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Speaker 1: Thursday edition. Kevin McCullough couldn't be happier than to be

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Speaker 8: This is comment Saday.

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Speaker 1: that Kevin show, that kevinshow dot com. Well, it may

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Speaker 10: Women definitely feel like they're not getting the truth about

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Speaker 10: Fifty three percent overall of women across all six states

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Speaker 10: communicated to us that they felt misled when they learn

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Speaker 10: learn more about the reality and inaffordability of these climate policies,

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Speaker 10: because many of these climate policies, as our center has

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Speaker 10: been tracking, have been adopted within the last five to

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Speaker 10: ten years, very aggressively in the New England states. So

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Speaker 10: it's not a coincidence that these higher costs are associated

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Speaker 10: with the implementation of these green policies. It's not President

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Speaker 10: Trump's agenda. It's not oil and gas companies that are

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Speaker 10: determining prices. They have nothing to do with electricity prices.

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Speaker 10: It's the utility companies, some of which are regulated or deregulated,

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Speaker 10: and that doesn't mean it's market friendly. It's just just

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Speaker 10: how electricity markets are operated in the United States. They're

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Speaker 10: responding to pressures and they're often implementing cost of compliance

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Speaker 10: from green mandates that are handed down in state legislatures.

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Speaker 10: So that is why, especially New England, which tends to

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Speaker 10: be a more progressive set.

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Speaker 11: So obviously there are a couple states in New England.

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Speaker 1: These are one of the areas that adopted the green

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Speaker 1: stuff first. Because that's yes, aggressively.

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Speaker 11: Yes, yes, So why New England.

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Speaker 10: To your earlier point, New England, there are a couple

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Speaker 10: states which are what competitive Maine in New Hampshire are

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Speaker 10: ones that we're looking at for on our Sea four side,

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Speaker 10: and we thought, okay, so if we examine the whole

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Speaker 10: region part of you know, and this was done in

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Speaker 10: our C three.

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Speaker 11: This is not a C four.

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Speaker 10: Poll, so it's it's not political in the sense of

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Speaker 10: like examining partisan thinking.

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Speaker 11: But our C three conducted this because we were very curious.

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Speaker 10: We knew this area was historically progressive for the last century.

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Speaker 11: What are women thinking there?

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Speaker 10: And also women The reason why we don't see them

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Speaker 10: necessarily embracing energy abundance as openly as men is because

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Speaker 10: women tend to support environmentalist efforts over energy development, or

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Speaker 10: if they support energy development, they like renewables, solar and

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Speaker 10: wind in particular.

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Speaker 11: But what our poll.

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Speaker 10: Found was actually, once they're presented more information that the

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Speaker 10: true costs of these green policies, when they learn about

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Speaker 10: how natural gas and nuclear tend to occupy more of

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Speaker 10: the grid than solar and wind, they start to have

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Speaker 10: questions and then they start to challenge. We think that

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Speaker 10: they're starting to challenge that putting the environment above economic

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Speaker 10: prosperity or practicality is a question they're going to wrestle with,

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Speaker 10: especially as they start to look at their utility bills

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Speaker 10: and see it steadily increase, even beyond the increases they've

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Speaker 10: seen across the last five years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if the Tri State is considered

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Speaker 1: part of the New England survey, but I do know

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Speaker 1: that I've heard from many bill paying mamas in the

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Speaker 1: Tri State area over the last few weeks that they

489
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Speaker 1: are scared to death of what this cold snap is

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Speaker 1: going to appear as in their heating bill next month.

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Speaker 1: And I think for good reason. They've been told up

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Speaker 1: here for a while that energy is going to be

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Speaker 1: a lot more expensive.

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Speaker 10: They're told that natural gas, adding more of it or

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Speaker 10: any new capacity would make it more expensive. But as

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Speaker 10: we've talked about before, Kevin, it's not adding more natural gas.

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Speaker 10: They have routinely blocked pipelines in New England, and funny enough,

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Speaker 10: I think Constitution pipeline coming from the Marcella's shale through

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Speaker 10: New York City to then be trans to have those

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Speaker 10: reserves transported into Connecticut and then Greater New England. It's

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Speaker 10: finally starting to get some headway and possibly come online

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Speaker 10: in twenty twenty seven. But that project would have helped

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Speaker 10: alleviate prices but New England states were just too.

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Speaker 11: Gung ho about going green.

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Speaker 10: But now we start to see Connecticut, Massachusetts, evehn, you.

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Speaker 11: See the Democrats.

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Speaker 10: They're infighting amongst themselves about affordability, not working in concert

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Speaker 10: with the climate policies.

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Speaker 11: I remember seeing a report.

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Speaker 10: Recently that the one of the committee chairmen challenged the governor,

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Speaker 10: Governor Healey about affordability and said, we need to have

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Speaker 10: these non binding components added to green legislation.

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Speaker 11: We can't force people to do this.

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Speaker 10: So when you have Democratic lawmakers in a very blue

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Speaker 10: state like Massachusetts telling the governor that your green policies

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Speaker 10: are adding to the costs of our constituents, you know

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Speaker 10: something is wrong.

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Speaker 1: So hold that thought. Gah, we got to take a break.

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Speaker 1: Come right back. Very fascinating discussion of long on. Here

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Speaker 1: he is from New York. That Kevin Kevin McCullough, All right,

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Speaker 1: we're back times square. Glad you're with us. Gaby Hoffman

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Speaker 1: is with us from the Independent Women's Forum. They can

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Speaker 1: find the results of this poll at independentwomen dot com.

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Speaker 10: I'm okay readily available and if you type in New

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Speaker 10: England Energy Survey, all the results will come out there.

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Speaker 1: The reason that I think that this is interesting is because,

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Speaker 1: and we were talking during the break, I think you

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Speaker 1: can be as much in favor of having green and

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Speaker 1: renewable and be sensitive to the environment and all that

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Speaker 1: stuff as much as you want to. The minute you

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Speaker 1: start chopping off the monthly budget for a mom to

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Speaker 1: feed and clothe her family, the minute you bite into

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Speaker 1: the necessary income that the mom needs to, you know,

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Speaker 1: make the families home what she wants it to be,

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Speaker 1: those things go right out the window. It's just a

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Speaker 1: matter of the rubber meeting the road, practicality, real life.

