1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Natural Health with naturopathic doctor Lauren Deville. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Christian Natural Health is the podcast on how to get 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: and stay healthy God's Way. You'll hear topics on nutrition, exercise, sleep, 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: avoiding toxicity, meditating on scripture, what supplements to take, stress management, 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: defeating anxiety and worry, how to reconcile Eastern medicine approaches 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: with Christianity, and a whole lot more. Now here's your host, 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: doctor Lauren. 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health Today. 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: I'm very pleased to have Cynthia Scott with us. Cynthia 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: has led prayer initiatives across Pittsburgh and beyond, including citywide gatherings, 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 2: prayer for national events, and a daily prayer call for 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 2: the nation. Passionate about honoring God and praying for revival 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: in America, she has written numerous prayer guides and now 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: offers celebrating God, our Founder at America's two hundred and 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: fiftieth Birthday the book. This work reflects her conviction that 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: God's providence shaped the United States and calls believers to 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: honor Him as our true founder and to help shape 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,639 Speaker 2: our future through prayer. Cynthia resides near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome Cynthia. 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us. 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely so tell us a little bit about the 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: inspiration for the book. What made you decide to write it. 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure that the timing makes sense, but what made 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: you feel like this was something that needed to be 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: kind of reminded to our culture at large. 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 3: I'd love to share that story. I four or five 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: years ago worked with my pastor on leading congregational prayer 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: meetings for our church outside of Pittsburgh, and I was 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: inspired to pray with the nation out of the history 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: of the nation for those so I wrote a series 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: of prayers starting with the Pilgrims, ending up through the 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: Emancipation Proclamation, American Prosperity, how we look forward? And when 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: I got to about the fourth or fifth prayer, I 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: realized that God himself was our found you know, we 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: talk about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and all those 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 3: wonderful men and women, Abigail Adams, I mean, there are 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: others that are wonderful that were responsible for the founding 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: of the nation, but behind them was God himself, and 39 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: it was just it was sort of an epiphany moment 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: for me because I'd never learned that most of the 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: things that I researched I never learned in school growing up. 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: It had been removed from our curriculum far before that. 43 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: So those prayers sat in my laptop for a few years, 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 3: and in May God opened a door. He really spoke 45 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: to my spirit and said, I'm opening a door for 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: you to put this into a book, which I had 47 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: thought about before, because I thought people need to know 48 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 3: what our true history is. And as we celebrate America 49 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 3: two fifty, it's just my passion that God would be 50 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: honored as our true founder, that Americans would know our 51 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: real history. And there are many other benefits to that 52 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: for the reader, for example, engaging with God in a 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: meaningful way through the prayers to celebrate two point fifty, 54 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: to have courage knowing the facts of our founding so 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: that we can defend our freedoms. And so that was 56 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: the inspiration really that God would be honored. 57 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: That's really cool. So in the Old Testament, one of 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: the things that strikes me is when God tells the Israelites, 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: tell your children the stories of all of these amazing 60 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: times that I've come through and all of the great miracles, 61 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: because it builds faith in the generation now to look 62 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: back and see how He's been faithful in the past. 63 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: So it sounds like this is like the equivalent of 64 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: what we're doing for us as Americans. 65 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: Right, There's no doubt that was an inspiration to me, 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: knowing that God recounted many times throughout the scriptures the 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: parting of the Red Sea, and in a way America. 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: The creation of America was so dramatic for the history 69 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: of the world. The freedoms that we have are so rare, 70 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: and we are to recount his mini acts. 71 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: I believe in America absolutely. Okay, so give us a 72 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: little bit of a taste so people will want to 73 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: go out and check out the book a little bit. 74 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: So from the pilgrims first coming over, that of course 75 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: was religious freedom. But tell us about some of the 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: miracles that were involved in their ability to even start 77 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: the colonies in the first place. 