1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Well, I helped you out a great weekend, and just 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: like that, Amfest twenty twenty five Turning Point USA's big 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: annual conference out in Phoenix, Arizona. It is in the books. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: What a lively conference it was. What does it mean? 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Where do we stand right now when it comes to 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: the right, when it comes to the conservative movement. There's 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: been a lot of chatter about this. You've heard a 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: lot of different perspectives on this very question at the 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: conference itself. I've got my own thoughts in today's episode 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: of The Josh Hammer Show. So on Friday's show we 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: covered a little bit the opening night of the Amfest conferences. 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: Conference began on Thursday, again Turning Point USA's big annual conference. 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: This was really Charlie Kirk's super Bowl, he referred to 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: it as and it is the first Amfest without without 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirks. The Turning Point holds multiple big events. They 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: host a lot of conferences. Among their biggest conferences are 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: this Amfest conference, their Student Action Summit, which is typically 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: in Tampa, Florida. That is the event where I debated 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Dave Smith, the liberty bearing comedian, on foreign policy and 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: so forth. 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: Just over the summer in July. So this was anfes. 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: This is the granddaddy of them all, as the college 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: football commentators once said about the Rose Bowl happening on 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: New Year's Day, and it was the first one that 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: happened since the horrific assassination of my friend, of our friend, 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. And the conference began on a poignance. Note 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: you had, you had Erica Kirk, his widow. And by 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: the way, they really are not enough amazing things to 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: say about Erica Kirk either, I mean, just extraordinary from 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: her very first remarks two days after the assassination. I 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: remember she did it from the Charlie Kirk Show studio 32 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: there in the broader Phoenix area. I actually was out 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas speaking at a conference, and I remember 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: watching that in my hotel room. Was on a Friday, 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: early evening, so it was just before I was ready 36 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: to wind down for the Jewish Sabbath, a Sabbath which 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk also observed, by the way, per his new book. 38 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: And I was watching this Erica Kirks beaching just totally 39 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: blown away. And I've just been continue blown away by 40 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: Erica time and time again. And she did not disappoint 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: in her opening remarks on Thursday. Now, the very first 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: speech that came after Erica Kirk's introductory comments, as we 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: discussed on Friday show, was Ben Shapiro. And Ben Shapiro's 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: speech really launched this conference into a different direction, I 45 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: think than many had necessarily predicted it a go. I'm 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: not at all saying that it was a bad direction. 47 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: By the way, I've known Ben for a very very 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: long time. I more or less knew what Ben was 49 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: going to say this conference, and I'm really happy, frankly, 50 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: that he did it. And we're not going to go 51 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: on a great length, but long story short, what Ben 52 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: Shapiro did in his conference tone setting speech at AMFS 53 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five was he essentially said that, yes, the 54 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: radical Left remains this massive, gargantuan threat, and the radical 55 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: Left is indeed the number one threat facing the United States, period, 56 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: full stop, end of story. No one denies that I 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: fight the radical left every single. 58 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: Day my life. 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: Presumably, if you're watching this show, then you also finding 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: the radical left. These people are moral, philosophical, intellectual monsters. 61 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: They have a violent streak. The left has had a 62 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: violent streak since the Jacobins of the French Revolution almost 63 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: two and a half centuries ago. They are increasing resorting 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: to political violence. Harvard University pull Over the Summer is 65 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: showing that over thirty percent of Harvard students say the 66 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: political violence can be acceptable, perhaps even necessary, to deprive 67 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: certain conservatives like me and you of being able to 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: speak publicly on the issues. I mean, the left is 69 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: monstrous in its current generation. I have nothing but the 70 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: absolute worst thing to say about the radical lefts. 71 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure Benda's. 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: Too, for what it's worth, but he decided to focus 73 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: his speech on the rot within the house, and he 74 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: was calling out names. He was not mincing words. He 75 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: was calling out people like Candice Owns perhaps above all, 76 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: like Tucker Carlson as well other people who found themselves 77 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: in Ben's crossing Prris on Thursday evening, where Steve Bennon 78 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: and Making. 