1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Well, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Erin Mullan Show. It is so great 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: to have your company as always. Now this looks incredibly unprofessional. 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: I will be the first to admit it. It's been 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: a long day and I've made a last minute detour 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: which I will tell you about in tomorrow's show, and 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: I will bring you lots of really good stuff, I 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: promise as a result of this last minute detail. But 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: what it means is that I can't film a proper 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: introduction in a proper setup because I'm still not at 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: my hotel. I went to the wrong hotel. A friend 12 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: was so kind and ordered my uber for me to 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: the wrong hotel, so they've let me use a room 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: for two minutes to charge my phone and try and 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: film this introduction so I can get it to my 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: incredible editor. 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: Before cut off time. 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: But let me tell you, I have two incredible guests, 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: so we're going to keep this short, but I promise 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: it will be worth it tomorrow. My first guest is 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: telling us a story about a group of people he 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: says are the most persecuted in Iran. He says this 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: is a story that has never been told, never been told, 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: and now well this is as good a time as 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: any to tell it. Hopefully of the next day or 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: so we'll have some breaking, massive news regarding potential external 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: involvement to back up what the brave, courageous people of 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: Iran have done thus far. 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: Fingers crossed, I'll bring it to you. 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: You know, as it happens, we'll bring it to you, 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: So stay tuned to the Aaron Mollanchoe. My second guest 32 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: is a man called Kevin Cohen. He talks about lone 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: wolf terrorists and it's fascinating and terrifying, to be honest, 34 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: far more terrifying off the back of the Bondai massacre 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: in Australia and we've seen incidents like that all over 36 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: the world, and he says they will keep occurring, and 37 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: he explains why, and I say to him, well, how 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: do you stop these lone wolfs. It's a hard chat 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: to listen to, if I'm being honest, if you're looking 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: for comfort, but unfortunately, the world we live in right now, 41 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: it's not overly comforting, is it. So you might as 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: well be equipped with as much information as possible to 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: try and survive. And that sounds very outlandish and I 44 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: mean a little bit intense, but it's actually just the truth, 45 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: which is unfortunate. 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: But we fight. 47 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: We keep fighting so that it won't be the truth 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: for long. So again, forgive this unprofessional background. It looks 49 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: like I'm in one of those motels from movies where 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: axe murderers visit. Let's hope for the sake of all 51 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: those here that doesn't occur. I'm about to leave, so 52 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: I should be okay. Love you all, Thank you so 53 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Tomorrow is going to be a 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: big episode. In fact, I'll tell you where I'm going 55 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: in the morning, to Mary Lago, and I think there 56 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: might be a couple of big names there, I think. 57 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: Love you all. 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: Can't wait to bring you the latest from their apologies 59 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: again from the room they've let me use that is 60 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: not overly professional, but the show is, my learned friends, 61 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: a very professional show. Love you all, Please enjoy as 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: always and stay tuned for all the latest, particularly coming 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: out of Iran at the moment. 64 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: So fek. 65 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: First of all, thank you so so much for joining 66 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: us here on the Aaron Mollan Show, and welcome. 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you Arden for having me on your show. 68 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. 69 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your willing to share your story because 70 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: I know how hard it is in the price a 71 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: lot of people pay for doing so. 72 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: So let me give you a platform. What is your story? 73 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: Thank you obviously. Once again, my story is I am 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 4: an Huazi Arab. I am from a land that was 75 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 4: occupied in nineteen twenty five, and my people have been 76 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 4: living under systematic oppression ever since. For the past hundred years, 77 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 4: we have been oppressed, imprisoned, killed, or sent away or 78 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: deliberately taken away from our land. 79 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: And tell me now, pretend we're in kindergarten here. Tell 80 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: me where is your land? Who came in and took it? 81 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: And tell me why. 82 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 5: I am obviously going to show you a picture. I've 83 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 5: prepared that because obviously with the with the systematic oppression 84 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 5: that is going on by the Iranian government, nobody is 85 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 5: willing to come out because they're scared for their lives. 