1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to the. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Aeron Mullan Show. Wherever you are around the world, we 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: really really appreciate you chinning in. We value your company. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for choosing to spend some of 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: your well, it's always precious, isn't it time, but thank 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: you for spending some of it here with us. I'm 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: clearly not in my studio back in Sydney. I'm traveling 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: at the moment in the US in LA right now. 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: Head to Florida over the next couple of days for 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: a couple of key meetings and key events, one private 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: meeting with someone who is well a very big player 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: in what is going on right now, particularly in Iran. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: So I can't wait to bring you more on that 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: when it's appropriate. I've got a couple of incredible guests 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: for you. Gazelle Chamad, daughter of Jimmy Shammad, the incredible 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Iranian freedom fighter, the journalist to the regime, absolutely tortured, kidnapped, murdered, evil. 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: She's on the streets in LA now protesting, begging the 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: Trump administration to come in and help. She says, it's 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: not intervention and it's not the people are doing this 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: on their own. 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: They're so brave, they're so courageous. 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: But as she says, and I'll bring you this conversation 24 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: very shortly, she's out there in the midst of the 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: protest when we talk, this could be six hours, it. 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: Could be six days, it could be six months. 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: The longer it goes on, the more people will lose 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: their lives unnecessarily. So they are calling on Trump to 29 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: address the people in Iran directly, and I have no 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: doubt that he will. Reports have just come out recently 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: over the last couple of hours or so saying that 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: Trump has determined he will do something, And we don't 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: know what that is yet, whether or not that is 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: direct strikes on leaders in the regime. Will it be 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: military assets, we don't know. Will it be communication assistance, 36 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: We'll have to wait and see. I think Tuesday will 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: be a big day in terms of meeting and strategy 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to the situation in Iran. But this 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: is good news, This is very good news. My next 40 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: guest is a man called Casey bab. He is a 41 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: national security expert based in Canada. We talk about Iran 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: and then we kind of pivot to talking about something 43 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: he'd put out on social media last week that was 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: a little bit controversial. 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: He was talking about the fact. 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: That in Canada, and look, this is relevant everywhere, he 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: feels like the other Jews that maybe are less active 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: need to do more. He's calling on the Jewish community 49 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: globally to do more. Now, people do things in a 50 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: million different ways. I get that you may not have 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: a platform to get out there and use your voice 52 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: and debate and fly the flag or go to protests. 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: But the way he explains it is there are things 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: you can do that are not necessarily easy, but they're 55 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: small and they may make all the world of difference. 56 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: And I talk about this when I talk about the 57 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: fight for humanity, when I talk about fighting to protect westernsviation, 58 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: when I look at Australia as an example, and I say, look, 59 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: the silent majority maybe could have stayed silent, and there 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: were enough of us fighting for what mattered five years ago. 61 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: Now we've passed the point. 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: We need every single voice, We need every single foot 63 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: soldier in this fight, otherwise we are screwed. This is existential. 64 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: That's not an exaggeration, that's not fear mongering. It's existential. 65 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: But look either way, let me know what you think. 66 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: He's going to put forward his case and you may say, no, 67 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: I disagree. And I love you guys because you always 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: tell me what you think, and the vast majority of 69 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: it is very positive. So I love you even more 70 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: for that, even though I am battle hardened in this 71 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: space than I can definitely take when things are not 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: overly flattering. For the most part, I want to give 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: you a little bit of an update. This is coming 74 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: straight out of Rezer Polavi's camp. Past forty eight hours 75 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: have seen significant escalation in Iran's National Uprising protest events 76 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: and now been reported in all thirty one of Iran's provinces. 77 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: Protest related deaths since December twenty eight have skyrocketed to 78 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: at least five hundred and thirty eight, and that is 79 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: up from the sixty two confirmed just two days ago. 80 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: And they're saying over ten thousand people have been arrested. 81 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: It's getting really, really dire on the ground. As I 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: said to Gazelle earlier, we cannot let these deaths be 83 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: in vain. This is as close to a revolution as 84 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: we've seen in a generation, in two generations, so we 85 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: have to keep being the voice of the people in 86 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: a run who cannot be their own voice. Internet is 87 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: cut out. The regime is killing them off like animals. 88 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: They are arresting them. That's all they have. If they 89 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: can keep them silent, and they can keep the rest 90 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: of the world disengaged, they will win. We cannot let 91 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: this evil regime win. And the best person to reiterate 92 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: those words and back that up is a woman, Gazelle. 93 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: I just told you about her. Her father was killed 94 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: by this regime. She is the embodiment of power, courage, truth, 95 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: She is a hero. She's on the streets of LA 96 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: right now, protesting, trying to be the voice of her 97 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: people here in America. And I want to bring you 98 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: our conversation right now. 99 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: Gazelle. It is so great to talk to you. 100 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: I haven't spoken to you since this latest uprising. 101 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: I want to know, first of all, how do you feel. 102 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: You always ask the highest questions first, right, I have 103 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: no idea. I haven't slept in days, I haven't eaten 104 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 3: in days. What's going on inside of Iran is the 105 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: moment that we've been fighting for for so long, and 106 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: now we are right now in La. Actually, you can 107 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: see the protests. I don't know if you can see 108 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: the masses, but it's like a big, big train for 109 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 3: hours going here in the streets, really really big right now. 110 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: So the momentum is there. 