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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale Welcome back in America. I'm here you

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Speaker 1: at joined by Senator Tom Cotton. Senator Cotton and Chairman

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Speaker 1: of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Chairman of the Republican Conference,

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Speaker 1: and the Senate member of the Armed Services Committee, Senator.

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Speaker 1: In my adult life, four times I've seen the American

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Speaker 1: military operate at peak lethality one hundred Hour War in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, the Fall of Cobble with the Northern

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Speaker 1: Alliance in two thousand and one, the March to Baghdad

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, and the last three weeks.

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Speaker 1: How do you rate the last three weeks in terms

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Speaker 1: of American military prowess?

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Speaker 2: Well, Hugh, with respect to those other three operations that

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Speaker 2: put this at number one, some of that is just

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Speaker 2: the march of technology and the abilities that are military

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Speaker 2: and our intelligence agencies have today that they did not

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Speaker 2: have in nineteen ninety one, in two thousand and one

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Speaker 2: and two thousand and three, all of course are impressive operations,

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Speaker 2: but at this point in a run, we have decimated

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Speaker 2: the leadership, We've oulverized their army, We've sunk their navy,

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Speaker 2: and we are steadily but assuredly degrading all of their

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Speaker 2: missile forces, their drones, their manufacturing capability to replace those things.

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Speaker 2: And it's all as far as I know, and last

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Speaker 2: I've spoken with senior leaders in the administration at least

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Speaker 2: on time. It's not a head of schedule.

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Speaker 1: Now you're in the Gang of eight, so you are

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Speaker 1: adjacent to the chain of command as close as anyone

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Speaker 1: not in it can be. If you knew the President

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Speaker 1: was talking to you wouldn't tell us. But do you

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Speaker 1: think there's a serious command and control problem in Iran

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Speaker 1: that precludes someone speaking on behalf of the entire regime.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, I'm not sure anyone knows who's in charge in

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Speaker 2: Iran right now. The Supreme Leader and most of his

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Speaker 2: key lieutenants were killed on the first day of the war.

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Speaker 2: His son, who was widely believed to be incompetent, was

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Speaker 2: at a minimum severely injured, and to my knowledge still

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Speaker 2: hasn't appeared or been heard of outside of a enhancement

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Speaker 2: since then. Iran, of course, after the strikes last June

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Speaker 2: the Mosaic Defense strategy, essentially decentralizing a lot of command

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Speaker 2: and control decisions down to regional and local commanders, mostly

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Speaker 2: a clear picture that there's a clear picture inside of

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Speaker 2: Iran of who's saying, you know, you know, shoot dismissial there,

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Speaker 2: or send this drone there, or let's reach out to

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Speaker 3: I think the text have put it.

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Speaker 2: You know, they can't command and control, they can barely

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you do you think message was received by Europe

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Speaker 1: When the regime sent long range ballistic missiles toward Diego Garcia.

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Speaker 1: They missed, one was intercepted, one didn't get there. But

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Speaker 1: doesn't appear to have had that effect.

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Speaker 2: Well it should, Hugh, I've been pointing out for months

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Speaker 2: it's clear they can range all of Europe, and Hugh,

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Speaker 2: I had a conversation last week with CIA Director John

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Speaker 2: It only takes two basic technologies to have an intertatinmental missile.

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Speaker 2: Aron has that under their so called space launch program,

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Speaker 2: they could crudely but in a functioning fashion, marry those

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Speaker 2: certainly not years. Months not years for you. And I

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Speaker 1: Now Senator Cotton, the military depending on is asked for

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Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars of supplemental funding. If I were

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Speaker 1: I would double that because, as the Seals like to say,

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Speaker 1: Why aren't we doing that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that request is official yet. I've seen

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Speaker 2: point as well about funding for homeland security. The Democrats

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Speaker 2: continue to blockade that funding. That's why you see long

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Speaker 3: Down, and.

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Speaker 2: We are steadily draining resources from immigration enforcement as well,

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Speaker 2: so we might have to use reconciliation that that track

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Speaker 2: budget procedure to fund the Department of Homeland Security too.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're losing that debate in public? They're

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Speaker 1: attempting to make that a Republican problem when I think

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Speaker 1: everybody and their brother knows the Democrats shut down DHS

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Speaker 1: and therefore the lines at the airport are Democrat lines.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question with that.

