

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Speaker 3: us and lead our family to see if heavens and

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Speaker 3: prepare our mind and body for the challenges that we're

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Speaker 3: going to face. As we get older, it just gets

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Speaker 3: harder on telling you, the body starts breaking down. It

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Speaker 3: just gets harder to keep your patience and keep your

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Speaker 3: love and keep your kindness. But we've got to work

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Speaker 3: on it. That's good, and it starts with that self

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Speaker 3: discipline and of course bringing everything back to the Lord,

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Speaker 3: praying for more love and prayer for more faith.

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Speaker 2: When we look at, you know, the work that Mighty

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Speaker 2: Oaks does, we so often are helping men and women

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Speaker 2: who made, you know, really terrible decisions on the backside

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Speaker 2: of trauma or the backside of you know, whatever they

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Speaker 2: were dealing with. In uniform, they self medicate, they do

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Speaker 2: a lot of things and just go down this spiral.

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Speaker 1: And we could talk a lot about that.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that's fascinating to me and

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Speaker 2: has been over the years, is we're not generally talking

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Speaker 2: about people who were incapable as warriors. If you put

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Speaker 2: those same people in a combat environment, they will perform

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Speaker 2: at levels that you know, most militaries around the world

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Speaker 2: could only hope to get their folks to perform. They'll

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Speaker 2: do things in difficult situations in a self disciplined, very focused,

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Speaker 2: very mission driven way. So they have all of that.

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Speaker 2: So they're extremely high performing people. But they transition out

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Speaker 2: of the military or they are first responders, and outside

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Speaker 2: of uniform, away from work, they don't apply the same

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Speaker 2: disciplines and principles in their life, and so they end up,

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Speaker 2: you know, losing the spiritual battle.

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Speaker 1: Can you can you talk about why that is? Or how?

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Speaker 2: Why why does what happens over here not carry over

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Speaker 2: to you know the rest of life.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Adam Davis and I co othed the bulk Proof Marriage

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Speaker 3: and ninety Day Devotional. It's really fun. It was a

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Speaker 3: Christian Book Award finalist, and Adam gets all the credit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Adam's great, Yeah, we kind of.

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Speaker 3: I did most of this and he did most of this.

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Speaker 3: The follow on book is coming out in just a month,

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Speaker 3: a duo called Boterproof Family. It's going to be a

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Speaker 3: big deal because the Christian Bookwork finalist has got like

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Speaker 3: seven eight hundred and five star reviews on Amazon. It's

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Speaker 3: really useful to go and look. And we talk about

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Speaker 3: in the book about look.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Your job is going to go away and your spouse

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Speaker 3: is still going to be there. You know, you and

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Speaker 3: your spouse are one team in one fight. You don't

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Speaker 3: score points off of each other. And it's hard. I mean,

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Speaker 3: here we are, you know, I'll be I'll be seventy

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Speaker 3: this summer. My wife has got health issues and I

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Speaker 3: fall short. But we keep trying, you know, and you

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Speaker 3: got to remember that after the military. I've been out

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Speaker 3: of the army for twenty seven years now, but my

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Speaker 3: spouse is still there. So where's your first investment? Where's

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Speaker 3: your first you know, while we're doing our military job.

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Speaker 3: It's fine, but keep track. I really recommend the boteproof

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Speaker 3: Marriage and then Adam's you know, the follow on again.

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Speaker 3: Adam gets all the credit Bulletproof Family as a guide

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Speaker 3: book to help us get our priorities straight and understand

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Speaker 3: what's really important and understand that in the end the

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Speaker 3: Lord and praying together. One of the most important things

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Speaker 3: that my wife of fifty years and I do is

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Speaker 3: we hold hands every night. We pray for each that's good.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things we pray for is more

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Speaker 3: faith and more love. And we review the things every day.

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Speaker 3: What do we have to be grateful for? You are

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Speaker 3: the things we have to thank God for today? And

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Speaker 3: we still committed to have gratitude and just review the

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Speaker 3: things today that went well and the things we can

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Speaker 3: take take pleasure for. And so I think you've got

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Speaker 3: to recognize what's really important is God and family and country.