111 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: What do you think needs to happen to make sure 112 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: that the lives already lost and we've seen hundreds of 113 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: dead bodies are not in vain. 114 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: The most important thing, and that has the least amount 115 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: of effort that can happen within a second, is the 116 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: President of the United States, is the leader of the 117 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: free world, speaking directly from the White House to the 118 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: Iranian people. That alone, it doesn't need congressional approval, It 119 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: doesn't need anything, We don't need boots on the ground. 120 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: Just speaking directly to the Iranian people will turn this 121 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: momentum into something that history will never forget. We saw 122 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: what happened when he just tweeted. The media couldn't ignore it. 123 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 3: The media had to finally come and ask the question. 124 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 4: So that was just a tweet. 125 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: You saw how many people came to the streets, How 126 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: the people of Iran are chanting his name. They are 127 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 3: right now in the streets being butchered. They need international support. 128 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: So that's the minimum, the minimum that can happen right 129 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: now is a president speaking directly to the Iranian people, 130 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: and that will turn all of the domino dominos that 131 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: we need to happen for the liberation of Iran. 132 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: Is this the closest wave been to freedom for around 133 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: in your lifetime. 134 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, And this is actually hard for us to 135 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: admit because this occupation of Iran by the Ayatola regime. 136 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: We have to say it one more time. This is 137 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: not a government of Iran. There was no elections. These 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: are not Iranian people. They are not ethnic Iranians. They 139 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: don't have the same ideology or anything that is Iranian. 140 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: They're anti Iranian. This is an occupation by Islamic Ayatollah 141 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: forces of Iran. Is almost half a century now, so 142 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: people for half a century have been in the streets, 143 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: have been butchered, have been saying the same thing. But 144 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: now we're being hurt. We're being hurt by you Aron 145 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: in Australia. We're being hurt by our Israeli friends in 146 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: the Middle East. We're being hurt in America, in Europe, 147 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: all over the globe. They can no longer ignore us. 148 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: We're here. 149 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: The people of Iran will reclaim their freedom, whether we 150 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: help them or not, but if we help them, they 151 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: would be less butchering. It's all about time and saving lives, 152 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: and that's important to us. I know that Jihadis don't 153 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: care our last week, care about each and every one 154 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: of them that are in the forefront right now, fighting 155 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: against guns and bullets, fighting against military equipment. So yes, 156 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: the Iranian people will continue even if we're not hearing them, 157 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: even if we don't do anything, they will reclaim their contage. 158 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: But they can do it in six days or six 159 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: months or six years, So that's up to the international 160 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: community to decide. 161 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: Reza Pahlavi is ready willing able to go in is 162 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: he the right man to transition? 163 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 3: I think the question is answered by reotity right now. 164 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: Last year in Munich, he formed and declared officially that 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: he is taking the leadership of the transitional government, bringing 166 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: together the biggest coalition of opposition forces in our history 167 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: in Munich. Since then, we've seen people coming together from 168 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: all factions inside of Iran and outside of Iran. The 169 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: streets of Iran are filled with people screaming his name. 170 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: So it's not anymore up to debate who could lead 171 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: well their leaders. It's already doing this. The ground inside 172 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: of Iran has made their decision. They want a transitional leader. 173 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: Rizapalavi is the person to do it. He has the 174 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: entire opposition behind him. So now is the time for 175 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: Western governments to make the step forward and speak to 176 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: the transitional leadership of Iran. In exa, they cannot speak 177 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: to the people of Iran and go to Iran right now, 178 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: but Iran has a transitional leadership outside that we can 179 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: speak to, and that has to happen right now. 180 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: Last question, because I know you want to get out 181 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: there and continue to do what you do best, which 182 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: is fight for your people. Your father, Jimmy died for 183 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: this cause, for your country, for the people on the 184 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: streets in Iran. 185 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: Right now, what would he be thinking looking down? 186 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 3: I think he, together with all of our angels, is 187 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: leading the revolution from the heavens and having the storm 188 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: from the above and to turning history towards our side. 189 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 3: It is one more time I'm saluting every soldier, every person, 190 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: every father who has brought us here. This did not 191 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: happen overnight. This is the work of our fathers, of 192 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: our uncles, of our mothers, of our children, every single 193 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: person that has worked so hard for years to this moment. 194 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: This is dedicated to you. This is because of you. 195 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: We need to continue this to make sure that their lives, 196 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 3: their sacrifice is not wasted and on another ten years 197 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 3: or whatever of Islamic occupation. So now is the moment. Everybody. 198 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 3: We're calling of our allies all around the world. Wherever 199 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: you are, you have a responsibility too. What you can 200 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: do is what the people of Iran are asking. They're 201 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: asking for support. This is not foreign intervention. This is 202 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: not somebody bringing democracy to a country or something. The 203 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: people of Iran are liberating themselves and reclaiming their country. 204 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: Their calling of an international community to stand with them. 205 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: That is the duty of every free nation out there. 