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Speaker 1: Studio West. Most of today's program, and all of this

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Speaker 1: monologue is going to be about President Donald Trump's national

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Speaker 1: security strategy, which I believe is a realism based strategy.

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Speaker 1: What is in America's best interest? What can he do

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Speaker 1: to advance it? How does he advance it within the

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Speaker 1: envelope of not creating excessive risk for the American military

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Speaker 1: and the American people. You've got a great group of advisors.

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Speaker 1: He obviously trusts his Vice President. He obviously trusts Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State Ribio, he obviously trusts Secretary of the War

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Speaker 1: I'm not used to saying it yet, heg Seth and

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Speaker 1: the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff Kane. That's

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Speaker 1: the core group, all right, That's the cored group. And

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Speaker 1: he's got a great UN ambassador and Michael Waltz to

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Speaker 1: project his policy pronouncements out to the world. What do

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Speaker 1: I think is happening? Well, I think he's assessing how

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Speaker 1: does he hurt the mulas, how does he hurt the

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Speaker 1: regime such that it collapses? And Yesterday's big development is

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Speaker 1: he kind of walked back his talk of the last

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Speaker 1: week We could go. He was on this program and

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Speaker 1: said if the Iranians killed their people, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get involved. And he doubled down on that with Sean Hannity,

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Speaker 1: and he said on true social help is on the

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Speaker 1: way and make it on great again, and he talked

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Speaker 1: about it with Tony de Gopul and then yesterday said

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Speaker 1: we've been told the killings of stopped and there won't

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Speaker 1: be execution. So a lot of Trump critics want to

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Speaker 1: accuse him of being feckless and erratic. I want to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, wait a minute, what else happened yesterday? He

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Speaker 1: turned the Lincoln Strike Group left. It is in the

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Speaker 1: South China Sea. It's a lot of firepower. It's an

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Speaker 1: it's going to take I think ten days to get

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Speaker 1: to the Middle East. Why does that matter because I

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Speaker 1: fully expect if we hit Iran, they're going to unload

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Speaker 1: on our air base at Gutter and on our allies

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Speaker 1: or wherever they are American air bases or American service

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Speaker 1: people in Iraq, and especially on our ally Israel. And

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Speaker 1: if they do that, their ballistic missile arsenal is full.

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Speaker 1: Their nuclear program has been obliterated by President Trump. If

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Speaker 1: they do that, we need more firepower in the golf. Now.

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Speaker 1: We sent a lot of the firepower that we had

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Speaker 1: to take out Maduro and did That's a very good thing.

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Speaker 1: I talked about the reality based foreign policy of Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump on America's Newsroom this morning with Dana Prino. Here

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Speaker 1: is that.

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Speaker 2: Clip and join us now.

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Speaker 3: As boxing contributor and radio host Hugh hewittt, I don't

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Speaker 3: think that they really felt like they got what they

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Speaker 3: were looking for from the Danish side. Listened to the

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Speaker 4: We will now set up this high leveled working group

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Speaker 4: to explore whether there's a way for what where we

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Speaker 4: concerned and still respect of course the terry shall integrity

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Speaker 4: of the Kingdom of Stenla and the green Dandi people's

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Speaker 3: So in a way, we're just at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: these conversations and President Trump came out hot. They came

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Speaker 3: out hot. Do you think that there ultimately will be

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Speaker 1: I do, Dan, We said, good morning. The United States

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Speaker 1: began talking about Greenland the first Trump term, and it's

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Speaker 1: And the key here is there is an exclusive economic

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Speaker 1: hypersonic missions, missiles, and they have an enormous fishing fleet,

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Speaker 1: and wherever their enormous fishing fleet go, they overfish they

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Speaker 1: Chinese fishing fleet is something Denmark cannot do. They only

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Speaker 1: not equipped to defend Greenland. They're only sixty thousand people

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Speaker 1: It's very serious. I know Denmark got its back up

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Speaker 5: Hugh, I just want to show everybody.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to Venezuela. But can you pull

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Speaker 3: This is a map of the Arctic Circle and it

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Speaker 3: shows military posts of China, Russia, the US, and Europe.

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Speaker 3: And to me, this helps visualize what the President is

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Speaker 1: I agree, Dana, because the hypersonic missile threat, they'll come

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Speaker 1: over the pole, and that means we need our forward

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Speaker 1: deter that kind of long range We're not talking decades here.

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Speaker 1: The Chinese think in terms of centuries, the Russians and

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Speaker 1: generations Americans used to think in terms of decades. I

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Speaker 1: he's thinking is a realist and the Danes just have

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Speaker 1: to figure it out. There's six million people. They're good friends.

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Speaker 1: We love going to Copenhagen. We can be buddies. But

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Speaker 1: the realities of the world are that China is a

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Speaker 1: That's the reality. And I praise Donald Trump for dealing

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Speaker 1: but the reality of the world is dream ought to

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Speaker 3: In addition, the Danes and the rest of Europe are

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Speaker 3: out of existence. One last quick question for you. President

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Speaker 3: looking for out of this meeting today?

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Speaker 1: Regime evolution. We're not into regime change, if not Iran,

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Speaker 1: where we want regime collapse. We want regime evolution. But

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Speaker 1: the people who replaced Maduro they're bad people too, but

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Speaker 1: frequent elections. It's a good step forward for the President

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Speaker 1: to be meeting with Ms Machado. The Nopel Prize.

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Speaker 5: Laureate should always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: We covered Greenland and we covered Venezuela, and we didn't

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Speaker 1: But there's a coherent national security policy coming from the

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Speaker 1: Oval Office for the first time since President Trump left,

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Speaker 1: the Biden years were incoherent. Secretary Biden, National Security Advisor Sullivan.

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Speaker 1: It was based on the fantasy that everybody is nice

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Speaker 1: at heart and nobody wants to mow down civilians. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what. The mulas mowed down thousands of people in

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Speaker 1: the students from Parkland afterwards, just imagine a regime setting

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Speaker 1: they did over the last week. Not surprisingly, they're not

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Speaker 1: best End was on NEWSMAC last night and he said,

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Speaker 1: we're watching them, the Mulahs, the regime, the IRGC move

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Speaker 1: their regime cannot stand up. Because the reality, even if

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Speaker 1: put his credibility on the line, doesn't mean he has

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Speaker 1: You got to get your ducks in order. He've got

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Speaker 1: Chairman Kane. If Chairman Kane says to him, we can

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Speaker 1: get Maduro and we're going to practice getting Maduro, and

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Speaker 1: we set up Maduro's compound and we practice practice, practice,

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Speaker 1: and we have this weather window. And the Chairman says go,

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Speaker 1: But he's not about replacing the regime. He's about regime

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Speaker 1: if he can help collapse it, great. He's also a realist, no,

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Speaker 1: one with the Iran, that sends a message, don't kill

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Speaker 1: and you want to let our airbellot everything else. Smoking mirrors,

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Speaker 1: don't tell me he's bait and switched and let down

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Speaker 1: the Iranian people. We don't know that. We won't know

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Speaker 1: just being crafty Donald Trump again. More coming up Norah Rothman.

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Speaker 1: This hour, I'm talking with Eliana Johnson. I got a

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Speaker 1: great group of guests Michael Knowles, Alex Gray in the

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Speaker 1: second hour, Senator Shelley Moore, Capito, Set Mendel, Jim Garrett

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Speaker 1: focused on Iran. On today's Hush, A show saved that, Kay,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm Hugh Hewittt, joined by Noah C. Rothman,

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Speaker 1: Senior editor at National Review. No. And nothing happened in Iran,

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Speaker 1: at least nothing that the United States wanted to make

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Speaker 1: visible happen in Iran last night. The marchers have been cowed.

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Speaker 1: Thousands have been murdered by a ruthless regime, thousands more imprisoned.

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Speaker 1: No public executions, one that was scheduled did not come off.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is happening? I have my own view,

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Speaker 1: but let's hear yours first.

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Speaker 6: I think the regime has demonstrated that it has no

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Speaker 6: The stakes are higher for them than they are for us,

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Speaker 6: And I just think we're flittering away time. That is

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Speaker 6: So we're demonstrating against the government and are demonstrating in

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Speaker 1: An I run nosc Rothman of National Review. Thank You'll

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Speaker 1: be right back in America. That do. Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doohwett. Joined now by Eleana Y. Johnson, editor in

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Speaker 1: chief of the Washington Free Bacon, contributor to the Commentary podcast,

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Speaker 1: longtime friend of the program, Eliana, you and the commentary

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Speaker 1: gang were in my ears. I went up the implacable

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Speaker 7: Done, you know, Hugh, I'm sympathetic to your point here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what I think, Eliana, and I thought

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Speaker 1: I heard impatience, especially from Christine and Abe. John was

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Speaker 1: and you were being very realistsessed with being very realist.

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Speaker 1: But who was your national security professor at Yale? What

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Speaker 8: His name was Professor Charles Hill.

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Speaker 7: He passed away a few years ago, but he was

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Speaker 7: I recommend to your listeners a book about him by

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Speaker 7: Molly Worthin, who was a fellow student of mine at

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Speaker 7: on Whom Nothing was Lost.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's fabulous. I didn't know about the Man upon

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Speaker 1: How do we defend them? How do we do it

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Speaker 1: of this regime over the last week. Good thing they

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Speaker 1: use them. Now we have to start thinking about their

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Speaker 1: ballistic missiles, and we have to start thinking about the

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Speaker 1: fact that if we hit them, we want the Lincoln

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Speaker 1: carriers right group there to help Israel defend while Israel

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Speaker 1: methodically reduces the missile capacity like they did in June

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Speaker 1: during the Twelve Day War. I just thought Christina and

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Speaker 1: Abe were perhaps a little judgmental. The President has gone

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Speaker 1: out on a limb. He said, help is on the way.

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Speaker 1: Me guy, he said all those he sat him on

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Speaker 1: the show last week. He's led people to believe he's

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Speaker 1: going to do something. But the time frame, I just

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Speaker 1: think we've got to be I might say on March fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: Saint Patrick Bay, I'm very disappointed in Donald Trump, But

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Speaker 1: not yet am I being too forgiving?

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 7: Look, I'm with you on this, but I think you

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Speaker 7: can argue it both ways. He did seemingly draw a

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Speaker 7: to do. He said, if they continue to mow down protesters,

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Speaker 7: we are going to act. We won't allow it to happen.

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Speaker 7: And he said help is on the way. I would

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Speaker 7: note you you noted that the USS Lincoln is being

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Speaker 7: relocated from the South China Sea to the Middle East.

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Speaker 7: One important piece of information that we learned today is

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Speaker 7: that Israel has pressed the United States. This is reporting

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Speaker 7: accurate that is, but that Prime Minister and Nott and

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Speaker 7: Yahoo spoke with both the President and the Vice President

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Speaker 7: yesterday reportedly and asked them to wait on any military action.

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Speaker 7: I think that's an important piece of information. And also

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Speaker 7: that Treasury Secretary Scott Besson announced sanctions and a fresh

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Speaker 7: round of sanctions through the Office of Foreign Assets Control,

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Speaker 7: designating eighteen people who oversee the country's security forces in

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Speaker 7: the law enforcement forces in Iran and the IRGC, including

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Speaker 8: There the guy who went on.

