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Speaker 1: Life audio.

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Speaker 2: As I was laughing this very dark moment where I'm

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Speaker 2: laughing at what they're saying and I'm laughing at them,

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Speaker 2: a thought occurred to me, almost like a lightning bolt,

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Speaker 2: and this thought came to me, and it was, you

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Speaker 2: are on your way to hell, and what they're saying

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Speaker 2: is holly and true, and you need to listen to them.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Greg Glory here, welcome to my podcast. I have

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Speaker 3: a very special guest today, my wife, Catherine Beatrice Lori there'

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Speaker 3: she is Beatrice spelled.

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Speaker 1: With a Z, with a z pronounced be a face

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Speaker 1: in Spanish.

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Speaker 3: Wow, there you go. And my name is pronounced Greg.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing special.

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Speaker 2: Gregory, Gregory Mitchell Mitchell, Laurie. Your mom had a thing

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Speaker 2: for movie stars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, I think named after Greg.

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Speaker 1: Reepat not a bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know my nickname was in life though.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I do know what Pogo?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you know why.

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Speaker 2: Because you looked like the character in the cartoon strip

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Speaker 2: there was is Pogo stillana, No, he's gone, he's retired.

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Speaker 3: He had little Kurt. He was a cartoon character, Pogo

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Speaker 3: the Possum. And some aunt saw me and said, he

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Speaker 3: looks like Pogo the possum.

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Speaker 1: You do not? You didn't as a kid either.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't even know where that came. And I

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Speaker 3: was called that for many years and I never liked it.

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Speaker 3: But I just revealed it, so maybe I'll be called

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Speaker 3: it again. Okay. So we were blessed to have a

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Speaker 3: movie made about our life and about the last great

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Speaker 3: spiritual awakening, the Jesus Movement, and so it's a love

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Speaker 3: story where Greg and Kathy meet. Greg played by Joel Courtney,

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Speaker 3: Kathy played by Anna Grace Barlowe. I thought they both

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Speaker 3: did an amazing job, and so people often ask me,

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Speaker 3: is that how it really happens? So let's do scene

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Speaker 3: from Jesus Revolution. Is this the way it really happened.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Greg and Kathy meeting on the high

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Speaker 3: school campus. Greg is looking to the defence. He's got

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Speaker 3: his camera, and here's that scene. Then we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Come here, I.

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Speaker 4: Think there's a guy who wants to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hey square, I am not a square? Sorry, sor

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Speaker 1: are you dressed like one?

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Speaker 2: This is Greg and he's going to be coming to

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Speaker 2: school here.

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Speaker 3: Actually I can't come to school here. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can't actually.

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Speaker 4: What this No, no, no, no, no no, this is not

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Speaker 4: my idea.

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Speaker 5: This is my mom's idea. He thinks the academy will

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Speaker 5: expand my opportunities.

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Speaker 3: See, I would rather expand my mind. Give me a break.

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Speaker 5: You're in high school. All they teach is propaganda and lines.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what if there is no truth? What if it's

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Speaker 1: all just different points of view?

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Speaker 2: Did you just.

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Speaker 5: Quote Alan Ginsburg?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What ureak?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Some?

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Speaker 5: But you know what, I actually disagree with him on

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Speaker 5: that some things are absolutely true?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like what, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I haven't found the yet, or at least now we're

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Speaker 5: asking the right questions.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, Kathy, is this the way that I actually

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Speaker 1: No, that is Hollywood fiction. Now.

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Speaker 2: Actually, the first time I saw you was we were

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Speaker 2: both already Christians and you were teaching a Bible study

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Speaker 3: Remember my leg was shaking the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you nervous energy. You would sit on a

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Speaker 2: You would have your feet up on the little pole there,

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Speaker 3: So I looked down. I was single at the time, obviously,

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Speaker 3: your two sisters. It was Dody and Mary. You went

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Speaker 3: So I looked out and I saw Mary, and I

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Speaker 3: so I thought I want to meet these girls, but

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Speaker 1: Are you coming back?

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Speaker 2: Or what did you say? I remember you said coming

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Speaker 2: next Well, there was things happening almost every night of

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Speaker 2: Monday night, and you said, are you going to come

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Speaker 1: And I said, well, I don't really know.

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Speaker 2: Because I might come on with it's kind of sad.

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Speaker 3: So it was sort of a rejection of my sermon

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Speaker 3: and me at the same time.

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Speaker 2: No, I thought you were hilarious and very entertaining. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: and I came back.

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Speaker 3: You did, and then so I would say after church,

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Speaker 3: I'd see you. Hey, you guys want to go get

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Speaker 3: some dessert after church. That's back in the day, So

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Speaker 3: we'd eat dessert after church. I wouldn't do that. And coffee, Yeah, coffee,

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Speaker 3: So we went out, we had fun together, and then

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Speaker 3: go ahead and get some coffee and dessert? Yeah, let

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Speaker 3: me get my sisters. And I said I don't want

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Speaker 1: Do you have to bring your sister?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I did it as no more diplomatic. So we

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Speaker 3: went out, and that's when we first kind of started

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Speaker 3: not quite dating. It was like predating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was just getting to know each other,

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Speaker 3: When did you think I could end up marrying this guy?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny because kids now wait so

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Speaker 3: in their fifties. And Beck, when we were kids, we

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Speaker 3: got married young. I mean because when got married, you

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Speaker 1: Like at fourteen, I was not thinking marriage. That would

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just thought, well, you were older than fourteen

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Speaker 1: Fun and he loves Jesus.

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Speaker 3: If you were fifteen sixteen cent, No, sixteen, you would

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Speaker 1: No, I was younger than that.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not fourteen. It might have been fifteen. Wow much,

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Speaker 2: But we got married. We got married the day after

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Speaker 3: And why did we do that?

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Speaker 1: Well, because in the movie this part was right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you did want to ask my dad if you

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Speaker 2: could marry me, and you did go outside and take

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Speaker 2: a walk by the swimming pool, and you did say

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Speaker 2: I would like to marry your daughter.

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Speaker 1: And my dad said that's not going to.

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Speaker 2: Happen, yes, because mom was a Catholic and you came

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Speaker 2: from a family of seven divorces. And dad thought, there's

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Speaker 2: no way this hippie preacher will ever be able to

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Speaker 2: support my daughter. And so he said no, yes, and

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Speaker 2: and we are going to get married.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's this scene from the movie so they can

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Speaker 5: Look, mister Martin, I know that you may not approve

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Speaker 5: of everything that Kathy and I are doing, but I

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Speaker 5: just think that it may be because you don't understand

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Speaker 5: that it's real. It really is. And I've got plans

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Speaker 5: for my life, sir, and I just I want Kathy.

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Speaker 4: To be part of that. Greg, I don't understand it,

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Speaker 4: and I don't need to, so long as you understand

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Speaker 3: Sure, I think that you're prematurely judging me.

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Speaker 4: Just listen to the answer is no, and the sooner

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Now, let's go to the last scene in

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Speaker 3: the movie where I officially proposed to you. And you

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Speaker 3: remember this scene and a lot of people say this

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Speaker 3: up at this point, and Greg's come to his senses

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Speaker 3: to your house and he walks in and then he

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Speaker 1: It is not quite accurate though, No.

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Speaker 5: But I wanted to ask you if you still mean

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Speaker 5: Because I got really big plans, kathy, hopes and dreams.

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Speaker 5: I've got goals, and I want to do it with

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Speaker 1: And I love you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like a lot.

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Speaker 1: And so what what what is this? Is this your

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Speaker 1: way of proposing to me?

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Speaker 1: What would you say if it was now? I would

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Speaker 3: In the way of me and God between us.

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Speaker 1: So it's your way of saying yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: I didn't really go to your house and do it. No.

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Speaker 2: We were driving home from we had gone to a

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Speaker 2: everybody would get food poisoning.

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Speaker 1: Because food was terrible. But we had a lot of fun, which.

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Speaker 3: Is a good way to lose weight. Though I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: do it intentionally, but.

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Speaker 1: We didn't need food poisoning.

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Speaker 3: You'll lose a little weight maybe, so.

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Speaker 1: It's ill yeah, but I don't think you did not

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Speaker 1: need to lose weight.

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Speaker 3: That was very skinny.

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Speaker 1: Back then, you had a very flat stomach. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was jealous.

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Speaker 3: Notice that's past tense. Had it could have been to

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Speaker 3: have but you said had past tense. I don't have

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't have a lot of things I have

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Speaker 3: No, no, dot, Like, here's a picture of you when

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Speaker 3: I first met you, and here you are now. You

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Speaker 3: don't look that different. However, look at this, here's what

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Speaker 3: I look like, and now here I am now Okay,

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Speaker 3: So it's like Franklin Graham said, what happened to you

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Speaker 3: and Kathy? It's like he went under a power pole

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Speaker 3: and she got frozen in time and you're aging accelerated.

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Speaker 1: That's Franklin, dear dear friend Franklin.

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Speaker 3: And basically what happened is we're standing there, Chuck is

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you cut my veil didn't come off, but almost.

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Speaker 1: Did, Greg, No married You married the opposite than yourself.

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Speaker 3: I go, why weren't you in time? You said you

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Speaker 3: You think for a moment about somebody watching this. Let's

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Speaker 3: So your advice is find a person more godly than you,

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Speaker 2: All, you know, And then you think down the road,

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Speaker 2: your life.

445
00:23:17,084 --> 00:23:19,085
Speaker 3: Thank you. Let's just end the podcast. Now.

446
00:23:19,405 --> 00:23:22,805
Speaker 2: One thing that Greg, I think really we did right,

447
00:23:23,725 --> 00:23:27,445
Speaker 2: and that is despite the fact that we were from

448
00:23:27,645 --> 00:23:32,604
Speaker 2: very different backgrounds, very different upbringing, very different social standing.

449
00:23:33,645 --> 00:23:37,044
Speaker 3: I had no I don't know manners.

450
00:23:37,524 --> 00:23:37,804
Speaker 5: I was.

451
00:23:37,965 --> 00:23:40,244
Speaker 3: I feel like I was raised by wild wolves. And

452
00:23:40,284 --> 00:23:43,764
Speaker 3: I went to your house and you know, everything is

453
00:23:43,844 --> 00:23:48,084
Speaker 3: so orderly and the way the meal is served and

454
00:23:49,084 --> 00:23:52,564
Speaker 3: you know that, and I'm just sort of there. It

455
00:23:52,604 --> 00:23:53,364
Speaker 3: was very different.

456
00:23:53,804 --> 00:23:56,725
Speaker 1: It was very different. But one thing that.

457
00:23:58,125 --> 00:24:02,244
Speaker 2: After coming to Christ, we took the Bible at face

458
00:24:02,405 --> 00:24:06,805
Speaker 2: value and that that was God's instruction for us. And

459
00:24:06,885 --> 00:24:11,445
Speaker 2: so it never would have occurred to us as Christians

460
00:24:13,004 --> 00:24:17,524
Speaker 2: to ever live together before we were married, to to

461
00:24:18,484 --> 00:24:21,445
Speaker 2: live and conduct our lives the way that the whole

462
00:24:21,484 --> 00:24:24,924
Speaker 2: culture was moving even at that time. I mean, we've

463
00:24:25,125 --> 00:24:28,124
Speaker 2: reaped the whirlwind of that. But what we've seen in

464
00:24:28,165 --> 00:24:31,925
Speaker 2: culture today and even in the Church today is more

465
00:24:31,965 --> 00:24:37,084
Speaker 2: and more Christian couples that have decided, for economic reasons,

466
00:24:37,925 --> 00:24:44,205
Speaker 2: tax reasons, whatever it is, they have decided that living

467
00:24:44,244 --> 00:24:48,605
Speaker 2: together is an okay thing without being in the bonds

468
00:24:48,645 --> 00:24:50,004
Speaker 2: and commitment of marriage.

469
00:24:50,484 --> 00:24:51,484
Speaker 1: What do you think about that.