78 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 3: Well, I would say that the fact that they did 79 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: not land where they were supposed to. Let actually, let's 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 3: just go back. They were in a tiny ship. It was, 81 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: I said the book. They prayed their way across that ocean, 82 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 3: because can you imagine being in the look. I can't 83 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: imagine anyway. But they were blown off course, and I 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: think that was a miracle because when they landed in Plymouth, 85 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: they were not under the governing documents of the Virginia 86 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: Colony that they had been sent to, so they had 87 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 3: to create their own document, the Mayflower Compact, And this 88 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: really was the beginning of representative self government. And it 89 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: was also the covenant that God made with America, the 90 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: beginning of that covenant with America. And so they made 91 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: a covenant with God. They made a covenant with each other. 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: And that covenantal relationship that we have with God in 93 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: our founding is really important because what we see is 94 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: God returning to us in times when we've declined, and 95 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 3: that's because we are in this relationship with him. 96 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued by the fact that you use the 97 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: word covenant there. Can you tell me a little bit 98 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: more about what specifically was the covenant that they made 99 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: with God as their part and what was God's part? 100 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: How did they delineate that? 101 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: Well, just to say it simply, they agreed that He 102 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: would be their God and they would be his people, 103 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 3: that they would live in obedience to him in relationship 104 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 3: with him. It's a covenant, is an agreement. Like the 105 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: Old Testament is the Old Covenant, the New Testament is 106 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: the New Covenant, as we know. And so that was 107 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: their desire to live in relationship in agreement with God. 108 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: And it's a two way street. God we know is 109 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: faithful and sometimes when we've fall, he picks us up 110 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 3: and yet and he says, return to me, and I 111 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: will return to you. So it's really important to understand 112 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,559 Speaker 3: that we were founded based on a covenant with God. 113 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: And I think that that explains things like the first 114 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: grade Awakening, the second grade Awakening, and the prosperity and 115 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: the blessing. And I'm not going into the prosperity gospel here, 116 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: I'm just saying the blessing is the prosperity that we 117 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 3: have enjoyed as a result of being faithful to God 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 3: in the past. We live under that blessing. 119 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so tell us a couple more of the 120 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: stories through our founding of Okay, divine moments where God 121 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: came through. It was truly a miracle. There was no 122 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: other way. This had to be God that actually came 123 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: through for us. 124 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, let's start with the Declaration of Independence and 125 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: what happened just before, because you know, the American colonies 126 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: were steeped in a biblical worldview leading up to that 127 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 3: time of us declaring our freedom. But early in the 128 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: seventeen hundreds we had a spiritual decline and God sent 129 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: amazing pastors preachers to write, especially George Whitfield, who came 130 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: over from England, who was friends of the Wesley brothers. 131 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: You know about him, and what I didn't know, what 132 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: I didn't realize, is how instrumental God was in using 133 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: him to unite the colonies. So he preached being born again. 134 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: He preached that it was more important to be a 135 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: Christian than a member of any specific denomination. Different colonies 136 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: were primarily different denominations, and they were separated by that 137 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: more than we think of it in our day. He 138 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: preached God loved the people. And as he preached, and 139 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: people came into a deeper relationship with God and came 140 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: to know God, they were united in Christ. And they 141 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: were united in Christ far before they were united as colonists. 142 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: And as he preached freedom in Christ, those pastors picked 143 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: up that notion and preached freedom from their pulpits. And 144 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: so the activity of God, moving from freedom in Christ 145 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: to hey, we're under a tyrannical king. We need to 146 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: be free from him too. That really shaped our declaration 147 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: of Independence. And we see where it's like we hold 148 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: these truths to be self evident. That all men are 149 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: created equal, endowed with inalienable, unalienable rights by our creator 150 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: God is a part of the foundation of our founding documents, 151 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: and that to me is miraculous. Then we go on 152 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: to see the Revolutionary War, and there were many times 153 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: that God used weather, for example, to help Washington. You know, 154 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: the Battle of Long Island. He's escaping with his troops 155 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: over the East River, and they do it under the 156 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: cloak of night. But then sunlight begins, the sun begins 157 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: to rise, and they are still not all across the river. 