1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Natural Health with naturopathic doctor Lauren Deville. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Christian Natural Health is the podcast on how to get 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: and stay healthy God's Way. You'll hear topics on nutrition, exercise, sleep, 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: avoiding toxicity, meditating on scripture, what supplements to take, stress management, 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: defeating anxiety and worry, how to reconcile Eastern medicine approaches 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: with Christianity, and a whole lot more. Now here's your host, 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: doctor Lauren. 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today. 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm very, very pleased to have doctor Kurt Bravada with us. 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Although doctor Kirk Bravada did not initially set out to 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: become an addictionologist, he soon felt called by God to 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: share his grace by helping lead people out of lives 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: deeply rooted in hurt, dysfunction, and addiction. As a family physician, 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: doctor Bravada simply responded to the need for effective, evidence 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: based treatment of substance use disorders in his rural patient population. 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: This growing passion led doctor Bravada to eventually obtain Addiction 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: Medicine Board certification through the Pathway Practice Pathway provided by 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: the American Board of Preventative medicine. Along the way, Doctor 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: Bravada has been involved in local and national family and 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: addiction medicine leadership, education and publication. Welcome doctor Bravada, thanks 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: so much for joining us. 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: It's good to be here with you. Thanks for having 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: me absolutely. 24 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: So. 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 5: First, I'm really curious to know kind of your background. 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: So your longer bio told a little bit about your 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: backstory and what led you into just having a heart 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: for people who are hurting in general, So tell us 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: a little bit about that, and then how you got 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: into specializing in addictions. 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had kind of a unique upbringing. My 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: parents are originally from Long Island, New York, which is 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: where I was born. Lived there till I was about 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: five years old, and my dad owned a restaurant. My 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: mom was a nurse and she still is still practicing, 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: and so, and I was about five years of age, 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 4: my parents felt called of the Lord to go into 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 4: full time ministry, helping people that were suffering from you know, 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 4: financial issues, and even people suffering from addictions and homelessness 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: and and all of those things. And and so they 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 4: started a small ministry. At the time, it's no longer 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 4: in existence, but it was called Green Metal Mission, and 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 4: they were just helping the needy. 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: In their community. 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: And and so they bought a small farm in upstate 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 4: New York. And so I moved from the suburbs to 47 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 4: this beautiful, you know valley surrounded by the green mountains 48 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: of Vermont and Upstate New York. And it was just 49 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 4: a very holistic way to grow up. And and so 50 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: it was, uh, and then we had we were just 51 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: you know, constantly involved in the ministry helping people. 52 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: They had a small school and. 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: A church, so I actually was Yeah, so I actually 54 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 4: went from you know, kindergarten all the way through twelfth 55 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: grade at this one room schoolhouse with my siblings and 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 4: my cousins and all of our best friends. And at 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: the same time was like learning how to you know, 58 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 4: live off the land. You know, even though we weren't 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 4: dependent on her farm, you know, my parents, you know, 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: still were my mom was still working and my dad 61 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: was running the ministry. It was just, you know, I 62 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: just always felt like I was just in touch with 63 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 4: nature and kind of just the beautiful world that God's created. 64 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: And then also, you know, grew up in this spiritual 65 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 4: environment where I was just you know, raised to love 66 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 4: the Lord and to help people in need. So it's 67 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: just an incredible way to grow up. And now here 68 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: I am, you know, many years later in Balivar, Missouri, 69 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: practicing family medicine and addiction medicine and just involved in 70 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 4: a lot of things helping people. But it all started 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 4: on that small farm in upstate New York. 72 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 5: That's so beautiful. I just finished reading Maria von. 73 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: Trapp's actual biography, and so there's you know, she you 74 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: may or may not know that you eventually ended up in. 75 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: Stowe, Vermont. 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what she described, Yeah, you probably do based 77 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: on having been in Vermont. But what she described sounds 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: so much like what you just described. 