470
00:24:51,564 --> 00:24:53,725
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a big mistake. And

471
00:24:54,564 --> 00:24:58,205
Speaker 3: you know, the Bible says, you know, for this causual

472
00:24:58,244 --> 00:25:00,524
Speaker 3: im and leave his father and mother, be joined his wife,

473
00:25:00,564 --> 00:25:05,524
Speaker 3: and the two will become one flesh. It's your and

474
00:25:05,604 --> 00:25:09,524
Speaker 3: making a public commitment to a man to a woman

475
00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:15,205
Speaker 3: for life. Wedlock should be a padlock. And living together

476
00:25:15,405 --> 00:25:19,324
Speaker 3: is a great way to sabotage your marriage instead of

477
00:25:20,365 --> 00:25:23,404
Speaker 3: having a trial run. You know. Some might think or oh,

478
00:25:23,445 --> 00:25:25,884
Speaker 3: it's like test driving a car. No, it isn't, because,

479
00:25:25,925 --> 00:25:29,284
Speaker 3: first of all, if you're having sexual relations, which most

480
00:25:29,365 --> 00:25:32,084
Speaker 3: likely would be happening if you're living together, you are

481
00:25:32,125 --> 00:25:35,124
Speaker 3: committing fornication. That is a sin. And the Bible is

482
00:25:35,205 --> 00:25:39,524
Speaker 3: very clear about this. It's on multiple occasions says that

483
00:25:39,885 --> 00:25:44,444
Speaker 3: is a sin. Okay, so you're committing continuous sin before

484
00:25:44,484 --> 00:25:48,325
Speaker 3: you're married. I've read actually studies that have been done

485
00:25:48,365 --> 00:25:50,884
Speaker 3: that have revealed that people that live together have a

486
00:25:50,965 --> 00:25:54,484
Speaker 3: far higher divorce rate than those that wait until marriage

487
00:25:54,484 --> 00:25:56,805
Speaker 3: and just get married. So, you know, because it's kind

488
00:25:56,844 --> 00:26:01,125
Speaker 3: of like, you know, you can bail at any time, right,

489
00:26:01,205 --> 00:26:03,324
Speaker 3: Oh well, you know, if I'm kind of tired of

490
00:26:03,365 --> 00:26:04,844
Speaker 3: this and they just walk away, and people do it

491
00:26:04,844 --> 00:26:07,764
Speaker 3: all the time and they have children and you know,

492
00:26:07,804 --> 00:26:09,885
Speaker 3: and listen, I live this. I live this in real

493
00:26:09,925 --> 00:26:12,365
Speaker 3: time with my mother. I think one of the good

494
00:26:12,445 --> 00:26:15,524
Speaker 3: things that came out of my childhood was I didn't

495
00:26:15,604 --> 00:26:18,165
Speaker 3: want to live that life. And I saw what divorce

496
00:26:18,284 --> 00:26:21,324
Speaker 3: did to my mother. I saw what divorce did to

497
00:26:21,365 --> 00:26:24,365
Speaker 3: me as a child, and you know, and my mom

498
00:26:24,645 --> 00:26:27,205
Speaker 3: married a divorced guy, She lived with guys, she did

499
00:26:27,284 --> 00:26:30,605
Speaker 3: like everything you shouldn't do, and so in a way,

500
00:26:30,645 --> 00:26:34,205
Speaker 3: it was sort of like, don't do this. But just

501
00:26:34,284 --> 00:26:37,725
Speaker 3: to kind of put a bow on it, it's outside

502
00:26:37,725 --> 00:26:41,124
Speaker 3: of God's order. It's never acceptable. I don't care if

503
00:26:41,125 --> 00:26:45,685
Speaker 3: there's financial benefits or whatever other justification you come up with.

504
00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:50,884
Speaker 3: If you are two people in a home having sexual

505
00:26:50,925 --> 00:26:55,044
Speaker 3: relations and you're not married, you're living in sin and

506
00:26:55,205 --> 00:26:58,364
Speaker 3: God will not bless that period. And not only that,

507
00:26:58,484 --> 00:27:03,364
Speaker 3: as I said already, you're actually sabotaging a marriage in

508
00:27:03,405 --> 00:27:05,445
Speaker 3: the future. So it's like the worst thing you could do.

509
00:27:05,725 --> 00:27:08,405
Speaker 2: Yeah, because and not only that, but if you think

510
00:27:08,445 --> 00:27:10,604
Speaker 2: that living together is a child run, it is not

511
00:27:10,764 --> 00:27:14,044
Speaker 2: the same as once you have made that firm commitment

512
00:27:14,084 --> 00:27:17,085
Speaker 2: and made a covenant before God and before your family

513
00:27:17,844 --> 00:27:21,604
Speaker 2: and legally that you are going to stay together. You

514
00:27:21,685 --> 00:27:25,165
Speaker 2: are making these vows to one another, and just living

515
00:27:25,205 --> 00:27:28,325
Speaker 2: together is not the same experience. And you're right that

516
00:27:28,405 --> 00:27:32,044
Speaker 2: the statistics show that most couples that live together do

517
00:27:32,165 --> 00:27:34,004
Speaker 2: not end up staying together.

518
00:27:34,244 --> 00:27:37,125
Speaker 3: That's right, Okay, So let's shift cares and explore your

519
00:27:37,284 --> 00:27:41,965
Speaker 3: very interesting childhood. So we met in Long Beach, California

520
00:27:42,205 --> 00:27:44,244
Speaker 3: when I was speaking at the Little Bible Study. As

521
00:27:44,284 --> 00:27:48,085
Speaker 3: you mentioned, interestingly, we were both born in Lung Beach, California,

522
00:27:48,844 --> 00:27:51,725
Speaker 3: and yet but you went all around the world and

523
00:27:51,764 --> 00:27:55,364
Speaker 3: I went all around the United States in between those times.

524
00:27:55,405 --> 00:27:57,085
Speaker 3: So how did that happen? Why?

525
00:27:57,284 --> 00:28:00,405
Speaker 2: Well, my father, after he got out of the service

526
00:28:00,564 --> 00:28:04,725
Speaker 2: back in World War two, bavy, he graduated from USC

527
00:28:04,804 --> 00:28:07,525
Speaker 2: and took a job with Standard Oil and I think

528
00:28:07,524 --> 00:28:09,604
Speaker 2: it was called Standard Vacuum at that time, and they

529
00:28:09,604 --> 00:28:13,764
Speaker 2: were hiring single men to go work in the Far East,

530
00:28:13,885 --> 00:28:16,524
Speaker 2: and he had spent time in the South Pacific in

531
00:28:16,564 --> 00:28:19,764
Speaker 2: the Navy and decided that that he would like to

532
00:28:19,804 --> 00:28:23,205
Speaker 2: do that. So he ended up going to the Philippines

533
00:28:23,405 --> 00:28:24,084
Speaker 2: and he.

534
00:28:24,084 --> 00:28:26,004
Speaker 3: Was is that where he met your mother, That's where

535
00:28:26,004 --> 00:28:28,445
Speaker 3: he met my mom. Your mother Pilar my mother.

536
00:28:28,324 --> 00:28:31,044
Speaker 1: Pilar Pilar Gonzales Lao.

537
00:28:31,685 --> 00:28:34,804
Speaker 2: So my mother is Spanish descent and half Spanish, born

538
00:28:34,844 --> 00:28:38,125
Speaker 2: and raised in the Philippines, and she met my dad

539
00:28:38,125 --> 00:28:42,045
Speaker 2: and they got married and we lived there well ever

540
00:28:42,125 --> 00:28:44,525
Speaker 2: since I was born. So I was born in Long Beach,

541
00:28:44,565 --> 00:28:46,884
Speaker 2: but we were taking a little side trip to the

542
00:28:47,005 --> 00:28:49,645
Speaker 2: US and that's when I was born. But we went

543
00:28:49,725 --> 00:28:51,565
Speaker 2: back to the Philippines and I lived there until I

544
00:28:51,645 --> 00:28:56,645
Speaker 2: was seven years old, and then a very strict Roman

545
00:28:56,685 --> 00:28:59,884
Speaker 2: Catholic upbringing. My dad was not a Roman Catholic, but

546
00:29:00,325 --> 00:29:03,285
Speaker 2: we did attend church every Sunday and did all the

547
00:29:03,844 --> 00:29:04,685
Speaker 2: all the things.

548
00:29:04,445 --> 00:29:05,444
Speaker 1: That we were supposed to do.

549
00:29:07,165 --> 00:29:11,525
Speaker 2: And then at seven we moved to Thailand and lived

550
00:29:11,565 --> 00:29:14,445
Speaker 2: in Thailand in Bangkok for a number of years, and

551
00:29:14,485 --> 00:29:17,605
Speaker 2: then we moved from there. We came to the US

552
00:29:17,725 --> 00:29:21,045
Speaker 2: and we lived in Princeton, New Jersey. My dad worked

553
00:29:21,045 --> 00:29:22,765
Speaker 2: in New York City and he would take a train

554
00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:26,005
Speaker 2: in every day, and so I experienced a little bit

555
00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:27,965
Speaker 2: of what it was like to live in the US.

556
00:29:28,885 --> 00:29:32,445
Speaker 2: And then from there my dad returned to the Far

557
00:29:32,525 --> 00:29:36,325
Speaker 2: East and worked in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia, and it

558
00:29:36,445 --> 00:29:41,164
Speaker 2: was there that that was about sixth grade, seventh grade,

559
00:29:41,844 --> 00:29:46,045
Speaker 2: right around the time that the whole cultural revolution took place,

560
00:29:46,084 --> 00:29:48,685
Speaker 2: and it so it hits you over there, it reached

561
00:29:48,805 --> 00:29:49,565
Speaker 2: us over there.

562
00:29:49,685 --> 00:29:54,205
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you were Okay, so you have three

563
00:29:54,245 --> 00:29:58,325
Speaker 3: sisters and one brother, and so you were in the

564
00:29:59,045 --> 00:30:01,605
Speaker 3: middle and you were being.

565
00:30:01,525 --> 00:30:05,124
Speaker 2: Influenced by my two older sisters Marian Dooti.

566
00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:07,325
Speaker 3: Yeah, saying too, that were with you at that little

567
00:30:07,325 --> 00:30:07,885
Speaker 3: Bible step.

568
00:30:08,005 --> 00:30:11,965
Speaker 2: Yeah, my oldest sisters began to experiment with drugs when

569
00:30:11,965 --> 00:30:14,285
Speaker 2: we were living in Southeast Asia.

570
00:30:14,445 --> 00:30:16,325
Speaker 3: And old were they when that happened.

571
00:30:16,565 --> 00:30:19,404
Speaker 1: My oldest sister was finishing high school.

572
00:30:19,485 --> 00:30:23,445
Speaker 3: Okay, And how were you when you first started experimenting

573
00:30:23,485 --> 00:30:28,325
Speaker 3: with drugs? Fourteen? Wow? I just talked to a young

574
00:30:28,405 --> 00:30:34,205
Speaker 3: man the other day. And you know, the culture of today,

575
00:30:34,245 --> 00:30:36,765
Speaker 3: what kids are dealing with. The drugs are more potent,

576
00:30:37,485 --> 00:30:41,444
Speaker 3: they're more readily available, and then you have the weird

577
00:30:41,604 --> 00:30:45,965
Speaker 3: phenomena of social media that amplifies everything. And it's sort

578
00:30:46,005 --> 00:30:47,765
Speaker 3: of like we've taken a lot of the things that

579
00:30:47,844 --> 00:30:50,965
Speaker 3: we did back in those days and you've like amplified

580
00:30:51,005 --> 00:30:55,765
Speaker 3: it and you just see the devastating effect, devastating effect

581
00:30:55,765 --> 00:31:00,844
Speaker 3: it has on kids today. But so you guys were

582
00:31:00,885 --> 00:31:05,005
Speaker 3: going down the wrong roads together. So you're fourteen years old,

583
00:31:05,525 --> 00:31:08,965
Speaker 3: you're using drugs. These sweet little girls that were all

584
00:31:09,084 --> 00:31:12,405
Speaker 3: dressed alike when you would go in flights together and

585
00:31:12,805 --> 00:31:15,445
Speaker 3: so mannerly, raised so well by your mom and dad,

586
00:31:15,645 --> 00:31:18,725
Speaker 3: are now beginning to rebel, like your parents don't even

587
00:31:18,725 --> 00:31:20,725
Speaker 3: know where you're going at what you're doing.

588
00:31:21,325 --> 00:31:23,405
Speaker 1: The whole drug culture was really.

589
00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:28,565
Speaker 2: It was mind blowing, seriously, you know, for having been

590
00:31:28,685 --> 00:31:34,445
Speaker 2: raised and very conservative and very structured upbringing, going to

591
00:31:34,565 --> 00:31:38,525
Speaker 2: church every Sunday many times, to the Latin Mass.

592
00:31:39,205 --> 00:31:42,084
Speaker 1: Never really you want to be a nun at some point.

593
00:31:42,005 --> 00:31:44,285
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was kind of obsessed with the TV

594
00:31:44,365 --> 00:31:47,805
Speaker 2: show The Flying Nun. Yes, the Flying Nuns, and I think,

595
00:31:47,885 --> 00:31:51,405
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, anyway, I like their little veils.

596
00:31:52,725 --> 00:31:54,725
Speaker 3: Well she had that cool thing and she'd fly literally.

597
00:31:55,565 --> 00:32:01,165
Speaker 2: Well anyhow, never having experienced anything spiritual, I was just

598
00:32:01,285 --> 00:32:03,604
Speaker 2: kind of going through the motions. I made my first

599
00:32:03,604 --> 00:32:06,205
Speaker 2: Holy communion, I did my first confess. I went to

600
00:32:06,285 --> 00:32:07,005
Speaker 2: church every Sundy.

601
00:32:07,045 --> 00:32:08,085
Speaker 1: My mom was very.

602
00:32:07,965 --> 00:32:13,604
Speaker 2: Very strict, so but outside of doing things on Sunday morning,

603
00:32:14,084 --> 00:32:14,885
Speaker 2: I just felt like.

604
00:32:14,885 --> 00:32:17,085
Speaker 1: Well, if Jesus is who he.