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Speaker 7: Brettbaar and was talking tough, and that is intended to

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Speaker 7: inflict further economic damage on the regime. So both of

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Speaker 7: those pieces of information suggests to me that we're in

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Speaker 7: the middle of something, not at the end of something. Look,

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Speaker 7: we could be wrong, but I think it's complicated, and

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Speaker 7: I'm sympathetic to where Trump is on them. I think

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Speaker 7: the regime has been humiliated, it's broke, it's isolated, it's

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Speaker 7: been humiliated militarily economically, and.

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Speaker 8: Trump is trying to be judicious in the action that

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Speaker 8: he does take. If he acts, I think he wants

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Speaker 8: it to be decisive, and that's hard.

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Speaker 10: I figure out how to do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to phrase it. I think we're at the

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Speaker 1: end of the beginning. We're not in the middle yet,

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Speaker 1: because it takes carrier groups ten days to three weeks

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Speaker 1: to get where they're going to go, So the end

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Speaker 1: of the beginning. I also wanted to write, if Raisin

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Speaker 1: kin comes back to him, I think he relies on

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Speaker 1: the Vice President Secretary of Heseth Rubio, Michael Walts a

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Speaker 1: lesser extent, and Raisin Kane, and if they come to

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Speaker 1: him and say we need two or four week but

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Speaker 1: if Netanyahu says we need a month they're going to

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Speaker 1: give him a month because they're in the ballistic missile path,

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Speaker 1: that's the trajectory. They hit Israel more than they hit US. Lock.

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Speaker 1: I want a quick question, do you think we should

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Speaker 1: blow up carg Island. I don't know that that oil

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Speaker 1: helps the Iranian people at all. It only helps China.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't that on the target list?

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Speaker 7: I have to say, Hugh, I'm not in the weeds

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Speaker 7: enough to be able to say we should hit this

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Speaker 7: target or that target. You're asking the wrong person there.

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Speaker 7: I would be pretending to expertise that I don't have.

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Speaker 7: I will leave that to Raisin Kane. But I did

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Speaker 7: think that the piece of information that BB leaned on

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Speaker 7: the president and asked him to wait was important because

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Speaker 7: it is BB who identified the ballistic missiles, not just

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Speaker 7: the nuclear program, as an existential threat to Israel a

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Speaker 7: couple of months ago, when Israel and the US went

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Speaker 7: after the nuclear program.

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Speaker 1: And if they are reloading the aero capacity, if they're

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Speaker 1: reloading David's sling, and there are some reports I've read

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Speaker 1: in the Israeli English language press that that's not quite

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Speaker 1: reloaded yet, but that would that would doubly make your

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Speaker 1: point eli On and y Johnson. Good to hear you

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Speaker 1: on the commentary podcast. Everyone should be reading the Washington

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Speaker 1: Frint Facon. We'll talk to you again soon. Don't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere America. I'm Cutewett, even Grace America. I'm Huewett from

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Speaker 1: the Relief Factor Studio West. Please to welcome Michael Knowles.

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Speaker 1: So you know from the Daily Wire podcast that his

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Speaker 1: name is on Michael Welcome. I want everyone to go

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Speaker 1: to the Michael Knowles podcast. I want to know though.

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Speaker 1: At the top, I just had Elianna Johnson on, She's

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Speaker 1: a Yale like you. She took Charles Hill. Did you

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Speaker 1: take Charles Hill when you were Yale?

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Speaker 11: But of course I did, Hugh, there were only about

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Speaker 11: two and a half Republican conservative professors at Yale, and

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Speaker 11: Charles Hill truly a great man of blessed memory. I

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Speaker 11: think now there are negative two and a half Republican

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Speaker 11: professors at Yale, so ave I.

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Speaker 1: Guess, yeah, well I am. I'm glad you did, because

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Speaker 1: that means you had a real, uber realist foreign policy

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Speaker 1: national security profession like Eliana. As an uber realist myself,

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Speaker 1: I want to know what Michael Knowles thinks about what

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has said to me, to Sean Andity, to

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Speaker 1: Tony da koppol on x on post It, on True

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Speaker 1: Social about Iran, what do you think is going on?

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Speaker 1: Did he bait and switch or are we at the

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Speaker 1: end of the beginning or at the end of the end?

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Speaker 1: What do you think is going on?

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Speaker 11: You know, President Trump's realism is something that I think

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Speaker 11: has confounded a lot of even his supporters because of

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Speaker 11: this phrase America First, which some people, especially very ideological people,

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Speaker 11: took to mean that Trump would only focus on the

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Speaker 11: home front. But that obviously isn't what he did. I mean,

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Speaker 11: even going back to the first term, he drops the

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Speaker 11: moab speaking of Iran, He kills Suldamani all the way

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Speaker 11: up to recent events in Venezuela. So obviously what he

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Speaker 11: wants is to project American strength around the world. And

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Speaker 11: I think what he wants to do is just do

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Speaker 11: it in a peep way. So you know, maybe Venezuela

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Speaker 11: is the best way to look at this. President Trump

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Speaker 11: carried out the Biden Harris policy, which was the Haresy

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Speaker 11: the policy, rather going all the way back to the

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Speaker 11: Bush administration, which was that the Chavez and then Maduro

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Speaker 11: regimes were unacceptable, so we want to get rid of

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Speaker 11: these guys. He just he did it in a way

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Speaker 11: that Biden couldn't do it, and he did it by

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Speaker 11: saving twenty five million dollars along the way. I think

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Speaker 11: that's that's what you're seeing play out with Iran. You know,

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Speaker 11: I'm not the first person to observe he is trying

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Speaker 11: to be unpredictable. I think that's a feature, not a bug,

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Speaker 11: of his foreign policy. However, you know, it is very telling.

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Speaker 5: I thought that.

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Speaker 11: H A Hazoni on Twitter, one of your Mazzoni's sons,

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Speaker 11: made a great point about this, which is, you know,

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Speaker 11: there are many people who are hoping for the toppling

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Speaker 11: of the regime in Iran.

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Speaker 5: It is far from clear though, what will.

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Speaker 11: Happen after that occurs, and whether or not that would

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Speaker 11: actually be good for Israel, whether or not that would

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Speaker 11: actually be good for the United States. And so you know,

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Speaker 11: obviously Trump's policy has been one of maximum pressure. What

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Speaker 11: comes next, you know, remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: See I am I'm agreement with you. I'm just not

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Speaker 1: ready to condemn the president for bait and switch, because

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Speaker 1: I think it takes time to set up like it

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Speaker 1: took two months to get ready to grab Maduro. It's

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Speaker 1: going to take some time to help us on the

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Speaker 1: way to Iran doesn't have a date stamp on it.

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Speaker 1: And if Eleanna Johnson is correct, and sources in Israel

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Speaker 1: are saying Prime Minister Netanyah who asked the President to delay,

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Speaker 1: I believe that General Kin probably said we're not ready yet.

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Speaker 1: Let's get the Lincoln there. And so I just think

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Speaker 1: we're at the beginning of Ron part two. Let me

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Speaker 1: talk to you about Greenland because I was on Fox

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Speaker 1: News this morning with Dana Perino and they asked me

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Speaker 1: about Greenland and my point of view. I know you

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Speaker 1: did your podcast about it today, but I haven't heard

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Speaker 1: it yet. I've been in my own studio. My point

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Speaker 1: of view is it's three times the size of Texas.

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Speaker 1: It's got sixty thousand people on it, ninety five percent

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Speaker 1: of whom are Intuit natives and five percent of seven

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Speaker 1: percent of whom are Danes. Denmark is fine. They're a

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Speaker 1: lovely ally. They sent eighteen thousand troops to Afghanistan with US.

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Speaker 1: They're part of NATO. They cannot defend the exclusive economic

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Speaker 1: zone around the Greenland. Enormous island twenty seven thousand miles

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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty miles out to sea is their

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Speaker 1: exclusive economic zone. We need that to keep the Chinese

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Speaker 1: from fishing it out, and we need that for Golden Dome.

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Speaker 1: So we should get it, and the Danes should say

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. What do you use that?

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Speaker 5: I agree entirely, Hugh.

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Speaker 11: And you know President Trump has articulated this from the

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Speaker 11: Oval Office. He said, yes, the Danes are, you know,

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Speaker 11: threatening to double their security.

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Speaker 5: They're going to add an extra dog sled.

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Speaker 11: I also thought it was charming when mister Macron said

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Speaker 11: that he was going to be sending French forces to,

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Speaker 11: you know, I don't know, carry out some exercises with

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Speaker 11: the Danes. I happen to have the flag of the

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Speaker 11: French yard meet.

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Speaker 5: With you right here.

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Speaker 11: You know, none of us are terribly quaking in our boots,

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Speaker 11: I think because of that.

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Speaker 5: But furthermore, the whole framing is ridiculous.

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Speaker 11: This isn't even a hostile action against Denmark or against

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Speaker 11: Frans or NATO or Europe or anything like that. The

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Speaker 11: simple fact is we're the United States. We are the

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Speaker 11: protectors of the Free World. We certainly, as a cornerstone

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Speaker 11: of American foreign policy, protect the Western hemisphere, and we

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Speaker 11: just cannot allow our adversaries to take advantage in Greenland. So,

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Speaker 11: you know, if Hamlet hadn't fallen, you know, if Denmark

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Speaker 11: had remained a really strong power, then maybe we wouldn't

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Speaker 11: have to do this. But we do, and we're going

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Speaker 11: to do it, and I hope everyone gets on board

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Speaker 11: because really this is helpful to the entire West.

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Speaker 1: Well, what makes me crazy is that everyone wants and

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Speaker 1: I am a big fan of NATO. I want us

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Speaker 1: to be deeply involved in NATO. I wanted them to

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Speaker 1: get to two percent. The President got him there. I

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Speaker 1: want them to get to five percent. You're going to

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Speaker 1: get them there. We're sending weapons to Ukraine. I'm in

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Speaker 1: favor of that. But if they need us this much,

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Speaker 1: can they please just shut up about Greenland because they

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Speaker 1: can't keep the Chinese fishing fleet out. They've got twenty

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Speaker 1: ships in Denmark and people don't know the Chinese go

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Speaker 1: around the world with the largest fishing fleet in the

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Speaker 1: world and they fish out entire region like they almost

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Speaker 1: killed the galapgos off. Does your audience know that they're

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Speaker 1: just predatory.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 11: There are probably some people in the audience, especially the zoomers,

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Speaker 11: who are a little more fluid on their politics, who

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Speaker 11: might not recognize that we do have adversaries around the world.

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Speaker 11: I think sometimes people they get too ideologically abstract and

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Speaker 11: in some ways this is a foreign operation. You saw

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Speaker 11: it online with you know, ops from Russia in particular,

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Speaker 11: to try to ideologize everything. But the fact is Russia

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Speaker 11: has a bunch of missiles pointed at US, and China

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Speaker 11: is our chief geopolitical adversary, and politics is about more

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Speaker 11: than abstractions and ideas on paper. It's about resources, it's

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Speaker 11: about geography, it's about proximity, it's about oil in fact,

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Speaker 11: and it's about fishing for that matter. And so, you know,

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Speaker 11: getting back to a very realistic foreign policy. Trump gets that,

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Speaker 11: and he's blunt about it, you know. And so he's

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Speaker 11: been talking about this for a very long time. People

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Speaker 11: wrote him off initially. It's been the policy of the

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Speaker 11: US State Department since the middle of the nineteenth century

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Speaker 11: to acquire Greenland.

