Speaker 1: We're back from the holiday weekend and there is no
Speaker 1: shortage of stuff going on in the news of Somali
Speaker 1: fraud scandal in Minnesota has absolutely exploded. Shocky new footage
Speaker 1: from YouTuber Nick Shirley has rocked the Land of ten
Speaker 1: Thousand Lakes. Meanwhile, Donald Trump with a Christmas special whacking
Speaker 1: ices in Nigeria, while at the same time Tucker Carlson
Speaker 1: going really soft on Islam. Also Vlai mer Zelenski at
Speaker 1: mar A Lago, Bibi Nitznyaku at mar A Lago. Today,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff happening on today's episode of
Speaker 1: The Josh Hammer Show. Welcome back everyone, Hope you had
Speaker 1: a very merry Christmas. Wishing you a happy early New
Speaker 1: Year as well. Smally fraud in Minnesota. We've been covering
Speaker 1: this story for months to us here on The Josh
Speaker 1: Hammer Show. The ongoing smally fraud in Minnesota, combined with
Speaker 1: all of the recent shenanigans and histrionics in dearborn Michigan,
Speaker 1: to say nothing of the recent moves by governors of
Speaker 1: Santas and Governor Abbott in Florida and Texas, respectfully, this
Speaker 1: is all part and parcel of the broader pitch that
Speaker 1: Islam is increasingly making inroads in the United States, and
Speaker 1: it's not just those five to six am calls to
Speaker 1: prayer from the minarets of the mosque. No, this is
Speaker 1: an actual, genuine cultural, constitutional, legal, and civilizational incompatibility. Really
Speaker 1: ground zero of this conversation has moved, i would say,
Speaker 1: possibly away from Deerbrow, Michigan, all the way to Minneapolis, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: where this fraud scandal, which was initially brought to its
Speaker 1: current status as the focal points national conversations, was initially
Speaker 1: brought there by Chris Rufo of City Journal and the
Speaker 1: Manhattan Stitude. Chris doing amazing work as always, this thing's
Speaker 1: really exploded. Now we know that Secretary Scott Present of
Speaker 1: the Treasury Department is involved currently in all sorts of
Speaker 1: financial investigations trying to discern who, including but not limited
Speaker 1: to public officials, left officials, who knew what and when
Speaker 1: did they know it, What possible statutes were violated when
Speaker 1: it comes to just brazen, out right defrauding of the
Speaker 1: United States taxpayer, let alone siphoning and taking some of
Speaker 1: this money and shipping it overseas to cross subsidize Al
Speaker 1: Shabab the former Al Qaeda offs you, which is now
Speaker 1: an independent pseudoni jihadist organization there in Somalia. Turns out
Speaker 1: the Minnesota taxpayer the number one funder of al Shabab. Insane,
Speaker 1: utterly insane stuff. Well, the reason that we were revisiting
Speaker 1: the story is because it actually escalated just over the
Speaker 1: past a few days while we were taking a bit
Speaker 1: of a break here on the Josh Hammers Show, and
Speaker 1: while you were hopefully enjoying some wonderful time with your family.
Speaker 1: So YouTuber Nick Sureley, we'll get to him in just
Speaker 1: a minute here doing phenomenal work his views on the ground,
Speaker 1: generating about one hundred million views on YouTube, just trying
Speaker 1: to get there and to show you with his own camera,
Speaker 1: with the flesh, you can actually see what this fraud
Speaker 1: looks like there in ground zero, so to speak, in
Speaker 1: Minneapolis and practice. But some of this was escalated as
Speaker 1: well by just another element to this fraud scandal, and
Speaker 1: it was actually Cash Battel, the embattled FBI director, who
Speaker 1: nonetheless is doing a very competent job, at least by
Speaker 1: my estimation, he is getting a lot of flag including
Speaker 1: from some people on the right. When it comes to
Speaker 1: the Epstein Finals. We've generally been defenders of Director Pattel,
Speaker 1: and unless we've given reason for not being defenders of him,
Speaker 1: we're going to continue to defend him. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: he issued a very interesting and notable update when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Somali fraud scandal over the weekend cash
Speaker 1: PTEL on Saturday, putting on x in relevant part quote,
Speaker 1: the FBI is aware of recent social media reports in Minnesota. However,
Speaker 1: even before the public conversation escalate online, the FBI had
Speaker 1: surged personnel and investigative resources to Minnesota to dismantle large
Speaker 1: scale fraud schemes exploiting federal programs. Fraud that steals from
Speaker 1: taxpayers and rob's vulnerable children will remain a top FBI
Speaker 1: priority in Minnesota and nationwide. To date, the FBI dismantled
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty million dollar fraud scheme two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen million dollar fronts that stole federal food
Speaker 1: aid meant for vulnerable children during COVID. The investigation exposed
Speaker 1: sham vendors, shell companies, and large scale money laundering tied
Speaker 1: to the Feeding Our Future network. The case led to
Speaker 1: seventy eight indictments. Fifty seven convictions. The FBI believes this
Speaker 1: is just the tip of a very large iceberg. We'll
Speaker 1: continue to follow the money and protect children. This investigation
Speaker 1: very much remains ongoing. I saw someone actually a Twitter wag,
Speaker 1: if you will, a bit of a social media troll,
Speaker 1: just a remarkable, remarkable side by side comparison according to
Speaker 1: some estimates based what we've seen thus far, including not
Speaker 1: limited to that quarter of a billion dollar healthcare childcare
Speaker 1: fraud number that I just read to you, including the
Speaker 1: al Shabab transfers, all of what we've learned recently. When
Speaker 1: it comes to the extent of Somali fraud in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: it arguably, based on some math, they've now stolen more
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars then what Lehman Brothers, the former Bolsbracken Investment Bank,
Speaker 1: what they lost in two thousand and eight. So, if
Speaker 1: you feed your mind packed two thousand and eight, it
Speaker 1: was really Lehman Brothers and bear Stearns. It was the
Speaker 1: collapse of these those two particular banks that cause the
Speaker 1: Great Recession, the great financial crisis of two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. There So I saw someone X
Speaker 1: post this article from September tenth, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: the investment bank Lehman Brothers announced that it was expecting
Speaker 1: a loss of three point nine billion dollars after a
Speaker 1: five point six billion dollars in write down. So, look,
Speaker 1: the math can get a little dice depending on how
Speaker 1: you cut it. On some estimates, Somalis have defrauded the
Speaker 1: American tax payer by more dollars than the Lehman Brothers
Speaker 1: literally lost, which arguably was the final factor for the
Speaker 1: full blown financial crisis that engulfed the final year or
Speaker 1: so of the Bush presidency and the first year or
Speaker 1: so of the Obama presidency. So just absolutely wild stuff there,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot to unpack about this there. But
Speaker 1: without further ado, let's go ahead and actually take a
Speaker 1: look at what YouTuber Nick Shirley has been doing. This
Speaker 1: stuff is absolutely blowing up on my social media feed.