86 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Now, if you look at the map, the 87 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: yellow part is Alaha was Okay, so on the other 88 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 4: side of the Gulf, opposite us the Saudi Kuwait emirates Qatar, 89 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 4: but that is opposite us. On the other side of 90 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 4: the Gulf and right next to us is Iran and 91 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: next on the other side is Raq. So our our position, 92 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 4: we are positioned right in the middle, and everybody is 93 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: trying to take a piece of land from us. How however, 94 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 4: right now we are under the occupation of Iran for 95 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 4: the past hundred years, and Iran ever since they have 96 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: taken over, they have taken our oil because Awars is 97 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: an oil rich country. If if we get their numbers right, 98 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: most probably it's it's more than all the Arab countries combined. 99 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: Wow. 100 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and none of that oil wealth is going to 101 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: our people. There's eight million Arabs awasi Is that live 102 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 4: on that land. 103 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: What do they do to control you? 104 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: Is it the similar kind of methods that they use 105 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: in Iran that there's obviously consequence speak. 106 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: Out one hundred percent, but at least ten times more. 107 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 4: We are targeted by both side of the coin, whether 108 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 4: it's the shop people or the Islamic people. We are 109 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 4: targeted by both sides of the coin because our land 110 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: is oil rich land and they want that resources. Plus, 111 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 4: we have natural gas as well as that we are 112 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: on the border of the water, so we have the water, 113 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 4: we have the oil, and we have the gas. However, 114 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: we don't have the power. 115 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: So what do you want. 116 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Are there people in place if this regime, the Islamic 117 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: regime in Iran four to take power back, or are 118 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: you worried that whoever then moves into Iran will also 119 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: take control of your area. 120 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: There's no such a thing of anybody else taking over 121 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: our area anymore. We are ready to take over. 122 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 2: We are in place. There is more than ten. 123 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 4: Political parties that have been working for the past thirty 124 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 4: years in the western side, and they are ready to 125 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 4: take over. We have a parliament in place that is 126 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: recognized by multiple countries. We have everything, all the structures. 127 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: We have communicated with Donald Trump, We have communicated with 128 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: all the leaders that we are ready to take over 129 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 4: and we are ready to work with the Western countries. 130 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 4: We want a civilized country. We want the right to 131 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: determine our future. We don't want to be oppressed. We 132 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 4: want to give the rights to everyone to decide what 133 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: they want to be as a human. That's what we 134 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: want because right in now we are forced to speak FARSI, 135 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: were forced to be shere, we were forced to be 136 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 4: following their rules. We're forced to do so many things 137 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: and we are being forced to run away from our land, 138 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: even the water is taken away. 139 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, why do you think your story is not 140 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: more broadly. 141 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: Known, because when when the takeover happened, it was a 142 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: combination of Britain and the uh and Iran just to 143 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: have a powerhouse against a certain country. We I don't 144 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 4: want to name that at this time, but when that happened, 145 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 4: after that happened, and when the oil was was found, 146 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 4: there was a disagreement between Britain and the Shah, and 147 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 4: ever since, Iranians have decided to oppress us to a 148 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 4: point where we cannot speak. If we speak, we get killed. 149 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: So when you say Iranians, are you talking about the 150 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: Islamic regime of around now in place? 