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Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now you've been programmed to believe

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Speaker 1: Your teachers told specific lies designed to make you hate

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Speaker 1: your own country. But why today Professor Wilfrid Riley is

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Speaker 1: going to join us in the fearless Zone. He's going

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Speaker 1: what they were doing and destroy those specific narratives the

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Speaker 1: education system uses to brainwash you and your kids. He

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Speaker 1: names the lies, he names the liars, He proves why

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Speaker 1: And here it's not just history. It's about the war

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Speaker 1: for your mind. Don't click away. You need to get

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Speaker 1: all the information you need to arm yourself against the nonsense.

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Speaker 1: And it starts right now. I've got to ask you

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Speaker 1: people don't have to apologize for being white anymore, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. I'm Italian and heritage. I'm proud

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Speaker 2: In the United States of America, you don't have to

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Speaker 3: For college, because we.

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Speaker 2: Judge people based on who they are, not on ethnicity

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think there's a problem with saying what

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a ridiculous element of political correctness that

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Speaker 4: And I think the Republicans have been at least as

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Speaker 3: Saying white people have.

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Speaker 4: Done a lot for this country, which is so obviously

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. It is, Wilfred Riley, go get

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Speaker 1: this book. It's called Lies. My liberal teacher told me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So Lives, my liberal teacher told me, is my

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Speaker 4: So basically chapters one through ten one, I look at slavery.

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Speaker 4: But you can make those arguments, you can compare past

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Speaker 4: societies to us today. The problem is that the same

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Speaker 4: people saying that about us whites or middle class blacks

435
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Speaker 4: or something like that, never take that same slide rule

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Speaker 4: and apply it to the Aztecs or the Zulus or

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Speaker 4: the Mongols who conquered half the world and tore down

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Speaker 4: all the buildings so their horses could graze. And I

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Speaker 4: think the reason that they don't is that they feel

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Speaker 4: that only we can be criticized, because only the people

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Speaker 4: that are successful at any given time can be bad.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the best read I can do on

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Speaker 4: left wing philosophy, which is pretty incoherent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but well, well let me talk you though, because

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Speaker 1: then they would hate every other society that they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: They all at one point were very successful. So why

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Speaker 1: are we the bad guys because we're successful today, because

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Speaker 1: we're on the top today, we're the superpower today? Whatever mean?

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Speaker 1: Because the Aztecs, the Mayans that that you talk about,

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Speaker 1: the Iroquois and the and the law Agonquin or whatever

451
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Speaker 1: it was, they were all extremely successful and really bad

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Speaker 1: it did really bad things to get whatever that success was.

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Speaker 1: Yet they're somehow the downtrodden and the victims of us

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Speaker 1: because we're successful today. Is it is this this sort

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Speaker 1: sort of let's go by the clock and by the

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Speaker 1: date and whoever is a really they're really successful one

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Speaker 1: today sucks?

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Speaker 4: Is that it sort of? I mean, we beat them,

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Speaker 4: so we have to be even worse. So like this

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Speaker 4: really isn't I mean, it really doesn't make a lot

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Speaker 4: of sense. But like Tom Skull actually summed this up

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Speaker 4: and said, basically, the idea is that disparities equal discrimination

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Speaker 4: and positive disparities equal oppression.

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Speaker 3: If that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: So if you see a disparity between men and women

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Speaker 4: where men have more money, that must be because men

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Speaker 4: are oppressing women. So if you look at history and

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Speaker 4: you see that certain groups have dominated, you can probably

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Speaker 4: say that, say the Mongols oppressed the Chinese or something

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Speaker 4: like that. But if we are the people that are

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Speaker 4: in charge now, and if Westerners beat the descendants of

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Speaker 4: the Mongols and the descendants of the Aztecs and the

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Speaker 4: descendants of the Mexicans and so on, which they kind

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Speaker 4: of did, then this must be the most oppressive culture

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Speaker 4: and history, even if the people that the West fought

476
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Speaker 4: almost won and did much worse things. And in reality

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Speaker 4: that as a final sentence, that doesn't really make any sense.

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Speaker 4: The Westerners won basically because they had better guns and boats. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: their actual philosophy was much kinder. It made a lot

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Speaker 4: more sense. But once you accept that Marxist idea like

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Speaker 4: two win means you're evil, a lot of problems follow

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Speaker 4: from that.

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Speaker 1: It's Wilfred Riley, go and get his book Lives, my

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Speaker 1: liberal teacher told me, but out for about a year.