Speaker 1: I presume that is blowing up on your social media
Speaker 1: feed as well. I'd actually never heard of the guy.
Speaker 1: I never heard of Nick Shirley. I salute you, sir,
Speaker 1: you are doing some really fantastic work. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and just watch a very short snippet of this on
Speaker 1: the ground reporting in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Are there local reporters like that in your area? And
Speaker 2: why do you think they weren't doing the work that
Speaker 2: you did?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm like they're scared of being called nowadays because it's
Speaker 4: some aliums that are committing this product. People are scared of
Speaker 4: be calling Islamophobic, racist, in which has nothing to do
Speaker 4: with what's going on. Because fraud is fraud. It doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if it's a black person, white person. Agent Verson Mexican.
Speaker 4: Fraud is fraud, and we work too hard simply just
Speaker 4: to be paying taxes in enabling fraud to be happening.
Speaker 1: So this is the relevant question, right is who is
Speaker 1: covering the story and who is not covering the story. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: based on my quick surveying of the media landscape, the
Speaker 1: ducks are lining up in the row exactly as you
Speaker 1: would expect. So Newsweek, which hosts our show, to newswek's
Speaker 1: great credit. We are covering this story on Newsweek. The
Speaker 1: same cannot be said of many other broader speaking, wider
Speaker 1: distribution mainstream media publications, most of whom are deliberately choosing
Speaker 1: to turn a blind eye to this particular story. But
Speaker 1: why should it turn upon an independent YouTuber like Nick Shirley,
Speaker 1: and by the way, he was right there on Fox News.
Speaker 1: You ought to go ahead and actually check out his
Speaker 1: YouTube fee because you will just see some stuff that
Speaker 1: will make you want to gouge your freaking eyes out there.
Speaker 1: Why should it fall on Nick Shirley to get there
Speaker 1: on the ground and actually start exposing some of the
Speaker 1: sheer level of fraud that is coming from the Somali
Speaker 1: community that the officials are certainly starting to make this
Speaker 1: a broader point of the national conversation as well. One
Speaker 1: of the things that I've been saying for a while
Speaker 1: is when did these leading Minnesota politicians get word of this?
Speaker 1: And when did they know it? What did Tim Walls,
Speaker 1: Keith Ellison, elan Omar, all these other end of ten
Speaker 1: thousand Lakes ingrits. What did they know? When did they
Speaker 1: know it? These use some of the questions that I
Speaker 1: hope Scott has sent that Treasury is able to uncover
Speaker 1: in the course of his financial investigation. Frankly, we could
Speaker 1: use some more Chris Rufo style investigated journalists trying to
Speaker 1: figure that out as well. Congressman Tom Emmer of the
Speaker 1: state of Minnesota had this to say, as well about
Speaker 1: what is going on with Minnesota's own elected officials and
Speaker 1: their complicity in this whole fraud scandal in Minnesota.
Speaker 5: This has been going on four years. I told you,
Speaker 5: we've known about the daycare fraud for the past decade.
Speaker 5: We've been trying to sound the alarm on the rest
Speaker 5: of the fraud for the last three years. And it
Speaker 5: wasn't until President Trump, who I'm very grateful for him,
Speaker 5: actually saying something about it, made this a national story
Speaker 5: that people started paying attention. And here's the difference Minnesota.
Speaker 5: It's apparently a business. Whistleblowers are coming forward and if
Speaker 5: they are real, Mike, and if what they're saying can
Speaker 5: be documented, and what they're saying is they told Tim Walls,
Speaker 5: they told Keith Ellison about the fraud when it was happening,
Speaker 5: and they not only didn't do anything, they retaliated against them, Mike.
Speaker 5: If that's true, if that can be documented, these guys
Speaker 5: need to be prosecuted, held accountable, and prosecuted to the
Speaker 5: full extent of a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, I was looking at my social media feed
Speaker 1: before we started to record our show's day and I
Speaker 1: saw RNC Research, which is a very nifty social media
Speaker 1: feed that produces a lot of good video content. They
Speaker 1: have this clip that I hadn't seen previously of Tim
Speaker 1: Walls saying, quote, we should have been keeping Minnesota's more
Speaker 1: up to speed on what was happening. You think, like,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? What was happening? What a euphemism?
Speaker 1: What was happening while your own people, while little Mogadishu
Speaker 1: in the state capital of Saint Paul and the Joint
Speaker 1: Any of Minneapolis, while they were defrauding your own people,
Speaker 1: your own public treasury and sending money, not merely diverting
Speaker 1: it from lawful use, from public use for the common wheel,
Speaker 1: for the common good when it comes to road and
Speaker 1: bridges in construction, all the basic things of good governance,
Speaker 1: not just that take the money and also taking it
Speaker 1: and then shipping it overseas. I mean, what was happening.