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Speaker 2: We've made multiple efforts to fund the Department of Homeland Security,

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Speaker 2: even on a short term basis, to allow negotiations continue,

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Speaker 2: and the Democrats would rather you miss your flight than

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Speaker 2: the port illegal aliens. It's a simple event.

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Speaker 1: Let me close by asking you about the President. The

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Speaker 1: and they've been doing so all day long, as has

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Speaker 1: been the idea. But the President announced he wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to take out the large energy production plant that he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the President from the beginning has not

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Speaker 2: if you see regime collapse and you see that people

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Speaker 2: Now he keeps that card and is at pocket.

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Speaker 3: But for instance, the.

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Speaker 2: Strikes on carg Island a couple of weekends ago only

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Speaker 1: And last question, Senator, if the Strait of Horror Moves

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Speaker 2: You, of course our military can reopen the Straight of

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Speaker 2: hor Moves. Look, it was foolish for liberals say like, oh,

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Speaker 2: everyone has known the Straight of hor Moves is a

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Speaker 2: I Run because of geography and little more had the

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Speaker 2: ability to temporarily close the straight up for Moves. The

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Speaker 2: a lot of what you've seen in the last few

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Speaker 1: Sad as usual Center of Tom Cotton from Arkansas, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining me. Don't go anywhere, America. I will

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Speaker 1: be right back. I'm thank you Hewitt. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Good Monday to you. I'm joined by Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery,

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Speaker 1: retired United States Navy. You may have read his peach

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Speaker 1: round the world. Good to have you back, Admiral. Before

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Speaker 1: a little comparative military history. I remember as a journalist

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Speaker 1: Art campaign. The Manes did some pretty interesting things in

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the two thousand and three March to

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Speaker 4: Baghdad was you know, you know, we basically had an

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Speaker 4: Maneuvered aggressively rapidly fully integrated with air power. To me,

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Speaker 4: that's I mean, that's the most impressive modern military maneuver warfare.

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Speaker 3: That's that's what the Russians could have only dreamed of in.

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Speaker 4: February of twenty twenty two, and the US Army and

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Speaker 1: If you added the technology on display today to that

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Speaker 1: how destructive is the American military? And what message are

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Speaker 4: You know, I think one of the important things here

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Speaker 4: told by people with Bani that the people in Taiwan

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Speaker 3: It's a new way of war fighting.

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Speaker 4: And what I say is you're fifty percent correct. You know,

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Speaker 4: Taiwan will be like a Ukraine fight. It's fed heading

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Speaker 3: But east of Taiwan is a high end war fight.

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Speaker 4: Between the PLA Navy and Air Force and the US

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Speaker 4: Navy and Air Force. That's what we saw us execute

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Speaker 4: It's a reminder that despite what Elon Musk says, the

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Speaker 3: A fantastic job.

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Speaker 4: And it clears the skies to such a degree that

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Speaker 4: Do you think the regime in Iran is going to crumble?

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Speaker 3: Admiral Absolutely, we should allow Israel to.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I appreciate your joining me.

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Speaker 1: Admiral Mark Montgomery. Follow him on exit Mark C. Montgomery

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Speaker 1: Ship Mack America. I'm Hugh Hewett. It was a very

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Speaker 1: I just thought I'd give him the floor to tell

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Speaker 1: Doctor. And that's a very interesting observation because this is

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Speaker 1: packs Americana, but a second American century with its ally.

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Speaker 1: It's closest allies now Israel, and I doubt that anyone

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Speaker 1: would argue with that. And Europe is old and exhausted.

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Speaker 1: I'm just very disappointed with Europe. I am curious if

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Speaker 1: people in Israel are alarmed by the presidents very ambiguous.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just playing the Iranians against each other.

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Speaker 1: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: One can't know?