605
00:32:17,045 --> 00:32:20,045
Speaker 2: Said he was, and maybe it was, you know, more

606
00:32:20,084 --> 00:32:23,645
Speaker 2: than a historical figure. And maybe he did do miracles,

607
00:32:23,685 --> 00:32:27,725
Speaker 2: and maybe people did hear God speak to them personally

608
00:32:27,765 --> 00:32:28,365
Speaker 2: and audibly.

609
00:32:28,565 --> 00:32:31,125
Speaker 1: I certainly have never met anyone who has.

610
00:32:31,885 --> 00:32:35,045
Speaker 2: And so when the drug culture came, there was this

611
00:32:35,125 --> 00:32:39,644
Speaker 2: promise of enlightenment and almost an experience with God. And

612
00:32:39,685 --> 00:32:41,844
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of a difference. We were

613
00:32:42,125 --> 00:32:46,204
Speaker 2: getting high to necessarily party and escape. We were getting

614
00:32:46,565 --> 00:32:49,604
Speaker 2: high because we thought there was some deeper truth, some

615
00:32:49,725 --> 00:32:53,084
Speaker 2: deeper experience, and you know, we're following the Beatles and

616
00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:59,805
Speaker 2: we're following all this stuff, and so there was there

617
00:32:59,805 --> 00:33:04,365
Speaker 2: were those experiences, but they were always tied to the drugs,

618
00:33:04,885 --> 00:33:07,565
Speaker 2: and you'd come down, you'd come off the drugs, and

619
00:33:07,565 --> 00:33:09,965
Speaker 2: then you're back to your ordinary life, and that was that.

620
00:33:10,045 --> 00:33:12,685
Speaker 2: And so there was a great deal of even after

621
00:33:12,725 --> 00:33:14,565
Speaker 2: having just done that for a year. So there was

622
00:33:14,565 --> 00:33:17,165
Speaker 2: a great deal of emptiness that I had experienced.

623
00:33:17,165 --> 00:33:17,965
Speaker 1: And so then.

624
00:33:19,885 --> 00:33:24,725
Speaker 2: One spring day we moved back to California. My dad

625
00:33:24,725 --> 00:33:27,085
Speaker 2: finished his career with Standard Oil and he was going

626
00:33:27,125 --> 00:33:30,845
Speaker 2: to be transitioning to a different career. I was at

627
00:33:30,844 --> 00:33:33,924
Speaker 2: a high college campus with my sister Mary, who had

628
00:33:33,965 --> 00:33:37,525
Speaker 2: started college at that time, and we were getting high

629
00:33:37,565 --> 00:33:39,245
Speaker 2: on the lawn thinking we were going to go in

630
00:33:39,844 --> 00:33:45,604
Speaker 2: and see a rock concert at the student lounge. So

631
00:33:45,885 --> 00:33:48,844
Speaker 2: of course we're sitting on the front lawn, the five

632
00:33:48,885 --> 00:33:51,765
Speaker 2: of us girls, waiting for the concert to start, and

633
00:33:51,805 --> 00:33:54,925
Speaker 2: we were smoking pot and these guys came walking up

634
00:33:55,245 --> 00:33:59,285
Speaker 2: to us. And it was pretty typical in those days

635
00:33:59,285 --> 00:34:01,565
Speaker 2: that when someone would approach you and you're getting high,

636
00:34:01,645 --> 00:34:06,805
Speaker 2: it's just like everybody shared everything. So I was expecting

637
00:34:06,844 --> 00:34:08,685
Speaker 2: them to just sit down in the circle and get

638
00:34:08,765 --> 00:34:11,725
Speaker 2: high with us, but they didn't. They stood outside the

639
00:34:11,765 --> 00:34:16,565
Speaker 2: circle and they said, we said, do you want to

640
00:34:16,565 --> 00:34:19,045
Speaker 2: get high? And they said, no, we don't do that anymore.

641
00:34:19,045 --> 00:34:21,325
Speaker 2: And then I said, well, why don't you do that anymore?

642
00:34:21,325 --> 00:34:25,725
Speaker 2: And they said because we found something better. And I said, well,

643
00:34:25,925 --> 00:34:28,765
Speaker 2: oh yeah. So I'm sitting there standing and I'm looking

644
00:34:28,845 --> 00:34:30,685
Speaker 2: up at these hippie guys and I'm saying, oh yeah, well,

645
00:34:30,685 --> 00:34:33,165
Speaker 2: what was it that you found that was better? And

646
00:34:33,205 --> 00:34:36,965
Speaker 2: they said, a relationship with God through Jesus Christ? And

647
00:34:37,005 --> 00:34:42,485
Speaker 2: I was like, Jesus Christ, are you serious, the historical

648
00:34:42,565 --> 00:34:46,965
Speaker 2: Jesus you have a relationship with him? And this connection

649
00:34:47,125 --> 00:34:51,245
Speaker 2: with God, I mean, that's not I never met anybody

650
00:34:51,285 --> 00:34:54,005
Speaker 2: in my entire life that ever said anything like that

651
00:34:54,125 --> 00:34:57,605
Speaker 2: to me. So I was intrigued. But at the same time,

652
00:34:57,685 --> 00:35:02,964
Speaker 2: I was skeptical, and I had pretty much never had

653
00:35:03,045 --> 00:35:07,005
Speaker 2: a sense of a connection with God or spirituality. I mean,

654
00:35:07,045 --> 00:35:10,445
Speaker 2: I had heard the stories of saints and miracles and

655
00:35:10,485 --> 00:35:12,685
Speaker 2: all of that. And that's the one thing the Catholic

656
00:35:12,725 --> 00:35:16,405
Speaker 2: Church does teach that I'm grateful for, is that Jesus

657
00:35:16,445 --> 00:35:21,325
Speaker 2: really was God, come to earth in flesh, died on

658
00:35:21,365 --> 00:35:24,765
Speaker 2: the cross, and rose from the dead. And so I thought,

659
00:35:24,925 --> 00:35:27,845
Speaker 2: you know, maybe back then two thousand years ago, but

660
00:35:27,925 --> 00:35:30,285
Speaker 2: not today, And you're telling me you know this today.

661
00:35:30,365 --> 00:35:33,445
Speaker 2: And then I started to laugh, and I think that

662
00:35:34,085 --> 00:35:35,005
Speaker 2: the reaction was.

663
00:35:37,565 --> 00:35:38,685
Speaker 1: A strange kind of laughter.

664
00:35:38,765 --> 00:35:39,005
Speaker 3: Greg.

665
00:35:39,165 --> 00:35:41,765
Speaker 2: I have to be totally honest with you that as

666
00:35:41,805 --> 00:35:44,445
Speaker 2: I started to laugh, I put my hands over my face.

667
00:35:45,165 --> 00:35:50,085
Speaker 2: And now, when you're high, you get silly and you

668
00:35:50,165 --> 00:35:52,525
Speaker 2: start laughing, And there was an aspect of that that

669
00:35:52,605 --> 00:35:54,885
Speaker 2: was going on. But there was another thing that happened

670
00:35:54,925 --> 00:35:57,364
Speaker 2: to me. As I had my hands over my face

671
00:35:57,445 --> 00:36:01,245
Speaker 2: and I was laughing, a thought occurred to me. And

672
00:36:01,605 --> 00:36:04,325
Speaker 2: it was the first time in my life I had

673
00:36:04,365 --> 00:36:09,885
Speaker 2: ever had any sense of eternity.

674
00:36:09,565 --> 00:36:10,565
Speaker 1: Or something spiritual.

675
00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:15,005
Speaker 2: And I had really tried getting high meditating. I had

676
00:36:15,045 --> 00:36:17,885
Speaker 2: heard people have out of body experiences and all of

677
00:36:17,885 --> 00:36:21,925
Speaker 2: that kind of spiritual stuff going on, and I tried,

678
00:36:22,485 --> 00:36:27,045
Speaker 2: but it never had happened for me. But at that moment,

679
00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:30,884
Speaker 2: as I was laughing, this very dark moment where I'm

680
00:36:30,965 --> 00:36:34,805
Speaker 2: laughing at what they're saying and I'm laughing at them,

681
00:36:35,125 --> 00:36:37,445
Speaker 2: a thought occurred to me, almost like a lightning bolt,

682
00:36:37,485 --> 00:36:40,045
Speaker 2: And this thought came to me, and it was, you

683
00:36:40,085 --> 00:36:43,125
Speaker 2: are on your way to hell, and what they're saying

684
00:36:43,285 --> 00:36:46,165
Speaker 2: is holy and true, and you need to listen to them.

685
00:36:46,805 --> 00:36:51,005
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you talk about like sobering up. And

686
00:36:51,285 --> 00:36:53,365
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was like I put my

687
00:36:53,405 --> 00:36:56,045
Speaker 2: hands down and I looked up and said, okay, so

688
00:36:56,645 --> 00:36:57,045
Speaker 2: what do.

689
00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:57,605
Speaker 1: I need to do?

690
00:36:58,045 --> 00:36:58,325
Speaker 5: Wow?

691
00:36:58,605 --> 00:36:59,525
Speaker 1: And they told me.

692
00:37:01,845 --> 00:37:05,125
Speaker 2: It was And I will say I had girlfriends we

693
00:37:05,245 --> 00:37:07,605
Speaker 2: do something naughty, and they'd say, oh, let's go pray

694
00:37:07,645 --> 00:37:10,205
Speaker 2: before the crucifix and asked Jesus to forgive us of

695
00:37:10,205 --> 00:37:12,125
Speaker 2: our saying sum. And I would stand back and I

696
00:37:12,125 --> 00:37:14,485
Speaker 2: would watch and I would just think, why are you

697
00:37:14,565 --> 00:37:17,005
Speaker 2: doing that? It's just a cross on my wall that

698
00:37:17,085 --> 00:37:20,525
Speaker 2: my mom put there and they had some conviction of

699
00:37:20,565 --> 00:37:23,685
Speaker 2: their sin. I never had a sense of that ever

700
00:37:23,805 --> 00:37:25,285
Speaker 2: in my life until.

701
00:37:24,965 --> 00:37:28,445
Speaker 1: That moment, and that's when I gave my life to christ.

702
00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:29,565
Speaker 3: Yeah.

703
00:37:29,765 --> 00:37:32,325
Speaker 1: Turned out that rock concert was a Christian rock concert.

704
00:37:32,765 --> 00:37:34,725
Speaker 3: I think it was a Christian band called a Gape.

705
00:37:35,125 --> 00:37:35,685
Speaker 1: It was a.

706
00:37:35,685 --> 00:37:39,405
Speaker 2: Hard rock, very hard rock band, Yeah, that played in

707
00:37:39,445 --> 00:37:41,925
Speaker 2: the student lounge at Long Beach City, which was a very.

708
00:37:41,725 --> 00:37:44,925
Speaker 3: Cool thing of that era where there was this thinking,

709
00:37:45,125 --> 00:37:48,325
Speaker 3: let's go out everywhere and engage people with the gospel,

710
00:37:48,765 --> 00:37:51,485
Speaker 3: and you were reached on a campus, a college campus.

711
00:37:51,525 --> 00:37:54,645
Speaker 3: I was reached on a high school campus. And I

712
00:37:54,685 --> 00:37:56,965
Speaker 3: think we need to see more of that today, people

713
00:37:57,045 --> 00:38:01,525
Speaker 3: going out where people are in evangelizing them and not.

714
00:38:02,485 --> 00:38:09,685
Speaker 2: Ever underestimating the power of the Holy Spirit to bring

715
00:38:09,765 --> 00:38:13,364
Speaker 2: to life a dead conscience, you know, and and have

716
00:38:13,405 --> 00:38:17,085
Speaker 2: an encounter with the supernatural. I think that all of

717
00:38:17,125 --> 00:38:19,965
Speaker 2: our college campuses today, and you hear about it more

718
00:38:20,045 --> 00:38:25,285
Speaker 2: and more frequently, is a fascination with the occult and

719
00:38:25,325 --> 00:38:31,445
Speaker 2: people looking for a connection with something supernatural, and you know,

720
00:38:32,005 --> 00:38:36,485
Speaker 2: there I heard someone say that the whole New atheist

721
00:38:36,525 --> 00:38:41,605
Speaker 2: movement is dying and death on college campuses, that most

722
00:38:41,685 --> 00:38:46,125
Speaker 2: people if they're at all not Christian and following Jesus.

723
00:38:46,565 --> 00:38:50,404
Speaker 2: They are playing and toying around with the occult, whether

724
00:38:50,485 --> 00:38:56,565
Speaker 2: it's Buiji boards, or whether it's seances, whether it's the

725
00:38:56,845 --> 00:39:00,125
Speaker 2: astrology charts and all of that. Yeah, tyrole cards, that

726
00:39:00,205 --> 00:39:03,685
Speaker 2: kind of thing that people are really hungry and thirsty for.

727
00:39:03,765 --> 00:39:04,565
Speaker 1: Someday as I will.