79 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and we and we lived very close to 80 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: where Grandma Moses. 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, the artist, Grandma. 82 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 4: Moses where in fact, we used to get produced from 83 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: her family farm. And Norman Rockwell he lived not far 84 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: from where we were, so we used to visit the 85 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: Norman Rockwell Museum. 86 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: You know. 87 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: Of course they make all the wonderful maple syrup there, 88 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 4: maple candy, and and so so it was just kind 89 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 4: of this really awesome place to grow up and and 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: I loved it. And and now I'm living in this 91 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 4: you know, somewhat rural community and uh in Missouri, which 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 4: actually does not is not that dissimilar from where I 93 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 4: grew up and loving raising my family here, but I 94 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: often do travel back to see my family. 95 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: So it's it's it's, you know, best of both worlds. 96 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so idyllic, how wonderful? 97 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 98 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 5: Okay? 99 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: And then how did God lead you specifically into addiction medicine? 100 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 5: Why that right? 101 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: So I'm still in family practice. I actually am in 102 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: full time family practice. 103 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 4: But so around twenty fourteen, I just was becoming aware 104 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 4: of how many patients were in need of a Dictionary 105 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 4: recovery care within my practice. And so I had approached 106 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 4: my hospital here in Boliver, Missouri, and I said, you know, 107 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: where do we you know, typically refer these patients. 108 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: Do we have an addiction program? 109 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 4: You know, I had started here in twenty thirteen, So 110 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 4: within a year, I was just having all these patients 111 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 4: that were literally, you know, exhibiting drug seeking behavior. And 112 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: then there were others with you know, clear issues with 113 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: methamphetamines and opioids and alcohol. And so I discovered that 114 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 4: the closest Addictionary recovery program was about an hour away 115 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 4: from us, and so I said, well, you know, you know, 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: is there anyone you know, maybe our psychiatry department would 117 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 4: be interested in starting an a diction recovery program. 118 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: And they said, it seems like God's put it on 119 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: your heart. So so so they asked me. But but 120 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: God had a plan. 121 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: And you know, it kind of ties back into where 122 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 4: I went to college. So I went to college in Tulsa, Oklahoma, 123 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 4: at Oral Roberts University. And so there was a pharmaceutical 124 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: rep for a company that makes a drug called vivitrol. 125 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: The company is called. 126 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: Alchymy's and they well, so this rep had been driving, 127 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 4: you know, past this kind of corridor where my clinic 128 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 4: was in this rural community and he had never stopped 129 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 4: at my clinic before he was it was kind of 130 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 4: just on. 131 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: The way to the bigger cities that he was going to. 132 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 4: And turned out he was a graduate from Oral Roberts University, 133 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: used to play basketball for them, and he just said, 134 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 4: just felt to stop by my clinic and see what 135 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 4: we were doing. And he came and introduced me to 136 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 4: using this medication for ad dictionary recovery. And you know, 137 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 4: the cool thing about this medication is it's it's not 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: controlled substance, you know, so it has really no psychotropic effects. 139 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: It is a opioid receptor blocker that also works for 140 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 4: alcohol addiction. And the way it does that is that 141 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 4: it when it blocks those receptors, the natural endorphins which 142 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 4: we call beta opioids or beta endorphins that bind to 143 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: those receptors, it actually blocks them so that you don't 144 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: have that kind of reward feeling, that euphoria that you 145 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: typically would get from using alcohol. And it does the 146 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: same thing for opioids, but by a more direct way. 147 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: And so, you know, that kind of relieved me of 148 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: my fear of getting involved in addiction medicine because I 149 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: was like, this sounds like really something I can do. 150 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 4: You know, my patients just have to already have gone 151 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 4: through withdrawal and then I put them on this medication 152 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: and it blocks those cravings. And you know, of course 153 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: we still wanted to have them involved in counseling and 154 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: peer support and group therapy and all that, but it 155 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 4: was like, Wow, here's something medically that I can do 156 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: that makes a big difference. And then it was years 157 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 4: down the road when I started realizing, gosh, I can't 158 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: help all my patients