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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to The March or Dive Show. Today,

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Speaker 2: very special episode. I'm going to talk about it, excited

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Speaker 2: look for March or Die, The March or Dive Show.

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Speaker 2: You'll find it and subscribe there as well. My guest

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Speaker 2: today is none other than Joby Martin Paster.

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Speaker 1: Job thank you man, my pleasure, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's awesome. I'm pretty envious. I'm sitting here

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Speaker 2: interviewing you in your studio. Yeah, and feeling bad about

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Speaker 2: my home set up as well.

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Speaker 3: Like I was saying before, I started talking to my

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Speaker 3: guy Land and he can make everything awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We've got an awesome studio in Texas, which I think

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Speaker 2: JA had tried to get you out to a couple

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Speaker 2: of times, and we'll get you there event yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but man, thank you for letting me be here and

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Speaker 2: for all you guys do.

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Speaker 1: I was at church last night. Blew me away. It's

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Speaker 1: crazy love Thursday night, Thursday night. Loved it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got to hear one of our newest

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Speaker 3: guys on our teaching team on a motley. He's from

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Speaker 3: He's from South Africa. We met through Acts twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: I preached his church there and we have a we

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Speaker 3: have a school of ministry here and it's crazy, uh,

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Speaker 3: the reach and the impact that God has decided to

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Speaker 3: allow this church to steward and so we're trying to

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Speaker 3: do a better job of training up the next generation

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Speaker 3: to lead and serve churches. And so plays a big

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Speaker 3: role there. And he's also just a dynamic communicator and.

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Speaker 2: He brought it last night. So we're in Christmas season.

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Speaker 2: You guys are in Christmas series. He went to Loop

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Speaker 2: two and so you know pastored for a long time,

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Speaker 2: I ap preached a lot. So I just went all right,

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Speaker 2: I know where this is going. Right, man, he brought it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's brilliant. He brought it and did an incredible job.

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Speaker 2: Music was fantastic In spite of what Kyle Thompson may

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Speaker 2: say did' I didn't feel emasculated or anything.

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Speaker 3: The thing about our worship team is they're actually Christians. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: well I was gonna imagine that right.

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Speaker 1: That's good too. Yeah that's not every church. That is true.

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Speaker 1: It's not every church.

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Speaker 3: And now we have some godly men and women that

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Speaker 3: are passionate about people glorifying God and more spin word.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to the person up. Yeah, they're incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic. Hospitality is great. Everything about it is great.

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Speaker 2: Good And as somebody's been around church a lot, I

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Speaker 2: know that's not always the case.

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Speaker 3: Well, anything we need to get better at, then you

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Speaker 3: can just share that with me.

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Speaker 1: And I've got I've got nothing. I'll help make that happen.

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Speaker 2: I've just taken notes and take it back to take

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Speaker 2: it back to our church. You walk around a church

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Speaker 2: like the Church of eleven twenty two and you see

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Speaker 2: all that God's doing here and all that God has

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Speaker 2: done here. We're gonna get into your book, and I'd

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Speaker 2: love to talk about, you know, so many of the

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Speaker 2: things that you spend your days and life talking about, but.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your story. How are you raised?

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Speaker 1: How'd you come to faith?

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Speaker 2: How does God do a work in Jobie Martin to

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Speaker 2: birth a church like this and all that's happening here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I often say, Man, I'm just a nobody willing

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Speaker 3: in a little hicic town called Dylan, South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: It's just outside of Myrtle Beach. Sounds like a town.

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Speaker 3: It is, Man, there's nothing there, But I mean, we

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Speaker 1: Sure sure, sure, yeah, Na, that's it.

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Speaker 3: And I would have assumed growing up I was a

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Speaker 3: Like at school, things were going good, but but I

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Speaker 1: I mean, God, lead you. I told that story ten

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Speaker 3: It was like I didn't have to worry about what

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Speaker 3: then one day Coach Lee again, man, I've got zero

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Speaker 1: Remember that when I'm a Sea? I went teeth camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said, you come alive. I see them come alive.

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Speaker 3: read these statistics that eighty five percent of people to

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Speaker 1: They don't know what's you know there. I can't help them.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of unfortunately in church, a lot of

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Speaker 2: youth pastors, children's ministers, it is it's viewed as some

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Speaker 2: kind of a hierarchy. Yeah, I need to start there.

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Speaker 2: And we've had this conversation a thousand times. Why do

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Speaker 2: we take the least qualified communicator, leader, or whatever and

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Speaker 2: give them to our kids? Yeah, and then take you know.

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Speaker 2: It's it's strange that it's done that way, but it

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Speaker 2: is most effective when someone was a call to youth ministry.

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Speaker 3: So I thought I would do that forever. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Now, along the way, you have become known for a

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Speaker 2: we get to that, though. Why is that important to

438
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Speaker 2: you or when did that become important to you? You

439
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Speaker 2: went from youth ministry doing those things you're doing, young

440
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Speaker 2: adult ministry, starting a church, all the rest of it,

441
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Speaker 2: and at some point that'll coalesce into I've got to

442
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Speaker 2: focus on men.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it's just trying to align myself with the

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Speaker 3: created order that God had in mind when he made

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Speaker 3: this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

448
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Speaker 3: And the bottom line is when men do what men

449
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Speaker 3: are supposed to do, when men lead in love, will

450
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Speaker 3: everyone flourishes. And I saw it over and over and

451
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Speaker 3: over in my student ministry days. You know, when dads

452
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Speaker 3: did what they were supposed to do, things were just

453
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Speaker 3: better for everybody. When men in the church do what

454
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Speaker 3: they're supposed to do, things just go better.

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Speaker 1: And my experience, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Fifty two years old, Okay, so the church hasn't really

457
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Speaker 3: been a place for men for the last fifty seventy

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Speaker 3: five years.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: In fact, one of the illustrations I used that gets

461
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Speaker 3: me murdered online, so I'll make sure I say it

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Speaker 3: for those in the back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Good is oftentimes the church has asked men to just

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Speaker 3: honestly come in and be women, sure like, just be nice,

466
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Speaker 3: sit down and be quiet, you know, sit in circles,

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Speaker 3: talk about her feelings, and we're gonna, you know, put

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Speaker 3: her dress on and sing songs.

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Speaker 1: And dudes are like, I don't think I'm gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you, bro.

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Speaker 3: And the illustration I use is if I go home

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Speaker 3: today and my wife has one of her shirts song,

473
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Speaker 3: she looks great.

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Speaker 1: If I have one of my shirts on, I look fine.

475
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Speaker 1: I can't do great. This is all I have.

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Speaker 3: If she has one of my shirts on, which is

477
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Speaker 3: almost always like a snap button dinner right flannel, she

478
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Speaker 3: looks great. If I have her shirt on, it's not great.

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Speaker 1: Not so great. And the church has been a blouse. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just I do not want to overcorrect and

481
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Speaker 3: just try to have men around here beating their chests saying,

482
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Speaker 3: you know, manhood is somehow about my big truck and

483
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Speaker 3: big muscles and how loud I And that's what drove

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Speaker 3: the book and I would say there are there's so

485
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Speaker 3: many good men's books out there written by people exponentially

486
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Speaker 3: smarter than me. Okay, I mean all of John Eldridge's stuffs.

487
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Speaker 3: He's brilliant and wild at heart. Just changed me. It's

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Speaker 3: so good.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of that is rooted in psychology, sociology.

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Speaker 1: It's not local church for sure, correct this book.

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Speaker 3: What's great is that when Paul writes to the Corinthians

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Speaker 3: and First Corindians sixteen thirteen fourteen, I see that verse

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Speaker 3: like act like men as the hub of the middle

494
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Speaker 3: of the wheel, and all of the imperatives around it

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Speaker 3: are how you are to do that?

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Speaker 1: It's good, And so all this book does.

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Speaker 3: It's just a big Bible study what it means to

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Speaker 3: act like a man in regards to what the Bible means.

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Speaker 1: And so one of my there's.

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Speaker 3: This old Scottish proverb acorded all the time for every

501
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Speaker 3: mile of road, there's two miles of ditch, and honestly

502
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Speaker 3: the enemy does not care which ditch.

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Speaker 1: You wreck your trup. That's good.

504
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Speaker 3: The previous like four or five years, a lot of men,

505
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Speaker 3: especially young men, kind of wrecked in the ditch of abdication,

506
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna take responsibility, all right. I'm just gonna

507
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Speaker 3: sit on the cass play video games and vote for

508
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Speaker 3: people to pay for me to do this. What it

509
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Speaker 3: seems like, especially recently in the last year, the pendulum

510
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Speaker 3: is swinging too far the other way.

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Speaker 1: There's like the return of the alpha male.