206 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: So you have a responsibility to talk to your leadership 207 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: in Australia, in Europe, in Canada, in America. We're here 208 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 3: right now calling on President Trump. Do you hear the 209 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 3: voices of the Iranian people. They're liberating themselves and they 210 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 3: need your support. 211 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: You are phenomenal. Get back out there and fight. I 212 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: love you, I'm with you. 213 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: Go girl, Thank you for everything you're doing. 214 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: Erin she is honestly, I mean accolades, awards, none of 215 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: that matters in this space, but she deserves every single 216 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: one of them. She can go out and do that, 217 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: and the people in Iran can go do what they're doing. 218 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Then we can all do whatever the hell we can 219 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: to support and help. And again I feel like a 220 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: broken record. This matters to all of us in the world. 221 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: Western civilization directly correlates our ability to be successful, to 222 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: have peace, to give our children a world that is free, 223 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: that is democratic. There is a direct link to what 224 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: the Uranium regime does that will stop us from being 225 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: able to do all of that. The fall of this evil, 226 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: illegal regime will benefit every single one of us. A 227 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: knowledge to introduce Casey bab national security expert based in Canada. 228 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: Patriot loves everything that we love, fights for everything we 229 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: fight for, has incredible insights. So let's start by talking 230 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: about the situation in Iran and then moving to a 231 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: broader topic of how much is enough and how do 232 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: we get more people involved and engaged in this fight? 233 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: And how can you fight if you don't want to 234 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: be a public face. And I get that it's scary. 235 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: You've risked your life when you put your face out there, 236 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: particularly in this space, but there are other things you 237 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: can do to help. Casey bab as always welcome to 238 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: the Aaron Mullins Show and so great to have your company. 239 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me back. 240 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: I want to. 241 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: Start by asking you about the situation in Iran, which 242 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: is ever changing. As we know it seems to have 243 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: escalated significantly in regards to the regime hammering down using 244 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: lethal force, multiple people dead, differing reports. Of course, it's 245 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: hard to get verified information out of the country right now. 246 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: What is your take on what we've seen thus far 247 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: and how close potentially we are to a collapse of 248 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: the Islamic regime in Iran. 249 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, so right now, I mean we're seeing unverified videos 250 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: on social media of dozens and dozens of bodies, horrific 251 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 4: videos and images of you know, parents searching for their 252 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 4: dead children, and people wailing over bodies of innocent civilians. Obviously, 253 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 4: the situation in Iran is dire right now, at least 254 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: in certain parts of the country, and you know, the 255 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 4: people are out there risking their lives for a better future. 256 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 4: What this means in terms of the likelihood of the 257 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 4: regime collapsing, I think absent an actual push a nudge 258 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 4: of some sort that gives the protesters an edge from 259 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: an external nation, namely the United States and or Israel. 260 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 4: I don't know if they will achieve what they've set 261 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 4: out to achieve without something like that. And right now 262 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: we're looking at a really unbelievable opportunity for a potential 263 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 4: revolution and Iran. But these opportunities they come up sparingly 264 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: and the windows are not open very long. So whoever's 265 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 4: going to act, If they are going to act, they 266 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: need to do it like very soon. 267 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump took to XRA his version of it truth 268 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: Social probably a week ago now, and said, if people 269 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: start to die, we come in. Essentially people started to die. 270 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: He then said, you know, crowd issues and stampedes, et cetera, 271 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: et cetera. I think it's very obvious to everyone, including 272 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: him now, that this is not crowd control issues. This 273 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: is the force's shooting protests is dead. Do you think 274 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: the president needs to act because he said that he would. 275 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: I mean, what's the impact on him if. 276 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: He now doesn't, And what kind of action do you 277 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: think is appropriate? I know what I'd like to see, 278 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: but I understand that that may not be appropriate for 279 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: another country. But I want to see the entire regime destroyed. 280 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: What do you think in those two ways? Does Trump 281 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: need to act as he said he would, does he 282 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: lose face if he doesn't? And secondly, what should America do? 283 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: What would be an appropriate intervention by the Americans? 284 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, these are great questions. First of all, I think 285 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 4: he will act. I just think it's a matter of time. 286 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 4: You know, one thing, you know, love him or hate him, 287 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 4: that's you know when it comes to the president is 288 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 4: there's a certain level of unpredictability, and that is really 289 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 4: advantageous in situations like the what we're seeing in Iran. 290 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 4: You certainly don't want the Iranians to know what's going 291 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: to happen and when it's going to happen. I think 292 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: probably in part some of the delays are attributed to 293 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: a you know, politically, geopolitically, the administration probably wants to 294 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 4: see where things stand, how close to the sort of 295 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: end zone, so to speak, is this moving right now 296 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 4: without military intervention? How far are the protesters able to 297 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: push this? That's probably part of it. The other part 298 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 4: of it, of course, is the military planning and the 299 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 4: intelligence that would go into something like this. If you 300 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 4: look at the operation of Venezuela. That's not something that 301 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: just came together willy nilly in a couple of days. 302 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: Is that took you know, probably millions and millions and 303 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 4: millions of dollars and dozens or hundreds of hours in 304 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 4: terms of planning. So that's probably what they're doing. The 305 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 4: President has probably been briefed on a variety of different options. 