Speaker 1: What was happening, Tim Walls, is that you presided over
Speaker 1: the single largest fraud scandal the entire history of the
Speaker 1: United States, and given the al Shabab connection, also the
Speaker 1: single largest foreign terrorist organization funding scandal since the largest
Speaker 1: terror financing scandal in the history of the United States,
Speaker 1: which came back in two thousand and seven in the
Speaker 1: form of the Holy Land Foundation trial in North Texas.
Speaker 1: The Holy Land Foundation, which was based in the Dallas suburbs,
Speaker 1: was found to be a direct American plant of Hamas
Speaker 1: and the Most Brotherhood, and they were busted by the way,
Speaker 1: CARE of the Council of Americans long relations was found to
Speaker 1: be an unindicted co conspirator by the federal judge in
Speaker 1: the course of the Holy Land Foundation terror financing trial.
Speaker 1: So put that on the back burner for now when
Speaker 1: it comes to CARE and their long standing connections to
Speaker 1: Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. But the relevant question that
Speaker 1: Tom Memmer is asking is what do these public officials
Speaker 1: know and when did they know. It's the question that
Speaker 1: we are going to continue to beat the drama of
Speaker 1: very much here on our show.
Speaker 3: Center.
Speaker 1: Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, by the way, very much echoing
Speaker 1: Commerce and EMRA, go ahead and watch this well.
Speaker 3: First of all, we need to put all kinds of
Speaker 3: pressure on the state agencies to give us their records.
Speaker 3: Now I'm chairming the permanent subcominge investigations. This will be
Speaker 3: a primary folks of ours. We're already reaching out to
Speaker 3: Nick Shirley and David and other people who can provide
Speaker 3: testimony for this, but we also need documents. So you know,
Speaker 3: these agency heads who finally the federal money to the
Speaker 3: state agencies, they have to demand that the state agencies
Speaker 3: are transparent, and unfortunately, particularly in Democrat controlled states, they're not.
Speaker 3: They're refusing term of those records. I've got subpoena power.
Speaker 3: I will use that subpoena power to obtain these records
Speaker 3: because we have to get to the bottom of this. Understand
Speaker 3: Somali's just been this country a few years. They're amateurs
Speaker 3: when it comes to fleecing the federal government. And let's
Speaker 3: face it, thement I'd have gotten this is probably the
Speaker 3: easiest consumer, the easiest payer to fleece, and states do
Speaker 3: it time and time again. So this is just tip
Speaker 3: to the iceberg.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw this clip on Friday. It was
Speaker 1: a day after Christmas. I'm sure many of you are offline. Heck,
Speaker 1: God was mostly offline as well. But I saw this
Speaker 1: clip of the Lieutenant governor of Minnesota, whose name is
Speaker 1: Peggy Flanagan, and Peggy Flanagan actually goes ahead and puts
Speaker 1: on this hija and she's standing there with representatives of
Speaker 1: the smaller community, talking about how small these built this state.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is wrong with some of you people? Like,
Speaker 1: what is actually wrong with some of you people that
Speaker 1: you're just sitting there and letting this different culture that
Speaker 1: is not only a different culture when it comes to
Speaker 1: polite mannerisms, but apparently, as far as we can tell,
Speaker 1: also has part of its culture endemic to its culture,
Speaker 1: perhaps the brazen defrauding of their fellow citizens in this case,
Speaker 1: they're fellow Americans and of the taxpayer. More broadly, is
Speaker 1: Minnesota iss gonna let their are there elected officials just
Speaker 1: gonna stand back and let Minneapolis become the next Brussels Belgier,
Speaker 1: or the next Paris or London. Maybe it is already.
Speaker 1: He guy was there on the airport in Minneapolis with
Speaker 1: the first time back in August. I looked around. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe what I saw. You do not feel like
Speaker 1: you're in the United States. And this really kind of
Speaker 1: cuts to the broader points here. Yes, I want to
Speaker 1: know what Keith Ellison knew. I want to know what
Speaker 1: Tim Walls knew. I want to know what Illino Marnu.
Speaker 1: I want to know what all of them knew and
Speaker 1: their complicity, their offuscation at best and at worst, their
Speaker 1: willful complicity in this horrific fraud scandal. But the broader point,
Speaker 1: beyond these specific details of this fraud scandal, the broader
Speaker 1: point is this, is this a culture? Is this a
Speaker 1: way of life that is compatible with American republicanism, American
Speaker 1: self governance, and American constitutionalism? And unless you are hiding
Speaker 1: under a rock, unless you have two or three brain
Speaker 1: cells operating between the years, the answer should be should
Speaker 1: be obvious. The answer is no. Now, what are we
Speaker 1: going to do about it? That's a broader conversation that
Speaker 1: we will table for now. But it suffice to say
Speaker 1: that all options when it comes to deporting non citizens,
Speaker 1: folks who are aliens here, who have lied on their paperwork,
Speaker 1: folks who have who lied as far as they support
Speaker 1: foreign terrorist organizations, they are folks who have committed fraud,
Speaker 1: who have committed crimes. There all of them should be deported.
Speaker 1: And frankly, we are not at all opposed. We're actually
Speaker 1: very supportive on the show of the notion of initiating
Speaker 1: denaturalization proceedings for those who have been initiated into the
Speaker 1: United States clizenship there But either lied on their application
Speaker 1: form or continue to have to have other foreign allegiances
Speaker 1: that directly undermine their support for the good old US
Speaker 1: of A. By the way, Somalia not the not the only,
Speaker 1: not the old, only radical islam tide country that was
Speaker 1: in the news over the long holiday weekends, So there
Speaker 1: was actually a Christmas special, a Christmas special from President
Speaker 1: Donald J.
Speaker 4: Trump.