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Speaker 5: One can only hope wants to couch. Many things when

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Speaker 5: dealing with the President in terms of hope, and the

447
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Speaker 5: good news is that the vast majority of our hopes

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Speaker 5: have played out. Visa to be the president and recognizing

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Speaker 5: Jerusalems are capital, recognizing Israeli sovereignty over the goal on heights.

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Speaker 3: The ap hammocre is.

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Speaker 5: That there's one hope after another that has been realized

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Speaker 5: by the President getting our hostages back from Gauza.

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Speaker 1: How about that one? And we hope now.

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Speaker 5: Again that in negotiating with whomever he is negotiating, it's

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Speaker 5: not quite clear with whom he's negotiating that that person

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Speaker 5: will have the authority, will have the plenty of potentiary

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Speaker 5: ability to actually make those decisions. Now, I've got to

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Speaker 5: be skeptical because I come from a background of Middle

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Speaker 5: Eastern history, and to have Iran give up its nuclear program,

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Speaker 5: to have it give up his ballistic program and support

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Speaker 5: for terrorists is telling the Irani regime to get up

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Speaker 5: its DNA. It's not gonna be the same regime anymore.

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Speaker 5: It's not completely completely different. Is that about to happen again?

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Speaker 5: I'll couch it as a hope, but I can't say

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Speaker 5: with any certainty that that is likely to happen. Will

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Speaker 5: the Iranians turn around, And this is actually an interesting

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Speaker 5: question that's been raised several times in my media interviews

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Speaker 5: with Israeli media tonight, is will the Iranians say to

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Speaker 5: the President, Okay, we'll have a ceasefire. You've got to

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Speaker 5: call these reelis off our boys in Lebanon, off of

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Speaker 5: his bulah, And that would be a very difficult call

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Speaker 5: for the Prime Minister to make. The Primission may have

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Speaker 5: to turn around to say of the President, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: I can't do that. We have half the country displays tonight, and.

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Speaker 6: The Iranians may say, well, okay.

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Speaker 5: In that case, we're going to keep hormoes closed and

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Speaker 5: the gas prices are going to go up. So many

478
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Speaker 5: many moving pieces here and tremendous amount of uncertainty in

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Speaker 5: the state of Israel. One thing is certain is that

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Speaker 5: our pilots continue to fly fight tonight. They're flying over

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Speaker 5: Iran as we speak, and our forces are on the

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Speaker 5: ground in Lebanon fighting back his bula.

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Speaker 1: And American pilots are in the air. Sencom released a

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Speaker 1: video of them hitting striking Iranian targets earlier today. Dan

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Speaker 1: Senor has said the only time he can remember working

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Speaker 1: relationship between two heads of government as close as Nenyahoo

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Speaker 1: and Trump is, as between Margaret Thatcher and President Reagan,

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Speaker 1: to which I'd like that. As unlikely as it might say,

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Speaker 1: there was Helmet Cole and Francois mitterand as well as

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Speaker 1: you remember during the last years of the Cold War,

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Speaker 1: I think that might turn out to be MBS and MBZ.

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Speaker 1: Odd as that might be, I think those four are

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Speaker 1: the key players.

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Speaker 5: Here, Roosevelt in Churchill, not to belabel the Churchill you

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Speaker 5: know example, and certainly and today I think we can

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Speaker 5: say this on equivocally with the United States has won

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Speaker 5: exactly one dependable military ally in the world, and I'm

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Speaker 5: sitting in it, and not just a pendel military oust,

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Speaker 5: but dependent military alily that is willing to go shoulder

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Speaker 5: to shoulder with the United States and not you know,

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Speaker 5: play a secondary role, to be a full partner.

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Speaker 1: So that that to me is.

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Speaker 3: An extraordinary accomplishment.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think anybody responsible in Washington would would

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Speaker 5: somehow want to squander that extraordinary asset.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll be time with Centaer Cotton next gener I'll

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Speaker 1: ask him about that. But I got it. I got

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Speaker 1: one minute left doctor, and the interoperability of the IDF

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Speaker 1: and the America in Navy, the pilot, it's just extraordinary

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Speaker 1: to me. We've never operated like this in my lifetime

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Speaker 1: because I went around for World War Two. There are

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Speaker 1: simply there's no division between their division of labor. It's

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Speaker 1: lockstep is.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately it's a war, but otherwise it's a beautiful thing

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Speaker 5: to see. And if you listen to some of the

516
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Speaker 5: communication between our palets and the American Palace, you see

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Speaker 5: that we are allies in the fullest sense of the

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Speaker 5: word here and it is I think it's a message

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Speaker 5: to the entire world, a cautionary talk.

