1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Welcome to the Love Offering Podcast. I am 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: your host, Rachel Adam's, author of every Day Prayers for Love, 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Learning to Love God, others, and even yourself. Each week 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: we dive into meaningful conversations about how to live out 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: the greatest commandment, loving God with all of our heart's soul, 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: mind and strength, and loving our neighbors as ourselves, whether 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: through inspiring stories, practical wisdom, or biblical truth. My hope 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: is to encourage you to love boldly, live faithfully, and 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: reflect God's love in your everyday life. Today, I'm honored 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: to welcome Shleeen Roberts to the show. Shaleen is the 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: author of When Mothering Is Hard and No One Sees 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Where gritty meets Glorious in God's Eternal Plan for Moms. 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: What began as a heartfelt blog post written in the 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: trenches of early motherhood has now become a message resonating 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: with hundreds of thousands of women. In this honest and 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: hopeful book, Shalen speaks to the quiet, unseen moments of motherhood, 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: the ones that can feel exhausting, overwhelming, and unnoticed, and 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: reminds us that God sees it all and is working 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: through it for eternal impact. Well, hello Jelene, and welcome 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: to the Love Offering Podcast. I'm so happy to have. 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: You, Rachel. I'm so glad to be here. Thank you 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: so much for having me. 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: So your book was born out of a deeply personal 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: and vulnerable moment in your own motherhood journey. So can 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: you take us back to that time and share what 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: led you to write those original words. 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll give you just a little bit of context. 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: May My husband and I have five children. So my 29 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: oldest is a boy, he's eighteen, and then we have 30 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: four girls fifteen, thirteen, ten, and eight. We had just 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 2: had our third child, and I was still in those 32 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: early early years of having a newborn. And then I 33 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: also had two older children, but I had three under five, 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: and you know, it's just it's a very busy time, 35 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: your sleep deprived. Things are messy, kind of chaotic, and 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: it's so beautiful and it's so incredible, but it's also 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: very demanding physically on your time and on your body 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: and on your mind. It just just have to pour 39 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: out a lot. And so I was in a moment 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: where I was probably sinking into a little bit honestly 41 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: of postpartum depression, and I just kind of cried out 42 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: to the Lord and was like, Lord, show me the 43 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: meaning and all of this. I know I feel at 44 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: the core of my soul. I feel that this. I 45 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: know that this matters, not just for today that I 46 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: know it matters for generations and ultimately for eternity. But 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: it's really hard for me to see it right now, 48 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: and it's really hard for me to feel it. And 49 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: so I just cried out to the Lord and he 50 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: led me to the passage in Genesis where Hagar is 51 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: banished out into the desert and she's out there and 52 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: she's just sobbing, she's in anguish, and she just prays 53 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: to the Lord and he reveals his name to her 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: as being Elroy, the God who sees, and he told Hagar, 55 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: I see you, I see you even now. And the 56 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: Lord in that moment just revealed to me he's the 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: God who sees. He sees me even when the world 58 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: may not see everything that I'm doing. God sees every 59 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: single moment of sacrifice that I'm pouring out my children. 60 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: And so I pulled out the notepad app on my 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: phone and I just kind of poured it out. It 62 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: wasn't a very Paul post. And then I was blogging 63 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: at the time on a blog called Faith and Composition. 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: I posted it and did not expect the response that 65 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: I got. I mean that being it just took off. 66 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: I remember standing in the grocery store line. My cart 67 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: was like overflowing with baby food pouches, and I checked 68 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: the stats. This was when a lot of us were 69 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: blogging on word on a WordPress, and I checked the 70 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: stats and it had like one hundred and fifty two 71 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: hundred thousand use and my job just hit the floor 72 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: because I realized in that moment, I was not alone 73 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: what I was feeling, and that moment in my bedroom 74 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: where I felt like nobody sees, nobody understands, I was 75 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: not alone. There were hundreds of thousands, millions of women 76 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: across the world who were feeling the same thing, and 77 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: they needed the same encouragement that the Lord had given me. 78 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: So the book was actually born out of that blog post. 79 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: That blog post was also called when Mothering Is Hard 80 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: Anue Sees, And so the book is born out of 81 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: that post well. 82 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: And it does just go to show you how many 83 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: women are in the exact liame, same place and can 84 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: empathize with that feeling. It's funny you talk about Hagar 85 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: because I was just watching The Faithful. It's a new 86 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: series kind of like The Chosen. Yeah, And I just 87 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: watched just yesterday about Hagar and him seeing God seeing 88 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: her in this desperate place, and so I feel like 89 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: it's something that God is continuing to speak to my 90 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: heart on. And so I can't wait to continue today's conversation. 