Speaker 1: This horrific situation Nigeria has been building up for months now,
Speaker 1: are arguably for years. Boko Haram, which is the radical
Speaker 1: Islamic offshoot in Nigeria, has been on a rampage for many,
Speaker 1: many years now, but this started to pick up in
Speaker 1: recent months and terrible, terrible headlines emerging out of the
Speaker 1: very religiously divided country of Nigeria, country that has split
Speaker 1: roughly down the middle between Christians and Muslims, has been
Speaker 1: it's been an ongoing Christian genocide, and yes, as far
Speaker 1: as I can tell it, it absolutely is a genocide
Speaker 1: because these are individuals who horrifically and tragically are being
Speaker 1: deliberately targeted and persecuted simply because of their faith, simply
Speaker 1: because of their religion. Donald Trump released a video maybe
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago about a month ago, give or take,
Speaker 1: saying in no uncertain terms to the Nigerian government and
Speaker 1: to BOCO harm the radical terroristorization, their community of ttrostes
Speaker 1: saying stop this or else we're going to do something.
Speaker 1: And apparently Trump in his inner circle reached a conclusion
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve last Wednesday, that they were actually going
Speaker 1: to do something, and they apparently delayed that decision until
Speaker 1: Christmas Day for something of a symbolic show. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly what happened there. So, the US engaging in strikes
Speaker 1: on ISIS and BOCO Harama and radical Islamic militants there
Speaker 1: in the state of Nigeria, specifically in the state of Sokoto,
Speaker 1: which is on the border of some of the neighboring
Speaker 1: countries there, all these groups are kind of connected there.
Speaker 1: There's al Qaeda in the Western Sahara, there's ISIS, there's
Speaker 1: Boko Haram. All these radical Sunni Islamus groups end up
Speaker 1: being closely supported to one another there. I think they
Speaker 1: were all In question from our perspective is what does
Speaker 1: this say about Donald Trump's foreign policy? Now, don Trump's
Speaker 1: foreign policy is largely predicated on the American national interest,
Speaker 1: is largely predicated on what is best from a somewhat
Speaker 1: narrow view of a dancing America's strategic interests overseas is
Speaker 1: not necessarily the moralistic foreign policy of the Bush administration
Speaker 1: from a neo conservad perspective, or the moralistic foreign policy
Speaker 1: of the Bush or of the Obama administration when it
Speaker 1: comes to a humanitarian interventionist perspective. That's how we got
Speaker 1: to the Batch intervention in Libya, to ask Momar Kadafi
Speaker 1: back in twenty eleven. There So, the Nigeria intervention is
Speaker 1: it is somewhat counter to this very narrow strategic interest there.
Speaker 1: Certainly Nigeria is a somewhat valuable country there. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure it has the strategic importance of other countries around
Speaker 1: the world there, but Nigeria is considered to be one
Speaker 1: of the better to do, one of the more advanced
Speaker 1: countries in that particular part of the world, which as
Speaker 1: of right now is not actually saying a whole lot,
Speaker 1: but it still is one of the more advanced countries there.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely not a not important country, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't really have the strategic importance of a Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 1: to say nothing of a Japan or a country like that. Right,
Speaker 1: So as that say, well, I think what it says
Speaker 1: is that Donald Trump is at his core, instinctually, viscerally,
Speaker 1: is he is a defender of Christendom and of Western civilization.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump might not be someone who's going to be
Speaker 1: able to theorize and philosophize. He's not writing forty page treatises.
Speaker 1: He's not writing six hundred page you know, PhD dissertations
Speaker 1: on the meaning of Western civilization. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: leave that to the public intellectuals, the scholars, the eggheads,
Speaker 1: people like that. But in his gut, in his heart,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump gets what Western civilization is. He gets the
Speaker 1: Western civilization is the Biblical inheritance. He happens to love
Speaker 1: the Jewish people. I saw it in person for myself,
Speaker 1: was originally two weeks a when I was there for
Speaker 1: the Honka celebrations. He has a visceral love for the
Speaker 1: original people of the book, the Jewish people. And he
Speaker 1: totally understands, as a Christian himself, that it is Christian
Speaker 1: Dad and he is Christendom that spread the principles of
Speaker 1: the Bible to billions, literally billions and billions of people. Therefore,
Speaker 1: establishing the modern predic gate for what we'd say called
Speaker 1: Western civilization. And this might be somewhat of an aberration
Speaker 1: when it comes to his somewhat narrow America First national's
Speaker 1: view of foreign policy, but I think viewed from that
Speaker 1: somewhat different, albeit closely related perspective, whereas he also sees
Speaker 1: himself as a champion of Western civilization. There, I think
Speaker 1: that this is really the better way probably to understand
Speaker 1: this particular limited humanitarian intervention in Nigeria. The somewhat rebuttal
Speaker 1: to that would be, okay, what if we get sucked
Speaker 1: into a broader conflict in Nigeria? And then the response
Speaker 1: to that rebuttal is very simple, just don't do it, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, just toe to it, the same way that
Speaker 1: we didn't get sucked into a broader war in Iran
Speaker 1: after the B two bombers struck back in June. Just
Speaker 1: because you have some level of intervention, some level of precision,
Speaker 1: strike and get the heck out, that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you were immediately going to get involved. When it comes
Speaker 1: to boots on the grounds and all the horrible memories
Speaker 1: of rock Aghanstan. You know a lot of the neoists
Speaker 1: they like to present this total false choice, whereas on
Speaker 1: the one hand we are George W. Bush swashbuckling democracy,
Speaker 1: promoting neoconservatism, or on the other hand, just don't get involved.
Speaker 1: But what I've been saying for years, years and years
Speaker 1: and years is that most Americans, most common sense people,
Speaker 1: most people who give an iota a modicum a critical
Speaker 1: thought to these matters, understands that John McCain and Ron
Speaker 1: Paul are not the only two options for foreign policy.