728
00:39:05,205 --> 00:39:09,525
Speaker 3: Side a warning to stay away from those things. Oh

729
00:39:09,525 --> 00:39:12,205
Speaker 3: I read my astrology, call him every morning, or I

730
00:39:12,325 --> 00:39:14,925
Speaker 3: like to play with the terror cards or you know,

731
00:39:15,005 --> 00:39:19,205
Speaker 3: Auegi board or whatever. These are dangerous things. These are

732
00:39:19,365 --> 00:39:22,965
Speaker 3: doorways to darkness and the you know you don't want

733
00:39:23,005 --> 00:39:25,245
Speaker 3: to go down these roads. These are not little toys

734
00:39:25,285 --> 00:39:28,965
Speaker 3: to play with. Their deceptions from Satan, who is described

735
00:39:28,965 --> 00:39:31,525
Speaker 3: in the Bible as an angel of light. He doesn't

736
00:39:31,525 --> 00:39:36,005
Speaker 3: always come in as degravity. He comes oh with this

737
00:39:36,285 --> 00:39:39,725
Speaker 3: enlightening thing, or this is going to help you be

738
00:39:39,805 --> 00:39:42,765
Speaker 3: a better person or be really pleasurable. And he's just

739
00:39:42,765 --> 00:39:45,805
Speaker 3: a liar. He's the father of lies. The Bible says,

740
00:39:45,885 --> 00:39:49,005
Speaker 3: So let's shift gears now, So you've come to Christ.

741
00:39:49,045 --> 00:39:52,565
Speaker 3: That I've come to Christ. We get married, I marry myself,

742
00:39:54,045 --> 00:39:57,725
Speaker 3: and so we have our first son, Christopher, and were

743
00:39:57,725 --> 00:40:01,285
Speaker 3: you prepared to be a mother at the age of nineteen.

744
00:40:01,445 --> 00:40:04,925
Speaker 2: I was probably the least prepared person in the world

745
00:40:05,085 --> 00:40:08,765
Speaker 2: because I was raised by nannies my mom. My mom

746
00:40:08,965 --> 00:40:12,884
Speaker 2: didn't even nurture and feed us and bade us when

747
00:40:12,925 --> 00:40:16,045
Speaker 2: we were little. We had nannies that took care of us.

748
00:40:16,165 --> 00:40:20,125
Speaker 2: And so, you know, when we when we got married,

749
00:40:20,285 --> 00:40:23,965
Speaker 2: and here's another thing, it's like culture today is putting

750
00:40:23,965 --> 00:40:27,844
Speaker 2: off having children. It's like, you know, let's let's wait

751
00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:29,645
Speaker 2: until we're more financially stable.

752
00:40:29,725 --> 00:40:32,725
Speaker 1: Let's wait until we were far from financially.

753
00:40:32,605 --> 00:40:37,125
Speaker 2: We were at poverty level actually starting the church. Yeah,

754
00:40:37,565 --> 00:40:38,685
Speaker 2: but we made it work.

755
00:40:39,365 --> 00:40:40,445
Speaker 1: And so.

756
00:40:41,965 --> 00:40:44,885
Speaker 2: After we'd been married for six months, it was like, well,

757
00:40:45,125 --> 00:40:48,485
Speaker 2: let's have a baby. You know what's next. And so, yeah,

758
00:40:48,525 --> 00:40:52,605
Speaker 2: we did have Christopher, and I remember.

759
00:40:52,365 --> 00:40:59,445
Speaker 3: It was a very ounces yeah. Yeah, yeah, I remember

760
00:40:59,485 --> 00:41:02,245
Speaker 3: when after he was born, I was all excited and

761
00:41:02,285 --> 00:41:05,685
Speaker 3: we went home and I sat down and thought, I

762
00:41:05,725 --> 00:41:09,565
Speaker 3: don't know the first thing about being a father because I'd.

763
00:41:09,405 --> 00:41:12,445
Speaker 2: Never had a father, And say that to me. I

764
00:41:12,485 --> 00:41:15,964
Speaker 2: was like, because I felt the same way. We went

765
00:41:16,045 --> 00:41:19,125
Speaker 2: from the hospital to my mom's house and the nanny

766
00:41:19,165 --> 00:41:23,285
Speaker 2: that took care of me actually was still living with

767
00:41:23,325 --> 00:41:27,404
Speaker 2: my mom and dad, and I've sort of reverted back

768
00:41:27,445 --> 00:41:30,405
Speaker 2: to being a child again, and someone else is taking

769
00:41:30,445 --> 00:41:32,925
Speaker 2: care of the baby now. But three days later, you

770
00:41:33,005 --> 00:41:36,485
Speaker 2: said we need to go home, and so we packed.

771
00:41:36,205 --> 00:41:39,404
Speaker 3: Up with your parents again.

772
00:41:40,405 --> 00:41:44,005
Speaker 2: It was very secure compared to the crazy world we

773
00:41:44,005 --> 00:41:47,005
Speaker 2: were living in. But we drove from Long Beach back

774
00:41:47,045 --> 00:41:53,525
Speaker 2: to Riverside and I remember listening to John Denver in

775
00:41:53,605 --> 00:41:58,525
Speaker 2: his music and I cried the whole way. I knew

776
00:41:58,565 --> 00:42:01,165
Speaker 2: I was going through a little bit of postpartum depression,

777
00:42:01,765 --> 00:42:05,245
Speaker 2: and I had worked for an obgyn for a little

778
00:42:05,285 --> 00:42:07,525
Speaker 2: period of time as a back office nurse, so I

779
00:42:07,565 --> 00:42:12,445
Speaker 2: had a sense of what was happening to me hormonally

780
00:42:12,525 --> 00:42:15,165
Speaker 2: and so forth, but nothing really prepared me for the

781
00:42:15,205 --> 00:42:21,404
Speaker 2: way I felt just completely at sea, you know, overwhelmed

782
00:42:21,405 --> 00:42:23,725
Speaker 2: with the thought and the responsibility of a little one.

783
00:42:24,205 --> 00:42:26,805
Speaker 2: And no, you were you were great. I would be

784
00:42:26,845 --> 00:42:28,565
Speaker 2: crying all day long, but you were great.

785
00:42:28,845 --> 00:42:30,085
Speaker 1: I thought, You're like this.

786
00:42:30,405 --> 00:42:32,045
Speaker 3: I wasn't having that postpartum.

787
00:42:32,565 --> 00:42:34,485
Speaker 1: We managed, We managed.

788
00:42:34,525 --> 00:42:36,965
Speaker 3: You know, three well. I think not having a father

789
00:42:37,765 --> 00:42:40,605
Speaker 3: it made me. It's funny because you know, instead of

790
00:42:40,845 --> 00:42:43,285
Speaker 3: wanting to just well, I don't know what I'm doing whatever.

791
00:42:43,725 --> 00:42:46,765
Speaker 3: I really began to read, you know, get great Christian

792
00:42:46,805 --> 00:42:49,485
Speaker 3: books like books by James Dobson and others. How to

793
00:42:49,485 --> 00:42:51,925
Speaker 3: be a parent. I talked to people who are parents

794
00:42:51,925 --> 00:42:54,565
Speaker 3: to ask them out of questions, and I actually wanted

795
00:42:54,565 --> 00:42:58,365
Speaker 3: to be the best father possible I did. Speaking of Dobson,

796
00:42:58,645 --> 00:43:02,085
Speaker 3: I did hear him say once every parent owes their

797
00:43:02,165 --> 00:43:05,125
Speaker 3: first child in apology, and I thought, that's kind of funny,

798
00:43:05,125 --> 00:43:08,565
Speaker 3: because you know, when you're doing it for the first time,

799
00:43:08,885 --> 00:43:13,485
Speaker 3: you probably overdo everything a little bit. And I know

800
00:43:13,605 --> 00:43:16,125
Speaker 3: that I did tend to spoil Christopher. I think I

801
00:43:16,165 --> 00:43:18,485
Speaker 3: wanted to give him the child good I did not

802
00:43:18,645 --> 00:43:21,045
Speaker 3: have right. One time we went to a toy store.

803
00:43:21,045 --> 00:43:23,645
Speaker 3: I go, Christopher, let's go to a toy store. And

804
00:43:23,725 --> 00:43:26,125
Speaker 3: we're at Star Wars without the first time, so this

805
00:43:26,205 --> 00:43:29,925
Speaker 3: is early seventies, and I said, pick up for yourself

806
00:43:29,965 --> 00:43:32,805
Speaker 3: a figure, a Star Wars figure. So he's looking at

807
00:43:32,925 --> 00:43:38,444
Speaker 3: you know, Luke Skywalker and Han Solo and Boba Fett

808
00:43:38,485 --> 00:43:40,765
Speaker 3: and all these characters, and he goes then I picked

809
00:43:40,765 --> 00:43:43,765
Speaker 3: it out, and he picks out Han Solo, and then

810
00:43:43,805 --> 00:43:46,325
Speaker 3: I said, how about this to go with it? And

811
00:43:46,365 --> 00:43:49,085
Speaker 3: I got the Millennium falcon off the top shelf, which

812
00:43:49,165 --> 00:43:51,885
Speaker 3: was giant, and we came home with all of these toys,

813
00:43:51,885 --> 00:43:53,645
Speaker 3: and You're just like, what are you doing?

814
00:43:54,045 --> 00:43:57,205
Speaker 2: I know, because although we had money growing up, we

815
00:43:57,285 --> 00:43:58,485
Speaker 2: never got toys like that.

816
00:43:58,605 --> 00:44:00,485
Speaker 3: Now and I really couldn't even afford it. But I

817
00:44:00,685 --> 00:44:05,125
Speaker 3: just wanted to give him these things, you know, because

818
00:44:05,165 --> 00:44:07,885
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't have those things. And I wanted

819
00:44:07,965 --> 00:44:10,325
Speaker 3: him to know he had a father, yeah, who loved him.

820
00:44:10,405 --> 00:44:12,285
Speaker 1: Well, he did. He had a great dad.

821
00:44:12,965 --> 00:44:18,845
Speaker 2: And you provided not just toys, you provided guidance and teaching,

822
00:44:19,045 --> 00:44:21,245
Speaker 2: and you brought him up in the way of the Lord.

823
00:44:21,285 --> 00:44:25,085
Speaker 2: And he was a very very happy little boy, and

824
00:44:25,205 --> 00:44:30,205
Speaker 2: he loved you, as does our other son, Jonathan. And

825
00:44:30,285 --> 00:44:32,285
Speaker 2: I think that was the one thing that my mom

826
00:44:32,405 --> 00:44:35,364
Speaker 2: saw because they were very concerned, just like in the movie.

827
00:44:35,405 --> 00:44:36,725
Speaker 1: They did not want me to marry you.

828
00:44:37,085 --> 00:44:40,125
Speaker 2: They were very concerned about your background, that you know,

829
00:44:40,165 --> 00:44:42,325
Speaker 2: what kind of a husband, what kind of a father

830
00:44:42,525 --> 00:44:45,805
Speaker 2: were you going to be, having had no great examples

831
00:44:45,845 --> 00:44:49,765
Speaker 2: growing up. And my mom told me that the first

832
00:44:49,765 --> 00:44:54,685
Speaker 2: time she realized that you were different was when Christopher

833
00:44:54,765 --> 00:44:56,924
Speaker 2: was born in the hospital and she watched the way

834
00:44:56,965 --> 00:44:59,805
Speaker 2: you looked at me when I was in labor, and

835
00:44:59,845 --> 00:45:02,005
Speaker 2: how much you loved me, and how much you loved

836
00:45:02,005 --> 00:45:05,245
Speaker 2: that little boy. And so yeah, that was the beginning

837
00:45:05,325 --> 00:45:07,965
Speaker 2: of a huge shift in my mom and they both

838
00:45:08,005 --> 00:45:11,924
Speaker 2: came to absolutely love and appreciate you. And my mom

839
00:45:12,005 --> 00:45:18,325
Speaker 2: said a thousand times to me, I so misjudged Greg. Well,

840
00:45:18,765 --> 00:45:21,765
Speaker 2: well you are a changed person, you know, And you know,

841
00:45:21,845 --> 00:45:26,125
Speaker 2: God can take people out of really rough circumstances. You

842
00:45:26,165 --> 00:45:28,045
Speaker 2: may not have had a great example at home, you

843
00:45:28,085 --> 00:45:31,525
Speaker 2: may not have had a great father, but God is

844
00:45:31,525 --> 00:45:34,285
Speaker 2: a great father, yes, and the scriptures give us a

845
00:45:34,365 --> 00:45:36,765
Speaker 2: lot of guidance, and if we will come with our

846
00:45:36,805 --> 00:45:39,884
Speaker 2: broken lives, he begins to put us back together again

847
00:45:39,925 --> 00:45:40,125
Speaker 2: in the.

848
00:45:40,125 --> 00:45:41,085
Speaker 1: Best possible way.