91 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: But we're going to take a brief break to hear 92 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: a word from today's sponsor, and when we come back, 93 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the unseen struggles of motherhood and why 94 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: so many women resonate with this message. Welcome back. I'm 95 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: talking with Selene Roberts about her book When Mothering is 96 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: Hard and no one sees so Selene, so many moms 97 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: feel unseen and underappreciated in the day to day work 98 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: of caring for their children. Why do you think this 99 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: feeling is so common in motherhood. 100 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: I think our society tends to tell women that we 101 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: measure our worth by our accomplishments, and so we are 102 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: told to go to college, get a degree, can beach 103 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: to society, have a job, all of those things that 104 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 2: are measurable are allotted and applauded. The things that are 105 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: not measurable and are unseen typically don't get noticed by 106 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: society and sometimes don't even get noticed maybe by friends 107 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: or family. What you do in the moments of your home, 108 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: when you're constantly sacrificing and pouring out and serving the 109 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: needs of your family are very private and they don't 110 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: get seen. And also, when your children are young, we're 111 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: planting seeds, we're not really harvesting. We're not seeing the 112 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: fruits of the seeds that we plant. So when you 113 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 2: have little children at home and you're constantly planting those seeds, 114 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: it's hard to see the harvest that's coming, and so 115 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: you can feel underappreciated or undervalued. That is a common 116 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: feeling for women, for sure. I mean I, prior to 117 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: staying home with my children, I was a magazine editor, 118 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: and so I had found so much value and so 119 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: much worse in my work. And seeing my name in 120 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: print and seeing my picture the letter from the editor's 121 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: page and all of these accomplishments that I was applauded for, 122 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: it was easy for me to try to find my 123 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: work than that, And so motherhood so much of motherhood 124 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: is done in the unseen space, and it's hard if 125 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: you're used to finding your value and your worth and 126 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: accomplishments that are publicly noticed. It's really hard to make 127 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: that shift. But what I've learned is that God sees 128 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: it all. We already talked about that he sees everything. 129 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: But also there is a very real reward coming for 130 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: us because and we can get into this a little 131 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 2: bit more, but our mission as Bible believing, Gospel centered 132 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: moms is to raise disciples who will go out and 133 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: tell the world about the grace of Christ. The world 134 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: is desperate and hurting to know the good news of 135 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: the Gospel, and our roles believing moms is to be 136 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: go and tell moms. We are called to raise up 137 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: a generation of disciples who are going to go out 138 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: and tell the world that kind of work. We may 139 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: not even see the fruit of that work this side 140 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: of heaven. It may not be seen until we're face 141 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: to face with Christ, but it is a but it 142 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 2: is a work that is immeasurable and invaluable. We just 143 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: have to have a shift to be able to see that, 144 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: and so many times we can't see it out of 145 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: our own sheer will or just by convincing ourselves. We 146 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: actually have to take it to the Lord and just pray, God, 147 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: open my eyes, help me to see the value of 148 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: this role. Help me to see what I'm doing in 149 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: these unseen spaces, in these small moments. Help me to 150 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: see how I'm serving you and how I really am 151 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: laying the foundation and planting seeds that are going to 152 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: bear fruit years from now, generations from now into eternity. 153 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: You know, I've been studying the genealogy of Jesus, which 154 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: sounds kind of strange. In Matthew one and there are 155 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: five women that are listed, and it's Timar, Ruth RAI 156 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: have Bethsheba and Mary, and I just love thinking about 157 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: them as mothers and just even just their the life 158 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: that they all live. None of them were perfect, but 159 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: they were faithful and do they have any They probably do, 160 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: but they probably at the moment had no idea the 161 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: lasting impact and that they were going to be in 162 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: the lineage of Jesus. You know, it's just so beautiful 163 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: to think how God is molding our stories in this 164 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: unseen work. But then like the impact in the future 165 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: harvest that's going to result. I think we're all going 166 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: to be blown away when we see it all one day. 167 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: I think so too. I really do think as moms, 168 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: there's going to be a time when we're on the 169 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: other side of heaven. I think we're going to meet 170 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: people who come up to us and say, you don't 171 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: know me, but I'm here because your son told his daughter, 172 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: who told her daughter, who told her son, who told 173 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: his son about Jesus. And so there's this thread that 174 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: gets woven. And we have been purpose and intention to 