151 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 4: Yes, prior and now they've threatened me saying that we 152 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 4: will definitely kill you if you come back to a 153 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 4: wars to both sides have threatened me. 154 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: And what is your stake to this? In particular? You're 155 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: in air yourself? Are you I am? 156 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: I am obviously our king. 157 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: We are. 158 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 4: We are made of tribes in Ahwas, we have made 159 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 4: of tribes. At the time of the occupation, they have 160 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: invaded the country and took away our king at that time. Yep. 161 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: Also they have killed my great grandfather and the Islamic 162 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 4: the Islamic government killed seventy people of my family in 163 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: one day. 164 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 165 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 4: And they are killing on a daily basis, but nobody 166 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 4: knows about it because the Internet is limited, the Instagram 167 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: is controlled, everything is controlled in Ahaz. But right now 168 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: we have, thank god, we have a lot of youngsters 169 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 4: that are coming up and knowing about the system and 170 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: feeding us with all the information and all the videos 171 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 4: and everything that's going on in AHAs. There right now, 172 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: there is military in Ahaz. Military. The Ranian military is 173 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: based in AHAs, so they can oppress us because they're 174 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 4: worried if we come out then everything would fall apart. 175 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: Do you final question, do you believe the fall of 176 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: this Islamic grea game is imminent? 177 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: And is this finally the chance for freedom for your people? 178 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 2: I believe. 179 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 4: I believe this is the year that my people will 180 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: have their freedom. I believe this is the end to 181 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: the hundred years that we have been oppressed. We have 182 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: been killed, we have been imprisoned. The things that they 183 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 4: have done to us, it's beyond imagination, is very cruel. 184 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, and even obviously I am I 185 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 4: live in the West and I am married to somebody 186 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 4: from the West. Even my partner is scared for my life. Yeah, yeah, 187 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: it's imagined. Imagine for your partner to be scared for 188 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 4: your life. It's it's insane. And they don't even know 189 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 4: where Iran is. Where as is. 190 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: I know the feeling, my friend. 191 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,239 Speaker 1: This space is fraught with people who want to eradicate 192 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: you if they don't like, well, you say what you 193 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: stand for. 194 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: Thank you Chafek so very much for joining us. 195 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your story, and I'd love to 196 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: get you back on as this progresses so we can 197 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: continue to follow the progress of your country and your people. 198 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 4: Definitely, thank you. Thank you, Thank youks so much for 199 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 4: having me on your show, and hopefully we can continue 200 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 4: the information and the conversation furthermore. 201 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 3: Bless you Kevin Cohen, Thank you so very much for 202 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: joining me here on the Aaron Mullan Show. 203 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 6: Thank you very much, my pleasure. 204 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: It's wonderful to have your expertise. You're so good in 205 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: this space. Tell my audience who you are and what 206 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: the space is that you inhabit. 207 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 6: Thank you. 208 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 7: I lead in recent recent years, I read Real Eye, 209 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 7: which is a cyber intelligence firm that primarily focuses a 210 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 7: national security and investigation on the space of homeland security 211 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 7: and immigration. So that's sort of a grand scheme of things. 212 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 7: That's what we do, and we work with some of 213 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 7: the more prominent intelligence agencies and organizations worldwide. 214 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: So in a nutshell, immigration big word at the moment, 215 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: being talked about a lot, particularly when it comes to 216 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: the West, and this kind of suicidal empathy is what 217 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: doctor Gard said refers to it as when we seem 218 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: to just think that the best thing for everyone is 219 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: to let a hoard of people in from countries who 220 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: do not reflect our values and without doing the kind 221 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: of due diligence that you would expect a government to do. 222 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: Can you tell me, first of all, what the situation is, 223 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: let's say, in the West with immigration, and how worried 224 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: we should be. 225 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, So if you're looking, if you're going to look 226 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 7: at data that stems over the course of the past 227 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 7: decade from Europe with the fall of ISIS and the 228 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 7: mass influx of mass, unvetted undocumented immigration coming into Germany 229 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 7: for example, where Mrkel came out in twenty fifteen, where 230 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 7: schaffened us. She basically what she meant to say is 231 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 7: that we can do this, we can pull this off. 232 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 7: And ultimately, what you've seen in Germany specifically, you've seen 233 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 7: the two million people were taking in over the course 234 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 7: of four years. Specifically, in twenty fifteen, almost one million 235 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 7: unvetted undocumented immigrants were taking in from Iraq, Iran and Syria. 