Speaker 1: There is like ninety eight percent of the middle holding
Speaker 1: aside the extreme one percent. Now, reasonal folks can disagree
Speaker 1: on a given action, and reasonable folks certainly can disagree
Speaker 1: here when it comes to the wisdom of intervening in
Speaker 1: limited fashion in Nigeria. But viewed from the perspective of
Speaker 1: defending be leaguered, besieged Christians against radical Islam, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is positioning himself, I think, straightforwardly and forthrightly as a champion,
Speaker 1: as a defender of Western civilization and the biblical inheritance
Speaker 1: that defines Western civilization. That's maybe not how Donald Trump
Speaker 1: would say it if you were asked in an interview,
Speaker 1: but I think that in his guts, in his guts.
Speaker 1: That really is what he is thinking now speaking of
Speaker 1: this threat of this conflict between radical Islam and Christianity.
Speaker 1: And by the way, there's so much dumb, dumb, dumb
Speaker 1: misinformation on this topic. There are a lot of folks
Speaker 1: out there saying, oh, my God, the only reason the
Speaker 1: Muslims hey Christians is because of the State of Israel
Speaker 1: of nineteen forty eight. How short of a memory do
Speaker 1: you guys have? How many history books have you read
Speaker 1: or lack thereof? Have you heard of that thing called
Speaker 1: the Crusades, the various wars between Christianity and Islam about
Speaker 1: a thousand years ago? Have you heard about the Siege
Speaker 1: of Vienna where the Ottoman Empire was finally termed back.
Speaker 1: I'm getting all the way into the heart of the
Speaker 1: Austro Hungarian Empire in the mid seventeenth century. Christian Europe
Speaker 1: fought back at that point, finally repelled the Aman Turks.
Speaker 1: Have you heard about the First and Second Barbary Wars
Speaker 1: here in the United States in the early nineteenth century.
Speaker 1: Those wars fought between the then fledgling US Navy and
Speaker 1: the Barbary Pirates, the houthy rebels of their day. These
Speaker 1: Muslim pirates off the coast in Northern Africa. The literal
Speaker 1: reason that we still have a Navy and Marine Corps
Speaker 1: and so forth to this day. I mean, I'm familiar
Speaker 1: with the military fights on to the shores of Tripoli.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sing here because my voice is terrible.
Speaker 1: It's the onliar reference to the Barbary Wars the shores
Speaker 1: of Tripoli. I just people are just so stupid. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of folks, obviously on the left,
Speaker 1: increasly on the adel Brains, hyper conspiratoril rights, that are
Speaker 1: making this out to be that radical Islam, and more
Speaker 1: generally Islam is not in a state of tension. They're
Speaker 1: not literally care about the West. They don't really care
Speaker 1: about Christians, they don't really care about Christom. It's just
Speaker 1: the Jews, It's just Israel. Far too predictably, the latest,
Speaker 1: the latest adult to articulate this in some of the
Speaker 1: clearest fashion possible was Tucker Carlson. So, Tucker Carlson just
Speaker 1: this past Friday went on a podcast hosted by Tach
Speaker 1: The American Conservative, a publication that ironically is neither American
Speaker 1: nor conservative in any meaningful sense of the term they
Speaker 1: are shills for foreign interest when it comes to interests
Speaker 1: that militate against the American national interests. So no surprise
Speaker 1: that Tuck Carlson is on the board of advisors of
Speaker 1: this magazine, that he went on one of their podcasts,
Speaker 1: and this is what Tucker had to say.
Speaker 2: I believe in measuring reality a little more empirically. And
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know anyone in the United States
Speaker 2: in the last twenty four years has been killed by
Speaker 2: radical Islam. You know, I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: who have killed themselves a lot. I know people have
Speaker 2: died at drug abuse. More than a few people can
Speaker 2: get jobs. None of none of the boys in my
Speaker 2: daughter's class that can get jobs. None of those white
Speaker 2: boys can get jobs. They're being destroyed, you know, by
Speaker 2: after all in video games important like I see millions
Speaker 2: of Americans being destroyed at none of it. Is it
Speaker 2: the hands of radical Islam. Is radical is longer danger
Speaker 2: than only fans. It's not even close turning some huge
Speaker 2: percentage for America women into prostitutes. That's got Radical Islam
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 1: Actually, Okay, I don't want to both the rest of
Speaker 1: our shows this which we easily could do. But for now,
Speaker 1: I will make a couple of simple points. One is
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson. Is he drunk? Is he drunk? Is he
Speaker 1: on drugs? I mean, like, what is actually happening between
Speaker 1: his ears that he is saying and spouting out such
Speaker 1: demonstrable insane falsehoods. What is happening between the years, What
Speaker 1: is happening in the neurons in his body? How much
Speaker 1: Katari money is flowing into his bank account? What is
Speaker 1: happening that is resulting in him saying these out of
Speaker 1: control insane things. Radical Islam has open responsible for any
Speaker 1: deaths in the past twenty four years. Do you remember
Speaker 1: the fort Hood massacre of two thousand and nine, the
Speaker 1: Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, the Houston lone wolf Jihati
Speaker 1: who went to gun down or to mow over and
Speaker 1: in a vehicular homicide act. At least fifteen is in
Speaker 1: Biastanders on Bourbon Street in the wee hours of last
Speaker 1: New Year's Day. I mean, there's more examples, like a
Speaker 1: possibly count there was the Bernardino, California mass shooting a
Speaker 1: decade ago. How many more innocent people must die at
Speaker 1: the hands of Radical Islam for Islam's apologists here in
Speaker 1: the United States left or quote unquote right alike to
Speaker 1: get the message. I mean the Boston marathon bombing. There
Speaker 1: were so many obvious examples here. This is obfuscation, will
Speaker 1: flu stupidity, indeed, all but all but a shirley corruption.
