1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Now I'd like to bring someone in who makes a 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: whole hell of a lot of sense, who sees this clearly. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Former foreign policy advisor to the Reagan administration Bush and 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump in his first term, Elliott Abrams. Elliot Abrams, 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: thank you so so much for joining us here on 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: the Aaron mollan Show. So excited to get your thoughts, 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: so thank you for being here. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: Sure, my pleasure. Good to see you again. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 3: Your initial reaction when you heard the news. 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 4: Great happiness, delight that finally a president of the United 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 4: States has done what we should have been doing for 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 4: decades while this regime has been killing Americans and Iranians 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 4: and others. 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: Doing it is one thing, but doing it well is 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: another thing. Have they done it well thus far? 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: Thus far? 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 4: Yes, it's a massive attack. It is going to destroy 18 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: their nuclear program completely. It is going to destroy their 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 4: navy and its ability to block the Strait of horr 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 4: Movies in the Persian Gulf. It is going to destroy 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: the vast, vast majority of their missiles and missile launchers. 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 4: So even if the regime survives, it's a different regime. 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 4: It's a much weakened regime and its ability to do harm. 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: They're also going after the means of repression, the Revolutionary Guard, 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: police stations, all of these instruments that were used to 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: kill thousands and probably tens of thousands of Iranians in 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 4: the last two months. So I think the start is 28 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 4: very good. Frankly helped a bit by the Iranians. I 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: mean they've attacked all of their neighbors now, which is extraordinary, 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 4: and so those who are sitting on the fence, you know, 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: are moving in our direction. The British, good example, We've 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 4: started out saying well we can't. Then Cypress, they're based 33 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: in Cypress, was attacked. The harder part, of course, is 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: always the political part at the end. 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: What comes next? But the beginning is exactly. 36 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: Right, beautifully put so, mister Abrams, what comes next? Say 37 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: that the military action is done, the objectives are achieved. 38 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: How does one transition a nation into either a new 39 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: government or a less extreme version of the current existing one. 40 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: If Matti is what will occur. 41 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: I think we will have hit them so hard that, 42 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: you know, there may not be regime change in the 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 4: formal sense, but it'll be a change regime. Whoever is 44 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 4: the so called supreme leader won't really be supreme, you 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 4: won't really have any particular legitimacy. It'll be a very 46 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 4: weak government and country. Can it go further than that? 47 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 4: Can we see the beginnings of a turn completely away 48 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: from the regime toward what the Iranian people want, which 49 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: is to rule themselves. I think that's unclear so far, 50 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: And frankly, the Trump administration has been a little bit 51 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 4: unclear about what its goals are. Sometimes it seems realm 52 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 4: change is it? Other times it's what the Secretary of 53 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 4: Defense said today. It's the nuclear program, it's the missile program. 54 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: It's the terrorist proxies. That's what we want. 55 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 4: So I think you know, this all remains to be seen. 56 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: The President said today to the Iranian people, stay in doors. Yeah, 57 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: won't come out, it's too dangerous. But when the bombing stops, 58 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: I mean a lot of this does. I don't want 59 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: to be cavalier in the way I say this. If 60 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: you ask them to come out and demonstrate, you're asking 61 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 4: them to risk their lives. And we know that the 62 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 4: regime people are murderers. But the President is also right 63 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 4: in saying, ultimately this is for Ranian suicide, that they 64 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 4: will have to take their future in their own hands 65 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 4: and challenge the regime. 66 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Again, the objectives are fascinating, aren't they? And I had 67 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: the Israeli Foreign Minister, Gideon sara On, and I said 68 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: to him, your objectives, Israel's and the US's objectives completely aligned? 69 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: Or is there a situation in which the US may 70 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: achieve their objectives but Israel hasn't and Israel will continue alone? 71 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: And again, very difficult to understand. They're not defining the 72 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: objectives as clearly as i'd like, But I'd imagine you 73 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: have inside experience in administrations. Is that the point for 74 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: them not to be entirely clear so the enemy doesn't understand. 75 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: I think that's right. 76 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: And I think for example, people say, well, why doesn't 77 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: the president say how long this will go? Well, that's ridiculous. 78 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 4: Three more days, it's crazy, And I think you want Sunday. 