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Speaker 3: That's good really that yeah, in that order. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And so we dedicate ourselves to our country. But when

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Speaker 3: the time comes, we've got to find that balance. And

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Speaker 3: you were on a combat mission for twenty five years,

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Speaker 3: but now you're home and it's time to stay focused

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Speaker 3: on what's really important. That's good and I can't emphasize it.

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Speaker 3: Not this self discipline and the prayer and to pray

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Speaker 3: for more loved when all else fails. This Lord, give

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Speaker 3: me more love, give me more faith. Take a deep breath,

645
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, bite back those words and drive on together

646
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: and try to keep it straight. And your children. You know,

647
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: you may divorce your spouse, but you can't divorce your children, right.

648
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: They may want to divorce you, but you can't.

649
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: And so you know, just try to keep those priorities

650
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: right and try to be a better person faster, And

651
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: you know, it comes back to self discipline. I wish

652
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: somebody had told me, you know, as a young sergeant,

653
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, and as a young officer, I

654
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: thought officers you know, shouted and kicked in formed. Yeah,

655
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: And I realized nobody respects your temper. Cantrip right, They

656
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: respect your came right because the military leader, you know,

657
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: the model for us should be the quiet professional and

658
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: at work we're the quiet professional. We don't lose it,

659
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: and we go home and we lose it. You know,

660
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: I think I made an Air Force guy. You had

661
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: me come in andto a presentation that made him really mad,

662
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, I'm you know, well was

663
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: a team cover in the cockpit. But you know, I

664
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: go home, I lose it with the family. You know,

665
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 3: I wait a minute, wait.

666
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a problem.

667
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: If you can, if you can, if you could be

668
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: calm at work, is it really that much harder to

669
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: be calm at home? Right and apply those same skills.

670
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: Just nobody told you that being the quiet professional at

671
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: work and the quiet professional at home, it's the same thing.

672
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: That's good.

673
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: Praying for more love and praying for more faith is

674
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: a critical piece of the equation. And we fall short here.

675
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: I am married for fifty years. I still fall short.

676
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: But we pick up the pieces and we pray for

677
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: each other. We do a better job the next day,

678
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: and that's good.

679
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: That's good man. There's a lot there. But you know,

680
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: let's talk about the sheep dog. You talked about that

681
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: at the opening, and I think this is where so

682
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: many many men and women who have served in uniform

683
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: find purpose and meaning and value because you know, a

684
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: lot of folks go into the military or into law

685
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: enforcement or whatever because they have that, they have that

686
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 2: desire to be the sheep dog, and then they miss

687
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: it when they transition out and if they can find

688
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: it again, can you just talk about you know, you

689
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: said you have the copyright on that, So what what

690
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 2: was the thought there or what what did you mean

691
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: by that? And how can we pursue that on the

692
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: other side of service.

693
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: You know, it's a Vietnam veteran who told me. You know,

694
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 3: he said, he said, there's just one line from him.

695
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 3: He said, I'm the sheep dog. I protect the plot

696
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: and I've picked up without it. I've run with that

697
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: ever since, you know, and we have this mission to

698
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: protect and God's given that to us. You know, we

699
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 3: we opened this before we started. I believe everything should

700
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: be bookended in prayer. Before you and I started, we

701
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: started with per We talked about praying with the d

702
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: up in your eyes open. You know, nothing in the

703
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: Bible that says you're supposed to bow your head and

704
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: close your right that wile business is really kind of

705
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: a you know, kind of a Billy Graham twentieth century crusade.

706
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: You know, bow your head and close your eyes and

707
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: the privacy of your art ragio. That's a good technique.