Speaker 1: Given the fact that he's flying to Doha, do these
Speaker 1: interviews with the Amir Kaktar tam of buying a house there.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 1: We don't necessarily quite have the goods, but we have
Speaker 1: a lot of secondary goods to suggest that Tucker is
Speaker 1: has far too close ties, to put it mildly, to
Speaker 1: put it, perhaps far too charitably, with the Katari regime
Speaker 1: there in Doha. It's not good. And the other point
Speaker 1: to make here is this, this same guy who hosted
Speaker 1: Nick Flints, Charlie Kirk's lifelong arch nemesis, and hosts him
Speaker 1: for a total fluff interview to ansk a single challenging
Speaker 1: question a month and a half after Charlie's assassination. What
Speaker 1: was the one issue that Charlie Kirk was pushing harder
Speaker 1: than anything in the final year of his life. It
Speaker 1: was a notion that is Islam is not compatible with
Speaker 1: Western civilization. And with American constitutionalism.
Speaker 2: How do I know?
Speaker 1: Well one? He said up publicly too. We discussed it
Speaker 1: privately all the time in the somewhat infamous Hampton's Retreat,
Speaker 1: infamous only because of Candice and other conspiracy idiots. But
Speaker 1: this retreat that was in early August, I was there
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty people. It was a Save the
Speaker 1: West Strazi chess and featuring Charlie Kirk and Bill Lackman
Speaker 1: and the rest of us. The very first session of
Speaker 1: that retreat was on the individual of Mamdani and Charlie
Speaker 1: Starr that whole retreat by asking me a very provocative question,
Speaker 1: what is an American? And in the context he meant,
Speaker 1: is Zormamdani an American? Could he ever become an American?
Speaker 1: The point that he was ultimately getting at was this
Speaker 1: incompatibility point between Islam and Western civilization. He warrant all
Speaker 1: the time that Islam is taking over not just Western Europe,
Speaker 1: not just Canada, not just Australia, but increasingly of the
Speaker 1: United States as well. He warnant over and over and
Speaker 1: over again that immigration without assimilation is an invasion. And
Speaker 1: he was really, really, really angry, in particular about radical Islam.
Speaker 1: By the way, the attendees of Charlie's own organization in
Speaker 1: Turning One USA at the Anfest conference last weekend, they
Speaker 1: also listed radical Islam as the number one threat to
Speaker 1: the United States. That's what Tucker was as responding to
Speaker 1: in that clip. He's disagreeing with the vast majority of
Speaker 1: the Turning Point conference's own attendees. Tuckery, you can take
Speaker 1: your Islam apology and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Speaker 1: Take it to Al Jazeera, take it to Chank Wigger
Speaker 1: and the young Turks, take it to ms NOW whatever
Speaker 1: they're calling that adult brain network. Take it and get
Speaker 1: it away from the right of center ecosystem because conservatives
Speaker 1: had no tolerance for islam apology. They see what's happening
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, they see what's happening in Dearborn, they see
Speaker 1: what's happening with all too great and increased frequency. They
Speaker 1: see what's happening throughout these United States from sea to
Speaker 1: shine sea, and they don't like it one bit. It's disgusting,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely appalling, and frankly, just what an absolutely horrific,
Speaker 1: horrific quote unquote friend yet again, talker Carlson has proved
Speaker 1: to be to Charlie Kirk, who was emphatically correct about
Speaker 1: the question of Islam and Western civilization and American constitutionalism.
Speaker 1: In other international related news, there are a couple of
Speaker 1: big meetings that Donald Trump has had at mar A Lago.
Speaker 1: He just yesterday met with Vladimir Lensky and some other
Speaker 1: leaders of the Ukrainian delegation. They're at mar A Lago.
Speaker 1: Tough to say exactly what the result was. We don't
Speaker 1: really know exactly which parts they agreed to, which parts
Speaker 1: they do not agree to. For what it's worth, both
Speaker 1: parties seem to be saying more or less the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is that they are in ninety percent agreement. That
Speaker 1: is basically the that I have seen flowed out is
Speaker 1: that they're basically in ninety percent agreement there that there
Speaker 1: is some sliver of information that is not being specified yeat,
Speaker 1: that they are in disagreements over. And this is more
Speaker 1: or less where we've been for some months now. The
Speaker 1: problem is not for lack of trying. By the way, Trump, Kushner, Witcoff,
Speaker 1: the whole team deserves tremendous credit, not just a little
Speaker 1: tremendous credit for trying this hard. When it comes to
Speaker 1: trying to get this Rush Ukraine peace deal, there's a
Speaker 1: pro peace negotiating team. They have gotten peace deals when
Speaker 1: it comes to Thailand and Cambodia, at least initially. Then
Speaker 1: the ceasefire broke. Then they had another seasfire recently in Tiling, Cambodia,
Speaker 1: just over the past week. So they got telling Cambodia seasfire.
Speaker 1: They got an India Pakistan cease fire, these two nuclear
Speaker 1: powers that could have been utterly disastrous. They got Armenia Azerbaijan.
Speaker 1: One that really really really caught me off guard as
Speaker 1: someone who was just in Yerevan, just in Armenia two
Speaker 1: and a half years ago, I saw the conflict up
Speaker 1: close and personal. The fact that it's over in the
Speaker 1: link of an eye, sniber fingers, that is crazy, crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. All sorts of other peace deals as well, Rwanda, Congo,
Speaker 1: the Israel Iran ceasefire that happened for now at least
Speaker 1: after the B two bombers. They are back in June,
Speaker 1: so they're trying really really hard. They Trump food Alaska
Speaker 1: to meet with Putin back in augusts on a Friday,
Speaker 1: to had the military flyover this demonstration of strength with
Speaker 1: the B two bombers. Then the following Monday, went back
Speaker 1: to the White House to me with Georgia Maloney and
Speaker 1: Emmanuel la Crown, a cure starmer, and various other European elites.