because some of them can't get 159 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: off the opioids. And so that was when I learned 160 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: how to prescribe bupen orphan. A lot of people know 161 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: it as sabox own, which is one of the trade names, 162 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: and I use that and I use a number of 163 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: other medications to help patients in addiction recovery. And so 164 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 4: now we have a full fledged addiction medicine program at 165 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: our hospital in Boliver, Missouri. It's just moreal healthcare. I 166 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: have two nurse practitioners, I have a counselor pure recovery specialist, 167 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: and we work with our behavior health department with psychiatry 168 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 4: and psychology to get these patients the care that they need. 169 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 5: That's awesome, very cool. 170 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 171 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: So what about your background in addiction recovery has led 172 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: you to write your book, Live for Your Die? 173 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 174 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 4: So it's actually a combination of things. So initially I 175 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: thought I would write a book that was primarily about 176 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 4: addiction recovery, and as I was starting to kind of 177 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: just think through it and realizing that I was wanting 178 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 4: to use some of the things I've written in the past, 179 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: like I have you know, essays and poems and articles 180 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: and blogs and all these things that I was like, 181 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: you know, I have a lot of information in here 182 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: that I'd like to share with people. And and then 183 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: you know, I was thinking, you know, how can I 184 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 4: make this book you know, palatable and also applicable to anybody, 185 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: you know, not just Christians, you know, people from all 186 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 4: walks of life. And and so at the time, I 187 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: was like, well, you know, should I put scripture in there? 188 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: You know, some people have a hard time in scripture. 189 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: And I just felt like, I was like, you need 190 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: to put everything in there that I've given you over 191 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 4: these forty you know plus years of life, and you know, 192 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 4: and and then I'll do with it what I will. 193 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: It will get to the right people. 194 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 4: And and so so I just so I sat down 195 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: one day, this is now about two and a half 196 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 4: years ago, and in like three hours, I wrote the 197 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: entire outline and I just felt like God just dropped it, 198 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 4: you know, and it was like a download. And then 199 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: you know, it took a couple of years to get 200 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 4: the book finished and in public, and so it's got 201 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: all kinds of things in their you know, health and wellness, 202 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: about identity, about spirituality, about you know, avoiding you know, 203 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: hidden hazards in our foods and our products, and about diet, exercise, addiction, recovery, 204 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 4: and so it's just it's just all in there. I 205 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 4: actually have a copy of it right here. So Live 206 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 4: Free or Diet a Holistic Guide to fining faith, freedom, 207 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: and abundant life. 208 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, excellent, very cool. 209 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: So and I'm kind of planning for this episode to 210 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: go live like end of January, early February, not exactly sure. 211 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: So this is going to be when people are listening 212 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: to this, It's going to be kind of right about 213 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: it that time when they're New Year's resolutions. 214 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 5: Maybe you're starting. 215 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: To fall off a little bit, yes, yes. 216 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: So what can we say from like some tips from 217 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: your book of why does this happen in the first place? 218 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: When people have the best of intentions, whether it be 219 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: for diet and exercise or prioritizing family or you know, 220 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: new business plans or writing a book or you know, 221 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: any of those the bad habits that trying to break, 222 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: why do we struggle with this first of all? And 223 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: why maybe, like you obviously took a very holistic perspective 224 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: in the way that. 225 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 5: You book, kind of give us a little bit of. 226 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: The background of why a lot of times our best 227 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: intentions tend to not work out. Yeah. 228 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: So you know, this book really could be called you know, 229 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 4: stop Binging, Start Purging. Yeah, and you know, so so 230 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 4: I really felt like, you know, it really comes down 231 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: to making lifestyle choices that are sustainable, setting goals that 232 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 4: are that are achievable, right. But also you know, part 233 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 4: of goal setting, you know, one. 234 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: Of the hang ups or habits. 