1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 2: Hey Darlene, thanks for joining me. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: Darling Czeck, worship leader and singer who is part of 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: a new film, The House of Worship, that brings together 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: twenty five years of worship music's most influential artist to 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: celebrate songs that have shaped generations. Darlene, You've influenced me 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: and my faith over the years, and you've You've penned 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: so many incredible worship anthems or worship worthy as the 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: Lamb Victor's Crown Shout to the Lord. I'm curious, Darling, 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: when you hear people singing your music and in church today, 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: what goes through your mind? 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: Oh? It's funny, isn't it? Because I just kind of 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: get caught in the moment. I don't really think about 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: Oh I wrote that. Actually, a lot of times I 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: totally forget. I'm like, I just get caught in the 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: worship of God. But you know, it's very humbling, I 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: will say, And yeah, like just to be a tiny, 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: tiny part of bringing a prayer to God, that is 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: the you know, that is a great privilege. So I 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: never I pray, I never take it for granted. 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: Anyway. 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: I think anybody watching this interview is going to want 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: me to ask you to wanting me to ask you 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: about Shout to the Lord. It's more than three decades old. Now, 26 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: what was in this inspiration for that song when you 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: were writing it? What were your what was going through 28 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: your mind when you wrote it? 29 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had it was a pretty tough time. I'm 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: going to say, you know that probably lots of people 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: face it when you want to be in like full 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: time church ministry and you got to speak dream in 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: your heart. And there's literally no way I was singing 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: jingles advertisements, you know, to help, you know, earn money. 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: You had two little kids, Mike, we had a business 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: that was not doing great, and you know, we're just 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: probably too busy. And I just went to the Lord 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: one day, sat it my piano, opened up the Bible, 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: kind of just pouring out my heart and you'll find 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: Shout Lord between some ninety six and summer hundred. And 41 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: I say to people, I didn't so much write it 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 3: as sing it. I think it took twenty minutes and 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: I just sang it, and I sang it and I 44 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: sang it, and it was just a prayer to the Lord. 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: I didn't play it to worship Pasta. At the time, 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: I wasn't a confidence songwriter. So when I finally did, 47 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 3: because I said, oh, I think I might have a song. 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 3: It's you know, I've been singing it at home. And 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: when I finally played it to them, I had them 50 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: turn around with their backs to me because I was 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: so embarrassed, and I'd be like, my Jesus, nice to 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: you if you change it, if you want to, I 53 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: know it's not very good, like this was me every 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: couple of lines. And so when we finally I finally 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: got to the end of the song our worship pasta 56 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: at the time, Jeff Bully turned around and he had 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: tears in his eyes. He's like, we're doing that this weekend. 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, why, what, don't you want to fix it? 59 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: But he's like, no, we're doing it. And that was that. 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: It kind of left my mouth and left my life. 61 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: And this was before this is what I love. And 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: I keep telling people, don't worry about promotion or self promotion. 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: Like people that really caught on it, I said, but 64 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: I existed before there was all of the internet ability, 65 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: and God took a song and just breathed on it, 66 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 3: and before I knew it as getting letters from around 67 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: the world. I didn't even know how they would have 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: heard it. Like when God wants something out there, he 69 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: can do it so encouraging. 70 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: So you didn't realize what you had at the time. 71 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: What point did you realize this could go worldwide? I mean, 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: was it the first time you heard it maybe on 73 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: the radio, or the first time that somebody wrote you 74 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: from another country? 75 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, probably a bit of all that. And to be honest, 76 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: I was like, what are they doing with this song? 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: How did they get this song? More than oh, this 78 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: is gonna blow up? You know? I just I kind 79 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: of don't really live in that space. So at the 80 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: they sang this song the first time over and offering, right, 81 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: and we were out of our church building that wee 82 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: can We were at a race course, right, we're going 83 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: to do horse races. We were rented the building, and 84 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: they sang it over the offering and by the end 85 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: of the offering, everybody was standing up with their hands 86 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: in the air. And I remember the minister who was 87 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: visiting that day. He was the one that said this 88 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: song is going to go around the world and quickly, 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: and I'm like what, So, you know, it was just 90 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: it was a real miracle of God, and it was 91 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: lumpy and there was no kind of you know, master plan, 92 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: and I really liked that because none of us can 93 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: take credit for it. It was really magnificent. 