236 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 7: And these individuals are coming in with no data, no record, 237 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 7: with the fabricated papers. At times the vast majority of 238 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 7: them are not refugees of war, desperate refugees of war, 239 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 7: but economic migrants or men of fighting age. 240 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 6: And what you've seen ultimately that the data sort of 241 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 6: speaks or echoes in volumes. 242 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 7: Over the course of the past decade, cases of jihadist 243 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 7: related convictions, arrests, and charges in Germany have tripled from 244 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 7: thirty eight hundred to eleven thousand. 245 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 6: We've seen the Chrystals market attacks to the attacks and Magdeburg. 246 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 6: We've seen the attack last year. 247 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 7: We've seen the attack in Munich, and we've also seen 248 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 7: in other territories in EU member states similar sequences and 249 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 7: patterns that are's replication, mimicking the same type of behavior 250 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 7: and rhetoric, and we've seen attacks in Austria and attacks 251 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 7: foiled in Austria quite recently. We've seen multiple attacks in 252 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 7: the UK, specifically in Oxbridge last month and Afghan immigrants 253 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 7: with the murder attack stabbing three individuals to death. 254 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 6: And we've seen other instances in the UK. 255 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 7: The Manchester Synagogue attacks, and they're all part of the 256 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 7: same problem that stems from the complete absence of vetting 257 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 7: in the immigrant space of immigration, or the complete absence 258 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 7: of what we consider long term monitoring potential problems or 259 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 7: suspects or issues and that designated place. So you know 260 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 7: that's set aside. We also have a much bigger problem 261 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 7: in the US and during the error you've had almost 262 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 7: eleven million individuals coming in undocumented, unvetted, literally crossing in 263 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 7: walking into into the US. Just so you can get 264 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 7: sort of an idea around the numbers. Out of the 265 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 7: eleven million individuals that have been coming in, only four 266 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 7: hundreds were identified as potential terror watch list suspect. So 267 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 7: that sort of just gives you sort of an idea 268 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 7: about how much is out there at the present moment, 269 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 7: which is unknown. 270 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: Tell me this and I guess it's your opinion. The 271 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: government's number one job. 272 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: Is to protect its people, to keep us safe. Everything 273 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: else flows on from that. Are they negligent? 274 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: Do they just not care? Are they devious? 275 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: I mean, how can any leader allow this to occur? 276 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: Or do they not understand themselves that are proper vetting 277 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: this is not occurring? I'm trying to I mean, they've 278 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: got kids. How could any Western leader be okay and 279 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: go to sleep at night okay letting in the kind 280 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: of people that could kill his child. 281 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 6: We're not politicians. 282 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 7: We don't do well with the interpretations of certain behaviors 283 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 7: or attitudes and government or what's the motivation or sort 284 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 7: of incentive behind them. I could tell you on the 285 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 7: fact finding basis of the data that has sort of 286 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 7: meticized that in the UK. Basically there's there are various 287 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 7: schemes of incentives that are being rolled out for immigrants 288 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 7: that are being brought in, and so the whole system 289 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 7: is basically in industry right, and this sequence of this 290 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 7: repeating sequence or the psychle behavior or attitude towards undocumented 291 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 7: or on the migrants coming in or pouring into various 292 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 7: EU member states, you're seeing that sequence replicated where these 293 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 7: various scheme means are endorsed and supported by. 294 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 6: Brussels and various NGOs. 295 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 7: So again not very good with having to interpret the 296 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 7: behavioral motivation behind various actions. 297 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 6: But these are just the facts as they're rolled out. 298 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 7: When you know, in the case of what's happening in 299 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 7: North America, you know there's again various interpretations for what 300 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 7: could be the political motivation of bringing in you. 301 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 6: Know, various audiences. 