306 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: The risk, right is you know, collateral damage and setting 307 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 4: off a chain reaction that is larger than what you've 308 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 4: set out to do. I think what is probably the 309 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: most likely scenario if you are going to see something 310 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 4: and Iran are pretty calibrated strikes targeting key military leadership, 311 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: key infrastructure, IRGC, things of that nature, things that would 312 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: make it harder for the authorities to crack down on 313 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: the protesters. Complicating this, though, of course, is that many 314 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: of these people are of course anticipating this to a 315 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 4: certain degree, so you know, they're in hiding, they're underground, 316 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: they're very far underground. There's all these sorts of different 317 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 4: factors at play. So the president has a lot to 318 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: think about. But I think we'll probably see something in 319 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: the near term here, because if, like you said, if 320 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: he does not act he's going to lose credit ability 321 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 4: with a lot of people. People won't forget that. 322 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, and the reason I 323 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: got you on was a subject that gets talked about 324 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: a lot behind closed doors in the Jewish Israeli community, 325 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: but very rarely does it reach sunlight. And there's a 326 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: myriad of different reasons for that. And I understand, But 327 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: you made an observation regarding the number of people who 328 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: put themselves out there publicly and those who don't, And 329 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: I'd love you to just, in your words, tell me 330 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, why and the reaction that you 331 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: got to this piece. 332 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: Yes, So I recently started talking a little bit more 333 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 4: publicly about my concerns that within the Jewish community not 334 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 4: enough people are stepping up in a substantive way, or 335 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: forget substantive way, in any way, because you know, there 336 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 4: are those of us who have been at this for 337 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 4: a very long time now, every day, day in and 338 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 4: day out, and I think some of us are starting 339 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 4: to look around going you know, it would be nice 340 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 4: to have a bit more of a presence, a bit 341 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: more cohesion throughout the community. And so I put this 342 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 4: out into the ether, you know, the vast majority of 343 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 4: responses that I got back Aaron were people validating what 344 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 4: I said, but there was a not insignificant amount of 345 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 4: people who took issue with what I said. You know, 346 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 4: to the are. 347 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: People that were speaking out themselves of people who weren't 348 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: speaking out that took issue. 349 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: I get a mix of people saying, hey, you're saying 350 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 4: people aren't doing enough. I'm doing all kinds of things, 351 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 4: or hey, I know all kinds of people who are 352 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 4: doing things, and okay, that's fine. And I think most 353 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 4: people the main criticism was that I said, you know, 354 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: in Canada, we have a Jewish population of somewhere in 355 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 4: the range of four hundred thousand. Let's say I make 356 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 4: a list of the most active people in the community. 357 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 4: Let's say it's one hundred, and people really got, you know, 358 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 4: that ruffle a lot of feathers the number one hundred. 359 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: But the message is not about the number, because even 360 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 4: if I say, okay, one hundred and four hundred thousand 361 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: is zero point zero two five percent, Let's be crazy 362 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 4: and say ten thousand Jews in Canada are super active 363 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: every day and they're thinking about this, and they're working 364 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 4: on these issues, you know, combating anti semitism, thinking about 365 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: what we can do to confront rising extremism and fundamentalism 366 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 4: in this country, all of these issues. Let's say it's 367 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 4: ten thousand people, that's still only two and a half 368 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 4: percent of the population. So where's the other you know, 369 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 4: ninety seven and a half percent. That's the issue here, 370 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 4: And you're right, people don't talk about this enough. People 371 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 4: typically criticize the big Jewish organizations. But for me, I'm 372 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: saying we have to look beyond the Jewish organizations, the 373 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 4: people who lead these organizations that clearly they're not going 374 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 4: to save us. We have to save ourselves. We have 375 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 4: to find ways to do more. And so that was 376 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: really the message. 377 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: What do you think is the number one thing stopping 378 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: people from speaking out? And look, not everyone will have 379 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: access to big platforms, and not everyone has a profile, 380 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: but on their own social media or just at their workplaces, 381 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: at the water fountain, in the coffee room. And this 382 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: is what I say when I travel around and I 383 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: say to people, you know, you're not going to have 384 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: access to the kind of audiences that I do, or 385 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, And that was well prior to this issue. Yeah, 386 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: television presenter with a profile, but in the coffee room 387 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: and the tea room have a conversation with someone. It's 388 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: those one on ones, and a lot of people are 389 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: reluctant to even do that. And I have empathy. I 390 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: understand why it's hard. I get it, but I can 391 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: also relate to where you're coming from as someone who's 392 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 1: not Jewish, not Israeli who you know, you risk your 393 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: life in this space. That's a reality, and I choose 394 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: to do so, and that's not you know. I don't 395 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: look at others and say, well, you better speak up 396 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: because I am. But I do have moments where I go, gee, 397 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: it's hard sometimes to look around and think, you know, 398 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: And I have people who aren't speaking out, who are 399 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: sending me things privately, say this, do this, You've got. 400 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: To expose this. 401 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: And all the time, I mean most of the time, 402 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's great, thank you. But sometimes I go, 403 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: what i'd you? 404 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 4: I know, you know, yeah, you know. I think it's 405 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 4: a variety of reasons. I think some of it is fear. 406 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 4: There's some anxiety there, you know. I think frankly, a 407 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 4: lot of people maybe haven't been impacted by you know, 408 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 4: overt anti semitism to the extent that maybe they would 409 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 4: have to be to feel compelled to do something. Yeah, 410 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how much would it take 411 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 4: for somebody to say, WHOA, this is enough, I have 412 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: to do something here. Is it a swastika being spray 413 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 4: painted on their local synagogue that they maybe never go to. 414 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe that's not enough. Is it a 415 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 4: Jewish day school that has been shot at the evening before? 