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Speaker 1: I've got to get one more from you before we

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Speaker 1: run out of time. Got about five minutes left. I

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Speaker 1: got to get into the Southern strategy because the lie

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Speaker 1: that somehow the parties changed hands. They just completely said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're a Democrat, welcome to the Republican Party. I'm a Republican.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go be a Democrat.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: There was no conference, no big convention, they didn't hand

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Speaker 1: over their voting cards. The big switch never happened. But

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Speaker 1: oftentimes when you say that, what the left will throw

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Speaker 1: back in your faces. Yeah, with the Southern strategy isn't

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Speaker 1: those poor blacks in the South to make it more

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Speaker 1: racist and more Republican? When I think by histories, just

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Speaker 1: by the facts of history. As the South became more Republican,

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Speaker 1: it became far less racist than it was before. What

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Speaker 1: was the Southern strategy? Was it some overwhelming racist thing

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Speaker 1: that we're all told it was.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Southern strategy argument is an interesting argument. This

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Speaker 4: might be one of my weaker answers. That was one

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Speaker 4: of the shorter chapters. But the Southern strategy argument is

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Speaker 4: when a Republican points out that the Democrats actually have

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Speaker 4: a worse history on race than the Republicans do, which

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Speaker 4: is undisputed. I mean the Republican Yeah, the Republican Party

508
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Speaker 4: was founded specifically to fight slavery. Like honest Ave Lincoln

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Speaker 4: was a Republican. The Democrats in the South for many

510
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Speaker 4: years were the armed wing of the pro slavery movement,

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Speaker 4: and the KKK was the armed wing of the Democratic Party. Yes,

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Speaker 4: any competent Southern historian will tell you that you had battles.

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Speaker 4: There's a great book, Negroes with Guns, which talks about

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Speaker 4: black and poor white fighters against like armed Democratic militias.

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Speaker 4: You know, honors were about even on both sides. But

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Speaker 4: there were battles, I mean, forty men shot. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: so the Democrats have a worse history on race than

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Speaker 4: the Republicans do. And if you point this out as

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Speaker 4: a Republican, what a smart Democrat will generally.

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Speaker 3: Say is yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: But things changed around sixty five sixty six, right after

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Speaker 4: Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act.

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Speaker 3: And I mean Lyndon Baines.

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Speaker 4: Johnson was not a modest man or a non profane man.

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Speaker 4: I mean one of his quotes was, you know, I

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Speaker 4: have them in words, voting Democrat for you know.

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Speaker 3: It was it the next fifty five years something like that.

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Speaker 1: I think you said two hundred years, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Next two hundred years, yeah, yead so he was, yet

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Speaker 3: he had big dreams.

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Speaker 4: That the bad guy this guy yeah good yeah, And

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Speaker 4: I mean almost every one of every race was back then.

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Speaker 3: I just to you, gotta be fair about it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like pro inter racial dating was like four

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Speaker 4: percent of white six percent of blacks, right, but anyway,

536
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Speaker 4: so like, but so that that's the general idea the

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Speaker 4: party's just switched on the dot.

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Speaker 3: The problem with that is that it doesn't really hold up.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the uh, the Dixiecrats were all still Democrats.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Dixiecrats were a bit before the Civil Right, Zach,

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Speaker 4: But Dixiecrats were all Democrats when they ran. And if

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Speaker 4: you look at Southern Democrats through the mid nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 4: almost all of the former Dixiecrats and almost all of

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Speaker 4: the former Democratic racists remained in the Democratic Party. You're

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Speaker 4: talking about Bob BYRD and so on down the line.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Bill Clinton still won substantial chunks of the

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Speaker 4: South at ninety two and ninety six. So what I

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Speaker 4: find when I actually look at the data is that

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Speaker 4: you don't see any substantial rapid move away from the

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Speaker 4: Democrats and toward the Republicans, even among Southern poor whites.

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Speaker 3: You do see some shift six percent, But what.

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Speaker 4: Really actually moves the South toward the Republican Party is

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Speaker 4: the transition of kind of executive class, not particularly racist

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Speaker 4: people to the South and the West from the rest

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Speaker 4: of the country. Right, And that this is something that

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Speaker 4: the first people to talk about the other shift just

557
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Speaker 4: kind of ignored the Midwest and even the Northeast in

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Speaker 4: the USA. Are you hate to say this, but declining regions.