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Speaker 3: But the problem is it's like domineering and aggression with

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Speaker 3: abuse and I beat my chest and women just need

514
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Speaker 3: to be quiet.

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Speaker 1: But shut up, dude, That ain't it either.

516
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Speaker 3: So if you want to stand up at act like

517
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Speaker 3: a man, you got to be in your need of

518
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Speaker 3: Jesus and do it the way he said do it.

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Speaker 2: That's good, It's okay. So you bring up kind of

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Speaker 2: the heart of my I want to say trouble, but

521
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Speaker 2: certain only internal friction with Christian churches, organizations, men almost

522
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Speaker 2: over correcting. You use that word overcorrecting to the side

523
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Speaker 2: of this hyper masculinity, right, because there are a lot

524
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Speaker 2: of guys who are hyper masculine that are not spiritual.

525
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Speaker 2: They don't understand anything about holiness. They could care less

526
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Speaker 2: really about what God thinks, but they find a lot

527
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Speaker 2: of comfort in the hyper masculinity stuff, and so it

528
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Speaker 2: becomes just another facade that they can hide behind.

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Speaker 1: And so this I can be a Christian.

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Speaker 2: I can love the Lord, but I can do all

531
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Speaker 2: of the things that you know, name your influencer does,

532
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Speaker 2: but if I attach God to it, it's okay. And

533
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Speaker 2: this has become problematic, I think. So you know, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a hyper masculine guy. I was a marine

535
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Speaker 2: officer at Man Crosser, I was in combat in Iraq. Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I don't wear that right. I'm

537
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Speaker 2: a brown belt jiu jitsu. I run ultra marathons, so

538
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Speaker 2: I do hard things. But I don't associate doing those

539
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Speaker 2: things with masculinity. But a lot of people associate all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. So if you're not that guy, right, You're

541
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Speaker 2: not an athletic guy, you're not wired that way whatever,

542
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Speaker 2: Well then there's something wrong with you. And I think

543
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Speaker 2: we have over corrected. So I don't know which ditch

544
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Speaker 2: is a better ditch to fall into neither, But I

545
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Speaker 2: think churches have gone so far the other way that

546
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Speaker 2: now we've alienated this other group of people.

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Speaker 3: So often when I talk about this in the intro,

548
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Speaker 3: I'll say, you know, if the Bible says act like

549
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Speaker 3: a man, you got to say, okay, so what is

550
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Speaker 3: a man, right? And I'll say I'm a man, yeah,

551
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Speaker 3: And I love to hunt and fish. I got more

552
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Speaker 3: guns than I have fingers, got a couple on me

553
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Speaker 3: right now. I drive a big four wheel drive truck.

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Speaker 1: You know.

555
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Speaker 3: I love sec football. I'm a purple belt in jiu jitsu.

556
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Speaker 3: None of that makes me a man. It makes me awesome, right,

557
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Speaker 3: It doesn't make me any right right.

558
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Speaker 1: What it means to be a man is I get

559
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Speaker 1: this from two places, the roles that Jesus fIF and

560
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Speaker 1: what Paul tells the Ephesians husband's role at home is

561
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Speaker 1: and so a man is a provider or protector, prophet,

562
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Speaker 1: priest and servant king provider, provider, protector, protector.

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Speaker 3: Those are pretty obvious, Paul tells Timothy. If a man

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Speaker 3: will not provide for his family, he's worse than an

565
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Speaker 3: unbeliever right now.

566
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't just mean provide food, sure and shelter

567
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Speaker 1: possums do that for their family. We got to raise

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Speaker 1: the bar a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Okay, protector and honestly, all of us think we will

570
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Speaker 3: do that. But we don't have the opportunity to stand

571
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Speaker 3: out on the home front anymore and fight the grizzly

572
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Speaker 3: bear from coming in the cabin. So this means you

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Speaker 3: protect your family, heart, soul, mind and strength. Okay, profet,

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Speaker 3: I means you tell the truth. Priest was a person

575
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Speaker 3: that tried to connect people with God. That's your job.

576
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Speaker 3: And King, but I put servant in front of it

577
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Speaker 3: because every man that hears King thinks he gets the rule.

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Speaker 3: But king just means it is my responsibility to set

579
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Speaker 3: up an environment where the people that I'm called to

580
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Speaker 3: serve get to flourish. That's what it means to be

581
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Speaker 3: a man.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Somewhere along the way in some best more Bible study

584
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Speaker 3: evangelical churches, yes, moved away from the idea that the

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Speaker 3: Bible talks about with headship and said, well, the husband

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Speaker 3: is the spiritual.

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Speaker 1: Leader of the home. What are you talking about? Nowhere

588
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Speaker 1: does it say that in the Bible.

589
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Speaker 3: He's just the hit The spiritual condition of your family

590
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Speaker 3: is a significant part of that.

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Speaker 1: But he is responsible for all of it, not just

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Speaker 1: part of it. Right, And so if I could boil

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Speaker 1: it down to one word, it is take responsibility. Responsibility.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. Yeah, I've said this.

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Speaker 2: A lot, particularly to you like the guys that come

596
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Speaker 2: to our programs over the years. You could be a

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Speaker 2: sixteen year old kid who loses his father and goes

598
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Speaker 2: and gets a second job to help your mom make

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Speaker 2: ends meet, and you take care of the little kids,

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Speaker 2: and you do the things you've accepted responsibility for your role,

601
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Speaker 2: your position, your circumstance. That's manhood.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

603
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Speaker 2: You can be a sixty year old guy who doesn't

604
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Speaker 2: do any of those things, who's screwing around, he's doing

605
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Speaker 2: things that are not productive. That doesn't make you a

606
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Speaker 2: man the fact that you're old.

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Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, one hundred hossability one hundred percent. And I think.

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Speaker 3: This is not original with me, but I think you know,

609
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Speaker 3: a boy will never step up and be a man

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Speaker 3: until it is required of him, right, So we can

611
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Speaker 3: we can like crap on this generation all we want to,

612
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Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you, if we needed all the

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Speaker 3: eighteen year old boys around here to pick up guns

614
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Speaker 3: in the storm, normandy they wouldah, but it just hasn't

615
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Speaker 3: been required.

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Speaker 2: We So you know, I was a twenty four twenty

617
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Speaker 2: five year old infantry officer sitting south of the Iraqi

618
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Speaker 2: border in two thousand and three. I had a platoon

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Speaker 2: of eighty four Marines. I had a couple almost eighteen

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Speaker 2: year olds, seventeen year old young Marines. They had gotten

621
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Speaker 2: signed off by their parents, went through the process. They

622
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Speaker 2: were there with us, a lot of eighteen year olds.

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Speaker 2: I was joked that I was a youth pastor before

624
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Speaker 2: I was in ministry. Yeah, no doubt. And in the

625
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Speaker 2: middle of the night we were told that it was

626
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Speaker 2: time to go. None of us had ever been in

627
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Speaker 2: combat two thousand and three. None of us had ever

628
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Speaker 2: been in combat. None of us knew what the reality

629
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Speaker 2: of that was. And almost to a man, performed with

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Speaker 2: absolute excellence, with courage because it was required of them.

631
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Speaker 1: To your point, because it was required of them.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to say on behalf of me and

633
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: this whole church, thank you, thank you, thank you. If

634
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Speaker 3: you've ever put on the uniform, you are held in

635
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Speaker 3: high honor at the church because.

636
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Speaker 1: Of men like you. I get to do what I do,

637
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Speaker 1: sure that I can stand on this in this platform

638
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: every single weekend and proclaim Christ right, Well, I mean pause,

639
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: people like you, well, it was an honor to do it.

640
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: Get thankful for it. But we thank you, We do not,

641
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: we do not take it for granted. Man. I appreciate that,

642
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 3: But the other thing is, and I talk about this

644
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Speaker 3: in the beginning of the book, is for all of

645
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Speaker 3: human history, until about one hundred years ago, there was

646
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Speaker 3: only two classifications of male. There were boys and there

647
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: were men, and there was some kind of right of passage, right,

648
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Speaker 3: and we are one of the very few societies in

649
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: the history of the world that don't have that kind

650
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: of right of passage. And so now what we have

651
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Speaker 3: is boys trying to bestow manhood on other boys.

652
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Speaker 1: And it's I'm merely defined by how much you can consume.

653
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: Sure, whether that's money or clicks or likes or women

654
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Speaker 3: or beer or wherever the thing is.

655
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Speaker 1: But it takes a man to tell a boy it's

656
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Speaker 1: time for you to grow up and be a man.

657
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Speaker 1: You have to produce. We need more of that.

658
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Speaker 3: And you know, like when a knight was knighted, first

659
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Speaker 3: he had to bend his knee to the king, and

660
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: then he was given a commission, and then when he

661
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: stood up, he was different.