175 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: play a role in that. And it is a privilege 176 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: that we should not take lightly. But society and the 177 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: enemy doesn't want you to see that. The enemy wants 178 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: you to get bogged down into here in the now 179 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: and to measure your worth by society standards. And so 180 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: it is a spiritual battle. We have to pray that 181 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: the Lord would open our eyes to see his truth 182 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: and his reality and his purpose and intention for motherhood, 183 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: because only then with hit, when he gives us the 184 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: eyes to see, and when we begin to be transformed 185 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: by the renewion of our mind because of the Holy 186 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: Spirit at work within us, that's when we can start 187 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: to see how gospel centered motherhood will ripple throughout the ages. 188 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were talking about when your kids are young 189 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 1: and planning the seeds and not seeing like real results 190 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: over years and years and years. Well, so, just my 191 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: son plays baseball, and this other baseball dad texted my 192 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: husband and said, I just wanted to let you know 193 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: what a wonderful son that you have raised. He's always 194 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: so respectful and he carries himself so well, and it's 195 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: noticeable by me and everybody else watching. And it just 196 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: even now just sharing that, it's like, oh, I'm so 197 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: proud of my son. When you hear somebody else's comment, 198 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: and they'll do the same thing about my daughter some too, 199 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: But that was just seemed more fresh to bring up 200 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: to you. But I think it's in those moments you're like, Okay, 201 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: everything we're trying to instill, it's working, and I'm so 202 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: happy about that. And then I was just thinking, did 203 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: you just post something on Instagram about your son playing 204 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: baseball at the very last Oh my gosh, I cried, 205 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I got so my son is, he's 206 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: a sophomore and we're right in the middle of baseball 207 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: season and all the things, and I'm like, that last moment, 208 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: tell us about that that. I just feel like that 209 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: was such an important Yes, I love, I will. 210 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: So my son has played baseball since he was probably 211 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: three now. Yeah, so he's a senior and every single 212 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: spring we have spent along the sidelines of a baseball 213 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: field and he has been out there under the Texas 214 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: sun and red dirt every spring. That has been part 215 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: of our lives. You just, oh, my gosh. Mom's of 216 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: seniors totally understand this. You don't realize how quickly it 217 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: goes until you are staring down those lasts and then 218 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: suddenly you wonder where did all of the time go. 219 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: It really does, people, I know people tell you it 220 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: goes by in the blink of an eye. That it 221 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 2: really does. It goes by in the blink of an eye. 222 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: So if you were in those younger years, I know 223 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: they're hard, but also just soak it in because it 224 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: goes by so quickly. But so we it was playoffs. 225 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: We were in district playoffs and we had to go 226 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: to Dallas through the game. So we went out to 227 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: Dallas and we actually it was two to one, so 228 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: we were up by one in the fifth inning and 229 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: we got rain delaid. So we get rain delaid and 230 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: then the game ended up being postponed till the next day, 231 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: so we all had to go home and then come 232 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: back the next day. And I should also prep I 233 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: should tell you they actually had zero they had zero 234 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: outs and they had all bases loaded. So we come 235 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: back and we had to start that game in the 236 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: fifth inning by one that they had bases loaded, no outs, 237 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: and they ended up getting two runs that inning, and 238 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: so we placed seven innings, so we had one more 239 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: inning to play that we start batting, they get we 240 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: get two outs, and the batting lineup just so happened 241 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: to fall to my son, and so he goes up 242 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: and I knew I'm gonna get emotional. I knew in 243 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: that moment I was probably watching his bair you last 244 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: time at that And so it just I mean, you 245 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: watch your kid in sports, or even if it's not sports, 246 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: maybe it's drama or just academics. You watch them grow 247 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 2: and you begin to watch them really prosper in advance 248 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: and grow into the person that God's creating them to be. 249 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 2: You do you see the fruits of your labor, And 250 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: it's just so moving. He stepped up to the bat 251 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: and he swung and he got a strike, and then 252 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: he tapped the base and he looked at that picture 253 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: and he swung and he hit a line drive and 254 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: his foot touched that first base literally a fraction of 255 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: a second after the first baseman caught the ball, and 256 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: I knew I had just seen his last time at 257 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: that to play baseball. And I asked him later because 258 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: I thought the weight of the world hung on his shoulders. 259 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: He was the last bat of his senior year in 260 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: playoff games, and I asked him later, I said, what 261 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: was that like? To I said, you had so much pressure? 