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Speaker 5: Trump once again just seems like the guy who's actually

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Speaker 5: going to do it.

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Speaker 1: So two minutes Michael, your assessment of what has happened

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Speaker 1: to the left. They are going in my view over

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Speaker 1: the left, Cliff, I think they're bringing along all the

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Speaker 1: old moderates that they had left, and that a few

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Speaker 1: of them are saying, what in the world is going on?

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Speaker 1: But they are just fully committed to AOC land, and

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Speaker 1: it's a fantasy land of Ben Roads and Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: and John Carrey. And we can't throw them a rope

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Speaker 1: because they're in't enough rope in the world to get

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Speaker 1: them to climb back to reality.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, this joke that somehow the Dems are going to moderate.

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Speaker 11: You saw Gavin Newsom try this to me. He's the

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Speaker 11: canary in the coal mine. He launched that podcast and

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Speaker 11: he said, you know what, I'm going to become friends

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Speaker 11: with Charlie Kirk, I'm going to become friends with Steve Bannon.

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Speaker 11: I'm going to position myself as a Bill Clinton for

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Speaker 11: the twenty twenties. And what happened five seconds later, He's

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Speaker 11: up to his old tricks. He's calling Stephen Miller a fascist.

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Speaker 11: He says he wants to see more trans kids. One

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Speaker 11: of the most psychotic utterances I've ever heard from an

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Speaker 11: American politician. He just realized that that wasn't going to work,

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Speaker 11: and so I'm gleeful about it.

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Speaker 5: It's too bad for my old city in New York.

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Speaker 11: Feel bad for those guys out there up in mom Donnastan,

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Speaker 11: But that's the way their party is going, and it

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Speaker 11: gives a lot of leeway for the Republicans. Never underestimate

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Speaker 11: the ability of a Republican to clutch defeat from the

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Speaker 11: jaws of victory. But right now our opponents are putting

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Speaker 11: us in a good spot now.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's podcast reminds me of Ben Shapiro as editor

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Speaker 1: of Politico Playbook. It lasted like a day because the

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Speaker 1: left hat accommodated. They I really don't know how to

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Speaker 1: sit down and have an argument. And in my day,

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Speaker 1: I'm older than you know, I'm a generation ahead of you.

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Speaker 1: But your day, I'll bet you had some sort of

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Speaker 1: sane liberals Henry Jackson liberals, Scoop Jackson liberals at Yale.

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Speaker 1: Were they in existence? In your day?

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Speaker 11: There were still, you know, some fleeting few. In fact,

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Speaker 11: I have a debate show. We filmed one of them

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Speaker 11: last night, called bar Fight, and we had one guy

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Speaker 11: who's trying to position himself as a moderate Democrat.

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Speaker 5: Adam Mockler.

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Speaker 11: He goes on CNN a fair a bit and he

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Speaker 11: kept trying to make the Democratic Party seem much more

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Speaker 11: moderate and reasonable. But we had another liberal on the panel,

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Speaker 11: and when he would do it, I'd say, hey, hold on,

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Speaker 11: I want to check this. Do you really believe that

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Speaker 11: as a Democrat, and just would get smacked down every time.

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Speaker 1: It is bar fight a podcast or is it a

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Speaker 1: only YouTube? For the video? Where do we find Bobcat?

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Speaker 5: I think as of now it's only been released on YouTube.

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Speaker 5: But you make a good point view.

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Speaker 11: I think we got to get it out there all

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Speaker 11: over the place and maybe reveal where the fissures really lie.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I love that idea, because if you can find

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Speaker 1: even remotely comprehensible leftists, I would like to hear them

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Speaker 1: try and defend the people to their left, which cannot

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Speaker 1: be done, as you say in mom Donistan. Michael, good

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Speaker 1: to have you on. Michael Doles and I met up

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Speaker 1: in a green room and I said, it's been two

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Speaker 1: while we just got to get you on. Thank you, Michael.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America. I'm coming back with Alex Gray

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Speaker 1: CEO of American Global Strategies. He was the chief of

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Speaker 1: staff in Trump one on the National Security Council. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to him about carg Island. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk to him about Iran. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: to him about how long it takes to position American

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Speaker 1: assets for anything remotely approaching a big strike on Iran.

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Speaker 1: So always talked to the experts stud into the ugu

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Speaker 1: of it. Welcome back to America. I'm you Hewitt, joined

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Speaker 1: now by Alex Gray. Alex is the CEO of American

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Speaker 1: Global Strategies. In the first Trump term, he was the

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Speaker 1: chief of Staff at the National Security Council under our friend,

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Speaker 1: Ambassador Robert O'Brien. Alex, welcome. I have been talking NonStop

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Speaker 1: about Iran and what did not happen last night an

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Speaker 1: American strike, and whether or not we should draw any

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Speaker 1: conclusions from that, And into that picture came more information

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Speaker 1: today that the Lincoln Strike Group has begun to be

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Speaker 1: deployed to the Middle East, and Prime Minister Netty always

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Speaker 1: asked Donald Trump to slow down a little bit. What's

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Speaker 1: your assessment of this situation? Yeah, thanks, Hugh.

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Speaker 9: I think the President's got two things going for him.

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Speaker 9: One is ambiguity. You know, we always associate strategic ambiguity

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Speaker 9: with Taiwan. But as you know well, the President has

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Speaker 9: said for years one of the things he admires about

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Speaker 9: President Nixon was the madman theory. And he loves the

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Speaker 9: fact that leaders don't know what he's going to do.

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Speaker 9: And he's demonstrated, whether it was Midnight Hammer in the

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Speaker 9: summer or it was the Caracas operation, he has reinjected

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Speaker 9: that element of uncertainty into our global posture and it

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Speaker 9: keeps adversaries like a wrong on their toes. So he's

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Speaker 9: got that going for him. The second thing he has

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Speaker 9: is he's restored to terrence just because of the operations

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Speaker 9: I mentioned, the successful terrorist strikes against terrorists that he's

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Speaker 9: done since he came back, since from his first term.

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Speaker 9: That the president doesn't pull us punches. There's no more

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Speaker 9: Afghanistan debacle, there's no more failure of deterrence in Ukraine.

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Speaker 9: Between those two things and the return of ambiguity and

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Speaker 9: the return of deterrence, I think we have a situation

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Speaker 9: where the Iranians are taking a much more measured approach

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Speaker 9: than we have seen them take to previous protests.

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Speaker 1: Now there are thousands of people alleged to be dead

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Speaker 1: in Iran, and they stop doing it last night. If

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Speaker 1: whatever Little gets out of Iran is correct, we really

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Speaker 1: don't know because they've been blacked out. I have been

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Speaker 1: arguing that we can't draw any conclusions about President Trump's

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Speaker 1: promises on this show last week to Sean Hannity, to

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Speaker 1: Tony da Koppol and on True Social because there's just

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Speaker 1: not enough time to stage something. You were there at

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Speaker 1: the National Security How long would it take to stage

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Speaker 1: the assets you need to make a meaningful strike on

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Speaker 1: the Iranian regime that would in any way advanced America's

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Speaker 1: national interest or help the protesters because he said help

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Speaker 1: is on the way.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, Hugh, it doesn't take really, it doesn't

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Speaker 9: take that much, depending on what you're trying to accomplish. Now,

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Speaker 9: is it a demonstration effect? Is he going to use

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Speaker 9: this as an opportunity to degrade regime targets that are

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Speaker 9: used for repression. Is he going to use it as

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Speaker 9: an opportunity to go after leadership targets? Is he going

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Speaker 9: to try and go after Is this aimed at the

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Speaker 9: missile program and elements of the nuclear program that maybe

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Speaker 9: survive Midnight Hammer. I mean, where he's actually focused is

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Speaker 9: going to determine to a great extent what type of

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Speaker 9: assets are needed. I would be very much remiss, Hugh,

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Speaker 9: if I didn't mention the fact that a lot of

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Speaker 9: these assets stage out of the American base at Diego

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Speaker 9: Garcia in the Indian Ocean. This week the British House

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Speaker 9: of Lords was actually debating whether to turn that base

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Speaker 9: the island that base sits on over to the nation

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Speaker 9: of Mauritius, which is a Chinese influenced country, heavily influenced

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Speaker 9: by the Chinese Communist Party. That is a very real

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Speaker 9: threat to the type of asset allocation that you're talking

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Speaker 9: about here. But long story short, depending on the target,

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Speaker 9: we can put a lot of potential assets in place

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Speaker 9: relatively quickly.

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Speaker 1: The Abraham Lincoln and the strike group with it has

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Speaker 1: been redirected from the South China state to the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: About how long does that take, Alex Gray? I don't

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Speaker 1: know how fast carriers go, or how long it takes

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Speaker 1: to get a carrier strike group, or how the fastest

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Speaker 1: ship leads. What's your estimate two.

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Speaker 9: Weeks depending on how quickly you're willing to move them

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Speaker 9: and if you're willing to spend the resource, you're willing

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Speaker 9: to spend the money, you're willing to steam them at

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Speaker 9: their fastest speed, Probably about a week.

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Speaker 2: If you want to do it.

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Speaker 9: If you have an exceeding circumstance, I think you do

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Speaker 9: about a week.

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Speaker 1: All right. Now. The next thing I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you is about carg Island. And I've tried a couple

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Speaker 1: of people thus far and they've waved me off. I've

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Speaker 1: got Michael duran coming on next week, who can tell

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Speaker 1: me about it? Does carg Island benefit the people of

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Speaker 1: Iran in any way? It benefits the regime. They sell

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Speaker 1: their oil through carg Island. It goes to China, so

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Speaker 1: it helps China. Is it a legitimate target or is

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Speaker 1: it something we had to say no, we can't do

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Speaker 1: that for ab and C reasons.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I wouldn't rule out at this point. I wouldn't

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Speaker 9: take things off the list because the goal here, Hugh,

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Speaker 9: is to influence regime behavior. I think the moment they

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Speaker 9: get a sense that the administration's willing to start bracketing

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Speaker 9: certain things for arbitrary reasons. And you know, Michael Durant's

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Speaker 9: as a friend and he's super smart on these issues,

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Speaker 9: but I think on this I would be very hesitant

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Speaker 9: to take anything off the table, particularly publicly, what we're

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Speaker 9: trying to alter, how the Mullahs or their interests.

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Speaker 1: Now. I also want to go back to term one.

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Speaker 1: I've sat on Fox and as this point Dana Prino,

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Speaker 1: Greenland was on the table in the first Trump turn.

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Speaker 1: It's back on the table, and he knows he's got

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Speaker 1: three years left and he wants to get it done.

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Speaker 1: And God bless the Danes, all six million of them.

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Speaker 1: But there's two hundred and thirty miles of exclusive economic

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Speaker 1: zone around twenty seven thousand miles of coastland, and they

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Speaker 1: can't protect that from the Chinese fishing fleet, much less

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Speaker 1: hypersonic missiles. How serious do you rate the acquisition of

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Speaker 1: Greenland as an inevitability? How do you think it's going

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Speaker 1: to happen?