662
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Speaker 1: And so we need more of that in the church.

663
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Speaker 3: And so a big part of what we're trying to

664
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Speaker 3: do around here when we're calling our church to stand

665
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: for act like men, is not just crap on this

666
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Speaker 3: upcoming generation, but be in their corner, standing on the wall,

667
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Speaker 3: fight for them, speak into them, call them up into manhood.

668
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Speaker 3: Because Peter says, his divine power has given us everything

669
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Speaker 3: we need for life and God. My version of that is,

670
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Speaker 3: if it's God's will, it's God's bill.

671
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Speaker 1: Right. So it was God's idea that you would be

672
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Speaker 1: a man.

673
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Speaker 3: And so if you put your faith in Jesus Christ,

674
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Speaker 3: the spirit of God is in you and in you,

675
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: with his help, you have everything it takes to be

676
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Speaker 3: what he has called you to be.

677
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Speaker 1: And so if it was his.

678
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Speaker 3: Idea for you to be a husband and a dad,

679
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Speaker 3: then with his help, then you have.

680
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Speaker 1: What it takes with his help to do what he's

681
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Speaker 1: called you to do. I don't want to just beat

682
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Speaker 1: up this upcoming generation.

683
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Speaker 3: I have a twenty year old boy, young man, and

684
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: my job is to help call him up into that responsibility.

685
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: And the problem is we live in a world that

686
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Speaker 3: spends a billion dollars a day. Honestly, his whole life,

687
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: he's been told he's the problem. Yeah, he's a white

688
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Speaker 3: Christian male. What does he do right now? There's a

689
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Speaker 3: million voices online right now over correcting saying some terrible,

690
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Speaker 3: not Jesus loving things at all. And what I'm trying

691
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: to do is ancher the word of God so deep

692
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: in his heart and call him to what God has

693
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Speaker 3: called him to do.

694
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Speaker 2: When you talk about bestowing manhood, can you refine that

695
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Speaker 2: a little bit? What does that mean practically?

696
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Speaker 3: Well, so what happens is somebody like Elders writes incredible

697
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: books about man who and then all these guys in

698
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: churches do these rights of passages and the like. They

699
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: take their thirteen year old kid on a camping trip

700
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Speaker 3: and give him a sword, and they're like, you're a man.

701
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: You're not a man, your thirteen year old kid, right, dude,

702
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: you have to ask to pe at school? Like, So

703
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: what I tried to do with my boy is beginning

704
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Speaker 3: in the ninth grade, and we continue to do this.

705
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Speaker 1: Now.

706
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Speaker 3: We do some like epic adventure kind of trips because

707
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: moments matter and I want these moments for him. Ours

708
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: were either adventure trips or hunting trips, and they just

709
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: escalated over time. So this when you graduated high school,

710
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: went to South Africa on a bow hunting trip, and

711
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: I had a tribal chief there pray over him. I

712
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: always included some men that had been pouring into his

713
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: life to write some letters of encouragement to him, to

714
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: call out that man that was in him. And so

715
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: this thing was a long process, not just a singular event. Yeah,

716
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: it's good, and I'm telling you we have a ministry

717
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: here we called eighteen twenty five. You know a lot

718
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: of churches might call it like college and career or

719
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Speaker 3: something like that. And this is not youth group two

720
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Speaker 3: point zero. This is to try to help that generation

721
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Speaker 3: find their place in the Great Commission.

722
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Speaker 1: And the thing that makes it magic. I mean, we

723
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: had thousands of these young people showing up.

724
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Speaker 3: Okay, But what we do all summer is we also

725
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: we partner them with our senior adult ministry, and at

726
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: every table there's senior adults and there's eighteen to twenty five,

727
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: and we're just trying to get as much cross pollination

728
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: in that now that ideally happens first and most at home,

729
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: But we live in a broken society, so where the

730
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: ideal is unrealized, grace a balance, and this is where

731
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Speaker 3: the church family needs to step in and help manufacture

732
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Speaker 3: some of those relationships. In fact, right this second, my

733
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: twenty year old son is having lunch with his youth.

734
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Speaker 1: Group leader that he met when he was in the

735
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Speaker 1: sixth grade.

736
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Speaker 3: That's awesome, right, And that God Josh is a man yep,

737
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: loves Jesus, you know, got a beautiful families, a member

738
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Speaker 3: of our church, all that kind of stuff. And that

739
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: God Josh has walked with my son.

740
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Speaker 1: So it's not just Dad saying the things Dad says,

741
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: but I've also surrounding him with other men to try

742
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Speaker 1: to speak life into him and call him to what

743
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: God has called him to. Man, that's awesome. That's where

744
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: Eldridge crushes it.

745
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he's talking about all of us have this,

746
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: you know, beautied rescue, a battle to fight, and an

747
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: adventure to live.

748
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that process is a long process.

749
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: And you know you just mentioned that important key of

750
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Speaker 2: having other men. Something's been on my heart a lot lately.

751
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: In fact, I just talked to our team at Mighty

752
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Oaks last week about this is producing content where older men.

753
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm forty nine, your early fifties, so our generation of

754
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: guys can speak to what is missing in a lot

755
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: of young men's lives, because I do think they're looking

756
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: for something. I think they're trying to understand this world

757
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: and understand their place in the world. But men in

758
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: our generation, it seems, are either so embarrassed or ashamed

759
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: of their own past that they're not willing to step

760
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: into someone else's life, or they should be more embarrassed

761
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: and ashamed of where they are right now. And yet

762
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: they think they have something to say to young men.

763
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: And so it's finding those mentors call them what you

764
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: will to speak into those lives? How important is that?

765
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: And what would your word be to men kind of

766
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: in our generation that are not doing that?

767
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the beginning of the gospel is you realizing you

768
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: ain't got this?

769
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete Carroll in the locker room at I think

770
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: it was when he was at Seattle, one of my

771
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: Matt carriers. This guy named Jeff Copp played six years

772
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 3: in the league and as one of the pastors here

773
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: and one of my best friends on the planet. He

774
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: said Pete was yelling at him at halftime and he says,

775
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: the three most dangerous words that could come out of

776
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: your mouth is I got this? And he was talk

777
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: about football. Yeah, he was like linebacker. If you don't

778
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: realize you're a part of a team and you just

779
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: go off on your own. You got to understand you

780
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: got men on your left and right, and you need

781
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: each other for us to win the game. And I thought, man,

782
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: what a beautiful picture of what God has called us

783
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: to his Christian meaning. So Jesus says at the beginning

784
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: of his teaching ministry, and the beatitudes blessed are the

785
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: poor and speed, Like when you realize I'm spiritually bankrupt

786
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: and I ain't got this, You're perfectly positioned to be

787
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: in your need of Jesus and turn the reins over

788
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: to him.

789
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

790
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: And then when the spirit in dwells you. Now what

791
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: Peter says, Hey, man, with Christ in you, you got

792
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: everything you need for everything He's called you.

793
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, both of those things are simultaneously true.

794
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 3: So when I'm encouraging men to get in the game

795
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: for one more generation, I just put it this way.

796
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: What if the you now, what if you when you

797
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: were sixteen had the you now speaking into your life?

798
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: How would your life be different? Well, why don't you

799
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: go do that for some of our kids?

800
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's it. That's good.

801
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: My son is I have four kids, but my second,

802
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: my son is twenty four. It's a police officer in town.

803
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: Started training jiu jitsu when he was twelve, and there

804
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: were a couple of reasons for that. One of the

805
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: reasons was I was I was kind of at my

806
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: WIT's end with him. I didn't know what to do

807
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: with him exactly, but I knew I needed to get

808
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: him around someone in an environment that could basically say

809
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: the same things I was saying, but he'd listened to

810
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: them and beat him up and hold him accountable, and

811
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: and someone who exhibited or demonstrated manhood. I was introduced

812
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: to a black belt in jiu jitsu who lived in

813
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: our town, and it was in a great gym, and

814
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: so I dropped him off there. He ended up spending

815
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: He was homeschooled, so he went from going to class

816
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: to spending half.

817
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: The day there.

818
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: You go to all the classes. Mauricio Alonso was his

819
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: first instructor, first professor. And that guy, I mean, he

820
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: spoke into his life. Christian guy spoke into his life,

821
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: held him accountable, pulled him close, brought him to adult

822
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: classes later in the day so he could be around him.

823
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: And you know, there are a lot of things I

824
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: think we did right. His parents a lot of things

825
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: we did wrong, but I think that was a pivotal

826
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: moment in my son's life where someone began to pour

827
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: into him and mentor and we didn't call it that,

828
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: but got him on a track that now allows him

829
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: to do the things that he's able to do now

830
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: and be a Christian husband and Christian father.