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Speaker 6: I think caution tail for Europe.

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Speaker 5: I think there's going to be a lot to answer

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Speaker 5: for with Europe and NATO when this is over.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, doctor Michael Orran. Follow him on

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Speaker 1: exit d R Michael Oran, go look up the Israel

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Speaker 1: Advocacy Group which he founded, be a part of helping

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Speaker 1: to tell the story of the Jewish shape. And thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, doctor, and stay safe. I know it

528
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Speaker 1: is a rough weekend and my condolences to those in

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Speaker 1: Israel who are listening who lost someone this weekend. Don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere America. I'm usually welcome back in America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett, joined by Selena Zito. Columnists of the World,

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Speaker 1: Washington Post columnst Washington Examiner columnist, columnist, The Pittsburgh Post Gazette,

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Speaker 1: New York Post, syndicated columnist, I go On and yinzer

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Speaker 1: Uh Selena. Airports are in the news now. Pittsburgh Airport

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Speaker 1: happens to be my most favorite and least favorite airport.

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Speaker 1: It is my most favorite airport because the car rental,

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Speaker 1: which I've got to get to get to Warren is

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Speaker 1: right across the entrance. It's very it's a very convenient

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Speaker 1: car rental. The bad part is I had to go

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Speaker 1: by frank O Harris every time I get there to

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Speaker 1: go to it. So how are the lines at Pittsburgh Airport?

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Speaker 7: Well, since the last time I flew was in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty film. I mean, that's true, but you know they're

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Speaker 7: they're not I don't think as bad as everyone else

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Speaker 7: is experiencing, but they're not bad because of a bad reason.

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Speaker 8: For Pittsburgh. We don't have a hub, so we are not.

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Speaker 7: A frequently traveled airport as much as these other airports are. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 7: people have to get out and people have to come in.

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Speaker 8: It is definitely a.

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Speaker 9: Higher ice is supposed to come to Ellegany County's airport

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Speaker 9: this week, and so it must be bad enough to

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Speaker 9: be a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't need an editor. You always have enough columns, right.

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Speaker 1: I would love a Selena Zito piece of just talking

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Speaker 1: to people in line at Pittsburgh because the ensurs don't

556
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Speaker 1: like nonsense, right, They just don't like nonsense. This is nonsense.

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Speaker 1: The Democrats are putting millions of Americans in peril of

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Speaker 1: missing their flights. All of that inconvenience. My kids and

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Speaker 1: my grandkids had to leave at four o'clock in the

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Speaker 1: morning on Sunday morning to get to the airport three

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Speaker 1: hours early to make sure that they can make their flight.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy what they are doing to people. For I

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Speaker 1: don't really understand their motive. They're not making a point.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're making a point.

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Speaker 8: No, I mean I.

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Speaker 7: Have talked to people, not at the airport, but I

567
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Speaker 7: have talked to people, and they're not making the point

568
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Speaker 7: they think.

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Speaker 8: They're making, which is this is Trump's well right.

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Speaker 7: They don't even want to blame Republicans in office inasmuch

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Speaker 7: as their whole focus and concentration is on President Trump,

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Speaker 7: and so they want to blame it on him. However,

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Speaker 7: that's not sticking. People have common sense. They have the

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Speaker 7: ability to read and understand and comprehend what really is

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Speaker 7: the problem. And you know a lot of people that

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Speaker 7: I've talked to have said, I don't get it. Ice

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Speaker 7: is already funded. Why are we in this position?

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Speaker 4: Again?