708
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: But nothing you know then Jesus, you know he looked up,

709
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: he said, he looked up to God. God's up there,

710
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 3: not down here. And so we do sheep dog House

711
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: of Worship security seminars, and we tell everybody, well, well,

712
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: the flock has their head bout in prayer. You're the

713
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: sheep dog. Your head up, you have authority, We give

714
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: you permission, have you head up and be alert and

715
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: to be protecting. And that's that spirit. We encourage that

716
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: sheep dog spirit. If you feel lead, you know that

717
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: there's the there's the sheep and the wolf, and the

718
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: wolf will feet and the sheep. Then there's the sheep

719
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: dog that protects the flock. But the sheep and the

720
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: sheep dog. There are no ultimate sheep, no ultimate sheep dog.

721
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: It's just a continuum in between everybody somewhere on that scale.

722
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: When we encourage people to come further up that scale,

723
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, martial arts carry a gun. If you lead

724
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: that way and you train, you know, pepper spray, have

725
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 3: your children be sheep dogs. You don't get pepper spray,

726
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: martial arts, firearms training, uh and and and and have

727
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: those skills and and and have them dedicated totally to

728
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: protecting the innocent, the sheep. And so if we seek

729
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 3: that profession, that continues to push that envelope. But it's

730
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: you don't have to be a cop. You don't have

731
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: to be in the military, you don't have to be

732
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: a first responder. To be a sheep dog, be dedicated

733
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: to protecting you have your head up all everybody has

734
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: their head down. And you know I talked about that

735
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: Charlie here. You know, he thinks he's a your skill.

736
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: He's actually maybe maybe a k for you, educate you

737
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: turn them upside down. He's this gunk, he's got this

738
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: white street down there. But Charlie doesn't understand what we're

739
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: saying right now. Charlie doesn't understand the majority of what

740
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: I'm doing. You know, his job is to wake me

741
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: up in the morning, alarm goes off, he gets in

742
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: my face. He doesn't believe in the in the in

743
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: this news button. This news button is part of the devil.

744
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: As far as Charlie is concerned, there is no mercy.

745
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Get up.

746
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: It's time to start the day, and I put my

747
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: hearing age in. I'm ready to go start the day,

748
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: you know. But without Charlie, you know, I feel a

749
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: little bit harder to start every day. Well, the thing

750
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: of it is, he doesn't understand most of what I do.

751
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: And that's not how much we understand God. Now, when

752
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: we get there, we will understand things that we cannot

753
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: comprehend right now. But I like the idea of being

754
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: God's faithful sheep dog. Now, Charlie's just a silly dog.

755
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: He runs off and does silly things. He barks, and

756
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: but you know, I see every every stupid thing that

757
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 3: Charlie does, and I still love him and appreciate him.

758
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 3: And God sees every stupid thing that we do, and

759
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: he still loves us, and he forgets us to understand.

760
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: All he asks is for us to love him and

761
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: obey him to the beath that our little dog the ability. Well,

762
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: I just want to be God's faithful sheep dog. And

763
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: rested the feet of the Great Shepherd one day and

764
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: hear those words, well done, they're good and faithful service.

765
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: And we talked about that, and on spiritual combat and

766
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: on spiritual warfare, which is advanced training. Right. We took

767
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: out Will Rogers, kind of a wise guy in the

768
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: mid twentieth century, and Will Rogers said, if you get

769
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: to think, and you're a man of some importance, tried

770
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: telling another man's dog what to do. If you ever

771
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 3: did that, the doggi look at you and the dog

772
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: of talk is what he'd say. So I don't know much.

773
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: I'm just a dog. I know this. I'm not your dog.

774
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: And so here's the thing. When we're God's dog, the

775
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 3: evil one comes to you and look in the eye,

776
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: you tell him I'm not your dog. I know who

777
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: my master is. I love your dog. And there's power

778
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: in that that we know that we're safe and we'll

779
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 3: rest at the feet of the great shepherd one day.

780
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: And so take the sheep dog out of one step

781
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: further to be in God's faithful sheep dog. If we

782
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: fall short, he still loves us. He forgives us, He

783
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: gives us infinite second chances. His love for us is

784
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: so much greater than my love for Charlie that it's

785
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: hard to even comprehend is forgiveness for us. It's so

786
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: much greater than my forgiveness for Charlie. It's hard to

787
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: even comprehend. I understand, sir, and so there's great power

788
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: in that relationship.