831
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Speaker 1: And he had great respect for him, tremendous respect physical sense.

832
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: That would translate same thing. Man, my son trains MMA.

833
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, he'd really love to fight the UFC. Yeah,

834
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: he trains a tenth planet here under an incredible black belt.

835
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: And that guy is a is like a servant at

836
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: our church on the greeting team.

837
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's no.

838
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: Tenth planet guys could be Christians. I didn't think they

839
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: had it.

840
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: In them, right, I do this guy. They run Bible

841
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: studies out of lots of leg locks, and oh gosh, yeah,

842
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: it's a it's a nasty system they run.

843
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that same thing.

844
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: But having those guys in and then you know, and

845
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: then over time finding other people. As he got older

846
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: and went to different places, he told us when he

847
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: was like thirteen, I want to be a police officer.

848
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm all right, Well, if that's what you want to do,

849
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: we're going to find some people. I can't help you

850
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: with that, right, We're going to find some people that can.

851
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: And we're able to find some people that could. And

852
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: and man, it's it's the difference I think between success

853
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: and failure, or at least going through that dark valley

854
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: where you're trying to figure things out for ten years.

855
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: It's a twenty something.

856
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there used to be this phrase it

857
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: takes the village to raise a kid or whatever. Well,

858
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: you don't want the village to raise your kid today, right,

859
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: village idiot.

860
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: But it takes a church man, Yeah, it does.

861
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 3: So And what I had to say as a dad

862
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: is I ain't got this. I need help.

863
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: I need help, And so I would recruit, especially like

864
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: there's a couple of Jaguar players that are that are

865
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: just incredible believers attend this church and I know them

866
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: really will and I disciple them and all that. And yeah,

867
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: when JP was eight and nine, ten and eleven, man,

868
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: these guys were swinging by the house, picking up JP,

869
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: taking him to striking.

870
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 3: Class, or going fishing with him, and in actuality they

871
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: were closer to his age than me. I mean, they're

872
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: twenty three years old and he's ten, you know, And

873
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 3: so I will be forever indebted to those men pouring

874
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: into my.

875
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Speaker 1: Family long term.

876
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: To be a man that God can use, you have

877
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: to have not only mentors in your life, but you

878
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: have to the right people, right kind of relationships in

879
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: your life. Can you talk a little bit about the

880
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: danger of isolation? We talk about this a lot, but

881
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 2: the danger of isolation and then the types of friends

882
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: someone needs to have in their life that find success.

883
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean the way of my brain work. I just

884
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: think Bible verses.

885
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: So you know, when Peter's talking to the elders in

886
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 3: First Peter five, he's talking to men, okay, because he says,

887
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: all right, every man in the church should aspire to

888
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: be one of these.

889
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

890
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: And then this very famous verse he goes the devil

891
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: prowls around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour.

892
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: We've all seen the animal planet, which one does the

893
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: lion takeout? The isolated isolation is a tool of the enemy,

894
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: right In Mark chapter two, this is the language we

895
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: use around eleven twenty two. In Mark chapter two, there's

896
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: a guy who's paralyzed on a mat.

897
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: The reality is all of us.

898
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 3: One day we'll find ourselves on that map, either financially

899
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: or mentally, or physically or spiritually. Right, And this dude

900
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 3: had four friends. Each of them picked up a corner

901
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: of his mat and carried him to Jesus.

902
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: Dropped him right on top of Jesus.

903
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: You have to find four men in your life. And

904
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 3: I call them mat carriers. My friend Kyle Thompson calls

905
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: them Foxhole brothers. My friend Matt Chandler calls them the

906
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: King's Table. Okay, the idea is, do you have these

907
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: kind of men in your life that are willing to

908
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: overcome obstacles to do whatever it takes to get you

909
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: to Jesus.

910
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: And then you need to deputize those men. You can't

911
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: just assume upon them. You got to look them in

912
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: the face and be like, I'm counting on you. It

913
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: be my mat carrier. Now here's the crazy thing about

914
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: that event in Mark two. So they got to the house,

915
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: it was crowded, They could have walked away. They didn't.

916
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: They caro a hole in the roof. Everybody know, if

917
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: you've been to Sunday School, you've heard this one.

918
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: Jesus says he sees the faith of the friends and

919
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: says to the man on the mat, your sins are forgiven.

920
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: Now listen, I know you can't borrow anybody's salvation, but

921
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: you better surround yourself with some people that have enough

922
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: faith that when you get knocked down, Like in Ephesians

923
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: chapter six, the put on the armor of God. Faith

924
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: is called a shield. And then the failings like three

925
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: hundred when they would link up shields. One is they

926
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: would put men in line, and they would put family

927
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 3: members on their right and left. Think about how hard

928
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: you would fight in a war if your son was

929
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: on your right and your dad with and if and

930
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: when you got knocked down you had somebody that and

931
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: you can kind of borrow their faith for a little

932
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: while to shield you until you could get back couple.

933
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: On your feet. And Christian community is it's like a

934
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: savings account.

935
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: It's like a retirement account. If you wait till you

936
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: need it to build it, it's over. And so you

937
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: need to be pursuing that that.

938
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: The local church is a great place to find that.

939
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: I know some of the guys that you're working with,

940
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: the men and women with these unbelievable trauma from military experience.

941
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: What you guys have created is a pond by which

942
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: these folks can fish for their mac carriers. And that

943
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 3: is so so so important. Listen, I'm a professional Christian.

944
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: I've been doing this in a long time, and I

945
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: need mac carriers just as much as everybody. Yeah, and

946
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: they're identified in my life. The other thing I think

947
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: is important. A couple of more things that are important.

948
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: One is the.

949
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: Conversations we have.

950
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: Is all right, if you were the devil, how would

951
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: you take you out? And I need you to be

952
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: honest about that with me, so that can ask you

953
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: those questions.

954
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: It's good, you know, it's good.

955
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: Secondly, the dumbest thing I see happen all the time

956
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: is so you invite somebody into your life for accountability,

957
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: and then the first time they try to give you

958
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: some you stiff from it. Yep, you dummy. They didn't

959
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: sign up for this, you ask them to do it,

960
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: so be open for the correction.

961
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

962
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: One of the things I like the least is when

963
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: people ask me to be what they would call a

964
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: cornerman or a mentor in their life, because I know

965
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: there's going to come a time something hard is going

966
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: to have to be said correct, and they're not going

967
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 2: to be as accepting as they are at this moment.

968
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: Correct. That's why you better. Proximity matters.

969
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: So my Matt Carriers are dudes that I'm around that

970
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: live here. I mean, listen, I have very famous, very gifted,

971
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: professional Christian friends, but they don't get to see how

972
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: I talk to my wife, and they don't see my calendar,

973
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I've got to Like I

974
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 3: mentioned Jeff Copp the football player, he's my neighbor too,

975
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: and so he'll over and be like, dude, you're kind

976
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: of short with Gretu.

977
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: You know, OK, this is not okay. You're not going

978
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: to act like this good. You know, you preach and

979
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: teach on this.

980
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: One of the I guess the questions thoughts I had

981
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: last night when I was sitting in church. Even the

982
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: title of the Christmas series is the Real Men, Real

983
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: Menu of Christmas. Yeah, I was gonna say, the Men of Christmas,

984
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: Real Menu of Christmas. You've been in a Real Men's

985
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: series all year?

986
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right?

987
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: Every year I pick like a focus or a theme

988
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: for our church. Right, So, you know when he was

989
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: on prayer, when he was on worship. You know, it

990
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: just depends on what it is this year, if the

991
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: entire year. At the beginning the first full weekend of January,

992
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: I stand up in front of our church. I had

993
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: everybody a vision piece. I say, mark this on your calendar.

994
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: This is what we're doing at the church. And this

995
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: year we're focusing on men standing for them and acting

996
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 3: like men. Here's what's awesome. I got zero emails from

997
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: the women of urch.

998
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: Okay, that was gonna be my question.

999
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: Godly women don't ask what about me? Godly women say

1000
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: how can I help? It's just true.

1001
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, So, I mean, look at it.

1002
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: Do you really think the problem with Christianity is the

1003
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 3: women aren't doing what they're supposed to do? I mean,

1004
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: look at every church, who serves the most, who praised

1005
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: the most, who were We're.

1006
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: Told seventy percent of church attenders or women. Correct, Most

1007
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: Christian books are written to women.

1008
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: The first group of people to show up at the

1009
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: empty toom were women. So I know Jesus is the head, sure,

1010
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: but praying mamas have been the backbone of the church

1011
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: from day one. Okay, in fact, I think if men

1012
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: would just do.