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Speaker 7: It doesn't make Why Why are you? Why are what

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Speaker 7: do we do? Why are we in trouble? Why are

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Speaker 7: we getting punished?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Why are we getting group punishment of country because the

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Speaker 1: Democrats lost an election? Now let me turn to your

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Speaker 1: Senator John Fetterman over the weekend had a conversation with

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Speaker 1: a Rock rib Republican and he said, you know, Fetterman

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Speaker 1: is making me rethink there might the Democrats might be salvagable.

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Speaker 1: But then I read your column. There's a little uprising

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Speaker 1: against him in Pittsburgh and in Pennsylvania generally. Is that reality?

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Speaker 1: He not up for four years? Is he? Or two

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Speaker 1: more years?

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Speaker 7: He's not up for He's not up for two years.

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Speaker 7: A lot of that is hyperbole. There is a lot

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Speaker 7: of sort of ex posting going around, pushing Connor Lamb, right,

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Speaker 7: the guy who lost to Fetterman. And I would love

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Speaker 7: to point out that Fetterman defeated Lamb by thirty percentage

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Speaker 7: points in that primary. Fetterman won all sixty seven counties.

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Speaker 8: And the argument that Lamb is making that.

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Speaker 7: Men is not a true Democrat Betterman votes ninety three

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Speaker 7: percent of the time with Democrats, whereas Lamb voted sixty

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Speaker 7: eight percent of the time with Democrats. That's another that's

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Speaker 7: a thirty point almost a thirty point difference. And so

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Speaker 7: I think there is a lot of posturing. But the

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Speaker 7: Democrats that I talked to even they know, they know

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Speaker 7: that they're sort of this online movement against betterment. It's

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Speaker 7: very difficult for me to find anyone outside of the

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Speaker 7: far left. And by the way, this all has to

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Speaker 7: do with Israel, right, Like, let's not make any bumps

609
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Speaker 7: about it because all has to do with Israel, and

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Speaker 7: it's vulgar in the way that people are prosecuting it.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this grand Plantner in Maine,

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Speaker 1: the oysterman with the Nazi tattoo, who's a whack job

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Speaker 1: from the left. He's trying to run like John Fetterman.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's working because it's not authentic.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be that kind of loose, that kind

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Speaker 1: of real guy living down the street across from the

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Speaker 1: steel mill. Have you followed Planter in all?

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Speaker 7: No, I haven't because well, my state keeps me busy enough, right,

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Speaker 7: But even from Afar.

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Speaker 8: I'll end up going up to May before the primary.

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Speaker 7: But even from Afar, Look, people can smell something that's

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Speaker 7: not authentic.

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Speaker 8: People know when you're trying to pose.

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Speaker 7: There was a guy in West Virginia a few years

625
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Speaker 7: ago that tried to run against Joe Manchin when he

626
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Speaker 7: was running for reelection with that same sort of like

627
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Speaker 7: I'm real and I'm you know, I'm working class, and

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Speaker 7: it just didn't pan out because people can smell people

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Speaker 7: that are inauthentic and are trying to create a brand

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Speaker 7: as opposed to living that real life.

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Speaker 1: All right, last question, I watched sixty minutes last night

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Speaker 1: to see about the American shipbuilding crisis, all about the

633
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia shipyard. Have you had a chance to see that yet?

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Speaker 1: What did you think?

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Speaker 8: I have not watched it, but I'm well aware of it.

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Speaker 8: I have been writing about it.

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Speaker 1: Twenty people at a time are going through and the

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Speaker 1: three young people. One wasn't so young. But the three

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Speaker 1: people that are craftsmen, they all left Amazon Warehouse and

640
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Speaker 1: they work hard. But that place is going to be hopping.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be back to what it was in

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Speaker 1: World War Two if they if they carried through on there,

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Speaker 1: are you going to go visit?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely? Just would stop snowing between here and there?

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Speaker 1: Right, this never really ever happened, does it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 7: With snow in Somerset County? I know you've been stuck.

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Speaker 1: You've been stuck in Somerset that you can't get there

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Speaker 1: from here. It's a blizzard. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: July.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it has sowed in Somerset County in July.

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Speaker 8: That's a fact.

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Speaker 7: There's also shipbuilding kickabilities going on in Eerie, but.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined by Bethany Mandel.