849
00:45:41,245 --> 00:45:43,805
Speaker 3: I think. If you know, sometimes people will excuse their

850
00:45:43,845 --> 00:45:46,525
Speaker 3: behavior because they say, well that that's the way it

851
00:45:46,605 --> 00:45:49,605
Speaker 3: is in my family, you know, word all this way,

852
00:45:49,725 --> 00:45:53,205
Speaker 3: or alcoholism runs in our family, divorce runs in our family,

853
00:45:53,885 --> 00:45:58,045
Speaker 3: et cetera. Well maybe it does, but you know, well

854
00:45:58,085 --> 00:46:02,005
Speaker 3: it's a generational curse. There's no generational curses, but there

855
00:46:02,005 --> 00:46:05,125
Speaker 3: can be repeated behavior. The Bible says the sins of

856
00:46:05,125 --> 00:46:07,605
Speaker 3: the peer parents can be visited on the children that

857
00:46:07,685 --> 00:46:11,645
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's some nebulous curse on your family. You

858
00:46:11,725 --> 00:46:14,205
Speaker 3: have nothing to say about. What it means is if

859
00:46:14,245 --> 00:46:17,085
Speaker 3: you keep doing the bad things that were done to you, yeah,

860
00:46:17,125 --> 00:46:19,285
Speaker 3: that can be passed on. But the good news is

861
00:46:19,805 --> 00:46:22,725
Speaker 3: righteousness can be passed on. Now, we each have to

862
00:46:22,765 --> 00:46:25,005
Speaker 3: make our own commitment to Christ. But you can pass

863
00:46:25,045 --> 00:46:27,884
Speaker 3: on righteous principles and say, no, this is the way

864
00:46:27,925 --> 00:46:30,405
Speaker 3: we do it in our family now, because if any

865
00:46:30,485 --> 00:46:34,245
Speaker 3: men be in Christ is an altogether different kind of person.

866
00:46:34,845 --> 00:46:37,765
Speaker 3: All things that passed away behold, God says, and make

867
00:46:37,845 --> 00:46:40,325
Speaker 3: everything fresh and news. So you know, I think he

868
00:46:40,405 --> 00:46:43,885
Speaker 3: can break the cycle of absolutely absolutely.

869
00:46:43,965 --> 00:46:46,844
Speaker 2: And I heard it once said that there are three

870
00:46:46,885 --> 00:46:49,645
Speaker 2: things that make us who we are. There's our genetics,

871
00:46:50,165 --> 00:46:55,045
Speaker 2: there's our environment. But this one, very wise doctor A. E.

872
00:46:55,165 --> 00:46:58,325
Speaker 2: Wilder Smith, he said this, and I've never forgotten it.

873
00:46:58,605 --> 00:47:00,805
Speaker 2: There's a third component, and that is the power of

874
00:47:00,805 --> 00:47:03,685
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit that makes us who we are. And

875
00:47:03,725 --> 00:47:07,445
Speaker 2: that you know, he, like you said, in Christ, all

876
00:47:07,525 --> 00:47:10,005
Speaker 2: things pass away and all things become new. You don't

877
00:47:10,045 --> 00:47:13,485
Speaker 2: have to be the person that perhaps your father was,

878
00:47:13,605 --> 00:47:15,925
Speaker 2: or your mother was, or your environment brought you up

879
00:47:15,965 --> 00:47:18,685
Speaker 2: in you know, you can make a break and the

880
00:47:18,725 --> 00:47:20,685
Speaker 2: power of the Holy Spirit is there to help you

881
00:47:20,765 --> 00:47:21,165
Speaker 2: do that.

882
00:47:21,525 --> 00:47:23,165
Speaker 1: You need to just ask, you.

883
00:47:23,085 --> 00:47:25,965
Speaker 2: Know, and then look at the things that the Scripture

884
00:47:26,045 --> 00:47:28,605
Speaker 2: lays out. I mean, God gives us his guide book

885
00:47:28,685 --> 00:47:32,965
Speaker 2: for living. He didn't leave us without instructions. And you know,

886
00:47:33,045 --> 00:47:35,325
Speaker 2: we all, Oh, I can't read the Bible. It's too complicated.

887
00:47:35,365 --> 00:47:38,365
Speaker 2: Let me tell you. Okay, fine. There may be passages

888
00:47:38,405 --> 00:47:41,325
Speaker 2: and portions of the Scripture that are difficult to understand,

889
00:47:41,405 --> 00:47:44,565
Speaker 2: especially when you get to apocalyptic literature. Maybe leave that

890
00:47:44,605 --> 00:47:46,685
Speaker 2: for when you get a little more mature in the Lord.

891
00:47:46,685 --> 00:47:50,165
Speaker 2: But there is so much there that is on the

892
00:47:50,245 --> 00:47:54,125
Speaker 2: surface that is clear and understandable that you can take

893
00:47:54,165 --> 00:47:58,125
Speaker 2: and build your life and your family, your marriage, all

894
00:47:58,165 --> 00:48:01,005
Speaker 2: of these things, all of society and culture would benefit

895
00:48:01,525 --> 00:48:04,565
Speaker 2: if people would read their Bibles and apply the things

896
00:48:04,605 --> 00:48:05,844
Speaker 2: that God tells us to do.

897
00:48:05,885 --> 00:48:08,765
Speaker 3: With them, right, I think, you know, like it's sort

898
00:48:08,805 --> 00:48:11,485
Speaker 3: of like at first you build the walls of your marriage,

899
00:48:11,525 --> 00:48:15,245
Speaker 3: and that builds the walls of the culture and ultimately

900
00:48:15,325 --> 00:48:17,805
Speaker 3: the nation. Are you can almost trace every problem in

901
00:48:17,845 --> 00:48:21,525
Speaker 3: America today to the breakdown of the family and specifically

902
00:48:22,085 --> 00:48:25,925
Speaker 3: the absence of fathers. Let's talk for a moment about

903
00:48:26,325 --> 00:48:32,605
Speaker 3: masculinity and femininity, and since you're a woman, tell us

904
00:48:32,925 --> 00:48:38,325
Speaker 3: what femininity is and what a girl should aspire to

905
00:48:39,085 --> 00:48:42,925
Speaker 3: because they're getting a lot of false information fed to them,

906
00:48:43,285 --> 00:48:46,645
Speaker 3: you know, And so what is the model they should

907
00:48:46,725 --> 00:48:47,365
Speaker 3: aspire to?

908
00:48:48,165 --> 00:48:50,205
Speaker 1: Well, again, I go right back to the scripture.

909
00:48:50,805 --> 00:48:53,205
Speaker 2: I mean, what I think and what my opinions are,

910
00:48:53,245 --> 00:48:57,205
Speaker 2: and my experiences may have some value or may have

911
00:48:57,245 --> 00:49:01,205
Speaker 2: no value. What I found to be absolute bedrock truth

912
00:49:01,805 --> 00:49:05,365
Speaker 2: that I have proven and tested in my own life

913
00:49:05,725 --> 00:49:08,925
Speaker 2: is that what God's instructions are for women and his

914
00:49:09,165 --> 00:49:12,685
Speaker 2: definition of what is a woman. Going all the way

915
00:49:12,725 --> 00:49:16,965
Speaker 2: back to the book of Genesis, we see how woman

916
00:49:17,165 --> 00:49:21,165
Speaker 2: was created in a different way than men were. Adam

917
00:49:21,285 --> 00:49:23,565
Speaker 2: was created out of the dust of the ground. He

918
00:49:23,805 --> 00:49:27,245
Speaker 2: was created out of the field. God formed him and

919
00:49:28,405 --> 00:49:30,485
Speaker 2: breathed into him and gave him the breath of life.

920
00:49:30,485 --> 00:49:35,685
Speaker 2: And through that whole creation narrative in Genesis, we see

921
00:49:36,045 --> 00:49:40,405
Speaker 2: that Adam was alone. Everyone else, every other creature that

922
00:49:40,445 --> 00:49:43,765
Speaker 2: God made had a partner and a counterpart. And Adam

923
00:49:43,845 --> 00:49:46,405
Speaker 2: was alone. And God said, it is not good that

924
00:49:46,525 --> 00:49:50,285
Speaker 2: man should be alone. So he put Adam to sleep

925
00:49:50,285 --> 00:49:54,765
Speaker 2: for a minute, and he created Eve out of his rib,

926
00:49:55,525 --> 00:50:00,525
Speaker 2: out of his side. So men are different. They are

927
00:50:00,565 --> 00:50:05,805
Speaker 2: created from dirt, from dust. Look at a boy, get

928
00:50:05,845 --> 00:50:09,645
Speaker 2: most boys and you will see this is there's a

929
00:50:09,765 --> 00:50:13,765
Speaker 2: roughnesses round as they were created in a different way.

930
00:50:14,445 --> 00:50:17,685
Speaker 2: Eve was created within the confines of the garden. She

931
00:50:17,845 --> 00:50:21,844
Speaker 2: was created from his side. She is there as a

932
00:50:22,285 --> 00:50:24,565
Speaker 2: part of who he is. And God was the one

933
00:50:24,605 --> 00:50:26,485
Speaker 2: who brought the woman to the man.

934
00:50:26,685 --> 00:50:27,205
Speaker 3: Okay, so.

935
00:50:29,005 --> 00:50:33,805
Speaker 2: First of all, were different, male and female different.

936
00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:36,645
Speaker 1: So this whole idea will not interchange.

937
00:50:36,805 --> 00:50:39,485
Speaker 3: I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, vice versa.

938
00:50:39,605 --> 00:50:42,285
Speaker 3: I'm going to go have this surgery and I'm going

939
00:50:42,325 --> 00:50:45,605
Speaker 3: to become a woman. A man says, or or the

940
00:50:45,645 --> 00:50:48,844
Speaker 3: woman says, I'm going to become a man. This is

941
00:50:49,005 --> 00:50:52,245
Speaker 3: just such just I mean, even where we're having the

942
00:50:52,365 --> 00:50:55,605
Speaker 3: discussion about what a woman is what a man is,

943
00:50:55,845 --> 00:50:57,365
Speaker 3: it's so obvious.

944
00:50:56,965 --> 00:51:01,685
Speaker 2: And they're introducing that it is what you want it

945
00:51:01,725 --> 00:51:05,605
Speaker 2: to be, that you can define that all the way

946
00:51:05,645 --> 00:51:11,565
Speaker 2: in kindergarten, these children are being introduced this idea. And

947
00:51:11,645 --> 00:51:13,685
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Greg, but there were many

948
00:51:13,725 --> 00:51:18,685
Speaker 2: times as an adolescent girl that I felt like this

949
00:51:18,885 --> 00:51:22,045
Speaker 2: is so bizarre. I don't like, what's happening to me?

950
00:51:22,205 --> 00:51:25,285
Speaker 2: I don't like this, especially for a female. I mean,

951
00:51:26,085 --> 00:51:29,045
Speaker 2: boys that go through puberty, they come out on the

952
00:51:29,085 --> 00:51:32,485
Speaker 2: other side and it's a pretty steady line after that.

953
00:51:32,885 --> 00:51:33,365
Speaker 1: Girls.

954
00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:38,125
Speaker 2: Again, our bodies are so different than yours. We are

955
00:51:38,125 --> 00:51:41,285
Speaker 2: so much more complex, I like to think of it.

956
00:51:41,405 --> 00:51:42,965
Speaker 1: We are more finely tuned.

957
00:51:45,045 --> 00:51:48,565
Speaker 2: We go through a lot and during that period of adolescence,

958
00:51:48,605 --> 00:51:52,365
Speaker 2: I mean that is, your emotions and your thoughts can

959
00:51:52,405 --> 00:51:56,645
Speaker 2: be so scrambled, and to introduce to a child that

960
00:51:56,805 --> 00:52:01,085
Speaker 2: those feelings should be trusted, that you could take surgical

961
00:52:01,125 --> 00:52:04,045
Speaker 2: action based on what you might feeling, and you know,

962
00:52:04,565 --> 00:52:07,045
Speaker 2: you just want to say to parents and to kids,

963
00:52:08,245 --> 00:52:10,605
Speaker 2: that is not going to help you if you and

964
00:52:11,125 --> 00:52:14,965
Speaker 2: the science is proving it. And the outcome of these

965
00:52:15,085 --> 00:52:18,565
Speaker 2: kids that have gone through these surgical transitions, they are

966
00:52:19,285 --> 00:52:20,285
Speaker 2: just as suicidal.

967
00:52:20,285 --> 00:52:24,205
Speaker 3: I feel sometimes this is the parents. The parents. I

968
00:52:24,245 --> 00:52:27,405
Speaker 3: don't know why they would do this, but it's interesting

969
00:52:27,445 --> 00:52:30,245
Speaker 3: when you look in Hollywood and see how many children

970
00:52:30,805 --> 00:52:35,565
Speaker 3: of celebrities are identifying as trans Why such a high percentage,

971
00:52:36,045 --> 00:52:38,485
Speaker 3: And I think one of the reasons is it's almost

972
00:52:38,525 --> 00:52:41,325
Speaker 3: a form of virtue sigling. Look at how open I are.