789
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: How do we how do we live that sheep dog life?

790
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: And I understand it in the context of you know,

791
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: the security ministry at a church or you know someone

792
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: who does carry a gun or whatever, and I think,

793
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: if we're not careful, that can be the perspective we

794
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 2: kind of overlay. Yeah, But what I hear you saying

795
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 2: is that as a Christian in this society, in this culture,

796
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: in this world, that's crazy. We have a responsibility placed

797
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: on us by God to be that sheep dog. What

798
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: does that look like outside of you know, the gunfighters

799
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: and the trained warriors, what does that look like?

800
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: The ultimate weapon in spiritual combat is prayer. You and

801
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: I were infantry soldiers out in the battlefield. All we

802
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: got is what we carry on our back, and that

803
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: ain't much. Well, we get on the radio and we

804
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 3: call METABAC that's good, and we call artillery, we call

805
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: on air strings, we get in the radio and we

806
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: call resupply, and we maneuver our elements, and we call

807
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: for assistance from high We got to realize that the

808
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: ultimate weapon that we carry, you know, when we go

809
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: through Ephesians chapter six. You know that we talk about

810
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: the feat shod with the readiness of the Gospel of truth.

811
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: You know, we get the belt of truth right up front,

812
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: and then the desire to share the truth, and then

813
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: the breastclative righteous. The shield of faith is sort of

814
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: the spirit. But the final piece of equipment is the radio.

815
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: Pray ceaselessly in the spirit. They didn't even have a

816
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: radio at the time. But the final piece of equipment

817
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: the most powerful weapon that we bear. And so to

818
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 3: be a Christian sheep dog is always turned to prayer.

819
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: And you know, I was working with Carl Chin, who's

820
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: who just said the really one of the great leaders

821
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: of UH of church safety in America, and he's got

822
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: a great organization. And he talked about, you know, you

823
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: should have somebody on every church security team whose job

824
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: it is to put their back to the wall and

825
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 3: start praying.

826
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Mmm.

827
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: Put them back to the wall and start praying with

828
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: their eyes open and being alert and ready to get

829
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: out of there. I'm ready to die then, but somebody

830
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: whose job it is And and Carl said, you know,

831
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: we have our guys on the team that their aim

832
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: is not true anymore and their hands are shapy. I

833
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: tell you it's time for them to move up to

834
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 3: the next level. And their job in the next level

835
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: is to get on the radio. And you know, your

836
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 3: job is at lieutenant is not to be your job

837
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: is to get on the radio. That's the highest, that's

838
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: the highest responsibility does to get on their radio and

839
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: start calling for help, calling that met it back and

840
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: calling that airstrike and call it artillery of mortars and

841
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: maneuver units. And so I just tell you that the

842
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: Christian sheep dog ought to be first and foremost to prayer, warrior,

843
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: ready to turn constantly. And it's a drill. You know,

844
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: when you're in the middle of combat, then there's not

845
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: easy to remember to go to the radio. You want

846
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: to shoot, you want to be in the fight. That's

847
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: not your job. If you're shooting something wrong, you should

848
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: be on that radio. You should be making elements. You

849
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: should be observing what's happening. And so I tell you,

850
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: as Christian sheep dogs, we should be known first and

851
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: foremost for our prayer life. And we should be holding

852
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: our spouse's hand every night or you know, hey, you

853
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: my book on combat was received was transcend. The Ukrainian

854
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: received a Ukraine Book of the Year award. So in

855
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: the summer at twenty four they brought me out to

856
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: Ukraine and I was praying to the Ukrainian troops, you know,

857
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: and say it was cool, But my wife was at

858
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: home and we were holding each other up in prayer

859
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Speaker 3: every night together. You know, we were completely separated, but

860
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Speaker 3: we were still praying for each other, you know, and

861
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: continue in our prayer ministry even when we couldn't get

862
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Speaker 3: in common with each other. And knowing that she was

863
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Speaker 3: holding me up in prayer and vice versus is part