235 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 4: That we have is that we set a goal, but 236 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: we don't really start strong and you know, or or 237 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 4: maybe we start strong, but we don't have a good 238 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 4: game plan on how to sustain it. And so mate, yes, 239 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 4: and so it's kind of like, you know, we get 240 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 4: into these fad diets and things like that. So I 241 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 4: really felt like it was really important to give people 242 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 4: the tools for small changes that they can make. 243 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 3: You know, you know, here's you know. 244 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 4: Here's how to you know, start hydrating better, how to 245 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 4: start eating better. You know, you can start recognizing how 246 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 4: to listen to your body and recognizing which things are making. 247 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: You feel badly. 248 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 4: You know, you know, when I eat this type of food, 249 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 4: I actually feel fatigued, I have low energy, I have 250 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: brain fog. You know, maybe actually have food allergies. So 251 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 4: identifying what your food allergies are eliminating those things from 252 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: your your diet. And one of the things that really 253 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 4: changed my life in twenty fourteen was when I did 254 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: the Whole thirty diet, and that is an elimination diet 255 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: that it got, you know, all of the gluten based 256 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 4: products out of my diet and the dairy products out 257 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 4: of my diet, and all of a sudden, I was like, Okay, 258 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 4: I thought I had some intolerance to dairy, but wow, 259 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 4: I really am lactose intolerant because when I reintroduced it, well, 260 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 4: I mean I felt so much better. And then when 261 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 4: I reintroduced dairy, I was. 262 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: Like, wow, I really have a problem with dary. 263 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 4: And then what I didn't know I had hadn't even 264 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: a clue, was that I had an intolerance to gluten. 265 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 4: And you know, now, in hindsight, I'm not sure that 266 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 4: it's gluten. It could be something else, you know, it 267 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 4: could be the chemicals that they're washing the weed in. 268 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: I recently went to the Dominican Republic and I had 269 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 4: their wheat there and I did not have it. 270 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fine, And and I've even had. 271 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 4: You know, I've used flour, especially flower from Italy, and 272 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 4: I really don't have a problem with that. 273 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: So, so there are a lot of. 274 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 4: Things that are in our diets that are hurting us 275 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 4: that that we don't realize it. So if you do 276 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 4: an elimination diet similar to like the Whole thirty diet, 277 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: it really helps you recognize what's making you sick. And 278 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: once you kind of get that, light bulb goes off 279 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 4: and you're like, wow, these things are making me sick, 280 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 4: Like it's not just about my weight. I think that's 281 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 4: a big part of the problem is we're all focused 282 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: on our weight, and really we should be focused on 283 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: feeling better, living better, And that's part of the whole Yes, 284 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 4: that's what the litle live free thing is like living. 285 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 3: An abundant life, not not just focused on the outer appearance. 286 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so you're giving us some some some physical 287 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: tricks of let's make sure that our food is healthy. 288 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: How does this spirit integrate into this as well? Like 289 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: how I mean, how often does it seem like there's 290 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: spiritual issues at play with breaking addictions or bad habits 291 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: or things like that, h. 292 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 4: One hundred percent all the time? You know, So so 293 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: it's so really the way the way I see it, 294 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 4: and from my Christian faith and just from my life experience. 295 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: You know, we are spiritual beings. 296 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: We have souls, and we live in a body, right 297 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: and so and so the body is kind of like 298 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 4: the third thing. It's it's like the vessel in which 299 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: we live and move and have our being and interact 300 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: with the world. I refer to it in the book 301 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: as it's kind of like an avatar, you know, it 302 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: enables us to have it's like this interface to the world. 303 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: But really we are. 304 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: Spirit beings and we have to identify or or come 305 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: to an understanding of that and also get to know 306 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 4: ourselves and are at you know, the spirit inside. And 307 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: a lot of that comes from it comes from meditation, 308 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 4: it can come from journaling, It can come from just 309 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: you know, being quiet and getting away from the social media, 310 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 4: getting away from the news and the radio and the 311 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 4: TV and all these things that. 312 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: Are huge distractions to us. 313 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 4: And when we start to really kind of get to 314 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: know ourselves and then you know, have a genuine heart 315 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 