79 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: It's just so. 80 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: And I think there's an element of that, the question 81 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: of what I would call war aims. Why would you 82 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 4: tell the Iranians, well, you know, we actually would settle 83 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: for X. 84 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: We don't really want why. 85 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 4: Some of that and some of that may be just 86 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 4: you know, let's see where we are in a week 87 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: or this coming weekend and what we think we can get. 88 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: I mean, the Uranians I think made one gigantic mistake 89 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: in attacking all their neighbors, which they did because they thought, ah, 90 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 4: we'll attack them and then all of them will run 91 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: to Trump and say stop the war, stop the war. 92 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 4: And I don't think that's happened. I think it's turned 93 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: them all into enemies who are saying to Trump finished 94 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: them off. 95 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: Yes, spot, it's interesting. 96 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that they had planned this or, as 97 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: their foreign minister intimated in a video, given the leadership 98 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: was kind of killed almost entirely, that there were lots 99 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: of separate entities just basically going go go bomb bomb 100 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: because it just it felt like such an own goal, 101 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: and you've articulated why so brilliantly. 102 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 4: I think that they must have had all these targets, 103 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 4: target packages ready. 104 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: You know, you need to know the exact. 105 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 4: Coordinates of this airport and that site and that site. 106 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: There is a question now, I think about who's giving 107 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: orders and whether the command mechanism is still in place, 108 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: and even if it is in place today, it may 109 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 4: not be in place, you know, in a few more days, 110 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: as more and more the layers are eliminated. But they 111 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 4: must have had a plan. If we get hit, we're 112 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 4: going to hit all of these people. And by the way, 113 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: you know, we're talking about Oman and Cutter, who I 114 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: would have said have been done friendly to this region. 115 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 4: So it is I think this helps demonstrate why this 116 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 4: regime has to go, why it is so dangerous. And 117 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: I would have to say I criticize President Trump for 118 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: one thing. 119 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: So far. 120 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: He has not spoken to the nation. He's done too 121 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: short sort of six seven eight minute social media clips 122 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: on truth social he hasn't done the formal you know, 123 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 4: sitting in the Oval Office speech to the nation. This 124 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: is this is a big military effort, and we've got. 125 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: Six deads so far. 126 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 4: And he, I think is right to say to the 127 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 4: American people right from the start we were going to 128 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: have casualties. 129 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 130 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 4: But and you know, if you think of the Iraq War, 131 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: the Afghanistan war, six is not a large number. But 132 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: these are dead American citizens, sons, fathers, brothers, And I 133 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: think he shouldn't do social media eclipse. 134 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: He should speak to the nation. 135 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: I think, Look, the point you make is very valid. 136 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: And in that first video, that eight minute video, it 137 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: did feel like he was laying out the case for 138 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: Americans as in why we should get involved, But you're right, 139 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: it didn't feel like it was directly to them. And 140 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. It deserves a grander occasion 141 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: because the stakes are so high and lives are being lost. 142 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: I think he's spot on there when you look at say, Qatar, 143 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: and I was reading through the statement that the Foreign 144 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: Ministry had put out, and I mean, it would be 145 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: funny if it wasn't, you know, so serious. But they 146 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: listed all the countries that have been attacked that they 147 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: stood alongside except for Israel, and then talked about how 148 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: abhorrent it is that innocent civilians have been killed. And 149 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: I kind of thought, well, damn, that happened on October seven, 150 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: and you harbored those responsible for the killing of those 151 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: innocent civilians and you didn't give a tinker's cast then. 152 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: But it's so interesting now that you're coppying a little 153 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: bit of heat in the form of missiles and bombs, 154 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: that you suddenly don't think civilians should be brought into 155 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: these kinds of conflicts. 156 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: I think, as we're talking about other countries and their 157 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 4: reactions here, I think we have to say that maybe 158 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: a little bit surprisingly to a lot of Americans, both 159 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: Canada and Australia right from the story made good statements. 160 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 4: I don't think we thought of it. I was a 161 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: little bit, particularly when the British and some others were 162 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: not not very helpful. We have the German Chancellor in 163 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 4: Washington on Tuesday, and I think he'll probably say all 164 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: the right things. 165 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: The French Foreign Minister said we should have debate this, 166 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: we should have debated it what like at a public forum. 