158 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: And what happens, This unexpected and miraculous fog rises and 159 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: it shields them from being seen by the British. God 160 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: also used weather in that battle to prevent the ships, 161 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: the fleet of ships that would have come up and 162 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: cut him off. So here this and this was a 163 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: pivotal point. There were many pivotal points in the Revolutionary War, 164 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: but this was a pivotal point. And it saved the army. 165 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: It saved the army. God also saved Washington himself many times. 166 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 3: If we look back at the French and Indian War, 167 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: we see him recounting to his brother in a letter 168 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: that he had two horses shot from underneath him, he 169 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 3: had bullets all through his coat, and yet he was unharmed. 170 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: God was preparing him for a greater assignment. Then he 171 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 3: moved to that position as general of the army. Eventually 172 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: he moved into being the first president of the United 173 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: States after and he at the end of the war 174 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: gave God the credit. He said, it's a man, and 175 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 3: I paraphrase with this would be more than an infidel 176 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: to think that God in his providence had not brought 177 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: them through Washington and was unlike what they try to 178 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: tell us, some of these historians that have revised history. 179 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: I believe Washington was a deep faith, a deep Christian faith, 180 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: a man of prayer. He had a mother who prayed, 181 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: and what those prayers produced. We should all be encouraged 182 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: to pray for our children and grandchildren if we have them, 183 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 3: and other people's right, because what God does in response 184 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 3: to those prayers is really miraculous and then maybe one 185 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: of the greatest miracles with regard to George Washington is 186 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: he stepped down after eight years. Many people wanted to 187 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: make him king and he refused. He said it was 188 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: the worst thing that he'd seen during the whole war, 189 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: that somebody wanted to make him a king. So we 190 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: see One's hand in the character of this man as 191 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: he shaped him. He protected him, he raised him up. 192 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: He put him in a very difficult place, but he 193 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: never left him, and he helped him. And it's so encouraging, 194 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 3: and we can continue on. I mean, God also worked 195 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: in the founding of or the writing i should say, 196 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: of our constitution. Right, they met after the war had 197 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: been won, and then they had to figure out how 198 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: to govern and these states. And you know something I 199 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 3: don't think we understand is that these were very difficult 200 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: and tumultuous times. There was a lot of vision. I mean, 201 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: we think we're living in the only time right vision. Right, 202 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: we say, what would the found somebody asked me, what 203 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: would the founders have thought? They would have thought, this 204 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: is what is to be expected of men. This is 205 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: why we had to write our founding documents in the 206 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: way that we did. 207 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: And balances and everything. 208 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, You're exactly right. And the fact that I mean, 209 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: and think about where that came from, that concept came 210 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: from the depravity of man. They knew they'd lived under 211 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: this tyrannical king, under kings, and they knew that they 212 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: had to protect the colonies and this new fledgling nation 213 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: from that kind of control by one man. So they 214 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: wrote a constitution that put the law above the man. 215 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: And so so even our leaders, all of our leaders, 216 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: they are accountable to the laws of the land. They 217 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: are not free to make individual decisions. And that I 218 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: am amazed. I have to tell you, I really am amazed. 219 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: I think about this, and I think God is so 220 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: brilliant in the way he structured this, because he provided 221 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: freedom for all people, not just the people that followed 222 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 3: him or loved him. But that's how good he is. 223 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: I mean, who wouldn't want to follow him? He's so good. 224 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: He provides freedom for all. So another miraculous thing. I 225 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: particularly when writing this book and praying through it, loved 226 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: learning about John Quincy Adams. 227 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: Interesting. 