79 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: Kelly as well. 80 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: So this set the tone for this for this conference 81 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: because it was the first speech and it was a 82 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: pretty powerful speech and there were a lot of raucous 83 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: applause lines, and there were a lot of eyeballs there 84 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: because it was just after Erica Kirk opens the conference there, 85 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: so we had a series of individuals over the weekend 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: then who were responding to this speech, ultimately culminating in 87 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: a Vice President Jade Vance's capstone remarks at an FS 88 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five coming on Sunday. Now, the first thing 89 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: to note is that there's been a lot of debate 90 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: over the extent to which Ben's comments were helpful, whether 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: this was the right venue for that. I've seen a 92 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: lot of folks say that, oh, we know, Charlie Kirk 93 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: stood for nothing if not free speech. To the notion 94 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: that we are criticizing others within the tent, you know, again, 95 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: whole decide what the tent actually is, right, That's kind 96 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: of the whole argument there. But if I've seen a 97 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: lot of folks say that, oh, this is this never 98 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: would have passed muster with Charlie Kirk, I'm not entirely 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: sure that that is right, which I will elaborate on 100 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: here momentarily. But another man who thinks that it is 101 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily right is Scott Jennings. Scott Jennings are our 102 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: fellow show host here at the Sale and Podcast Network, 103 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: also Scott Jennings of CNN. Scott Jennings had a very 104 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: different take than what I just presented. When it comes 105 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: to Benjapiro's conference opening speech, go ahead and take a 106 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: listen or watch Scott Jennings. 107 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: I don't personally like all this in fighting myself, but 108 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: on the issue of Israel, and on the issue of 109 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: whether we're going to platform anti semitism or platform holocaust deniers, 110 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: I know where I am, and that is we're a 111 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: political party, not a sponge, and we don't have to 112 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 3: soak up everything that oozes in. 113 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: Under the door. 114 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 4: How do you, I mean, what the Candizone thing that 115 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: you mentioned. I mean, so I'm Megan Kelly, there, so 116 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 4: Steve Benn and there are other figures essentially siding with 117 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: candaz Owan's right over Ben Shapiro. 118 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: No why, I don't know. It's somewhat complicated to me 119 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: with these personalities and their interplay. I know this platforming 120 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: and absorbing hateful ideologies and conspiracy theories, especially regarding Charlie's murder, 121 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: are the opposite of helpful and certainly the opposite of 122 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: what I would consider it to be in good taste, 123 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 3: good form. 124 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So towards the end, there's Scott talking about really 125 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 1: he's not naming her, my name. He's talking about Cantons 126 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: owns and these outrageous conspiracy theories that have happened since 127 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Charlie's horrific assassination, Those conspiracy theories that are implicating people 128 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: like me, that are inlaying people like the turning Point 129 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: USA staffer is tragically, that are implicating people like Erica 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: Kirk as well, Which is what makes Megan Kelly, among others, 131 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: so cowardly for feeling to take a stand between this 132 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: grieving widow and mother of two young children and this 133 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: unhinged Nazi esque conspiracist loanbag there now, towards the beginning 134 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: of Scot's remarks that you just heard he's talking a 135 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: little bit about about Israel. To me, this is a misconception. 136 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: This debate is not about Israel. How many times to 137 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: the word Israel come out of Ben Shapiro's mouth in 138 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: his conference opening speech thurs the night ready for this 139 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: zero Now, there was one questionnaire who was talking about 140 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: the USS liberty. 141 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: We'll not get into that. 142 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: It was an unfortunate accident of the Israeli military mistaking 143 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and American vessel for an Egyptian vessel friendly fire. Terrible 144 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: story from the nineteen sixties seven War, almost sixty years ago, 145 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: a lot of anti Semitic conspirats, as to bring it 146 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: up to this day, that was the only time that 147 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: the word Israel came out of Ben Shapiro's mouth. So 148 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: this conversation, more generally speaking, is actually really not about Israel. 149 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: In fact, I actually was just I was just given 150 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: access to I was made privy to a poll just 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: this morning of the Anthes twenty twenty five conference attendees, 152 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: and they basically asked a lot of the attendees. They 153 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: are questions on a host of issues there. Now, just 154 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: for context, when I debated Dave Smith at the Student 155 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: National Summit Turning Point conference back in July, the one 156 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: in Tampa, Florida, there I was gen similar data from 157 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: the Turning Point USA leaders as well, and they actually 158 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: did ask the Israel question, pro Israel not pro Israel. 159 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: Seventy three percent said pro Israel back in July. So now, 160 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: according to the data that I've just been given, this 161 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: is internal, internal data, so I can't necessarily reveal who's 162 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: shared with you or anything like that. These are the 163 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: am Fast twenty twenty five attendees, which best describes your 164 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: view of Israel, fifty three point four percent says one ally. 165 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: Of many thirty three point three percent says America's top 166 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: ally ally, only thirteen point three percent say not an ally. 167 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: So this is basically an eighty seven to thirteen issue, 168 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: which makes sense based in the fact that, well, among others, 169 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's speech was heavily applaud and Tucker Carlson's was nuts. 170 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: But this is this is part of the deliberate misinformation operation. 