Speaker 1: He's trying really, really really hard. Sometimes the ard of
Speaker 1: the deal is just really really hard to do. And
Speaker 1: it's not for lack of trying there. They're trying just
Speaker 1: really really hard. I did see one thing from this
Speaker 1: joint Trump Zelensky presser on Sunday that caught me a
Speaker 1: little off guard. So let's go ahead and watch this
Speaker 1: clip of President Trump talking about of Latimer Pudin's interest
Speaker 1: in seeing Ukraine being made great.
Speaker 6: Russia's gonna be helping Russia wants to see Ukraine succeed once.
Speaker 6: It sounds a little strange, but I was explaining to
Speaker 6: the president. President was very generous in this failing towards
Speaker 6: Ukraine succeeding, including a supplying energy, electricity and other things
Speaker 6: at very low prices. So a lot of good things
Speaker 6: came out of that call today. But they were in
Speaker 6: the works for two weeks with Steve and with Jared
Speaker 6: and Marco and everybody.
Speaker 1: Okay, so look I mean the president doesn't necessarily speak
Speaker 1: in hyper specifics when he talks about these things. There
Speaker 1: maybe there's also translation a little bit. When Putin speaks
Speaker 1: of Ukraine being made great again in success in Ukraine,
Speaker 1: is that success, as Lamar Pun defines him, because last
Speaker 1: I checked, success in Ukraine for Lamar Putin meant the
Speaker 1: restoration of Ukraine to the Greater Russia, of the Mother
Speaker 1: Russia project, the neo Soviet project that he's been more
Speaker 1: or less engaged in for decades now, at least since
Speaker 1: at least since the invasion of Georgia the Republic of
Speaker 1: Georgia in the late Bush Minstration is going on at
Speaker 1: least twenty years now. Pun of course, an old ex
Speaker 1: KGB guy very much has this this Soviet nostalgia when
Speaker 1: it comes to the broader Greater Russia project and all
Speaker 1: the various Soviet satellite states that that once entailed. Look
Speaker 1: Putin at this point is the larger aggressor the larger
Speaker 1: aggressor when it comes to trying to to hinder Russia
Speaker 1: Ukraine piece. Zelenski does still have some work to do,
Speaker 1: he seems, based on what I can tell the tea
Speaker 1: leaves that I can read he seems to have shelved
Speaker 1: for now the idea of Ukraine ascending to the European
Speaker 1: Union and or NATO, or at least putting on the
Speaker 1: back burner. And that is well and good and as
Speaker 1: it should be, because that's not going to happen. My
Speaker 1: working three for years is that NATO went far too
Speaker 1: far and expanding as far east as it did to
Speaker 1: the Baltic states, Latfia, Lithuania. I mean, what are we
Speaker 1: doing here, guys? You know, you know why exactly was
Speaker 1: NATO expanding so far eastward decades after the collapse of
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. It genuinely just didn't make a whole
Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. I'm not blaming NATO for
Speaker 1: the Russia invasion of Ukraine. The person who bears cability
Speaker 1: for that is indeed Laron Putin and the Russians. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that it's not crazy to consider the fact
Speaker 1: that NATO getting ever ever further eastward probably was not
Speaker 1: super helpful, not super conducive towards peace, and frankly was
Speaker 1: somewhat superfluous. And besides the point, so Zelenski's gonna have
Speaker 1: to make some sort of peace when it comes to
Speaker 1: territorial concessions in the Dombasque region of East Ukraine. If
Speaker 1: I had to guess, that's probably the final area of
Speaker 1: substantive major disagreements between Trump and Zelenski. At least, that
Speaker 1: would be my guest.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants something of some sort of international inspection,
Speaker 1: some free enterprise zone, similar to his idea for making
Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip great again. There Again, I'm not entirely
Speaker 1: sure that that's feasible, but certainly doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: what Zelenski wants there. But to be sure, the greater
Speaker 1: obstacle to peace at this time is not necessarily Zelenski.
Speaker 1: It is indeed put him. He's gonna have to reconnize
Speaker 1: once and for all, as he has never done over
Speaker 1: the entire course of this war, that Ukraine is going
Speaker 1: to be an independent country. Okay, he has not recognized that,
Speaker 1: and a lesson. Until he does, unfortunately, is going to
Speaker 1: just keep on dragging and dragging and dragging and dragging on.
Speaker 1: Speaking of dragging on, bim Net Miyahu is meeting with
Speaker 1: Donald Trump at mar Lago Day or miracular. He actually
Speaker 1: met with Donald Trump already earlier today. And let's not
Speaker 1: to say that that situation in Gaza necessarily drags on,
Speaker 1: which it does to extend there, but more generally speaking,
Speaker 1: the Arab Muslim war of aggression against the State of
Speaker 1: Israel and by extension, against all of ustern civilization. This
Speaker 1: has been going on for a very very long time.