228 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: He is a man, was a man whose life is 229 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: spanned from the time of Washington. He watched the Battle 230 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: of Bunker Hill with his mother all way up to 231 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: the time of being in Congress and knowing Lincoln, can 232 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: you imagine really amazing, so stunning. He was an incredibly 233 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: godly man. He came from godly parents, John and Abigil Adams, 234 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: all wonderful, strong Christians people, and he was president and 235 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: think about this humility. He was elected president and he 236 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: didn't think he had a particularly stellar term. Afterwards, his 237 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: constituents came to him and asked him to run for 238 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: Congress and he said, yes, I mean to some people 239 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: that would be like lowering. 240 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. 241 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: He felt as though God had yet another assignment for him. 242 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: And he was the one who really took the cause 243 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: of abolition before the Congress, prior to the Civil War. 244 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: He was that voice, he was that reread of freedom 245 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: that I mean, it's a divine thread, it's the hand 246 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: of God. Because remember, at the time of our declaration 247 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 3: of Institution, of Independence and Constitution, not all men were free, 248 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: were not free. Most of our founders wanted them to 249 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 3: be free. Two states of South Carolina and Georgia weren't 250 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: willing to give it up. So some people thought it 251 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: was going to die out. But the opposite happened because 252 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: of the for economic reasons. But John Quincy Adams, who was, 253 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: by the way, a man of prayer and sought God, 254 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: he was the voice that went before Congress. We have 255 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: in our constitution the right of petition, right, the right 256 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: to bring the petitions of the people before Congress, and 257 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: he did it. So his life is remarkable, really the 258 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: last Puritan. And I encourage people to just think about that, 259 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: the hand of God as he used that one man 260 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: to bridge these two eras in a very powerful way. 261 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: As you're talking, and especially highlighting people that maybe we 262 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: don't think about all that often. When I read through 263 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: the men that God used mostly men, not all in 264 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: the Old Testament, where it was just in these in 265 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: the various eras, particularly judges, where it says over and 266 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: over again that everybody did what was right in his 267 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: own eyes. And so there was just all this chaos, 268 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: and there would be a generation where the Israelites would 269 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: be oppressed and they would cry out to God, and 270 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: then God would send them a judge, and then the judge, 271 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: but it was like the best he had. These weren't 272 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: perfect people necessarily, and in a lot of cases they 273 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: were really not perfect, but they were just he was 274 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: doing whatever he could. In one case with Samson, who 275 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: was a jerk, he had to actually do it from 276 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: infertility because there was nobody, so he had to actually 277 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: have somebody birthed that he could rise up, so that 278 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: he could he could lead the people. You look at 279 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: Moses who says, send somebody else, I don't want to talk, 280 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: and yet eventually God makes him into the man that 281 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: he needs to be. It's like every generation God uses 282 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: the people who willing, He uses the best he's got 283 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: in that environment. And you're describing people that are like 284 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: these are Yeah, they're they're human, And I feel like 285 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: that's what is coming out a lot in these revisionist 286 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: historical stories where they'll they'll sometimes they're straight out lies, 287 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: but sometimes they'll cherry pick little and nobody's perfect, but 288 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: they're going to just highlight that when we look at 289 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: these are people who are doing everything they could at 290 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: least as much as you know, we can look back 291 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: and say, they're trying to follow God as best they can. 292 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: And look what God can do with a surrendered person 293 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: who is willing to lay down their pride, as you're 294 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: highlighting with John Quincy Adams and follow and do what 295 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: he wants so that he can accomplish his will. He 296 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: can do a great deal with a surrendered vessel. It's amazing. 297 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: You know what that is? That is a critical point 298 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: in life right there that you say, yes, I think 299 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: that's the most important thing that we surrender to God 300 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: because his purpose is or higher, His ways are higher, 301 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: and you're write about that, and he works through the 302 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: messiness of life. Think about how chaotic it would have 303 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: been during the time of the Revolutionary War and they 304 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: didn't have the same kind of communicationally the time of 305 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: the Civil War. And I am always amazed that God 306 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: condescends to work through us. But I also want to 307 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: stress not just the history of this book, but the 308 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: prayer piece of it, because every chapter is history and prayer. 