973
00:52:41,645 --> 00:52:44,965
Speaker 3: I am, you know how liberated I am that. Oh

974
00:52:45,325 --> 00:52:47,285
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna you know, I'm gonna let my boy

975
00:52:47,405 --> 00:52:50,165
Speaker 3: dress up like a girl or vice versa, maybe even

976
00:52:50,245 --> 00:52:55,245
Speaker 3: encourage that, and then to actually have a parent, you know, okay,

977
00:52:55,525 --> 00:52:59,725
Speaker 3: and go along with a surgery, a life altering surgery.

978
00:52:59,765 --> 00:53:03,405
Speaker 3: We watched it documentary the other day which showed what

979
00:53:03,645 --> 00:53:06,965
Speaker 3: happens when they do the surgery, and I before like.

980
00:53:06,885 --> 00:53:07,645
Speaker 1: A horror show.

981
00:53:07,765 --> 00:53:12,125
Speaker 3: It was horrifying, and you'd think to mutilate a child

982
00:53:12,165 --> 00:53:14,325
Speaker 3: who doesn't know any better, who's looking to the parent

983
00:53:14,405 --> 00:53:17,885
Speaker 3: to guide them, that these difficult rough waters abouto lessons

984
00:53:18,205 --> 00:53:21,285
Speaker 3: and then they have this permanent surgery and then deliver

985
00:53:21,325 --> 00:53:23,805
Speaker 3: with that the rest of their lives. It's to me,

986
00:53:23,965 --> 00:53:27,245
Speaker 3: these parents, how irresponsible even evil it is?

987
00:53:27,645 --> 00:53:30,765
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the I think that's the word evil,

988
00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:35,925
Speaker 2: because I mean, when you really stop and look at

989
00:53:35,965 --> 00:53:39,005
Speaker 2: these things that are going on that have never gone

990
00:53:39,005 --> 00:53:40,685
Speaker 2: on at any other time.

991
00:53:40,645 --> 00:53:42,445
Speaker 3: A phenomena, a recent phenomena.

992
00:53:42,605 --> 00:53:45,605
Speaker 2: All I can think of is what what we are

993
00:53:45,605 --> 00:53:49,605
Speaker 2: told in scripture, and that in the last days there

994
00:53:49,605 --> 00:53:54,485
Speaker 2: would be satanically energized times, there will be phenomena that

995
00:53:54,565 --> 00:53:59,125
Speaker 2: we've never seen before, and deceptions and delusions that are

996
00:53:59,205 --> 00:54:03,285
Speaker 2: being spread. You know, we're told that the devil comes

997
00:54:03,365 --> 00:54:05,405
Speaker 2: to he lies.

998
00:54:05,605 --> 00:54:07,805
Speaker 1: He steals, he kills, he destroys.

999
00:54:08,365 --> 00:54:12,805
Speaker 2: And what better way to destroy God's beautiful creation and

1000
00:54:12,925 --> 00:54:16,645
Speaker 2: plan of redemption for mankind than to begin to introduce

1001
00:54:16,725 --> 00:54:20,805
Speaker 2: the lie that that we can decide for ourselves. Just

1002
00:54:20,845 --> 00:54:24,005
Speaker 2: like Eve was tempted in the garden, you will be

1003
00:54:24,085 --> 00:54:27,525
Speaker 2: as God's knowing, making your own definitions of good and evil.

1004
00:54:27,885 --> 00:54:30,045
Speaker 2: But Greg, I mean, so many of these things that

1005
00:54:30,125 --> 00:54:35,325
Speaker 2: are happening that are just absolutely unheard of in history.

1006
00:54:35,485 --> 00:54:37,645
Speaker 2: Don't you think that we are living truly in the

1007
00:54:37,725 --> 00:54:42,325
Speaker 2: last days? And these kids and even you know how

1008
00:54:43,005 --> 00:54:48,005
Speaker 2: how these the confusion and the message is being propagated

1009
00:54:48,445 --> 00:54:54,885
Speaker 2: on our phones on self contagion, but they the depression

1010
00:54:54,965 --> 00:54:58,885
Speaker 2: among young girls that are on social media too much

1011
00:54:59,005 --> 00:55:01,845
Speaker 2: or looking at you know, all this stuff that goes on,

1012
00:55:02,565 --> 00:55:06,725
Speaker 2: all the bullying that goes on the side rate among

1013
00:55:06,805 --> 00:55:08,965
Speaker 2: young people is unbelievable.

1014
00:55:09,045 --> 00:55:12,045
Speaker 3: And I was so excited when the first iPhone came out,

1015
00:55:13,045 --> 00:55:14,685
Speaker 3: But boy, I tell you now, when I look at

1016
00:55:14,925 --> 00:55:17,125
Speaker 3: what it's a portal.

1017
00:55:16,845 --> 00:55:20,045
Speaker 1: To so many things, it is truly Pandora's Box.

1018
00:55:20,085 --> 00:55:22,565
Speaker 3: If there would be a way to raise a teenager

1019
00:55:22,725 --> 00:55:24,805
Speaker 3: without a cell phone, it could be a game changer.

1020
00:55:24,965 --> 00:55:27,325
Speaker 2: I think it was Steve Jobs who didn't even allow

1021
00:55:27,405 --> 00:55:29,925
Speaker 2: his children to have cell phones.

1022
00:55:30,125 --> 00:55:33,005
Speaker 3: Yeah, makes sense. Okay, so let's put a bow on it. Okay,

1023
00:55:33,005 --> 00:55:37,125
Speaker 3: we're talking about women, we're talking about femininity, and you're

1024
00:55:37,125 --> 00:55:39,725
Speaker 3: talking about the unique way that women were created in

1025
00:55:39,805 --> 00:55:43,325
Speaker 3: contrast to men, who you described as being created out

1026
00:55:43,325 --> 00:55:48,685
Speaker 3: of dirt and they like to play in dirt. Now,

1027
00:55:49,245 --> 00:55:53,165
Speaker 3: so a young girl's listening to this right now, and

1028
00:55:53,245 --> 00:55:57,485
Speaker 3: she's getting all this information from everything from TikTok to

1029
00:55:57,685 --> 00:56:01,045
Speaker 3: teen Vogue to this to that to her peers, and

1030
00:56:01,725 --> 00:56:04,885
Speaker 3: most of it false information, like you need to be

1031
00:56:05,045 --> 00:56:08,364
Speaker 3: highly sexualized to be appealing to a guy. And then

1032
00:56:08,405 --> 00:56:13,685
Speaker 3: you have platforms like only Fans where girls are monetizing, uh,

1033
00:56:13,965 --> 00:56:19,005
Speaker 3: the their bodies and being exploited so often. And so

1034
00:56:19,325 --> 00:56:23,884
Speaker 3: let's give them a good biblical girls, this is what

1035
00:56:23,925 --> 00:56:27,885
Speaker 3: you should aspire to tell them, Kathy Lourie, because you

1036
00:56:27,925 --> 00:56:28,725
Speaker 3: are that person.

1037
00:56:28,885 --> 00:56:32,444
Speaker 2: Well, it's really amazing how the scriptures say the older

1038
00:56:32,485 --> 00:56:35,485
Speaker 2: women are to teach the older women to be chased,

1039
00:56:35,525 --> 00:56:38,285
Speaker 2: to be modest, to be keepers at home, to love

1040
00:56:38,325 --> 00:56:39,485
Speaker 2: their husbands.

1041
00:56:39,165 --> 00:56:40,405
Speaker 1: Chase their children.

1042
00:56:40,445 --> 00:56:41,285
Speaker 3: What does chase mean?

1043
00:56:41,925 --> 00:56:46,605
Speaker 2: Chase means not chased as someone's chasing you, chased as

1044
00:56:47,445 --> 00:56:49,005
Speaker 2: in living.

1045
00:56:48,685 --> 00:56:51,965
Speaker 1: A life that is morally upright, that goes in alignment.

1046
00:56:52,045 --> 00:56:53,325
Speaker 3: And those morals come from.

1047
00:56:53,165 --> 00:56:55,405
Speaker 1: Where the scripture obviously.

1048
00:56:55,125 --> 00:56:57,965
Speaker 3: Okay, when the Bible uses the word modest, does that

1049
00:56:58,005 --> 00:57:00,885
Speaker 3: mean okay, young girls who wants to be fashionable? All

1050
00:57:00,925 --> 00:57:04,525
Speaker 3: the girls that wear in this certain outfit? Uh can she?

1051
00:57:04,725 --> 00:57:07,485
Speaker 3: Does she have to be? Oh? I can't wear anything fashionable,

1052
00:57:07,485 --> 00:57:09,725
Speaker 3: like just sackcloth and ashes. That's a look. Now.

1053
00:57:10,685 --> 00:57:14,165
Speaker 2: I think it's understanding too, how men's minds work. That

1054
00:57:14,285 --> 00:57:17,685
Speaker 2: men are it does we come from dirty? It's what

1055
00:57:17,725 --> 00:57:21,805
Speaker 2: they see with their eyes that can actually cause them

1056
00:57:21,845 --> 00:57:25,045
Speaker 2: to be tempted to stand. Now, some guys, their minds

1057
00:57:25,085 --> 00:57:26,845
Speaker 2: are in the gutter, and there's nothing you're going to

1058
00:57:26,885 --> 00:57:27,565
Speaker 2: be able to do to.

1059
00:57:27,485 --> 00:57:29,565
Speaker 3: Fix with lust after a tree.

1060
00:57:29,645 --> 00:57:31,205
Speaker 2: But the last thing in the world you want to

1061
00:57:31,245 --> 00:57:34,485
Speaker 2: do is to be a stumbling block or cause some

1062
00:57:34,605 --> 00:57:35,365
Speaker 2: young man to.

1063
00:57:35,405 --> 00:57:35,965
Speaker 1: Lust after you.

1064
00:57:36,125 --> 00:57:41,765
Speaker 2: So dressing modestly and obviously culturally these things have shifted.

1065
00:57:41,805 --> 00:57:44,845
Speaker 2: Once upon a time a woman would never show their ankles.

1066
00:57:45,285 --> 00:57:47,885
Speaker 2: You know, so we know that there are some cultural

1067
00:57:47,925 --> 00:57:50,285
Speaker 2: adjustments that can be made. But I think we all

1068
00:57:50,325 --> 00:57:53,205
Speaker 2: know what is sort of the middle ground, the safe

1069
00:57:53,325 --> 00:57:56,125
Speaker 2: ground that we are to occupy as women in society,

1070
00:57:56,165 --> 00:57:59,285
Speaker 2: and that is to not put our bodies on display

1071
00:57:59,365 --> 00:58:02,285
Speaker 2: to cause people to tempt them to sand to be

1072
00:58:02,325 --> 00:58:05,165
Speaker 2: attractive is fine, you know, I mean we do want

1073
00:58:05,525 --> 00:58:07,125
Speaker 2: people have to look at the outside of you.

1074
00:58:07,245 --> 00:58:09,685
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's kind of take the opposite end of that now, okay,

1075
00:58:09,725 --> 00:58:13,005
Speaker 3: Because when you look at the virtuous woman the problem

1076
00:58:13,085 --> 00:58:17,125
Speaker 3: thirty one, you know, she's an entrepreneur, she buys a field.

1077
00:58:17,965 --> 00:58:22,285
Speaker 3: You know, she's a physically active woman. Because there might

1078
00:58:22,325 --> 00:58:25,085
Speaker 3: be some girls that would say, well, you know what,

1079
00:58:25,125 --> 00:58:29,525
Speaker 3: that's worldly to be attractive, and bodily exercise doesn't profit

1080
00:58:29,765 --> 00:58:33,245
Speaker 3: that much, the Bible says, and so they don't do

1081
00:58:33,365 --> 00:58:36,845
Speaker 3: anything to make themselves attractive. And sometimes this might happen

1082
00:58:36,885 --> 00:58:39,605
Speaker 3: after a marriage. And that's an extreme.

1083
00:58:39,205 --> 00:58:42,085
Speaker 1: Too, isn't it. Absolutely?

1084
00:58:42,165 --> 00:58:44,605
Speaker 2: And you know, just because you're married doesn't mean that

1085
00:58:44,685 --> 00:58:47,605
Speaker 2: you don't want to be attractive for your husband. You know,

1086
00:58:47,685 --> 00:58:50,045
Speaker 2: you want to do the best that you can with

1087
00:58:50,085 --> 00:58:52,285
Speaker 2: what you've got, you know, make the best of it.