171 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm definitely not saying Scot Jennings say, Scott Jennings is 172 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: absolutely amazing, but this broader notion that Israel is the 173 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: divide factor here, I mean, what pulling are the folks 174 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: who think that it is? What exactly are you guys 175 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: looking at there? I don't understand this eighty seven to 176 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: seventeen issue on an FS twenty twenty five tens. But 177 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: by the way, again, that's difference just from this two 178 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: natter summone over the summers. Charlie Kirk was long of 179 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: the opinion that after the war and Gaza ends, a 180 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: lot of this sentiment, even among the younger conservatives whose 181 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: views have been the subject of such intense debates. Charlie 182 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: thought that after the war and God was over, that 183 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: a lot of this would revert to medium and then 184 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: come back to normal there. And sure enough it seems 185 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: like it has. But I want to emphasize again that 186 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: the conversation is not about that. The conversation is about 187 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: are we allowing anti American, anti Western civilization lunacy into 188 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: this movement? The question, in many ways is what is 189 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: the movement in. 190 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: The first place. 191 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: As we've said time and time again on this show, 192 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: it is a true that if you seek to welcome 193 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: in all views in the conservative marketplace of ideas, literally 194 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: all views, then paradoxically, ironically, you are actually not conserving 195 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: anything at all. If you seek to conserve everything, then 196 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: you're actually conserving nothing whatsoever. Simultaneously, it should be obvious, 197 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: it should be self evident that there are some views 198 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: that are so beyond the pale that we can demonstrably 199 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: clearly your refutably say that view, and that individual, because 200 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: he or she holds that of you dearly and sincerely, 201 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: is not part of the movement. If you support a 202 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: taxpayer funded chemical castration, general mutilation for confused kid the gardeners, 203 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: to take a very extreme example, get the heck out, buddy, 204 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: You're not part of this movement. Sayonara bye, no way, 205 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: no way in hell. You support abortion up to the 206 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: eighth ninth month of God like the philosopher Peter Singer, 207 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: this attlebrans leftist at prince Ing University who supports quote 208 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: unquote post birth abortion, akine fanticide, Get the heck out 209 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: of here. You are not part of this movement. Once 210 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: upon a time there was similar consensus that if you 211 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: are an overt racist, you are an overt anti Semite, 212 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: an overt anti Christian bigot, that you were not part 213 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: of the movement either. That's essentially more or less half 214 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: of what Ben and many of us have been asserting 215 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: and preaching and trying to do. We are trying to 216 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: save the right, trying to save the movement by preventing 217 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: it from being absorbed, subjugating, destroyed by a pernicious all 218 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: hands on deck brain rots up, a brain rots operation 219 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: by pernicious cynical commons. People someone whom have large megaphones 220 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: and large newsletters subscriber bases, who are deliberately, oftentimes trying 221 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: to make you stupid. And they're trying to make you 222 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: stupid because they think that by making you stupid that 223 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: they are going to gain market share. They think you're dumb, 224 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: and frankly, they seem to think that they're dumb as well. 225 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: But the responsibility of those of us who are privileged 226 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: to have some sort of medium or media of addressing 227 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: are fellow Americans, whether it's a microphone, a keyboard, to 228 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: publish columns, op ense newsletters, whether it's a camera, whatever 229 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: it is these days, anyone who has a social media 230 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: and a smartphone, basically you're essentially you have a platform. 231 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: Right So those of us who have platforms that engage 232 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: in the public contestation of ideas, it is not our 233 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: responsibility to rot your brain. On the contrary, it is 234 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: our responsibility to do the opposite, Not to enervate your 235 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: mental capacities, but to elevate them, to make you better informed, 236 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: to make you smarter and wiser, to have a greater 237 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: intellectual and philosophical grounding, to be able then to deduce 238 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: and to reach your own conclusions in a logical fashion. 239 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes those inclusions might not agree with those of us 240 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: who have the platform in the first place, and that's 241 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: okay as long as you have the correct tools and 242 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: the correct modes of analysis in order to reason, but 243 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: unhinged conspiracism, the likes of which we hear from Candae Elements. 244 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson recently had this nine to eleven series where 245 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: he's seemingly asking a lot of questions about nine to 246 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: eleven Trutherism. How exactly is that part of our movement? 