864
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Speaker 3: of the equation. So I just tell you I cannot

865
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Speaker 3: emphasize enough that had the power of prayer and praying

866
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Speaker 3: for more faith and praying for more love is what

867
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Speaker 3: we should be known for. Why, you know, and we

868
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Speaker 3: talked about our mission is to love John three sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Greater love is known than this that they laid on

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Speaker 3: their life for their friends. But there are many ways

871
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Speaker 3: to lay down your life, and I've got this on

872
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Speaker 3: the back of my tombstone. Sometimes the greatest love is

873
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Speaker 3: not to sacrifice your life, but to live a life

874
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Speaker 3: of sacrifice. And that's our mission, is to live a

875
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Speaker 3: life of sacrifice as Christian sheepdogs and to hold it

876
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Speaker 3: up and prayer constantly and to dedicate ourselves to the

877
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Speaker 3: wellness of others. So that's fun such a good model,

878
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Speaker 3: and I would give you that lifelong endeavor to serve And.

879
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Speaker 1: That's so good.

880
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Speaker 2: It's funny, you know, you talk about leveling up to

881
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Speaker 2: the next level of being the one who stands against

882
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Speaker 2: the wall and prays, And it's funny because I think

883
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Speaker 2: we tend to look at that as the step down.

884
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Speaker 1: Well, you can't do the you.

885
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Speaker 2: Know, the confrontation stuff anymore, be the guy with the

886
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Speaker 2: gun anymore, and so we're gonna have to downgrade you

887
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Speaker 2: to the one who's just praying.

888
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Speaker 1: And it really is a step up.

889
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Speaker 2: And if and if you don't believe it, then ask

890
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Speaker 2: the guy with the gun whether he'd rather be carrying

891
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Speaker 2: the gun or standing with his back against the wall praying.

892
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Speaker 2: And I guaranteed rather be the guy with the gun, right,

893
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 2: because it's so much harder to step into the presence

894
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Speaker 2: of God and pray on the behalf of other people.

895
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Speaker 2: And so what a great image that is. The next level. Yeah,

896
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: that's right, and it's hard, and it's hard to to to.

897
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Speaker 3: To accept that response as ryty. It's easy to just

898
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: just turned your hands, turn to your fist, turn to

899
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Speaker 3: your gun. Yes, when the first thing we should do

900
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: is turn to the Lord. And that's good and and

901
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: and and that's the ultimate ultimate weapon, and it's so

902
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Speaker 3: good in our spiritual warfare.

903
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you to close us in prayer in

904
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Speaker 2: a minute, but before that, can you tell people where

905
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Speaker 2: to find your books and you.

906
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Speaker 1: Know, whatever else you'd like to point them to.

907
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Speaker 3: Sure, it's a Grossman ontruth dot com. It's w w

908
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Speaker 3: W dot Grossman on truth. You know the tooth on combat,

909
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: the tooth uh on on spiritual combat. You know the

910
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: grossmand on truth dot com. We got books. You can

911
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: get them on Amazon and anywhere you want. And uh

912
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: that I'm on social media. We're making some really good

913
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Speaker 3: posts on social media, some important things that we're touching,

914
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Speaker 3: some lives and uh, Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman on on

915
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Speaker 3: LinkedIn or on on on Facebook and uh and hopefully

916
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Speaker 3: there's some things out that will bless you and and

917
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Speaker 3: some some instruments that allow you know, the neat thing

918
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Speaker 3: about having a book as you can talk to somebody

919
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Speaker 3: for an hour, for a day, but you walk away,

920
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Speaker 3: you leave them.

921
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Speaker 1: With the well, that's right.

922
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Speaker 3: Then you've got such a deeper contribution that you can make.

923
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Speaker 1: That's good.