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Speaker 1: I got to pay bills. I think that you've got

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Speaker 1: to find solutions for this, and I'm glad to know

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Speaker 1: that i WF is up there asking people what they think.

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Speaker 10: Right And as you know, Kevin, I'm I consider myself

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Speaker 10: a conservationist. I like the outdoors, and I think most

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Speaker 10: of us do, regardless of your political affiliation.

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Speaker 11: We want to see a cleaner environment, clean air, clean water.

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Speaker 11: Nobody wants to have sludge.

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Speaker 10: A little bit of a ways for me, the Potomac

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Speaker 10: has like millions of gallons of sewage. Not quite in

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Speaker 10: the area where we consume drinking water.

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Speaker 11: But above DC that's a problem.

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Speaker 10: So I think you know, when you are presented with

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Speaker 10: glaringly clear environmental problems, you want those to be solved.

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Speaker 11: Does that mean you tax and spend people?

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Speaker 10: Does it mean instituting green green taxes or green fees?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 10: And I think even women are coming around to seeing

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Speaker 10: that my perhaps you know, intention to support a clean

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Speaker 10: environment this kind of emotion tie I have to the

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Speaker 10: cost would get trumped by higher costs associated with this

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Speaker 10: cause I'm supporting. So men understand this a little better.

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Speaker 10: Women are starting to come around. And that's what our

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Speaker 10: poll showed because for many, many years, the Associated Press

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Speaker 10: and u University of Chicago have always put out this

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Speaker 10: yearly poll that's been picked up by center right institutions

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Speaker 10: center left institutions that found that and increasingly actually over

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Speaker 10: the last few years, they have found that people are not.

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Speaker 11: Of course, overall, the top.

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Speaker 10: Line finding was people do not want to pay more

567
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Speaker 10: than one dollar a month to fight climate change or

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Speaker 10: to support green policies. And the support for that was

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Speaker 10: like in the fifty percent tile in the last five years.

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Speaker 10: The last year when they asked people specifically, like are

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Speaker 10: you willing to pay even one more dollar, that figure

572
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Speaker 10: went down to thirty eight percent. So even one dollar

573
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Speaker 10: is too much each month for paying monthly bills because

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Speaker 10: people see those costs add up, and when your state

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Speaker 10: is adding these green fees, slapping those on, and those

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Speaker 10: add up, and you're noticing. In Massachusetts, I noticed in

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Speaker 10: a Twitter post someone broke down like an audit of

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Speaker 10: your utility bill in the state, and they found that

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Speaker 10: only seventeen percent of what your bill you're paying for

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Speaker 10: is actually going to electricity, forty five percent is going

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Speaker 10: to green made it's thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 1: Like I would lose my mind if that was if

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Speaker 1: the and I don't I don't even want to look

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Speaker 1: at the bill that we pay. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: good thing the Lovely Bride does it, because I think

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Speaker 1: I probably would. But that's that's criminal.

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Speaker 10: Every state should demand this. Every person in New England

588
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Speaker 10: should demand an audit. I don't know if this guy

589
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Speaker 10: used a tool, he might have some access to something,

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Speaker 10: but the way that he calculated that, I bet you

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Speaker 10: that's not just exclusive to Massachusetts. I bet all the

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Speaker 10: New England states and maybe a lot of these blue

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Speaker 10: states do something similar.

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Speaker 1: I think you're probably right. Give me another finding or

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Speaker 1: two from the poll that you were surprised or at

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Speaker 1: least very pleased to see happen.

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Speaker 10: I was very astonished in a positive way to see

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Speaker 10: the growing support for natural gas.

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Speaker 11: I alluded to this earlier.

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Speaker 10: How policymakers in the region above New York, of course

601
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Speaker 10: had this reluctance to allow for natural gas pipelines or

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Speaker 10: natural gas infrastructure. They wanted to even close that terminal

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Speaker 10: in Massachusetts because it wasn't fitting into the Biden Harris

604
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Speaker 10: agenda of it being in the public interest. So that

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Speaker 10: really did almost kind of harm this LNG terminal that

606
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Speaker 10: is very integral for I believe it was experts or imports,

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Speaker 10: one of the other I think for imports, maybe in

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Speaker 10: New England.

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Speaker 11: So they were set to close that.

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Speaker 10: I think the Trump administration said, no, we need to

611
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Speaker 10: keep this online. This is a very important place for

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Speaker 10: taking in imports of lerg or exporting energy in the region.

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Speaker 10: So even something like that, which shouldn't be controversial, was

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Speaker 10: kept alive. But women, even though they had always had

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Speaker 10: the skepticism of natural gas they thought it was a dirty,

616
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Speaker 10: ugly fossil fuel, they have seen the value and the

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Speaker 10: importance of having it, especially with winter storms or volatility

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Speaker 10: with weather or just unforeseen know, things that happen, and

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Speaker 10: natural gas, which has been cast as this very bad

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Speaker 10: type of source, is not being seen as green. You

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Speaker 10: have states now adopting different laws recognizing it as a

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Speaker 10: green fuel, which I think is great. Maybe it's like

623
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Speaker 10: a it's a way to own the libs. I'm not

624
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Speaker 10: sure if that's the intent behind it, so to speak,

625
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Speaker 10: but it is a green, clean burning fuel it amidst

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Speaker 10: lower emissions.

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Speaker 11: I like coal.

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Speaker 10: That doesn't mean that, you know, you know, supporting this

629
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Speaker 10: over coal means coal doesn't have a value.

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Speaker 11: I think coal can work in various different places.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be probably the third largest electricity generation source,

632
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Speaker 10: and that's what it's showing to us now that it is.