302 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, potential votes or the potential future mandates for. 303 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 6: Or electorals a certain side. 304 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, you know, with 305 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 7: that type of influx at scale, there's obviously the unmeasurable 306 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 7: risk that's associated with it. And what you're seeing in 307 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 7: America is basically the problem at scale. I mean, you've 308 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 7: had forty one thousand boat migrants coming in over the 309 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 7: course of twenty twenty five into the UK, but in 310 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 7: the US you have almost eleven million subjects. 311 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 6: Vast majority of them are basically treated. 312 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 7: From day one as we're coming in, no record, no 313 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 7: previous understanding of who they are, where they're from, what 314 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 7: they want, why they're coming in, who they're associated with, 315 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 7: and so you know, if you're taking into account, but 316 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 7: the vast majority of them are just hardworking individuals that 317 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 7: are looking to basically make your life for themselves, or 318 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 7: if you'd like to label them economic migrants. 319 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 6: You know, the numbers are. 320 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 7: So vast that just the potential risks that a threat 321 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 7: of them could be could be associated with very serial 322 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 7: groups or militant groups or terrorist organizations. It's a risk 323 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 7: it's too too big to handle. 324 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: So what do we do then, Kevin? You look around 325 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: the world and the floodgates have been opened. And in America, 326 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: President Trump has done an incredible job of shutting off 327 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: the border, regaining control. But there's a whole horde of 328 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: people that you've just spoken about in that country, unvetted, 329 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: who could at any time choose to act in a 330 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: way that hurts innocent people. 331 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: And we look at Australia. 332 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: We gave i think three thousand visas to Gazans almost 333 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: immediately after October seven in this country. No other country 334 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: gave even close to that amount. I mean, people from 335 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: a terrorist run nation. In the UK, it's a huge issue. 336 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: Where do you even start to look at who's there? 337 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: How do you even find out is that where agencies 338 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: like yours come in. How can we keep ourselves safe 339 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: when people who wish us harm are already in our 340 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: societies and our communities. 341 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 7: The first sort of needed course of action is the 342 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 7: change of perception. Traditionally, agencies have been looking to survey 343 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 7: or to use various surveillance tools to try and intercept 344 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 7: potential problems. And I think the key now is to 345 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 7: better understand behavior or a sentiment or a gender to 346 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 7: see if whether any of these individuals, the millions of 347 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 7: them that are currently residing in the country, they could 348 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 7: be awaiting their next court. 349 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 6: Date or hearing. 350 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 7: You'd want to assess or better understand who they're associated with, 351 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 7: the type of narrative or ideology that they're aligned with, 352 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 7: and if there's a red flag that comes about, then 353 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 7: you know, you want to assess and identify these potential 354 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 7: threats before they materialize. 355 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 6: But obviously, with the type. 356 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 7: Of figures that we're talking, I mean, the only Trump 357 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 7: is right by rolling out the very strict measures that 358 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 7: they're being played out and the evident reality of what's 359 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 7: happening with ICE. 360 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 6: In various states. 361 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 7: The you know, the right sort of action item is reimmigration, 362 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 7: and you're seeing that you're seeing various European member states 363 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 7: that are now wanting to depart from the constituency of 364 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 7: the Human the European Court of Human Rights, so they 365 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 7: can basically act based on their own to revoke citizenships 366 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 7: and to revoke ausil on cases without being penalized. Yeah, 367 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 7: and so so you know, you're seeing this process being 368 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 7: ushered in America, You're seeing this process being ushered in Europe, 369 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 7: and you know, falling through with the sentiment that up 370 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 7: until several years ago would have been percepted very very conservative. 371 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 7: But now you know, during if you're seeing what's happening 372 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 7: in terms of the recent attacks that have been foiled, 373 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 7: the attacks have. 374 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 6: Been material that have materialized. 375 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 7: I mean, there's no other option but the complete absence 376 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 7: of vetting, you know, you'd have to sort of there's 377 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 7: the need for a detour or for extreme measures at 378 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 7: this point. 