247 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: How exactly is that part of our movement? I just 248 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: understand it, And there are a lot of folks still 249 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: doubling down that that it is. Frankly, so for instance, 250 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: go ahead and go ahead to take a listen to it, 251 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: or watch Donald Trump Junior at AMFS twenty twenty five. 252 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 5: What binds us together, what matters more than the disagreements, 253 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 5: is the ability to have that discourse. The real enemy 254 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 5: it's not Steve Bannon or Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro. 255 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 5: It's the radical left that murdered Charlie and celebrated it 256 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 5: on a daily basis. 257 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so again, there's a few things going on here, 258 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: some of which are true, some of which are not. 259 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: The biggest enemy, absolutely is the radical left. As we 260 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: spend the vanced majority of our show day and day 261 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: out explaining these people are trying to trans your kids. 262 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: They are trying to open the borders. They're trying to 263 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: destroy historical America. They're trying to uproot your religion and 264 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: your morals and your values out of the public speare 265 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: are trying to abolish the market economy, trying to pack 266 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Polish to you a Senate about the 267 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: electoral college. 268 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: Need I go on? 269 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: They are the threat Donald Trump Junior, you are a 270 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: thousand percent correct on that, congratulations. But if the right 271 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: is going to take the fight to the left, we 272 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: actually have to know what we stand for. And when 273 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: you welcome in everything, you don't actually stand for anything. 274 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: Delineations borders, some sense of affirmative positive standing for something, 275 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: not just against something. That is a sinaqon. No, it 276 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: is a necessary condition. You have to have it for 277 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: a political movement to be viable. Some things, by definition 278 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: are in, some are out. By the way, how do 279 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: I know that among other things? Well, one's just common sense. 280 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: Must have portnly too. Do you know who agreed with 281 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: me on that? Charlie Kirk, the individual who gave Charlie Kirk, 282 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: who caused him more pain and suffering in his entire 283 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: adult lifetime running Turning On USA him and his is 284 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: now grieving widow, Erica. The individu would cause them. I 285 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: would argue more pain suffering than anyone else. Nick Flinn 286 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: does someone who There were myriad videos on YouTube, on 287 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: the internets, on the Instagram meals. You can go chat 288 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: and check them out of what does getting the shouting 289 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: matches with Turning Points staffers. Over the years, he was 290 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: repeatedly denied entrance to the conferences. He would shout with 291 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: the megaphone outside. Go ahead and watch the clips of 292 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Charlie and how angry he was at Flentis. Just in 293 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: early September, this must have been a week week and 294 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: a half before the horrific assassination in Utah. My friend 295 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: and colleague here at the Salem Podcast Network, Denesh JASUSA, 296 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: agreed to debate. Nick finnd Does and Alex Jones hosted debate, 297 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: and Charlie was livid. He was livid at Dnesh for 298 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: doing that. He personally encouraged me, said, Josh, you should 299 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: take out your frustrations with Denesh. Tell how you feel 300 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: as well. I didn't do it. I thought the Danesh 301 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: actually really handled front as quite well. I thought that 302 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: Denesh did a great job actually, but Charlie did not 303 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: think that when this should be given, that didn't need 304 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: a platform. He absolutely believed in the nature of a 305 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: coalition and line drun I mentioned the USS liberty, this 306 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that Israel directly attacked an American ship and 307 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't just friendly fire, as tragedy has happened all 308 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: throughout military history for thousands of years. Well, there's another 309 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: clip that was watching over the weekend of Charlie himself 310 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: facing a questionner presenting this USS liberty conspiracy theory and 311 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: Charlie shouting it down, saying, get the microphone away, I'm 312 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: not dealing with this. 313 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: This is garbage. 314 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: So he knew how to how to patrol. We disagreed. 315 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes people disagree on these things. 316 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: That's fine. 317 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't think Charlie, towards the end of his life 318 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: saw what Tucker tragedy has become since Fox News fired him. 319 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: At the same time, Charlie would have been positively aghast 320 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: at Tucker Carlson having the Flentes on his show for 321 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: an act of glazing at best, performative fillatio at worst. 322 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: A week or a month and a half after Charlie's assassination. 323 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: So it's really for that reason above all that I 324 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: found myself not fully agreeing with Vice President Vance and 325 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: his conference closing remarks. 326 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: Go ahead and watch Vice President Jade Vance. 327 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 6: I didn't bring a list of conservatives to denounce or 328 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 6: to d platform, and I don't really care if some 329 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 6: people out there. 330 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll have the fake news media. 