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Speaker 10: But we saw in New England that they had to

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Speaker 10: go back to petroleum oil and natural gas, primarily petroleum oil,

635
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Speaker 10: which I don't think it's fine. I think there's plenty

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Speaker 10: of resources and there should be a reserve there. But

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Speaker 10: I would think that in those states they have not

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Speaker 10: planned to have permanent reserves. They want to move away

639
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Speaker 10: from that. With all this adoption of renewable solar move

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Speaker 10: into particular, so women, this was even done before the

641
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Speaker 10: storm came out. We had released we had conducted the

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Speaker 10: pole November time frame through December, so right before winterstorm

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Speaker 10: Firm Caine. But this was top of mind for women,

644
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Speaker 10: like what source is going to keep the lights on,

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Speaker 10: keep me warm if a storm is going to happen,

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Speaker 10: and they inclined to natural gas. They like geothermal and

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Speaker 10: geothermal is a great resource. So there's not that many

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Speaker 10: deposits in New England or the northeast. You find those

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Speaker 10: more out west. And we do have a little bit

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Speaker 10: to work on with nuclear. That's something we would like

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Speaker 10: to help change. And for some reason women again back

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Speaker 10: to this environmental question, they think nuclear is more dangerous

653
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Speaker 10: because of the waste component. But the waste, as you know,

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Speaker 10: is very safely stored, and the waste that we have

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Speaker 10: available now are that is stored, that is spent fuel

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Speaker 10: no longer in use for powering these reactors. It can

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Speaker 10: fit one and a half football fields essentially, and you

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Speaker 10: only need the equivalent of like a soda can worth

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Speaker 10: of nuclear to power your entire life. That's very illuminating,

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Speaker 10: very positive in my opinion. But for some reason, women

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Speaker 10: are terrified because of a Soviet failure in Chernobyl, which

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Speaker 10: and even Fukushima and Three Mile Island.

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Speaker 11: Thankfully those didn't have any casualties.

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Speaker 10: And since those incidences have occurred, the industry has said

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Speaker 1: The standards, the standards on reactors and particularly the mobile

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Speaker 11: Thank you for being here, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 11: Let's do it against you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mention this yesterday, but I did see the

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be disrespectful to the Pope. I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not my desire to denegrade someone who

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Speaker 1: as justification, I think you open yourself up to biblical

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Speaker 1: critical thinking. And yesterday Pope Leo came out and implied

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Speaker 1: Jesus himself. And of course, because the Pope said it,

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Speaker 1: And so they went and found speaker Mike Johnson, who

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Speaker 1: to the Jesus of the Bible, and so they ask him, well,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about what pop Leo said? And

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Speaker 1: based on scripture, you need to make sure that your

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Speaker 1: might have on the Catholics, I'm just going to say this,

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Speaker 1: average better than Catholics do. And so I don't mean

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Speaker 1: that to be, you know, denigrating to anyone. But when

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Speaker 1: with a scripture and an entire you know, thought out

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Speaker 1: that's you just should you should expect that. So that's

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Speaker 1: going forward. All Right, Yesterday I was kind of uncharacteristically giddy.

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Speaker 1: Here's another piece of interesting news yesterday. Pope Leo. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not Catholic, and I'd mean no disrespect to the

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Speaker 1: Romans thirteen, a passage that has more or less anchored

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Speaker 1: law matters, order matters, and caring about them is not

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Speaker 1: a betrayal of Christian compassion. It's an expression of it.

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Speaker 1: That response, reported by Fox News last night, was thoughtful, grounded,

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Speaker 1: biblically sound, and consistent, and it stands in sharp contrast

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Speaker 1: to much of what passes today for fail based commentary

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have friends that are like, well, we're

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Speaker 1: respectfully to Pope Leo. As the spiritual leader of more

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Speaker 1: and when he speaks about migrants and borders and national responsibility,

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Speaker 1: and in this case he should know better. Christian compassion

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Speaker 1: does not mean open borders. It never has, and you

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Speaker 1: Vatican City Scripture is clear on two parallel truths that

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Speaker 1: And Romans thirteen teaches that governing authorities are God's servants

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Speaker 1: that lawlessness is love, and it's not. And that matters

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Speaker 1: None of that is compassionate. None of that reflects christ

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Speaker 1: When leaders insist that enforcing immigration law is somehow Unchristian,

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Speaker 1: He welcomed the outcast. He also respected authority, He affirmed

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Speaker 1: The modern progressive religious narrative suggests that any restriction on

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Speaker 1: It's political, and it's done enormous harm, but it's not biblical.

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Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson's response cut through that fog. He reminded the

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Speaker 1: country that Christians are allowed, indeed obligated, to care about

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Speaker 1: both mercy and truth, about both compassion and responsibility. You

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Speaker 1: can welcome the stranger and still insist that entry be lawful.

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Speaker 1: You can help the poor and still secure your border.

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Speaker 1: You can be a Christian and still believe that sovereignty matters.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you cannot faithfully be one without believing that

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Speaker 1: because disorder always hurts the weakest. Firstanity is not a

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Speaker 1: talking point factory. It's a truth tradition. It teaches that

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Speaker 1: every person matters, and that order matters, and that justice matters,

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Speaker 1: and that responsibility matters. Speaker Johnson honored that tradition. He

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Speaker 1: didn't posture, he didn't pand er, he didn't perform. He

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Speaker 1: answered like a Christian who has actually read his Bible.

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Speaker 1: And in an age when so many leaders confuse sentimentality

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Speaker 1: with virtue, that's refreshing and necessary. We need more voices filling.

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Speaker 1: We need more voices willing to say what scripture actually says,

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Speaker 1: even when it's inconvenient. We need fewer sermons built on

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Speaker 1: feelings and more built on truth. We need compassion anchored

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Speaker 1: in wisdom. We need church leaders who remember that moral

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Speaker 1: clarity is not cruelty, it is love. So to Pope Leo,

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Speaker 1: with all due respect, please do better, not louder, not softer,

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Speaker 1: Better better grounded, better informed, better aligned with the word

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Speaker 1: you are called to defend. And to Speaker joh Hansen,

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Speaker 1: thank you for reminding the country that faith and facts

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Speaker 1: still belong in the same sentence. In times like these.

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Speaker 1: That takes courage and conviction. Both are in short supply,

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Speaker 1: but both are desperately need. I say that with all earnestness, sincere,

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Speaker 1: in respect, sincerity, in respect, pop Leo, you know better

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Speaker 1: and you can do better, so please do that. Kevin mccallach,

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Speaker 1: very glad to have you with us. We've got a

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Speaker 1: big hour straight ahead. I don't want you to go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: It's that Kevin's show.

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Speaker 3: Here he is from New York, that Kevin Kevin.