309 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: So in the first chapter that you brought up, for example, 310 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: around the pilgrims and their covenant, in the prayer piece, 311 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: I address covenant. You know, how have you surrendered to God? 312 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: Are you in that covenant relationship? I try to. I try. 313 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: It's my hope and prayer that people would connect with 314 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: God afresh as we celebrate two fifty, that this would 315 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: be meaningful on behalf of the nation and personally, that 316 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: people would draw close to God as they read and 317 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 3: experience these prayers. I put time in there for people 318 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 3: to listen and hear what God is saying, because God 319 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: used so many ordinary people, and we all think we're ordinary, 320 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 3: at least I do know we're ordinary. But God isn't. 321 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: He can use anybody in any way, and he does, 322 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: and our prayers mattered. You know, I say in the 323 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 3: book that you know, many of these famous people were highlighted, 324 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: but behind them were hundreds of thousands of ordinary people 325 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: who were faithful that were just as important to the cause. 326 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 3: And that's all of us. And we cannot underestimate what 327 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: God will do with one surrendered life. That is what 328 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: you're saying, and you are you have hit such an 329 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: important point for us to hear. Hope. I hope your 330 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 3: listeners hear that that their life matters, and as they 331 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: surrender to God, he will use them for this moment 332 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: in time. And every chapter ends with a call to action, 333 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: a call toersonal action, so that we can step into 334 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: whatever God is calling us to do. That act of obedience. 335 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and so pivoting a little bit into the 336 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: subject of prayer as well, you're leading prayer in congregations 337 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: for the nation. All the rest of it tell us 338 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: some of the exciting things that have happened as a 339 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: result of your prayer ministry that you've seen. 340 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: I will say this book is one of them. Yeah, that, 341 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: and let me explain that. And I've been thinking about that. 342 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 3: And to answer that question, I would say, do not 343 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: despise the day of small beginnings. Yes, I've been involved 344 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: in some national prayer things, certainly local prayer things, but 345 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: I would say the prayer that contributed most to this 346 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: was my daily prayer call, which is a personal thing. 347 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 3: It's about ten or twelve people women. We pray every 348 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: morning at seven thirty, from seven thirty to eight. Back 349 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: in November of twenty twenty, God said it's wrong. Back then, 350 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: what said prayer start a daily prayer call for the nation. 351 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: And I thought, how you know? And so zoom got 352 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 3: a zoom And we don't look to our faces at 353 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: this point. But we have not missed a day as 354 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: a group, not Christmas, not Easter, not a Saturday or 355 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: of a Sunday. I'm going to tell you that as 356 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: I look back, it felt like such a small thing, right, 357 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: But we've seen family prayers answered. We've seen prayers that 358 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: we've so many prayers for the nation answered. And I 359 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: know that we weren't the only group. There were hunts, thousand, 360 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 3: millions of people, but we're a part of that. We've 361 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: seen reconciliation in families. He's touched our hearts. You know. 362 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: Anytime we come into the presence of God and really surrender, 363 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: as you've said, he will move on our own hearts 364 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: and shape us into the people that He's created us 365 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: to be. So I would say in terms of the 366 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: greatest things about prayer is God's faithfulness and responding to us, 367 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 3: and we just need to persevere. We need to persevere 368 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: with God. We need to persevere in prayer and understand that, 369 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: in my opinion, it happens at the prayer level whatever 370 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: we're praying for, because God responds and he controls the world. Right. 371 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: So this book is hopefully going to inspire people to 372 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: understand that we have incredible agency to come before the 373 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 3: throne of God. First seek him, hear from him more importantly, 374 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: and then act on what he calls us to do. 375 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: That surrender, and there's no limit, there's no limit to 376 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 3: what He can do through us surrender people absolutely. 377 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: And I also like the fact that you're describing as 378 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: you're keeping track of the things that you're asking him for, 379 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: You're keeping track of his answers, which of course is 380 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 2: going to inspire you to ask for more because you 381 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: recognize there is agency here. And I think so often 382 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: a lot of times believers can get tired, they feel 383 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: like this isn't really doing anything. But largely I think 384 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: that's because if you don't see an immediate cause and effect. 