416 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 4: Maybe that's enough, Maybe it's not. I don't know. But 417 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 4: so there's all kinds of things, and I think there's 418 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 4: also a level of helplessness almost in the sense of voting. 419 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 4: You know, when there's a consequential election, people I haven't 420 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 4: voted in ten years. What difference it's going to make, 421 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 4: you know, probably change the trajectory of our country forever. 422 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 4: But that's fine if you don't want to vote. So 423 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: it's the same sort of thing with this, you know, 424 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't. I'm not asking people to go 425 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: out there and start writing about the regime in Iran 426 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 4: or doing sort of investigative journalism on you know, the 427 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: Islamic Jihad. But there are so many ways that people 428 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 4: can get involved that they're just they're just not. I mean, 429 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 4: and a lot of the ways they're not sexy, they're 430 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 4: not glamorous, and they might not be thrilling in any way. 431 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 4: But you know, maybe there's a school board meeting that 432 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 4: you should probably go to, even though it's not really 433 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 4: your thing, it's probably a thing to our adversaries and 434 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: the people who want to make Jewish life in the 435 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 4: West that much harder and that much more difficult. They're 436 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 4: probably going. There might be a DEI committee at the 437 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 4: workplace that you think is completely useless, and maybe it is, 438 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: but maybe that's going to be the next place where 439 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 4: anti Palestinian racism emerges. And in ten years you can't 440 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 4: wear a kipa at the work or your kids can't. Yeah, 441 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 4: maybe all this. 442 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not just being public and you know, 443 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: going to a rally, Like all the things you're talking 444 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: about are very different, unique and. 445 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 2: Easy for everyday people to do. And it does make 446 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: a difference. 447 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: Just having a Jewish voice in a room with ten 448 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: others who might not be concerned can make the world 449 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: of difference. 450 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean, I'm not as concerned with the guy 451 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 4: banging the drum down the street calling for Jews to 452 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 4: go back to Poland. I mean, that's disgusting, and you know, 453 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 4: I think that should be handled through the law and 454 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 4: so on and so forth. It would be nice if 455 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 4: the existing laws that we have in place could actually 456 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 4: be applied. 457 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: It wouldn't that be nice? 458 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: You know? 459 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 4: But that's not really what worries me. It's the ones 460 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: in the shadows. It's the quiet people who are really 461 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 4: smart and strategic about these things, who are part of 462 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: the unions, are getting into the workplace, who are teaching 463 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 4: our children, physicians, who are taking their ideologies, their worldviews 464 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 4: which are completely antithetical to everything that we've built in 465 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 4: the Western world and pushing that on people in the 466 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 4: most critical sectors and most critical domains of our societies. 467 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 4: That's where I'm going. Okay, there's a lot to fight 468 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 4: for there. You have to go. Your voice means something. 469 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 4: If there's four hundred thousand of us in Canada, I 470 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 4: mean there should be things should be a lot better 471 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 4: than they are right now. I'll tell you that. 472 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 473 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. And just in the last few months 474 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: when I speak to people in Australia and I do 475 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: content that's aimed at Australians, and it's exactly the same thing. 476 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: I think there was a period where the silent majority 477 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: were able to be exactly that, just silent, and there 478 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: was enough people making an impact in ways that mattered 479 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: to to save us. Essentially, that moment has well and 480 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: truly passed the threat and the crisis we face not 481 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: just Jewish people in this country in Australia, and that's significant, 482 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: but Australians generally who don't want to be ruled by 483 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: Jihabs and don't want to be shot out at Bondai 484 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: Beach because terrorismselves have been allowed to thrive under weak governments, 485 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. But I say the time has 486 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: passed for the silent majority to be able to just 487 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: sit there and know that someone else will handle it, 488 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: because it's actually it's existential now. And every Australian in 489 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: whatever way you can, and this is where I talk 490 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: about the tea room at work, or a conversation or 491 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: a something or whatever you can do that you're comfortable with. 492 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: You don't need to go out and go on national 493 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: television and fight for your rights. You've just got to 494 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: do little things that will make a difference. 495 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I must say I'm getting a 496 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 4: little frustrated having you know, people who are very well educated, 497 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 4: who are well known in their communities, who are freight 498 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 4: people who have made tremendous careers for themselves coming to 499 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 4: me saying what do I what am I supposed to do? 500 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 4: You know, you've figured it out in every other part 501 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 4: of your life. Yeah, you know, maybe you could figure 502 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 4: it out in this one. I'm not you know, I 503 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 4: don't have all the answers to all these things, and 504 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: I'm certainly not perfect. I'm sure there's more things I 505 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 4: could be doing and things I could be doing better. 