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Speaker 9: Oh, Hugh, I think it's going to happen one way

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Speaker 9: or the other. I don't think this is a question

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Speaker 9: of whether, it's a question of how. I think it's

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Speaker 9: important for everyone to understand something. This is not a

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump phenomenon. American president since Andrew Johnson have been

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Speaker 9: trying to do this Woodrow Wilson FDR actually occupy in Greenland,

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Speaker 9: Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower. That's not because this is a

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Speaker 9: Trumpian pet project, because there is an intrinsic strategic value

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Speaker 9: in Greenland's location. Chinese submarines go past Greenland all the time,

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Speaker 9: headed to the North Pole. The Wall Street Journal reported this.

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Speaker 9: The Danes didn't even know about it, according to the

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Speaker 9: public reporting. We have right now the ability to put

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Speaker 9: substantial assets on Greenland under the nineteen fifty one agreement.

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Speaker 9: I hope the administration takes full advantage of that and

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Speaker 9: puts as many assets, including anti submarine warfare assets, on

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Speaker 9: Greenland now. But that doesn't negate the fact that ultimately

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Speaker 9: Hugh Greenland's going to be independent. They were on that

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Speaker 9: path for fifty years. The President's rhetoric has kind of

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Speaker 9: led them to hedge a little bit. What's ultimately going

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Speaker 9: to happen, though, they will be independent, and when they are,

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Speaker 9: the choice is very clear. Are they going to be

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Speaker 9: gobbled up and coerced by the Chinese, like the Solomon

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Speaker 9: Islands and like countries in Africa, or are they going

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Speaker 9: to have a relationship with the United States, whether that's

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Speaker 9: a direct one like an insular area like Virgin Islands

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Speaker 9: or Guam. Or are they going to be an independent

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Speaker 9: country in free association with the United States, like the

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Speaker 9: Marshall Islands or Palal. That's the question.

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Speaker 1: Now when we say that, and we've got a minute,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? Say via the comparison with Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking they could be sovereign like Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 1: but also a commonwealth. What does that mean? To be

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Speaker 1: an association with.

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Speaker 9: So coughtact and free association would be to use the

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Speaker 9: example of the Marshall Islands. They'd be an independent state,

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Speaker 9: they would have representation at the UN, they would conduct

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Speaker 9: their own foreign policy, but they would have their defense

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Speaker 9: would be the responsibility of the United States. They would

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Speaker 9: have unlimited access for the United States for military purposes,

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Speaker 9: and we would very importantly have the right of denial,

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Speaker 9: so we would be able to deny another power access

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Speaker 9: to their land, air, or sea. That is I think

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Speaker 9: a great option that would allow Greenland to keep its sovereignty.

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Speaker 9: The other option, as you were talking about, Hugh, Puerto Rico, Guam,

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Speaker 9: American Samoa, it could be a direct territory of the

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Speaker 9: United States administered by the Interior Department with elements of

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Speaker 9: local self government.

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Speaker 5: That's also a great option.

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Speaker 1: Alex Gray, I always come to you for actual experience

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Speaker 1: on the questions of the day. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: CEO of American Global Strategies, Alex Gray on Greenland Coming

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Speaker 1: back with Selena Zito, Stay tuned, Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett, joined by Selena Zito. Selena Zito is

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Speaker 1: the author of Butler. I like to say she is

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Speaker 1: President Trump's favorite journalist, because I think she is. She is,

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Speaker 1: of course, for my new audience, the person who coined

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Speaker 1: the term about seriously and literally. That is, the left

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Speaker 1: takes the president literally but not seriously, and Trump supporters

902
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Speaker 1: take the president seriously but not literally. Applying your lens

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Speaker 1: and your experience, Selena, what is his messaging about Iran

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Speaker 1: mean to you?

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 13: I think it means that we're not done here and

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Speaker 13: I'm not going to show my hand. And I think

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Speaker 13: he showed us that with Venezuela. Right, you led up

909
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Speaker 13: to Venezuela all fall like if something's going to happen,

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Speaker 13: something's going to happen, Something's going to happen. There was

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Speaker 13: three weeks where nobody thought something was going to happen

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Speaker 13: and then something happened.

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Speaker 10: So I think he likes.

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Speaker 13: I don't know if this stagecraft sort of element of surprise,

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Speaker 13: but he doesn't want as much as people think he

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Speaker 13: wants to show his hand, he does not want to

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Speaker 13: show his hand on this now at all.

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Speaker 1: On this program last week, the President said, uh, if

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Speaker 1: the Iranians keep killing their people, we're going to go in.

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Speaker 1: And then he said on on True social help is

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Speaker 1: on the way, Miga make it great again. Then he

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Speaker 1: told Sean Hany that then he told Tony de Coople

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Speaker 1: that if they keep killing their people, they haven't killed

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Speaker 1: their people for a day that we know about. I

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Speaker 1: think we're at the end of the beginning. I don't

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Speaker 1: even think we're at the middle of this yet. But

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Speaker 1: I do think he's going to do what he can

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Speaker 1: to help the people of Iran. But it's got to

929
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Speaker 1: fit in America's national interest.

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Speaker 5: Do you agree one hundred percent?

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Speaker 13: Agree with you one hundred percent. It's always been the

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Speaker 13: people that confuse sort of what happened in Venezuela and

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Speaker 13: what's happening in Iran as not being America. First, don't

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Speaker 13: have the don't don't have the concept of nuance and

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Speaker 13: understanding long term impact, not just economically but also safety.

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Speaker 5: Was uh, and so.

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Speaker 13: I think that the way he deliberates things is America first.

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Speaker 13: But I I again, I just say sit back and

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Speaker 13: just watch, because whatever you think is going to happen,

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Speaker 13: you're you're not meaning you right, but critics in particular,

941
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Speaker 13: you've never really understood him, and you continue to show

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Speaker 13: that you don't.

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Speaker 1: So the last subject in this list is Greenland. I

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Speaker 1: was on Fox with Data Brener today and I said,

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Speaker 1: he's serious about Greenland. He was serious about Greenland in

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Speaker 1: the first term, He's even more serious about Greenland and

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Speaker 1: this term, and that something's got to get worked out

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Speaker 1: here because the Danes can't protect Greenland from the Chinese

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Speaker 1: communists fishing fleet much less they're hypersonics.

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Speaker 13: What do you think, Yeah, I think he's very serious

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Speaker 13: about Greenland. And I am so bummed out. I was

952
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Speaker 13: invited to go by Jady Vance's to go to Greenland

953
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Speaker 13: when he went over the summer, but it was the

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Speaker 13: same week my book came out, and it was just

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Speaker 13: not something I could do.

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Speaker 10: No, But now this is.

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Speaker 13: Alaska all over again. Except people don't have the historic

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Speaker 13: understanding of why Alaska was important because it was eighteen

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Speaker 13: sixty seven. Eventually it was nineteen fifty nine.

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Speaker 2: But there was a.

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Speaker 13: Strategic reason why we did it right post the Civil War,

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Speaker 13: the same thing that went for Hawaii.

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Speaker 10: Right, I mean, all you.

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Speaker 2: Have to do is look at a map.

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Speaker 13: I think more people need geography. Right, Oh, yes, book

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Speaker 13: at Greenland and then you go, oh, now I get it.

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Speaker 1: The last question, your most recent column is about batteries,

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Speaker 1: and of course it's about a Western Pennsylvania battery company.

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Speaker 1: Do I need to read this? I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: care about electric car, Do I need to know about

971
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Speaker 1: Western Pennsylvania battery companies?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 13: So everyone's been talking about AI is taking away their job.

974
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Speaker 13: AI is taking away their job. Well, in places like

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Speaker 13: where we grew up, Eastern Ohio, Western Pennsylvania, West Virginia.

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Speaker 13: The people that are making the data power centers and

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Speaker 13: centators that are supplying them with the workforce, but also

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Speaker 13: the intellect coming from Case Western, coming from pitt coming

979
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Speaker 13: from CMU. All this is an incubation of a layers

980
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Speaker 13: of a workforce that are going to make and supply

981
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Speaker 13: the energy for a data power centers. If there's going

982
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Speaker 13: to be a seat change, it's going to be about

983
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Speaker 13: how it's the opposite of would have happened to us

984
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Speaker 13: in seventy seven. You in the very workers that DNA

985
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Speaker 13: that was taken away, are now the people that are

986
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Speaker 13: going to have the most impact in our economy.

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Speaker 1: I sure hope you're right for not just Pittsburgh. Sorry

988
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Speaker 1: about Mike Tomlin. Good things can't last forever. I know

989
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Speaker 1: your YenS are in your Steelers fan but he got

990
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Speaker 1: tired of you. Nineteen years a good run, but I

991
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Speaker 1: outlasted him. Selena Azito, So did you follow Selena on

992
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Speaker 1: ex at Zito? Selena get all of her columns by

993
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Speaker 1: signing up for them at selenazito dot com. And come

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Speaker 1: right back America. More national security coming up. Josh cross

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Speaker 1: Hour next on the Hewitt Shop. Welcome back America Here,

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Speaker 1: Hewett and Really Factor Studio West. I'm joined by Josh

997
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Speaker 1: cross Hour on the u Quit Show. He's editor in

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Speaker 1: chief of The Jewish Insider. Josh, welcome. Two headlines for

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Speaker 1: you from the Wall Street Journal. At this hour, Trump

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Speaker 1: was told to attack on Iran wouldn't guarantee collapse of regime.

1001
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Speaker 1: The president was advised that the US military would need

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Speaker 1: more firepower in the Middle East to launch a large

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Speaker 1: scale attack. And second headline, Iran's heavy crackdown quiet's protests.

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Speaker 1: An internet shutdown has made it difficult to determine the

1005
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Speaker 1: scale of the protests, but some Iranians say an eerie

1006
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Speaker 1: quiet has taken over. What's your assessment of the situation,

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Speaker 1: both there and inside Donald Trump's in a.

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Speaker 14: Ring, Well, Hugh, let's take things back a couple of

1009
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Speaker 14: days when Trump posted on his truth social page, help

1010
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Speaker 14: is on the way to the Iranian protesters. So there's

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Speaker 14: been a widespread expectation, not just within Washington, but but

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Speaker 14: among the overall public of the would be some kind

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Speaker 14: of military action.

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Speaker 1: Now when and how.

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Speaker 14: It was sort of the big question mark, But there

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Speaker 14: was a sense that Trump, you know, kind of put

1017
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Speaker 14: put his words behind the likelihood of some kind of

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Speaker 14: military strike against Iran the big challenge, Hugh, and I

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Speaker 14: think he kind of raised that in the in the

1020
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Speaker 14: first headline, which which is that the would really the

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Speaker 14: Pentagon until earlier this week hadn't moved any forces in

1022
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Speaker 14: preparation for potential military strikes, and there was some reporting

1023
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Speaker 14: in the last few hours that a lot of the

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Speaker 14: US Gulf State allies, including Saudi Arabia but also Israel,

1025
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Speaker 14: were a little bit concerned about the timing of a

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Speaker 14: strike that they they wanted it, and in the case

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Speaker 14: of Israel, I think they wanted more time to prepare

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Speaker 14: about the after effects of any potential military strike against Iran.