379 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: Extreme measures, I mean lone wolfs is something I think 380 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: that terrifies a lot of people because they're kind of 381 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: used by government and law enforcement as well. What could 382 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: we have done their lone wolfs? Okay, let's move on, 383 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: But surely we've got to be better than that. And 384 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: the people of nations who put these leaders in place 385 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: deserve better than that. Can you talk to me about 386 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: this lone wolf idea, what it means, who it is, 387 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: and how do we stop someone whose ideology and hate 388 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: and ill intention is only in their head, so they're 389 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: not communicating with someone else to have it, you know, 390 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: to be intercepted by authorities, How do we stop those 391 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: kind of attacks. 392 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 7: So, unless you'll see obvious statements online, whether it's suicide 393 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 7: ideation or sympathizing with the hardest organizations, or the clear 394 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 7: intent of acting, it's virtually impossible to intercept or eradicate 395 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 7: ideas right, and so whether it's a mental instability or 396 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 7: a mental health issue, or whether it has to do 397 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 7: with radicalized agenda as we've seen in Australia, it's very difficult. 398 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 7: It's almost virtually impossible to intercept or foil these attacks 399 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 7: because they're sporadic. 400 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 6: And they're random. 401 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 7: The fact that the matter remains that lone wolf attacks 402 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 7: they're not taking orders from anybody, the majority of them 403 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 7: when beingcentivized, not financially, and they're not they're not connected 404 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 7: or affiliated directly with a certain organization that they haven't 405 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 7: received training. It's basically an individual that acts upon their 406 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 7: own merits. So again to answer your question, having to 407 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 7: account these numbers coming in pouring into various states, you know, 408 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 7: it's virtually impossible to identify or assess the risk. 409 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 6: Of where it's going to come from and when. What 410 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 6: we do in really, for example, we assess. 411 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 7: Behavior, agenda, sentiment, narrative, these heuristics is sort of perhaps 412 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 7: on the software side, we're trying to better understand through 413 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 7: the full picture without having to intercept into someone's device 414 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 7: or undermine their privacy. And so that's one angle to 415 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 7: take what we consider self, What are you looking for 416 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 7: in that? 417 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: What's something that might seem innocuous to me that might 418 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: red flag for you. 419 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 7: Well, it could be if you're looking at someone's timeline 420 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 7: and you're seeing the passionate advocacy for you know, for 421 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 7: a certain terence group or a certain cause, that somebody 422 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 7: is very passionate about it. It's perfectly fine to have 423 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 7: an opinion, but if you see that someone is getting 424 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 7: a little too on the extreme side, you know, you 425 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 7: can with good confidence you can then decide that there's 426 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 7: the potential prospect that this individual sort of going overboard. Also, 427 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 7: the presence in various forums and groups and chats, again, 428 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 7: we're focused only what we consider open source. But with 429 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 7: today's tech, I'm not sure if your audience is familiar 430 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 7: with the different terms, but natural language processing capabilities basically 431 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 7: AI allows you to take large audiences at scale, many 432 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 7: many people once and simultaneously, based on various labels, see 433 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 7: if they're entertaining certain ideas and they're calling or inciting 434 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 7: for violence, or they're embracing a certain agenda or a 435 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 7: narrative that's. 436 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 6: Hateful or violence. 437 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 7: And then you know, if somebody comes up and there 438 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 7: you can assess that there's a potential threat, it's on 439 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 7: the horizon. And that's what basically where we're aiding with 440 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 7: the streamlining of decision making in that particular space. But again, 441 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 7: you know, with an Israel we have a problem with 442 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 7: wolf attackers. It has to do with a territorial religious 443 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 7: conflict that's been going on for decades and the way 444 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 7: in the West we don't have immigration in Israel right, 445 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 7: not in the conventional form in the West. It's a 446 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 7: whole different sort of predicament, isn't it. Because you're talking 447 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 7: about peaceful territories that have seen they haven't seen any 448 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 7: of the scale and the intensity that they're experiencing. 