167 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 3: I mean that again is ridiculous. 168 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: It is ridiculous, and. 169 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: So is Frankly, the complaints, if I may say this 170 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 4: from the Democrats about this is unlawful and violates the constitution. 171 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: You know, Barack Obama bombed Libya for seven months, Bill 172 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 4: Clinton in the Balkans Serbia, which I supported, but we 173 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 4: didn't have a declaration of war and no Democrats opposed it. 174 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 4: So this is just this is partisanship. I mean Republicans 175 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: do it too, but in this case it's partisanship. I 176 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: think there's one or two Republicans you know, said they're 177 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: against this, but the party has been supportive of the president. 178 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 4: Senator Federalman, a Democratic Pennsylvania very strongly supportive. So it 179 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: is it is an interesting test in a moment like 180 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: this to see what do various allies say and do. 181 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: And sometimes those are two very different things, and what 182 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: they might say to someone privately as opposed to what 183 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: they might put out there publicly. 184 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris said. 185 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: You know, was scathing, and you're dragging Americans into a 186 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: war they don't want. Two years ago, she was identifying 187 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: the Islamic regime of Iran as the greatest threat to America, 188 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: even though I mean Chinese Communist Party. Hello, but I 189 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: mean no shame, no shame whatsoever. 190 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 4: No, just to go back to that speech, I mean, 191 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 4: I think one of one of the reasons the president 192 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: should speak is he has a great case. He did 193 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 4: make it in that video. You're exactly right, but it 194 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 4: needs to be drawn out because. 195 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Not everyone will see that you're right on truth, social 196 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: and on that you're talking about a proper address to 197 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: the nation on every network. 198 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: Yes, right, And then you know, I don't know, somewhere 199 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 4: something like fifty million Americans will watch it, others will. 200 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: She reports of it in the news, and then he 201 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: can lay out, you know, the murder of Americans and 202 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 4: marine barracks in Beirut. Tell the story the murder of 203 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 4: Americans in coolbar towers in Saudi Araia. To tell the 204 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 4: story how many Americans were killed and how many thousands 205 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: more maimed by Iran during the Iraq War. I mean, 206 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 4: tell the whole story of this regime. The efforts to 207 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 4: assassinate well President Trump, State Pompeo in his first term, 208 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 4: John Bolts, the supports of terrorism. How many times have 209 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 4: European governments arrested, expelled Iranian Hibella agents for plotting to 210 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: commit an act of terrorism. I think Americans, particularly young Americans, 211 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 4: don't know some of this and need to hear the story. 212 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: It's such a cause. 213 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: I mean, if you couldn't justify it, you'd avoid it altogether. 214 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: But the beauty here is that it is a very 215 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: strong case, and for most common sense, normal people, they 216 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: will look at it and go, Okay, we get it. 217 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: This is a real threat in real time and we 218 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: had to act. But you've got to make that case, 219 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,239 Speaker 1: and enough people need to see it and hear it. Domestically, 220 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: you've got the midterms coming up. It's interesting. I try 221 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: not to exist in an echo chamber, but I saw 222 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: a report that spoke about social media on x the 223 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: rhetoric regarding this mission, and it was kind of forty 224 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: percent neutral, forty two percent negative, and like four percent positive. 225 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: And I think, as I'm scrolling my feed, all I'm 226 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: seeing are people like me who understand why this matters. 227 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: And it scared me a little bit. I thought, am 228 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: I know that out of touch? And it adds to 229 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: your point. People don't actually really understand and same as proxies, 230 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand how proxies work, or 231 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: that there were Americans in October seven who were killed 232 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: and murdered by proxies directly and controlled. 233 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: And you got to make that out. 234 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: It's a case you can make out if you invest 235 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: the time in telling stories. 236 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 3: That's how you do it. 237 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right about the numbers. They're not good. 238 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 4: I mean there is some initial pulled it really. 239 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: Low levels of support. 240 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 4: Obviously more Republicans than Democrats, but yeah, across the board 241 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: independence not supportive. It's a little bit surprising. If you 242 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: had asked me what the president was going to do, 243 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: I would have said, well, he's built up this great armada, 244 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 4: so he's going to do something. But you know, he 245 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 4: likes these one and done things. Yeah'll hit them once 246 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: and then say let's go back to the table. He's 247 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: not going to do something that takes a week or 248 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 4: two or three or four and risks American debt. Yeah. 249 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: So he's broken all his rules here. He's never done 250 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 4: anything like this before. And that's why I'm that's why 251 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: I'm surprised about it. 252 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: Bridge is a word that gets thrown around a lot, 253 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: and you can't argue that this is going to help 254 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: him domestically. 