385 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: And sometimes happens where you pray for something and it 386 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: happens right away, but not usually there's usually a lot 387 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: the period where you know it takes a little while, 388 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: and if you forgot that you asked for something, you're 389 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: not going to give thanks when you see the answer, 390 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: and it's not going to build your faith. But if 391 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: you keep track and you see here's how God has 392 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: been faithful, it will remind you that there is power 393 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 2: and there is an interaction between you and God. 394 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: Yes, and when we pray, we pray I mean and 395 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: then the book, and what I recommend is to pray 396 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 3: from the scriptures. Yes, this book prays from the history, 397 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: but we have to align ourselves with God's will, and 398 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: we learn that in the scriptures. So this book is 399 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 3: packed with scriptures because I believe that's that's how God's 400 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: called us to know him intimately, to his word and 401 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: to cry out to him. And it's exciting. It's really 402 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: exciting to see what God does in us as we 403 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: come before Him. And I'm praying that that's what happens 404 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: as we celebrate America two fifty. We put first things 405 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 3: first and celebrate God first. And yes, let's do everything, 406 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: the fireworks, the parades, the parties, but let's just put 407 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 3: God at the center of it. 408 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: Right absolutely. I also want to highlight something else you 409 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: mentioned there, of stopping and pausing and letting God talk back. 410 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: So can you talk a little bit about the importance 411 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: of that and why that needs to be a part 412 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: of our prayer lives. 413 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: Yes, because unless we hear from Him, we won't know 414 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: what to do next. I mean, that's pretty simple, but 415 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: that's the way I look at it. And let me 416 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 3: give you a personal example referring to this book. So, 417 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: as I told you, I have had these prayer outlines 418 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 3: for a few years and had thought maybe they would 419 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: be part of a book God, and I really didn't 420 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: want to write a book unless it was from God, 421 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: something that would honor God. I mean, something about me 422 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 3: wouldn't have been that interesting. Let me just tell you 423 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: that's the truth. But so I just waited. I sat 424 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: on it. It did not feel comfortable. Sometimes we are 425 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 3: very uncomfortable in the waiting. And this past May, I 426 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: was having dinner with a friend who has written couple 427 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: of books, and I said, I think I might have 428 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 3: a book in me and he said, you should go 429 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: to this conference. And as I walked out of that dinner, 430 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: I sens the Spirit speaking to me in that inner voice. 431 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: I am opening a door for you. And that's scripture. 432 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: I have put before you an open door. He didn't 433 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: say it that way. He said it, I am opening 434 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 3: a door for you. Really, I knew it was God 435 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 3: because I'd been in his word. I knew that word. 436 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 3: I walked with him, and sure enough, you know, he 437 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: put everything in place to bring this book out. Yeah, 438 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: in a recordly, in a record short amount of time, 439 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 3: I have to add. Yeah. 440 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and at this two hundred and fifty milestone 441 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: for people to come back in prayer and rededicate ourselves 442 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: individually and as a nation to God, what do you anticipate, 443 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: what do you look forward to being able to see 444 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: in our culture as a result of this, If we 445 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: will come back to the Lord and do that. 446 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 3: Well, we've seen it in history. What happens. Let's just 447 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: take something that's not in my book, which is the 448 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 3: nineteen oh four Welsh Revival. This is just a very 449 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: uh this is a very clear picture of what God 450 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: can do. So when there was a revival in Wales 451 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 3: and God got at one hundred thousand people in six months, 452 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: do you know what happened? The police had no work 453 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: to do. They started quartets and they went around and 454 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: they say that church, I know, how cute, but how 455 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 3: powerful that lives were changed. You know, people's families were 456 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 3: put back together. And that is what God can do. 457 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: God will bring wholeness. That's your whole purpose, right, wholeness. 458 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 3: He'll bring that spiritual side of wholeness to us. He 459 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: will reconcile families, he will set people free from all 460 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 3: sorts of things. God said that he has come. Christ 461 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 3: came to give us life and to give it to 462 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 3: us abundantly, and when we return to him, that's what happens. 