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: You're part of the early era of this modern worship movement. 95 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: What do you remember about that season and why do 96 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: you think this style of music took off? 97 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: What's happened in the past, you know, twenty five so 98 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 4: years to kind of help this music boom. 99 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: One of the beautiful things when I looked at all 100 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: these songs we're going through. These songs, they're all songs 101 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: for the local church, written by people within the local church. 102 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: Singable songs, you know, songs that give people the ability 103 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: to release the cry of their heart and maybe they 104 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: have been aching for that ability, and these we were 105 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: trying to gather songs from that era that have stood 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: the test of time, that give the average day to 107 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 3: day person an easy way to express the depths of 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 3: their hearts to God. And I think being a part 109 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: of that time, like in Australia, and we were a 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 3: long way from anybody, you know, there were real revival days. 111 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: When I look back now, and even though it was 112 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: it got crazy and busy and crazy, but we were 113 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: living in revival days and just seeing you know, with 114 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 3: lead worship and rather than polite flap and someone walks 115 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: up and preaches lead worship and someone would do an 116 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: old call and heaps of people would come and get saved. 117 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: And it was There's a line in one of the 118 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: early songs that Russell Frager wrote and he said, anything 119 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: can happen, and probably will. That's what it was like. 120 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 3: And yes there was some messiness later, but I wouldn't 121 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 3: be sitting here today with you without those days where 122 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: God really shaped us as a community of faith. He 123 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: shaped us as a community of worship, leaders of worship, 124 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: you know, musicians, production writers. We were being formed and 125 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: forged together in this real and it was a blessing 126 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: because no one knew who we were. It was fantastic 127 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: and it was just it was like God hit us 128 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: through a season while the roots went down deep. And 129 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: I'm so thankful for those days, like really, and then 130 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: we hear these new songs coming through, and seriously, I 131 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: am in awe of some of these songwriters now that 132 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: are picking up these new frequencies. But their job is 133 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: still the same, you know, when we're when we're creating 134 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: worship for the church, you know, we're not trying to 135 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: be clever. We're trying to release something out of people. 136 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: And so when I hear some of these songs now, 137 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, sheesh, guys, go go get on our shoulders 138 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: and go as high and as wide as you can 139 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: because we're in these light revival days again, and the 140 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: new song has always coexisted with a fresh revival on 141 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: the earth. Wherever it was, it was always a new 142 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: song that accompanied, you know, historical revivals. And we're there again, 143 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: and it's oh, man, I could talk to you about 144 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: this for hours. It's so exciting. 145 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: It is it is. Let me ask you one on 146 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: a question, and I'm asking maybe one of the most 147 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: well known worship leaders in the world. What makes a 148 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: worship song? Is it the lyrics? Is it the heart? 149 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: Is it it's used in the church. How would you 150 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 2: define that or is it definable? 151 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 3: It's a really good question. Well, I would say, does 152 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: it reveal Christ? Does it exalt Jesus? I mean that's that's. 153 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: What you know. 154 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: Worship is worthship that songs will express every think, our feelings, 155 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: our emotions, a time, a memory, But actually worship reveals Christ. 156 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: That's the Holy Spirit's job is like. And when we 157 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 3: enter His gates with thanksgiving, we're not going in because 158 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: of how great we are. We're going in because of 159 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: how great He is. So, you know, if you look 160 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: at the lyric content of these songs, they're just and 161 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: Jesus be glorified. You know, we can get into the 162 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: semantics of what it is. But does it exalt Jesus? 163 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 3: Does it give you a pathway of expression to say, 164 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: in the safety of the presence of God, Jesus, I 165 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 3: love you, Jesus, I trust you, Jesus. 166 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: I thank you. 167 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: And I think you know, the more pathways we make 168 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: where people we just reveal the worth of God. Yeah, 169 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: I think we're on the brink of something so magnivous. 170 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 3: And the worship is timeless and eternal. That's the other thing. 171 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: We'll see some of these songs, you know, they just 172 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: they're like standards in our life because every time you 173 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: see them, they will do the same thing. They'll reveal Jesus. 174 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: Darlene check with the new movie The House of Worship. 175 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 4: Darlene, thanks so much, Thanks me. 176 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: If you enjoy today's interview, please make sure to subscribe 177 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: and share the episode with a friend. A big thanks 178 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: to the team at life Audio for their partnership with 179 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: us on the podcast. 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