924
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Speaker 3: And that's that's the goal, you know, is to make

925
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Speaker 3: that deeper level of contribution. And hopefully somebody listening today

926
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Speaker 3: can roll into it. You know. I'll tell you a

927
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Speaker 3: quick story about the bulletproof marriage. Of course, Adam gets

928
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Speaker 3: all the credit on this and the but I was

929
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Speaker 3: training a unit. Old first sergeant came up to me,

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Speaker 3: and I'm an old buck sardant and Lieutenant Colonel first

931
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Speaker 3: Art's still kind of a scary guy, you know. First

932
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Speaker 3: Sartain comes up and he throws a copy of this

933
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Speaker 3: book down on the table in front of me, and

934
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Speaker 3: he said, sir, I hold you personally responsible all the

935
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Speaker 3: arguments my wife and I have. Now, now I go

936
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Speaker 3: to Amazon. I'll buy them five at a time. I'll

937
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Speaker 3: give one married bless the old topic change. But that's

938
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Speaker 3: that's what it's all about. Being able to that next

939
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Speaker 3: step and to bless the family with a bulletproof family,

940
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Speaker 3: bulletproof marriage, and to be able to fight the good fight.

941
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Speaker 3: And uh and they have those tools and and thank

942
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Speaker 3: you for asking about our our our website. Oh yes,

943
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Speaker 3: the resources and that maybe dig in a little bit.

944
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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, We've been a great blessing to me and

945
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Speaker 2: I know that you will certainly for anyone who picks

946
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Speaker 2: those up. It's funny, you know, I've read obviously.

947
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Speaker 1: A lot of books and and and.

948
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Speaker 2: Some impact you in one way or another on killing

949
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Speaker 2: had an impact on me at a moment in time

950
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Speaker 2: that was very unique in my life, and it really

951
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Speaker 2: changed my perspective on a lot of things, not just

952
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Speaker 2: military and not just the psychology of killing, but man,

953
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Speaker 2: how to talk to people, how to think about training,

954
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Speaker 2: how to think about leading people, and and and that

955
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Speaker 2: was at the beginning of a journey I've been on

956
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Speaker 2: for a long time. And so thank you for that

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Speaker 2: and the other books you've you've really produced out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks. It truly is iron sharpens iron. Everything

959
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Speaker 3: I have I have because those have been there shared.

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Speaker 1: It with me.

961
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Speaker 3: It's awesome and and now we give it back. Yes,

962
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Speaker 3: it's constantly iron sharpens iron. It's awesome. So thank you and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you. Would you pray for us as

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Speaker 2: we close, please.

965
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Speaker 3: We talked about when we began just book ending everything

966
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Speaker 3: in prayer. I'll start it in prayer, in it in prayer.

967
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Speaker 3: And so let's says, go to the Lord in prayer,

968
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Speaker 3: and everybody out there pray you hit up your eyes,

969
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Speaker 3: open it and Dear Lord, thank you for the blessing

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Speaker 3: of gathering in a free nation. Thank you for the

971
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Speaker 3: blessing of gathering fellow sheep dogs and exchanging wisdom. Thank

972
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Speaker 3: you for iron sharp AND's iron. We ask Lord that

973
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Speaker 3: you will just bless our families, bless our endeavors, bless

974
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Speaker 3: our nation. Keep your hand upon us. We pray the

975
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Speaker 3: mighty Name of Jesus over us, and we pray Lord

976
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Speaker 3: for more faith. I believe Lord, help my own belief.

977
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Speaker 3: And we pray Lord for more love. Teach us to

978
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Speaker 3: be more patient and kind and gentle sheep dogs. Teach

979
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Speaker 3: us to be more patient and kind and gentle spouses,

980
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Speaker 3: to be better parents, to be better grandparents, and to

981
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Speaker 3: be better people. Every day. Give us more love, give

982
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Speaker 3: us more faith. Bless our nation, bless our endeavors, and

983
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Speaker 3: Jeremy God, bless you, and God bless America and Jesus name.

984
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Speaker 2: We pray, Amen, Amen, thank you, Sir, so grateful for

985
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Speaker 2: you for those that are listening if you haven't subscribed

986
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Speaker 2: to that right now, and we'll send more stuff your way.

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Speaker 2: But I really appreciate you, and we'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: next time.