463 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: So He will bring new life to the Church. He 464 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 3: will bring in so those those relationships that are dead 465 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 3: or floundering with God, they'll have invigorated. And he will 466 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 3: bring new people into the Kingdom with purposes for them, 467 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: and he will give our nation new life. I think 468 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: he will set us on our right path if we 469 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 3: will return to Him. And I'm not saying that that 470 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: doesn't come without challenge or difficulty. We've seen that in 471 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 3: every in every part of history. But we have seen 472 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: God's faithfulness. He never changes, thankfully, never changes. So I 473 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: have great hope for the nation if we turn back 474 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: to God. And this moment in time is when everybody 475 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: is looking at America, They're looking at our history, they're 476 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: looking at what our future might be like. And this 477 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: is this is a perfect time to set us on 478 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: the right path with God. 479 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: And going back to something you said earlier in this 480 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: conversation about the first and the second Great Awakenings, Interestingly, 481 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 2: they both happened at really pivotal time. So as we turned, 482 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: as you mentioned the first grade awakening before the Revolutionary War, 483 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: this sets us up for unity. It started with seeking 484 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 2: Him like that, the seek first the Kingdom of God, 485 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: and then all these things will be out of you. 486 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: So there's this alignment with him, and then he orders 487 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 2: everything else below it. So if we put the right 488 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: things in order, then he's going to set us up. 489 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: That was the setup that led to us becoming a 490 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: nation in the first place. And then the second grade Awakening. 491 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about that, like how 492 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: that was a setup. 493 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 3: Yes, it was entirely different than the first grade awakening. 494 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 3: First awakening was really it revolved. It preceded the coming 495 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: together and forming a nation. But in the second grade Awakening, 496 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 3: we see America. A lot of different things going on 497 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 3: in America, this big push westwood westward right to expand 498 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: the nation. We see cities and we still have slavery 499 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: going on in the South, and so we see God 500 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: moving in a different way. The circuit riders pushed west 501 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: and shared the gospel. A whole abolitionist movement arose. God 502 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: raised up great preachers like Charles Finney to preach Christianity 503 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: across the nation. So the tent meetings and the revival 504 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 3: meetings that happened to draw people back to God. And 505 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: then eighteen fifty seven there was a revival of prayer 506 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 3: in New York City with Jeremiah landfear, and he started. 507 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 3: This is another one of those don't despise the day 508 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: of small beginnings for those of you who loved prey, 509 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: because he's started by himself and then just a handful 510 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: of people in New York City, and it grew until 511 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 3: a million people were saved across the nation. And we 512 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: see out of this second gradation awakening the missionary movement 513 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 3: being formed in America and sending people out, which was 514 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: I would like to remind everybody part of the initial 515 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: hope of the Pilgrims and the Puritans that we would 516 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: be the light, that we would spread Christianity, evangelism. Jesus 517 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: is in our DNA, Evangelism is in our DNA. And 518 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 3: the missionary movement came out of that second grade awakening, 519 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: and then of course the fraying of the slaves. So 520 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: we see God in those critical moments calling us back, 521 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: and as we respond yes to him, he moves and 522 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 3: does just what you said, orders our steps. 523 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I love it very cool. So right now, also 524 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 2: this is a time where especially the younger generations are 525 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: struggling with anxiety. To a great degree, God is being 526 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: taken out of schools. A lot of the description of 527 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: how God has moved throughout history is no longer there, 528 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: and we're also being taught evolution on top of it. 529 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: How do you see this coming back to God being 530 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: a solution for a lot of the angst that we 531 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: see today. 