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Speaker 1: McCullough, all right, welcome back. It's that Kevin show, that

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Speaker 1: kevinshow dot com for all things related And if you

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Speaker 1: happen to be in the New York area in February,

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Speaker 1: we have an event, particularly for those of you that

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Speaker 1: are female by persuasion, and I'm assuming that you're the

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Speaker 1: kind of women that don't have confusion about what a

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Speaker 1: woman is. If you have confusion about what a woman is,

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Speaker 1: maybe you need a different kind of conference. But this

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Speaker 1: is the kind of conference where all women are encouraged

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Speaker 1: to come together. And it's going to happen in the

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Speaker 1: first week of February, February seventh, actually between Salem Media

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Speaker 1: of New York and the Christian Cultural Center, which is

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Speaker 1: one of our larger churches in the area, and one

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Speaker 1: of the speakers that are going to be with us

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Speaker 1: that day is Asherita Chuchu, who joins us now. And Asherita,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you you coming on. The theme of this

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Speaker 1: conference is an interesting one. It's tied simply enough. And

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Speaker 1: I've heard that word used by my mom and my

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Speaker 1: bride and my daughter in just so many different contexts

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Speaker 1: because it could be enough, or it could be enough,

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Speaker 1: or it could it could take on any number of

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Speaker 1: kind of connotations in the tone in which we use it.

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Speaker 1: But you're coming in to focus us on our focus

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Speaker 1: those in attendance. I am not a woman, I'm not

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Speaker 1: confused about this, but those that are in attendance, you're

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Speaker 1: you're going to focus in on some practical aspects of it.

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Speaker 1: First of all, welcome to the New York area. And

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Speaker 1: why is this important to you what you're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kevin, thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is so near and dear to my

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Speaker 13: heart because I grew up in a Christian family and

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Speaker 13: I had this idea that daily quiet time, daily time

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Speaker 13: with Jesus like it has to be, it has to

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Speaker 13: look a certain way, it has to last a certain

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Speaker 13: amount of time, ideally about an hour first thing in

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Speaker 13: the morning, with a cup of coffee at a quiet house.

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Speaker 11: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't because I've never lived than a house like that.

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Speaker 11: Oh, I mean there's an ideal.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to have a house like that,

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Speaker 1: but that is not my house and it's.

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Speaker 12: Not mine either, and I don't think any of us

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Speaker 12: have that ideal scenario.

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Speaker 4: But we strive for that.

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Speaker 12: We think, Oh, when I have that time, then I'll

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Speaker 12: sit down and read my Bible. When I have like

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Speaker 12: a half hour of uninterrupted quiet, then I will sit

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Speaker 12: down and pray. Or maybe it's a season of life,

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Speaker 12: like maybe once the kids are grown up and out

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Speaker 12: of the house, then I'll finally get serious about my

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Speaker 12: relationship with Jesus. Then I'll have time when I'm an

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Speaker 12: empty nester or when I'm retired, or we always push

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Speaker 12: for this ideal, perfect season, time and place, and that's

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Speaker 12: just not anyone's reality. Jesus invites all of us to

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Speaker 12: come to him right where we are, right what like,

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Speaker 12: whatever season of life we're in, to come and be

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Speaker 12: with him, and however much time we offer him, if

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Speaker 12: we give it to him from a sincere heart, he

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Speaker 12: can make it more than enough. I love this picture

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Speaker 12: of Jesus taking the bread and the fish from a

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Speaker 12: little boy, and this offering that's given with a sincere heart.

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Speaker 12: He can then multiply it to feed thousands of people.

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Speaker 12: That is encouragement that an older woman in my church

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Speaker 12: gave me when I was a young mom. Just I

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Speaker 12: was like, I think twenty four and I was like, Carmen,

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Speaker 12: I just I don't have time.

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Speaker 4: I don't have enough time to read my Bible.

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Speaker 12: And she said, Asherita, if two minutes is all you have,

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Speaker 12: give God your two minutes, and the God who multiplied

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Speaker 12: the bread and the fish, he will make it enough.

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Speaker 1: I love the practicality of that. But at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, you know, if you were to say

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Speaker 1: that in the context of a relationship, and let's just

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Speaker 1: say it's husband and wife and they say, well, I've

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Speaker 1: got two minutes for you at eleven thirty on a Friday,

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Speaker 1: that marriage probably wouldn't sustain very well. So is there

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Speaker 1: ever a balance to just the two or five or

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Speaker 1: ten or fifteen when you have it?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, here's what happens, Kevin, is the more

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Speaker 12: time that the more regularly we carve out those two

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Speaker 12: minutes or five minutes to spend with Jesus, the more

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Speaker 12: he draws our heart to him, the more our resistance

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Speaker 12: to that or our perceived ideal of what it should

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Speaker 12: look like, falls away, and we realized we have succumbs

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Speaker 12: to legalism. Like I don't need a quiet house. I

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Speaker 12: don't need a perfect cup of coffee. I don't need

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Speaker 12: sixty uninterrupted minutes. What I need is time with Jesus.

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Speaker 12: And often even for me, like I'll still do this,

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Speaker 12: I'll be like, Okay, I only have five minutes.

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Speaker 4: When I get into those five minutes, Kevin, I don't.

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Speaker 13: Want to leave.

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Speaker 12: So I'm like the dishes can sit in the stink

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Speaker 12: like that email can respond to you later. I want

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Speaker 12: more time with Jesus because he draws our hearts to himself.

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Speaker 12: We know from neuroscience this is how habits are formed.

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Speaker 12: You start small, and you link it to something you're

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Speaker 12: already doing, and you build consistency. So that is my

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Speaker 12: heart for women and men, for everyone, that we would

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Speaker 12: make time with Jesus, the one thing that we strive

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Speaker 12: for every day, the one thing that we look forward

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Speaker 12: to every day, and if you have to just tell yourself, okay,

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Speaker 12: it's just going to be a little bit, that's a

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Speaker 12: little mental trick.

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Speaker 1: That's better than none.