262 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: What was that like? And he said, Mom, I wouldn't 263 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: have one it any other way, He said, I would 264 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: not have wanted a younger kid to have had to 265 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: have stepped into that. And it just blew me away 266 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: because I thought he has become such a wise leader, 267 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: and if he had been in that position a couple 268 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: of years ago, would have absolutely qushed him. But God 269 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: has been developing this young man of Christ who stepped 270 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: into a really hard position and led so well in 271 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: that and it was really hard, but it was also 272 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: it was just such a beautiful experience. So yeah, that's 273 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: my that's my baseball story. 274 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: Well from one baseball mom to another, I'm all deary man, 275 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: my son still about two years to play, and I'm 276 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: already crying. 277 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: I know, it just goes by so fast. 278 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: No, we just want our kids to be so happy 279 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: and successful, and you know, like all the things and 280 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: maked decisions and that the reality is all of their 281 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: decisions do matter so much. I mean, all of ours do, 282 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: but I think especially in those teenage college years, it's 283 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: like their consequences can be so heavy. Yeah, and we 284 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: just want them to be all that God wants them 285 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: to be. You know, it's likely. And my daughter, she 286 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: was just proud of her too. She just went to 287 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: Atlanta for a national Decca competition and we live in 288 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: this pretty small town in Kentucky, and she was just 289 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: coming back saying, like, well, there were sixty thousand students 290 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: from all over the country and it was just so 291 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: neat I got to meet people from all these different 292 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: states and just seeing God implant new dreams into her 293 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: heart and show her where she's gifted. And I just 294 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: can see I can see him at work, and it's 295 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: so exciting as a mom to sit and witness that. 296 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: And my children are so different and so gifted. And 297 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: to try to encourage them and each of their different 298 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: giftings and be proud of them because many of the 299 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: things that my son does are you know, it's like 300 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: sports related and every like you were saying, everybody like 301 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: applauds those kind of things. But then they also get 302 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: their identity in that, and then when that tries away, 303 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: that's a whole thing. So too talked to us about 304 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: like balancing your children's needs and desires and gifts and 305 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: seeing them, yeah, who they really are and what God 306 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: wants them to be. 307 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so hard because I think sometimes we you know, 308 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: as a mom of five, all five of my children 309 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: have different personalities. They all have very different giftings. My 310 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: son is very athletic, He's a natural leader. He actually 311 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: just preached last night at youth. So our church does this. 312 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: They call it yearbook, so the seniors get a chance 313 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: to preach a message if they went and he preached. 314 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: I did not read his sermon before he presented it, 315 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: preached it, and so we went in last night not 316 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: knowing what to expect, and he, I mean, he hit 317 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: it out of the park. My husband and I were 318 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: just like, what in the world, where did that come from. 319 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: And then my second born and my daughter, she's super 320 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: athletic too. She is a natural born leader. I think 321 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: because she's the oldest of the four girls, she naturally 322 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: just has first born characteristics. And then my middle is 323 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: so artistic. I mean she has he can just take 324 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: a piece of paper and see something and do a 325 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: pencil sketch and it's frameworthy. I mean it's absolutely beautiful. 326 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: And then a younger too, I'm still kind of figuring out, 327 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: you know, what are it because they're ten and eight, 328 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: so what are their giftings? My ten year old loves 329 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: sports as well. She loves soccer, she's going to try 330 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: volleyball next year. And then the youngest, the eight year old, 331 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: is still fiery and still trying to figure out, you know, 332 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: what is her place and our family. But I do 333 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: think it's so important that we have to understand that 334 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: God has very uniquely gifted each of our children, and 335 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: they're not ours, they are ultimately his, and our plans 336 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: are not necessarily his plans for them. God has very good, 337 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: specific plans for our children, and so we just have 338 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: to you ask. We're going to talk about an element 339 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: of love at the end. So I don't want to 340 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: get into that su much right now. But you have 341 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: to hold your children with an open hand, and you 342 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: just have to understand that God has given us them 343 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: for a moment to steward, and really, in the scheme 344 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: of eternity, it is just a moment, but we get 345 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: to steward these little people and these personalities and these souls. 