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Speaker 1: She is the author of the moom Wars dot substact

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Speaker 1: dot com. Bethany, good to see you. First, just your

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Speaker 1: general assessment of how the war where theyroon is going.

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Speaker 12: I think it's going well. My Israeli friends are losing

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Speaker 12: it a little bit. I think it's really really tough

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Speaker 12: on them over there. I think, you know, from the

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Speaker 12: Israelis perspective, they need to get rid of the missile capability.

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Speaker 12: This is not a situation that is sustainable. There's it's

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Speaker 12: been three weeks of constant missile fire at all hours

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Speaker 12: of the day and night, and it's it's it's become

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Speaker 12: really dire. The airspace I'm sure you talked about with

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Speaker 12: Mark Montgomery is sort of under siege and and it's it's.

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Speaker 6: Become so difficult to get out.

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Speaker 12: I have a friend who was supposed to the day

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Speaker 12: that the war started, and her new flight is scheduled

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Speaker 12: for April sixteenth. So it's not a sustainable situation for

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Speaker 12: a country.

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Speaker 6: For a month and a half.

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Speaker 1: Well, Ambassador Orren made a direct appeal to President Trump

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Speaker 1: earlier today saying, don't tell us to stop in the north.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you negotiate with the Iranians, if you come to

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Speaker 1: some sort of agreement, don't make not killing hesbala off

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Speaker 1: part of the deal, because we have to do that.

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Speaker 1: Is that are your friends telling you the same thing?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, this has been a threat that has

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Speaker 12: been existential for the Israelies for a long time. And

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Speaker 12: the difference between Hesbela and Iran is that they get

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Speaker 12: no warning when a missile comes over from just up

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Speaker 12: north in Lebanon, and so that is a situation that

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Speaker 12: really needs to be taken care of. I believe that

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Speaker 12: when things came down in Iran, there will be an

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Speaker 12: uprising and things will finish themselves off naturally with the regime.

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Speaker 12: That's not really the case with Hesbla, and so I

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Speaker 12: think that it's right for Israel to insist that they

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Speaker 12: the ability to do so.

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Speaker 1: That was the Admiral's point of view, is that you're

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Speaker 1: not doing Lebanon any favors by stopping Israel from exterminating

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Speaker 1: hesbal Lot. You're doing a disservice to the Lebanese because

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Speaker 1: the country can't ever recover as long as that parasitical

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Speaker 1: malignancy is there in the country. Now, a couple of

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Speaker 1: ICBMs got through. Ballistic missiles got through. They're not ICBMs,

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Speaker 1: just ballistic missiles and injured a lot of people over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, primarily, according to doctor Orrin, elderly people who

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Speaker 1: can't move that fast. I would have thought by now

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Speaker 1: the Israelis had a plan for that.

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Speaker 12: No, I mean, unfortunately, you know, there's different I think

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Speaker 12: I've made this joke on your show before that in

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Speaker 12: Hebrew there's so many different words for bomb shelter, and

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Speaker 12: in older buildings, people don't a bomb shelter in the

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Speaker 12: And so you know, you have to sometimes run across

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Speaker 12: and less time if it's Hesbela, and so you know,

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Speaker 12: it's it's difficult. It's difficult for old people, especially when

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Speaker 12: they're woken up in the middle of the night, to

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Speaker 12: get moving that fast. I have a friend who was

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Speaker 12: on the road who was visiting her in laws. Her

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Speaker 12: husband is in Gaza right now, and so she wanted

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Speaker 12: to visit her in laws to give herself a break,

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Speaker 12: and she drove with four young kids by herself, and

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Speaker 12: over the course of that drive, she had to stop

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Speaker 12: four different times for missile sirens and she had to

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Speaker 12: collect four young children out of the car and run

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Speaker 12: into a gas station bomb shelter and stuff in there.

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Speaker 6: Like Stardine's.

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Speaker 12: With fifty sixty people, that's really hard and they she

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Speaker 12: said that there at every single stop there were people

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Speaker 12: who had to be turned away because the bomb shelter

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Speaker 12: was so full it was suffocating.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've not thought of this before, but our

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Speaker 1: bomb shelters, well in Israel, do they have like arrows

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Speaker 1: bomb shelter here that's sort of like UK during the blitz.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they are.