1088
00:58:52,445 --> 00:58:55,445
Speaker 2: So there's a balance to all of these things. And

1089
00:58:55,485 --> 00:59:00,045
Speaker 2: the balance is often found in scripture, but also in

1090
00:59:00,205 --> 00:59:05,165
Speaker 2: real life modeling of that. And that's why within the

1091
00:59:05,245 --> 00:59:09,205
Speaker 2: church church and within our church, we have systems in

1092
00:59:09,285 --> 00:59:14,165
Speaker 2: place and connections in place between older women and younger

1093
00:59:14,205 --> 00:59:16,685
Speaker 2: women to help teach them and train them and to

1094
00:59:16,765 --> 00:59:19,125
Speaker 2: guide them through these things. Because you know, when you're young,

1095
00:59:19,205 --> 00:59:22,405
Speaker 2: you don't know, and neither do your friends. You know,

1096
00:59:22,485 --> 00:59:25,365
Speaker 2: you're all in the same boat together. So find somebody

1097
00:59:25,405 --> 00:59:27,765
Speaker 2: who's a little further down the road than you are

1098
00:59:28,245 --> 00:59:31,285
Speaker 2: and is living the life that you think is admirable

1099
00:59:31,765 --> 00:59:34,885
Speaker 2: and that is leading to a fulfilled and happy life,

1100
00:59:35,485 --> 00:59:40,645
Speaker 2: and find that person and pattern yourself after that. You know,

1101
00:59:40,845 --> 00:59:44,925
Speaker 2: just find find that place and learn to understand that

1102
00:59:45,725 --> 00:59:49,165
Speaker 2: God's plans for us are so much better than our

1103
00:59:49,205 --> 00:59:54,045
Speaker 2: plans for ourselves. If if God says don't do something,

1104
00:59:54,525 --> 00:59:55,845
Speaker 2: it's for our own good.

1105
00:59:55,765 --> 00:59:59,085
Speaker 3: No good thing, We'll he withhold from those that walk uprightly.

1106
00:59:59,165 --> 01:00:02,165
Speaker 3: So if God says no, that's not a good thing,

1107
01:00:02,325 --> 01:00:04,125
Speaker 3: So it's good that he said no.

1108
01:00:04,965 --> 01:00:09,645
Speaker 2: Those and walls of protection are important, that's right, And

1109
01:00:09,725 --> 01:00:12,765
Speaker 2: so for women to know what those things are, what

1110
01:00:12,885 --> 01:00:17,325
Speaker 2: God values most meek and quiet spirit that you know,

1111
01:00:17,405 --> 01:00:21,725
Speaker 2: that heart that is devoted to him and loves and

1112
01:00:21,845 --> 01:00:25,765
Speaker 2: serves is such a beautiful thing and.

1113
01:00:27,405 --> 01:00:29,885
Speaker 1: The most important thing to realize.

1114
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Speaker 2: And the one thing I would like to say to

1115
01:00:31,485 --> 01:00:34,405
Speaker 2: young girls now is when you're looking for that the

1116
01:00:34,485 --> 01:00:36,925
Speaker 2: right guy, you know you're never going to find the

1117
01:00:36,925 --> 01:00:40,805
Speaker 2: perfect guy. Find a godly man and don't think he's

1118
01:00:40,845 --> 01:00:43,205
Speaker 2: ever going to be perfect. You're never going to be

1119
01:00:43,245 --> 01:00:46,805
Speaker 2: perfect either, But find a godly man who's following after

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Speaker 2: the Lord.

1121
01:00:47,285 --> 01:00:50,085
Speaker 1: And then don't delay.

1122
01:00:50,605 --> 01:00:54,365
Speaker 2: Getting married because you need to finish your college education,

1123
01:00:54,565 --> 01:00:57,365
Speaker 2: or you want to have the big career, be in

1124
01:00:57,405 --> 01:00:59,405
Speaker 2: the corporate world, or whatever you want to do.

1125
01:00:59,405 --> 01:01:01,605
Speaker 1: Don't put that off. I think one of the.

1126
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Speaker 2: Biggest lies that the feminist movement sold to my generation

1127
01:01:06,805 --> 01:01:10,085
Speaker 2: was that put off having children, put off marrying, get

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01:01:10,125 --> 01:01:13,605
Speaker 2: your career, get your education first, and then have that

1129
01:01:13,685 --> 01:01:17,165
Speaker 2: come later. But unfortunately, what they aren't telling you is

1130
01:01:17,725 --> 01:01:20,725
Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is your body is designed

1131
01:01:20,765 --> 01:01:25,165
Speaker 2: to reproduce and have children ideally between the ages of

1132
01:01:25,325 --> 01:01:29,165
Speaker 2: you know, twenty to maybe mid thirties, and then after

1133
01:01:29,205 --> 01:01:32,285
Speaker 2: that you become what they call a geriatric pregnancy with

1134
01:01:32,445 --> 01:01:35,125
Speaker 2: higher risks. So if you're thinking well, I'll just put

1135
01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:37,765
Speaker 2: this off. Well, who knows how much longer you're going

1136
01:01:37,845 --> 01:01:41,565
Speaker 2: to wait in order to have children. And we are

1137
01:01:41,645 --> 01:01:44,725
Speaker 2: seeing a decline in population in this country, a decline

1138
01:01:44,725 --> 01:01:48,685
Speaker 2: in population in the West in particular. And you know what,

1139
01:01:48,885 --> 01:01:50,645
Speaker 2: there isn't going to be much of a world to

1140
01:01:50,725 --> 01:01:56,005
Speaker 2: live in if we stop having marriages and stop having children.

1141
01:01:56,725 --> 01:01:59,085
Speaker 1: This is going to all fall apart pretty fast.

1142
01:01:59,125 --> 01:02:01,965
Speaker 2: And is that not also again part of the big

1143
01:02:01,965 --> 01:02:05,205
Speaker 2: agenda that the enemy of our souls would like to perpetrate,

1144
01:02:05,685 --> 01:02:10,045
Speaker 2: the lies that he would like to to propagate, especially

1145
01:02:10,045 --> 01:02:12,845
Speaker 2: on young women and young men. And I think when

1146
01:02:12,885 --> 01:02:18,245
Speaker 2: women begin to live as women ought to live, respecting

1147
01:02:18,285 --> 01:02:21,925
Speaker 2: and allowing men to be men and to lead as men,

1148
01:02:22,805 --> 01:02:25,805
Speaker 2: then we're going to start seeing guys be who they

1149
01:02:25,885 --> 01:02:28,885
Speaker 2: are designed to be and stepping out. But as long

1150
01:02:28,925 --> 01:02:32,165
Speaker 2: as we're standing over them, I'm smarter than you are.

1151
01:02:32,565 --> 01:02:34,685
Speaker 2: I can do the job better than you can putting

1152
01:02:34,765 --> 01:02:37,765
Speaker 2: them down, critiquing them. You know what is that doing

1153
01:02:37,805 --> 01:02:41,365
Speaker 2: but emasculating what it is that God has created men

1154
01:02:41,445 --> 01:02:43,925
Speaker 2: to be. And young boys need to cure this from

1155
01:02:43,965 --> 01:02:46,445
Speaker 2: their mothers and from their father to be in courage

1156
01:02:46,485 --> 01:02:46,965
Speaker 2: to be men.

1157
01:02:47,885 --> 01:02:48,405
Speaker 1: To go out.

1158
01:02:48,445 --> 01:02:51,365
Speaker 2: I mean when they boys want it, why do they

1159
01:02:51,365 --> 01:02:53,365
Speaker 2: fight with each other, Why do they get so physical?

1160
01:02:53,405 --> 01:02:53,685
Speaker 1: Why?

1161
01:02:54,085 --> 01:02:57,845
Speaker 2: Because ultimately God wants boys to be able to protect

1162
01:02:58,685 --> 01:03:02,845
Speaker 2: a home, to protect a family, to build and use

1163
01:03:02,925 --> 01:03:05,045
Speaker 2: those skills in the right way. Now, we're not supposed

1164
01:03:05,045 --> 01:03:07,245
Speaker 2: to them to go out and be bullies and beat

1165
01:03:07,365 --> 01:03:09,605
Speaker 2: up on each other for no reason. But you know,

1166
01:03:09,685 --> 01:03:12,285
Speaker 2: when they see injustice, if they want to step up

1167
01:03:12,325 --> 01:03:14,285
Speaker 2: and say, no, this is wrong, I'm going to do

1168
01:03:14,365 --> 01:03:14,965
Speaker 2: something about it.

1169
01:03:15,005 --> 01:03:15,925
Speaker 1: We should encourage that.

1170
01:03:16,045 --> 01:03:19,605
Speaker 2: Be a man and do those manly things, and women

1171
01:03:20,165 --> 01:03:23,125
Speaker 2: do the womanly things, do the right things, and let

1172
01:03:23,965 --> 01:03:27,965
Speaker 2: society and marriages and families be put together the way

1173
01:03:28,005 --> 01:03:28,685
Speaker 2: God designed.

1174
01:03:29,365 --> 01:03:30,765
Speaker 1: Just look at our bodies.

1175
01:03:30,845 --> 01:03:34,525
Speaker 2: For crying out loud, women, you are not stronger than

1176
01:03:34,525 --> 01:03:38,845
Speaker 2: a guy. He has designed men to be the ones

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01:03:38,885 --> 01:03:41,485
Speaker 2: who go out and fight and protect and provide, go

1178
01:03:41,565 --> 01:03:44,165
Speaker 2: out into the world, have their life in.

1179
01:03:44,085 --> 01:03:45,165
Speaker 1: The field, so to speak.

1180
01:03:45,245 --> 01:03:48,165
Speaker 2: You live your life in the beauty of a home

1181
01:03:48,205 --> 01:03:51,365
Speaker 2: and in the confines of the creating. To me, the

1182
01:03:52,005 --> 01:03:55,525
Speaker 2: love I love the aspect of seeing a woman who

1183
01:03:56,805 --> 01:04:02,485
Speaker 2: who makes and cherishes family, builds traditions.

1184
01:04:03,125 --> 01:04:05,325
Speaker 1: She's the one who plans.

1185
01:04:04,925 --> 01:04:09,965
Speaker 2: The birthday parties, the celebrations remembers everybody's you know, anniversaries,

1186
01:04:10,045 --> 01:04:13,085
Speaker 2: and that's you know that those are gifts that God

1187
01:04:13,125 --> 01:04:16,245
Speaker 2: has given women and all of us benefit as a

1188
01:04:16,285 --> 01:04:16,885
Speaker 2: result of it.

1189
01:04:17,045 --> 01:04:18,365
Speaker 3: You should write a book about this.

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01:04:18,765 --> 01:04:20,285
Speaker 1: I think I've said everything I want to say.

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01:04:20,365 --> 01:04:22,765
Speaker 3: No, that sounds to me like a book outline.

1192
01:04:22,685 --> 01:04:26,685
Speaker 2: What are the practical things that ay as your wife

1193
01:04:27,525 --> 01:04:33,245
Speaker 2: can do that make you feel loved and respected and

1194
01:04:35,445 --> 01:04:40,125
Speaker 2: like you're the most important, well human person in my life.

1195
01:04:40,765 --> 01:04:44,965
Speaker 3: You know. There's a scene from Fiddler on the Roof

1196
01:04:45,885 --> 01:04:48,245
Speaker 3: or Tea and I think his wife was Golden having

1197
01:04:48,245 --> 01:04:53,245
Speaker 3: a discussion. Yeah, and there's that song do you love Me?

1198
01:04:53,565 --> 01:04:56,325
Speaker 3: You know, and he's talking about how much he loves.

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01:04:56,085 --> 01:04:58,165
Speaker 1: And she says, do I love you?

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01:04:58,445 --> 01:04:58,565
Speaker 5: Yea?

1201
01:04:59,365 --> 01:05:02,365
Speaker 2: For thirty one years, I've cooked your food, I've cleaned

1202
01:05:02,365 --> 01:05:04,045
Speaker 2: your clothes, I've kept your ouse.

1203
01:05:04,245 --> 01:05:08,005
Speaker 3: That's right, you say, do I love you? Exactly? And

1204
01:05:08,085 --> 01:05:10,845
Speaker 3: so I think that's a really good point. And the

1205
01:05:10,885 --> 01:05:13,765
Speaker 3: point of it is is that there's things that we

1206
01:05:13,925 --> 01:05:17,085
Speaker 3: say and there's things that we do. And I know

1207
01:05:17,165 --> 01:05:19,925
Speaker 3: that you love me because of all that you do

1208
01:05:20,165 --> 01:05:23,605
Speaker 3: for me every day, and I'm dependent on you like

1209
01:05:23,685 --> 01:05:26,005
Speaker 3: if you didn't feed me, I would just starve. I

1210
01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:28,605
Speaker 3: would just sit and starve. I'd probably go and buy

1211
01:05:28,605 --> 01:05:32,685
Speaker 3: some food somewhere. I would I like Taco bell, Oh

1212
01:05:34,005 --> 01:05:37,325
Speaker 3: it's really good, but there's too many things on the

1213
01:05:37,365 --> 01:05:40,645
Speaker 3: menu now and it's too complicated. But I go always

1214
01:05:40,685 --> 01:05:45,445
Speaker 3: to fall back, Oh, being brito in Toco. But they

1215
01:05:45,485 --> 01:05:48,485
Speaker 3: have all these things, new things. No, but I think

1216
01:05:48,525 --> 01:05:51,605
Speaker 3: it's just doing those things. And like I said earlier,

1217
01:05:51,765 --> 01:05:54,325
Speaker 3: I don't think guys need a lot, but they need some.

1218
01:05:55,285 --> 01:05:58,165
Speaker 3: And it's easy, I think, to take a guy for granted.