Speaker 1: And again, contrary to the historical revisionists from the Illinomar
Speaker 1: left to the tug Carlson quote unquote right, this has
Speaker 1: very little, if anything whatsoever to do with the founding
Speaker 1: of the modern state of Israel in nineteen forty eight. Rather,
Speaker 1: it has to do with the fact that Islam is
Speaker 1: just not in a situation where it exists very comfortably
Speaker 1: with non Islamist forces. There is a reason that the
Speaker 1: flag of Saudi Arabia to this day has a sword
Speaker 1: in the flag there, which is that Mohammed the Prophet
Speaker 1: lived and died by the sword. It's just a very
Speaker 1: very different worldview in that respect than Christianity and Judaism
Speaker 1: for that matter as well. So next Yahu is meeting
Speaker 1: Donald Trump at Mara Lagwoz day, what exactly is he
Speaker 1: trying to do? Well, he's updating the Trump as far
Speaker 1: as his perspective goes on the current status of the
Speaker 1: Iranian threats to recall. Back in June during Operation Midnight Hammer,
Speaker 1: so the Israelis took out a lot of the initial
Speaker 1: infrastructure when it comes to ballistic missiles, when it comes
Speaker 1: to aerial support from the Iranian Air Force, when comes
Speaker 1: to taking out hiring in generals. In the very early
Speaker 1: hours of that war back in June, the Israelis established
Speaker 1: air superiority in shockingly quick time. It was a remarkable
Speaker 1: demonstration actually of intelligence and military prowess. And then the
Speaker 1: US comes in essentially for the coup de gras, for
Speaker 1: the kill shot. At the end. With this thirty seven
Speaker 1: hour mission, these B two bombers fly from Missouri to Iran,
Speaker 1: then fly back to Missouri, and then the ceasefire was
Speaker 1: negotiated very shortly thereafter. So Ever, since then, the big
Speaker 1: question has been what exactly is the status of the
Speaker 1: Iranian Balista missile program and the Iranian nuclear program, And
Speaker 1: we do not know the exact answer that question. What
Speaker 1: we certainly do know is that when Donald Trump likes
Speaker 1: to say again, Donald Trump likes to speak in euphemisms,
Speaker 1: not always the most precise when it comes to his language.
Speaker 1: So when he says that the Iranian NUCO program was
Speaker 1: utterly destroyed. That's classic Trumpian bragadocio. That is classic Trump
Speaker 1: hyperbole that folks who've been following the New York tabloids
Speaker 1: have heard Donald Trump been saying for forty fifty years now.
Speaker 1: It's not really accurate. It was set back a lot,
Speaker 1: certainly for down a Ton's. These various somewhat infamous Iranian
Speaker 1: nuclear and ritrion facilities were dealt a truly, truly lethal blow.
Speaker 1: It was never really disputed that there was other ficile material,
Speaker 1: other amiture uranium that remains iron. Footsworth had a sprawling
Speaker 1: set of nuclear sites. The United States primarily targeted the
Speaker 1: three largest and most well known ones. Above all this
Speaker 1: this infants facility of Forda, which is built into a
Speaker 1: mountain side. So nets Yahuo is in mar Lago's day,
Speaker 1: basically updating Trump as to what Israeli intelligence indicates is
Speaker 1: the current status of Iran's bullist missile and nuclear program. Now,
Speaker 1: now the million dollar question is what is the ask?
Speaker 1: What exactly is nets Yakhu there there to lobby? This
Speaker 1: whole meeting is now happening in the broader context of
Speaker 1: this conversation. If you want to be charitable, that's happening
Speaker 1: not just in the left but also increasingly on the
Speaker 1: rights about the nature of the US Israel alliance. My
Speaker 1: onn solicit advice to nets Nyahu would be that if
Speaker 1: you have a problem that you assessed to be an
Speaker 1: existential threat to your country, as the israelities typically understands
Speaker 1: to be there, act to the best of your abilities,
Speaker 1: as any nation state would, to defend your existence in
Speaker 1: your way of life. Do not necessarily come to make
Speaker 1: gratuitous asks and of another country, even your closest ally.
Speaker 1: Once upon a time, maybe that sort of thing would
Speaker 1: have been viewed okay, And certainly back in June it
Speaker 1: was a little different. There was increasingly obvious intelligence that
Speaker 1: Ron was on the precipice and the brink of a
Speaker 1: nuclear breakout. Okay, but now again I have no idea,
Speaker 1: ask drop like literally no idea. But to the extent
Speaker 1: that it entails asking for direct military support, I'm not
Speaker 1: entirely sure that that is reading the room, reading the
Speaker 1: moment at this time, to the extent that is asking
Speaker 1: for anything less than that when it comes to diplomatic support,
Speaker 1: when it comes to certain arms military whatever. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: I think a much much more reasonable and palatable conversation. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking here necessarily about what is right or
Speaker 1: just just trying to read the room as any real
Speaker 1: politique realist person to try to do. Here it comes
Speaker 1: to what is currently happening not just on the American
Speaker 1: left but increasingly on the American right as well. Now
Speaker 1: having said that, the key point is this, the specifics
Speaker 1: we can kind of quibble about, you know, is actual
Speaker 1: US military aircraft to the XYZ things required. Again, I
Speaker 1: literally have no idea what they're discussing. I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of making stuff up. But the more important point in
Speaker 1: the broader point is this, there is so much misinformation
Speaker 1: about this particular bilateral relationship between the United States and Israel.
Speaker 1: You really do not have to overthink this, guys. It
Speaker 1: actually really is this simple. The United States is number
Speaker 1: one interest in the Middle East is subduing and containing
Speaker 1: the metastasis of the cancer that is radical Islam. The
Speaker 1: easiest way to do that in greatest bang for your
Speaker 1: buck fashion, so as to prevent the United States from
Speaker 1: betting sucked into to more moralistic nation building a rock
Speaker 1: afghanst and style of boondoggles. The easiest way to do
Speaker 1: that is to embolden your allies to do your dirty
Speaker 1: work for you. By the way, guess understands that point,
Speaker 1: President Trump. That's why mister Maga, mister America First, is
Speaker 1: such a staunch supporter of this relationship. I don't, like
Speaker 1: me understand whether there are more people who call themselves
Speaker 1: America First, call them sells Maga don't understand that very
Speaker 1: very very simple point. So, no matter what is discussing
Speaker 1: Marolaga to day, I think that is the broader conceptual
Speaker 1: point to be made there. Again, we will see what
Speaker 1: happens when it comes to the actual X y Z,
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts there, and we will assess it
Speaker 1: certainly on the other side. But for now, hope you
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