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Speaker 1: So, look, I think there are two ways of looking

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Speaker 1: at this. I think one way.

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Speaker 14: Of looking at it is that there may the White

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Speaker 14: House might want more time to see what's going on

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Speaker 14: in Iran, but also to build the military presence up

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Speaker 14: in the Middle East, which was pretty pretty sparse as

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Speaker 14: of earlier in the week. But there also may be

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Speaker 14: some second second guessing within the White House, and there

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Speaker 14: may be there may be some factions looking to try

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Speaker 14: to get an off rampin and not go through with

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Speaker 14: any military action. So a little bit of uncertainty in

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Speaker 14: what the White House is eventually going to do. But

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Speaker 14: just because nothing has happened yet doesn't mean it's not

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Speaker 14: going to happen.

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Speaker 1: That's it. I want. I'm going to come back and

1044
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Speaker 1: ask you what is the window for saying he cried wolf?

1045
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Speaker 1: Because he did say help is on the way. He

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Speaker 1: did urge Iranian protesters to take over their institutions, and

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Speaker 1: some commentators are saying, bait and switch, you got people killed.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that he's got at

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Speaker 1: least a month and probably two months to do something.

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Speaker 1: He did turn the Abraham Lincoln Strike Group, the Carrier

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Speaker 1: Lincoln and the strike group that accompanies that left. They're

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Speaker 1: heading back to the Middle East from the South China Sea,

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Speaker 1: and we don't know what's going on, but we know

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Speaker 1: that the carrier strike force is on the way. Second

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Speaker 1: bit of information, I don't know if you can confirm this.

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Speaker 1: Elian and Johnson told me who called him and said

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Speaker 1: not yet. Yeah, we need more time. What do you

1058
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Speaker 1: think about those two pieces of information?

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Speaker 14: So we don't have that independently confirmed. We were looking

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Speaker 14: into it on the Israeli side, but the New York

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Speaker 14: Times and I believe Barack revet at Axios, said that

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Speaker 14: Israel did Council's patients. I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 14: concern in Israel of what Iran would do in case

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Speaker 14: of a US military strike, of the fear being that

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Speaker 14: Iran would take out or would respond by attacking Israel.

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Speaker 14: So I think there is concern in Israel, and that

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Speaker 14: may have expressed those concerns.

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Speaker 1: It does seem to be on the.

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Speaker 14: Public reporting that it's more of a question of timing

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Speaker 14: and preparation. But it's not just Israel, it's a lot

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Speaker 14: of the cult state allies. There was also reporting in

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Speaker 14: the same New York Times story that Saudi Arabia also

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Speaker 14: Qatar were very very very aggressively advocating the Trump administration

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Speaker 14: not to go ahead with military strikes against Iran, and

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Speaker 14: if that had any bearing on Trump's decision making. But

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Speaker 14: there is a lot of a lot of competing guidance,

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Speaker 14: said that Trump is getting and you could tell when

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Speaker 14: he had that public availability yesterday at the White House

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Speaker 14: that Trump at least had had was changing his tune

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Speaker 14: and sounded like he was willing to accept the notion

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Speaker 14: that some of the actually I guess he was talking

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Speaker 14: about one specific execution, but also that some of the

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Speaker 14: massacres were not taking place anymore. I mean, as far

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Speaker 14: as I know, we don't really know what's going on

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Speaker 14: the ground in Iran, and I would not take the

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Speaker 14: Iranian government's word for freddy kredibility.

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Speaker 1: That brings me to the bread Barr interviewed Josh Foreign

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Speaker 1: Minister last night, said Masad was killing Iranians in order

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Speaker 1: to bring Donald Trump into the war that is ongoing

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Speaker 1: between Iran and Israel. It was crazy talk. Did you

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Speaker 1: hear that? Do you have a reaction to it? Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I mean it reminded me of like when we going

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Speaker 14: back to the Iraq War, when you saw well Bagdad Bob,

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Speaker 14: you know, apouting the most innate propaganda uh from from

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Speaker 14: his uh from his palace. Yeah, like the Iranian I

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Speaker 14: mean it just shows how I'm desperate. I think there

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Speaker 14: were all kinds of just ridiculous propaganda coming from the

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Speaker 14: Iranian regime, both in the interview interview on Fox with

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Speaker 14: Brett Baer but also in separate interviews that they gave

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Speaker 14: to other media outlets. But yeah, I mean this, this

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Speaker 14: is how desperate and how deranged. Frankly this Iranians is

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Speaker 14: the Foreign minister always talking to Brett and he sounded

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Speaker 14: as as crazy and extreme and just diluted as you

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Speaker 14: would expect from any dictatorship that has lost touch with

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Speaker 14: the people.

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Speaker 1: So uh, given that the President did tell the people

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Speaker 1: of Iran help us on the way, what's your time

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Speaker 1: frame for assessing whether or not that was chatter or

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Speaker 1: that was real.

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Speaker 14: Uh, you said a month or two, you know, I

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Speaker 14: would say a week or two. You know that I'm

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Speaker 14: hearing different from different sources. Are kind of having different

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Speaker 14: reactions to what's happened in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 14: Some are are actually bullish that there could be a

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Speaker 14: larger scale action, that there's more coordination taking place behind

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Speaker 14: the scenes, which is certainly possible. Lindsay Graham, who has

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Speaker 14: been very vocal on this issue, is actually going to

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Speaker 14: be in Israel. He actually is just just leaving, I

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Speaker 14: think today, to go and meet with the Prime Minister

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Speaker 14: in Neatanyahu. So there may be more coordination, more conversation

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Speaker 14: taking place for a wider scale operation. The other option,

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Speaker 14: which I think is very possible as well, is that

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Speaker 14: there may be trying to trying to walk back some

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Speaker 14: of the rhetoric that was made.

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Speaker 1: And maybe just willing to take a small.

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Speaker 14: Loaf if if there isn't any you know, any more

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Speaker 14: horrible violent crackdowns, maybe Trump is willing to take that

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Speaker 14: at and willing to pause on any operations for now.

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Speaker 1: So count I don't know that I can count that

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Speaker 1: as a win. Can you count that as a win.

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Speaker 1: Given that the number, I would not.

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Speaker 14: I know, the brutal regime, They're always going to be

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Speaker 14: cracking out on their people, and it's going to happen again.

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Speaker 14: So I think, look, I think what we learned with

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Speaker 14: Obama the red line, the look. Look how disastrous Obama

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Speaker 14: not living up to his red line in Syria back

1137
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Speaker 14: in twenty thirteen was.

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Speaker 1: I think this is one of tho similar moments. When

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Speaker 1: you put the American presidency on the table, you get

1140
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: a window, but if you don't act in that window,

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00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: your credibility is badly damaged. I don't think Donald Trump

1142
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: wants that, but we will see. Josh Crosshauer of Joe Schinsider,

1143
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Speaker 1: thank you, don't go anywhere, America. I'll be right back

1144
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Speaker 1: coming up next hour as well. Shelley Moore Capito, Senator

1145
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: from West Virginia. Seth Mandel from Commentary Garrity of National

1146
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Speaker 1: A lot ahead on the Today As You Do a

1147
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Speaker 1: show Welcome Back America from Senator Shelley Moore Capito to

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Speaker 1: Seth Mandel of The Commentary Podcast, where a senior editor

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00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: at Commentary and The Commentary Podcast. Seth, I've already listened

1150
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: to Commentary's podcast today where four of you, you and

1151
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: Elianna and Christine Rosen and actually five Abe was there

1152
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: and John. We're trying to come up with how do

1153
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Speaker 1: we connect the dots of the Trump foreign policy? Before

1154
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Speaker 1: I give you my assessment of your show, what do

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Speaker 1: you think you five agreed on, if anything.

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Speaker 12: That Trump cares about American power and influence in the

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Speaker 12: world overall, So whether you know, he doesn't seem to

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Speaker 12: care whether there's a transition to or a quick transition

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Speaker 12: to a full fledged democracy in Venezuela. He isn't sure

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Speaker 12: how hard to go at Iran in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 12: whether he really wants to force a regime change, but

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Speaker 12: he knows that he doesn't want Iron being able to

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Speaker 12: mess with us, and he knows that he doesn't want

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Speaker 12: Maduro's crew being able to mess with us. So I

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Speaker 12: would say the common threat is power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, Stran, But I was waiting

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Speaker 1: for someone to say he's a realist, He's a Nixonian realist.

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Speaker 1: What are the cards I've been dealt? What outcomes can

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Speaker 1: I achieve? Where are my carriers? The one thing I

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Speaker 1: don't think I heard any of you five say the

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Speaker 1: big development yesterday on our side is the Lincoln Strike

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Speaker 1: Group was diverted from the South China Sea to go

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Speaker 1: to the Middle East. I have a feeling, I have

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Speaker 1: no information. I'm just guessing we need that strike group

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Speaker 1: in the vicinity of Israel if we strike Iran, because

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Speaker 1: they'll go ballistic missile and we have to help Israel

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Speaker 1: against the ballistic missiles. You were just in Israel. Did

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Speaker 1: anyone brief you on the damage that the Iranian ballistic

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Speaker 1: missile fusillade from June did.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, we even met one of the Mischel missiles actually,

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Speaker 12: or a piece of the missile place we were staying,

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Speaker 12: some shrapnel of an intercepted missile.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the damage is real.

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Speaker 12: But Israel has degraded Iran's missile capabilities a great deal,

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Speaker 12: and Iran is essentially now in a race to try

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Speaker 12: to rebuild those missile capabilities. I think that's why the

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Speaker 12: window is now. Also, I think that they're less concerned

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Speaker 12: about a full on Iranian response, but it's certainly possible,

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Speaker 12: and it's also possible that there could be a response

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Speaker 12: from Hesbola and Lebanon, although they've been greatly weakened and

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Speaker 12: they have signaled that they also don't really.

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Speaker 2: Want to mess with the bowl right now.

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Speaker 12: So you know, I think that the Israelis are not

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Speaker 12: quite as The Israelis are not looking to start something

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Speaker 12: up with Iran right now, and I think that they're

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Speaker 12: fine with President Trump waiting. But I think that President

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Speaker 12: Trump is the one that really is the prime mover

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Speaker 12: on this, and the Israelis are ready and willing to

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Speaker 12: do their part in this whatever that may be, most

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Speaker 12: likely in ensuring that this doesn't turn into a regional war,

1201
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 12: regional conflagration, where in which Trump's critics can say, look

1202
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Speaker 12: what you started, you started a wildfire.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Something I also heard yesterday what you did in hear

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Speaker 1: you guys mentioned is that Kutner had told the United

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Speaker 1: States we may not use the airbase Cutter for missions

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Speaker 1: in Iran. If that is in fact the case, we

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Speaker 1: had to move the air base. Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, the air base is as of now, the air

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Speaker 12: base is doing more harm than good because the Kataris

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Speaker 12: are using it to shield themselves. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 12: if we can't use it for what we need to

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Speaker 12: use it for, what are we supposed to use We're

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Speaker 12: supposed to use the air base and cutter to what

1215
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Speaker 12: launched satellites into space.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's an air base.

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Speaker 12: If we can't use it as an air base, put

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Speaker 12: it somewhere we can use it.