346 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 2: But ultimately they are the words, and so trying to 347 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: hold them, trying to give them roots but at the 348 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: same time helping them to grow wings is a really 349 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: beautiful thing. But it's also a really hard tension. So 350 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: I don't know that I have any wisdom to give 351 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: in that because I'm still trying to figure it out 352 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: myself that you just have to rely on the Lord. 353 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm just still trying to figure it out 354 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: myself too. Every season is so new and like we've 355 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: never done it before. You know that is right, this 356 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: is there's grace for that for sure. 357 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: Yes, it's why we you the Holy Spirit. We absolutely 358 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: have to invite the Holy Spirit to partner with us 359 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 2: because we cannot do it on our own. We are 360 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: completely incapable. 361 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: Well, you know you're right about the gritty meets glorious 362 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: nature of motherhood. So what does that phrase mean to you? 363 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: And how have you seen both of those realities play 364 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: out in your own life. 365 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, so much of just the day to day 366 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: motherhood could feel gritty at times. You know, there's just 367 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: so much to do. You are pouring yourself out, and 368 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 2: a lot of times we're pouring from an empty well. 369 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: We might be sleep deprived, we might be mentally exhausted, 370 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: we might be socially overstimulated. We have a thousand different 371 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: things on our to do list and we're trying to 372 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: check things off, and we're also trying to make sure 373 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: everybody's fed and where they need to be, you know, 374 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: the right place and the right time. There's just so 375 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: much to manage, and so the everyday demands of motherhood 376 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: can feel pretty, really pretty. But when we have the 377 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 2: eyes to see motherhood through God's purpose, purpose and intention 378 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: for motherhood, our view and our understanding of motherhood shifts 379 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: from that gritty into the glorious. And so it's really 380 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: been over the past fifteen years that God has been 381 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: so faithful to show me that and to show me 382 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: that He will meet us right where we are and 383 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: even when we're in the midst of the gritty. You 384 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: may be at your saints doing dishes, or you may 385 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: be doing tuck in, or you may be in carpool life. 386 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: That is the moment to invite Christ to come into 387 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: your home and the Holy Spirit to dwell within your 388 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: house so that you can be a reflection of the 389 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: goodness of the grace of Christ to your family. And 390 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: so we get the opportunity to invite Christ and his 391 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: teking them to crash into our reality. You are not 392 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: Nothing that we do is temporal, Nothing that we do 393 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: is secular. Everything is sacred. When we invite Christ to 394 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: join us, and he's always here as believers, he's always 395 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: with us. But when we make an effort to invite 396 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: him and to notice his presence, it radically transforms everything 397 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: about our day and everything about our motherhood and the 398 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: way we interact with our children and stewart our rule 399 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: of motherhood. 400 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: So clearly, you're really busy five children and you're doing, 401 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: you know, all the things that we've just talked about. 402 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: So how do you make time for you and make 403 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: time to spend with the Lord. What does that look 404 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: like for you? 405 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it changes from season to season. I have 406 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: had seasons where I have been able to do an 407 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: in depth Priscilla Shire or a Bethmore study. There have 408 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: been seasons like that. Right now, my son's graduating, I'm 409 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: on I'm doing the book launch for doing all the 410 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: last senior things. My younger four still have demands. So honestly, 411 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: right now, it's like I'm reading a couple of different books. 412 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: Have a Bible in my kitchen, so I might be 413 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: grabbing the Psalms and just reading this, reading a Psalm 414 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 2: while I'm cooking dinner. It also is a lot of 415 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: audio Bible, so when I'm in the car, I'm just 416 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 2: spending time listening to passages. You know Tara Lee cobbles 417 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: the Bible recap. Listening to that shoot, I just forgot 418 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: what it's called. Shane and Shane have their what is 419 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: their app called? They have a devotional I don't know 420 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: why I'm blinking on it. It's fantastic. I'll get it 421 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: to you and you can put it in the show. 422 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: Note but that is a fantastic opportunity to just take 423 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: three minutes in the morning to just center yourself on 424 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: the Word and then worship music. We will put worship 425 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: music on in the house and just let it permeate 426 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: every being in every room, and it totally changes. It 427 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: changes the tone of the room and the tone of 428 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: the family. But so those are just practical. But I 429 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: do talk about three disciplines through the book too, and 430 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: those are prayer and then I'm nursing ourselves in the 431 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: Word and rest, And so we get into those a 432 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: little bit in more depth. I really dive into those 433 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: in the book. But even if it's just five minutes 434 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: for you to get away and get on your knees, 435 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 2: that is so powerful. And I'm a firm believer in 436 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: if you're in a car and you send up a 437 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: quick breath prayer, that is powerful too. God's word, our 438 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: prayers are effectual, and so we can affect something within 439 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: the heavenly realms. God will hear us no matter whether 440 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: we're praying for an hour or whether we're praying for 441 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: two minutes. But I have also seen breakthrough happen when 442 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: I'm on my knees. There's something that happens when we 443 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: posture our body before the Lord in submission. And so 444 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 2: when my son was trying to choose colleges, we wrestled 445 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: with this. I mean there were tears and lots of 446 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: conversations and weigh in pros and cons, and I fasted 447 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: and prayed on my knees in his bedroom for him 448 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: that the Lord would give him direction and help him 449 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: to and would guide him to the college that he 450 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: had specifically chosen for him. And something happens when you 451 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: posture yourself into position of submission and humility. And so 452 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: all of the disciplines are powerful. But as a mom, 453 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: if we can find even ten minutes to sneak away 454 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: and pray fervently for the hearts of our children and 455 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: for our families, God is always faithful to answer those prayers. 456 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: Well, okay, so you talked about prayer, you've talked about 457 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: being in the word. Yeah, right, if there's anything else 458 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: you want to add on that, but then talk to 459 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: us about rest. 460 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. So rest is really hard as a mom, I think, well, 461 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: and just women in general, we're doing so much and 462 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 2: so we always feel like we are trying to pursue. 463 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: Maybe sometimes we can think, well, I'll rest when it's 464 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: the next season, or I'll rest when this when these 465 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: sports are over, or all rest on vacation. What the 466 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: Lord has taught me is that Rest isn't something that 467 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: we need to pursue. 468 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: Rest is a. 469 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: Person, and he pursues us. And so Christ tells us 470 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,239 Speaker 2: that he will give us rest. His word tells us 471 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 2: that he will come to me all who are weary, 472 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: and I will give you rest. And so rest isn't 473 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: something that we're supposed to seek. It's actually a gift 474 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 2: to be received. And the person of rest is Jesus himself. 475 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 2: His word also tells us to be still and know 476 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 2: that I am God. And the word be still in 477 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: that verse doesn't necessarily mean like stop fidgeting or stop moving, 478 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 2: just be still, which is so hard to do. It 479 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: actually is an act of releasing all of your expectations 480 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 2: and all of your strivings. It's actually more of a 481 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: mental and emotional rest than it is a physical stillness. 482 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: And so when we can learn to rest in Christ 483 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: and realize that the rest that he provides is the 484 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: rest that we actually need, then we can find rest 485 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: for our souls. Sure we need physical rest, we get exhausted, 486 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: but the rest we so desperately seek and need as 487 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: moms is actually a deep soul rest, and we cannot 488 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: find that in eight hours of sleep or a little 489 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: nap or getting a break from all of that, you know, 490 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: freeing up our calendar. We can't find it in those things. 491 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: While those things are good and proper, the deep soul 492 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: risk that we need is actually found in a person 493 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: of Christ, and so we have to go to him. 494 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 2: And he also gives us the gift of Sabbath. And 495 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: so I actually talk about Sabbath in the book as 496 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: well and how we as a busy family of seven 497 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: incorporate Sabbath. Sabbath is a beautiful gift, and it doesn't 498 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: mean that you have to cease all work, in all 499 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: strivings and sit and do nothing on the Sabbath. That 500 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: is not what New Testament Sabbath means. New Testament Sabbath 501 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: is a gift of grace to be received, and it 502 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: is meant to fill us up and give us rest 503 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: so that we can then go forth into the rest 504 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: of the week and pour out the gift of grace 505 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 2: to others who need it. And I talk about some 506 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: specifics for Sabbath in the book. Yeah, rest is really 507 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 2: hard as moms, but when we realize it's not something 508 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: we need to chase. It's a gift that Christ gives 509 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: us and we just slow ourselves enough to meet with him. 510 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 2: Then we find the deeps well rest that we so 511 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: be craved so desperately. 512 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: We're talking about the God who sees. That just strikes 513 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: me to think about our children are seeing exactly how 514 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: we're living out our faith, and maybe one day we'll 515 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: model that or want to do the exact opposite of 516 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: what we can. Their eyes are watching in ways that 517 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: we don't even realize it. Sometimes, do you think, Oh, 518 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: absolutely yes, And I'm starting to see that now with 519 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: my teens. So I have three teens, thirteen, fifteen, and eighteen, 520 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: and I will just say society gives teenagers such a 521 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: bad wrap. Society speaks so many lies and so much depravity, 522 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: just so much negativity over teens. Teens are incredible. The 523 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: teens I know are compassionate, they're kind, they're respectful, they're driven, 524 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: they're motivated. They want to go out and they want 525 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: to do good and they want to make a difference. 