1013
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: What men are supposed to do almost all of the

1014
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: societal problems go away. I mean, fatherlessness is number one,

1015
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: that's the problem.

1016
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: Right.

1017
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: So are the women of the Church of eleven twenty

1018
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: two have just been discipled? They're in there going go

1019
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: get them, pastor how can I help?

1020
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: My husband needs this, my son needs this. That's it.

1021
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: That's it now.

1022
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: Along with that, though the entire series that we did,

1023
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: it was a seven week series, stand Firman that, like men,

1024
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: my wife wrote the daily devotions for all the women

1025
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: of the church. Now men and women read them, but

1026
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: they I mean she wrote them, says like, all right,

1027
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: while Jobey's talking about what it means to fight for

1028
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: your family, men, ladies, here's what it looks like for

1029
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: you to fight for your fan. So we're trying to

1030
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: disciple men and women here. But there is not a

1031
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: godly woman that would argue that if her husband wasn't

1032
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: walking in a man worthy of the Gospel, then everything

1033
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: goes better.

1034
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: Right.

1035
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: We're living at a weird time, and I don't know

1036
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: if it's I think it's a weird time in Christianity.

1037
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's unusual, I guess, but I'm

1038
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: gonna goes back to Genesis chapter three, where God tells

1039
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: the woman that she would try to usurp the authority

1040
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: of the man. But I think we're seeing it in

1041
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: ways that it's become acceptable in the Christian community, in

1042
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: the Christian Church, where there's almost a Christian feminism that

1043
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: is not off there anymore. It's mainstream now. And yet

1044
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, I sat in the service last night. I

1045
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: don't know how many people were here, but the autorium

1046
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: was full. You had other campuses around the city that

1047
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: was a Thursday night Sunday. You're doing that twelve times,

1048
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: ten times.

1049
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: Over and over and over at eighteen campuses full Orlando

1050
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: to Brunswick.

1051
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: And when I look around, I don't see sixty five

1052
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: year old women, although there are older women, I see,

1053
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: you know, eighteen, nineteen, twenty thirty, right, young women who

1054
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: are engaged and are excited and are learning. What's what's

1055
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: different If there's something different about your approach to speaking

1056
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: on men the role of men that speaks to young

1057
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: women like that.

1058
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: Well, we don't have a men's or women's ministry here.

1059
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 3: We have a church that's good and it's for men

1060
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: and women. I mean, that's just it. You know, we

1061
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: have some events every once in a while focused in

1062
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: those areas. But we're just trying to disciple people. And

1063
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: oftentimes I will say, all right, ladies, I'm talking to

1064
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: the men. But you are totally smart enough to make

1065
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: the transfer here, you know, right. And even though the

1066
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: entire year is focused on men standing for me at

1067
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: like men, all that did was help guide where the

1068
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: sermon series go. So, I mean from the first of

1069
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: January to Easter, we just did one Timothy and Titus.

1070
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: Well, obviously that's for men and women. But the reason

1071
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: I picked those books is because Paul was trying to

1072
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: raise up these two young men to lead. That's good,

1073
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: and so that's it. Yeah. We don't have women's ministry

1074
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: or men's ministry. Yeah, we just have church. We just

1075
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: make disciples. Yeah, that's good.

1076
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: And we have men and women in disciple groups, and

1077
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: we have men's groups and we have women's groups, and

1078
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: we have mixed groups. And so you just decide based

1079
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: on your station in life. What is faul, Yeah, what

1080
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: is God calling you to do?

1081
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: That's good?

1082
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, stand firm, act like men. I think this is

1083
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: probably I'm guessing a book that reflects a lot of

1084
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: years of prayer, teaching understanding.

1085
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Engagement. Why now, why did you write this? Now?

1086
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: You know, the timeliness of books is always interesting to me,

1087
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: But what did you see happening right now where you went?

1088
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: I need to not just teach on it, but I

1089
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: need to put it together in a way that I

1090
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: can hand to people.

1091
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Speaker 1: Well, anybody who's written a book knows that by the

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Speaker 1: time it hits the shelf. It was like two years

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Speaker 1: before that surely started.

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Speaker 3: Sure what I saw mostly there was men being blamed

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Speaker 3: for being men, that they were the problem, that this

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Speaker 3: idea that anything mainly was toxic masculinity. And so the

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Speaker 3: best thing you can do is just shut up and

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Speaker 3: be quiet and maybe, you know, feminize yourself a little more.

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Speaker 3: I man, it was just God's providence on the timing

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Speaker 3: of when it came out. Like I said before, I

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Speaker 3: think the pendulum is swinging too far the other way.

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Speaker 3: And it's also set up for a book I'm going

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Speaker 3: to be doing in.

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Speaker 1: Two years from now that's on the Song of Solomon. Love, sex,

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Speaker 1: dating and relationships.

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Speaker 3: And so if men don't get there act together first,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you go all the way back to Genesis

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Speaker 3: that Adam was instructed to get his world in order

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Speaker 3: to think about it. He named all the animals before

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Speaker 3: God was like, okay, your world is in order. Now

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Speaker 3: I can bring one of my daughters into your world.

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Speaker 3: And so a big part of what I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: do for our church is get our men's world in

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Speaker 3: order before we get to start. Because and the other

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Speaker 3: thing is, the publishers have been asking me to do

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Speaker 3: the Song of Solomon for my first book, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I refuse to do that, all right. So the first

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Speaker 3: one I did was if the tomb is empty, it's

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Speaker 3: just all about the resurrection. The second one was anything

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Speaker 3: as possible because of the resurrection, you can live the

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Speaker 3: way Christ talk to you to live.

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Speaker 1: The third one was run over by the grace trains.

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Speaker 1: So these are just gospel gospel, gospel gospel.

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Speaker 3: This book is to set up men, get your house

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Speaker 3: in order, so that when I do write the Relationship book,

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Speaker 3: we're ready for it, because this thing is bathed in

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Speaker 3: the gospel. And I also I did not want to

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Speaker 3: be known as like the sex pastor the guy's talking

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Speaker 3: about love, sex and dating all this.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, well there's the whole Council of God, right,

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Speaker 2: and you know it's in there. You got to talk

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Speaker 2: about it, correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that order.

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Speaker 2: Most people wouldn't start there, right, they would start with

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Speaker 2: the popular series on sex and relationships or whatever. But

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Speaker 2: getting your house in order first, Yeah, what do you

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Speaker 2: hope someone will walk away with? They've read it, they've

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Speaker 2: understood it. What do they walk away.

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Speaker 3: With simultaneously that they would know? Man, I can't pull

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Speaker 3: this off on my own. I got no chance of

1141
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Speaker 3: doing this, So I better beend my need to Jesus.

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Speaker 3: And like I've said one hundred times, when I'm filled

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Speaker 3: with the spirit of God, there's nothing that's impossible. So

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Speaker 3: if God's called me to it, then he will provide

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Speaker 3: a way for me to accomplish it.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully there's a lot of challenge and a lot

1148
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Speaker 3: of encouragement. I'm gonna tell you the butt kicker for

1149
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: me was the last chapter that a lot of times

1150
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Speaker 3: when men do men's.

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Speaker 1: Conferences and stuff, you know. First Gradian sixteen thirteen is

1152
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Speaker 1: very very popular verse and they leave out verse fourteen,

1153
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Speaker 1: but it's a part of it. Verse fourteen says, let

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Speaker 1: everything you do be done in love. That's good. So

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Speaker 1: the fighting stuff, dude, I'm all for it. Be strong.

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Speaker 1: I am strong. Okay, to be a man, no problem,

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Speaker 1: you know, be alert. No, I got that, And then

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Speaker 1: I read that last verse. Let everything you do be

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Speaker 1: done in love. And you don't have to guess what

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Speaker 1: Paul means.

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Speaker 3: You just back up three chapters in the same book,

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Speaker 3: and the Bible just says, this is what love is.

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Speaker 3: It's not like love is like he tells a story,

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Speaker 3: because love his patient.

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Speaker 1: Love is kind love. It just not in me loves

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Speaker 1: it's not both keeps no record of wrong. How about this?

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Speaker 1: Love does not demand its own way.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of times what you're talking about happens

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Speaker 3: is men think they're tough because they're rude and they're

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Speaker 3: just telling the truth and they demand their own way.

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Speaker 1: They're right. And then in that context, Paul says, when

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Speaker 1: I was a child, I act to like a child.

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Speaker 1: But when I became the childish ways behind me, and

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Speaker 1: so men think by demanding my own way, I'm being

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Speaker 1: a man. And Paul's like, Noah, dude, you're being a child.

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Speaker 1: Quit acting like a toddler because you think being tough

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Speaker 1: makes you a man. No, no, no, you're acting like a baby.