532 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: You know, I would like to use the personal example 533 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: of my prayer group to talk about that, because I 534 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: was we were just praying about this this morning. You know, 535 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 3: we've been through and incredibly difficult, not just physically but 536 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: psychologically difficult five or six years, right COVID All that's 537 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 3: gone on in the nation, the division, the violence, and 538 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: when we look at what it's caused and a lot 539 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: of people, it has been tremendous anxiety. Some people have 540 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: just been listening to voices that have taken them away 541 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: off course. But I said to my friends on this call, 542 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: you know, God has preserved us. None of us has 543 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: gone crazy, none of us is feeling terribly anxious. That 544 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: It does not mean that we don't have trials like 545 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: everyone else. We've got significant trials. But I just want 546 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 3: to encourage people that as we draw near to Him, 547 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: he works in us. He tells us so many times 548 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 3: in scripture, fear not, fear not. I am with you. 549 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: Fear not. I will never forsake you. I will help you, 550 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: I will hold your right hand. I mean, there are 551 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 3: so many promises in the scriptures, and I love that 552 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 3: about God. He gives us promises, and he keeps his 553 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: promises to us, and he wants us to have an 554 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: abundant life. You know, the Bible says, be anxious for nothing, 555 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: but in everything, with prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving your 556 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: requests known to God. And then what does he say. 557 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: He says something that really is an incredible promise. Then 558 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: the peace of God, which passes all understanding, will guard 559 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: your heart and mind through Christ Jesus. That's his promise. 560 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: That's that's a promise of health and wholeness. 561 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: Isn't it true? Absolutely? Yeah? 562 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: And so I would say to whenever, and we're all 563 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 3: tempted to be anxious, come on, that's true. We're all 564 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: tempted to be fearful because we face things in this world. 565 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 3: We will have tribulation. But let's just take a minute 566 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 3: and turn turn it over to God. And they did that. 567 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: There was a lot of prayer in these times in 568 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: our history where we were facing this, you know, division 569 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 3: and uncertainty and even excess uncertainty. I mean, slavery threatened 570 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 3: to destroy this nation twice at the time of the 571 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: writing of the Constitution and at the Civil War. But 572 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: God intervened and he kept us together. So I think 573 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 3: that turning to God is really the first thing we do, 574 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: and we do that in scripture, we do that with prayer, 575 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: We do that in fellowship with others, which is why 576 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: we can't be separated from each other. We need each other. 577 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 3: You know, we are family, right, we are the people 578 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: of God. And I don't know, I have hope. I 579 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 3: love talking about this because the more I talk about God, 580 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: the more hope I have. 581 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely for sure. What have I not asked you that 582 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: you want to make sure you lead with our audience. 583 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about a lot of wonderful things here. 584 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: I think what I would like to say to your 585 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 3: audience is that as you, if you read the book 586 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 3: and you engage with it, really take time to sit 587 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 3: before the Lord through those prayers. They're not meant to 588 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 3: be the end all. They're meant to be a starting 589 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: point for you just draw closer to God. Because one 590 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: of the other goals of this book is that every 591 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: reader would encounter God and draw closer to Him and 592 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 3: have the hope that He promises all of us. So 593 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: I would say that to your listeners. 594 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: Awesome, would you lead us in a quick prayer for 595 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: our listeners and for our nation? 596 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 3: Yes, Lord, we are so grateful that you truly have 597 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 3: founded this nation. We could have been born in another 598 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: time and place, but you have created each one of 599 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 3: us for such a time as this. I pray Lord 600 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: that you would bless each one listening to this conversation, 601 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: that you would draw them, and Lord, we'd pray that 602 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 3: America will turn back to you and acknowledge you as 603 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: our true founder in Jesus' name. 604 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, awesome. Where can people go to learn more 605 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: about you and to pick up a copy of the book. 606 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: Well, there's a website, Godourfounder dot com, so they can 607 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 3: go there. The book is available on Amazon of course, 608 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: easy for everyone. Are also from Redemption Press, my publisher. 609 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: Thank you for asking links to that in this show notes, 610 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: and thank you so much, Cynthia. This has been really inspiring. 611 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: It's been really fun to be with you. Thank you absolutely. 612 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Christian Natural Health. This show is 613 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: run by you, So please write in with topic and 614 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: guest suggestions for future shows. 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