526 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: They're amazing the disciples. When Christ called his disciples and 527 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: said come and follow me, those men were not much 528 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: older than teenagers, and so he was actually calling the 529 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: younger generation. Our teens are capable of so much for 530 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: the kingdom, and we have to be intentional in speaking 531 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: life and purpose over our teens because the society and 532 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: the enemy wants to tell them something that's completely different. So, yes, 533 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: I am seeing some of the things that the Lord 534 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: has taught me. I'm now seeing being seen. My kids 535 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: live that out because it's been modeled in our home. 536 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: But not only that, we have surrounded them with christ 537 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: followers who believe in them and love on them and 538 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: pour out grace and forgiveness to them. So it's also 539 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: not just us. It's iron sharpening iron. They have great 540 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: friends and they have great mentors, and so it definitely 541 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: takes a village. But yeah, absolutely, I'm seeing it being modeled. Good. Well, 542 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: we are going to take another brief break to hear 543 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: a word from a sponsor, and when we come back, 544 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: we'll talk about God's eternal perspective on motherhood and the 545 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: lasting impact of a mother's love. Welcome back. I'm talking 546 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: with Selene Roberts about when mothering is hard and no 547 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: one sees. And so for the woman listening who feels 548 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: really weary, discouraged, or invisible in her role, what truce 549 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: do you hope that she holds onto today. 550 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: I think more than anything, I just want her to 551 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 2: know that she's seen, that she's loved, that she's purposed, 552 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: she's intentioned, and that God has set her apart for 553 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: such a time as He specifically chose her to be 554 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: the mother to her children. No matter how her children 555 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: came to be right, they could have been born to 556 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: her biologically. Maybe she's fostering, maybe she adopted. Maybe the 557 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: woman listening is not even a mom in name, but 558 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: she's mentoring students at her local school or in her neighborhood. 559 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: There's so many children who need a mother figure. And 560 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: so I just want everyone listening to know that God 561 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: has purposed you for this. He's called you to it, 562 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: and although you may not feel capable, that God who's 563 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: called you to it, will equip you for it. He 564 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: has a beautiful mission in the motherhood that began all 565 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: the way back in the Garden of Eden, all the 566 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: way back in Genesis. His eternal plan for mom started 567 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: to unfold with Eave, and it continues to unfold even today. 568 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: And he invites us to partner with him and his 569 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: radical mission to rescue his redeemed people through the role 570 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: that we get to play as moms again, whether that's 571 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: our own children or whether that's children we mentor. And 572 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: so I would just encourage them understand that God has 573 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 2: called you to this high and holy calling for a 574 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: very specific reason. And no, you cannot do it on 575 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: your own, but by the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit, 576 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: you absolutely can do it. Nothing is impossible with God. 577 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: So this season, I've been asking all of my guests, 578 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: is there a biblical concept of love that you think 579 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: applies to this topic today? 580 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, when we look at Christ, obviously 581 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: we see love and the ultimate expression of thought was 582 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: that he gave up his life for us because he 583 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: loves us. And so what I am experiencing right now, 584 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: especially with having a senior, an eighteen year old, getting 585 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: ready to launch my oldest out of the nest and 586 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: onto the university campus, is that holding with an open hand. 587 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: So the biblical concept of love for me is laying 588 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: down my desire, my tendency to want to hold on 589 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: to him and keep him close. I know it's so 590 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: hard when I know, yes, when I know that God 591 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 2: is calling him, you know, he's calling him to a university. 592 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: He made it very, very very clear, and I mean, 593 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: it's going to be I'm going to be a mess 594 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: a day that we drop him off. But I also 595 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: see what God is forming in him, and it's so 596 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: beautiful and it's so exciting. And I know that as 597 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: his mom, I have to hold him with an open hand. 598 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: I have to hold him like this. I cannot try 599 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: to hold onto him because I will crush him. And 600 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: so it's that concept of letting go and laying down. 601 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: And I mean, I've had a lot of conversations with 602 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: the Lord about it, and I've had a lot of 603 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: hours in prayer and I've had a lot of tears 604 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: because it's hard. 605 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: Well, so I'm struggling with that that is so hard 606 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: and so bittersweet that I do think it's this weird 607 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: tension of we are raising our children to be independent 608 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: without us, but it's so so difficult. So good, Okay, 609 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: So tell us something you are living right now. So 610 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm living right now. And I 611 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: guess it's not a thing. It's a movement. 