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Speaker 4: Get you.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it'll get you into his presence, and he'll multiply

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Speaker 12: that so you won't want to leave.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting because recently my pastor has been challenging

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Speaker 1: those of us that sit under his ministry to own

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. And one is that if you

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Speaker 1: are a person that follows Jesus. Number one, there is

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Speaker 1: no such thing as entirely person entirely private faith like

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Speaker 1: knowing Jesus. Following Jesus at some point, yes, we should

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Speaker 1: live our testimony in front of everybody, but at some

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Speaker 1: point we've got to use words to tell them about

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Speaker 1: it as well. That's one area of challenge he's been

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Speaker 1: giving us. But the other one has been for a

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Speaker 1: while to think about all aspects of practicing our faith

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Speaker 1: in different ways. So, for instance, we make witnessing very hard.

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Speaker 1: We think, well, I've got to have the perfect answer

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Speaker 1: to all the questions if somebody asks, and all that

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Speaker 1: usually does is end up leading us to a place

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Speaker 1: of not answering any questions ever, or even putting it

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Speaker 1: out into the conversation when it's possible, And the same

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Speaker 1: is kind of applicable to our personal study time, reinventing

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Speaker 1: the idea of what it means to commune or walk

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Speaker 1: with God. I mean, I know that in my own

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Speaker 1: life a lot of the time I've spent in the

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Speaker 1: car in the New York area, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that sit in a car for a long time

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Speaker 1: to and from their job. A little bit of worship

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Speaker 1: music and a little bit of focusing away from everything

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Speaker 1: else that's in the in going on in life can

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Speaker 1: draw me directly into sometimes a conversation with Him, saying, Lord,

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Speaker 1: I need your help on this. This is something that

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Speaker 1: I really failed in yesterday. Give me wisdom on that today.

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Speaker 1: It's not always that I have the ability to be

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Speaker 1: listening to the word, but you can also do that

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Speaker 1: via word on tape, you know, not on tape, nothing's

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Speaker 1: been on tape for years, but in audio form. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's just a matter of kind of practically reclaiming,

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Speaker 1: you know, some of our priorities and some of our

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Speaker 1: wasted time. I think about, you know, how much time

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Speaker 1: people spend playing candy crush and stuff like that, and

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Speaker 1: even if you exchanged fifty percent of what you were

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Speaker 1: doing with that for time with Jesus, it would be

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Speaker 1: worth it.

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Speaker 12: I love that you bring that up, Vin, because there

1051
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Speaker 12: is such freedom and creativity in our relationship with God.

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Speaker 12: And you brought up so many examples I would say too,

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Speaker 12: like going outside for five minutes first thing in the

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Speaker 12: morning and watching the sun come up over the horizon,

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Speaker 12: Like it's scientifically proven to affect our brain's neuro chemistry

1056
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Speaker 12: and to improve the feel good hormones in our brain

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Speaker 12: if you just take five minutes in the morning to

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Speaker 12: look at the sun come over the horizon, just Lord

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Speaker 12: saying your mercies are new this morning. Great is your faithfulness,

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Speaker 12: like you said, like walk through the last twenty four

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Speaker 12: hours and give thanks for the gifts of God in

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Speaker 12: your life, the small glimmers of joy that the fingerprints

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Speaker 12: of God all over your life and your child's hug

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Speaker 12: or in the person who paid for your Starbucks in

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Speaker 12: line ahead of you, or you know, just pause and

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Speaker 12: recognize God's presence with you. And what I love to

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Speaker 12: encourage people to you is, you know, we started out

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Speaker 12: by talking about just the two minutes, and it can

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Speaker 12: be enough, But what happens is you link up these

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Speaker 12: tiny habits of being with Jesus in the car, listening

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Speaker 12: to the Word as you if you're a woman, put

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Speaker 12: on makeup. If you're a guy, I don't know, shave

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Speaker 12: like listening to the Word as you're doing that. Replace

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Speaker 12: scrolling on your phone or being on social media first

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Speaker 12: thing in the morning with being in the Word. As

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Speaker 12: we fill our lives with these tiny habits, these small

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Speaker 12: touch points.

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Speaker 4: With God, he fills.

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Speaker 11: Our lives with more of himself.

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Speaker 3: And again, that is enough.

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Speaker 1: It's a given promise. All right, friends, come February seventh

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Speaker 1: in New York is All the details are at WMCA

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Speaker 1: dot com. That's my flagship station in New York City,

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Speaker 1: So go to WMC dot com and you can literally

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Speaker 1: come from anywhere in the country. But it's called Enough,

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Speaker 1: a conference for all women, and Esherita Chu two will

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Speaker 1: be one of the great teachers that they've got planned

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Speaker 1: for that day. I share read it. Thanks for spending

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Speaker 1: some time with us today. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Kevin, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 11: And I'm super excited about the conference. Can't wait to

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Speaker 11: see so many women there in.

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Speaker 1: New York City, coming right back from Times Squared. Uncle, Why.

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Speaker 9: Let's stick around for more of that. Kevin next.

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Speaker 3: Here he is from New York. That Kevin. Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you

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Speaker 1: with us as we continue to roll on on the

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Speaker 1: Thursday edition. Some updated news on a story we started

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Speaker 1: following for you more than a year ago and for

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Speaker 1: those of you that are just getting the show in

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Speaker 1: recent weeks. Yeah, we've been around for a while, but

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Speaker 1: this is one that I was watching because there were

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Speaker 1: girls that were getting hurt. There were girls that were

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Speaker 1: getting physically injured, and then there were other girls that

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Speaker 1: were being i don't know, morally intimidated and psychologically hurt.

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Speaker 1: But there's been some response here. Welcome to that Kevin show.

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Speaker 1: Glad you're with us. The parents of former San Jose

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Speaker 1: State University volleyball co captain Brooke Slusser made their first

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Speaker 1: public statement since the US Department of Education has determined

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Speaker 1: that San Jose State University violated Title nine. While while

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Speaker 1: Slusser was enrolled, she emerged as a central figure opposing

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Speaker 1: the university during a twenty twenty four scandal involving transathlete

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Speaker 1: Blair Fleming, trans athlete translation a dude. Slusser filed a

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Speaker 1: lawsuit against representatives of San Jose State University and the

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Speaker 1: Mountain West Conference after she was made to share a

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Speaker 1: bedroom and changing spaces with Fleming without being told of

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Speaker 1: Fleming's biological sex. Okay, you're probably going to run into

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Speaker 1: a tough outcome on this anyway, University, but to do

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Speaker 1: so without informing the girl. The Education Department concluded that

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Speaker 1: the transathlete conspired with an opposing player to have an

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Speaker 1: SJSU teammate, presumably Slusser, spiked in the face during a match.