4: of like seeking God and saying, you know, if you're 316 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 4: out there, you know, I don't have a personal relationship 317 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 4: with you or I used to, and I'm not, you know, 318 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: I'm not really feeling connected right now. And we take 319 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 4: that quiet time and we start really investing spiritually, you know, 320 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, we start realizing, you know, wow, 321 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 4: I am more than just this physical body. And as 322 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 4: we start to edify ourselves spiritually, we start to gain 323 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 4: the inner strength that gives us the ability to actually 324 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 4: sustain these lifestyle changes. And it really comes from that innercore, 325 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 4: from that connection with God. 326 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: You know, Jesus said, as you know, I am the vine. 327 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: You are the branches, and you know without me you 328 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: can do nothing, and you know in me you will 329 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 4: bear good fruit. And so as we kind of connect 330 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 4: to that you know, spiritual core, and we connect to God, 331 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 4: who's the creator of the universe and our creator, we're 332 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: able to have the strength that we need to actually 333 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: make meaningful and lasting change. 334 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I mean to what extent would you say 335 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: that most bad habits or addictions are us trying to 336 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: fill a void that we're you know, we're other that 337 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: should otherwise be filled with God or with with. 338 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 5: Feeling like we're a whole already. We're trying to fill that. 339 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: So it's it's a major factor. 340 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 4: And you know, in addiction, we call it dopamine deficit, 341 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: and that is where you're functioning on this kind of 342 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: like deficit level, where there's this constant void, this constant need, 343 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 4: and it really comes from this kind of innate way 344 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: in which God created us, which is that we're supposed 345 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 4: to have this natural reinforcing effect when we're doing things 346 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 4: that are good and wholesome that make us, you know, 347 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 4: feel better. And what happens is is that people who've 348 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 4: gone through trauma, and everyone's experienced some level of trauma, 349 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 4: you know, who've had physical or mental trauma, have gone 350 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 4: through abuse, maybe been introduced to addictions at a young age, 351 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 4: they're they're functioning at this like lower level of dopamine release, 352 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: serotonin release. You know, people call it a chemical imbalance, 353 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: but it's more than that. It's really a spiritual imbalance, 354 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 4: an emotional imbalance, maybe even a physical a physical imbalance. 355 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 4: And so where things got out of control, they got 356 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 4: out of alignment, and so people are constantly trying to fill. 357 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: Those voids and to make themselves feel better. 358 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 4: And so, you know, one of the kind of misconceptions 359 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: about addiction is that people are just trying to get high, 360 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,239 Speaker 4: and you know, in the sense of like it's some 361 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 4: sort of recreational thing, and it might start that way 362 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: for some people, and you know, maybe for a while, 363 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: you know, they're feeling pretty good, but mostly they're just 364 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 4: trying to feel normal. And an addiction isn't just drugs. 365 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: You know, addiction can be you know, eating, over eating, 366 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 4: binge eating. You know, it can be eating the wrong foods. 367 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 4: It can be gambling behavior, pornography. There's just so many 368 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 4: things that the average person could be struggling with that 369 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 4: they might not recognize as an addiction. 370 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: And all the various different things that give us those 371 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 2: dopamine hits. But it will wear off, it never appens 372 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: class and that's where the drug seeking behavior comes from. 373 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 5: Right. 374 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not sustainable that right exactly. 375 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: So will you make a comment in the book the 376 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 2: Lord does not create shortcuts? Can you expand upon that 377 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: concept a little bit? 378 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 4: So this was kind of a mistake that I made 379 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 4: early when I went to college, and you know, having 380 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 4: been in this you know, kind of homeschooled environment, you know, 381 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 4: I mean it was a small school, but my parents 382 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: were the principles and. 383 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 3: You know, it was like it was like I was 384 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: used to, I was used to. 385 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: Having my parents there when I needed them. And I 386 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 4: kind of had this idea of kind of God kind of. 387 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: Being this like Genie in the bottle that you know, 388 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: you know, when I. 389 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 4: Went to college, like I was just gonna need to 390 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: pray and he was going to help me pass all 391 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 4: my exams and what I you know, and so and 392 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 4: so what I discovered was that actually God will take 393 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 4: you through the valley you know that you know, David 394 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 4: talked about, you know, the valley of the shadow of Death, 395 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 4: you know, and that when he was going through it, 396 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 4: he would fear no evil. 397 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 3: Well, there's kind of this thing of like the. 398 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 4: Refiner's fire, you know, where you're going to come out, 399 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 4: you know, as a perfect diamond or you know, purer 400 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 4: than fine gold, you know. 401 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 3: And and that's a. 402 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: Process, and that involves going through things, and it involves 403 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 4: challenging yourself. And really, I'll just admit what I'm struggling 404 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,239 Speaker 4: with because I've kind of you know, I've learned how 405 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 4: to heal myself, you know, in many ways from you know, 406 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 4: the we can talk about this more, but like the 407 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 4: lactose intolerance, the fibromyalgia, the you know, irritable Belle syndrome 408 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 4: and all that stuff. But I for a long time, 409 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 4: those things were kind of hold me back, and so 410 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 4: I wouldn't exercise as much as I should, and I, 411 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 4: you know, I kind of felt like I had this 412 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: this kind of deficit myself where physically, if I if 413 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: I went ahead and I overtaxed myself, I would pay 414 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: for it. 415 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: And so I kind of got out of this habit. 416 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: Of like really really pushing myself physically. You know, I 417 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: pushed myself mentally, and that's how, you know, to become 418 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 4: a doctor, but to really get up early in the 419 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 4: morning every morning, you know, and run, you know, or 420 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 4: exercise even when it's cold, you know, and you know, 421 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 4: and those things. 422 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: That's what I'm working on now. 423 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 4: And but but God doesn't create any shortcuts, and you know, 424 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 4: I'm not going to be at my optimum health unless 425 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 4: I'm willing to push myself and go through the hard 426 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 4: work of. 427 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: Becoming what I want to be. 428 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 4: And I want to just relate this back to you know, 429 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 4: spiritually and mentally. Kind of the mindset behind it is 430 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 4: you really have to envision yourself as what you want 431 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 4: to be and then you have to put in the 432 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 4: hard work to get there. 433 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 434 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So it's that concept between and this is that 435 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: to a difficult balance in every situation, I think for 436 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: everyone and finding what is my part, what is God's part? 437 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: And there's the faith that God will do the part 438 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: that only he can do, but that we have to 439 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: be willing to put in the hard effort for our part. 440 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 5: But it'll help us do it. 441 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: Too, So give us the strength, absolutely. 442 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 5: Strength, So it's not all like suck it up, have willpower. 443 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 4: Right, and He'll put things in our path to help 444 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: us along the way. But it's like another term I 445 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 4: think I used in the book was that, you know, 446 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 4: it's like we have to kind of have some wind 447 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 4: in in your sales in order for God to steer you, 448 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 4: you know, to in order for God to kind of 449 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 4: turn that rudder in your life. So if you don't 450 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 4: take those first steps, if you don't get moving, if 451 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 4: you don't have a little bit of momentum, it's really 452 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: hard for God to be able to redirect you and 453 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 4: put things in your path because. 454 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: You're not even moving, you're just stagnant. 455 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: So you really have to become you know, you really 456 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 4: have to get out of your comfort zone and then 457 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 4: God will You'll start noticing these synchronicities, like when you 458 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: say to God, this is what I want to do, 459 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 4: this is what I want accomplish, or you really even better, 460 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 4: you pray and you say, God, what are the things 461 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: you want me to do in my life? 462 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: And can you help me get there? And so and 463 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 3: that you know, being. 464 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 4: Physically well, mentally well, spiritually, well, those are just what 465 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 4: we need to be equipped to actually follow through with 466 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: our calling. And if God's given us a calling, why 467 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 4: wouldn't he equip us to accomplish those things. But He's 468 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 4: going to want us to go through it so that 469 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 4: we can then have a testimony and tell people this 470 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 4: is how I did it. Now I can show you 471 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: how to do it. And that's really what this book 472 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: is about. It's about a testimony. 