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Speaker 3: So take responsibility and let everything you do be done

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Speaker 3: in love. And I'm just going to tell you that

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Speaker 3: that is the struggle for me. You know, like when

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Speaker 3: I walk in my house, just peace walk in with me.

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00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: Because what's crazy is in most of our lives you

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Speaker 3: get rewarded for the things that will kill you at home. Sure,

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Speaker 3: because I mean, I imagine you're I mean to lead

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Speaker 3: mighty oaks, bro.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're clear a visionary. You got Bible versus you.

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Speaker 3: Do what people tell you to do and they do it,

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Speaker 3: and if not, you fire them and get somebody that will. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you try to add like that at home?

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Speaker 1: How does that go? And what you're what we got

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Speaker 1: to do is like.

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Speaker 3: Shift gears and Jesus and John thirteen to show the

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Speaker 3: full extent of his love to his disciples, dressed himself

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Speaker 3: as the lowest and served. And then Paul's like, so

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Speaker 3: that's manhood, not beating my chest because I make the.

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Speaker 1: Money and if a burglar breaks in, I'll shoot him

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Speaker 1: in the face. Okay, cool, you need to do both

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Speaker 1: of those things. But then you also better take out

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Speaker 1: the trash and do the dishes and do whatever it

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Speaker 1: takes to serve your family. It's crazy, you know.

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Speaker 2: I always say that Philippins Chapter two is the most

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Speaker 2: powerful leadership versus or passage in all the Bible. But

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Speaker 2: I tie that to Ephesians five, where husbands are told

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Speaker 2: the otherwise is Christ love the church?

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Speaker 1: What does that look like?

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Speaker 2: It looks like Afesian or flipping chapter two, where being

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Speaker 2: in the form of God thought it not robbery, so

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Speaker 2: he knows he's God, never doubted he was God, but

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Speaker 2: pumped himself, made himself from a reputation, took upon in

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Speaker 2: the former servant, and died in our place on the cross.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So when we think about love and this is this

1213
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Speaker 2: is that friction I think between masculinity and Christianity, we

1214
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Speaker 2: sometimes trade one for the other. We say, well, I

1215
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Speaker 2: can't be loving and be that masculine man. At the

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Speaker 2: same time, how masculine do you have to be to

1217
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Speaker 2: walk to a cross to allow your creation to murder you.

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Speaker 1: When you don't have to. He didn't have to do that.

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Speaker 1: He was doing just fun.

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Speaker 2: He didn't he didn't need us, correct, And he didn't

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Speaker 2: do it for himself.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: He did it because we needed him too. And that's

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Speaker 2: that decision to love, That's what Ephesians five is talking

1225
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: about and that's what love looks like. And to say

1226
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Speaker 2: there's a more masculine picture than Jesus Christ walking to

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Speaker 2: the cross is to completely misunderstand the Bible.

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Speaker 3: We did a roundtable discussion about this book months ago.

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Speaker 3: It just came out like on all the places where

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Speaker 3: you can watch that YouTube and podcast and whatever. And

1231
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Speaker 3: I had some just incredible men talking about this book.

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Speaker 3: Is Matt Handler, Ben Stewart, Matt Carter, Drew Parker, Country

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Speaker 3: Music Center here, Jeff Foxworthy, Michael Waddell, Big Hunter, Tim Tebow.

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Speaker 1: Those guys will do okay, Yeah, they'll do okay. Foxworthy

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00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: was the he was the godly sage among the group.

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Speaker 1: You often hear that attached to Jeff Foxworthy. Bro, I'm

1237
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: telling you yeah, And he said that what a great

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Speaker 1: definition of man.

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Speaker 3: He says, men just do what needs to be done.

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00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: So if that's changed diaper, you're a diaper changer, that's good.

1241
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Speaker 3: If that's take on another job, support your family, it's that.

1242
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Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter what the role is.

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Speaker 1: If that's washed disciples feet, then you dress yourself as

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Speaker 1: a servant that men just do what needs to be done.

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Speaker 1: That's good, Jeff Foxworthy, that's good, that's good. Yeah, he's

1246
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Speaker 1: the real deal.

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Speaker 2: And that's the picture of Jesus spending time with the kids.

1248
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Speaker 2: That's the picture of Jesus washing the feet.

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Speaker 1: It takes real security.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the only verse I have on my

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Speaker 3: ask his Galatians one to ten.

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Speaker 1: Am I now trying to win the approval of manner

1253
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Speaker 1: of God.

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Speaker 3: Because for all the outa boys I get, there's quite

1255
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Speaker 3: a few detractors, you know what I mean. And as

1256
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Speaker 3: I'm walking through the text, I mean my job, I'm

1257
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Speaker 3: the male man. I don't write it.

1258
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Speaker 1: I just deliver it.

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Speaker 3: So like when you're talking about, you know, women in

1260
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Speaker 3: leadership at church, who cares what I think?

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Speaker 1: This is just what it says. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: do what it says. So when you know who you are,

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Speaker 1: and Jesus knew that he was one with God, but

1264
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Speaker 1: he did not consider equality of God a thing to be.

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Speaker 3: Grasped or robbed. When you know who you are, then

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Speaker 3: there is no role too small for you. Like if

1267
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: serving is beneath you, leadership is beyond you. But if

1268
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 3: you think you got a flex for the approval of man,

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Speaker 3: then you were out of step with the way Jesus says.

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Speaker 3: It's just insecurity. That's what it is. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: just blake.

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Speaker 1: Well, and this is an issue.

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Speaker 2: Another area that I spent a lot of time pondering

1274
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Speaker 2: thinking on recently is insecurity and the insecurity that is

1275
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Speaker 2: in I think every man, all of us, dude, and

1276
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: we project it and then hide behind it and try

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Speaker 2: to protect it.

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Speaker 1: What's crazy is ego and insecurity actually just the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It is the same thing, two sides. It's the same thing,

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Speaker 1: the same thing.

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Speaker 3: I was doing a sermon on anger often misunderstood in

1282
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Speaker 3: the church and especially among men, right, and uh, I

1283
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 3: think I'm still in this from Tim Keller, but he said,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Bible says be slow to anger. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't say no anger, and it doesn't say blow up anger. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and the anger and said not correct. So the first

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Speaker 3: part of that is be angry. That's a command. If

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Speaker 3: there are some things that don't anger you, you were

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Speaker 3: not in set with God. I mean, there's the list

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Speaker 3: is long, that's right, all right? And then I think

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Speaker 3: tim Keller also said or somebody's way smarter than me.

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Speaker 3: That's passed away that I read said oftentimes anger is

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Speaker 3: just expressing love of through protection. Okay, So if somebody

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Speaker 3: attacks your kids and you get angry and do something

1295
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Speaker 3: about it, it's actually rooted in love. When Jesus turns

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Speaker 3: over the tables, it's because he loved God and he

1297
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Speaker 3: loved people, and they were in the gentile courts, keeping

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Speaker 3: the very people that God established the temple to reach.

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Speaker 3: So you know, they're making a mockery of God, and

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Speaker 3: so what is he protecting?

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Speaker 1: That's the question is what are you protecting?

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Speaker 3: And so holy righteous anger is when you are protecting

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00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: God's order, God's people, the.

1304
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: Glory of God, all right. Oftentimes when we get angry,

1305
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: what we're protecting is our image, and that's when it's unholy.

1306
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: It's good like you made me. James Ford.

1307
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: I love reading James because this is okay, the Bible's

1308
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: over here, I'm making this up, okay. But my take

1309
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: on James is like, all right, he grew up with Jesus,

1310
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 3: so and he doesn't come to faith until after the resurre,

1311
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: all right, and so when he writes his letter, he's like,

1312
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: no stories, I'm sick of this, Like, well, there's two

1313
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: birds on a hill, you know, No, no, I'm just

1314
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: going to tell you like it is. And in James

1315
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: four one, he asked a question. And here's how you

1316
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: know James is different. He answers his own question in

1317
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 3: the Bible. Most questions in the Bible are rhetorical, and

1318
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: he says, what causes fight some quarrels among you? And

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00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 3: then he answers it because you wanted something and you.

1320
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Speaker 1: Didn't get it.

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00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 3: You put that like, when you think you're being the man,

1322
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: is it just are you actually angry because you didn't

1323
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: get what you wanted and you're demanding your own way.

1324
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: And James is like, yeh, don't do that. Don't do that,

1325
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: and don't couch it in righteousness. Correct, And that's happening

1326
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: a lot these days.

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00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of angry people. But

1328
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: if the root of it is not righteousness.

1329
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: The root of is me, is me, And then there's

1330
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: some a lot of people that aren't angry the things

1331
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: they should be angry about it And the root of

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00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: that is also me too, because it costs too much.