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Speaker 4: When you look at the fastest growing cities in the country,

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Speaker 4: it's almost invariably Nashville, Austin, so on down the line

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Speaker 4: right now, said Jacksonville, Atlanta, the Atlanta suburb. That's true

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Speaker 4: for whites and blacks, so as just people from the USA,

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Speaker 4: the New York suburbs. People are fleeing Chicago in puting

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Speaker 4: a lot of black professionals. As those people moved to

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Speaker 4: the South, a lot of them started voting Republican, and

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Speaker 4: that dramatically shifted the pool of voters that you had

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Speaker 4: in the South. I think that's what really changed Southern

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Speaker 4: voting patterns. And this is at least a debate in

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Speaker 4: political science. But if you were going to thank God,

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Speaker 4: no one last line. If you're going to thank one

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Speaker 4: person for the transition in the South, it would probably

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Speaker 4: be Willis Carrier, who's the guy who invented the air conditioner.

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Speaker 4: I mean, because before that you couldn't just live You

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Speaker 4: couldn't just move from Maine to Florida and act like

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Speaker 4: they're wasn't going to be a transition that was going

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Speaker 4: to affect your family as it is now though, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you can live in a very similar environment everywhere in

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Speaker 4: the country. You can use central air in your house,

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Speaker 4: you can shop at pretty much the same stores for

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Speaker 4: your wife. And as that happened, you've seen a lot

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Speaker 4: less dissimilarity between the South and the rest of the country.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's really notable.

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Speaker 1: Plus of Carriers moving south, he had to make the

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Speaker 1: air conditioner or else they couldn't live here. It's Wilfrid Riley.

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Speaker 1: Go and get his book Lives. My liberal teacher told me,

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Speaker 1: I'll finish with this and tell me if you agree

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Speaker 1: with this. My friend denex to Susas said this, and

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Speaker 1: he did this in one of his books for documentaries,

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Speaker 1: that black Americans didn't start voting Democrat because of the

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Speaker 1: Civil Rights Actor of nineteen sixty four. They started voting

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Speaker 1: Democrat because our Franklin Dela Rosa FDR. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: say RFK. For some reason, FDR decided that he would

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Speaker 1: say I'm gonna give you guys everything that you want

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Speaker 1: in the New Deal, and then he left out the

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Speaker 1: jobs that most blacks and Hispanics were doing back then.

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Speaker 1: They made a promise and they lied, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of Black Americans that were always voting Republican up until

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Speaker 1: the twenties and thirties held the noses and voted Democrat,

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Speaker 1: thinking that their economic situation would get better. And that's

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Speaker 1: something that nobody's taught in school. Do you agree with

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Speaker 1: that that black Americans made that switch? They were all

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Speaker 1: Republican before then, but FDR said, I will give you

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff, just vote for us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that played a role.

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Speaker 4: I think with poor Americans in general, there was kind

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Speaker 4: of a devil's bargain, which was as the welfare system grows,

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Speaker 4: do you vote kind of those traditional ideals that you've had.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the GOP really was the anti racist party.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think both poor whites and blacks, you're

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Speaker 4: generally very religious. Do you vote in this direction or

611
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Speaker 4: do you vote for the guy who says that I'm

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Speaker 4: going to give you a X amount of money. And

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Speaker 4: I mean we see this now with the parties and

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Speaker 4: in particular the Democrats appealing to the young voter. I mean, Biden,

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Speaker 4: I'm a college prop Biden, Flatley said at one point,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna forget all of your student loans. Now that's illegal.

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Speaker 4: The courts didn't let him do it. But that's the

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Speaker 4: eternal problem for democracy, right. Cannet Democracy survive once the

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Speaker 4: voters realize they can keep voting themselves things from the

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Speaker 4: public trough. And we're at a point now where we're

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Speaker 4: gonna have to see whether it can or it can't.

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Speaker 1: It is a Wilfred Roddy. Go get this book called lies.

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Speaker 1: My liberal teacher told me go follow him everywhere, a

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Speaker 1: great follow on X late at night. I'll see some

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Speaker 1: of you, some of your retorts, they're awesome. Will underscore duh,

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Speaker 1: underscore a beast six point thirty over there, Wilfrid. Thanksamelia,

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year. If I don't see you,

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Speaker 1: thanks so.

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Speaker 3: Much, Merry Christmas. Joe, thank you all right.

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Speaker 1: That's it for unshaking and unafraid with Joe PAGs for

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Speaker 1: this time, Another one to drop very soon,