473 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he who began a good work in you is 474 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: faithful to complete it absolutely? 475 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: Amen? 476 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: Yeah sure so. 477 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: And I really want to emphasize what you said a 478 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 2: second ago about mindset. So I see that as having 479 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: essentially faith that you will get where you've set out 480 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: to go, because if you're constantly envisioning failure, it's almost 481 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: like you're you're going to sabotage yourself. You're going to 482 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 2: sabotage your own efforts. But if you see yourself and 483 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: you keep your perspective focused, then you're going to align 484 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: your activities to get there. Can you expand a little 485 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: bit on that too. 486 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's so important to accumulate winds and kind 487 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 4: of get those notches in your belt. And you can 488 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 4: only do that by dedication, determination, and some hard work. 489 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 4: And as you start to accumulate those things, you start 490 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 4: to now have this new identity, this new sense of 491 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 4: I'm an overcomer, you know, more than a conqueror, you know, 492 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 4: as the Bible says, through Christ Jesus. But we can 493 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 4: start by actually finding those scriptures, you know, memorizing them, 494 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 4: meditating on them, you know who we are in Christ, 495 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 4: and start professing them out loud. I really think it's 496 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: so important to say out loud you know what God 497 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 4: says about you, because you know, so often we'll just 498 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 4: kind of read things and they'll kind of go, you know, 499 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 4: through our eyegate and and then just like vaporize, you know, 500 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: but we need to actually hear them. And the more 501 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 4: senses we involve in reinforcing those things, the more likely 502 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: it is to go deep inside our spirits and stick. 503 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: And so you know, we can say, you know, I'm 504 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 4: an overcomer, more more than a conqueror through Christ, Jesus 505 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 4: who loved this, and call this according to his purposes. 506 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 4: You know, you know I put on the full armor 507 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 4: of God. You know, the gates of hell shall not 508 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: prevail against the Church. You know, He is the vine, 509 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 4: I am the branches. I'm going to bear good fruit. 510 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: You know, all these things. And you start to kind 511 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 4: of say these things out loud, and you start hearing them, 512 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 4: and as you hear them, it just becomes part of you. 513 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 4: And then you develop the strength to actually say, okay, well, 514 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 4: you know, you know, I'm starting to see myself as 515 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: this person, as this whole person. 516 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: And remember, you know, through through Jesus and. 517 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: The shed blood of you know, Christ, you know, we 518 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 4: are new creatures and so and the Bible talks about 519 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: renewing our minds, and you know that we have the 520 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 4: mind of Christ. And so we start saying those things 521 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 4: and then we start to walk them out. 522 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: And as we walk them out and we start seeing. 523 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 4: It manifest in our lives, it becomes easier to do 524 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 4: because now it's real to you and you you now 525 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 4: have the victories behind you and use and the testimony 526 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 4: and and you start to truly believe it and it 527 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: changes your life. 528 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: And that's what it did for me. 529 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, awesome. 530 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: So for somebody who feels like, you know, they tried 531 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: and they fell off the wagon already, it sounds like 532 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 2: you're maybe suggesting the first place to start is with 533 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: the mindset and the memorization of. 534 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 5: Scripture or what would be the first practical steps of advice? 535 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you so so so it's almost you know, 536 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 4: I would say, that's so important for a foundation, but 537 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: don't let that stop you from also doing the physical things, 538 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 4: the natural things. And so what I would say is 539 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 4: is don't wait. You know, people, you know they're there. 