331 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 6: Denounce me after this speech. But let me just say 332 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 6: the best way to honor Charlie is that none of 333 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 6: us here should be doing something after Charlie's death that 334 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 6: he himself used to do in life. 335 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 7: He invited all of us here. Charlie invited all of 336 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 7: us here. 337 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 6: For a reason because he believed that each of us, 338 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 6: all of us had something worth saying, and he trusted 339 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 6: all of you to make your own judgment. 340 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot of this is is definitely true. 341 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: There's not a single person on that stage who Charlie 342 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: Kirk did not want to be there, by the way, 343 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: I've seen some of the Tucker crowd, the Tucker apologists say, oh, 344 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk didn't want bench appear to be their bs. 345 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: How he knows bs, because I literally was involved. I 346 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: taught to Charlie frequently in the final year or two 347 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: of his life, as we discussed a great length on 348 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: this show, and I pressed him. I said, Charlie, if 349 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: you're going to keep on inviting Tucker to your conferences 350 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: after he's going further and further and further down the 351 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: rabbit hole at the barest of bare minimum, what you 352 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: really really really ought to do is at least give 353 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: the most prominent spokesperson for the opposing world's view. I 354 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: would frankly argue to the world, you're just a basic 355 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: human decency and that's Benjapiro. You should at least give 356 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: him equal airtime. And Charlie agree with that. So that's 357 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous now it is. It is also true that 358 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: Charlie agreed that all these other individuals who's who spoke, 359 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: So the Vice President's correct on that. 360 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: But I'm telling. 361 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: You, Charlie was so upset with Denise Jesuza for even 362 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: deigning to debate Nick Flintes if he had seen this 363 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: interview that Tucker gave to Flintest, the stuff that Flintists 364 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: said about Charlie Kirk and turning point USA, some which 365 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro quoted in his conference opening speech at Thursday, 366 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: disgusting stuff, horrific stuff. I think Charlie would have been 367 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: having some second thoughts about Tucker Carlson. One thing that 368 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: Charlie was definitely proponents of was the notion that Western 369 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: civilization is objectively good, that has given us manifold plentiful, 370 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: abundant blessings, and that we should fight to preserve it 371 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: and pass down from one generation to the next each 372 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: and every day of our lives. The question that he 373 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: would have asked, indeed the question that he did ask 374 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: was are you on team civilization or are you not 375 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: a lot of these folks, it seems to me, are 376 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily part of team civilization when you go about 377 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: promoting all sorts of Kremlin Russian talking points. I'm not 378 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: saying you can't criticize lawmir As Lensky got Chrism all 379 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: the time, actually, but so when you go about promoting 380 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,479 Speaker 1: a lot of Kremlin talking points, when you give fawning 381 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: puff interviews, stick a fanta interviews to the president of Iran, 382 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: when you say that Nicholas Modoro is actually the most 383 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: conservative leader in South America, when you announce you're buying 384 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: a house in Katar. What I mean the financial in 385 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: ideological home in the Muslim brotherhood. You say you're buying 386 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: a house there. You give multiple fawning interviews to the 387 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: Amir of Katar, including out the Doha Forum junket, I'm 388 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: sorry what I mean. In Tucker's speech Thursday night, he 389 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: got in his moral high horse to lecture. 390 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: Republicans, not about. 391 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: Anti Semitism or anti Christian bigotry or anti Americanism. He 392 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: lectured Republicans about Islamophobia. Folks, have you ever met a 393 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: conservative who talks about the alleged threat of Islamophobia? A term, 394 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: by the way, that was literally made up by a 395 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: left wing British academic in the late teen late nineteen 396 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: ninety He's right around the time that the UK was 397 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: being invaded and overrun by Muslim migrants. Have you ever 398 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: seen it or heard a conservative talk about islamaphobia? You 399 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: know who is not a fan of the islamaphobia talk? 400 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Charlie Kirk. 401 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 8: That guy. 402 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: How many times the final year or two his life 403 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: did Charlie say over and over again that Islam and 404 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: Western civilization are not compatible. Another thing that we hit 405 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: here frequently on this show. 406 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 6: They're not. 407 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Yes, you can have individual Muslims that assimilate just fine, 408 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: but categorically speaking at the level, at the abstract level 409 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: of categories, not the specific ad hoc level of individual 410 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: human beings, Islam and Western civilization categorically incompatible. It was 411 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: the issue that Charlie was arguably hitting hardest in the 412 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: final year or two of his entire life at the 413 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: now somewhat infamous Hampton's Retreat, infamous for Bes, conspiratorial, candidt 414 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: oons reas, but it was a probably nice retreat. I 415 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: was there thirty five to forty people early August. There 416 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: were four or five panels. The very first panel, Charlie 417 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: takes the mic and just has kind of like an 418 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: open conversation that he preside over on the question what 419 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: is an American? With the backdrop of the then impending 420 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: election or so it seemed to neviabillion so it thus 421 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: far has now been proven to be the election of 422 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: Zoram Mamdani. The question he was asking really is can 423 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: this guy really ever be an American? Yeah, he's a naturally, 424 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: I said his saily. He's born in Uganda. He hops 425 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: he holds all sorts of anti American anti Western civilizational views. 