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Speaker 1: So President Trump was on the program last week right

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Speaker 1: at this time, and I asked him. I said, I

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Speaker 1: think I've got a definition of the Trump doctrine. Don't

1222
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Speaker 1: threatened Americans. Don't kill Americans or we will kill you

1223
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Speaker 1: quicker and harder and longer. Any added, and don't send

1224
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Speaker 1: drugs into our country. But I guess you could include

1225
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Speaker 1: that and don't kill Americans. I think the Trump doctrine

1226
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Speaker 1: is pretty easy, a very realism driven what is in

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Speaker 1: the best interests of the United States, plus what can

1228
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Speaker 1: I get done with a near certain guarantee of no fiasco.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't want Eagle Claw, which was Desert one. Some

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Speaker 1: people remembered the Desert one, and he had General Kine,

1231
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: who I think he trusts a great deal, and Secretary

1232
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Speaker 1: of Rubio in the office when he was talking to

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Speaker 1: me about that. I think those two plus jd Vance,

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Speaker 1: those are the big three MP Texit, the Big four

1235
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Speaker 1: with Trump. But there their envelope to be said is

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Speaker 1: that it's got to be able to work, and we've

1237
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Speaker 1: got to do second order impacts, which might include these

1238
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Speaker 1: people are crazy and they're on they're evil, crazy, and

1239
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Speaker 1: I think they'd fire off everything they could at Israel

1240
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Speaker 1: they can't, and maybe at our air base, and we

1241
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Speaker 1: have to get ready for that. I think that's what

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Speaker 1: Cain told them. I'm guessing, But what do you think.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think they have to be prepared for anything,

1244
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 12: and that's why you've seen embassy's fin out in the

1245
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Speaker 12: region and stuff like that. But the main point is

1246
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Speaker 12: that this is kind of offensive realism, I think is

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Speaker 12: the tradition. You know, it's it's more associated with funnily enough,

1248
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Speaker 12: John Bolton and people like that, then, uh, you know,

1249
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Speaker 12: than sort of the neo conservatives, because it basically means,

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Speaker 12: you know, if you if you threaten us or you

1251
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 12: hit us, we're going to hit back twice as hard,

1252
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 12: where if you need to be punched in the nose,

1253
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 12: we're going to bloody you up and we're not going

1254
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 12: to clean up the mess. We're not going to stay

1255
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Speaker 12: there and help you transition to some sort of new

1256
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Speaker 12: government or whatever. If you you accept the consequences of

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Speaker 12: your own actions.

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Speaker 2: So if you pick a fight with us, you're going

1259
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Speaker 2: to be sorry, and we're not going to hang around

1260
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Speaker 2: to clean up the mess. It's going to be your

1261
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Speaker 2: mess to clean up.

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Speaker 12: So I think that that holds through all the members

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Speaker 12: of the administration, just to different degrees. I agree with

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Speaker 12: that at what point they're willing to trigger that.

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Speaker 1: I think that exactly correct. As on Fox this morning,

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Speaker 1: Dana Prino got in a question about Venezuela because Ms.

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Speaker 1: Maschado's at the White House today, so that's great. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're there for regime change. We're for regime

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Speaker 1: evil and we like regime collapse if that's what happens

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Speaker 1: in Iran. But we're not into the regime change business.

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Speaker 1: Has understood Iraq two thousand and three, through the surge

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Speaker 1: that we took Maduro out, he was blocking change. The

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Speaker 1: evolution has begun. We took another tanker today. We are

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Speaker 1: in fact running Venezuela, but they're not ready for a

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Speaker 1: shottery to get back yet. And I'm okay taking time

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01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: to get to where we need to go. But I

1277
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: like to play offense. I think he's just very Nixonian

1278
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Speaker 1: to me, Seth, I don't even think it's that complicated.

1279
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Speaker 1: I think there's a bit of anti trump ism on

1280
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: the podcast today, and Christine and maybe Able a little

1281
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: bit as suspicious of him, but generally it's just Trump

1282
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: protecting American interest to the extent he can without courting disaster.

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 12: I think he doesn't want chaos is the main thing.

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Speaker 12: He doesn't want to get involved in something that he

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01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 12: can't predict really where it's going to go. And Souela,

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Speaker 12: it's not that he has a big problem with Machado,

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Speaker 12: it's that he doesn't feel she and her team are

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Speaker 12: ready to take on the burden of a transition. He

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Speaker 12: did this regarding Iran the other day too, where he

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Speaker 12: said the form, you know, he said, the crown Prince

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Speaker 12: Pa Lavi is seems like a good guy, but I

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Speaker 12: don't know does he have the support. I'm not sure

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Speaker 12: if he has it right now to be handed a

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Speaker 2: So that that's basically.

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Speaker 12: His thing is that he's not that he's opposed to

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Speaker 12: a pro democracy leader like Polavi. It's just he's not

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Speaker 12: going to do Polavi's work for him, and he's not

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Speaker 12: going to do Machado's work for her. He's going to

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Speaker 12: do his work for him and America's work for America.

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Speaker 2: That's how he sees it.

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Speaker 12: And so if you present to him a chaos free

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Speaker 12: or reasonably chaos free plan to you know, transition a

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Speaker 12: government in Venezuela or in Iran, he will be listening.

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Speaker 12: But for now he's not taking any chance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would frame it. If you present him a

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Speaker 1: plan that will significantly significantly advanced a real, genuine American

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Speaker 1: interest at relatively low cost, he will do it. And

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Speaker 1: I'll talk with Seth after the break about what Israel's

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Speaker 1: going to do, whether or not it helps the United

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Speaker 1: States because they get to do within their interests to

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Speaker 1: the stay tuner, run Back America, Seth Man Dallas Commentary

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Speaker 1: has hung around because the commentary podcast a very interesting

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Speaker 1: conversation about what is the Trump doctrine and the answer

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Speaker 1: is we don't know what it is as applied to Iran.

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Speaker 1: Part two yet, Seth, what is the time frame that

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Speaker 1: the average listener in the car or watcher on the

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Speaker 1: sale news channel I to have in their head to

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Speaker 1: judge what the President did in Iran? Because he did

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Speaker 1: say eight different times help us on the way said

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Speaker 1: it to me, said it on, he posted it, he

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Speaker 1: told it to Sean Hannity, he told it to Tony Decoppel.

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Speaker 1: And when Tony Decoppel said they're going to be hangings,

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Speaker 1: what hangings? That's out out of line. So he did

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Speaker 1: tell the Iranian people, we're going to help you, and

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Speaker 1: we haven't done anything yet that we've seen. What's the

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Speaker 1: time limit for deciding whether or not he baited and

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Speaker 1: switched on the Iranian people.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just a few days now.

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Speaker 12: I think the fact that he said publicly, well, they

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Speaker 12: appear to have stopped the killing, or you know, some

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Speaker 12: version of that, means there's days because the Iranians have

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Speaker 12: a window now, and they're getting control of the protests,

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Speaker 12: they're getting the demonstrations somewhat under control, and as long

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Speaker 12: as they don't do anything like as provocative as they

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Speaker 12: were talking about public executions things like that, they feel

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Speaker 12: like they have a window now to try to slow

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Speaker 12: things down. We don't have great eyes on the ground.

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Speaker 12: I think it's just a few days before this inertia

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Speaker 12: would settle in and become permanent or semi permanent for

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Speaker 12: now anyway, So.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm watching the Lincoln because I really do

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Speaker 1: think that the strike carrier group has got Mitchel defense

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Speaker 1: capabilities that were used when Israel was attacked. Bring me

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Speaker 1: to Israel. Israel's got to go get the missile capability

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Speaker 1: because it was over. If they keep building at that

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Speaker 1: pace they are said to be building, they don't need

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Speaker 1: the nuke. Plok. That was the great We destroyed their

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Speaker 1: We obliterated their nuclear program. President Trump did that. But

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Speaker 1: the great reveal was that ballistic missile program is a

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Speaker 1: existential threat too. Is that now recognized in Israel?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, without question.

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Speaker 12: That was something that wasn't talked about as much because

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Speaker 12: the nuke was also the nuclear threat, excuse me, was

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Speaker 12: also an existential threat, and it was a wider global threat,

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Speaker 12: and it was easy for people to comprehend the danger

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Speaker 12: of it. But there's no question that the Israelis understand

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Speaker 12: and state clearly and openly that the ballistic missile program

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Speaker 12: in Iran could also be an existential threat because they

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Speaker 12: could simply overwhelm Israel's air defenses.

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Speaker 2: We saw it last time, and.

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Speaker 12: It's not it's not something that they could it's not

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Speaker 12: a button they could push tomorrow. But the program itself

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Speaker 12: does represent an existential threat, and if they're going to

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Speaker 12: race to get it back up, that's the deterrent they're

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Speaker 12: looking for also, which means that if they can get

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Speaker 12: the ballistic missile program back up, they feel like they

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Speaker 12: have a deterrent even without the nuclear program, because they

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Speaker 12: know that they can overwhelm, overwhelm Israel's air defenses at

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Speaker 12: least for periods at a time, and therefore they'll be

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Speaker 12: more likely to stave off any sort of Israeli strike

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Speaker 12: and maybe even an American strike you in that timeframe.

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Speaker 12: So yeah, the race, the race to get the ballistic

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Speaker 12: missile program up and running is a race to get

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Speaker 12: around in a sort of field of protection again, and

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Speaker 12: what it does inside that field of protection is not

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Speaker 12: going to be anything that the United States.

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Speaker 1: Or Israel likes. Last bit of information. There's nothing good

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Speaker 1: about mowing down between two and twelve thousand people and

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Speaker 1: capturing as many people and selling them up to urban print.

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Speaker 1: Zero good. But there is a side effect, which is

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Speaker 1: clarity about the nature of the regime and why they

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Speaker 1: couldn't get nukes and why they can't have all the missiles.

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Speaker 1: They'll do anything. They are stalinesque and malest they don't

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Speaker 1: care they mowed down their own people. You think even

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Speaker 1: the left wing in America has got to realize that

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Speaker 1: that jcpoa Community of Nations, regional power, Barack Obama, Ben Roads,

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Speaker 1: John carry nonsense is just that nonsense. Now.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if they realize it, but I hope so,

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Speaker 12: because what this is showing is that, first of all,

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Speaker 12: who would trust them with any deal, whatever it said.

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Speaker 12: And second of all, these are people who will obviously

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Speaker 12: use any advantage they have to hurt America. They say

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Speaker 12: it out loud, they mean it.

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Speaker 2: They tried to.

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Speaker 12: Kill President Trump, well twice reportedly. But all of this,

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Speaker 12: you know, the Yemen missiles from Yemen, you know, being

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Speaker 12: shot at American tankers. Also, there's no question that wants

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Speaker 12: to hurt America and is happy to hurt America.

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Speaker 2: It's not just in Israeli concern. And I think that

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Speaker 2: has been made obvious.

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Speaker 12: Also because the people who have been screaming for two

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Speaker 12: years about suppose that Israeli atrocities in Gaza have not

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Speaker 12: really found it in their hearts to muster the same

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Speaker 12: emotion and valiance for the protesters in Iran who are

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Speaker 12: just being as you said, mowed down in the streets.

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Speaker 2: It's not a war. It's not even a civil war.

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Speaker 2: It's just the.