540 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 4: They set these like, you know, quit dates. You know, 541 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 4: I'm going to quit smoking, and all of a sudden, 542 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: I think, I think that can be good. But if 543 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: there's some steps that you can take right now, do 544 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 4: it now. Like if you're planning on your quit date, 545 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 4: you know, for smoking, gambling, pornography, you know, whatever it is, 546 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 4: or binge eating, and you're planning on that to be 547 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: you know, January. First, well, start cutting back on those 548 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 4: behaviors now, Start making some steps now so that when 549 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 4: that day comes it's easier for you. You know, start 550 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 4: you know, you may maybe you have a hard time 551 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 4: reading the Old Testament, but you know you can read Psalms, 552 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 4: you know, you know, find your favorite uh you know, 553 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 4: verse or book of the Bible and start reading it. 554 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 4: You know, people get caught up and you know, oh gosh, 555 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: I start in Genesis and and I can't make it 556 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 4: through numbers, you know, and it's like it's like, you know, 557 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 4: now I am reading through the Bible, you know, start 558 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 4: to finish. I didn't used to read it that way. 559 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 4: I just kind of read the things that really inspired 560 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 4: me and ministered to me, and and and and those 561 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 4: things went deep inside me. And now I have all 562 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: these scriptures that are just. 563 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 3: Part of me. 564 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 4: Listen to worship music, and you know, uh, find time 565 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 4: to to do the things that are necessary for. 566 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: Uh, for your her piece and to to to. 567 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 4: Start becoming who you want to be physically and mentally. 568 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 4: And it just it just starts with what, uh, you know, 569 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 4: a baby step right? 570 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, What have I not asked you that you want 571 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: to make sure you leave with our audience. 572 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: So I do feel like we've covered a lot of ground. 573 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: You know. 574 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 4: Again, I want to thank you for the just the 575 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 4: time to talk to your audience, and I just want 576 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 4: to encourage them, you know, take those first steps. Don't 577 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 4: be discouraged. God has a plan for you, and he 578 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 4: has a plan for everyone. It doesn't matter how you 579 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 4: started off. It doesn't matter what trauma. I mean, it 580 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 4: matters to God what trauma you've experienced, but it's not 581 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 4: going to stop you from becoming who he's called you 582 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 4: to be. In fact, he's going to use it as 583 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 4: a platform. And this is going to be your source 584 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 4: of strength. And you know, anyone who's accomplished anything has 585 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 4: had many many failures. 586 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: I've had many failures. You know. 587 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 4: I wasn't always a doctor, right, you know, and it 588 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 4: took me a while to get here, and I did 589 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: have challenges along the way, and there were times that 590 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 4: people told me, you know, well maybe you should be 591 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 4: doing something else. And I had to like look deep 592 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 4: inside and I had to see who I was and. 593 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 3: What my identity was inside. 594 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 4: And this is why it's so important to know your 595 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 4: identity because when people try to discourage you, when the 596 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 4: devil comes and you know he's firing those fiery darts 597 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 4: at you, and he's lying to you because he is 598 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: the liar and deceiver. Don't you need to have the 599 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: inner strength and the spiritual resolve to say no, that's 600 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 4: not who I am and to start proclaiming who you are. 601 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: And I want to tell you that my book is 602 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 4: full of scripture and things that you can memorize that 603 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 4: you can reinforce, and it's got all the tools in 604 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 4: there for diet, for exercise, to overcome addictions, to overcome 605 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 4: bad habits and hang ups, and to really just become 606 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: a well rounded person in body, mind and spirit holistically 607 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 4: the way God or dained you. 608 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 5: To be fantastic. 609 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: So where can people go to learn more about you 610 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: and maybe to pick up a copy. 611 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: Of your book? 612 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can go to Live Free or diet 613 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 4: book dot com. 614 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: My book is available through Westbow Press. 615 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 4: It's available on Amazon. I'm currently working on an audiobook 616 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 4: so soon it will be available on Audible and then 617 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 4: you can also you know, find it online through Barnes 618 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 4: and noblest christianbook dot com. And then I'm also available 619 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 4: on social media, so I'm on Instagram and Facebook, I'm 620 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: on X I'm on Rumble and YouTube and Truth Social 621 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 4: and Parlor all under live free or diet, so you 622 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 4: can find me there and I look forward to potentially 623 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 4: hearing from you, and I hope that I'm able to 624 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: be of positive impact in your life. 625 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: Awesome, well, I will link to all of that in 626 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: the show notes. And thank you so much, Doctor Robata. 627 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: This has been very encouraging. 628 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 3: Thank you so how much. 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