426 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: Kenny being an American? Is that as Lamophobia? According to 427 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson, I don't know. 428 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. But if you're gonna take the fight 429 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: to the left, which we all want to do, they 430 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: need a better stand for something and trying to appeal 431 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: emotionally to Islamophobia, ain't it. I'm trying to reach this 432 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: thirteen percent of the Anfes audience, probably an even smaller 433 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: percentage of the broader Republican Party base, that thing that 434 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: the Jews are not allies or Israel's not allies? What 435 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: are you doing? But like, what polling are you looking at? 436 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: And how much of this is just foreign astroturfed? We 437 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: spoke a couple weeks ago about this new study from NCRI, 438 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: the New Contagion Research Institute, showing them a lot of 439 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: Nick funds is online supporters are actually foreign bot farms 440 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: in places like Pakistan and Nigeria. Is that what the 441 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: Tuckers and Cannons of the world are looking at A lot, 442 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: I personally in the Tucker's looking at a lot of 443 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: Katari cash for what it's worth. But okay, among other things, 444 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: are they looking at a lot of algorithms that are 445 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: worked by bot farms. The right has to sort itself 446 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: out if we're going to take the fight to the left. 447 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: So I don't agree with this general sentiment that we 448 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: are in case of drawing delineations, of drawing boundaries, of 449 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: making some assessments to what is in and what is out. Again, 450 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: Charlie was the number one example. Nick Funds for him 451 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: was totally unequivocally out. The Gropers were totally unequivocally out. 452 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: And this is how we're honoring his legacy three months 453 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: later by welcoming a lot of their supporters in for 454 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: just a broader debate and pretending that this is somehow 455 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: about Israel, when again it's really not. Making Kelly, by 456 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: the way, another one of these clowns, these jokers, making 457 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: it in her mind all about Israel, when it's is 458 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: really not. Here is Megan Kelly on not just Ben Shapiro, 459 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: but also on Barry. Weis publishing Ben Shapiro's remarks at 460 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: her publication the Free Press, go ahead and watch making 461 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: Kelly here. 462 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: So it's a similar situation with Barry. 463 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 8: None of this is about them calling me out for 464 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 8: anything I've said or having said or it's certainly not 465 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 8: about Erica Kirk has been tried to make it sound 466 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 8: less Night gets about Israel. Those two are very pro 467 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 8: ardent Israel activists, which is fine, but they don't get 468 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 8: to dictate how the rest of us feel about Israel 469 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 8: or what we do with respect to our friends and 470 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 8: our friends' opinions on Israel. 471 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Megan, you're wrong. You're wrong again again. This is 472 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: now a common tactic. I saw the Vice President in 473 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: this interview that he gave just yesterday on Sunday with 474 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: Sorbo Marii of Unheard. I saw the Vice President basically 475 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: say that this notion, the NIF one does, has a 476 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: huge following, is being over exaggerated by folks and typically 477 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: over exaggerated by in the Vice President's view, by Pro Israel. 478 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: Folks just don't want to have that conversation. That's basically 479 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: a Megan is now saying too, that all this is 480 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: just a manufactured controversy by team Pro Israel because they 481 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: want to hold the lawn, and nothing could be further 482 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: from the truth. You know, my own views the topic 483 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: are actually more nuanced than I typically get it for 484 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: we tease this out at this two and action summons 485 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: debate stage. I've been calling for the US to phase outs, 486 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 1: not cut off, but phase out foreign aids is well. 487 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: I've been calling for that for over a decade. I 488 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: don't particularly like foreign eight. I think it's generally bad 489 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: and deeply corrupt and venal and counterproductive. I have all 490 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: sorts of heteronox views on this stuff, but as a 491 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: general rule, holding aside my personal views, foreign policy conversation 492 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: is always fair game Americans that have been debating foreign 493 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: policy since the origins of the republic, says the XYZ. 494 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: A fair in the late seventeen nineties, says the first 495 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: and second Barbary Wars. He has the Muslim pirates off 496 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: the coast northern Africa, and they're early eighteen hundreds. No 497 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: one is afraid of a foreign policy conversation. In fact, 498 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: I actually love foreign policy. I'm of a forign polity nerd. 499 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 1: Let's have the conversation. I will gladly partake as much 500 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: as y'all want me to. 501 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 502 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: The conversation rather that some of us are are having 503 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: now is the extent to which genuine bigotry. 