506 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 4: But you know, you mentioned Iran earlier. There's a lot 507 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 4: to learn by looking at people like that that are 508 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 4: on the streets of Iran right now, risking their lives 509 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 4: for a better future. If you're hearing this message, you 510 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 4: don't you can leave the house without fear of not 511 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: making it home that night and making a difference. Other 512 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 4: people do not have that luxury. So if the people 513 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 4: of Iran can go out there knowing that they might 514 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 4: die in the streets for a better future so their 515 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 4: children and grandchildren gonna have a better future, you can 516 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: do it as well. You're gonna be fine. You'll make 517 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 4: it home in time for dinner and you might actually 518 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 4: achieve something that day. 519 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: I actually love that. 520 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: And I was just looking at something Jana ronhad, Australia's 521 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: wealthiest woman, had just done an interview talking about Australia Day. 522 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: And we have gotten to a position in this country 523 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: where if you post the Australian flag on your Instagram 524 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: on Australia Day, say is like, happy Australia Day, You're canceled. 525 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: You're racist, You're. 526 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: A bigot, you hate Indigenous Australians, you hate immigrant like. 527 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 2: It is insanity. And that is one thing. 528 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: And I even you know, I stopped maybe seven eight 529 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: years ago. I was a sports anchor, so you know, 530 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: on a network. I wasn't in political commentary, so no 531 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: one cared about my opinion. I was there to do 532 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: a job and to offend the least amount of people 533 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: as possible. And so we were kind of told it network, 534 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: just don't do anything that's inflammatory. Just did it, so 535 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: I would just completely abstain. Obviously that version of me 536 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: is dead well and truly, as is very obvious over 537 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: the past couple of years. But even put an Australian 538 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: flag out for Australia day. That is such a powerful 539 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: symbol of reclaiming who we are as a nation and 540 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: something that actually says to those who want to destroy us, 541 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: because you look at those who march for Hamasen, who 542 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: march across the harve A Bridge, they burn Australian flags. 543 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: They stand for the complete opposite of who we are. 544 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: So so the twenty sixth of January this is just 545 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: an Australian example. It's an Australian flag, or put one 546 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: outside your home, or say Happy Australia Day to someone 547 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: at the shop. Something as simple as that helps us 548 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: to reclaim the narrative and instill pride back into who 549 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: we are as a people and not shame that our 550 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: enemies have forced us to feel for no reason. 551 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 4: Percent I mean, and it's the same thing here Aaron 552 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 4: in Canada. I mean, whether it's saying Mary Christmas or 553 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 4: the national anthem, which people, we. 554 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 2: Don't play it anymore. 555 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: The only place Australian national anthem has been played that 556 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: I've heard in the last year has been at Jewish 557 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: Australian events. 558 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: That's it. 559 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: I play the anthem and I go, oh my god, 560 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm so I've almost forgotten. 561 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: The words we don't play its sport. We don't play 562 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: it anymore because it's racist. 563 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 4: Well, what we do with our anthem is you know, 564 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: it seems like half the time people sing it, they 565 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: actually deliberately changed the lyrics. 566 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Same. 567 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 4: And so this is I was recently on a podcast 568 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 4: with the Free Press, and this is something that I 569 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 4: mentioned that, you know, I think people really need to 570 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 4: start thinking about more. Is that you know, you have 571 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 4: people pople weaponizing our freedoms, take to take away our freedom. 572 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 4: And at the same time, we're signaling to a generation 573 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 4: that this isn't their land, the house that they're in. 574 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: They should probably feel a little guilt for, you know, 575 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 4: living the life that they live. They still have the 576 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 4: sins of their ancestors on their hands. The system that 577 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 4: they benefit from is inequitable. 578 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: It is. 579 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 4: You know, marginalizing to so many people. So they should 580 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 4: feel guilty for Not only should they feel guilty for it, 581 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 4: they should seek to undo it. So we're teaching all 582 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 4: of these people that there's really nothing to not only 583 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 4: should you not fight for these things, to defend these things, 584 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 4: you should try to do away with them. And so 585 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 4: at the same time, you have these forces converging at once, 586 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 4: which it's leading to this situation where you know, there 587 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 4: could be a large scale terrorist attack and it's sort 588 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 4: of in the news and then it's gone the next day. 589 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 4: It just feels like people are they're apathetic, they don't 590 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 4: feel motivated. It's an identity crisis that we're facing, and 591 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 4: I'm not sure people have the pride anymore that they 592 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 4: did even ten years ago or twenty years ago to 593 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 4: really stand up and fight for the things that matter most. 594 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 4: And so I'm very concerned about these issues, and so 595 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six that's going to be you know, 596 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 4: a lot of my focus. 597 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be an exaggeration or you know, 598 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: fear mongering to say, you look at Iran prior to 599 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: the Islamic regime coming in and taking over, free liberal society, 600 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: women in shorts, the whole thing. 601 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: People seem to think. 602 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's an arrogance that we 603 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: have here in the West that something like that would 604 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: never happen to us. 605 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: Look at the UK, look at New York. 606 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: It's collective warmth like these are things that happened fifty 607 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: years ago, and the country in which they occurred are unrecognizable. 608 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: It's not that far fetched that if we don't enough 609 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: of us don't stand up and fight for what matters 610 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: in the kind of futures that our forefathers died for 611 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 1: for our children moving forward in our countries. But we 612 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: could find ourselves in a very similar situation. 613 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: Look at history. 614 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: It's the greatest tincture of what might happen in the future. 615 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I talk about two things pretty frequently, 616 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 4: I say, and I've been saying this since October seventh. 