1333
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Speaker 1: It makes me uncomfortable. You know, if I tell the

1334
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Speaker 1: truth in this situation, I'm going to get in trouble. Yeah, yeah, it's.

1335
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: Good two different people sitting across from you. One is

1336
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Speaker 2: a young man, maybe raised a little bit like you,

1337
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Speaker 2: didn't have a strong Christian father, didn't have that type

1338
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: of influence in their life. I was super blessed my dad.

1339
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: You know, we never had a formal like discipleship.

1340
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah thing.

1341
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: My dad's was a pastor and Christian and he just

1342
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: took me places with him. So everywhere I went, I

1343
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: was learning things right, So.

1344
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: I had that.

1345
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: But a lot of a lot of young men don't.

1346
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: What do you say to that young man. Maybe he

1347
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: came off of a camp experience, maybe not, but he

1348
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: knows he wants to serve.

1349
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: Jesus and live for Jesus.

1350
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: But the world is nuts, social media is crazy, the

1351
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: influences around him are terrible. Even Christians are saying you

1352
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: can do things that the Bible doesn't.

1353
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: Say you should be doing. What do you say to

1354
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: that guy? Well, first of all, I want to be

1355
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: clear about my dad.

1356
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: Even though we didn't go to church and he wasn't

1357
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 3: walking with the Lord until five years ago, I had

1358
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: a good day.

1359
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like he was.

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Speaker 3: In fact, from from swapping stories with a bunch of

1361
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 3: kids that grew up in church, I had a better

1362
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Speaker 3: example of who God the Father was by Perry Martin

1363
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: than most people.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: He ran a tight ship, boy, I mean there was

1366
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Speaker 3: no doubt about it. But here's the thing, man, he

1367
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 3: always showed up. He always took responsibility. He required us

1368
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: to do what was right because of our last name.

1369
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 3: So when I was a teenager reading that God is Father,

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01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: that made a ton of sense to me. Like in

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 3: every football game I look up. He lived three states away,

1372
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Speaker 3: and he was in the stands every wrestling match. And

1373
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 3: how boring a wrestling tournament is. He went to every

1374
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Speaker 3: one of them, you know, and so so to that,

1375
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Speaker 3: I would say, just because my dad, we didn't open

1376
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Speaker 3: the Bible and pray with me, he discipled me and

1377
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Speaker 3: what it means to be a man in incredible ways.

1378
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: I'm forever grateful. My brother is a police officer in

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Speaker 3: the county below us. He's like the number two in charge, guys,

1380
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Speaker 3: the director for the Saint John's County Sheriff's department.

1381
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Speaker 1: There's a sheriff in three directors. He's one of those.

1382
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Speaker 3: We are where we are because we're Perry Martin's children. Okay, Now,

1383
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: if you have a horrible experience with your earthly father.

1384
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Speaker 1: You don't have a Perry Martin, We'll have a dad

1385
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: who cares.

1386
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Speaker 3: Then, God is not the reflection of your earthly father.

1387
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 3: He is the perfection of what it means to be father.

1388
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Speaker 3: And God has a special place in his heart for

1389
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Speaker 3: the fatherless.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the reason it hurts so bad is because that

1391
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: person misused God's title. That's why that wound is so deep.

1392
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 3: And so go to the Father that Secondly, wherever the

1393
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: ideal is unrealized, grace of bounds. This is why the

1394
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: local church but the primary type of language that the

1395
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: New Testament uses about the church his family. And in fact,

1396
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Speaker 3: Paul tells the Corinthians, You've got plenty of teachers, not

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Speaker 3: enough fathers.

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Speaker 1: So just find you a father figure in your local church.

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Speaker 3: Or it could be a coach on a ball team,

1400
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 3: or it could be somebody that you meet at Mighty Oaks.

1401
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: But just and you.

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01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: Because of the blessing of technology, you can learn from

1403
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and so you can surround yourself digitally. Also,

1404
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of really godly men that have written

1405
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: some really great books that have been dead.

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Speaker 1: For one hundred years.

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Speaker 3: You should read some of those books, you can be

1408
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 3: fathered kind of like the Book of Hebrews talks about

1409
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 3: we are surrounded. We are surrounded by this cloud of witnesses.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, if you're a young man, when you're

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01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: real young, you can kind of pick a guy to

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Speaker 3: mentor you.

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Speaker 1: You really can.

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Speaker 3: As you get like into your forties, you're probably gonna

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01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: need like five guys. There's going to be like a

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01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: financial guy, a physical family guy, a spiritual guy, you

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01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: know that kind of thing. So, I think one of

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Speaker 3: the great fallacies of our time right now is most

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01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: people spend so much energy blaming their current condition on

1420
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 3: some other system that's not their fault.

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01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: There's a major problem there.

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01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 3: What God has put in you is greater than whatever

1423
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: set of circumstances you find yourself in. And if the

1424
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 3: tomb is empty, anything is possible, including you being the

1425
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 3: man that God called you to be. So take extreme ownership.

1426
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 3: To use the Jocko frames, take extreme ownership of your manhood,

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01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: and invite some men into your life.

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01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: Go find those people. Listen to guy that.

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Speaker 3: When I was I was a youth pastor at Beach

1430
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 3: and I just started getting invited to the adult meetings.

1431
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 3: You know, I was like in my early thirties in

1432
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: the phrase like a finance meeting or something, and the

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01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 3: first one I ever go to. I'm sitting there and

1434
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 3: you know it's committee driven and you know how that

1435
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 3: stuff goes at church, and wasn't super pumped to be there.

1436
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: And there was a guy named Lars Peterson and he

1437
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: was the last person to talk, and I thought, that's

1438
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 3: the smartest man I've ever heard speak.

1439
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is the smartest guy in the

1440
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: room by far.

1441
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 3: And I immediately walked up to him after that and said, hey,

1442
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: I'm jobey because I know who you are. And I go, well,

1443
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: will you take me to breakfast? And he's like me

1444
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 3: take you. I'm like, dude, I'm a youth pastor. I

1445
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: can't afford breakfast, right, so I need you to pay

1446
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: for it, but I need will you do this? And

1447
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 3: can we meet every other week?

1448
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: Three years later when we planted the church, he was

1449
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: the chairman of the board of elders and he is

1450
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: still the most influential man in my life over the

1451
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: last fifteen years. And I found him. Yeah. Now, I

1452
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: think it was my athletic background.

1453
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 3: I always loved a coach and the ones that were

1454
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: hardest on me.

1455
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: I loved him the most. And so this is a

1456
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: guy that I just went and asked, will you be

1457
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: in this role for me?

1458
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 3: And here's what's crazy. I knew the Bible way better

1459
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 3: than he knew it. I mean, I've got degrees in

1460
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 3: the stuff. Yeah, you know, but I didn't know how

1461
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: to live life like he was good of life. And

1462
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 3: so just invite people into your life that way.

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01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and believe that God has given you everything you

1464
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: need for godliness, for righteousness, to sort of the life

1465
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: that He's called you to live.

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Speaker 1: Correct. It's a war. Yeah, but we won, Yeah, yeah,

1467
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: we won. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Believe it though, believe it right. A lot of kids

1469
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: that don't get help because they don't believe it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And if you told how stupid they are, how untalented

1471
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: they are, how they'll never amount to anything, and so

1472
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 2: they just go, there's not a guy here you would

1473
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: want to want to help me.

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01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1475
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 3: And just as just as shady you mentioned it before,

1476
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 3: is the guy that should be mentoring thinks well, I mean,

1477
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: what do I have to What are you kidding?

1478
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: Man? That's good?

1479
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, a very challenging versus first

1480
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 3: Corinthians eleven to one. Paul says, follow me as I

1481
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 3: follow Christ. That's right, because here's what will happen. You

1482
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 3: start mentoring somebody and the catalyst of accountability in your

1483
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 3: own life, right right, telling somebody else how to live,

1484
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: It'll change you more than anything.

1485
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: You know why I know my Bible is so good.

1486
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: I got to preach it every four days.

1487
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: If I just read this thing devotionally, I might not

1488
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: ever make it out of First John and Psalms.

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01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: Yep, you know. But I got to know it because

1490
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: I got to train some other people in it.

1491
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: And then the other thing that the amount of times

1492
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 3: i've you know, I'm discipling a young married guy and

1493
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 3: I'm telling him how to be a husband, and then

1494
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm driving home going, oh crud man, I better tighten up.

1495
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 3: So actually everybody gets bussed. There is no one way discipleship.

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01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: That's good.

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01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the young young person looking for direction.

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01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: What do you say to a young dad he's got

1499
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: his kids, he wants to do things right. What does

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01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: he need to have in his life? And how does

1501
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: he communicate down to his kids? How do you raise

1502
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 2: them up?