504 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: Is allowed. 505 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: So, for instance, there's this Sudanese Hitler fan who lives 506 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: here in South Florida. He goes to the name of 507 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: Myron Gaines. His real name is something a lot more 508 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: Sudee sounding dude podcasts and self describes as a Hitler fan. 509 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: He's tweet about Hitler a lot. He's a fan. 510 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: So, after initial reports showed that quote unquote Myron Gaines 511 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: was being denied from an fswey twenty five, eventually he 512 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: manages to finagle his way into the room, and he's 513 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: wearing a sweatshirt with the sesame street character Cookie Monster 514 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: about cookies, and it's a clear reference to a somewhat 515 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: infamous video the Nick Flintes gave about six years ago, 516 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: questioning the six million Jews sore in the Holocaust by 517 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: analogizing them to Cookie Monster baking cookies. So, quote unquote 518 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Myron Gaines from Sudan gets his way into this conference 519 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: with this sweatshirt mocking victims of the Holocaust, and some 520 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: various other people, maybe because they just didn't realize what's happening, 521 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 1: or maybe they were deliberately trying to get clicks and attention, 522 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: took photos with him. So the girl called herself Emily 523 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: Saves America is dimly from Los Angeles. Absolute moron who 524 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: was at that hand to the treat She did a photo, 525 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: Jack bisobaokho have known for years and Fortune did a photo. 526 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: The conversation is like, is this good? I mean, even 527 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 1: holding aside the brazen immorality of this. How stupid all 528 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: this looks? How bad this looks? Can we talk just 529 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: about the politics. 530 00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: For a second? 531 00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 8: Here? 532 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: You know turning Point now Erica Kirk announcing in her 533 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: intro marks that she wants Turning Point to now become 534 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: a vehicle for Jdvans twenty twenty eight. Okay, look, I'm 535 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: not a campaign financial lawyer, but I guess I will say, 536 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: as a lawyer in general, might be some thigny legal 537 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: erathical issues between the difference between a non for profit 538 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: five to one C three and a political action vehicle 539 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: five to one C four. After all, this is not 540 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: a turning point action conference. It was a turning point. 541 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: He was a conference. Okay, well, I don't do campaign 542 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: financial I'll let the legal specialists handle that. But if 543 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: Turning Points is among the things that Charlie wanted to 544 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: be and made it a vehicle for conservative political activism 545 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: for getting MAGA Republicans elected to office. Then is this 546 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: politically beneficial to welcome the Candice Owan's conspiracism, to welcome 547 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: those who would give fawning, sick of anting interviews to 548 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: Charlie's arch nemesis Nick Flentes, to welcome all that in, 549 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: to welcome people on the stage who say that you 550 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't be in a zwamaphobe? 551 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: Is this healthy? 552 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 7: No? 553 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: Again, there were a lot of other people. Wasn't just Benjapiered. 554 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people of this conference. 555 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: I was there this year. 556 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: There were a lot of folks' conference, Steve Dace, Alibets, 557 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: Ducky Brandon Tatum, all wonderful human beings, and there were 558 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: a lot of folks that represented on Team Sanity. But 559 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: the role of a leader is not to follow, but 560 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 1: to lead. The role of a leader of a movement 561 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: or of anything is not to just lick your finger 562 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: and put your finger in the wind and see which 563 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: way the polls are going, which way there trends are bowing. 564 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: Especially in the broader game of politics, you ought to 565 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: have principle and conviction. We can amically disagree as to 566 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: the final details within a coalition as to what those 567 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: principles and policies of worth ought to be. That's perfectly fine, concerns. 568 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing it for a very very very long time. 569 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: The paliocons, the neocons that this to that fine, totally 570 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: fair game. But you have to lead partially by saying 571 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: what's not in the fold. So anyway, just a lot 572 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: of stuff from anfest over the weekend. I enjoyed a 573 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: lot of the remarks that I saw there on TV, 574 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: and I guess I will kind of conclude with this, 575 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: as I was saying earlier, I am privileged to have 576 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: this microphone talk to you every day, and those of 577 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: us who are privileged to be able to communicate every day, 578 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: whether it's writing or speaking or this or that there. 579 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: As Ben said his speech, we do absolutely have an obligation. 