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Speaker 1: Slusher's parents, Paul and Kim Slusser, provided a joint statement

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Speaker 1: to Fox Digital addressing the crackdown. We're thrilled that the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration, Secretary McMahon and the Department of Ed are

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Speaker 1: taking action on the issue of men and women's sports,

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Speaker 1: something the last administration did not do. San Jose State

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Speaker 1: University completely failed it's female athletes, and it's about time

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Speaker 1: they're held accountable, said the family. We're watching closely to

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Speaker 1: see how they respond, and our next step is to

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Speaker 1: fight the injustice in court. San Jose State and mount

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Speaker 1: West conference betrayed the volleyball team and they will have

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Speaker 1: to answer for it. The parents had to watch their

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Speaker 1: daughter endure an eating disorder and an academic setback as

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Speaker 1: a result of the trauma from the scandal. I went

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Speaker 1: from around one hundred and sixty to one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty eight pounds in that one semester. It definitely isn't

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Speaker 1: healthy for someone of my size to be that weight,

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Speaker 1: and I ended up losing my cycle for nine months,

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Speaker 1: so it was definitely severe. The five foot eleven Sluster

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Speaker 1: previously told Fox News. After the twenty twenty four season

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Speaker 1: and fall semester ended, Slusser's parents saw the physical impact

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Speaker 1: the situation took on her and demanded that she come

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Speaker 1: home to Texas as soon as the season was over.

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Speaker 1: She came home for Christmas, and we were like, you're

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Speaker 1: not going back. Slusser told Fox News. That was Paul

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Speaker 1: Slusser telling Fox News, adding that he told his daughter,

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Speaker 1: you can go get your stuff next summer when your

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Speaker 1: lease is up, and stay here. Once winter break was

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Speaker 1: over and what was supposed to be her final semester began,

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Speaker 1: Brooke attempted to complete her courses online. Her parents said

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Speaker 1: she began online courses, but dropped them shortly later as

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Speaker 1: Division I scholarship athlete. Dropping classes resulted in her losing

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Speaker 1: the scholarship and her family had to pay for the

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Speaker 1: full semester's worth of tuition and her housing out of pocket.

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Speaker 1: We had to pay basically her mortgage and her apartment

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the semester, so it was a

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Speaker 1: pretty large financial burden on us. The ED Department Education

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Speaker 1: Department gave SJSU an ultimatum to comply with a series

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Speaker 1: of agreements or risk imminent enforcement action. The deadline for

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Speaker 1: that is coming up February eleventh. The terms include issue

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Speaker 1: a public statement to the SASU community that SGSU will

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Speaker 1: adopt biology based definitions for the words male and female

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Speaker 1: and acknowledge that the sex of a human male or

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Speaker 1: female is unchangeable. Specified that SJSU wi follow Title nine

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Speaker 1: by separating sports and intimate facilities based on sex. State

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Speaker 1: that SGASU will not delegate its obligation to comply with

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Speaker 1: Title nine to any external association or entity, and will

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Speaker 1: not contract with any entity that discriminates on the basis

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Speaker 1: of sex. Also restore to individual female athletes all individual

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Speaker 1: athletic records and titles misappropriated by male athletes competing in

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Speaker 1: women's categories, and issue a personal letter of apology on

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Speaker 1: behalf of SGSU to each female athlete for allowing her

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Speaker 1: participation in athletics to be marred by sex discrimination. That's

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Speaker 1: what the school has to do. And San Jose State,

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Speaker 1: a member of the California State Education University System, receive

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Speaker 1: notification from the Federal Department of Ed regarding its investigation

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Speaker 1: into athletics participation. The Department informed the university of the

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Speaker 1: outcome of its investigation and its findings. Universities in the

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Speaker 1: process of reviewing that, so who knows, they may even

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Speaker 1: try to fight it. This is the kind of the

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Speaker 1: really sick part. You've ruined this girl's life. She had

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Speaker 1: to room with the male, she had to change with

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Speaker 1: the male, she had to play against the male, and

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Speaker 1: then when it became the opportunity to have it happen,

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Speaker 1: the male organized a way to have her spiked in

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Speaker 1: the face. I mean, the trauma here is layers upon

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Speaker 1: layers SJSU. They should be dropping to their knees thanking

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Speaker 1: God that they're not yet being sued. But there is

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Speaker 1: There is absolutely no reason why they should that why

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Speaker 1: they should in any way be backing off of this

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Speaker 1: or saying to the Feds, oh, we got to review it. No,

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Speaker 1: that everything that the Federal Department of Education told them

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Speaker 1: to do, they should do. And good for these parents.

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Speaker 1: Good for these parents who try to do the best

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Speaker 1: and look out for their child. It's a it's a

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Speaker 1: tough culture that we live in now. It's not a

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Speaker 1: popular thing to do. But parents who stand up for

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Speaker 1: the welfare of their kids, you know, that's always the

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Speaker 1: right thing to do, especially when it comes to this.

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Speaker 1: This is so integral to identity and to who they are.

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Speaker 1: So good job to this slusser of parents. And I

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Speaker 1: hope that SJSU decides to make a good decision here

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Speaker 1: San Jose State University. You'd be really stupid to try

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Speaker 1: to go against this. Kevin McCullough coming back, is that

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Speaker 1: Kevin chef.

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Speaker 3: Here? He is from New York, That Kevin Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. It's that Kevin show. And on Thursdays,

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Speaker 1: we always set aside a little bit of time to

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Speaker 1: set down the paper, set the top headlines down for

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Speaker 1: a second and say how can we be better parents?

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Speaker 1: How can we better grandparents? How can we be better

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Speaker 1: influences on the kids that are in our lives and

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Speaker 1: that we have access to. Shelley Goldberg is back with us,

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Speaker 1: former parenting reporter for New York One for many many years,

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Speaker 1: and has been here helping us get better at this

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Speaker 1: for the last several years. And Shelley, we're in a

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Speaker 1: very special time of year.