255 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: It won't. 256 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: This took a lot of courage. 257 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: I believe wholeheartedly this is the right thing to do, 258 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful to him for doing it. 259 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: I'm an Australian as an American. 260 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: Do you look at it in awe almost the courage 261 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: it took for him to pull the trigger, essentially. 262 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 4: Yes, And he was certainly told by the Chairman of 263 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: the drunk chiefs of Staff, this will be difficult, there 264 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 4: will be casualties, this will take a while. And I'm 265 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: again I was surprised that he did it. And I 266 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: think it's an act of responsibility and it's an act 267 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: that will change and I think elevate his position in 268 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 4: history this country. The United States has been under attacked 269 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: from Iran for forty five years. This is the only 270 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: country in the world saying death toll Maria. This is 271 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 4: the country that's been killing Americans and getting away with 272 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: it with impunity for decades. And finally there is a 273 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 4: president who says this is going to stop. We're going 274 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 4: to put an end to it. And I think that's 275 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 4: I agree with your words. 276 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: Courageous Secretary of War said this is a war we 277 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: didn't start, but we will finish it. 278 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: And he's spot on. 279 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: Final question, Elliott, before I let you go China, I'd 280 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: love your insight into I mean, I think between twenty 281 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: and thirty percent of their oil from Venezuela and Iran 282 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: at fairly cheap prices as well. What does this asay 283 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: to China regarding its intentions to retake Taiwan and be 284 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: how do they look at an America post this maybe 285 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: compared to how they previously would have viewed the Trump administration. 286 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that they were all that impressed 287 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 4: by Venezuela because it was a one day deal. Impressed yes, 288 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: by the ability of the United States to do a 289 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 4: complex action like that, but it's you know, not all 290 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: that far from the US. 291 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: It's in our hemisphere. This is different. 292 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 4: This is a reminder that the US is not only 293 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: a global power, but the only real global power, with 294 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 4: an extraordinary military and a president who is willing to fight. 295 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: They might have thought he'll never do anything on Taiwan 296 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 4: because it's so. 297 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: He doesn't do that. 298 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 4: He does one day deals, you know, and never risks 299 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: any American lives. Now they know that's not true. So 300 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 4: they've got, I think, to recalculate. We are global power, 301 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: and the presidents have shown that he's willing to act. 302 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 4: So I would think the Chinese got to recalculate. And 303 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 4: this hurts them, of course, as did Venezuela. These are 304 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 4: their two main sources, as you said, or two of 305 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 4: their main sources of oil, and they're getting it at 306 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 4: a hefty discount. 307 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: And I mean now for a while they. 308 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 4: Won't be getting any from Venezuela or from Iran. 309 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: Of weeks. 310 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: But I would think what people outside of Asia, Unfortunately 311 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 4: this may not apply to Australia. Certainly outside of Asia, 312 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 4: people have seen what the Chinese are willing and able 313 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 4: to do for their friends and allies. 314 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: Nothing. 315 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: Nothing, because the same way with America. 316 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: It's one thing to have the capability, but the willingness 317 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: to use it is an entirely different kettle of fish. 318 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: And you're right, they haven't come to anyone's aid. They've 319 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: just been like. 320 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 3: Take care of yourselves. 321 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: True. 322 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: So it significantly not only does it change the way 323 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: they view the US, it changes significantly the way their 324 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: allies view them. 325 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: And I would I would think, and I would hope 326 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 4: that for countries in Asia, Australia, but Japan and South Korea, Philippines, 327 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: that when they look at China and the US and 328 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 4: wonderer if if in the worst of cases, the US 329 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 4: would act, would come to their aid, I would think 330 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: they feel a lot better this week than they did 331 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 4: a week ago. 332 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: Great point, Great point, Elliot Arams. 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