580 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: We absolutely then do have an obligation to not rot 581 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: your brain and to not make you stupider. There are 582 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: a lot of folks out there that are engaged in 583 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: this broader brain rot operation. That's not what we are 584 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: here to do. If we are actually doing our job, 585 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: then we are trying to lift you up. 586 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: And tell you. 587 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: The truth as you ought to think of it, the 588 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: principles as you ought to think of it, and in 589 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: this case, the day and day out of late native 590 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: of our show is very very simple. The principles that 591 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: we stand for are the principles of Western civilization, our show, 592 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: our community, you the. 593 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: Listener, you the viewer. 594 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: We are bulwarks against our enemies, foreign and domestic. As 595 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: you think of the Constitution describes it. Our enemies are 596 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: the dei wokarate. They are the islness, they are the 597 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: global neoliberals, the universalists, the modern pagans. 598 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: We have a lot of them. 599 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: Is frankly, we take Solis knowing that God is on ourselves, 600 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: the Biblical inheritance is on our side. That's what forged 601 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: Western civilization, That's what forged the United States of America, 602 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: and God willing that's going to keep this, this experiment 603 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: in order liberty going from one generation to the next 604 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: for many, many generations, many centuries to come. But the 605 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: left is not going to save this country. They're trying actively, 606 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: day in, day out to tear it down, destroy it. 607 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: If America is going to be saved, it's going to 608 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: come from the right, and is not going to come 609 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: from a right. That is confused as to who was 610 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: the good guy in World War Two, as to whether 611 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: or not the United States should have actually sided with 612 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: Hitler and spread fascism throughout the European continent. Those are 613 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: not the kind of quote unquote just asking questions that 614 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: are going to make the right and the certain movements 615 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: a healthy vehicle. Those are not the kind of antics 616 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: and tactics and just asking quesh and shenanigans that are 617 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: going to pull over independent voters, moderate voters, the voters 618 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: who don't necessarily vote for someone to vote against someone. 619 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen is a great example this. By the way, 620 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of truth in notion that Donald Trump's 621 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: positive agenda when it comes to realism in trade and 622 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: immigration foreign policy carry the day, partially, especially in the 623 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: russ Belt in the Midwest, the Blue Wall States was 624 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: consum Michigan, Pensylvania's a lot truth to that. But there's 625 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: an even greater truth to the fact that Hillary Clinton 626 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: was less popular than venereal disease when the least popular 627 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: candidate's an American presidential history. So for that kind of voter, 628 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: the voter who was voting not necessarily for but against, 629 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: do you want to give the against voter even more 630 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: ammunition to vote against by welcoming in Nazi sympathizers, by 631 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: giving credence to the left long standing caricature of the 632 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: rights which was false until like arguably yesterday, as a 633 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: bunch of no, it's still broadly false, to be clear. 634 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: But that's whe're debating now. Is the extent to which 635 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: they should be welcomed in. Do you want to give 636 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: them ammunition? Are you trying to blow up this coalition 637 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump built, this multi ethnic working class coalition, 638 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: these historical gains with young people of Hispanics, black men, 639 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: going to blow it all up? 640 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 8: For what. 641 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: To look based in the eyes of a bunch of 642 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: twenty something Twitter users, is that the. 643 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 5: Goal here. 644 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 2: Are we trying to win elections? 645 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: I was under the understanding what I've always signed up 646 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: for is that we're in this to advance ideas, because 647 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: ideas then translate into policy and law, which translated into 648 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: real things the matter for your day to day life, 649 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: all oriented towards the preservation and the saving of the 650 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: United States of America and Western civilization. That calls for leadership. 651 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't call for blanking and glazing over, not just 652 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: petty differences, but really, really, really big differences. So it's 653 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: whether Nazis are okay or not. To conserve means to delineate, 654 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: to preserve, means to draw boundaries. Charlie Kirk understood that. 655 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: I think I understand that as well. I hope that 656 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: more leaders come to understand that as well, especially in 657 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: the aftermath now of Van Fast twenty twenty five. As 658 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: a reminder, folks, you can always listener watch our show. 659 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: We're available at Newsweek's YouTube page as well as via 660 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: the Salem Newshell. 661 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 2: Make sure to leave us that five star review. We 662 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 2: always do appreciate it. 663 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: I'm Joshamer, who enjoyed says episode of The Josh Shammers Show. 664 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: The Josh a Hammer Show is a member of the 665 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 2: Trust Project.