449 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 6: Now take Sweden, for example, Germany, and. 450 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 7: You know they've taken a massive, massive intake of unvetted 451 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 7: and undocumented migrants from various countries. Sort of the social 452 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 7: contract sort of tears apart because you know, you're take 453 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 7: in immigrants to better the country and to bring out 454 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 7: of value, and you're taking assyl seekers or refugees to 455 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 7: provide them shelter and provide refuge and so none of 456 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 7: these conditions have been applied. You know, you're talking about 457 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 7: millions and millions of people that haven't met any of 458 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 7: the criteria men of fighting age, hundreds of thousands of 459 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 7: individuals pouring into these countries every year, and now you're 460 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 7: you know, you're you're stuck in a bit of a 461 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 7: limbo because a lot of them are not assimulating into society. 462 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 7: They're un educated, they're cultivating different cultures, different belief systems, 463 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 7: and that's a breeding ground for separatism, and so sort 464 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 7: of that's one issue, and the other issue is that 465 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 7: you're going to have terrorist organizations and radical factions from 466 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 7: their advantage point, you know, that's a low hanging fruit 467 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 7: and they're taking advantage of that disparity and you know, 468 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 7: some of these individuals are unemployed, disenfranchised, and so you 469 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 7: know that there's a it's a breeding ground for potential 470 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 7: threats and hostility that comes from within. 471 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: Do you think if we continue down this path or 472 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: are we already? And particularly the UK comes to mind initially, 473 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: and of course places. 474 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: In the EU, is it too far gone? Do you think? 475 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: What do we and how big is the problem? 476 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: Like how worried should people be who believe in peace 477 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: and freedom and democracy and want to preserve the values 478 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: of Western civilization. 479 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 6: Specifically in the UK. 480 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 7: I mean, if you're talking data and numbers, forty one 481 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 7: thousand individuals coming in, you don't know who they are, 482 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 7: what they want, who they're associated with. That's a takeing 483 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 7: time bomb. And again not to suggest not to marginalize 484 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 7: or profile everybody, to say that they have sinister of 485 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 7: malicious in sense some of these individuals are obviously desperate 486 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 7: enough to do what it. 487 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: Nevertheless, even if two out of forty thousands have malicious intent, 488 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: they can kill tens and you know that's. 489 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, that's right. 490 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 7: But the interpretation of lone wolf terror does not only 491 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 7: inflict on suicide attacks or violent crimes like you're talking 492 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 7: about sexual predators and just individuals that are basically cultivating 493 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 7: the cultures and norms that they they've embraced from their 494 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 7: home countries and at the end of the day, the 495 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 7: demography's destiny. 496 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 6: So these guys are coming in, there's no veto. 497 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 7: They're coming into an incentivized cycle with self sufficient interest 498 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 7: that play into the hands of various individuals, and you know, 499 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 7: they're breaking every code or in the playbook of immigration 500 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 7: to the point where now you have, like I said, 501 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 7: the taking time bomb, I'm home Soil and the forty 502 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 7: one thousand individuals in the UK, you're talking about a 503 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 7: silent cases that are going to take on for years 504 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 7: and years to come. So once they've ushered their way in, 505 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 7: it's going to become virtually impossible to get them out. 506 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's terrifying. Kevin. You are phenomenal. 507 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 3: Your breadth of knowledge here is astounding. You bring receipts. 508 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: As they like to say in the online space, thank 509 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: you so so much for thank you highlighting the problem 510 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: and giving us some solutions. I have zero confidence in 511 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: any government to actually put them in place, but keep 512 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: doing what you're doing. 513 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: It's brilliant. 514 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 6: Thank you. 515 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: Very much, Thank you for tuning in. As always, we 516 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: love you. 517 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: Make sure you tune into tomorrow's show because I will 518 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: bring you everything that happened from the ground at Marr Lago. 519 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: It is an ever change enging, fast paced environment and 520 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: we will bring it to you as it breaks. 521 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: Always love you all.