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Speaker 12: Regime executing people in large numbers in public.

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Speaker 1: A massacre. It's just a massacre. Seth Mandel, thank you

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Speaker 1: for spending two segments with me. I will send everyone

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Speaker 1: to the commentary podcast wherever. Podcasts are a great discussion

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Speaker 1: today about the nature of what President Trump had done

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Speaker 1: or not done, and whether or not evaded and switched.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I think I'm giving them sure month

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Speaker 1: to figure out, because it's pretty be surprised or youthful.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Seth Mandel. Don't go anywhere America, come back

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Speaker 1: National Review dot com. Jim, I want to cut to

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Speaker 1: the chase. Seth Bendel was just on for two segments.

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Speaker 1: I listened to the Commentary podcast this morning. They're trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out the Trump doctrine. Did he bait and

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Speaker 1: switch the Iranian people? My answer is the Trump doctrine

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Speaker 1: is pretty simple. Don't kill Americans, don't threat in Americans,

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Speaker 1: don't send drugs in the United States. And if I

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Speaker 1: think you're a long term threat and I can take

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Speaker 1: you out, I'll take you out. But it better not

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Speaker 1: be expensive or hurt American. I think he trusts General Kine,

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Speaker 1: Secretary Ribio, JD. Vans, and Pete Hegseth, and I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think it's too soon to judge what's going on

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Speaker 1: in Iran. All I saw happened yesterday was the Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Strike Group turned left and is headed than the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: What's your assessment of what the president has done or

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Speaker 1: not done in Iran thus far?

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Speaker 15: Sure, yesterday's comments in the Oval Office really took me

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Speaker 15: as surprise.

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Speaker 1: Seemed like a reversal.

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Speaker 15: Now you mentioned the Abraham Lincoln has left the South

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Speaker 15: China Sea is headed towards the area of Central Command,

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Speaker 15: presumably that includes the Persian Gulf. Maybe within a couple

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Speaker 15: of days, the president will have more options for military

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Speaker 15: strikes than he did a couple of days ago. My

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Speaker 15: colleague Noah Roffman a week ago noticed that we did

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Speaker 15: not have a carrier group in the Middle East and

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Speaker 15: wondered if that was going to become a headache.

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Speaker 5: It's conceivable that it has.

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Speaker 1: Trump both in.

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Speaker 15: His interview with you a week ago setting news saying

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Speaker 15: we're going to hit them hard if they killed their people.

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Speaker 15: The Iranian Mullahs and Ayatola Kamani have done nothing but

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Speaker 15: killed their people since then, the estimates ranging from twenty

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Speaker 15: five hundred to twenty thousand people killed over the last

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Speaker 15: week or so.

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Speaker 5: And then on true.

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Speaker 15: Social Trump goes on and says, you know, weird, you know,

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Speaker 15: help is on the way mega make.

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Speaker 5: Iran great again.

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Speaker 15: Now, there are a lot of ways the president can

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Speaker 15: hit the Iranians. It doesn't necessarily mean it has to

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Speaker 15: be airstrikes sent from you know, US bases or an

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Speaker 15: aircraft carrier. There's cyber there's psychological operations.

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Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of.

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Speaker 15: Different ways you could theoretically do this. But to make

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Speaker 15: those kind of statements, it's certainly indicated help is on

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Speaker 15: the way, and we're going to hit them hard if

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Speaker 15: they keep And then he comes out and he starts

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Speaker 15: saying the killing is over, which is not necessarily what

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Speaker 15: it looked like for a long time. Sounded like he'd

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Speaker 15: heard from the Iranians, probably through an intermediary, maybe the

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Speaker 15: Katari's or something, and they said that, you know, he

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Speaker 15: mentions the executions are over. He keeps using the term

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Speaker 15: killings and executions interchangeably. One of the figures who was,

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Speaker 15: you know, getting the most attention. They said they were

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Speaker 15: not going to execute at least for now. I'm glad

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Speaker 15: to hear that. But that's one guy in a conflict

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Speaker 15: that has already killed thousands, possibly tens of thousands of people.

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Speaker 5: So I hope this is a faint.

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Speaker 15: I hope that this is just the president trying to

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Speaker 15: fake out the Mullahs and make it sound like they've

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Speaker 15: gotten off the hook. We're seeing statements from our Arab

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Speaker 15: allies and the Gulf and Kading that they think the moment.

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Speaker 5: Of crisis has passed.

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Speaker 15: If the President says, you know, help is on the

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Speaker 15: way and we're going to hit these guys and then

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Speaker 15: doesn't do anything, this is gonna be really bad. I

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Speaker 15: think this is gonna be remembered as an Afghanistan style

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Speaker 15: moment in which the Iranian the Iranian regime, whether or

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Speaker 15: not it collapses in the next couple of months. Their

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Speaker 15: economic problems are not going away, correct, It's not like

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Speaker 15: their currency is suddenly going to be valued again. They

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Speaker 15: can suppress this uprising. They can suppress these protests through

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Speaker 15: extreme violence. It's possible, right, you know. But the problem

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Speaker 15: is is that once you do that, you're still there

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Speaker 15: and you look at things. Scott Besson was on Newsmax

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Speaker 15: yesterday last night. First of all, he explicitly refers to

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Speaker 15: harming the protesters as a red line from President Trump.

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Speaker 15: You know, I'm sure your listeners be having good memories,

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Speaker 15: are sitting there and thinking like, whoa, that's going to

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Speaker 15: be bad memories. Use the word for a redline. That

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Speaker 15: was Obama and Syria and the use of chemical weapons.

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Speaker 15: The Trump administration prides itself on not being like the

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Speaker 15: Obama administration and not failing to follow through once they

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Speaker 15: draw these kinds of red lines. So it's conceivable this

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Speaker 15: is just the president try to fool them.

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Speaker 1: Trying to do a ruse.

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Speaker 15: If a week from now, two weeks from now, three

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Speaker 15: weeks from now, there has been no discernible US effort

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Speaker 15: against the regime for killing the protesters.

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Speaker 5: Then I get real nervous. Then I think that we've.

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Speaker 15: Really lost a great deal of our credibility and an

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Speaker 15: opportunity to really topple this regime might be slipping through

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Speaker 15: our fingers.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy, you answered the question. I wanted to know the

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Speaker 1: timeframe in which the president has to act, because I

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Speaker 1: do believe the Iranian people heard help is on the

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Speaker 1: way quite clearly. They heard take over your institutions, they

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Speaker 1: heard MEGA, they read MEGA. They are cut off from

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Speaker 1: the outside world, but there's ways for information to get in.

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Speaker 1: I think they thought, well, but there wasn't a timeframe there.

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Speaker 1: I'm more generous than you. I'm saying in March fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: two months, because it takes a while to position assets

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Speaker 1: in The carrier group doesn't get there for ten days,

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Speaker 1: jim So it's you know, if you need the carriers,

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01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: and you've got to get Israel ready because I think

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Speaker 1: the Mullas will fire off everything they can if they

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Speaker 1: come under attack, and you might want to The term

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Speaker 1: W used in the Oval office with me once and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other talk show hosts was we can

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Speaker 1: disintermediate a lot of money and not a big word

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Speaker 1: disintermediate it was a funny thing, but we could take

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Speaker 1: their money. That was a memorable, pretty big word for

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Speaker 1: w and I thought.

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Speaker 2: Were just intermediate.

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Speaker 15: We're not just going to mediate them, We're going to

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Speaker 15: diss them. In a disintermediate, They're going to feel insulted

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Speaker 15: through the entire mediate. So whatever channel they're on, they're

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Speaker 15: going to feel dissed. That's what it means when we disintermediate.

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Speaker 1: The Well, it was funny, but he was talking about

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Speaker 1: things we can do that we don't see. And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give two months for everyone to get together

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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: and figure it out. But you made a key point

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01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: about there we all is still worthless. And if you

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Speaker 1: if you were, you know, going along on the reality,

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01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: you're hurt. What I want to ask is does what

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01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: we saw this week justify or should it justify in

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Speaker 1: the minds of even Barack Obama and Ben Roads and

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01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,799
Speaker 1: John Kerry that this regime would he used the nukes

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Speaker 1: if they'd been able to build them. They're crazy, They'll

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Speaker 1: kill people by the thousands.

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Speaker 15: Yes, And by the way, you know, why are we

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Speaker 15: ever putting more money into the hands of this regime.

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Speaker 1: Look, the.

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Speaker 15: The problems of the Iranian economy are not simply because

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Speaker 15: of our sanctions, but our sanctions have been a factor

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Speaker 15: in it, and the maximum pressure campaign that Trump has

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Speaker 15: enacted since he return to office is no doubt a factor.

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Speaker 15: Wall Street Journal had a good article in this. There

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Speaker 15: are real problems with corruption in the regime. There are

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Speaker 15: real problems of the fact that you for obviously Russia

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Speaker 15: can't help them out the way it used to the

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Speaker 15: Russian economies in Russia. But I'd also just put it

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Speaker 15: out there. According to Bessan, the Iranian everybody, Iranian elite

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Speaker 15: is trying to get their money out of the country

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Speaker 15: as quickly as possible. They are the reports, according to

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Speaker 15: a member of British Parliament, that you have planes full

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Speaker 15: of gold flying from Tehran to Moscow. Now, if you're

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Speaker 15: an Iranian elite, you only do this if you think

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Speaker 15: there's a real chance that a month from now, two

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Speaker 15: months from now, three months from now, by the end

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Speaker 15: of the year, the Iranian regime is not in place, right,

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Speaker 15: you owe you shipping tons of gold out of the country.

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Speaker 15: You don't do that on a win. So the people

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Speaker 15: who are presumably in the best position to know the

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Speaker 15: condition of the Iranian regime are acting really nervous right now.

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Speaker 15: That's why I think this is not just the same

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Speaker 15: old show we've seen a protesters before. I think they

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Speaker 15: really are hanging out by the edge of their fingernails, right.

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Speaker 1: It's also why I don't think it's over. Jim Garretty

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Speaker 1: the program Senator Shelley Moore Capito, who represents the great

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Speaker 1: trade of West Virginia. Senator capitol I heard you on

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Speaker 1: with my colleague Scott Jennings earlier today. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go in reverse order of the subject you're covered with Scott.

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Speaker 1: I want to start your own appropriations shared by Susan Collins.

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Speaker 1: I think I heard you say CR CR no shutdown.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping we'd actually pass all eleven appropriations bills.

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Speaker 1: How many do you think are actually going to get

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Speaker 1: passed and the rest going to the mini Bess.

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Speaker 16: I think that we'll get We'll pass them all except

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Speaker 16: for one, and that's Homeland Security, I think because of

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Speaker 16: what's going on with the Ice situation, and it's always

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Speaker 16: a very difficult bill because I cheered that subcommittee myself.

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Speaker 16: I think with it, Katie Britt's working hard day and

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Speaker 16: night to try to get to a negotiator settlement there,

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Speaker 16: but it's looking a little grim.

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Speaker 10: So I think we'll get them all, but that one,

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Speaker 10: which is.

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Speaker 16: Would be a remarkable achievement for us as appropriators, for

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Speaker 16: Susan as the chair, and really for the House and Senate,

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Speaker 16: And so I'm very pleased about that because it brings

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Speaker 16: our spending down and it gets our priorities and the

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Speaker 16: President's struck priorities more in line with our appropriations.