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Speaker 14: That's right, Kevin. Valentine's Day is around the corner. And

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Speaker 14: I know that maybe for you it's just a big, silly,

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Speaker 14: commercialized Hallmark card time of year, you know, holiday, but

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Speaker 14: for kids, it really holds a lot of significance, especially

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Speaker 14: for teens and tweens.

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Speaker 4: I'm just curious, what does it mean to you, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you have the wrong person if you think I

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Speaker 1: think it's silly, because I don't. I've always been a

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Speaker 1: sap since I was a kid, and still am. I

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Speaker 1: could do a better job of getting the reservation booked

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Speaker 1: earlier for the restaurant, but I try to do something

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Speaker 1: special every year.

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Speaker 4: Awesome. I love that answer. I was hoping that you'd

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Speaker 4: say something like that. Thank you.

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Speaker 14: Okay.

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Speaker 4: It's also, by the way, it's a great.

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Speaker 14: It's one of those times that there's a lot of

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Speaker 14: teachable moments, you know, that's what parenting. A good part

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Speaker 14: of parenting is about, looking for those times where maybe

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Speaker 14: we can have a discussion about something important. Valentine's Day

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Speaker 14: is one of those days. But let's start with the simple.

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Speaker 14: Then we'll move to the complex. Okay, for this, for

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Speaker 14: the simple, for the middle aged child, right, this is

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Speaker 14: a great, fun, interesting time to do some research. So

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Speaker 14: sit around with your kids, Kevin, and research the history

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Speaker 14: of Valentine's Day. You know, Saint Valentine and the Roman

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Speaker 14: emperor Claudia is the second. But just a history lesson

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Speaker 14: will be something you can share with your kids. There's

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Speaker 14: also some fabulous facts, Kevin. Do you know who receives

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Speaker 14: the most amount of Valentine's Day cards?

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Speaker 1: Moms?

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Speaker 4: Teachers?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, yeah that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a little surprised by that, so teachers.

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Speaker 14: Also, Valentine's Day is celebrated around the world, not always

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Speaker 14: on Valentine's Day in the United States, and it's also

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Speaker 14: celebrated in many different ways. So that's something else you

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Speaker 14: can share with your kids. And by the way, yes,

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Speaker 14: candy is the most popular gift, and yes, the flowest

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Speaker 14: is the busiest on that day more than any other

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Speaker 14: day of the year.

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Speaker 4: But what do we want kids to know?

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Speaker 14: The most important message, especially for young kids, we want

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Speaker 14: to convey to them that love comes in all different forms. Yes,

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Speaker 14: there's romantic love, but there's family love, friend love, pet love,

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Speaker 14: self love, and of course God's love. And those are

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Speaker 14: the conversations we can have. That's what what Valentine's Day

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Speaker 14: can bring up for us around the you know, the

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Speaker 14: dinner table, the kinds of conversations we can have and kindness.

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Speaker 14: Underscoring kindness is a great way to show love. The

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Speaker 14: other thing you want to convey to your kids that

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Speaker 14: words and actions have to go together.

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Speaker 4: You can say I love you, I love you, I

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Speaker 4: love you, but if.

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Speaker 14: You love the family dog, that means you're going to

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Speaker 14: take them out for the walk for you.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 14: So sometimes kids don't see the connection, you know, I

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Speaker 14: love you, but showing.

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Speaker 4: Them that it's words and actions and they go together.

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Speaker 14: Now, for teens, this is a great opportunity to have

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Speaker 14: those other kinds of conversations, you know, Susie John, are

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Speaker 14: kids talking about Valentine's Day at school? Is their pressure

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Speaker 14: in your school to pair off? What is pairing off mean?

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Speaker 14: Do you wish you had a girlfriend or a boyfriend

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Speaker 14: or qualities? What should you be looking for? And I

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Speaker 14: think one of the most important discussions you can have

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Speaker 14: with your kids.

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Speaker 4: You want to talk.

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Speaker 14: About social media, the movies, music, Is it promoting real

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Speaker 14: love or something else? So Valentine's Day again can give

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Speaker 14: you a great opportunity to bring up these kinds of topics.

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Speaker 14: All right, then, how do you celebrate Valentine's Day in

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Speaker 14: your home?

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Speaker 4: Simple, easy, breezy ways.

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Speaker 14: Of course, you can take the pancakes and you can

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Speaker 14: make heartshad pancakes.

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Speaker 4: You know you can, right, I have a feeling you've

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Speaker 4: already done that.

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Speaker 14: You want to make homemade cards, not the storeboard kinds,

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Speaker 14: Especially with younger kids, It's so much fun. I remember

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Speaker 14: doing that. It's a glorious time. In your child's lunch box.

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Speaker 14: Put a lunch box note to remind them how much

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Speaker 14: you love them. Read books about kindness, do a family

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Speaker 14: gratitude check in at dinner. Everyone you go around the

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Speaker 14: table and everyone shares what they're grateful for. And you know,

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Speaker 14: with everyone at the table, talk about the things you like,

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Speaker 14: you love about yourself, and I love this one community

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Speaker 14: love discuss with a family what you can local nursing home,

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Speaker 14: or maybe there's an appur animal shelter, so for Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 14: everybody can go and bring some treats for dogs you

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Speaker 14: know that are homeless or in the shelters. So those

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Speaker 14: are the kinds of things that you can easily do. Kevin,

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Speaker 14: your thoughts about the holiday and how you've spent it

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Speaker 14: with your children.

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Speaker 1: In our house, there is a running conversation about and

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Speaker 1: I'll put it this way. It kind of starts like

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Speaker 1: this mom will say to the boys, someday when you

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Speaker 1: have a girlfriend, or when you have a wife, or

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Speaker 1: when you have a family, and then fill in the blank.

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Speaker 1: But it's an observation about how life sometimes measures up

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Speaker 1: differently than just what our feelings or what the culture

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Speaker 1: tells us that they are. And I think that I

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Speaker 1: don't think that they're too young to begin to understand it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's all contextually appropriate, but I think it

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Speaker 1: helps them because they seem to have a better balance

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Speaker 1: and understanding of kind of what the full definition of

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Speaker 1: love looks like. And I think that if we can

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Speaker 1: get people to that place, I think we can have

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Speaker 1: a better world.

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Speaker 4: Oh I love that, Kevin.