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Speaker 12: And she remarked that she learned that every gas station

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Speaker 12: has one, and so she just would keep driving until

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Speaker 12: she saw a gas station. In the south, there's a

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Speaker 12: lot more roadside bomb shelters because there were so many

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Speaker 12: missiles sent over from Hamas and so in the Gaza

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Speaker 12: envelope there's a lot. In the middle of the country

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Speaker 12: there's not so many, and so you know, at these

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Speaker 12: roadside shelters next to gas stations. There was fifty sixty

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Speaker 12: seventy people stuffing in them and her kid in one

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Speaker 12: of them had a panic attack because he knew the

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Speaker 12: story of October seventh where hirschfolder Poland was taken out

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Speaker 12: of that roadside shelter and he said, is this how

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Speaker 12: hersh was taken?

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Speaker 6: And he had a panic attack and he's a ten

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Speaker 6: year old kid.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be a molding event. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it'll make people tougher and more resilient, but

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Speaker 1: it is definitely the last thirty months have changed the

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Speaker 1: entire generation of Israeli children. Maybe some will be too

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Speaker 1: young to remember, but everyone between the ages of five

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Speaker 1: and fifteen rights. It's in their genes now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: And this is on top of COVID before this, and

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Speaker 12: so they've they've really had a very difficult childhood over there.

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Speaker 12: And you know, my friends have have shared anecdotally with

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Speaker 12: how traumatic the last six years have been for their

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Speaker 12: kids because there, unfortunately they didn't have the protections that

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Speaker 1: So are they expecting a Passover, just Israel being hit

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Speaker 1: with everything iron can possibly hit on the night of Passover.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think is going to happen.

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Speaker 6: They should they should expect that. I mean, it's awful.

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Speaker 12: I was reflecting actually on yesterday, we were talking about

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Speaker 12: last Passover, how the the Pennsylvania Governor's house was hit

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Speaker 12: last year, and so I think Jewish communities around the

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Speaker 12: world are expecting to be hit.

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Speaker 6: In London, volunteer ambulances.

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Speaker 12: Were lit on fire last night, and so I think

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Speaker 12: all around the world Israel and outside of Israel, Jews

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Speaker 12: are sort of bracing themselves for what anti Semites throw

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Speaker 12: their way on past.

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Speaker 1: We need to pause on that story because I don't

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Speaker 1: think many Americans know four there's a volunteer Jewish ambulance

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Speaker 1: service in England that had four ambulances, all of them

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Speaker 1: were torched last night. I don't think yours. I think

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Speaker 1: his government serious about this. I don't think they care.

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Speaker 1: I really, I just don't think they care. What do

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Speaker 1: you think.

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Speaker 6: I mean? He at least called it anti Semitic. The

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Speaker 12: That it serves everyone, and so you know, this is

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Speaker 12: just a volunteer ambulance service that will respond to anyone

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Speaker 12: for anything. And it was arson and it was an

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Speaker 12: arson attack. It was in Golders Green, where I was,

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Speaker 12: I don't know, ten months ago or so. And the

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Speaker 12: security is not sufficient there. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 12: improved since the Hokey Pour attack, but there have been

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Speaker 12: so many antisemitic incidents that my friends there have shared

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Speaker 12: and there's been nothing in the way of increased patrols,

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Speaker 12: increased security. It's it's it's a scary time for London Jews,

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Speaker 12: and a lot of my friends who live there say

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Speaker 1: Is a scary time for American Jews? Or is it

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Speaker 1: just mom Donnie run in his mouth with a crazy wife?

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Speaker 12: I mean, I think I think it is scary in

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Speaker 12: some ways. I you know, I'm careful with my kids

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Speaker 12: about walking to synagogue and you know, wearing yamaicas in

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Speaker 12: places where we might not necessarily be safe and comfortable.

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Speaker 12: But I personally I feel mostly safe. I think that

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Speaker 12: around the country.

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Speaker 6: But on a personal level, I still feel safe.

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