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01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: Way more is Calton talk you need to spend a

1504
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: lot of time. Of course, you're teaching.

1505
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: Your kids one on one kind of things, especially when

1506
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 3: they're young, but getting him in the right environments is

1507
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 3: just as important. That's good, and probably the best thing

1508
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 3: is just be a man of integrity. So the word

1509
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: integrity comes from the word integer, which just means one.

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01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: It's really rooted in the Shema. When a lawyer says Jesus,

1511
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: what's the greatest commandment? He quotes this verse Sseuteronomy six

1512
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: y four. He said, the Lord, our God, the Lord

1513
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: is at hot is the Hebrew word. And it doesn't

1514
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: just mean like number one on a list of priorities.

1515
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: It means like God is the page on which you

1516
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: would write your priorities.

1517
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 3: And then he says, and when you see God that way,

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Speaker 3: when you know him, then you shall love the Lord

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01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 3: of your God with all heart, soul, minding strengths. And

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Speaker 3: this idea of compartmentalized lives is a very Western idea.

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01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: It was not a Middle Eastern idea. Jesus would say,

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Speaker 1: you got one and only.

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Speaker 3: Life, And so do your kids see, like is there

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Speaker 3: like work dad? And home dad? And ballfield dad and

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01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 3: social media dad? And at the party, dad, man. I mean,

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 3: kids can smell hypocrisy like a fart in a car.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're like, wait a minute, something is not

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Speaker 3: So can you rightly say before your kids follow me

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Speaker 3: as I follow Christ, because.

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Speaker 1: That will be the that And then this is huge too.

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Speaker 1: This is from fifteen years of student ministry. Love Mama.

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you what you want is secure kids.

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01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 3: And nothing will breed security in your children like Mama

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 3: and Daddy loving each other at home. And oftentimes what

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01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: we do is we got kids that are experientially rich

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01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 3: and relationally poor. You know, they go on these great

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01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 3: trips and they got a four hundred and fifty dollars

1539
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 3: baseball bat, which is ridiculous. They see three good pitches

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01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 3: all season. But whatever they and they think. You know,

1541
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 3: if I buy them all this stuff, it's going to

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01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 3: mean something. But yeah, if they don't feel that like

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01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 3: love never fails kind of security at home, there's gonna

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01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: be some serious insecurity in your children. So it says counterintuitive.

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01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 3: One of the best things you can do for your

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01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 3: children is never stop dating your wife and look at

1547
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 3: them in the face and be like, we're leaving the house,

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01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: where are we going. We're going to your favorite restaurant.

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 3: Can we come? You cannot? You cannot come because me

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01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 3: and Mama needs some face to face time.

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Speaker 1: Man. That's good. Yeah, there's just a couple of things.

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01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: That's good. Man.

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01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: I could talk to you all day, but I won't

1554
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 2: one more. Your time is valuable.

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01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: Pray over them, Pray the word over them. I pray

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: so I'm one, thirty nine and fourteen over my daughter

1557
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: every night, man, right, because she lives in a world

1558
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: that says, if you're not beautiful, you're not. I want

1559
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: her to know she's fearfully, wonderfully made, that God's works

1560
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: are wonderful and if she's one of them, and I

1561
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: need her to know that full well, that's good.

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01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: I prayed some one over JP every single night when

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01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 3: he now was, you know, tucking him in and then

1564
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 3: what's going to happen? You're a dad, you know this.

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01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: When they're little, they try to like manipulate that bedtime

1566
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: to stay up longer, use it, ud use it. Some

1567
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: of the best conversations you'll ever have. Try to have

1568
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: conversations about their heart, not just their activities.

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01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 3: What did you do today as a question, but how

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01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 3: did that make you feel what's going on there. You're

1571
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 3: just trying to because honestly, it kind of doesn't really

1572
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: matter when they're in the third grade. What you're trying

1573
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 3: to do is create the kind of environment as they

1574
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: get older, they're used to talking to their parents about

1575
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 3: these kinds of things because at one time in your

1576
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: life you have total control and one day you're going

1577
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 3: to zero control.

1578
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: But you want to still have influence that.

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01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 3: You know, your twenty fourty year old son, he n

1580
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 3: do anything he wants to do, but you want when

1581
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: he's got a major decision, you want to be a

1582
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,440
Speaker 3: source of influence in his life through relationship.

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01:09:59,520 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: That's good.

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, my wife taught me that more than

1585
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: any one person, how to talk to our kids about

1586
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 2: everything and to do it intentionally. You know, the dinner

1587
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 2: table is very important to us in our in our home.

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01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: I've got four kids. I've got two girls, two boys,

1589
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: and so those conversations get wild sometimes and there are

1590
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: times where I'm like, dude, can we just not talk.

1591
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm like just trying to eat, you know, and spend

1592
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: a long day. But my wife has always really leaned

1593
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 2: into those conversations, and when they were little, that was

1594
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: one thing, but as they've gotten older, that continues to

1595
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: be the place where, in spite of the craziness of

1596
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: the world, they're able to have And to your point,

1597
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 2: it's because an environment was created, and I'd like to

1598
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: take credit for it.

1599
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: I was just along for the ride at that point

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01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: for it.

1601
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: But an environment was created where you can talk about

1602
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: anything that you want to talk about, and we expect

1603
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: you to talk about anything that you want to talk about.

1604
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 2: My kids go to my two youngest go to Christian school,

1605
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: and they do a lot of things that would make

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01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: them a Christian school. They don't do a lot of

1607
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: things that I would They would though make them a

1608
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 2: Christian school. And so they have interesting conversations and Bible

1609
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: classes and those kind of things. And our kids are

1610
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: equipped to have those conversations and go deep on the

1611
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: Bible and respond to even adults who are teaching things

1612
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: that we wouldn't agree with in our home. Correct because

1613
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: of years of sitting around a kitchen table and just

1614
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: talking about stuff.

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, we started, man, Listen, you know how many family

1616
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: devotionals I've tried to lead and they don't go good.

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01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 2: I feel bad sometimes because I just I've tried like, hey,

1619
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: we're gonna pray together, read the scripture together, or do

1620
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 2: this thing, and it just we've done it over the years.

1621
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: But I think the devotional time has been what's going on,

1622
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: let's talk about that?

1623
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: What does the Bible say about that? Which is terrible.

1624
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a pro with the people pay me

1625
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 3: money and put me on airplanes to talk to them whatever,

1626
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 3: so right, and I would feel like such an utter

1627
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 3: failure there. But the best discipleship that ever happened around

1628
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 3: our tables is we just would go what's your high

1629
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,520
Speaker 3: and low of the day and week? And because everybody

1630
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 3: can say, here's something I'm into, here's something that didn't

1631
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 3: go good, And because if you're wondering, how all right,

1632
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 3: how do I get into that conversation?

1633
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: High low is like one of the easiest things to do.

1634
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you know that's good. Yeah, that's good.

1635
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: Where can people get the book or where would you

1636
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: like for them to get I'm sure they get it anywhere.

1637
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 3: Work, They can get it anywhere if you go to

1638
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 3: I think you go to Jobeymartin dot com and find

1639
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 3: out anything you want to know about where I'm preaching

1640
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 3: or what I've preached.

1641
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: Or books or all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and

1642
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: you four podcasts, is that what you said? Yeah?

1643
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got one called Bill for More all about

1644
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 3: athletes and Jesus. The Daily Blade called Thompson and I

1645
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 3: do that together. It's just a five minute men's devotional,

1646
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: so think locker room talk. You know, my sermons eleven

1647
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 3: twenty two sermons are out there. And then we do

1648
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 3: a podcast called Deepen where we just do a deep

1649
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 3: dive into the sermon material that maybe didn't make it

1650
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 3: on stage.

1651
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Speaker 1: It's awesome.

1652
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: Thank you, but thank you man, No, I really appreciate it.

1653
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: Thanks for the time and your wisdom and what you're doing.

1654
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, thank you for all that you're

1655
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 3: doing to not just what you have done to put

1656
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 3: your life on the line for people you don't know,

1657
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 3: like me, but also what you're doing and to continue

1658
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: to put your life on the line for guys who

1659
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 3: have put their got men and women put their life

1660
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 3: on the line.

1661
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the opportunity. But uh, yeah, appreciate it.

1662
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1663
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 2: So as you're listening, thank you for listening. If you watching,

1664
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: thank you for watching. If you haven't subscribed, do it

1665
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 2: right now. If you haven't gone to YouTube. Check that out.

1666
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Speaker 2: Go to YouTube search for the March or Dice Show

1667
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Speaker 2: and you can find out more information about us there.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Talk to you next time.