617 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 4: I feel like I've been saying it since ninil. But 618 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 4: you know, we always tell ourselves, oh, that'll never happen here, 619 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 4: like we have this false sense of foreverness that's not 620 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 4: a real thing. 621 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: That's comforting, by the way. I wish it were the case. 622 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: I'd have a lot more sleep. 623 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I can talk about the fact that 624 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 4: we look at crazy things and we say, well, that'll 625 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 4: never happen. Yeah, planes. Wouldn't you tell me that planes 626 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 4: hit the World Trade centers? You go, that's crazy, that 627 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 4: would never happen. Yeah, it happens. It could happen again, 628 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: another bond I could happen again. It will happen again. 629 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: It will happen again. 630 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 4: But this is an insidious creep. And that leads me 631 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 4: to the other issue that I talk about all the time, 632 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 4: and that is time. We live in a culture where 633 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 4: we're thinking about things in the immediate. I mean, I 634 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 4: got to get my ten thousand steps in today. I 635 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 4: have to get to that new restaurant this weekend. I 636 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 4: need to get a raise within the next six months, 637 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 4: What about the next twenty five years? Think further ahead, 638 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 4: and maybe stop thinking totally about yourself and think about 639 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 4: maybe the grandchildren that you don't have yet, because if 640 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 4: it keeps going the way it's going out, then they 641 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 4: certainly will not get to live the life that you lived. 642 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 4: And so there's something to be said about that. And 643 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 4: you need to go out there and you need to 644 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 4: start actively working on that and putting as much effort 645 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 4: into that as you do everything else in your life. 646 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: Because that will be on us. We will have failed 647 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: percent and this suicidal empathy. You look at you know 648 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Stammer and Macron and Connie and all the likes in Albanizi. 649 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: You know we've allowed them, We are allowing them to 650 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: do what they are doing. You know that phrase you 651 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: just used insidious creep is so powerful. 652 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: I really like that. 653 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: Finally, Casey Canada, I did a special on Canada a 654 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: little while ago, and my lord, there was not a 655 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: lot of positive that came out of it. Can you 656 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: give me an update on where your beautiful country is 657 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: at and is it further in decline over the past 658 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: few months or is there any shred of hope? 659 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: There's always hope. 660 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 4: I think there is a shred of hope. I mean, 661 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 4: I think we're in sort of a weird lull right now, 662 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 4: which is sort of why I made I talked about 663 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 4: that publicly on social media. You know, not enough people 664 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 4: being involved because I'm it feels like we're in a 665 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 4: quiet there's a calm right now. 666 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 667 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 4: And for somebody who's worked in national security their whole 668 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 4: career and studied, you know, these issues for a very 669 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 4: long time, it is the calm that worries me most. 670 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 4: I'm very concerned about what's in store for us. I 671 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 4: would imagine that our own Bondai is just around the corner. 672 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 4: And you know, I think there's really a fatigue that's 673 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 4: set in with people, which is natural. You know, it's 674 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 4: been a two years since October seventh, and you know, 675 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 4: the closer that we get to a three year mark 676 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 4: or a four year mark, the more all of that 677 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 4: stuff for a lot of people is in the rear view. 678 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 4: And I'm you know, screaming from the hilltops that it's 679 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 4: not in the rear view. This is our future and 680 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 4: there is no going back to October. This is the 681 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 4: path now. We can't lose sight of, you know, the 682 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 4: issues that are right in front of us, because the 683 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 4: people who seek to do us harm they seem to 684 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 4: never lose sight of these things. And so right now 685 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 4: in Canada, we're in a weird period right now, and 686 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are trying to, you know, 687 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 4: figure out their path for twenty twenty six. But they 688 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 4: need to fish or cut bait here pretty soon because 689 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 4: things are going to get real here and I don't 690 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 4: think things are going to turn around for the better 691 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 4: anytime soon. 692 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: Again, you keep saying things that are so obvious, so simple, 693 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: yet so profound. The commitment of our enemies, of those 694 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: who wish us harm, is far greater than the commitment 695 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: of and I'm talking generally not of individuals, of us 696 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: to stop them and to protect what they're trying to destroy. 697 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: They are far more committed to destroying us than we 698 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: are to stopping the rot. 699 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's itir that only. 700 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: Goes one way, by the way, like it's not a 701 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: it's a yeah. 702 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 4: We need to be committed to these things too, because 703 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 4: ten years, twenty years, there's not going to be any 704 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 4: macho latte, There's not going to be any fit bit. 705 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 4: You know that new show you want to watch, Your 706 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 4: life could look very different. And there are many people 707 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 4: around the world, including the Iranians, who know that things 708 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 4: can change very quickly and very dramatically overnight. We saw 709 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 4: what happened in nineteen seventy nine. We could have our 710 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 4: own nineteen seventy nine here anytime. So people need to 711 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 4: wake up and start thinking about these things very seriously. 712 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: Last question, and it's a very significant change of pace, 713 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: And you are probably the worst person in the world 714 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: for me to ask this too. What is a reaction 715 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: to Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry in your people excited? 716 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: Are they repulsed? 717 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 2: Different? 718 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: If they care more about that than the future of 719 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: their children, will be upset. 