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Speaker 14: So it sounds to me like what you're underscoring in

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Speaker 14: your family is, yes, all around us is the romantic

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Speaker 14: love and the idealized love and things that sometimes are

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Speaker 14: not realistic because when you really are in a loving relationship, whether.

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Speaker 4: It's romantically with the friend, with you, with your family.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you have to say things sometimes that are not

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Speaker 14: always pleasant or well received. But it's because you love

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Speaker 14: that and that's part and that's part of the love equation.

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Speaker 1: And it's for their it's for their ultimate good, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what I define love as the

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Speaker 1: action I'm about to take. Is it for the person

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Speaker 1: that I'm about to take it for? Is it for

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Speaker 1: their ultimate good? And if it is, then it's loving you.

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Speaker 1: And if it's not, then you know, I need to

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Speaker 1: reevaluate my motives on it or what have you. But

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Speaker 1: really good stuff. And I think the other part is

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Speaker 1: just keep having the conversation, just to have a role

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Speaker 1: in conversation. As often as it comes up, talk about it,

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Speaker 1: and whenever you see an opportunity to kind of put

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Speaker 1: a little, you know, period on a sentence about it,

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Speaker 1: do it. I think it makes a difference. Shelley Goldberg.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Kevin. Happy to Valentine's Day and.

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Speaker 1: You as well. It's Kevin mccallough coming back from New York.

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Speaker 9: Let's stick around for more of that Kevin next, serving

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Speaker 9: it up with a no drink mental.

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Speaker 3: It's that Kevin Show.

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back Kevin McCullough. Final a few minutes

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Speaker 1: for the Thursday version and glad to have you with us.

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Speaker 1: That kevinshow dot com if you want to re listen

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Speaker 1: to any part of the show. Podcast is always available

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Speaker 1: for free at Salem Podcastnetwork dot com. And we would

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Speaker 1: love for you to join us on social media Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, x,

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Speaker 1: We're just about everywhere, So check that out that kevinshow

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Speaker 1: dot com for all of the social media links. It's

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Speaker 1: a bit interesting because yesterday I reported to you the

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Speaker 1: really I will echo this again, the unusually good news

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Speaker 1: that one of the medical major medical groups in the

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Speaker 1: US has finally said, not so fast on the trans

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Speaker 1: surgeries for kids. It's not advised, it's bad, it's not

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Speaker 1: good for them.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: JK. Rowling, who wrote the Harry Potter series, has been

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Speaker 1: really really stalwart on this issue from the very beginning,

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Speaker 1: and she's taken a lot of flak from the groups

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Speaker 1: that want to do these surgeries on children, and they've

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Speaker 1: called her every name of the book. They've tried to

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Speaker 1: cancel her, and she's not given in an inch. But

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Speaker 1: the famed author has also said this in the following

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Speaker 1: just recent days, as the floodgates open and more and

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Speaker 1: more de transitioners sue the clinicians who subjected them to

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Speaker 1: an unregulated medical experiment, gender identity activists will almost certainly

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Speaker 1: continue to ignore any evidence that fails to support their

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Speaker 1: preferred narrative. They'll keep insisting that hardly any transitioned people

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Speaker 1: regret their irreversible procedures, that gender clinicians know exactly what

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Speaker 1: they're doing, that surgeries cross sex hormones puberty blockers are

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Speaker 1: of proven benefit, and that miners who are denied these

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Speaker 1: treatments will go to kill themselves. All of this is

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Speaker 1: a lie, says Rolling. This will go down in history

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Speaker 1: as one of the worst medical scandals of all time.

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Speaker 1: Adults inside and outside the medical profession sold troubled young

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Speaker 1: people like Varian the idea that all of the complex

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Speaker 1: trauma would be resolved by removing healthy body parts. As

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Speaker 1: more and more detransitioners arrive in court, the public will

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Speaker 1: learn the full extent of the harm done to kids

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Speaker 1: in the name of ideology. Clinicians performing these treatments will

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Speaker 1: go down in history as barber barbarous activists who betrayed

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Speaker 1: a sacred oath to do no harm. But we should

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Speaker 1: never forget how many people outside the medical profession urged

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Speaker 1: these young people on gleefully assuring them that anyone advising

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Speaker 1: caution was an evil bigot. Never forget, because only by

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Speaker 1: learning the lesson can we stop this from happening again.

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Speaker 1: That's the famed author of the Harry Potter series, JK. Rowling,

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Speaker 1: and she has been wildly consistent on this. In part,

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Speaker 1: I think she was one of the big reasons why

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Speaker 1: the public health clinics in the UK stopped. They abandoned

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Speaker 1: all of this nonsense about a decade ago. They saw

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Speaker 1: that it was having ill effect on the kids that

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Speaker 1: it was being done to, and they also realized it

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Speaker 1: was very expensive and in the socialized world, they don't

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Speaker 1: like expen surgeries, so there were multiple reasons why they

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Speaker 1: decided to just halt everything mid practice, but Jk's voice

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Speaker 1: was one of the and she consistently said, you know,

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Speaker 1: women have a right to be safe in women's spaces.

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Speaker 1: For that, for just saying that, she they tried to

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Speaker 1: cancel her. But now she's really calling a spade a spade,

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Speaker 1: and she's right. When the clinics get the legal bills

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Speaker 1: on what they are going to be found guilty for,

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Speaker 1: it is not It is going to be very ugly.

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Speaker 1: And I think I'm not I'm not saying just saying this,

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Speaker 1: I really believe it. I believe that a bunch of

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Speaker 1: these medical practitioner practitioners should have their should have their

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Speaker 1: licenses suspended, because if you've promised to not do harm

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Speaker 1: and you're you're cutting off healthy body parts, not cancerous,

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Speaker 1: not infected, not diseased, not anything else, totally healthy body

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Speaker 1: parts and you're cutting them off, you're part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: And now that we know that sex can never be changed,

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Speaker 1: will never be changed, this is even more irresponsible on

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Speaker 1: the people that are doing it, and to continue to

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Speaker 1: defend it, like some of them are still out there

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Speaker 1: defending it. That's nearly impossible to believe anyway. Kevin McCullough

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Speaker 1: Thank you for thinking through these issues with me today

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Speaker 1: and join us tomorrow, same time, right here for that

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Speaker 1: Kevin Show.