612 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: If you are following gen Z, you may be aware 613 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: of the revival that seems to be happening with that 614 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: younger generation. And so if you had asked me five 615 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: years ago how I felt about sending my son to college. 616 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: I would have said I felt really fearful and afraid, 617 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: just because it was kind of it was sad. Rates 618 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: of depression were so high, rates of suicide or high. 619 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: There was so much anxiety, you know, They've been labeled 620 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: the anxious generation, and so I was really discouraged by 621 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: what I was seeing on college campuses. And just in 622 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: the past couple of years, there has been a shift 623 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: in fact, church trends are showing that for since the 624 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, church attendant in America has been on the decline. 625 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: For the first time, I think it was two years 626 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: ago for the first time, so for the nice church 627 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: attendants and things of interest in things of faith has 628 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: actually trended up into the right. And so we're living 629 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: in a really exciting time right now where God is 630 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: really on the move among the younger generations. And as 631 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: a mom of younger kids who are stepping into that, 632 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: I am so excited. I mean, yes, it's hard, and 633 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 2: yes there is an element of fear, but really I 634 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: am so excited about what God is doing. The Holy 635 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: Spirit really seems to be on the move. Something is 636 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 2: awakening and there does seem to be a revival near 637 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: our kids who they want to step out of They've 638 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: been enslaved to so many different things and they are 639 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: seeking freedom and forgiveness in Christ and it's really encouraging. 640 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: So I guess if that's not a thing necessarily, but 641 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: that is something that I'm loving right now. 642 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, me too. There is definitely a shift happening. Yeah, 643 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: and I'm loving it too. So I know I want 644 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: to stay connected with you or I'm sure listeners are 645 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: going to want to. They're going to want to grab 646 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: a copy of this book. So tell us how we 647 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: can miss you that. 648 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you can visit Shaleen Roberts dot com. So 649 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 2: that's s h A l e n E. Roberts dot com. 650 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm also on socials, so Instagram and Facebook at Shleen 651 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: Robert's blog Thore's are the easiest way to catch me. 652 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: So I would love to connect with everyone. Say, will 653 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: would you do us the honor of praying for us 654 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: as we close today? Absolutely, Dear Lord, we just want 655 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: to come before you and just exalt you and just 656 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: honor you God. I ask that everything that we said 657 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: tonight did honor you, Lord, I asked that if there 658 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: was anything we said that was not of you, that 659 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: you would strike it from the hearer's memory, Lord, and 660 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: that you would help those things that are of you 661 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: to linger in their minds. God, we thank you that 662 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: you are so good, that you love us, that you've 663 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: intentioned us and purposed us as women for the role 664 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: of motherhood. And thank you that you have a design 665 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: for motherhood that is so much beautiful than anything that 666 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: we could fathom, and then it will ripple throughout eternity. 667 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: Thank you for inviting us to partner with you in 668 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: the rescue and redemption of your people. Thank you for 669 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: letting us play a role in that so that we 670 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: can go and tell our children and others, so that 671 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: they too may go and tell to go before us 672 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: today and bless us in your sounday to be pregnant 673 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: and amen. 674 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Today's Thank You episode was especially 675 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: near and dear to Mahart, and you've just encouraged me 676 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: and I'm sure everybody listening in their motherhood journey to 677 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: realize that God sees us and what we're doing is 678 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: really important eternal work. Thank you everyone for listening to 679 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: the Love Offering podcast. I hope today's conversation reminded you 680 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: that even when no one else sees the work you're doing, 681 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: God does, and not only does he see it matters. 682 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: The love you pour out in the everyday moments is 683 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: shaping lives and leaving a legacy that reaches far beyond 684 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: what you can see. If you enjoyed this episode, please 685 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: share it with a friend and leave review. It helps 686 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: others find the show and spreads the message of love 687 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: even further. To connect with me, visit me on my 688 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: website at Rachelkaadams dot com, where you can download the 689 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: Love Always Devotional, a free resource to help you realize 690 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: how beloved you already are. Be sure to check out 691 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: Shalene's book When Mothering Is Hard and No One Sees. 692 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: A special thank you to Life Audio for supporting this 693 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: podcast and making it possible to find more great podcast 694 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: visitlifeaudio dot com. Until next time, let's make our lives 695 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: an offering of love.