720 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 4: You know, it might make you happy to hear this, 721 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 4: at least in the circles that I run in. No 722 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 4: one's brought that up. No one's bringing it up. Typically 723 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 4: i'm talking to people about avoiding you know, thermonuclear war 724 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 4: or World War three, or we're not talking about that. 725 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 4: But yeah, I haven't heard anything. I think really, people 726 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 4: though in this country are pretty concerned about a lot 727 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 4: of things, and that, to the best of my knowledge, 728 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 4: is not one of them. 729 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: See. 730 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: Look, I am very as you know, engaged in your 731 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: world and professionally in this space. But I'm still also 732 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 1: again I know, really juicy. 733 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 4: And I want to give you no denying that. 734 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So you are a real gift to Canada and 735 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: to the Western world. Thank you for sharing your incredible insights, 736 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: and thank you for being brave enough to fight every 737 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: single day. 738 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 2: You are superb Thank you. 739 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. 740 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah he's amazing, isn't he. Let me know what you think. 741 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't think, so maybe you disagree. 742 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 2: I'd love to know your thoughts. 743 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: As always, Now, before we go, I wanted to bring 744 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: you an email that I received and this is something 745 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: that made me quite emotional, which might be a surprise. 746 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't care people say, oh you cry. No, yes, 747 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: I cry. 748 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: I cry a lot, but I laugh a lot, and 749 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: I feel a lot, and I'm passionate, and I get 750 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: angry a lot, and I get happy a lot, and 751 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't ever want to lose that. 752 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: I don't want to become so jaded that I don't 753 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: feel anything. So yes, when there are people dying, when 754 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: people are suffering, I get emotional because I care deeply, 755 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: and I'll never stop. So you can point it out 756 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: to me all you like, and you can watch just 757 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: so you can be mean to me about it. I 758 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: don't care. You're still watching, You're still engaging, which helps me. 759 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: So thank you. 760 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: This is an email from a man called Sea dear 761 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: erin I can't thank you enough for what you would do. 762 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: I was in tears when I received a message from 763 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,479 Speaker 1: my eighty year. 764 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 2: Old father in Iran. 765 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: When I opened it, it was a video of you 766 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: speaking about Iran. I don't think you realize what that means. 767 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: See screenshot attached. And he sent me a screenshot the 768 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: name Bubba at the top. This is how I imagine it. 769 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: This is him continuing he has been endlessly scrolling through 770 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: the news, feeling hopeless and surrounded by darkness. 771 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 2: Then he came across your video. 772 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: It gave him a spark of hope strong enough that 773 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: he felt the need to share it with me. The 774 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: last time he messaged me was months ago, and we 775 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: had never spoken about you before. You were a voice 776 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: for my father and for so many others in Iran. 777 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: You have been able to do something for him that 778 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: I simply couldn't, and that matters. What you do gives 779 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: people hope. What you do saves lives. What you do 780 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: gives people a reason to keep going. I know that's 781 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: probably not why you do it, and you have a 782 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: greater goal. But one day we will name a main 783 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: square after you, not few personally, but for us, for 784 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: future generations to remember who stood with us when our 785 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: voices were being censored and when we were fighting to 786 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: reclaim what was taken from us, our land and more importantly, 787 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: our identity. And again, I think you know me well 788 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: enough by now to know that I'm not big noting. 789 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm very self deprecating. 790 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: I share as much hate as I get as I 791 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: share things like that, But that to me, and it's 792 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: not about me. It's about every person who shares my videos, 793 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: and there's thousands of you, every person who speaks as 794 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: well in this space, Who does their own who shares 795 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: what is going on, Who tells a friend at work, 796 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: Who make sure that these deaths and these brave, courageous 797 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: people on the ground in Iran are not going to 798 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: give their lives in Vain. Sons and daughters who lose 799 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: moms and dads over this last week and into the 800 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: days and weeks ahead, I'm not going to do so 801 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: in Vain. It will be for something. All they need 802 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: is a voice. We take that for granted. In the 803 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: West they don't, and yes it comes with risk, but 804 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: that is a risk worth taking because they're out there 805 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: facing bullets from an evil terrorist regime. The least we 806 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: can do is give them a voice. They deserve a 807 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: million things, a million more than that, but what they 808 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: need right now is a voice. So that letter to 809 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: me just yeah, it's heartbreaking, but it also that is 810 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: my why. To be honest, See you said, what did 811 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: you say? I know that's probably not why you do it, 812 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: and you have a greater goal, do you know what? 813 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 2: No other goal matters. That is my why. 814 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: Your eighty year old dad sending you a screenshot and 815 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: feeling like they are less alone is my why. Every 816 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: message I get from Iran is my why. This doesn't 817 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't, This doesn't get you a network television job. 818 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: This doesn't, you know, get you recognized by you know, 819 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: the vast majority of ignorant human rights organizations or pretend 820 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: feminist groups. 821 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 2: But that doesn't matter. I don't care about them. 822 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: Your dad, your eighty year old dad in Iran who 823 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: saw my video and felt hope, is my why. So 824 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: thank you for reminding me of that, because sometimes this 825 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: face is really hard, and it can be relentless, and 826 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: it can be thankless. 827 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 2: But that is my why. So thank you all for watching. 828 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 2: I love you all. 829 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: Please share if you found value in any of the 830 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: things that we do, and as always, let me know 831 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 1: what you think. 832 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 2: Thank you.