1219
01:05:58,245 --> 01:06:01,125
Speaker 3: So just to say periodically, thank you for what you do,

1220
01:06:01,245 --> 01:06:05,285
Speaker 3: thank you for for being the man, you know, because

1221
01:06:05,325 --> 01:06:09,165
Speaker 3: you want to be encouraged to be a man. And look,

1222
01:06:09,245 --> 01:06:11,605
Speaker 3: I heard, you know about a conversation with a man

1223
01:06:11,605 --> 01:06:15,885
Speaker 3: and a woman how we think differently. And the woman says,

1224
01:06:16,845 --> 01:06:19,405
Speaker 3: why don't you stop and ask for directions when they

1225
01:06:19,405 --> 01:06:21,565
Speaker 3: get lost? And the man hears her say, you're not

1226
01:06:21,685 --> 01:06:25,085
Speaker 3: a man, you know. And then the woman says, let's

1227
01:06:25,285 --> 01:06:28,485
Speaker 3: spend a lot of money, or let's redecorate the house,

1228
01:06:28,565 --> 01:06:30,925
Speaker 3: and he hears her say, let's take a bunch of

1229
01:06:30,965 --> 01:06:33,245
Speaker 3: money and plush it down the toilet or she says,

1230
01:06:34,765 --> 01:06:37,045
Speaker 3: you need to get more in touch with your feelings,

1231
01:06:37,245 --> 01:06:40,285
Speaker 3: and then he hears her say blah blah blah blah blah.

1232
01:06:40,325 --> 01:06:42,805
Speaker 3: And then she says, are you listening to what I'm saying?

1233
01:06:42,885 --> 01:06:45,125
Speaker 3: And he hears her say blah blah blah. So we

1234
01:06:45,165 --> 01:06:47,845
Speaker 3: communicate differently, but I do think that you know, we

1235
01:06:48,005 --> 01:06:52,005
Speaker 3: just need to be affirmed again. Wise, respect your husband,

1236
01:06:52,725 --> 01:06:55,325
Speaker 3: and so I think the very fact that you asked

1237
01:06:55,325 --> 01:06:59,005
Speaker 3: me talk about my weaknesses, no, I would not do that.

1238
01:06:59,045 --> 01:07:02,645
Speaker 3: And here's why, because I'm there to protect you, and

1239
01:07:02,725 --> 01:07:05,405
Speaker 3: if I see a weakness in you, I will tell

1240
01:07:05,405 --> 01:07:07,485
Speaker 3: you you that personally, but I will not say that

1241
01:07:07,525 --> 01:07:11,845
Speaker 3: publicly to anybody because I protect you. You know you're

1242
01:07:11,925 --> 01:07:15,365
Speaker 3: under my protection, and I will only speak of you

1243
01:07:16,005 --> 01:07:18,925
Speaker 3: in a positive way because that's loving as Christ loves

1244
01:07:18,965 --> 01:07:21,845
Speaker 3: the church. And that's why I think when we have conflicts,

1245
01:07:23,085 --> 01:07:25,165
Speaker 3: you know, you should never do it in front of people,

1246
01:07:25,325 --> 01:07:27,405
Speaker 3: Never in front of the kids. The worst thing you

1247
01:07:27,445 --> 01:07:30,885
Speaker 3: can do is argue in front of your children, and

1248
01:07:30,965 --> 01:07:33,885
Speaker 3: even worse than that is ask them to take sites

1249
01:07:33,885 --> 01:07:36,205
Speaker 3: Who's right? Mom or dad? Don't do that to a

1250
01:07:36,245 --> 01:07:40,365
Speaker 3: poor child. But so work out your differences and you're

1251
01:07:40,365 --> 01:07:44,085
Speaker 3: going to have differences, and that's okay. There's nothing wrong

1252
01:07:44,125 --> 01:07:47,885
Speaker 3: with disagreeing, and there's not always not everything is right

1253
01:07:47,925 --> 01:07:49,845
Speaker 3: and wrong. I mean, the Bible does number versa on

1254
01:07:50,205 --> 01:07:53,925
Speaker 3: should you paint the house, you know, light blue or tan?

1255
01:07:54,165 --> 01:07:57,485
Speaker 3: I mean in our home, I default to you. I say, look,

1256
01:07:58,125 --> 01:08:01,805
Speaker 3: this is your home. I have an opinion. I think this,

1257
01:08:02,085 --> 01:08:04,685
Speaker 3: but I let you make the decision for anything regarding

1258
01:08:04,685 --> 01:08:07,325
Speaker 3: the home. And I say, but if it's anything involving

1259
01:08:07,405 --> 01:08:10,645
Speaker 3: electronics or gadgetary, that's my domain. If we're going to

1260
01:08:10,685 --> 01:08:14,045
Speaker 3: put a TV in, I will decide that I want to.

1261
01:08:14,285 --> 01:08:17,365
Speaker 3: I'm interested in the tech, you know, but I let

1262
01:08:17,485 --> 01:08:19,085
Speaker 3: you know. So I think you have to say this

1263
01:08:19,165 --> 01:08:21,964
Speaker 3: is her domain, this is my domain, and we do

1264
01:08:22,045 --> 01:08:26,285
Speaker 3: our job. I'm there as a protector, literally a protector.

1265
01:08:26,325 --> 01:08:28,804
Speaker 3: If anyone would want to bring harm in my family,

1266
01:08:29,125 --> 01:08:31,445
Speaker 3: I'm there to protect him, put my life on the

1267
01:08:31,485 --> 01:08:35,004
Speaker 3: line if necessary. I'm there to be a provider. I

1268
01:08:35,165 --> 01:08:36,844
Speaker 3: you know, the Bible believer in says that a man

1269
01:08:36,884 --> 01:08:39,724
Speaker 3: does not provide for his home, he's worse than a

1270
01:08:39,764 --> 01:08:44,044
Speaker 3: non believer. So my job is to always provide, but

1271
01:08:44,165 --> 01:08:47,044
Speaker 3: not just provide physically and have food on the table

1272
01:08:47,085 --> 01:08:49,684
Speaker 3: for you to cook so wonderfully as you do, but

1273
01:08:49,844 --> 01:08:55,525
Speaker 3: to provide spiritual guidance, to provide the encouragement and divide

1274
01:08:55,604 --> 01:08:58,325
Speaker 3: all the things that a man should do. And I

1275
01:08:58,365 --> 01:09:01,084
Speaker 3: think that we just if we could just do what

1276
01:09:01,205 --> 01:09:03,844
Speaker 3: God has designed is to do and stop listening to

1277
01:09:03,924 --> 01:09:08,684
Speaker 3: the lies of this stupid culture. What does this culture

1278
01:09:08,764 --> 01:09:13,325
Speaker 3: know about anything? You know? With marriages unraveling and culture unraveling,

1279
01:09:13,684 --> 01:09:17,764
Speaker 3: and crime growing and all the things that are going wrong,

1280
01:09:18,085 --> 01:09:21,924
Speaker 3: why would I ever listen to that for my advice?

1281
01:09:22,005 --> 01:09:23,084
Speaker 3: Or Oh, let's look at that.

1282
01:09:23,125 --> 01:09:26,925
Speaker 2: You better off doing whatever culture says, do the exact opposite.

1283
01:09:27,125 --> 01:09:30,604
Speaker 3: Literally in many cases that would be true. Like so

1284
01:09:31,125 --> 01:09:33,564
Speaker 3: and so many of us we look for cultural cues,

1285
01:09:33,604 --> 01:09:37,325
Speaker 3: Oh this movie this, or I saw this on TikTok. Hey, listen,

1286
01:09:37,724 --> 01:09:39,924
Speaker 3: a lot of these people just flat out have it wrong.

1287
01:09:40,245 --> 01:09:43,324
Speaker 3: So we have an absolute source of truth, the Bible.

1288
01:09:43,764 --> 01:09:48,044
Speaker 3: So that brings our podcast to a conclusion, Kathy, because

1289
01:09:48,085 --> 01:09:51,365
Speaker 3: we've filled an hour and more, and I think we'll

1290
01:09:51,405 --> 01:09:53,004
Speaker 3: do a part two and a part three, and we

1291
01:09:53,085 --> 01:09:56,284
Speaker 3: have a lot more to talk about to share with folks,

1292
01:09:56,325 --> 01:09:59,804
Speaker 3: But today this will be the end. So I'll give

1293
01:09:59,844 --> 01:10:03,405
Speaker 3: you the closing word. What do you have to say

1294
01:10:03,445 --> 01:10:06,004
Speaker 3: to all these people that were name.

1295
01:10:05,924 --> 01:10:12,444
Speaker 2: Today, Well, don't give up, don't give up, be hopeful

1296
01:10:13,644 --> 01:10:19,764
Speaker 2: with God. You can change slowly and sometimes it's hard,

1297
01:10:19,884 --> 01:10:22,485
Speaker 2: but you can change, and you can see your marriage change.

1298
01:10:22,525 --> 01:10:26,604
Speaker 2: Greg was we were talking about marriages. I just thought

1299
01:10:27,005 --> 01:10:30,525
Speaker 2: of several marriages that are of dear friends that I

1300
01:10:30,604 --> 01:10:37,325
Speaker 2: have who I think outsiders would have said you should leave,

1301
01:10:38,045 --> 01:10:41,485
Speaker 2: you should just just bail on this, but they didn't.

1302
01:10:41,924 --> 01:10:44,525
Speaker 3: You marry and George, Oh we shouldn't say that publicly.

1303
01:10:45,405 --> 01:10:47,124
Speaker 1: There there is no marry in George.

1304
01:10:47,604 --> 01:10:49,764
Speaker 3: But people you know that that she could.

1305
01:10:50,085 --> 01:10:59,125
Speaker 2: Have together and have lived to see children and grandchildren

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Speaker 2: and have come through on the other side. You know,

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Speaker 2: I heard the statistics are if you're planning to get

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Speaker 2: divorced and you will wait five years. Yes, and this

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Speaker 2: isn't even just for Christian couple, just wait five years.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time those things get resolved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's we live in such instant gratification right now

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Speaker 2: that we want to see instant transformation and change.

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Speaker 1: So you know, for all the.

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Speaker 2: Couples and all the ladies and guys and ones who

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Speaker 2: want to be married one ones who want to have

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Speaker 2: children and raise families and all of that. You'll be patient,

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Speaker 2: pray and ask God to bring that right person.

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Speaker 3: Let's just kind of I know we're closing, but let

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Speaker 3: me just ask this. Let's talk to a single guy

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Speaker 3: or a single girl, so God can call you the singleness.

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Speaker 3: Like Paul said, he that is married cares for the

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Speaker 3: things of his wife. That's not a criticism. It's an

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Speaker 3: observation and an accurate one. Obviously, Hey, you have to

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Speaker 3: care about your family. I can't just say, Kathy, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to you know, leave for three months and go

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Speaker 3: back back through Europe. No, No, I have responsibilities. Corey

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Speaker 3: tin Boom never got married, and she was greatly used

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Speaker 3: by God. And we could cite many examples of wonderful

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01:12:09,884 --> 01:12:13,325
Speaker 3: people that God has used in special ways. So what

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Speaker 3: about a person who maybe is single and maybe they're

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01:12:16,445 --> 01:12:19,245
Speaker 3: going to remain single. What about their life? Because we've

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Speaker 3: talked so much, right that find the person get married,

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Speaker 3: have children? Okay? What about someone that's not called of that.

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Speaker 2: Jesus was the perfect human, yes, and he was never married.

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Speaker 2: And what I would say is that use your freedom, yes,

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Speaker 2: to pursue the things of the Lord and to serve

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Speaker 2: the Lord. My sister is single, and I look at

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Speaker 2: her life and how free she is, yes to serve

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Speaker 2: Jesus on so many levels.

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Speaker 3: You secretly admire that, don't you.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for her in my life and I

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Speaker 2: have seen how it's just she's living the most beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Fulfilled and happy life right now.

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Speaker 2: But another tip for those of you who are single

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Speaker 2: but would.

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Speaker 1: Like to be married, I would say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Serve the Lord.

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Speaker 2: Some of the best marriages that I've seen are two

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01:13:15,245 --> 01:13:17,964
Speaker 2: people serving side by side that have fallen in love

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01:13:18,005 --> 01:13:20,044
Speaker 2: with each other as they serve the Lord together.

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Speaker 3: And I mean not even started with an attraction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you go to the singles club or

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Speaker 2: the singles fellowship or whatever, and everybody's looking at each other,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's.

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Speaker 1: Part of the problem.

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Speaker 2: But if you're serving Jesus, find a serve team at

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01:13:37,085 --> 01:13:40,044
Speaker 2: the church, find a place to be useful, and as

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Speaker 2: you're serving, maybe there's somebody standing right next to you

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Speaker 2: who's serving Jesus in the same way that single and

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Speaker 2: that would be just such a beautiful thing to end

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Speaker 2: up doing that together, you know, helping each other to

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Speaker 2: go even further in your service and love for Jesus.

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Speaker 3: That's right, okay, Well, thanks for joining us, and next

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Speaker 3: time we'll talk about more aspects of relationships and family

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Speaker 3: and a lot more. So thanks for watching or listening

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