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Speaker 1: Do you expect then a shut down in the Department

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security, because that includes a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: things beyond Ice that people won't want shut down, even

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Speaker 1: if they don't like Ice. And I think that's a

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Speaker 1: ninety ten issue, as Scott would saying maybe ninety five

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Speaker 1: to five. As on the gender issues that we'll get

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Speaker 1: to But does that mean it's shut down for DHS.

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Speaker 15: No.

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Speaker 10: I think what will happen here, Hugh Is?

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Speaker 16: I think, well, the last five bills will come through

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Speaker 16: because the House is in next week.

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Speaker 10: We are not they're going to pass the bills.

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Speaker 16: If they get a homeland security bill, we'll pass it

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Speaker 16: through here. If not, what I envision is we'll have

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Speaker 16: five bills with a continuing resolution just.

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Speaker 10: For Home land security.

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Speaker 1: Right, so there would be no.

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Speaker 16: Shutdown because you're right, Homeland Security is it's TSA, it's FEMA,

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Speaker 16: it's Coastguard, it's a secret Service. There's a lot in

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Speaker 16: there that essential services all right.

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator I had President Trump on a week ago.

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Speaker 1: He said he wants a trillion and a half dollars

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Speaker 1: next year for the Department of War. That's six hundred

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Speaker 1: billion more. That roughly six hundred billion more than you

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Speaker 1: passed this year. What do you make of that?

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Speaker 10: Well, that's a steep hill.

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Speaker 16: I think that as we're now trying to shrink these

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Speaker 16: bills but still keep the vibrant Department of Defense, the

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Speaker 16: defense authorizations and the appropriations robust when we see what's

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Speaker 16: going on around the world, another six hundred billion is

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Speaker 16: going to be very, very difficult.

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Speaker 10: It's either going to be.

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Speaker 16: Major cuts in other areas or we're going to again

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Speaker 16: be overspending, and so I think there'll probably be a compromise.

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Speaker 16: I would love to see more money to the Department

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Speaker 16: of War, but I'm not sure. I don't think we

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Speaker 16: had the bandwidth to go that high. I really don't,

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Speaker 16: and so we'll have to see what happens as we

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Speaker 16: moved through the year.

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator you also made a funny comment. I laughed

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Speaker 1: in the car when you said Scott brought up Iran.

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Speaker 1: He said, well, Scott, this is really my generation. I laughed.

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Speaker 1: You got out of Duke about the time I got

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Speaker 1: out of Harvard, and about the time that the Mulos

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Speaker 1: came back from France and took over Iran and exiled

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Speaker 1: the Shah and took our embassy. So it's imprinted on

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Speaker 1: our generation. Right, we'd love that regime to go. I

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Speaker 1: think the President's going to wait until the Lincoln carrier

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Speaker 1: group is close enough to the Bride Air covered Israel

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Speaker 1: in the event that Mullas fire ballistics back. What's your

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Speaker 1: sense of the situation, Well, I.

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Speaker 16: Mean, I think it's remarkable to see, we've seen from

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Speaker 16: time to time I ran, you know, in the uprisings

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Speaker 16: and then calm back down.

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Speaker 10: This seems to me to be a.

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Speaker 16: Lot more And you know, I can't help but think

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Speaker 16: that is there a tie here with Maduro out of

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Speaker 16: the picture, one of Iran's big proponents. Is there a

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Speaker 16: tie here a crumbling of and weakening of some of

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Speaker 16: these roague nations like Iran or Cuba. Obviously we've already

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Speaker 16: seen that in Venezuela. So I would like to think

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Speaker 16: that there's a grand plan here. I'm not sure there is.

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Speaker 16: So what I think is because they've cut the internet,

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Speaker 16: because they've tried to shelter what's actually happening in that

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Speaker 16: country from from the world tells me it's a lot

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Speaker 16: worse than what it really is. And you know, when

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Speaker 16: when when the general public becomes an uprising, it gets

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Speaker 16: to a tipping point where all of a sudden it's

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Speaker 16: tipping in their favor, And I think we're very close

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Speaker 16: to that. So I think if I was in the neighborhood,

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Speaker 16: this is gonna be pivotal for them. They're funding Hesbal

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Speaker 16: a Hamas, all the terrorist groups all around, probably uh

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Speaker 16: in Yemen too, and and so I think I'd like

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Speaker 16: to see them step.

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Speaker 10: Up and help help Iran tip to the to the freedom.

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Speaker 10: But I don't see.

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Speaker 16: Our involvement being anything at the present time, and certainly

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Speaker 16: not boots on the ground in the end.

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Speaker 1: Now, last question before I moved to the fame court cases.

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Speaker 1: I sort of see Iran as ruthless, beyond ruthless, like

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Speaker 1: Stalin ruthless and Mile Ruslis. They've mowed down at least

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Speaker 1: five thousand people, maybe double that number. They've put that

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Speaker 1: number of people in prison. That's in one week. So

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Speaker 1: I just want to go back to Operation Midnight Hammer.

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Speaker 1: I'm very glad the President blew up their nuclear program

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Speaker 1: because I think these people would threaten and would use

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons against Israel. Have you factored that in yet

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Speaker 1: to your assessment of Midnight Hammer?

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Speaker 16: I have bought them, Yes, I have, and I think

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Speaker 16: it absolutely was a very precise mission that achieved the

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Speaker 16: desired results. I had to kind of laugh because remember

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Speaker 16: bag Dad Bob from Iraq. Yeah, he kept saying everything's

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01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 16: great and his country's folding around. Well, they had one

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Speaker 16: of the defense ministers or something on from Iran and

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Speaker 16: he said, well, if the US gets into this. It's

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Speaker 16: going to be another failed thing like they did in June.

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Speaker 10: I'm like, you mean when we took.

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Speaker 16: Your nuclear facilities out successfully.

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Speaker 10: So I mean they don't.

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Speaker 16: Even have a shred of truth in any of this.

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Speaker 16: And so I do think by defanging that the moral

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Speaker 16: structure there is so much different that they could justify

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Speaker 16: in the name of a radical religion wiping out the

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Speaker 16: free world with their nuclear capabilities, and thank goodness, are

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Speaker 16: not going to be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: I think you're referring to Brett Behar's interview at the

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Speaker 1: Foreign Minister last night. It was a Bagdad Bob moment.

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Speaker 1: He blamed the Jews. In the end, he said the

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Speaker 1: Jews were killing the protesters in Tehran and it was

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01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: so insane, But we got to get a carrier group

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01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: there because if they fire off all those ballistic missiles,

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Speaker 1: we help Israel prevent the worst. Now let's turn the

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Speaker 1: title nine Senator, because West Virginia and Idaho both past

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Speaker 1: statutes that are pretty simply put, boys may not playing girls.

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01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: We have three categories, boys, girls, and people are confused,

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Speaker 1: and about those people, we want to have compassion and care,

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Speaker 1: but we also want to protect girls. Sports and spaces,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's going to be close on

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Speaker 1: this Preme credit. Listen to a lot of the argument

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Speaker 1: they might get Justice Brown Jackson on some critical legal

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01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: theories out there from a different legal planet than I've

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01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: been on for a long time. I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to win in the state of West Virginia. Walking away,

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Speaker 1: what was your sense after the argument.

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Speaker 10: I definitely think that we will win.

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Speaker 16: I mean, it's just a common sense fairness issue in

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Speaker 16: my view. I mean, here again, I'm dating myself, but

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Speaker 16: you know, I remember when Title nine came into being.

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Speaker 16: I was actually playing a sport at college at the time,

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Speaker 16: and the differences that the Title nine made in women's sports,

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Speaker 16: just in the very beginning was amazing to watch.

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Speaker 10: And so now it's even more and more.

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Speaker 16: And I think we've encouraged our girls, we've encouraged women's sports.

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Speaker 10: They're all kind of betterfit.

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Speaker 16: It's to sports that we don't even talk about besides

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Speaker 16: winning and losing in physical prowess and so.

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Speaker 10: But if you're if you're.

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Speaker 16: Gonna throw a kinker in here and have an unfair competition, UH,

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Speaker 16: it depresses the team, the sport and UH.

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Speaker 10: And the ability to participate. Honestly, I'm with you.

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Speaker 16: I have compassion for people that are in this in

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Speaker 16: this category, like the young lady in West Virginia. But

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Speaker 16: at the same time, she's made a choice, and the

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Speaker 16: choice is if if you make this choice, you're not

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Speaker 16: going to be permitted to play in girls sports. I mean,

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Speaker 16: that's that's a logical choice. We make choices every day,

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Speaker 16: and that's a choice that she's made. And so you know,

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Speaker 16: we'll see I think I think it's gonna be overwhelming.

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Speaker 10: I didn't see it.

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Speaker 16: I didn't hear any argument that was compelling at all,

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Speaker 16: especially when you said, Alito is like, can you.

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01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 10: Define a girl? And they're like, well, we didn't really

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Speaker 10: look into that. Well, then how am I going to

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Speaker 10: tell you.

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Speaker 16: What girls can play in girl sports? If you don't

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Speaker 16: tell me what a girl is?

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Speaker 1: And don't get an argument with him or Justice Thomas,

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Speaker 1: because he said, okay, no, Title nine is supposed to

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Speaker 1: protect girl sports. If we can't define girl how are

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01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: we supposed to protect girl sports? And the poor Isaila

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01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: lawyer was absolutely speechless because it is a ninety five

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Speaker 1: to five issue. So Senator Scott wake global on you.

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01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to go global on you. I think the

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01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 1: Democratic Party has lost the theme. I think they've gone

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Speaker 1: off the left edge because of their activist base, and

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01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: they've lost touch on so many things. And they're deranged

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01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: by President Trump. They really he's got on their brain.

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Speaker 1: As your former colleague now Vice President Vance has. Do

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Speaker 1: any of them come up to you in the Senate

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Speaker 1: and say, I don't know what happened to the party

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Speaker 1: I started with twenty years ago, because this is not

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party of our youth with Scoop Jackson and

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Speaker 1: Democrats like that. Got a minute, Senator, Well, you.

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Speaker 16: Know, I look at my own state that was totally

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Speaker 16: run by the Democrats for eighty years, and guess what,

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Speaker 16: there's not a single officeholder now there except maybe seven

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Speaker 16: in the state legislature. It is a different party. You know,

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Speaker 16: they don't seem to be as bothered about it as

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Speaker 16: I would be. I guess because they can still win

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Speaker 16: in plockets of this country that would give them significant representation.

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01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 16: You know, when they win in Georgia, that's that's a problem.

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Speaker 16: They may not hopefully they won't win again there, but

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Speaker 16: you know, they are appealing to every parts of their party,

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Speaker 16: and even though it's shrinking.

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Speaker 10: I think they think that they're on the high ground.

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Speaker 1: Well, my head is off to you, Chairwoman Collins. Everyone

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Speaker 1: on Approach for getting the work done, and West Virginia

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Speaker 1: for leading away with Idaho on common sense legislation on

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Speaker 1: girls and boys sports, and we agree on ron All.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, s editor, thank you for

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Speaker 1: appearing on the u USh. I'll be right back in America.

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Speaker 1: Stayed